virtual-reality

[weak bluff]

facebook marketplace, local craigslists

ebay may be pricey side

[sullen linden]

Gotcha

I’ll look and let you know

[dull tide]

I like the controls of the Knuckles but wish there was an update

For me, Valve hardware is standardized and yet innovative, but lack QC and durability

[sullen linden]

Nothing local so i might just have to do ebay

[sullen linden]

the all like $650 with $100 shipping

[weak bluff]

Quite pricey side of things

Have you consider others like meta quest?

[sullen linden]

Yea i had a quest 2 it broke so i went to a cv1

I might buy a quest 3 ngl

is it possible to pair cv1 controllers with a quest 3?

[weak bluff]

Not conventionally

Not recommended

[sullen linden]

dang it

I love my cv1 controllers

I also might get a HP reverb G2 but i’ve also heard that’s a bad headset

i’ll have to look into it more

[gloomy crater]

I own an HP Reverb G2. It's got good image quality, and it's fairly light, comfortable, and has good audio. Only issues are that the controllers are incredibly bad, and the fact that they're ditching support for Windows Mixed Reality, meaning whether or not the G2 or any other headsets that rely on it will retain functionality is unclear.

[sullen linden]

Ahh i see

I was planning on getting just the headset and index controllers

But idk if that will work

[gloomy crater]

It's possible to do that, but it requires setting up external trackers. It's a bit of a process to do, and the trackers are a fair bit of money, but there are tutorials on how to do it if you wanna see what all needs done to make it happen.

[sullen linden]

Yea i still haven’t fully decided if i will, i still need to pay my dad back for my computer so i’m in no full rush

maybe by then a different steam vr headset will be out

[gloomy crater]

I'm planning on getting a new steamvr headset eventually, since my G2 is probably gonna stop working when they shut off WMR. Two unreleased headsets, the bigscreen beyond and somnium VR1 both supposedly support native steamvr and index controllers out of the box but there may be other headsets out by the time I have to replace mine anyway so I'm just gonna wait and see

[sullen linden]

I heard valve was working on a new headset

Yet that was like 3 years ago

[gloomy crater]

Yeah there have been rumors about that for a long time now. It's most likely true but there's no real way to gauge its development, so it could take years to release

If they ever decide to release it

[sullen linden]

True. I love Vr but i’m not sure if i can wait years so i might just buy a oculus quest 3

my pc can handle it so i’m not worried about any of it

[glacial marten]

beat saber

[amber sleet]

what are your specs

[sullen linden]

In bio

[sullen linden]

just got oculus killer just wanted to double check its doing the right thing, im in steamvr, cant access my oculus menu thing but the meta app is open on my desktop, should it be closed?

[sullen linden]

when i used oculus killer that’s how mine was

[weak bluff]

correct

you cant use oculus menu since its not running

this will make it almost like steamvr native and offload bloat

however, the minimum will be running like controls and tracking

[dim matrix]

MY INDEX!

[grizzled field]

poor index =(

[haughty thistle]

Least damaged Index

[warm stirrup]

Literally

[weak bluff]

Rare review https://youtu.be/tIIWYh601tg

[dull tide]

Feels kninda short but I liked it. Big Screen fells like the best if money was no object but I'd probably use the q3 more. I just hate the process of 'paring' on multiple devices though

[haughty thistle]

I appreciate that they mentioned the compression issue on the Quest. I feel like no one reviewing the Quest or Pico ever mentions it for whatever reason, but it's a legit issue you will notice coming from a PCVR native headset

[weak bluff]

flight sim should be fine with wired too

since you are sitting in place

[rapid otter]

I tend to notice it more and more, especially with a grey background, still not a big enough reason to go wired

[real pasture]

maybe because more people focus on actually enjoy playing the game, in which case compression isnt that big of a deal

ive used steamlink and questlink using my friends quest2 (and on different wifi setups for steamlink), and in all cases the experience was very enjoyable and we werent complaining about some blocky pixels

which is how it should be; to just get lost in the world and have fun

[haughty thistle]

I dunno, for me it always pulls me out of the experience

Especially in darker scenes when instead of actually seeing stuff all I see is an amorphous blob of something with all the details lost in the compression

[rapid otter]

Once you know tech very well everything bothers you lol, you are so much more focused on texture glitches, lod, foveated rendering lighting ect

[soft hound]

The one problem with the Beyond is whatever receiver they're using to connect to the controllers
It repeatedly drops the connection
I have multiple friends with the Beyond, and all of them will suddenly have their arm drop to their side in VRChat, as if the controller died or something, and then it'll suddenly come back a couple of seconds later
It's to the point where they're debating if the headset is worth using

[haughty thistle]

You don't have to use the receivers inside the headset tho

Tho I do agree that this shouödn't be an issue on a $1k headset...

[soft hound]

Well yeah, but then that's more receivers to buy if you don't have any to spare, plus more USB ports needed
For, like you said, a $1K headset
Pretty wack

[little plinth]

I mean it's $1k mostly because it doesn't have mass production assembly line

BSB is not as mass produced as say the quest, driving up non-material cost a lot like labor

The custom light gasket makes it worse

[lofty marsh]

Im planning on getting a pico 4, if i use it for some pcvr then do we think that my rx580 will struggle with it?

[little plinth]

Pico 4 is one of the highest resolution (common) headset around so yes

It will struggle a lot

A lot of optimizations need to be made

And resolution settings will have to be sacrificed

[lofty marsh]

about the only thing i was thinking of pushing from my pc would have been minecraft 1.7.10 in vr

[little plinth]

But it can be made playable

That'll work fine

[lofty marsh]

using vivecraft

and maybe vrchat

[little plinth]

You'll have to use Low resolution settings in the streamer app but it's usable

[lofty marsh]

got it, thanks!

[little plinth]

You'll love the pico 4.
I use it myself

Unless you want the stupid quest 3 exclusives, though idc about them.

[lofty marsh]

what's exclusive to the quest?

[little plinth]

Asgard wrath 2

[lofty marsh]

oh

[little plinth]

That new assassin creed game

And the upcoming batman game

That's about it that i can think of

[lofty marsh]

yeah none of those intrigue me at all

[little plinth]

Beat saber is also exclusive to the quest officially but there are unofficial pico port of beat saber

I play beat saber on my pico without a PC sometimes

Because lower latency

[lofty marsh]

how does that work?

[little plinth]

What work

[lofty marsh]

the unofficial port

[little plinth]

An apk file

It's a grey area close to piracy so I can't provide link

As per LTT community rules

[lofty marsh]

yeah that makes sense

what other games will i be looking at other than beat saber and vrchat?

[little plinth]

You'll be using PCVR right

[lofty marsh]

mostly standalone

PCVR for things that are literally impossible standalone

[little plinth]

VRchat has a pico version officially

[lofty marsh]

and the beat saber port is just as good?

as on say quest?

[little plinth]

I mean it runs the same so i guess

[lofty marsh]

but yeah, just thinking of other games i might want to play. I'm not super familiar with VR games

[little plinth]

Other than the games i mentioned there's a PC version

And pico version

(the batman exclusive one isn't even available on quest 2 so even quest users are screwed)

[lofty marsh]

i've heard the gpu in the quest 3 is about equivalent to a gt750?

[little plinth]

Eh i wouldn't get into equivalence like that

PCVR works differently

[lofty marsh]

oh?

[little plinth]

They're vastly different platforms

Standalone versions have a plethora of optimizations and downgrades

[lofty marsh]

makes sense

[little plinth]

Here are my recommendations for games
They're available in PCVR and Standalone
-Blade and sorcery
-Contractors
PCVR only
-VTOL VR
-Pavlov

[lofty marsh]

thanks! you've been a big help

[little plinth]

Np

There are other games i could recommend but it may or may not run on the Rx580

And they're more like flatscreen games with VR support

Phasmophobia will run on the 580 actually

It's a good horror game

And you can play with flatscreen friends

[dim matrix]

the day after, my index turned into a shitbox

[grizzled field]

Half life: Alyx is great, runs well on my GTX 970 which is very comparable to a 580 (I use a rift cv1 which lower res so if you have lag, just turn down the graphics settings). Job simulator, doesn't have a ton of content, but is super fun and silly, worth it on sale and should run fine on a 580 even at full res. Superhot is a fps where time only moves if you move, its hard but fun and should run well as it isn't very graphically demanding. All of these are PCVR btw. There are also mods for Portal 2 and Half life 2 that add VR support and look pretty good but I haven't tried them.

I really need to upgrade from my Rift Cv1 tho, preferably something inside out tracked, I don't want the added weight of it being a standalone headset. Anyone have suggestions?

Windows phased out WMR tho didn't it? So the Reverb g2 wouldn't be an option?

[little plinth]

Pico 4 is significantly higher res tham cv1

Like significantly
2.5m pixel vs 9.5m pixel

[weak bluff]

if you can hack your way into it wmr can be used beyond otherwise Meta Quest, Pico and HTC have inside out

[little plinth]

So definitely no full ressing on a pico 4 with 580

[weak bluff]

take into account with render res vs display res as well

[little plinth]

VD medium and lower has lower than pico display panel render res

You'll need to use medium to "full res" it (not exactly but close)

Something even my old 3060 struggled on

It'll run fine on low prob

Or very low

[haughty thistle]

HLA is also sortof an exception when it comes to VR games. If your PC is not up to snuff it'll just lower the render res until it does keep up. It's also the only game to my knowledge which completely ignores the render res slider in SteamVR and always goes by the "native" (aka 100%) render res of your headset...
(and job simulator is just a ridicoulusly easy game to run tbh)

Also, I just figured I'd mention this:
The Quest 3 has both a higher resolution and way better lenses then the Pico and isn't all that much more expensive. So if about 200 bucks isn't too much then it does have it's benefits in hardware too (not just in the software). Plus it has a newer SoC and thus can make use of AV1 if your GPU also supports it. Way better compressiomn efficiency compared to even h.265

[vestal pewter]

What would be the best thing to do for me to get adjusted to character movement in VR? I unfortunately get dizzy after only 2-3min of playing and have to stop after 5. Should I just start a game on the quest (since the process of starting a PCVR game takes a few minutes) and move around for a minute and then stop and re-try when I'm no longer dizzy? I feel like even though I'm not trying for that long, I may still be trying for too long. Yesterday I played for a total of 10min with like 3min of the character walking and I still felt a little sick 4h later. I may have inherited that trait from my mum, who can't even go on many roller coasters without throwing up afterwards. Even skiing in fog gets her and also gets me pretty dizzy, but not to the point of throwing up. Static games are perfectly fine however and the reason why I have to stop is my focus being too low and me running out of stamina

[haughty thistle]

Is that only a problem for PCVR or for standalone also?

If it's only on PCVR then it's likely that your setup just happens to have terrible latency. A good mitigation would be to use a USB 3 cable with QuestLink instead of anything wireless.

[vestal pewter]

Happens with both, I have a good cable with latency that I haven't really noticed. I also tried Popuplation: One on the Quest. This game has a lens closing in when you're moving at full speed, but I still feel myself getting worse when looking at it

[haughty thistle]

Either way, don't try to force it. If you get dizzy the best thing to do is to take a break. If you continue it could actually be detrimental in the long term.
One thing that does help for some people is disable smooth locomotion and enable as high of a refreshrate as possible (120Hz and over). If nothing works for you then I fear you might just be incompatible with the existing hardware 😬 (some people just get motion sick no matter what and there's nothing really doable about that currently)

Also lowering graphics settings so that the game actually runs at the target refreshrate is definetly advisable, even if it ends up looking like a PS1 game at 240p...

[vestal pewter]

Alright, I'll try shortening my sessions even more, though I do get a feeling that I may be incompatible with VR movement. I have tried Minecraft in VR, which definitely runs at 120 FPS and I've also checked that 120Hz is enabled both in the Quest settings and also in the Quest link settings on my PC but it still gets me. Teleportation works much better but also gets me at some point

Assetto Corsa surprisingly works, maybe because there are a lot of static elements around?

[haughty thistle]

Just because it's set to run at 120Hz doesn't mean it actually runs at that refreshrate, and reprojections can hide slightly stuttery framerates. If you're unsure whether a game is actually running at a target framerate, use the frametime viewer in SteamVR. It'll sow your the time it takes to render each frame. For 120Hz the target should be 8.3ms or lower

[vestal pewter]

But I can't really play it due to my wheel being the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel released back in 1997. Thanks to its age, the potentiometers in the pedals have gotten so bad that I have to set a 70% deadzone on both the accelerator and the brake pedal. My dad had it originally and I used it back then to play Need for Speed Shift on his PC when I was like 7-10

[haughty thistle]

Possible. The experience is a bit different for everybody, so most is just trial and error and seeing if what worked for others worked for you :/

[vestal pewter]

Can I enable that from the settings in the small SteamVR popup?

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, you have to enable advances settings but there is a toggle to show it in your VR perspective and/or on your desktop

[vestal pewter]

And I'm probably gonna upgrade my GPU because it's too weak for VR Subnautica. I haven't tried it in a while, but I remember the performance being pretty meh even on medium settings. Though I had some doubts if it would be worth it to spend like 700.- on a card that might not get used that much. I'd only get better RT performance and better performance in VR which I may not be able to take advantage of if I can't get adjusted. Though it would also come with a lower power draw and therefore heat output in titles where my card is already close to my monitor's refresh rate

But upgrading my graphics card would be a good incentive to finally approach my RAM problem for hopefully one last time and try the last thing I wanted to do and to also get the power supply out that I used for troubleshooting. I haven't removed it yet because it requires disassembling the entire PC just so that I can reach the CPU power connectors

[thin dragon]

Meta quest 2 worth buying rn or wait for meta quest 3 to drop

Meta quest 3 is so expensive

In my area rn meta quest pro is the same price as it

[grizzled field]

on HL:A the settings will automatically be turned down until it runs well, and Job Sim and Superhot can be run at full res, those games are both not graphically challenging. Saying that you can't full res Job Sim on a 580 is like saying I can't full res DOOM(1993) on pentium graphics, it might be true for every other game, just not that one.

[grizzled field]

Yep, I know my games lol, each of the games I listed I new would be able to run, with the modded flatscreen games being the exception, although I was pretty sure they'd run as HL:2 can run on the weakest of potatoes and Portal isn't super intense either.

[grizzled field]

upgrading your GPU is a good idea, but for Subnautica? Honestly the VR port of that game is so bad it's more immersive to play flatscreen. Maybe there is a mod that makes it better? Idk, fun game tho.

[weak bluff]

If you can wait, there is quest 3 lite or wuest 3s whatever it will be called coming

Quest 3 wont drop price anytime soon

Otherwise quest 2

[grizzled field]

are HTC's inside out headsets any good? I haven't heard much great about them.

[weak bluff]

Actually poor value

Vive Cosmos have tracking issue while XR Elite is good but too expensive

[grizzled field]

I don't want any standalone headsets, a bunch of extra weight for something I'll never use is stupid.

[weak bluff]

There are no good HTC Vive headset that are recommended unless money is no problem

[grizzled field]

the original used is a pretty good deal actually

[weak bluff]

Standalone while comes with issues you wouldn't use will be cheaper than otherwise

Since their price is subsidized

[grizzled field]

I might have to wait for the Deckard, if it ever comes out, because that is standalone I'd actually use.

[weak bluff]

Then you won't be upgrading anytime soon because its long coming

[grizzled field]

yeah, it'd be nice if Valve was a little bit more focused, but that's the downside of having nearly no internal structure

[weak bluff]

They are focused but they don't have to release it fast

And if valve is making standalone they are probably waiting for good AMD custom APU

Which is not yet

[grizzled field]

??? you realize how many valve projects have just died right? Usually because the people working on it have just decided to work on something else.

[weak bluff]

You mean the wilderness era?

[grizzled field]

half life 3 has been attempted many times, and half life alyx was about to be given up on but gaben stepped in

[weak bluff]

That same source also explained how they changed how they work

They don't make people do whatever they want anymore instead everyone just work together

[grizzled field]

oh thats cool! I guess my knowledge was a bit outdated lol

[weak bluff]

It was in Half Life Alyx Final Hours

[grizzled field]

its a needed change, glad they did it.

[weak bluff]

https://youtu.be/mHdrosltGJA?t=190

Post wilderness https://youtu.be/mHdrosltGJA?t=525

[grizzled field]

anyway, has HP said anything about continuing Reverb support after WMR death, or any good community projects supporting it?

[weak bluff]

Nope not at all

There is Monado trying to save it

You could stay in Windows 10 until EOL or stay in Windows 24H1 and prevent feathre update then idk

Eventually you will want to keep updating your Windows and lose WMR drivers

[grizzled field]

I don't want to update to the latest spyware actually. But it's kind of unrealistic to never update, so yeah =/

[weak bluff]

Just disable recall

Or if you want candy crush free windows

Windows 11 LTSC

cleanest windows you can get

[grizzled field]

not just recall, its windows in general. I daily drive Linux, but VR support is nearly nonexistent, which is literally the only reason I have a windows install at all. What can I say? I love me some Beatsaber.

and Osu! just can't quite compare.

[weak bluff]

Ok then Windows 10 LTSC for gaming in QEMU/KVM?

[grizzled field]

that is an idea, I've considered to GPU pass through in a VM but I don't have integrated graphics so it wouldn't work. SteamVR native headsets work with linux, but I've heard SteamVR on Linux is super buggy. I'm pretty sure Valve will pull another Steam Deck and make the Deckard Linux based, which will fix most of the issues, but then I'm still waiting for the Deckard to drop before upgrading.

[vestal pewter]

I found it really cool to experience, but I may not be able to exoerience it for more than 2min at a time...

[haughty thistle]

I wouldn't exactly call the XRE a good headset. Not just is it overpriced, but I heared from a bunch of people that it's somewhat uncomfortable, and if you need an astigmatism prescription or a diopter prescription outside of +1/-6 then the headset is basically useless to you. Legit 0 space for glasses or inserts, so whatever diopter adjustment is built in is all you get...

[weak bluff]

whoa you can have eyes over -6?

at that point they should get lasik surgery

[haughty thistle]

afaik Lasik only goes up to a certain point. Plus, not everyone is comfortable with doing eye surgery... for good reason

The chances of stuff going wrong are over 1 percent (which for optional surgeries always a red sign imo) and if something goes wrong, it can be much worse then "no improvement". We're talking about going permanently blind...

[little plinth]

practically legally blind without glasses

my left eye is only -1.2 with 1.75 cyl and it's already shit

reading is impossible with my left eye

basically my right eye carried

[haughty thistle]

I don't have as strong astig, but my diopter is significantly worse. I feel ya

Something just about my arms reach away already is pure blur. I can tell basic rough shapes but that's about it. So text on screen with gaps like on Discords "comfortable" setting will look like just a bunch of lines to me...

[cold shard]

If I had $3000-8000 burning a hole in my pocket, I definitely would. I'm at -6/-5.75. I'm just glad I have no astigmatism

[weak bluff]

Maybe a trip to a cheaper country that still have good medical standard would still be cheaper

[grizzled field]

I suppose, if you are a big Subnautica fan, just seeing the game in VR may be worth it even if the controls and stuff are the same as flatscreen.

[grizzled field]

So... Good inside out tracked SteamVR headsets just don't exist then?

[haughty thistle]

The XRE is not a outside-in tracked

Oh wait... read that wrong lol

The XRE is just as much standalone as the Quest and Pico headsets are

[grizzled field]

but it can be plugged into PC and functions as a SteamVR native headset right? All of HTC's others are

[haughty thistle]

If we're talking PC native headsets with inside-out tracking there only are headsets with their own extra software on top. There's the Rift S, which has a whole host of issues related to USB power (manifest in tracking issues on some systems or more commonly robot mic voice), but generally people consider this to be the best option. There's also the Cosmos, but it's tracking is a total deal breaker. Lastly, there's the Pico Neo 3 Link. It is a standalone headset, but the only one that accepts a DP signal to become essentially a native PCVR headset with a special cable that comes included in the box. Tho the Pico Neo 3 series is generally considered to be a cheaper quality/knock-off Quest 2

[haughty thistle]

It cannot. It streams via USB just like the Quest and Pico 4 do

Same goes for the Focus 3

The only standalone headset that accepts a native image over DP is the Pico Neo 3 Link, and it still has it's standalone software running in the background for tracking and whatnot. So it kindof is and kindof isn't a native PCVR headset

[grizzled field]

so it has its own software too? Separate from SteamVR?

[haughty thistle]

OHHHH! I forgot. The Pimax Crystal actually does have a fully native PCVR mode (with desktop software and everything) that natively integrates into SteamVR and does have inside-out tracking

But because it tries to be everything at once it's also one of the heaviest headsets on the market and even when plugged in still runs off battery. With the shorter 4.5m cable which comes included with the Crystal you get around 7-8 hours (if the second USB is plugged into a 5V 2A charger) and only about 2 hours when using the 6m cable or the second power USB on the 4.5m cable is plugged into your PC

The reason the Crystal has a battery is the same reason the Pico Neo 3 Link has one: The Crystal tries to be a standalone headset with focus on PCVR, but I'm not sure if Pimax ever enabled the standalone functionality of the headset

[haughty thistle]

It has to. For the streaming client

[grizzled field]

Well, looks like I'm gonna have to use outside in tracking. I really don't want to screw base stations into my walls, but it is what it is.

[haughty thistle]

The Pimax Crystal also has it's own software, but it's only for managing device specific settings and providing a driver for SteamVR. It's about as native as it get's for inside-out tracked headsets on SteamVR

[grizzled field]

So, should I try to find an Index used, or is something from HTC more price competitive used?

I'll just have to put up with the base stations, they're still better than the stupid Cv1 trackers

[grizzled field]

is there a way to fix the cosmo's tracking? Aftermarket sensors or anything?

[haughty thistle]

The only way I know is to buy the Cosmos Elite, or the Cosmos Elite faceplate and putting that on. It turns the Cosmos into a lighthouse tracked headset, just like the Index

The root problem with the Cosmos can't be fixed. It's the design of tracking lights on the controllers. Rather then using a dot constallation, like every other camera based tracking system, HTC opted instead for tribal lines. They look cool, but really difficult to track for cameras/computer vision algos. As such the controllers constantly loose tracking, when moving fast, when moving slow, when partially occluded by an arm, a hand, the other controller. Plus they're big and heavy, meaning they really have no excuse to loose tracking when partially occluded

[grizzled field]

So then its kind of pointless to get a cosmos over an Index or a lighthouse tracked Vive

[haughty thistle]

Yup

It doesn't help that the flip-hinge mechansim on the Cosmos (and by extension most WMR headsets) looks cool, but wears out quickly and you'll end up with a headset you can never properly align with your eyes...

[grizzled field]

yeah, poor WMR, the Reverb g2 would have been the perfect headset for my use case, but not any more.

[rapid otter]

Tried wearing a weighted vest for added realism in Onward, works pretty well

It has metal plates and is about 8 kilos

Now I gotta find a way to add weight to guns

Maybe a gunstock but I haven't found one I like

[haughty thistle]

With any luck the PSVR2 will become native PCVR soon. Sony already announced they're working on official PCVR support on the PSVR2, and it could be a legit replacement for the gap left by the fallout of WMR...

[little plinth]

Likely requires a PS5 to work

Considering the death of VL in the GPU space it's unlikely sony gonna take the native VL route and instead opt for a streaming method.

[devout trail]

Then why would they bother adding firmware updates that allow it to work on another desktop GPU? Streaming wouldn’t have any bearing on what device it connects to if it was streaming from the PS5 anyway?

Definitely not a streaming option or an app or update would have released by now considering their backup of unsold inventory. Wouldn’t have to do a single thing to the headsets connectivity if it wasn’t changing how it connected to begin with.

[little plinth]

That or an adapter

[devout trail]

Yeah not streaming at all lol

Pretty easy to deduce that lol

[little plinth]

I mean that as in stream

If you don't want to get an adapter, you stream through PS5.

Either way it isn't native VL plug and play kind of stuff even if you own RTX 2000 card

[devout trail]

They wouldn’t be bothering adding support for other hardware if it was going to use the same hardware…..

Nope not yet. Still a couple years away on that.

[little plinth]

You still need an adapter thanks to the 12V VL of PSVR 2

Just like how IVRy need both software and hardware adapter

Since sony wants it to work with all modern GPUs

[devout trail]

Not everyone. My thunderboltEX4 card has 12v support. I’ve even already shown I’ve had it running without that adapter

[little plinth]

We know that PSVR2 can be a glorified display through that connection for some time

[devout trail]

But that’s the issue. Nothing else around has that 12v so it’s sooo hit or miss no one wants to drop the money wondering is my C port gonna work.

[little plinth]

That's entirely different from being a functional vr headset

[devout trail]

Nope it functions full mode just as iVRy shown as well. You need the adapter still if you have the Nvidia card because of a DSC driver issue.

[little plinth]

Can you show me source where a PSVR2 just works as a vr headset through a VL port without any extra adapters

[devout trail]

It does if you’re in Linux. Have you kept up on iVRy updates?

[little plinth]

I don't own a PSVR2, i have no reason to keep updated on weekly

I do check once in a while

[devout trail]

Ahh ok. Makes sense. Yep he got some updates and even got it running on a mini pc just because that board happened to have 12v support on one of the front USB4 ports.

[little plinth]

Considering most people own an nvidia gpu, the soon official method will definitely still use an adapter probably.

[devout trail]

I would think that would have caught many’s attention that everything VL was has been replaced and able to be done through USB4. Just a pain getting OEMs to add that specific support is pretty low.

Oh yep for sure it will! Needs that 12v

[little plinth]

So much effort put into playing on a fresnel headset smh

[devout trail]

That’s the shit part I’ve been seeing on Reddit too. People not too happy about the whole “vivebox” hanging off their pc….like why? Does that REALLY bother you?

[little plinth]

Do people really complain about placement of the adapter

I'd figure people would complain from a price standpoint of needing yet another expensive device

[devout trail]

Some have, saying ooh it’s gonna get ripped out, some saying they want it to just plug in on any front port and work…..smh like Jesus sooo helpless in competent it’s dumb.

Let alone any of them realizing the difference between any lens; pancake or fresnel. 😂

[little plinth]

Fresnel is absolute garbo after using pancake for over a year at this point

That small sweetspot is unbearable

[devout trail]

Truth! I cleaned out almost everything extra and old VR hardware I have just because I want to try the Pico 4.

[little plinth]

I occasionally use friend's Quest 2 before owning my own pico 4, the difference is massive. Then like a month ago i went to a public vr rental space while in a mall which has the original vive and meeting fresnel again

Eugh

[devout trail]

Was gonna try the pico 4 or the pimax crystal but don’t really wanna touch pimax

[little plinth]

The display has SDE (it's the old vive afterall) but i don't mind it

The fresnel however, can't see shit remotely far from the middle

Fuck fresnel

Oh the workers also don't know about IPD adjustment... On pancake you have more leniency on incorrect IPD

[devout trail]

Ahh I’m not too worried on its display I’ve been stuck with everything under the sun for some time and swapped or upgraded. I just want something standalone that’s as close as my index as I can get. Of course I understand that’s a goofy ass goal to have but I’m just getting annoyed with the cable and take everything out and put away all the time. Lots of kids around too so I can’t leave it out or she’ll be destroyed

[devout trail]

Wait the pico 4 has hardware IPD slider or some rift S bullshit?

[little plinth]

Vive of the rental space

Workers don't know how to change IPD, neither do i since i never own a vive

So it's on a slightly off IPD... On a fresnel

The pico 4 has motorized IPD

You set it in the OS and it moves

I don't think I'm letting that go

One of the few reasons i haven't moved to quest 3

[devout trail]

Oh ok I thought it was hardware that’s what I read. But knew you used a pico so you knew lol scared me for a sec. Hate that fake ass quest bullshit except for the q1 slider. That was decent!

Oh on the vive! Ok my bad misread ya there lol

[little plinth]

The pico 4 on 2544px

Majestic

The clarity is unmatched compared to all the other shit headsets i tried

Exception being quest 3 which i haven't tried

But people said the improvements on PCVR is very marginal, another reason i haven't upgraded

[haughty thistle]

They're working on adapter, as recently confirmed by a certfication application from Sony for a "PSVR PC Adapter"

[devout trail]

Yeah I think that’s one of my bigger issues. Nothing seems to be an actual UPGRADE to pcvr either just changing the config of our current iterations.

[haughty thistle]

https://fxtwitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1795734108058042709

[little plinth]

Going to pico 4 or quest 3 probably gonna be the biggest PCVR improvements around outside of spending the extra kidney money on something like BSB or Pimax/Varjo

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, who knows how long it'll take for Sony to officially release the darn' thing, plus even then, we don't know how well the Controller support is going to be

[devout trail]

Yeah I tried the Aero and I liked it a lot. I guess just the outgoing support kinda bummed me so didn’t wanna have a whole mini WMR issue down the line. Thankfully got back everything I paid for on that.

[little plinth]

Why won't ms open source WMR gdamnit

[devout trail]

No doubt! You know it wouldn’t be that hard if they’re working to remove it as well.

[haughty thistle]

I mean, they did promise to carry Gen3 hardware with Varjo Base until at least the end of 2025, and even then it doesn't mean the thing turns into a useless brick like WMR headsets do. You can just continue to use an older version of VB. It's what Gen1/2 Varjo users have to do and it's working pretty well for them

[devout trail]

But I mean every one of those short of the G2 can go lol

[haughty thistle]

Given the tight integration into Windows itself, I doubt they'd do that. They prolly deved it like a Windows extension and to make it work standalone without requiring a specific Windows version for a particular build would prolly require a full rewrite (something M$ has shown they aren't willing to do)

[devout trail]

Yeah I think varjo has a little more respect for their customers than Microsoft lol it just wasn’t the upgrade I’m wanting. Learning it’s not really a thing yet and just trying to play around with anything I haven’t used yet.

[haughty thistle]

Just figured I'd mention it, since a lot of people, especially on the Varjo discord, liked to doomtalk of how Varjo is doing a WMR to Aero users. They are not.

[devout trail]

But yeah I will say that Aero was great. If it had a full setup like an index or vive I probably would have kept it.

[devout trail]

Oh god yeah it’s easily apparent they’re not soft disabling the aero like wmr lol

But of course I can understand the trepidation lol

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, they just stop providing software updates. They're not making it literally impossible to run the hardware on purpose lol
It's similar to when your phone stops getting updates. Nothing prevents you from just continuing to use the device with the older software
And it's not like with the StarVR, where the driver was kinda hack and Steam did some updates breaking those hacks. Varjo has set precident that their drivers are stable enough that even very old versions continue to work just fine with newer SteamVR versions. Heck I could go back to VB 3.4 (the first version of Varjo base to support the Aero) if I wanted to and it would just work...

[devout trail]

They just must have had bigger hopes on them WMR headsets to distinctively pull the feature. I mean there really isn't anything hindering about leaving WMR support enabled in windows in its current iteration. But to specifically remove it does take a bit of extra work considering how they tried to integrate it into windows like you said too.

But of course if no ones wanting to use WMR I see that side of the arguement too.

[haughty thistle]

My guess is that it's so deep into the system that a lot of changes to the system also require touching the WMR code.

So while it might be some effort pulling support, it's probably way less effort in the long run to remove it now, then to just keep it and not update it

Unlike stuff like the screensaver control dialog (which really only has one dep on the screensaver settings API), WMR was touching stuff like the app list/startmenu, app rendering, modern Settings, hardware interrupts (to startup WMR when you plug a headset in), it's own Bluetooth stack (to allow headsets their own dedicated Bt link to the controllers), etc...

[devout trail]

That was my guess as well! Figured they "could" leave it be but like you said its sooo integrated into everything that there would be more hassle in the long run when support breaks or some windows update breaks it causing more trouble than its worth.

[weak bluff]

Lol i was considering between rtx 2070 super with only displayport and hdmi or spend a little bit more for 2070 super with a virtuallink port and is a blower card

For psvr2

[devout trail]

Same here for a Radeon card before the updates lol

[haughty thistle]

Personally I don't mind having an external box for the VL compat. Means the USB-C port is in a more acceible position in the front. Also gives me a bit extra cable to work with

[rapid otter]

Anyone tested the PROTUBE FORCETUBE ?
And how's the compatibility on non supported games ?

[little plinth]

is it really worth getting a shit card just for a VL port
i mean it's not a bad card just not worth it

that 2070 super definitely not pushing the resolution wanted by the PSVR anyway

[weak bluff]

its for ITX PC so air vent is terrible anyways

if i use non blower then i might invest extra into 2, 3cm fans

[devout trail]

Now if say this new PCVR adapter for the PSVR2 allows me to use its full functionality like per say using it for a dual monitor that’s DP-alt and power as well and not just for the PSVR2 I’d rather have that. The port upfront is extremely convenient.

[haughty thistle]

Likely just a VL standard box. Should be DP compatible, tho it packs the DP signal differently, so it might not work with every DP-Alt mode monitor...

[devout trail]

Yeah here’s to hoping though! lol

[sullen linden]

Thoughts on PSVR 2?

[pliant leaf]

quest 2 or 3 for msfs

its $220 or $570

[little plinth]

I mean the price us radically different

Is*

At that point it depends on how much you're willing to spend

[pliant leaf]

ill spend either amount more wondering if the quest 3 is worth the $350 more

[rancid charm]

I’d honestly just get the quest 2 with good accessories like a battery strap for simulators

Unless the quest 3 at 570 includes a strap

[pliant leaf]

no 570 is just for the headset and cable

[rancid charm]

Ehhh

That’s really expensive

[pliant leaf]

is the visual quality much diffrent?

[rancid charm]

Even here in the Middle East it’s cheaper

[pliant leaf]

yeah compared to a quest 2 fully maxed out being $300

[rancid charm]

Uhh, through a PC I don’t think it’s that much different

Barely noticeable I’d say

[pliant leaf]

ill get the comfort bundle and whats a good battery pack

[rancid charm]

BoboVR

[pliant leaf]

and does the quest 2 come with a link cable?

[pliant leaf]

?

[rancid charm]

Separately sadly

[rancid charm]

BoboVR makes the best battery straps

[pliant leaf]

dang its $70 for that cable

oh mb i was confused

[rancid charm]

https://www.bobovr.com/products/bobovr-m2-pro

[pliant leaf]

m3 pro any good?

[rancid charm]

Get a kuject one off Amazon

It also charges the quest 2

24 dollars

[pliant leaf]

thats one of the battery packs

[rancid charm]

M3 pro is for the quest 3

[pliant leaf]

oh

[rancid charm]

The link I sent is for the two

[pliant leaf]

im sorry im stupid

ima do the m2 plus because that comes with a battery charging stand and 2 batterys

[rancid charm]

Nah your all good

It’s confusing

[pliant leaf]

yeah i know nothing abt vr other than i want it for msfs

[rancid charm]

It’s really amazing, if you get the right stuff it’s honestly magical

[pliant leaf]

earlier today i was looking at 43 inch monitors and realized for $700 id be so much better off with a vr headse

[rancid charm]

I am using a Pico 4 right now

With my PC

(Which is also a great option similarly priced to a quest 2)

[pliant leaf]

okay i have the quest 2 comfort bundle and a m2 plus battery in my cart anything else i need?

[pliant leaf]

lemme check it out

its $470

[rancid charm]

Oh, I remember it being cheaper

It includes a strap already and is much more comfortable than the quest 3 and 2

[pliant leaf]

is that everything i need?

[rancid charm]

You’ll have two straps

But yeah just add a link cable

[pliant leaf]

the second strap is the elite strap

[rancid charm]

Yeah

[pliant leaf]

oh mb forgot thta

[rancid charm]

Kuject charging link cable is really good

[pliant leaf]

https://www.amazon.com/Kuject-Separate-Charging-Ultra-Durable-Accessories/dp/B09TN25765/ref=sr_1_6?crid=33BSNBS7RTEQE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.eHuCcZJGftK899A3CKSPALFtagyWRlvx1jYcNzzW-OM55RTSdSiv5BTRncN9y5AEEluxRMRhVEpYWD-6vZ48YXurCaS0Vsz9WBgjtwGAUo3o_4XZYsrKzRn_HO4DNh4et-x845c8WugfKGEMSr8bDaKacY9BWouAeVRyFZw-7Ea1iRuAuFLDWbULW-LZwk3sLSeAXPmX65cDNpVI8QcdWMGlE3Um8LCeHi7HXCMv5xUjcCQHv6j_TaOfIBcjEvRCgj0R6OLCeVjmhcvdFs8fA2b_3mmYPXJlTmIsLMbyhG4.qOU4QWv76LvH8eJ8ee3QEOIKLlKF3CmMdw6kqEdYPDc&dib_tag=se&keywords=kuject&qid=1717034514&sprefix=kujec%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-6

that?

[rancid charm]

Yep

[pliant leaf]

okay

hows this looking?

[rancid charm]

You can add me on discord if you ever need help setting stuff up I’m always online xD

[rancid charm]

Looks great!

[pliant leaf]

Thank you! ill try not to bother you unless i run into a issue

[pliant leaf]

perfect

now i wait till friday when i get my pay check

[rancid charm]

Feel free to bother me lol it’s all good

I’m glad to help

[pliant leaf]

i could get it all now but it would be tight for till friday so ill just wait to get it till i have the money

[rancid charm]

Ooo I feel that, I always run short on money because I do stuff like that and end up barely having enough for food xD

[pliant leaf]

Thank you so much everyone else who "helped" me just confused me more you actually explained things in a reasonable way

just straight to the point

[rancid charm]

Tysm!

[pliant leaf]

also i only use wifi for my conection that will work right?

i heard wierd things like you need ethernet

[rancid charm]

If you use wireless connection, aka airlink you need Ethernet for it to run well, but in this case you got a link cable so it doesn’t matter

[pliant leaf]

ohhhh so for air link you need ethernet?

[rancid charm]

Yes

It’s not a must but I didn’t have any luck running it on Wi-Fi

What you are going to use is Called Link, which is cable not Wi-Fi

[pliant leaf]

lol when i bought all my flight sim stuff (to the tune of around $800) i remember living off hot pockets and instant romen for like 3 days lol

[rancid charm]

Oh my god xD

[pliant leaf]

ngl it was worth it

[rancid charm]

I have been in VR since the quest 1 came out, and oh my god has it been a journey

Been through so many headsets

[pliant leaf]

what all have you tried?

wow only $325 total

abt same price as one of my 27 inch 1440 monitors and its alot better lol

[rancid charm]

Quest 1, HTC Vive, Quest 2, Quest 3, Quest Pro, Pico Neo 3 Link, Pico 4, Valve Index

[pliant leaf]

bros a collecter

[rancid charm]

Yes 😭

[pliant leaf]

mind if i ask what the benifit to the battery pack is?

[rancid charm]

I mostly give away the headsets I don’t use

[pliant leaf]

do you happen to have a quest 2 or 3 laying around??

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-dog-smile-dog-gif-8410842647057035510

[rancid charm]

Oh, when you want to play standalone or wirelessly, you kinda need that

[pliant leaf]

ah okay

[rancid charm]

It’s not a must honestly when using a PC with link

[pliant leaf]

makes sense how long will it last with the battery?

[pliant leaf]

if im getting the quest 2 i wanna just get everything for it that will help the experience

[rancid charm]

Yeah understandable

[pliant leaf]

oh wow that pack adds 2-3 hours to the battery length

[pliant leaf]

i can actually play dcs in this then

[rancid charm]

Yep, and you get two

[rancid charm]

You won’t need the battery though unless you go wireless

The Kuject cable charges the quest

While connected to the PC

[pliant leaf]

yeah thats what i liked abt the plus version its only $30 more

[rancid charm]

Yep!

But it’s a good to have

[pliant leaf]

oh so i dont need the battery? everything id play would be sitting at my desk so i dont mind being teathered

[rancid charm]

Oh, in that case you don’t really need it, just use the Kuject cable

[pliant leaf]

wait i somehow only now realized i can also play actual vr game

[rancid charm]

Since you already get a strap with the comfort kit

[pliant leaf]

would it be a nice to have? incase i do begin to use it at my desk

[rancid charm]

It’s definitely nice to have, you will also find that the quest store has a lot of very good games stand-alone

And the battery provides a lot more time

[pliant leaf]

would a aftermarket head strap be better than the elite?

[rancid charm]

Yes, the elite straps are not that good in terms of durability

The BoboVR m2 plus includes a strap

It’s not just batteries

[pliant leaf]

what would a btter one be

[rancid charm]

The BoboVR you added xD

[pliant leaf]

oh so i dont need the elite strap then

[rancid charm]

Yeah you don’t

That’s why I was wondering why your getting two xD

[pliant leaf]

even more reason to get the battery pack ig

wait i just realized i can play beat sabor now!

[pliant leaf]

okay that makes ALOT more sense now

[rancid charm]

OH WAIT

you also should get a facial interface, stock one is like sand paper

[pliant leaf]

i apoligze for the 100,000 questions

[rancid charm]

It hurts

[pliant leaf]

okay whats a good one

[rancid charm]

No worries!

[rancid charm]

AMVR or VRCOVER

[pliant leaf]

for things like this i like to know as much as possible

[rancid charm]

Yeah it’s all good’

[pliant leaf]

https://www.amazon.com/Interface-Replacement-Standard-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B08HMQK73M/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1KM5DRCFZD7ZB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.juQJHFIKZwk-95FXpq2tvOGPcKCFloNE2x1qbv8JuIl_ewzeVObgXwW9ST_Z-ouK9GJ21y12y0ry9NRxJ1tcY-uIEXLj9vIBqgToDWOnBoT5VpiGW3RjMCjpgiXBvZ0m7bbuAQ8QfRNAYdxd510Ym1twzmAUHVVOOESQxYVME7JW90IAID37mgtKjQwboWC8G0yPO1JFjixcmyGL1cg2RMcmJfS-oq8fuK-fwDoTSPw.pGKbML8snz1iGVBPSogG9MQJlIjyupvxd3ij2mTzBHo&dib_tag=se&keywords=vrcover&qid=1717035415&sprefix=vrcove%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

this?

[rancid charm]

Yep

[pliant leaf]

for flight sims would the hand grip things be good to get a cover for? i see some that look grippy

[rancid charm]

Uhhh, do you have equipment for flight sim or you plan to use the controllers?

If you have a joystick I mean

[pliant leaf]

yeah i have flight sticks and throttle and 200 other things lol

[rancid charm]

Oh LOL

[pliant leaf]

my bank account wants to strangle the company i get it all from

[rancid charm]

Then you don’t need the grips, but I love the grips for shooter games etc

[pliant leaf]

okay

OHHH the quest 2 has a headphone port so i can just plug my iems into that

[rancid charm]

I’ll say tho, the quest 3 is not much different in resolution, but the lenses are way better, but if it’s your first headset I don’t think you will notice unless you will use a quest 3 and 2 side by side

So I think your good

[pliant leaf]

okay

as long as i can read the instruments

[rancid charm]

Yeah

[pliant leaf]

https://www.amazon.com/Controller-Compatible-Quest-Accessories-Oculus-2/dp/B08PP8SW2S/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?crid=3CW3769E1JU5K&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ULkKMgNeSCd79KRsirHXMrmFxRqGgG1lR5FgB9yGlLqYDJRsOJkPbkm5UbSf9FCG2ZHKHq2f8KDs3tfNsq6pdVSsGcxQoYvT3G-WrZs5xdGYXg_e7HZ-4Bjxdx7dFV43_gy7rvpTBEDSmMLqo4x3u8nFp-csKeD0LuUn89bBRrbaSu92wwXiwJAvSbdLmLzNTVAAEEGjI33baY73Zt-eo4SF5zAXFkNRT47PwDibXcQ.ByX0xKjGbbml5wsw_1xjEswtCafQrNEk2w709Zpt9MQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=grip+for+quest+2&qid=1717035602&s=videogames&sprefix=grip+for+quest+%2Cvideogames%2C94&sr=1-7-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1

these any good?

[rancid charm]

Also what are your PC specs?

[rancid charm]

Yep these are great

[pliant leaf]

5800x and 7900xt

[rancid charm]

Ohh okay

So, I’m not sure about the GPU, AMD tends to have issues with quest link and air link, but it might have been fixed by now

[pliant leaf]

uh oh

[rancid charm]

Hopefully it’s been resolved already but I’ll check to make sure

Lemme ask someone I’ll brb

[pliant leaf]

okay

[rancid charm]

Doesn’t look too hopeful

[pliant leaf]

what...

[rancid charm]

You’ll need to use specific older drivers

[pliant leaf]

why?

will it work without that?

[rancid charm]

New drivers breaks encoding and some other stuff

[pliant leaf]

this isnt meant to be argumentitive but this proves that wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUuaTpvApCM

it says its fixxed now

this also seems to incinuate it used to be a major issue but now its good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX9qZ0ttz8

@rancid charm do these seem to be good sources?

[rancid charm]

i just asked in some servers and it seems to be hit or miss, you might not have issues at all, but you might have XD

[pliant leaf]

well worse case ig i can still play games on it

[rancid charm]

yeah

[pliant leaf]

just one last check this is everything i need?

got my steam ready lol

any games that would be good on it?

oh beat sabor

@rancid charm sorry for the ping but is a stand good for the quest?

dosent have to be this exact one but this idea

https://www.amazon.com/KIWI-design-Accessories-Headset-Controllers/dp/B08X29FYZK/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=3GIXSUIOWMZS1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.I07ciAeSVNixdjQNwUE88EQyebjgeu9VuEfyifCG6Y5Tc133kaJ9SlCP0JL5coiJNIVZ12avLLotD_OZNb-fSsj4bDryXcKrtI8VWR2r39phXqSXmBGWNBxiTk6GaeE4wC2Fvzg2sO-hvLAggcOY3BDf3iLD4GFyq-zZeg4zFanvlQHX4hqasnyc2flp8_SXksszWL6wuwMJfcJ3vLumrzUBHh1VUIIDKaPkquKFsvk.jwD5P2uGcFvPCgpBoDN67yKiqsjwKIHqy1fq8W2mBUg&dib_tag=se&keywords=quest+2+stand&qid=1717037251&s=videogames&sprefix=quest+2+sta%2Cvideogames%2C109&sr=1-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

[rancid charm]

Yeah it’s alright

[pliant leaf]

Okay I’ll order it all Friday I chose to not get the stand because I can just leave it all on my desk

Thanks for all your help!

You’ve gotten me farther in a hour than anyone else has in a entire day

[rapid otter]

Got a new toy 😉

A PROTUBE FORCETUBE

It's the storm 12 joules model

Basically there's vibration and it kicks your body when you shoot

[thin dragon]

Dude i just got the quest 2 and the games are way too expensive

Cant i just buy the version on steam then run steam vr

[rapid otter]

If you have a goof PC and some kind of steam link/airline/VD working then yeah

[thin dragon]

Is a 2060 super enough for most games

[amber sleet]

should be

[sullen linden]

Just check your games recommended specs

[little torrent]

guys do you think investing in an AMVR face cover is worth it?

[weak bluff]

2060 super user here yeah

[pliant leaf]

how do i connect my quest 2 to msfs
on my pc i have the link cable
i have msfs off gamepass if that changed anything

[weak bluff]

that is tricky you need to run Quest 2 PCVR in OpenXR

[pliant leaf]

whats open xr

[rapid otter]

Only you can tell

Try I guess ?

[pliant leaf]

Is this a good quest 2 link cable?

https://a.co/d/3wlfK5l

[vestal pewter]

I tried Elite Dangerous and it looks really good and feels great to maneuver as well. It did force me to stop after like 10min because I got dizzy, still have to get used to VR, though I feel like either it's gotten better or the game isn't as bad as others in my library

[real pasture]

yes

[red zinc]

yes

[thin dragon]

Ok i recently got the quest 2 and the battery life is horrible

I saw you can add battery backs or something can anyone recommend a good one

[thorny ferry]

highly recommend just getting a small 10,000mah pack from someone like anker and strapping it to the back strap as a counterweight

[weak bluff]

I strap 20000 on back as counterweight and battery life extender

[thorny ferry]

the large lad

[earnest vale]

got this recently and its good

[honest sphinx]

Quest 3 128GB is $430 on Amazon

at least for me

right now

and 512 GB is $450

[smoky iron]

USB wont work with oculus

i tried it with mine and it wouldnt work

snytech has a cord that thats usbc to usbc

[pliant leaf]

Yes it does

I tried it

[little plinth]

only 3.0+ USB works*

[rustic garnet]

wtaf do you mean lol

[real pasture]

usb 2.0 works as well?

idk where you got that from

[little plinth]

literally every streaming app out there telling you to use 3.0?

[real pasture]

not only that, when i ran my friend's quest 2 on a 2.0 link it ran just fine at 120hz

[real pasture]

telling you that its recommended

[thin dragon]

So whats the difference between using both?

[weak bluff]

USB 3.0 is faster and is full duplex

more power too altho not nearly enough to charge

[thorny ferry]

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1797629397777948847?t=Zq87u9aHW5FgJ3lPFMC5Jg&s=19

PlayStation (@PlayStation) on X

The PlayStation VR2 PC adapter launches August 7, letting players expand their game library with thousands of SteamVR titles. https://t.co/czluXvqmKk

Twitter · Jun 3, 2024, 2:00 PM

[thorny ferry]

Eye tracking and hdr disabled

Fuck you sony

Hopefully someone gets it working

[rapid otter]

My setup rn 3800 MHA and a short cable, held with cable ties

[haughty thistle]

There's a tiny sliver of hope that they just added this because no games support it right now, but I doubt it. Enabling HDR support in SVR could break games in even more ways then canted viewports do, and for ET they would've needed to code their own api, which Sony is likely not willing to invest the effort in...

[thorny ferry]

I wanted psvr2 for easy cheap eye tracking for vrchat

Also as long as the tech is exposed i imagine we'd see a good amount of foveated rendering mods even if theres not official game support

[weak bluff]

i would be frustrated if i have to put EyeTrackVR on a headset that literally already have eye tracking

60 euro

ouch

[haughty thistle]

Let's be honest tho:
Did anyone really expect that the PSVR2 would magically support features on PC no other mainstream headset has? With Eye Tracking, ok, I agree that that's stupid, but probably not without reason (would require extra software dev, extra API, unlikely to be supported by games natively), but many of the reasons also apply to the haptic triggers, and that for sure is a PSVR2 exclusive feature.
The HDR, as I mentioned before was only added to SVR rather recently and no other headset has it, so it could very likely be that enabling support for it breaks games. Plus SVR has only HDR10 support, what if the PSVR2 is HLG instead?

The fact that they straight up said those features aren't available is stupid, I agree, and parts of why is likely just lazy development (just throw together the bare minimum of a driver to get it working and just rebrand the existing VL-Link box from BizLink and call it a day), but for most of the features I can kindof understand why. Sony envisions the PSVR2 to be kinda the Apple experience of VR: you plug it in and game. No fussing about with any configs and other nonsense. Adding extra toggles just for enthusiasts would've gone fully against that notion

[weak bluff]

surely i dont expect everything

the haptic controller was my 1st thoiugh of wont be passed through

would be cool if Sony move their console exclusive into PC with VR as well and that will make full use of headset features

[haughty thistle]

That's actually the cheapest I've ever seen a VL linkbox be sold at. The previous low for these was 150€, which was the aforementioned BizLink one sold by Varjo. I believe Varjo actually stopped selling to consumers, so now your only option is that same linkbox from VRgenieers, who sell it for 300€

[weak bluff]

i agree actually

well but also i want to know if its possible to make 3rd party headset to rely on Sony adapter

that would be really cool

[haughty thistle]

And I'm curious if you even need the Sony adapter. Imagine if you already have say a Varjo headset with a VL linkbox. Could just plugin a PSVR2 and have it work?

Because if one way works, the other should too

[weak bluff]

also sony did not make any implementation for existing virtuallink GPUs seems that will have to rely on iVRy

[haughty thistle]

Did they explicitly say that you need the VL box? If so then that might hint at some special sauce in the adapter...

[thin dragon]

Guys for these wont the grips cover the sensors and mess w the tracking

[sullen linden]

Should i get a quest 3?

[weak bluff]

Tracking should be fine

He is back https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1797697304167944233?t=Gtbq6WNHWyg9hDaJzdzKBA&s=19

Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey) on X

@SadlyItsBradley I am going to be announcing the fact that I am working on a new HMD at AWE!

Twitter · Jun 3, 2024, 6:30 PM

[outer aurora]

depends

u use pcvr at all?

[sullen linden]

yea thats my plan

[outer aurora]

It’s pretty good now that steamlink is a thing, but wifi or usb compression kinda ruins it for me sometimes

In thinking about waiting for the valve deckard even though it will take for ever 😭

But the pancake lenses on the quest 3 would be fire

[sullen linden]

Yea fr

Idk i love vr but im not sure if ill get it

[outer aurora]

its so fun

ive been playing through vertigo 2

peak game

[haughty thistle]

The red rubber grips don't. At least for Quest 2 controllers. They will cover the sensors on the Quest 3 controllers however, and so does the clear ring cover that seems to be included

On the Quest 2 controllers the tracking sensors are only in the ring above the input panel

[weak bluff]

from what i understand about PSVR2 shortcomings
PSVR2 missing features in PC:

• HDR (idk why)
• Headset feedback - no PC games can take advantage of it
• Eye tracking - SteamVR Eye Tracking is not ready(?) & Sony does not want to spend on developing PC API but this can be modded by 3rd party or updated in future
• Adaptive trigger - no PC games can take advantage of it
• Haptic feedback - no PC games can take advantage of it
  Notable things that do get:
• OLED display (Cheapest production OLED headset)
• Finger touch detection
• Foveated Rendering (fixed)
• Passthrough
• 3D audio

Unanswered question:

• DisplayPort 1.4 requirement but does it require DSC?
• PSVR2 controller connects via bluetooth to PC? Does it work by default or need firmware update?

third cable that is not DisplayPort or USB is that power cable and is it included in adapter?

if Sony never updates eye tracking then relying on iVRy or 3rd party is the bet

[devout trail]

I mean it’s pretty straightforward why most features are non existent. No PC games have had the PSVR2 in consideration for their development of whatever app or game they make so it just doesn’t magically turn on when it’s plugged in. I highly doubt they would sell the adapter without the required power adapter either as that’s more or less the biggest issue with getting the headset running on more or less all compatible PCs. You don’t get a brand new in box PS5 without the power cable lol.

Like you said most of those features will probably be enabled or modded in by the community before Sony gets a practical application implemented.

[haughty thistle]

I would assume so. Their adapter box is defo not 100% identical to the existing BizLink VL boxes. DP and USB coming out of the box are swapped and the DP one isn't hardwired, only the USB one is.
But given that VL requires 12V PD at some Amp number not deliverable by normal USB ports on PCs, that third one is most definetly an external power input

I'll be honest, I'd rather have that, then whatever jank Meta did with their Rift S and Pimax with their 6m cable

Pulling all power directly from the PC is never a good idea. HP learned that lesson while developing the Reverb G2 (hence why the power adapter on it seems like an afterthought, yet mandetory; it was originally optional after all)...

[devout trail]

I can never emphasize this enough to any of my friends. They have numerous issues down to the simple ones like "oh why are my 4 external HDDs off 1 hub not connecting or disconnecting randomly" while using a 10 dollar usb hub off amazon with no extra power......

VR just makes it soooo much more confusing to some who dont even know the actual difference between a 2.0 and 3.0 port or cable.

I do wonder though about your comment earlier about using that PSVR2 adapter on another HMD that uses the same VL type requirements. I would think you could use it for other headsets as long as they dont have that adapters capabilites locked down just like the PSVR2 itself was.

[haughty thistle]

I mean... I am considering getting one when the adapter launches in August and testing it out with my Varjo VL adapter. Ofc would get the official adapter as a backup just in case, but if I don't need it I could just return it
The thing that I don't know is whether the PSVR PC adapter has some sort of special sauce in it, which makes the PSVR2 work only with the official adapter and/or if there's any extra stuff in the adapter preventing other VL devices from working with it

Their software might even check specifically for the hardware ID of the official adapter, but there's nothing else preventing compat as well

[devout trail]

Thats very true. I would guess that its basically the same like you said as the Bizlink adapter but it has Sony behind it and they have that tendancy to artifically lock something with no practical reason behind it. But that would also make for any other VL adapter users able to have a cheaper replacement if it does work with others!

[weak bluff]

They prob don't need to artificially lock just make it incompatible at all

[devout trail]

Well we know they dont need to as with the PSVR2 already. They simply just have the track record of doing it......

[weak bluff]

Many people are quick to blame PSVR2 lack of feature on PC as artificial limitation when in reality Sony just did not invest in it

[devout trail]

Umm of course they didnt. They made the PSVR2 for the PS5 not a PC.

[weak bluff]

They did not block feature just did not make it work

[devout trail]

Right....you have to put the code in the system to take advantage of the hardware. Thats why apps on PCVR use PCVR headset features and not a console VR headset that never was designed to be used on PC.

[weak bluff]

No Tyrel they did not take out

They just did not put in

Also only HDR abd Eye tracking are real let down rest are PS5 exclusive

[devout trail]

Lol yeah sounds like he a little angry. Once its out and on PC itll be the same as the iVRy situation. Give it a bit of time and those features will be unlocked to some degree. Maybe not as simple and straightforward as using a console would be but still. Just like with using a PSVR2 on PC. The community will make it happen 🙂

[little plinth]

https://www.uploadvr.com/pico-4s-xr2-gen-2-chipset/

More pico leaks

i'm definitely upgrading to it if it actually releases in the future

[haughty thistle]

The thing is tho, we in the enthusiast space like to tunnel vision and hate on things because certain things aren't available, but I see it this way: plenty of people will be completely happy with what Sony delivered. It's the cheapest production OLED headset on the market right now, plus it's a proper native PCVR alternative to the flood of standalone devices

[weak bluff]

I think it's a cheaper upgrade path from index

[haughty thistle]

It sucks that basically everything that made it special are PS5 exclusive, but with most features (including HDR btw) it's completely understandablem, because literally nothing supports those features, and likely never will on PC (not with the current hardware landscape at least). Eye tracking is also quite a doozy. Basically everyone has their own interface, and with devs already maintaining Vive's SRanipal and Meta's propriatary OXR interfaces and basically nothing else, I doubt they would support whatever Sony would cook up anyways either

The problem is lack of standardization, especially on the PC. And I can fully understand Sony not willing to put in effort for niche features they can force on devs for their own home turf but will likely never be used outside of it

[rustic garnet]

YO

[haughty thistle]

And given that they basically did an MVP (minimum viable product) for PC support on the PSVR2, I doubt they will have it locked down much either

[weak bluff]

Its 3rd party job to make eye tracking compatible with OpenXR

[sharp stream]

the question is, should you get a meta quest 3, or a psvr2 + adapter, if you already have a powerful pc

i'm leaning towards psvr2 tbh

[weak bluff]

neither is an all rounder if you like wireless Quest 3 is still the choice

but OLED is rare and nice i would sac wireless for OLED

[sharp stream]

true

not having to support meta is also pretty nice lol

[weak bluff]

I just pick what is best for me i wont get my dislike preventing me picking best product for me

unless they are hand in hand same quality

[amber sleet]

i really hope oleds will be more common in newer headsets

[weak bluff]

OLED have burn in issue at high brightness and pancake needs like 5000 nits

idk how OLED headset manage to stay bright long

[rustic garnet]

Does anyone have good through lens pictures of the psvr2

[outer aurora]

no but thru lense doesnt show much since like

quest 1

[outer aurora]

could yall imagine a pcvr headset with pancake lenses and OLED display

[pliant leaf]

i must say pancake lenses are way overrated

[outer aurora]

ive tried them a few times on the quest 3, i really do like them

not sure if its just my eyes but the frasnel lenses do not work great for me

just always seems a little muddy

[toxic wasp]

Hey, so im wondering, is a Quest 1 for 60€ worth it?

I have no experience with real VR Headsets, but ive played a good amount via a Cardboard System, with a Kinect for body tracking, and seemingly don't have any massive issues with Dizzyness or such with low resolution or even lag/low refresh rates..

And since im on a tight budget, that 60€ pricetag seems very tempting

It got some issues though, like bad battery life (id probably run it off a powerbank anyway, might even do a battery delete mod so its lighter), and some issues with controllers, like stick drift and a broken but glued ring.

[toxic wasp]

Id want to attempt to fix the stick drift, as im not particularly scared of taking things apart.

[weak bluff]

There is bigscreen beyond

[weak bluff]

If ring is broken it is almost impossible to repair (i tried myself) especially stick drift even harder

The biggest problem with quest 1 is its discontinued and will no longer get feature update and is a matter of time before it fails to run on PC or standalone

No apps will update on quest 1 anymore

Not worth it

Quest 1 controller is quite hard to repair and does not help that spare part is now impossible to find. There are also awful traps while trying to disassemble like fragile ribbon cable that i broke during disassemble plus shear amount of force and precision to unclip those things while being glued

The ring is no flat surface and heat gun is not cheap

[pliant leaf]

Quest 1 is almost usless at the current time I recommend buying a quest 2 it’s on sale for $200

Quest 1 has no price it’s worth it

[outer aurora]

but thats $1,500 not including taxes, plus another couple hundred for tracking sensors and then a hell of a lot more money for index controllers

psvr2 might be the play for pcvr until the new valve headset

[pliant leaf]

Yes and that’s the price for a oled pancake lense

[outer aurora]

wellllllll

thats the price for a custom vr interface designed for your face, compact into the worlds smallest vr headset

and lightest

im just talking about a quest 3 with its "gen xr2 snapdragon" and mini computer built inside gutted out, and spend those costs on improving panel and making it pcvr exclusive

which the price of micro OLED displays would be outweighed by the standalone aspects, so if a company (Valve) took a similar approach but made different things priority

we could have a decently priced pcvr headset

[haughty thistle]

By only running like 5-10% of the time. Screens in VR (including all the OLEDs) stay black most of the time to improve motion clarity

The screen might be 5000nits at a 100% duty cycle, but on a 10% duty cycle averaged over time it's actually only running at 500nits. It's very brief 5000nit flashes, but you catch my drift

[weak bluff]

Do lcd do this

[toxic wasp]

Im confused, why would current games that support the quest 1 suddenly stop working? Especially PCVR, isnt it just a controller + monitor in one at that point?

Also, id probably like to develop my own games anyway, so it wont be a massive issue it internally wont run newer games, thats what the pc is for after all-

[toxic wasp]

200€ is simply too expensive for my budget, and generally too much for me to start into a hobby (sure i started with cardboard vr, but thats no comparison even with everything set up). There are other offers that are 80-100€ for a better condition quest 1, and aslong i can play the games that came out for it and pcvr, id be happy

As for repairability, ive repaired many phones, laptops, and other devices like consoles, controllers and simmilar before, i aint particularly scared of what the quest 1 needs you to do

Like said, i even considered doing a battery delete mod

[weak bluff]

PCVR relies on Meta updates and once meta stops updating compatibility will break

If you have a PC

Rift CV1 or HTC Vive will last longer

For standalone games the store no longer gets update and no game is allowed to be published nor uodate anymore

[toxic wasp]

I mean.. side loading exists.. kinda like the homebrewing scene.

[toxic wasp]

But this is odd.. why would it?

Dont the drivers and stuff continue to work and provide the needed position and tracking data?

Like, why would it just stop working? That would be like saying "a windows 7 laptop is completly useless and unusable because it got no updates anymore"

While the hardware still has all the crap functioning and stuff

Like, isnt pcvr or stramvr or whatever its called standardized?

So unless there is a big revision like pcvr2, shouldn't it stay compatible?

Cuz if not, all old pcvr headsets Should be not working anymore either, no? In the end, they also just provide the sensor data to the PC via a driver, and accept a display in..

Although the rift cv1 does look promising.. ill check the vive aswell

[weak bluff]

No the Oculus software wont work with your quest when version is too old

Speaking from Quest 2 experience

No the sensor and stuff wont stop working but its useless if headset itself cant run much

Quest 1 still gets security update and fixes until 2024 after that no security nor feature

And because you cannot publish apps Steam Link or VD won't be available for PCVR

Sideloading is an option but who will continue making app for discontinued headset? Maybe ALVR? And any bug fies wont be able to fix so any headset side issue will be permanent

We still don't know whether Meta will unlock bootloader like Oculus Go but without that its a slowly decaying device

You want to buy Quest for game dev? It does not make sense to buy Quest 1 for neither standalone purpose nor PCVR. It works for PCVR for now but its future is uncertain and all roadmap leads this headset to software issues unless Meta unlocks bootloader.

I would say it makes more sense on native headsets like displayport/hdmi headsets or buy a long term support vr headset

Besides if you have no experience in VR game dev i suggest starts creating contents inside VR games like VRChat Udon which wont need VR before deciding if you want to invest more

[weak bluff]

Old PCVR headsets does not have this issue because they do not rely on Meta updates to run standalone software. HTC Vive and Oculus Rift CV1 from 2016 will outlast them because those are native headsets that does not rely on software to encode and decode between headset and PC rather they connect directly with PC and use OpenVR standard

Those headsets will break when OpenVR breaks so badically like any SteamVR headsets

Quest 1 have no native way to connect to PC because it is standalone headset that relies on hardware decoding and software to get data from PC and those core features are under threat of Meta lack of updates

I forgot about also this your headset seems to be at point of planned obsolescence especially that drifting controller that is really hard to repair and Meta have no interest in fixing it

More about Quest 1 EoL https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/headsets-and-accessories/using-your-headset/changes-for-meta-quest-one/

[toxic wasp]

Cant i just keep an old oculus software installed?

[weak bluff]

I don't know

[toxic wasp]

I mean yes, not only for game dev, but aswell. I dont see any issues developing for older hardware, i see it like the homebrew scene for the 3DS and such.

[toxic wasp]

I do have experience in Gamedev (and development in general), just not particularly much in the vr side of things, but from what ive seen, it doesn't seem too different

[toxic wasp]

Oh, well that explains a lot. I wonder why it doesn't support OpenVR though then? I would guess that it shouldn't be too difficult to manage to make it support that.. even if it needs software on both ends.

As from what i understood from how you explained it, openvr just expects a display out and sensor data in.. which seems manageable?

[toxic wasp]

Fair enough. So that point is a 50/50.. mhm. So its half a sinking ship, half chance it could just continue to work

I guess ill wait until EOL hits, and see what people say, if its still useable.

The price will probably drop with EOL hitting aswell id guess

[weak bluff]

To make it work with OpenVR is to rely on software solution which Meta provides via Oculus Software or 3rd party like Virtual Desktop

Steam Link is out of reach due to store not supporting new app publishing

[toxic wasp]

I mean.. i dont see why meta would actively break whats working..

So if their software works

And openvr doesn't change

[weak bluff]

As for price dropping i think its already rock bottom

[toxic wasp]

(which old headsets rely on)

I dont see it stopping to work, except perhaps a revised login on the meta app, that the old versions cant manage

But id hope meta would remove a login to use the link software

[weak bluff]

You can actually

OculusKiller is one way

Oculess is another way

Ah not headset side

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, thats fair. You cant get a mobile phone for 60€ and have it be semi modern- crazy that the quest 1 is at that price

[toxic wasp]

Exactly

I don't see issues except a software issue via a revisioned loginsystem or some crap like that

Cuz openvr wont change obviously

[weak bluff]

Plus price may increase due to 2 possible factor thet is due to rarity offsets supply making rare product expensive and possibility of it being hacked/modded/bootloader unlocked

[toxic wasp]

spotify car thing.
I wanted to get one to mod it, completely sold out.

[weak bluff]

Quest 1 will increase value not because of quality bb because of rarity or expanded functions

If you buy quest 1 then expect to upgrade within a year

Also most indie dev dont make PCVR games

They make Quest games

Because you make wayyy better money there

[toxic wasp]

You need to understand i live in jank.. i used cardboard vr + kinect + joycons for 2-3 years depending how you count it..

And im not out for money

Like

[weak bluff]

You know

Maybe dont make vr game?

Investing in vr without industry connection is a loss leader and waste of effort as a developer

[toxic wasp]

I develop my stuff to work for Win95.. that way they even work under Win11, atleast my desktop applications

I really really dont value my time

And i really like old weak jank stuff

I dont develop for money i develop for fun

[weak bluff]

Try out VRChat and learn about its dev community before try VR you will get a bridge to PC-to-VR experience

I make games in VRChat before port it to standard game

[toxic wasp]

Ive played around in vrchat with my cardboard vr setup, im really not scared of vr development

Ive written my own game engines and stuff

I only use C, OGL, Vulkan and the OS Calls

Written own abstractors

[weak bluff]

You know what game engine is dominated in VR?

[toxic wasp]

Unity likely

I don't plan to use unity

[weak bluff]

Unity and Unreal

[toxic wasp]

I wanna use Meta Quest's SDK

Not unity

[weak bluff]

Duh Unity uses Meta SDK

[toxic wasp]

Well yes

But i want to talk to the sdk directly

Not going to bother with unity

[weak bluff]

Try GoDot then

[toxic wasp]

..

Thats not one bit better

I write C code

The language that unity and Godot were made in

Or hell, even windows and linux is mostly C/C++

To put it differently, i make my own "Unity"

[weak bluff]

I admire your willingness to code in C but you are lone wolf in PC let alone PCVR

[toxic wasp]

Yes im a lone wolf

Im aware

[weak bluff]

That is not a complement

[toxic wasp]

Nobody codes for windows 95 either

Yet i do

[weak bluff]

I have nothing to say anymore

[toxic wasp]

Yeah like i dont understand why you're trying to tell me to use vrchat to make games or something, or unity

Aslong as sideloading, openvr (apparently thats what steamvr/pcvr is) still work, im happy

Aka, aslong as it wont become a brick, i dont particularly care that its gonna be EOL

The rift cv1 is interesting, but still kinda expensive, and all the sensors and such seem like a pain..

Very cable heavy

Thats the appeal i have for the quest 1, technically i could do whatever i want with the internal machine on it

And a extra bonus is that i can connect it to my pc and play VR games from my PC, on the oculus

[weak bluff]

I misunderstood who you are. Once you mentioned C, OGL, Vulkan I realised you are one of people that just have to be different, something else. We are not on same page, no need to be on same page.

Do whatever

[cold shard]

I mean, one of those is not like the rest. Vulkan at this point is just the normal cross platform graphics API. Making things work for win95 though, that's gonna severely hinder potential (and also wouldn't work with Vulkan...)

[pliant leaf]

It won’t on quest 1 I recommend saving for a used quest 2

[pliant leaf]

It already is a brick practically

[pliant leaf]

It won’t work with pc because the oculus app won’t work with it

[toxic wasp]

(it would work with vulkan, you essentially just need to wrap all the original windows files with your own wrapper files, and redirect all vulkan related stuff to your own kernel level code, ive done something simmilar before on XP)

[toxic wasp]

May i ask how so? Ive seen people on YouTube still use it for vr like 3 weeks ago or something like that

[devout trail]

Because the oculus app that holds the drivers for it are what enable it to work on a PC at all. Once they say release a new store version with a game or app you like and download it you could be downloading the version that removes the Q1 drivers. Yes there’s open source but it’s never the same. Nor is any of anything you purchased in the Meta app going to be able to be used on it anymore. Meta blocks updates and new app compatibility. There’s no practical reason to have one except to use it as a pcvr headset until the drivers are removed. It’s a brick.

Once it’s removed from the meta app it’s not going to be of any real use, parts are harder to find, and the hardware is showing its age in comparison to anything else. It’s slow and absolutely crap.

[pliant leaf]

All drivers and support for it on pc and standalone ba e been deleted from existence making it literally unusable

[pliant leaf]

I heard it already dosent work for pcvr because the app already doesn’t recognize it and you need that app to run anything on pc

[devout trail]

It works fine on PC still. Whoever told you that is dumb.

It’s had most of its app compatibility ripped out of the meta app. It’s basically good for a PCVR headset OR if you have a beat saber custom song log on it you want to keep.

[pliant leaf]

Well then it’s life isn’t gonna be much longer

[pliant leaf]

Again I recommend just saving for a quest 2

[devout trail]

Yeah nope it’s well on the way out the door. In standalone it’s very slow and choppy. It’s just too slow to be of practical use and has been upended by the Q2. For the price too there’s really no reason to bother with a quest 1 anymore.

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

Quest 2 is great that’s what I use

I got it recently for cheap

It was only $200 new

[devout trail]

It’s good for the price. Or entry level VR uses.

[pliant leaf]

I use it for msfs so it’s basically same as the quest 3 for pcvr

[devout trail]

lol the resolution is much higher and way better lenses. It’s nothing like a q3.

[pliant leaf]

The resolution is almost the same the lenses are the one place you could argue that

[devout trail]

That combined with the resolution and refresh rate make a whole lot of difference.

[pliant leaf]

Refresh rate is the same……

Both are 120

[devout trail]

Yes I know I own both.

[pliant leaf]

The only thing I dislike about my q2 is that on the edges of the screen it’s really distorted which is the lenses I believe

[devout trail]

It’s the combination of all three. The lens along with res and refresh all play an impact on how the image looks. This also only applies on standalone apps as when you’re using link you get compression no matter which quest you’re using.

For MSFS on quest they all have low image quality just because of how the image gets to the display. Unless you’re on a native PCVR headset it’s going to look significantly worse just because of it being a standalone/wireless device. Can’t beat a good ol direct DP connection. Index FTW! lol

[toxic wasp]

quest 2 is outside my comfort zone for starting a hobby. too expensive.

[toxic wasp]

i dont plan to play modern quest games on the quest, mostly interrested in superhot, perhaps beatsaber, and waltz of the wizard. if i would be unable to use my purchases later on, i would not be afraid to pirate them back onto the quest, even if its a older version. otherwise, i dont plan to update the oculusapp on the PC, so i dont think i need to worry about the drivers dissapearing, because as far as i understand, vr games on a pc use the openvr stuff, so, aslong i have the old openvr drivers installed, it should work fine, no?

[pliant leaf]

It’s as budget as you can get for a working vr headset

[toxic wasp]

well, the rift cv1 looks better tbh

like atleast that thing isnt 4x the price

and once again, it just seems that aslong one doent update and meta doesnt do some stupid login bullshittery, i dont see why it would stop working-

[pliant leaf]

That’s a little better than q1 but it’s still on its way out the door

[pliant leaf]

You do know you need a meta account just to use it right?

[toxic wasp]

how is it on its way out if all it is, is a screen, some sensors, and a controller?

[pliant leaf]

Support for it

[toxic wasp]

why would a screen, sensors, and controllers need active support?

[pliant leaf]

Because they are always running threw metas app

[toxic wasp]

controller software and screen spftware can reach a final state-

[pliant leaf]

Yes but after awhile of Being there they fully drop it and make it all unusable

[toxic wasp]

yes, but if i just run old meta apps, that in the end just speak to a non changing standart (openvr), whats there to break?

[pliant leaf]

It will literally just stop working

[toxic wasp]

only because they drop it, i dont need to, do i? i can just choose not to update

like

you can bypass the quest 1's login stuff

[pliant leaf]

No it’s not a update it’s just it literally will be a paper weight it dosent matter if you don’t update it

[toxic wasp]

no you dont understand

liek

what im trying to say

PC VR games-

they use a standard controller api

no?

[pliant leaf]

Yes they have to run threw metas pc app

And once the app dosent recognize the headset it’s over

[toxic wasp]

and a standard display out api thingy, no?

yeah

just dont update the app

[pliant leaf]

That’s not how it works

[toxic wasp]

yes it is??

[pliant leaf]

It dosent matter if you update it or not it just WILL NOT WORK

[toxic wasp]

the app wont need to support newer headset firmware, as the headset is EOL, and the standarts that PC VR Games use, isnt changing-

so why would not updating

not stop it from breaking??

the old app still will recognize the old headset

it will still link

it will still provide all the standarts that pc games that are vr want to use-

and so..

where is the thing that breaks?

[pliant leaf]

Because it wouldn’t be a update that breaks it

[toxic wasp]

is the headset just going to explode or what

[pliant leaf]

The drivers

[toxic wasp]

the drivers are the app.

[pliant leaf]

No it will become a paperweight

[toxic wasp]

dont update the app, dont update the drivers.

[pliant leaf]

Not fully

[pliant leaf]

The drivers auto update

You can’t use the app without the drivers

[toxic wasp]

its like with old mp3 players, use old software on old windows, and itll work

[pliant leaf]

Making it unusable

[pliant leaf]

…that’s not at all how it works

[toxic wasp]

you know you can lock driver updates, right?

or even roll back drivers

[devout trail]

Not when it’s built into the app.

[toxic wasp]

THEN DONT UPDATE THE APP

wth?

[devout trail]

You can’t do any of that with the meta devices

Then you can’t use most apps or games then?

[toxic wasp]

why not??

[devout trail]

You only like VR stuff from 2016?

[toxic wasp]

yes so?

that superhot, beatsaber and waltz of the wizard

[pliant leaf]

Those have been updated since and won’t work

[toxic wasp]

(and no, not 2016, but rather the date that the quest goes EOL)

[devout trail]

Beat saber loses quest support in November…..no updates no new song packs and no online use.

[toxic wasp]

i still see people playing it,, worst case, ill sideload odler versions..

[pliant leaf]

Steam vr will still work tho

[toxic wasp]

bold to assume id want to use online, or that i wouldnt use beatsaber via my PC

yea

steamvr/pcvr/whatever the fuck you wanna use

[devout trail]

Quest version dude. SteamVR games don’t lose support lol

[pliant leaf]

But for steam vr you need the quest app support to open it

[toxic wasp]

NO, im talking about Quest side and PC/Steam side.

[pliant leaf]

Which once it’s dropped it won’t work

[toxic wasp]

yeah, use the old version, steam will launch vr even with the old meta software

[pliant leaf]

You can’t use old versions tho

[toxic wasp]

steam doesnt care if meta isnt updated

[toxic wasp]

why not-?

whats stopping me

[pliant leaf]

No but it won’t work

[pliant leaf]

The app and drivers

[devout trail]

Bold to assume you’d use it any realistic way? No you’re just trying to say whatever you can to make the quest 1 seem like the appropriate purchase. You can’t use the oculus device on steam VR without the meta app…..the app that holds the drivers

[toxic wasp]

the app wont know if there is new dirvers if i sandbox the app and block internet acces to just the meta app?

[pliant leaf]

You can’t do that

[toxic wasp]

yes you can

sandboxie plus

litterally a feature

[devout trail]

You can’t just sandbox it or whatever you want dude. Don’t you think people would do that and be making it known to keep the Q1 active? lol no.

[toxic wasp]

god.

[pliant leaf]

You need WiFi to run meta all and steam vr won’t run without meta app

[toxic wasp]

now i just wanna buy the q1 to prove yall wrong lmao

[devout trail]

You’re trying to say you have some secret way to make a q1 last forever. It won’t. Just facts.

[devout trail]

That’s been your objective the whole time…..telling people you code for windows 95 like that’s some kind of thing to be proud of lol

[toxic wasp]

ok, so: boot quest app through login with internet, then cut it. it wont be able to download new drivers. also, you could just dns block the download servers for the new drivers

[cold shard]

Mate, this fella is claiming to have solo developed Vulkan drivers. Projects amounting to 10000+ work hours by teams of developers at Nvidia, AMD, or Intel. I'm sure they can figure out a way lol

[devout trail]

Can’t see any new apps or programs either since can’t update lol

[pliant leaf]

No offense but we are the ones here with experience and you’re arguing all of our advice when you have no experience with this if you won’t listen to the facts then I’m not gonna help you can waste your money on the q1 which is a paper weight if you want

[toxic wasp]

atleast you can launch my software on god damn anythign youll run across

[pliant leaf]

Exactly he hasn’t

[devout trail]

Atleast? It’s not a plus dude. People don’t want slow ass useless computers….

Like wtf? Next you gonna say you use dialup over fiber too…..

[toxic wasp]

wrong, i have never claimed to have developed anything vulkan related, all i claimed was that i have passed vulkan calls to a alternative Kernel.

[pliant leaf]

If you won’t listen to any real advice then I can’t help you and I’m not gonna waste my time trying to help you from wasting your money on a paperweight

[toxic wasp]

you can imagine it like Wine fir Linux, but on windows.

[devout trail]

He has no understanding of how drivers work. I’d bet iVRy would just blow his little mind.

[cold shard]

This is just gibberish lol

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

[toxic wasp]

...

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

[toxic wasp]

ever wrapped a damn DLL?

like bruh

[devout trail]

No because we’re talking about VR….we don’t care

[toxic wasp]

yeah then dont claim to know whats gibberish or not about redirecting OS level syscalls.

[devout trail]

We don’t wrap DLLs in here bud….

[pliant leaf]

I ain’t even gonna hold anything against someone just unknowable able but what is annoying is someone who ain’t willing to learn from people who know what there talking about

[toxic wasp]

i do osdev as a sidehobby, mostly on the rasberyy PICO microcontroller, but ive done some x86 stuff aswell

[devout trail]

He’s just trying to get someone to say yes get a q1 make me something for windows 95 tell be the best. Just obstinent and oblivious to how the VR subsystems work on a PC.

[cold shard]

The Vulkan API isn't OS level syscalls. That's gibberish. There isn't an "alternative kernel", the code you'd need to reimplement is the Vulkan driver implementation.

[toxic wasp]

no, im trying to make ANY of you try to explain how a driver thats already installed, and works, is supposed to RANDOMLY stop working, if i litterally dont touch it.

[pliant leaf]

I think he’s trying to sound cool

[toxic wasp]

HOW does something break if i do NOTHING

[devout trail]

It doesn’t. But then you are locked to that day and before with VR making it absolutely useless to own.

Yes you can go download a version and have it work. But will it do anything relevant for its use……no.

[toxic wasp]

bro, youre way out of your leage with this. i litterally have allowed XP to run Windwos 10 applications, simply by wrapping the whole OS in redirection DLLs, and running a Linux kernel "VM" to handle the devices that XP cant handle natively. i know what im talking about

[toxic wasp]

okay, FINALLY. so OLD GAMES that have been released before that, and games that i develop on my own, will just continue to work, RIGHT??

[pliant leaf]

….thats not hard and at the end there your just speaking gibberish

[devout trail]

It will be superseded by something else in the future. Same reason why you see even older HMDs lose support. Users want more and eventually want more than the current iteration can deliver so something new is created. Something new and better. Not something taped and glued together from the bones of old devices like this dude wants to do.

[pliant leaf]

Yes if you don’t use pcvr

[devout trail]

On that one machine. Not any others. Never useable to anyone else….useless.

Developing on outdated hardware and software for……no one?

[toxic wasp]

NOT THAT HARD PFF. tell me about it. you need to bypass multiple levels of windows security, i ber you havent even heard of the "KnownDLLs" paths or simmilar

[toxic wasp]

bro, thats all i want.

i dont care for others.

[devout trail]

Ok so buy one and go hobble in the corner with it. No one cares.

[toxic wasp]

also, have you seen the homebrew scene? no shit, they are all manually sideloading stuff.

[devout trail]

Yep and it requires certain things. Go see how every beat saber update was breaking mods one after the other. Sideloading isn’t great either lol

[cold shard]

You can't just wrap some DLLs and get a magic compatibility layer and Vulkan driver impl out of nothing. Who's impl are you linking to??

[devout trail]

Just for most who don’t care to actually pay devs for their work.

[pliant leaf]

Bro you don’t seem to understand the basics of how pcvr works

[toxic wasp]

then why can i use stone age TrinusVR to use cardboard vr, ot play the newest pc vr games still?

[toxic wasp]

bro i was talking about onboard vr there, inside the q1

[toxic wasp]

yeah no shit that it isnt "just wrap some dlls", ive worked like 3 years on it, the codebase is like 3gb with all the snapshots and stuff.

[pliant leaf]

Look feel free to play around with the q1 and the 2 games that work on it but please don’t complain when it dosent run everything

[devout trail]

Dude just go buy one and do your thing. No one here sees real use out of outdated useless hardware except you. Go enjoy apps we all already did years ago.

[toxic wasp]

i never said i would complain, all i asked is "can i play quest 1 games forever on its hardware" and "can i also continue to use the pc link feauture thing or whatever its called , to play modern vr games on my pc, and stream it to the q1", and the latter one seems to be a "yes but youll need to find a way to force the older drivers and apps to stay installed"