virtual-reality

[weak bluff]

Thinkzed

is it worth it

[rapid otter]

Nah

Does it even have pancake lenses ?

[weak bluff]

i never used pancake and as long i dont use it i cant feel downgrade

but cmon

this is better deal than DPVR

[haughty thistle]

Whatever that AliExpress listing is, I can't see it anymore

For me personally it's a toss-up between pancake and fresnell optics. I don't think either one is an upgrade over the other. They both have terrible glare issues (one is fixed pattern, the other is floating ghosts). Sure Aspheric optics have their own issues with distortions, but everytime I come back to a headset with aspheric lenses after having used one with different lenses it feels like a breath of fresh air...

[wet tundra]

I use a Samsung Odyssey+ and I'm pretty sure my eyelashes touch the lens

I had to take off the face padding, but it solved almost all of my focus issues.

Main focusing issue with the Odyssey is... There is no focus adjustment.

Iirc, the online documentation says to increase the tightness of the headband to bring the lenses closer to your eyes to adjust focus...

[weak bluff]

You need digital ipd?

Digital adjustment

[wet tundra]

Ipd is analog via a wheel

But that's the only real adjustment

[weak bluff]

Maybe you have myopia?

Get prescription lens i guess?

[wet tundra]

Is that what using a focus wheel means?

I just assumed everyone uses focus adjustment

[weak bluff]

No not all headsets have it

[rustic garnet]

Pico neo 3

[wet tundra]

But yes, i do have corrected vision

[weak bluff]

Majority don't have it

[wet tundra]

Yeah, I found that out when i bought the Odyssey+. I'm glad i didn't pay over 300 Dollars for them...

[rustic garnet]

the only headset i know of with adjustable focus is the gearvr

[weak bluff]

Also htc vive has it

[wet tundra]

Lol, the only "headset" I've ever been able to afford is gearvr...i guess that explains a lot

Also, those 5 dollar phone Holders all seem to have it

But maybe that's just to make up for bad design or tolerance

I guess this is what i get for buying a low-mid range hmd instead of a sub-low range hmd

It would be nice if Samsung had an app for Android that let you use an hmd connected to a phone.

The cables pretty much already exist on the market in the form of dex cables

[rustic garnet]

Phone headsets have really simple optical setups

like

embarrassingly simple

and the whole rest of the system too

[wet tundra]

The lenses on the Odyssey are very specifically shaped

[rustic garnet]

no electronics or tracking or anything

[wet tundra]

I mean, i think that was the idea of cardboard

[rustic garnet]

and the vive is famously bulky

[wet tundra]

But yes, the odyssey is so much better at tracking and stuff. And the resolution is probably much higher

Only disappointing part I've experienced is the passthrough cameras are really bad... Or at least the image is when i peak into the real-world to see my desk

[rustic garnet]

wait when did you buy this

[wet tundra]

Lol, i love when im in desktop mode and i can look at something really closely by drawing it "near "my face""

6 or 7 days ago

[rustic garnet]

did the person selling it tell you microsoft is dropping support in 2026

[wet tundra]

Steam vr seems to work fine.

[wet tundra]

The employees typically don't know these things, but i did read about that somewhere. As long as steamvr and openwhatever keep working, I'll be fine. I barely even use the Microsoft side of the device

Also, despite it being a "mixed reality" device, I've only ever used it as an hmd, not an AR device.

[rustic garnet]

Steamvr needs microsofts driver too

also which employee??

the oddysey isnt sold new anymore i assume you bought it used

[weak bluff]

it was never capable of mixed reality to begin with so you cant even if you want to

as Linus rants it https://youtu.be/VCqfs6yg2XU?si=_Y-iTWgXdLa2CgQr&t=279

[wet tundra]

You want the name of the employee who was at the register or the name of the employee who opened the case for me?

[wet tundra]

I kinda got that feeling from the quality of the video when I "peaked" at the outside

[wet tundra]

I did buy it used

[weak bluff]

oddysey i say is underrated

rare OLED headset

[wet tundra]

it works well enough for me

[weak bluff]

its actually good

too shame it will lose support soon

[wet tundra]

I would also describe it as "good", but im not "experienced" as the kids would say

[weak bluff]

if you are first time user, any PCVR headset will be pretty decent

[wet tundra]

well, that sucks. So in 2026 Microsoft is gonna force an update that deletes the drivers?

[weak bluff]

after that, its hard to satisfy when upgrade is not big enough

[wet tundra]

plus im poor, so i probably won't ever buy one again

so, when 2026 rolls around, all the PCVR equipment will stop working on windows?

[weak bluff]

no

Windows Mixed Reality headsets will stop working after this year update for Windows 11

and by 2026 for Windows 10 you should not use it

[wet tundra]

"should not use it"?

Will it send me into a coma or something?

Will I get stuck in a mediocre MMORPG?

[weak bluff]

no but Windows 10 will stop getting security update

specifically October 14th 2025

[wet tundra]

oh, you mean W10...not the headset

[weak bluff]

yes you can still use WMR on Windows 10 until security update stops then you should not use it

that is expected unless microsoft gets annoying and remove it on windows 10 for some reason

[wet tundra]

imagine if someone kept using WMR afte the security updates stopped and they got hacked and went into a coma

[wet tundra]

im gonna go to sleep instead of doing vr right after being awake for 12 hours and see if that makes it any less grating

[rustic garnet]

From where??

[wet tundra]

a local place that sells things used

is used electronics really that foreign in some places?

I mean, Amazon literally exists...

[little plinth]

Very common in my country, but people usually buy it via either personal meetup or e-commerce app. People only buy new items on physical stores

Mostly because physical shops mark things up too much for used items

[wet tundra]

After Microsoft starts sending out the update to retroactively delete drivers to stop WMR devices from working and sending dozens of users into comas, could they still pursue legal action if say, Samsung made their own driver for their phones or for PC?

[weak bluff]

no

as long they dont use MS trademark

which Monado is working on it

[wet tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/342776765397204993/1225162698615033939/20240403_121106.png

that feel when you don't really use guns in real life, but everything you know tells you to keeps your guard up

i gotta figure out why aiming with iron sights isnt working

is the gun model not actualy designed with actual sights and using the model's sights not actually useful?

[wet tundra]

I'm trying to figure out a way to capture the headset image. So far Steam's Screenshot function works...until it magically stops responding to the hotkey.

it would be nice if I could tell windows to mirror the headset video to a screen

[eager mesa]

I run vrchat on a 3050 8gb, ask me anything

[haughty thistle]

Capture as-in video capture? You can use the OpenVR Input Plugin for OBS to capture the raw SteamVR compositor output (in full res). From there you can crop it down to 16:9 and record/stream it...

[wet tundra]

No, I just wanna be able to get screenshots. I have a 3 button pedal I can assign hotkeys to.

[haughty thistle]

[wet tundra]

is there something that doesnt require me to set up OBS just to make screenshots?

I'll probably just try to get steam screenshots working better

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, for screenshots I don't really know a better option then the "SVR dashboard + trigger" combo for screenshot...

[wet tundra]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2039567954

[haughty thistle]

A lot of games also have a 2D desktop output you could screenshot

[wet tundra]

F12 is the default key for screenshots, which works "great"(no PNG) until it stops responding. And I know it isnt the pedal because Chrome still responds to it

[wet tundra]

i think the desktop is limited to 1080p

[weak bluff]

is there penalty for capture card on VR headset?

[haughty thistle]

It won't work

Headsets with HDMI and DP generally use DDM and the driver identifies the headset by it's EDID and only init to a screen with a matching EDID. As the capture card will have a different EDID the driver won't work

There are some exceptions, where the rendered image is just dropped to a desktop and the headset shows up as just another screen (the PSVR1 drivers generally work that way), but iirc even the OG Vive with DDM disabled still won't work with the HDMI going through a capture card...

[wet tundra]

What about devices that can clone EDID?

Are there any splitters that pass through EDID of one of the displays?

1890x945

it's not full res, but it's ok...i guess

ah, that was just the VR Home or whatever

in-game it's 2328x1165

https://github.com/BOLL7708/SuperScreenShotterVR/releases

no noticable stutter when using periodical(10 second) ss

i call this one "The Reach Around To The Balls"

[wet tundra]

Always practice gun safety and make sure your gun is clear by visually inspecting the barrel

[rustic garnet]

honestly if the quest 2 was available for 200 usd here i would so buy one

[dull tide]

Weee. New eye prescription. Time to buy new lens inserts

[scenic snow]

Anyone know if it's possible to play steamvr games on quest but using the quest for rendering?

[wet tundra]

is the QuestVR an x86 device?

does the quest itself run Linux? and and you insteall SteamOS on it?

[eager mesa]

quests use ARM

they are not x86 sadly

[wet tundra]

can we install Linux on it and maybe get SteamOS working?

[scenic snow]

They run android, which is based on Linux. They're really locked down though and I doubt you can do anything with it

[wet tundra]

Is SteamVR an android app?

[scenic snow]

No?

[amber sleet]

steamos is based on arch linux

[scenic snow]

Actually you can sideload updates

It's possible to do something with that maybe?

It does have secure boot enabled with no obvious way to disable it though

[amber sleet]

either way steamos is using the x86 architecture so good luck having it on arm

[wet tundra]

Congrats, you answered your own question

[wet tundra]

"sideload update" might just be them missusing the term "sideload" and what that axtually is is just "update manually from a user provided file"

[scenic snow]

Not really. I asked if there was a way to use the quests processor for graphics rendering while running a game on machine already running steam vr. It was you that started talking about running steamos on the quest itself

[wet tundra]

You want to use the Quest as an externam graphics co-processor for your PC?

[wet tundra]

Depends on what graphics you are rendering...Are you talking like, helping the game render things? or are you talking about like having an overlay hud?

also, does the device have two different video paths for the "android" part and the pcvr part?

if the video path for the PCVR mode is totally different than the "andoid" part, then there might be nothing you can do

[scenic snow]

Basically just rather than the PC doing the rendering itself, it just sends the raw video data to the quest which does the graphics rendering, the game itself (logic and stuff) is still handled by the pc

[wet tundra]

You wanna do some sort of SLI link from the PC to the Quest?

[scenic snow]

Basically yeah

[weak bluff]

Answer: No you cannot play any PCVR on standalone Quest.

Not possible. And never will.

Sideload is for update. It is impossible to install any other OS.

[weak bluff]

No. Because bootloader is not unlocked.

All you can do is factory reset and update.

Even if unlocking bootloader is possible it will be as impossible as trying to run PCVR on a phone with extra steps.

[rustic garnet]

so you want to send drawcalls over wifi??

why

[little plinth]

Pico can have its bootloader unlocked though without any TWRP for pico can't do much

[weak bluff]

Pico has another problem that no one bothers making custom software for it

[wet tundra]

Wait, the device he's talking about doesn't even have a PCVR mode...wtf? That makes his original question really weird...like "use the quest for rendering". Of course it's gonna be used for rendering...it's the device.

[weak bluff]

no that is not possible

if that was the case, dual gpu or dual cpu would have been popular

[wet tundra]

i have no idea who you are responding to...

[weak bluff]

i mean you cannot offload workload on quest

well

[rustic garnet]

i mean

[weak bluff]

or at all

[rustic garnet]

you probably can

but

[wet tundra]

right. the quest is THE DEVICE itself

[rustic garnet]

there's no point

Performance will be completely handicapped by transfer latency

[wet tundra]

so him asking if you can make the quest do the rendering seems weird

[weak bluff]

what is quest suppose to render ¯_(ツ)_/¯

the game?

[rustic garnet]

And the gpu in the quest is dog slow compared to anything in a full pc

[wet tundra]

so is the quest a self-contained device or a PCVR device?

was the other pwerson not telling the truth?

[weak bluff]

if you think it is easy to offload workload externally for gaming then it would solve so many problems

its a standalone device not capable of PCVR

[rustic garnet]

Both

[weak bluff]

all it does is decode video from PC

when playing PCVR

[rustic garnet]

yeah

[wet tundra]

you approach two discord users. one always tells the truth...

[weak bluff]

the PC does heavy lifting and send video to quest

[rustic garnet]

Everything renders on the pc like any other pcvr headset and then it's streamed (over usb or wifi) to the headset

[wet tundra]

so it's a wired(or unwire) "remote"play device for VR?

[weak bluff]

yes

[rustic garnet]

Yeah it works the same way as steam link

if youre familiar

[weak bluff]

it does not process anything but decoding video data sent from PC

[wet tundra]

so it's essentially a PCVR device, someone just wants to be contrarian

[rustic garnet]

It also has built in processing

you can run games on it by itself

but it's a phone soc so not very demanding games

[weak bluff]

it can play PCVR if its connected to PC and stuff are rendered in PC

[wet tundra]

how bad? Equal to a SD400? or closer to SD800?

[rustic garnet]

what

[weak bluff]

Snapdragon 865 for Quest 2

[rustic garnet]

Oh

idk I've been told it's almost on par with a gtx 1050

[wet tundra]

that's not horrible, but i guess it would also depend in the GPU...if that's a seperate part

[rustic garnet]

it's not horrible for sure

But considering you can cram a card with literally ten times the performance into a pc

[weak bluff]

its not just GPU its also CPU and RAM

VR is an all rounder heavy

[wet tundra]

I could prabably play some PS2 games on it, but i would expect magical reductions in FPS occasionaly

[weak bluff]

there is a way to run emulators

without PC on Quest 2

[wet tundra]

so, it has a 855, runs android, but can't run emulators

[weak bluff]

865 custom android

it can run emulators

[wet tundra]

Menaced — Today at 6:32 AM
there is a way to run emulators
Menaced — Today at 6:33 AM
it can run emulators

that was fast

[weak bluff]

there is a way but

you have to sideload emulator

[wet tundra]

or install it using an APK

[weak bluff]

yes that is ewhat i mean sideloading

[wet tundra]

i know. i was just being pedantic

[rustic garnet]

wdym

these are the same statement

[wet tundra]

i cant read

[rustic garnet]

same 💔

[wet tundra]

so, like i was gonna say before i got distracted by that other person's amazing question

So far, I've been using my Odyssey+ with no facepad and the device is just resting on the bridge of my nose. It's not what I would call extremely comfortable, but I could easily use it for about 2 hours easily

[weak bluff]

you want a comfortable headset

[wet tundra]

thanks for letting me know?

i might buy some bridge pads

[rustic garnet]

Wait no facepad??

[weak bluff]

ok i thought you are looking into upgrading headset

[rustic garnet]

you mean you have plastic touching your face??

[wet tundra]

heck no,. im poor. im lucky i have this one

[wet tundra]

there's a rubber bridge pad built in. unless the rubber is made of plastic

[rustic garnet]

...

[wet tundra]

You mean where the pad should be? i think my eyeballs would touch the lenses before my face touched the spot where the pad attaches

[rustic garnet]

are you talking about just the bridge of your nose

[wet tundra]

"the device is just resting on the bridge of my nose"

i think so

[rustic garnet]

no i mean you do have the big ol C-shaped pillow around the rest of your face right

[wet tundra]

I think, for me, the minor discomfort of having the device on my nose far outweighs the vast improvement in focus, and how secure it is from moving on my face

[rustic garnet]

wait it's a wmr headset aren't those all halo designs

[wet tundra]

I do still have it in my possession. It's in the paper bag I got from the store when i bought it

[weak bluff]

not all

[rustic garnet]

is this it

[wet tundra]

yes

[rustic garnet]

Bro put it on wth

[wet tundra]

why?

[rustic garnet]

Because

it makes the headset comfier?

[wet tundra]

i dont think playing with blury visuals counts as "comfier"

[rustic garnet]

that's unrelated

but ok

do you use glasses normally or what

[wet tundra]

ive tried it both ways. it's more comfortable to play without the pad

[rustic garnet]

meh alright

[wet tundra]

"normally", yes

[rustic garnet]

you can get lens inserts for vr headsets

prescriptions

[wet tundra]

if i ever decide to double the cost of the device, i'll think about it

[rustic garnet]

Oh and i didn't think about the fact that halo designs don't put pressure on your face

halos are kinda hit or miss imo all the ones ive tried haven't fit nice on my head

[wet tundra]

what is the other option beside a halo?

[rustic garnet]

straps

in my experience they rest the weight more evenly across the head

being slightly flexible

[wet tundra]

Would wearing my glasses be almost as good as using the lens inserts?

[rustic garnet]

Especially vs halos with no top strap because then youre relying on the friction against your forehead to prevent the headset from sliding down

[rustic garnet]

Yup

provided you can fit them inside the visor

[wet tundra]

what if I just tape them to the inside?

jk

[rustic garnet]

there's also the concern of scratching them

either set of lenses

vr lenses are almost all plastic

eyeglasses can vary but are generally harder material i think

[wet tundra]

The first result for lens inserts is 69 dollars...im not sure i want to spend almost the same as I spent on the actual device on some accessory i appearently don't really need

[rustic garnet]

what's your prescription

[wet tundra]

omg, tmi

jk

i dont know...it's complicated

[rustic garnet]

meh just like do you have strong glasses

Because

you won't get 20/20 acuity in any current vr headset anyway

[wet tundra]

here we go. are you ready?

i went to the hospital a few years back and upon being released they set me up at a free clinic and i got a PCP and we did some thing and i ended up with some meds and then they offered to get tested for a eye perscription and i agreed and we went through all the eye tests and stuff and in the end the doctor only gave me a half-strength perscription because she was "afraid if I got the full perscription i would not like them and stop wearing them". so now i had half-strength perscriptions. and she said to come back in a year to get the full strength. but in about 6 or 9 months the free clinic basically told be to "f off"(they gave me some info on some lower cost clinics). And they implied i should stop going to them...,but they also still continued to give be phone calls to schedule appointments with them...(wtf, im confused).
So, now i have some half-strength glasses and if I want to get a real prescription, i'd basically need to seek out a whole new optometrist .

[rustic garnet]

😨

[wet tundra]

i warned you

i think the best part is that going to s free clinic implied i was poor, and forcing me to buy a whole extra set of glasses kinda is counterintuitive

[restive zodiac]

does anyone have 13600k and 4080/4070 combo?

4000 is a out of my budget for now but I might get one of those cards a few months from now

[restive zodiac]

it's fine as long as it's not intensive

sweat+blind spot, I pretty much have to wipe my glasses while playing sim racing/ shooters kek

if my prescription were stable I would have personally shelled out for the inserts

[rustic garnet]

i was just wondering how strong your glasses were bc if it's anything below like +/-2 it's probably not even gonna make a perceptual difference anyway

[restive zodiac]

oh my vision is fucked up

[rustic garnet]

because the panels and optics in the headset are worse

[restive zodiac]

-6 ish both eyes

I am using q2

[rustic garnet]

not u i was talking to the other guy

[restive zodiac]

my bad

[wet tundra]

dont worry, i have no clue anyway

[rustic garnet]

no but like

can you see without glasses

[wet tundra]

i do have a picture of the machine tho...i could probably read that

[wet tundra]

am i legally blind?

if im blind...i dont think glasses would help

[restive zodiac]

does your clinic cover that?

[wet tundra]

i dont have a clinic

[rustic garnet]

im saying bc u have just +1 and astigmatism and my headset has such low res pixels and such fresnel lens glare it doesn't even look better when I'm wearing my glasses

[restive zodiac]

because you should get your eyes checked every 6 months to a year ish anyways

[wet tundra]

could i die?

It's been like 3-4 years since i had my eyes checked

am i gonna be ok?

[restive zodiac]

I probably would have gotten run over if I have't replaced my precription at least every year lol

but some people have a stable prescription

just get it checked because it's been a while

not even for vr, it will make your life much nicer

[wet tundra]

I'll do that immediately. Thank you

[restive zodiac]

also if the inserts are out of your budget look into those fitness face interfaces

or turn on the ac I guess lol

[wet tundra]

why? is it hot?

[restive zodiac]

it depends on the headset

q2 could get unbearably hot if it's really intensive

[wet tundra]

it's completely open. and the lack of a sealed pad means the air flows freely

[restive zodiac]

I pretty much sweat buckets while playing f1

[rustic garnet]

Damn that actually sounds nice

[restive zodiac]

but also take my experience with a grain of salt because I live in a f'ing desert

[rustic garnet]

feels so gross playing beat saber and drenching the foam in sweat

[wet tundra]

Which one?

[restive zodiac]

yeah it's perfect for cardio games

I wouldn't sim race with it though, because it lets more light in

[restive zodiac]

which desert?

[wet tundra]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/AZ_NM_ecoregions.gif

Point to on the map where the desert touched you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoran_Desert

[restive zodiac]

I am not american

[wet tundra]

UAE?

[restive zodiac]

I am middle eastern, to make it as simple as possible I live in southern Israel

[restive zodiac]

close

[wet tundra]

is that near Jordan? im american. i dont know geology

[restive zodiac]

I wanted to avoid specifying where I live because of the drama it causes everytime I mention it

[wet tundra]

hold on, lemme google where israel is...hopefully google believes in israel

[restive zodiac]

I'm not even mad lol because I won't be surprised if some american journalists don't even know where israel is supposedly is

[wet tundra]

i just assumed it was like north of UAE and maight be close to africa in some way, but east of Germany and west of china

[restive zodiac]

wait you weren't joking

[wet tundra]

im american. we never joke

anyway. im sorry if i offended you by not knowing where you country is

[restive zodiac]

I am not offended it's fine

I am just surprised

[wet tundra]

i also say "soccer"

bwahahaha

[restive zodiac]

you really know how to press my buttons

[wet tundra]

you want a real opinion about soccer?

[restive zodiac]

I find it hilarious that I was offended more by the soccer part lol

[wet tundra]

Any size below 4 is a novelty size and should never be used for a game.

[restive zodiac]

true but I hate everything below size 5

but I also grew up with size 5

[wet tundra]

i can agree with that

[restive zodiac]

but I am also really picky with my balls

the worst ball I am usually playing with is the ucl replica

[wet tundra]

Phrasing!

[restive zodiac]

haha I have done it on purpose

[wet tundra]

i should get some rest. i have a busy day of not going to work ahead of me today

[restive zodiac]

I've just realised how spoiled I am football wise, my dad bought me world cup replica balls lmao

[restive zodiac]

have a great one

[wet tundra]

Have you played that one Ubisoft bird game? It was "on sale" for 5 dollars, so i bought it...i imagine it probably has caused at least one person a neck injury

[restive zodiac]

no but the closest experience I had was getting a mikasa knuckleballed to my family heirloom

[wet tundra]

My real challenge in the long run is finding a way to play beatsabre with this 4 meter cable

[restive zodiac]

index?

[wet tundra]

Odyssey+

[restive zodiac]

oh

I can't go back to wired unless I am sitting

[wet tundra]

my current best idea(that im gonna hate actually doing), is move my tower to the other side of my table closer to where my bed/ projector are, and then face away from the computer to maximised the cable

[wet tundra]

all of my VR has been sitting

[restive zodiac]

I guess it also depends on the game

while playing sim racing and beat saber you arms are in front of you so you don't notice the cable at all

[restive zodiac]

is your pc on your desk or something?

[wet tundra]

does a folding table from costco count as a desk?

you know...im afraid to ask where you "tech people" would think to put a Pc besides, "on the place where the monitor is".

[restive zodiac]

oh damn Odyssey+ has a proprietary cable

[wet tundra]

"lol, duh, you mount it to the wall behind your monitor"

[restive zodiac]

I forgot about this part

[restive zodiac]

it's the equivalent of hiding the router in a drawer

[wet tundra]

if my geology is correct, to maximise the cable, i should put the PC on a bookshelf about shoulder height

[rustic garnet]

not really

[restive zodiac]

technically you could plug it into a laptop and stream it from your desktop

but I am not sure if the latency is worth it

[rustic garnet]

The cable will drag down on you

[restive zodiac]

but it surely beats yanking your desktop into the floor

[rustic garnet]

Optimally it should be on the floor as close to the rear corner of your space as possible

For cable reach that is

floor computers are

[wet tundra]

does the cable cease to have weight when it originates from another elevation?

[rustic garnet]

Yes because it rests on the floor for most of the run

[wet tundra]

Also...im american...everything on my drags down on me

[restive zodiac]

you'll also have more free space on your costoc folding table

I have no idea how you aren't concerened about your setup lol

it will probably fall apart one day with your shit

[wet tundra]

ive been mostly sitting my entire PC usage...so...it's been fine

[wet tundra]

do thinks just fall apart for some reason?

[restive zodiac]

yeah

https://i.gifer.com/ZM8m.gif

[wet tundra]

Oh yeah, that's why there's a tripod under one side

[dusty basalt]

Rate my vr setup

[wet tundra]

This game must have done really badly in sales for me to be second place...

[quartz horizon]

Hey guys I got a Dell Visor, and the eye cover thing is messed up, its like damaged and breaking apart, where can I find replacements, I tried looking online but I dont fully trust the results. I saw stuff about a 6mm HTC Vive eye cover fitting. Any suggestions from you guys?

[weak bluff]

yeahhhhhhhhhhh its impossible to find new replacement

try find if anyone have a good 3d printing model premade and pay a 3d printing service for it

like this one https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4569522/files

[wet tundra]

Who did you buy it from?

[quartz horizon]

Second hand on Facebook marketplace, noticed minor damage but no damage to the actual headset, just wear and tear to the foam

Controllers work fine

[quartz horizon]

Ugh I took off the old one, for the time being till I get a new one, how do I re attach it?

[weak bluff]

Idk

[wet tundra]

https://dl.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_electronics/esuprt_head_mounted_display/dell-visor-with-controllers-vrp100_User's-Guide_en-us.pdf

[quartz horizon]

Ugh I don't wanna read all that

XD

[wet tundra]

then dont...

[wet tundra]

does DP or HMDI have better length tolerances?

I'm already adapting from DP to HDMI for my headset.

Would I be better off using a 6 foot DP extension than a 6 foot HDMI extension?

[dull tide]

Argg. Time to buy new inserts at some point. My prescription went from +1.00 to +2.00

[void wagon]

DisplayPorts can reach a little over 6ft before losing quality but they greatly surpass HDMI in bandwidth and etc while HDMI can reach 30Ft+ offering more flexibility.

It depends more on the type of DP or HDMI and your situation. What cable are you planning to use?

[wet tundra]

I'm not planning on using a specific cable yet

I have a odyssey+ that's already using a dp to hdmi adapter

[eager mesa]

Hey if anyone of you guys knows anything about the rx 7600xt's vr performance please let me know

[weak bluff]

its mediocre overall

Will it run VR? Yes no problem. Just not best in category.

[wet tundra]

Is the 7600XT better or worse than the RX580. Because I'm using a RX580 with a Ryzen 5 2600, and VR seems to run fine

[weak bluff]

100% better

[eager mesa]

Over a 3050 8gb?

[weak bluff]

performance wise yes

absolutely

but worse encoder

[eager mesa]

Ok great because I play a hella lot of vrchat and I do need the vram

[weak bluff]

i dont think you will need up to 16

at 7600 xt level 12GB is enough

[eager mesa]

My vram usage on my 3050 gets almost maxed out

[weak bluff]

but that does not exist

even an RTX 4090 barely cross 12GB VRAM

[eager mesa]

Ok well it's more about having headroom more than anything

But thank you

[weak bluff]

4090 tested in public

12GB VRAM of usage

so a RX 6700 XT is a better value if you want to save bit more money

[eager mesa]

I've been considering it but the problem with the 6700xt is size, it's gonna be difficult for me to fit it in my case

Most models are 30+ cm and my case fits up to 32cm cards so I need some space between the card and fans

But again, thank you for the advice, you've been the most helpful so far

There's just so little information on the 7600xt out there so it just makes it impossible to get answers

I mean.. what card do you run vr with? Ans how's that?

[haughty thistle]

Testing in publics is basically meaningless. Your values aren't comparable unless all parameters but the one you're testing are identical...

And the # of people doesn't mean anything. They could all be very well optimized in the 3090 test and really badly optimized in the 4090 one...

The test in a private instance might be comparable, but then again, you don't know their testing methodology. That's what GN (and I guess LTT Labs now too) put so much focus on and transparency...

[cold shard]

Yeah, the nature of VRchat with user avatars makes testing in a public completely useless. All it takes is that one person whose avatar is equivalent to 20 typical avatars to make player count a useless comparative load metric.

[weak bluff]

this is the best data we have

since measuring is so hard

[cold shard]

It's really not that hard to test with a consistent load, just not in a public lobby.

[little plinth]

3080ti, can do stable 2544 per eye in some games

[eager mesa]

That is true, I can join a world with a few people and get 15 fps and then join a world with 40 people and get lkke 50 fps

[lunar ferry]

3080tie

[eager mesa]

Hehe 3080tie

[eager mesa]

the settings i run with my 3050

i'm also running VRSS through nvidia control panel

[lunar ferry]

I haven't used an Nvidia GPU in years (last time was a 1060 6gb)

Mostly what I'm asking is what is vrss?

[rustic garnet]

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-vrss-a-zero-effort-way-to-improve-your-vr-image-quality/

[eager mesa]

so uh- i found a spare gtx 760 and decided to run vrchat on it,

despite the beleifs to the contrary, it ran fine-ish

the 2gb vram filled up almost instantly and spilled over to system ram

turns out that an 8gb gpu should be the minimum requirements for vr

[rustic garnet]

vrchat*

Vrchat is an outlier and shouldn't be used to judge system performance in anything lol

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, was just about to say. Most VR games run just fine on 6GB of VRAM as long as you're not running some crazy high res headset...

(or a headset that needs it's image encoded on the PC, like the Quest or Pico)

[eager mesa]

idk why quest link even let me connect to my pc

[rustic garnet]

im getting the urge to buy more hardware again is the quest 1 even worth anything by now

[weak bluff]

if you are a collector yes for brand new

if you use it it better be really cheap

its a time ticking bomb of losing its usefulness fast

[eager mesa]

my school has like 8 quest 1's

i sometimes play them with the school laptop which let me remind you is a 2gb gpu

mx 570 if you're curious

[rustic garnet]

Well they can still use link right?

[rustic garnet]

i wouldn't say im a collector more of a hoarder really....

[weak bluff]

until updat breaks it

[oak quarry]

Im looking to get into VR, mainly PCVR, i was thinking the Quest 2 with a good link cable. Thoughts? Pc is more than capable just dont wanna spend $1000cnd+ on a decent set and have it sit ya know

[weak bluff]

then it is good as beginner headset

alternativel i recommend used valve index for great upgrade path

if you re new, even budget one wont disappoint you

[oak quarry]

kinda what i figured, i tried the valve index for like 30-40 mins and i liked it but wanted my own. but one day maybe but cool thank ya!

Obivous part is the tracking and display reso

but good to know its good for a begginer headset!

[rustic garnet]

isnt the quest 2 like the same resolution as an index

it's even higher

yeah the index is definitely aging

[devout trail]

The index may be aging but what keeps it holding that premium feeling is the FOV. It’s still massively larger than the quest 2. Even with a higher resolution you get more of the “goggles” effect on screen compared to the index. And the fact it has 2 screens per the quests single panel. You’ll catch the end of the quest screen edges in your view before you come close to the edges of the index fov.

[weak bluff]

also high refresh and wired makes it best at beat saber

[devout trail]

Dat tracking 🙂

[little plinth]

Reasons why quest 3 and Pico are much better than Q2

Index is closer to those two despite the lower res panels than it is to the Q2

[devout trail]

Yeah q3 has a pair of panels like the index. Much better than the Q2 they were comparing with. I mean I should hope so with the crap they did with the quest pro. I never have gotten to try a Pico headset yet. Havent heard anything bad though 🙂

But still I consider them all inferior just because of the tracking they use. I'd pick outside in over any standalone anyday. But I dont mind cables and extra setup stuff either as where others may hate it like my wife.

[weak bluff]

fun fact Quest 1 have same res as Index

[haughty thistle]

Resolution isn't everything when it comes to SDE, and neither is just FOV+Res relevant. The most important metric for SDE is actually pixelfill, but good luck finding actual specifications for that for any headset :/
But yeah, as Menaced said, Q1 and Index have the same on-paper res, tho the Index has about 33% more subpixels as the Q1 uses an RG-BG Diamond AMOLD subpixel arrangement while the Index has a more standard RGB-Stripe subpixel arrangement

[weak bluff]

so this?

does diamond feel lower res than it actually is?

[haughty thistle]

Not really tbh

You can tell that it has a worse pixel fill then other arrangement types tho

The OG Vive is prolly the worst offender of all headsets using such a panel, but in generall an RG-BG diamond subpixel arranegement generally looks to have worse SDE (even if just marginal like the Q1/VP1 compared to the Index)

[weak bluff]

So worse screen door effect

[rustic garnet]

microled vr displays when

[haughty thistle]

MicroOLED is just a display tech like OLED on Glass, LCD, Gas Plasma Discharge and CRT

It doesn't tell you anything about the pixelfill (or dot pitch on a CRT) and also nothing about the sibpixel arrangement (or chroma mask on a CRT)...

[vestal pewter]

I think once the finals stress is over, I'm gonna get a Meta Quest 2 as I'd like to get into VR. It's just 250 bucks at the moment

[rustic garnet]

250 where?

Its 200 USD flat on the facebook store

[devout trail]

Maybe a higher storage one he’s talking about in store still in stock?

[inland dome]

what's this game?

[wet tundra]

Eagle Flight. last I checked it was 5 dollars. Starts off as a bird simulator, but slowly become cird combat simulator...if birds had projectiles and shields

[cold shard]

It's not even a distinct display tech, it's really just a description. OLED but micro. The display tech used is OLEDoS (OLED on Silicon) for the two microOLED displays I've read about. Since micro is being used to describe the pixel size, it actually does directly indicate a better pixelfill than regular OLED.

[cold shard]

Not sure about microLED, but the AVP uses microOLED panels. And despite what apple marketing might like to say, it's a VR headset lol

[haughty thistle]

I mean, it just hints at a higher pixel density or at the very least a much smaller panel size. You can still have a $hit pixelfill with a high pixel density and vice versa...

But yeah, Oled on Silicon generally has a pretty good pixelfill

[haughty thistle]

There are some headsets that use MicroLED panels, but I can tell you from experience that local dimming in VR just kinda doesn't work. There's the Quest Pro, Pimax Crystal and the Varjo Aero. The last of the three uses the miniLED backlight to sortof chase the refresh and reduce display latency that way; so no local dimming.
The Pimax Crystal and Quest Pro both have local dimming and from what I've heard pretty similar between the two. What I can say for certain is that on the Quest Pro it basically boils down to "yes, the screen can be absolutely black if literally nothing is on screen". Just the tiniest white element and immediatly 2/3 of the screen lights up. It's honestly way more distracting then lens glare and such...

[real pasture]

what is better for vr: an iphone 13 or a quest 2 (asking for real, there is one guy who is deadass thinking that his iphone 13 is better for vr than a quest 2)

[haughty thistle]

Quest 2 ofc

PhoneVR was never good to begin with

[tacit zinc]

Hardware that is dedicated to that single purpose is always better than the hardware that is not intented for it, so yes, quest 2 by far is better for vr

[vestal pewter]

It's 250 CHF at digitec.ch ||CHF is swiss currency|| and it's for a new one

[weak bluff]

its apples and oranges but for vr, quest 2 any day

[rustic garnet]

lmaowhaaaaatttt

Why would he say that

[rustic garnet]

how many gigabytes is that and what does it cost on meta's store?

[vestal pewter]

It's the 128GB model, though I'd likely use it as just an interface

[weak bluff]

The iPhone loses because it does not have hardware to make vr despite being faster

Lacks position tracking is big issue

No lens no controllers

No hand tracking

No s9ftware to run it other than video viewing in cardboard mode

No hardware matter if it cannot have basic things that keeps you moving and tracked

Your friend may misunderstood what is needed to make vr good

If performance is all it needed, GearVR would still exist to this day

[crisp finch]

is the mocopi body tracker compatible with pc-vr ?

[weak bluff]

Yes

I don't recommend it tho

Very expensive for something worse than competition

[crisp finch]

and what about slime vr ?
i searching for a small / slim body tracking device that is relative affordable.

[weak bluff]

Its the best imu based fbt

However

[crisp finch]

?

[weak bluff]

Careful with DIY versions. Often they are ripoff because they cheap out on IMU, the chip that tracks rotation.

Read description. They must describe what IMU are used.

If they use MPU6050 or MPU6500, avoid avoid!

I saw someone attempted to sell MPU6050 in vket those are very low quality and should never be made

[crisp finch]

hm... and what can you recommend that is gyroscopic tracking, and relative small / slim ?

[weak bluff]

Join slimevr server they have more reliable sellers or buy official slimevr from crowdsupply

Or learn how to diy which just yesterday we made the first solder-free slimevr tracker

At just $160 for 10 point tracking full body wih elbows and feet

[crisp finch]

ooh... sounds nice

[weak bluff]

Just dont be afraid to ask in slimevr discord server

[rustic garnet]

oh yeah you can probably get vive trackers AND lighthouses for that price

[weak bluff]

Oh and read the docs first if you diy

[weak bluff]

Can be even cheaper if you buy used or hack a vive controller

[rustic garnet]

i believe it

[crisp finch]

yeah, but i have 2 problem with vive trackers:

• they are too big to be comfortable.
• they use laser tracking, so i can't cover it.

[weak bluff]

Yeah occlusion means you lose tracking out of sigh

Also battery life is poor

Slime keeps improving and you can fit as many battery as you can

[rustic garnet]

why is it called slime 🥴

[weak bluff]

SlimeVR idk

[rustic garnet]

yeah how flattering

[weak bluff]

They watched too much anime

Prob thats why

They call their office slime case

[crisp finch]

battery life is not an issue for me,
i mean, if you can fit a more quality battery in it, than you can upgrade the default battery life really quickly.

[weak bluff]

My trackers lasts 11 hours but i can fit twice size if i want to lol

And it will get even better

[crisp finch]

yeah. that's why i don't care about battery life. 🙂

[weak bluff]

There is experimental nrf version that lasts 60 hours at third of my battery size

More efficiency

[crisp finch]

wow. if the rest of the VR equipment would evolve that fast, we can live multiple days in a row in vrchat with the same equipment. 🙂

(i should replace the cushion on my headset for hygiene reasons)... but other than thats, it would be cool.

[rustic garnet]

woa what

[rustic garnet]

how'd they do that

that's like 18 times more efficient

[weak bluff]

300mAh lasts 43 hours

Its in #smol-slime channel

But it does not uses wifi it uses its own protocol

They use their own dedicated connection to save power

Since wifi chip is very power hungry

[crisp finch]

btw, i plan to spare my money for about 2 year, and then i could buy myself an ultimate VR kit:
here is what i seek out for myself:

• Headset: Bigscreen Beyond
• Controller: Bhaptic - Tactgloves
• Tracking: ???
• Treadmill: Catvr

and if it finally gets affordable, i plan to buy a full body haptic suit.
but currently, its either 2.000.000$, or its too sketchy to trust in the company...

[weak bluff]

What controller is that?

[crisp finch]

this:
https://www.bhaptics.com/shop/tactglove

but i only buy the gloves.

i heard it can be functional as a controller.

[weak bluff]

I dont know about that.

How much does it cost

Do they have actual demo of playing games with those or is it another etee controller limitation

[crisp finch]

in theory, it works with arm gestures...
and i only need it for vrchat anyway.

[crisp finch]

300$ / pair

[weak bluff]

Then how do you expect to move

[crisp finch]

the movement is via the catvr

[weak bluff]

There is a lot more than just that actually

Some worlds require you to move thumpstick to open menu

You also need to open scroll wheel menu

You have to figure how to open desktop menu without getting on desktop

[rustic garnet]

do they have force feedback or just touch feedback

[weak bluff]

Its a lot of extra learning curve

[crisp finch]

i think the gloves only has touch feedback.

[rustic garnet]

It says right there it doesn't track on it's own

[weak bluff]

Also in 2 years there are other more affordable and better quality gloves on the work from like LucidVR and ImmersiveDevices

[crisp finch]

hm... then i will rely on my body trackers / base station.

[rustic garnet]

For finger tracking????

[weak bluff]

Here is one of ImmersiveDevices demo

This is IMU tracked with Tundra Tracker

[rustic garnet]

wait who is this

[weak bluff]

They even managed to open menu and rotate thumbstick emulated

[crisp finch]

hm... not bad.

[weak bluff]

https://x.com/ImmersiveDevice?t=FPYW39u6fKgw7SxgYwnEow&s=09

Immersive (@ImmersiveDevice) on X

Maker of things, mostly VR tech.

Working on ImmersiveGloves, IMU based low profile gloves for social VR.

Twitter

[rustic garnet]

I looked into lucidvr a while ago how are they progressing

[weak bluff]

Check their discord

[rustic garnet]

so you guys ever notice how many more queer people there are in vr communities compared to the average tech space

[worn spoke]

nope.

[rustic garnet]

wow okay thanks for an interesting discussion

[soft gulch]

Nope, because there isn't more, you just notice them more easily

[rustic garnet]

what

How do you mean?

[soft gulch]

I mean exactly what I said

[rustic garnet]

How do you mean i notice them more

like what would you say is different about vr spaces that makes queer people stand out

[little plinth]

Got a chance to try the HTC Vive

It's... Shit ngl

SDE that's actually worthy to be called a screen door

Oh yea of course fresnel shit sweetspot

Comfort is very subpar

The wands are heavy pieces of dogshit

[weak bluff]

Its hard to enjoy HTC Vive if you tried better headsets

I almost downgraded to it

[rustic garnet]

the first one??

[little plinth]

Yes

The original vive

[rustic garnet]

well i mean it's approaching a decade

[rustic garnet]

Lol yea i was shocked how screeny the displays were compared to even the gearvr when i tried it

but that was also my first experience with roomscale and it was so cool just because of that

[soft gulch]

"<x> old thing is bad"
Wow so surprising

[little plinth]

I'm just sharing my experience. Ok?

Got something more useful to share?

Rather than annoying remarks

[rustic garnet]

fr who is this guy

The whole vive experience seems to be very clunky and sorta dev-kit like

[little plinth]

The headset itself yea it's bad by today's standard but my biggest complaint is actually the wands

[rustic garnet]

oh absolutely

[little plinth]

The headset itself, usable enough for me to rip beatsaber

But the wands

Ew no

[rustic garnet]

im getting flashbacks to all the early games which just inserted the physical vive controller as an in universe tool instead of even trying to do hand presence

[little plinth]

I wanna get something better than my pico 4 sometimes when possible

Though they're all $1k shit

Quest 3 is a sidegrade so i don't count it

[vestal pewter]

I just looked it up, it's only 11 CHF cheaper and it is currently discounted from 280 CHF (discounted it's now 239 while in my fav tech shop it's around 250 CHF)

[rustic garnet]

yeah go for it for sure

[real pasture]

i mean, ivry exists, it streams steamvr to your phone that then views it in a cardboard-like way

and it has 3dof tracking by default, and arcore 6dof (but its absolutely dogwater)

[weak bluff]

its not the same you dont get position tracking from it

[real pasture]

by dogwater i mean you need a powerful phone in the first place, and yes, it does overheat after like 20 minutes, also having mirrors in your room is a crime against arcore, plus it gets lost very often

here is an example

[cold shard]

SLAM is available through ARCore, but you can easily tell the tracking is quite low quality when you've got the phone strapped to your face. It's pretty obviously targeted at experiences where you're holding your phone out pointing at something.

https://developers.google.com/ar/develop/fundamentals#motion_tracking

[weak bluff]

dont show me those

show me actual demo of it working

i dont care those i know what arcore is

i saw Galaxy S8 with ARCore demo buit it never seen light of day

because its not practical

the quality is just not greta and without manufacturing put effort into support which they could but they gave up

[cold shard]

Excuse me? Go find it yourself if you actually care. I certainly don't lol

[weak bluff]

i cared and i foudn out you dont need to convinmce me that it can try arcore

[cold shard]

What are you even talking about

[weak bluff]

if you dont care then dont reply me with a ping

[cold shard]

You said it doesn't have position tracking. That is incorrect, camera slam and imu is available. At the end of the day it is quite low quality wrt to VR tracking so nobody really cares.

[weak bluff]

And? Did it actually do it?

No

and never will because manufacturers gave up actually making it possible

the existing hardware is not practical

it needs more than than

[cold shard]

It? Who is this it? This is a feature that is actually available today, at this very moment. It hasn't entered the google graveyard (yet).

[weak bluff]

stop showing me arcore because its not the actual solution

the solution is something else

The iPhone don't do position tracking the way industry standard asks. Sayign ARCore is position tracking is like iPhone lidar is a 3D scanner. Yesn't. I have better things to do. Im done.

[cold shard]

The iPhone? Google ARCore is not available on iPhones.

iPhone lidar is a dot projector deformation depth sensor like the Kinect v1. Such a depth sensor could be used with calibration data to produce 3D point cloud if Apple cared to provide that data. I personally don't care to learn about something I don't own so whether that's possible or not, idk. Knowing Apple, probably not.

[cold shard]

Ah, they do actually provide the calibration information to produce a 3D point cloud. Very cool, you successfully made me waste my time learning about something I don't have.
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/avfoundation/additional_data_capture/capturing_depth_using_the_lidar_camera

[rustic garnet]

@weak bluff did you not see this video

[real pasture]

thats an exmaple of it not working

i do have a bit better demo on my yt channel, i could post it here

https://youtu.be/da8n8UFceYE?si=ZEPfRm6Ruuo5K0yc

[vestal pewter]

I will, but only when finals are over (or maybe for the upcoming holidays, idk yet), but not now as I'm already distracted enough

[pale orbit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/04/09/vision-pro-owner-pain-complaints/

[rapid otter]

VR has been felling like this since the quest 2 is 200-250 new nowadays

Undeniably the best deal

[warm stirrup]

If only mine actually worked lmao

[signal snow]

i got it 300 new like a few years back

200 is crazy

[warm stirrup]

I got my 64gb for 300, spent 200 on upgrades for it, only for an update to brick the headset completely

[haughty thistle]

Should've put an Index there at the top lol
Sure, it's audio solution is still great and on the higher end it's one of the better all in one box deals you can get, but the Index is really starting to show it's age...
Yet there are people who still think the Index is the best headset on the market lol
Heck the Quest 3 runs circles around it...

[little plinth]

i don't get the audio part, can't you just use your own headset on the quest?

which invalidates the index better built in audio

[haughty thistle]

Oh trust me, no headphone will give you as much of a spacial audio feeling as the near field speakers you have on the Index. Period.

Sure, open-backs can get close, but nothing beats the Index from my experience

But sticking to an aging headset just for the audio solution isn't worth it imo. Besides, you can build mounts/adapters for Index speakers for a number of different headsets. Just usually requires some amp to get the audio level needed...

[hallow cliff]

yeah index audio is amazing but im starting to think it will be worth it to swap it out just because everything else is outdated

[rustic garnet]

Im pretty sure the index uses actual loudspeaker drivers not headphone drivers too

[amber sleet]

would make sense for that

it just hangs next to your ear

[little plinth]

i mean use your own headphones as in to get better audio quality

not that index audio are headphones

is it really that good?
like i doubt it'd be better than some 300 bucks headphones is it?

[signal snow]

the problem is wearing headphones with a quest

anything other than the stock strap is gonna make it hard to wear those headphones

[haughty thistle]

The Index speakers out of the box are better calibrated then some "professional grade" headphones, and certainly better then pretty much anything consumer you can get your hands on. At least for 300 bucks...

If you're really deep into audio and find some really good open-back headphones, then maybe they compare in terms of sound quality. But you just can't beat the sound stage and experience of speakers that float right next to your ears...

[rapid otter]

Honestly the Q2 are great I've been listening to music on em while playing some boneworks arena lately and it's fine...

Imo the best would be wired noise cancelation iem but afaik there's no high em anymore being made

[haughty thistle]

IEMs for VR are terrible. Half of the immersion equation is the sound, and IEMs have absolutely no sound stage, meaning it sounds like everything sounds like it's coming from inside your head :/
I don't have a Quest 2 or 3, so I can't say how the sound stage is on those, but with the Quest 1 everything sounded like it was coming from in front of me, which doesn't really help either. The Quest Pro is better in that regards, but it's kinda quiet, unless you use some 3D printed sound tunnels

[gray dome]

dt880 🗿

I'd like to try the index speakers somehow, but I think that entails having a whole index

and what I actually have is a rift S

but yes I agree with large soundstage and precise imaging being important for immersion in vr

[amber sleet]

ive been using iems on my q3 since my headstrap just limits me of using my headphones

it makes distorted sounds when just normally selecting stuff on the menu

but if i go to a game it just stops doing that

weird thing

it also sometimes also just works fine as its supposed to do

[drowsy egret]

hey can someone help me with my metta quest 2

[rose peak]

Meta customer support probably can

[little torrent]

is spending an extra 300 cad for a quest 3 instead of getting a quest 2 worth it?

[rustic garnet]

depends

What are you doing with it

[little torrent]

mostly gaming

[rustic garnet]

on pc?

[little torrent]

both

pc and standalone

mostly pc though

[rustic garnet]

quest 2 is solid and a really good deal

[rapid otter]

It never felt right for me to get stuff with the intent of returning it, not liking it can be a thing but you are lowering the value of his product voluntarily. I wouldn't want to have an opened Q3 on my hands because of someone's indecisiveness

You could just rent one for a day

[amber sleet]

depends on the product imo

from my experierince even big shops dont really let you try out the vr headsets, which makes it incredibly hard to know if thats something you want even then if you end up returning it someone else will just be happy for getting it a bit cheaper.

[static cosmos]

Looking for augmented reality goggles that I can mirror one of my displays to using Windows 11

Just want it to be reliable, wireless is a plus

Or actually any sort of HUD solution that meets these requirements

[rustic garnet]

Quest 3

[haughty thistle]

If it has to be AR (aka you see the actual real world with your eyes, rather then camera passthrough) then the XReal Air should do the trick. They aren't wireless, but on the flip side they actually look and feel like sunglasses

[rustic garnet]

and might be more reliable bc they're pretty much just a display input for your computer

on the quest you need to faff about with virtual desktop or something similar

[static cosmos]

Thanks fellas

[soft gulch]

VR rental exists in a lot of places

[cold shard]

I love the XReal Air 2 (Pro) product page. One of the feature points is "Proprietary Optic Engine
with Best Resolution and Color Profile". Yet resolution and color profile coverage are unspecified anywhere lol. Luckily they do specify 0.55" microOLED from Sony and they only sell a 1080p panel at that size.

[haughty thistle]

iirc the Amazon page for the XReal Air 2 lists 1080p as a resolution. At least the german Amazon page does

1080p 500nits 49ppd. honestly doesn't sound that bad, especially compared to what you'd get on the Quest and AVP...

On another slide they also talk about it being capable of 120Hz, tho no word on whether that's possible at native res or not...

[cold shard]

Previously on the Air it was only 120Hz "effective" with 3D content, but used 60Hz panels. It's not clear if that's the case for the Air 2 though. The product is honestly really cool but damnit they need to just provide proper detailed specs on a product page. The American Amazon product page doesn't list resolution nor whether that refresh rate is native

I was referring to the product page on their official website though tbc

https://www.xreal.com/air2/

Resolution is just "best" lmao

[haughty thistle]

lol

The German website doesn't even mention resolution at all (other then the 49ppd number)

It's just on that one slide on Amazon Germany where they mention res...

[amber sleet]

all of them use a valve index or some other pcvr headset

[soft gulch]

no, not "all of them"

quests are probably even more common because they don't require a computer to run

[amber sleet]

well all of them is an overstatement but the ones i was looking at were only using a dedicated pcvr headset

[haughty thistle]

Apparently Bradly has it from a supply chain source that Valve has stopped producing the Index. So it's only a matter of time till you can no longer order an Index

[warm stirrup]

Bro I was checking discord while watching his pimax stream, and right as he said that, I saw your message lmao

[haughty thistle]

I totally agree with Bradly on the new Pimax launches btw. I think they're spreading their resources way too thin. They're both trying to appeal to Reverb G2 and Index users with the Crystal Light, possible Somnium VR1 and Varjo Aero buyers with the regular Crystal and try to offer a Varjo XR-4 competitor, while not actually offering the key benefit of the XR-4. And that all while being a relatively small company catering to a very small nieche...

Plus, it looks like Pimax removed the battery from the back of the Light and Super, without adding a proper counterweight, so they're gonna be super front heavy...

[warm stirrup]

Yeah I do too, I like what they are doing with the light though, it's a lot more of a "standard" vr headset without a lot of bells and whistles, but yeah as you said it's going to pretty front heavy. The whole swapping idea on the super feels gimmicky imo, and they are definitely spreading their resources too thin for all these products

[pale orbit]

https://twitter.com/pimaxofficial/status/1779945284380061959

Pimax (@pimaxofficial) on X

Hello Light. Starting from 699 USD: https://t.co/VQ5RYrxcmT

Twitter · Apr 15, 2024, 6:50 PM

[weak bluff]

is the back strap suppose to be that tall?

[warm stirrup]

I'm assuming it's similar to the vive pro where the strap goes up for putting it on and then goes down to cup the bottom of the back of your head

[weak bluff]

The way top strap is set plus OcuLink cable makes it look like fixed 45° angle makes me question

[haughty thistle]

It really looks like they went back to their full-on knock-off VP strap for the light and Super, including the lack of counterweight

[pale orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzAiYgvOK4&t=4575s

states the valve index is fully out of production

[rustic garnet]

huh

interesting

Do you think that means they're ramping up something new or just letting meta take over the market share

[meager crane]

well a index 2 has been rumored for a bit.

but right now I wouldn't get an index over a quest 3 the quest 3 just has a better display / optics

[cedar belfry]

would that mean it'll be a lot cheaper aftermarket?

[weak bluff]

No rather it will make it more rare

more expensive

specifically headset and controller since HTC is in charge of base station 2.0

the base station 2.0 price hike might be a matter of time since valve stopped making $150 base station and HTC is selling it for $200

[weak bluff]

Also Valve did not discount Valve Index so they intent to keep it in stock for a while

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, Valve apparently hadn't ordered new parts for the Index in quite a while, and the production stop now is only a result of them having run out of certain components. I wouldn't expect the Index to stop being available immediatly, but now it's only a matter of time till the last Index is sold through Steam

I would also assume that they'll keep back a bunch of stock to cater for any RMAs...

It could very well be an indication of preperation for a next gen VR product, or it could just mean that Valve thinks the production capacity is more useful for the Steam Deck... (which tbh, is the more likely case)

[little plinth]

Let it die

[haughty thistle]

My only fear is that with time it'll lead to the only viable SteamVR tracked controller that people can buy being the old Vive Wands 🤮

The Index headset? Sure, let it die. It's really showing it's age and a Quest 3 will likely give you a much better experience anyways. But please don't kill the Index Controllers without a viable replacement 🙏 (and no, the Eetee's aren't a viable alternative due to their lack of buttons)

[weak bluff]

etee wont stop justify their lack of buttons lol

[rustic garnet]

yeah i was thinking about that too

Did they say they're stopping all production or just the headset?

[haughty thistle]

No idea

[vestal pewter]

how can I verify what speed a cable actually supports? I've recently bought a USB-C-C cable with a display showing the power going through it and on the shop page it said USB 3.0 while on the packaging it says 480MB/s indicating USB2. I don't think I have any USB3 devices yet. Also, would my laptop with a USB-C port supporting DisplayPort work with the Quest 2? It shold, right?

[weak bluff]

yes oculus software or meta quest software have integrated usb speed tester

[vestal pewter]

Do I have to have the headset already to test that?

[weak bluff]

yes

that is best way

[vestal pewter]

Alright. I'll just hope for the best that it'll work right out of the box! 4 meters should be enough length to get from the back of my tower into my room and up to my head and it's like 30 bucks where the quest link cable is like 90 bucks and 3m iirc
Edit: the quest link is 5 meters and is 95 CHF

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/microconnect-usb-c-usb-c-4-m-usb-32-usb-cables-20670703 I was thinking of getting this, it says it's USB 3.2

[weak bluff]

that is... expensive

almost liek official cable

https://www.meta.com/ch/en/quest/accessories/link-cable/

just buy this

or if you want to save money buy from aliexpress

[devout trail]

And that other cable is only 4m. Id be a little bit on the cautious side as to not rip the cable out of my PC when in longer or intense play sessions. Probably better to do what Menaced said and get the official cable or one thats just not that expensive. Id reckon 15-20 dollars for a decent 1-2gbps 15ft cable.

[amber sleet]

am i missing out on a joke or smt else because the link he sent showed a cable for 30chf and you just sent one for 90chf

[devout trail]

Its just expensive for what the cable is.

[haughty thistle]

Ofc it's an expensive cable, it's a USB 3.2 Gen2 cable. Way overkill for Link

[devout trail]

I dont think he would say 30 is expensive and turn and say 90 is better lol

Yeah its a 20gbps cable, youre paying more for the speed than length 🙂

[little plinth]

Isn't 3.2 Gen 2... Just 3.1

USB naming istg

[devout trail]

It says both in the description lol

[haughty thistle]

Also I bet that cable is gonna be quite a bit thicker, because of the higher rating. Overall, not the best option for link

[devout trail]

Not even really the point.

[devout trail]

Exactly lol

[weak bluff]

5gbps is already overkill 😅

but no middle ground and some cheaper version only reach 1.1Gbps but that is still more than enough

[vestal pewter]

right, 4m might be on the short side. To get from the back of my tower to where I'd stand, it's already like 2m to 2.5m and I'm around 1.8m. I'll see if I can find a 5m cable with at least USB 3.0. The Quest Link is way too expensive and I don't know if I want to spend an extra 60 bucks just for 1m extra cable and a 90° end for the headset-side

[little plinth]

At that price you can get a powerful router

And ditch cable altogether

[devout trail]

Tis true! Id do that over the cable

Or if you already actually have a decent router maybe a battery bank or something to lengthen the play sessions?

[vestal pewter]

our access points are pretty good, I can get around 300-350Mbit/s both ways internally, externally I'm limited by good ol' 25Mbit/s of coax upload xD (along with 250Mbit/s down, both are shared for 5 people however lol)

[little plinth]

It has to be WiFi 6 for latency reason

[devout trail]

Yeah with it being a 12ft cable Id really be scared of damaging one of my usb ports with that distance.

[little plinth]

And also so it can get a dedicated connection with no other users

Since bandwidth is only one factor

[devout trail]

Ooof only 300.....Yeah I'd definitely do what Purleen is saying and get yourself a dedicated AP and youd be all set!

[little plinth]

Of course you can still use WiFi 5 that isn't dedicated but expect subpar experience

Stutters

[vestal pewter]

How could I check what WiFi version our routers are? Isn't that 802.11AX?

[little plinth]

My Dedicated WiFi6 even still experience network hitches

Definitely can't do 400Mbit

Idk if it's my pico's SoC limitation

Or my router tho

Pretty stable when using HEVC 150Mbit

[weak bluff]

your phone could tell if its an android

[devout trail]

Dang.....All Im rocking is a 3-5 year old RT-AX3000 and it does around 800-1.1 no problem all day. Seems like routers should really not be that big of an issue by now. I mean I have almost 50 networks in range and I have multiple wireless links running when the wife and kids end up playing the same time.

[weak bluff]

at same price as cable you can buy a mini router that does the job from beryl too

[devout trail]

Atleast if youre not running some old school wireless N junk.

[vestal pewter]

In task manager it also says the connection type, the network I'm currently in (not my home network) is 802.11.ac. Is that WiFi 5?

[weak bluff]

yes

[devout trail]

Oooh yeah the Beryl! Link that! that thing rocks lol

[weak bluff]

it works altho not best possible

here the beryl https://store.gl-inet.com/collections/travel-ac-router/products/beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-wi-fi-6-wireless-travel-gigabit-router

[devout trail]

I love that thing. My dad snagged it for when he watches football in the garage lol

Gotta get it back soon

[vestal pewter]

I think I've also seen 802.11.ac when I was at home, so we're probably using WiFi 5. Just gonna see if I can find a good, long C-C cable that doesn't break my bank

[devout trail]

Yeah the pocket router is a little more than a cable of course but hey would definitely be a much more enjoyable experience for most. The cable on the head is usually the big annoyance.

[weak bluff]

your existing ac can do the job try test that

i use ac myself

[vestal pewter]

300-350Mbit should be enough, also my tower is connected via an ethernet-cable, so there won't be as much latency as using both on WiFi. And as I said, I'll hava a look around for a 5m 3.0 or higher cable that's cheaper than the meta link

[weak bluff]

if you are willing to wait on aliexpress, they are very cheap

[vestal pewter]

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/onit-usb-c-usb-c-5-m-usb-40-usb-kabel-35928381 There's this one for 10 CHF more than the other I sent and it's even 4.0, but the main point is that it's 5m, which leaves more headroom than the other 4m one...

[weak bluff]

that cable is weird

they clain it is USB 4.0

but USB 4.0 is not 10Gbps

plus 10Gbps is overkill

[cold shard]

Indeed, USB 4.0 is 20-120Gbps

[vestal pewter]

it's 5m though... that was the main reason I found it

[weak bluff]

are you avoiding aliexpress or kiwi design?

or you want fibre for thin

[cold shard]

3m is also the max length for passive cables per the 3.0 spec. Lots of red flags for a sketchy cable

As LTT found with their cable tester, even a few name brands failed to meet spec requirements

[weak bluff]

regardless, no simple male to male cable will charge and run link at same time

[vestal pewter]

Not avoiding, I just always shop at this shop because it just has everything I need

[weak bluff]

i run 5m copper cable on USB 3.0 myself and it works

[cold shard]

Ah yes, the classic works on my machine

[weak bluff]

that cable is too good to be true for USB 4.0 because such cable is not cheap and rare if it was true

[weak bluff]

it works but its not up to spec just that does not matter because its still more than enough

there is degradation

power loss and speed loss

it does not reach 5Gbps

but it was still more than enough

[haughty thistle]

technically USB 2 is enough, but then the Quest should have it's own dedicated USB controller on the PC, which you just cannot do, so you still want USB 3...

[weak bluff]

USB 3.0 is also first duplex USB meaning it can carry data both ways

slightly reduce latency

[vestal pewter]

Actually now that I read the product description of the quest link, it's a fiberoptic cable, which would justify some of the price

[weak bluff]

the advantage of fiber optic is its thinner

that is the only notable advantage

[amber sleet]

arent there cables with a seperate pd port for charging at the same time

[weak bluff]

yes but that is not male to male anymore

[vestal pewter]

with the disadvantage of carrying data only. Are there any legit 5m copper cables? Or would I have to use fiberoptic ones?

[weak bluff]

yes like this one https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006642248473.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.73.727ddns9dns9pb&algo_pvid=139fc296-0be9-4ff5-96e1-549f9bd819e9&algo_exp_id=139fc296-0be9-4ff5-96e1-549f9bd819e9-36&pdp_npi=4%40dis!CHF!18.86!15.65!!!20.28!16.83!%402103011717133588929648106e5888!12000037903551059!sea!CH!0!AB&curPageLogUid=IItp6w3VCuDt&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

this one is a special version that it is an active cable

which adds power and ensure headset manage to charge

or get this non active version https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006400629774.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.727d1180b0KB7r&algo_pvid=13d915a8-e780-4841-b5a8-68ad70b14012&algo_exp_id=13d915a8-e780-4841-b5a8-68ad70b14012-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis!CHF!24.36!7.55!!!190.03!58.91!%402103252b17133581479657917e6c33!12000037033019079!sea!CH!0!AB&curPageLogUid=QWI8YN8LL0V8&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

[amber sleet]

i have some syntech cable similar to that (doesnt manage to charge my quest 3 while using it but the life expectancy is way higher )

[weak bluff]

maybe plug the power usb A to a power brick?

[vestal pewter]

Is the USB-A on this for data or for power?

[weak bluff]

power it seems

[amber sleet]

https://www.amazon.de/Compatible-Accessories-Separate-Charging-Sufficient/dp/B0BGM12LWL?language=en_GB&currency=EUR this is the cable i have

[weak bluff]

actually im not sure

[weak bluff]

that works too

[devout trail]

You can just buy a PCIe USB card, one with something like 2 usb C ports and just run on the quest on that. Thats one dedicated controller only handling one device 🙂

[haughty thistle]

This is the cable that I have btw: https://www.amazon.de/KIWI-design-Zubehör-Kabelclip-Kompatibel/dp/B0BLVDH7ZV
Works like a charm, also copper internally

[haughty thistle]

You only need that for USB 2, and blocking an entire PCIe slot just for Quest link is kinda stupid tbh

[devout trail]

Yeah it is, but even some cards are only 30-40 bucks. But also theres motherboards that have their layouts with specific USB ports being on only one controller per port. Thats what some of the older PCs that said VR ready around the port. It was a seperate controller for just that port.

Some were fake or did share with one other port but they labeled them and you could just not use that extra port. Was a big thing with getting all the base stations working with older rifts on certain PCs.

[haughty thistle]

My Asus board has one controller on which internally there's only some Asus RGB thing hooked up. Two ports are wired to the frontpanel USB 3 and one last port is hooked up to the frontpanel USB-C. There's nothing else on that controller, so it's kindof a safe heaven for plugging stuff in (you just know it's not gonna be bottlenecked by any other device)

Tho, it's rare to have mobos with dedicated controllers just for one type of input, as it's kindof a waste of resources and money

[devout trail]

Right! I hated playing the "find me more bandwidth" game with 4 base stations and the headset and leaving all my stuff alone so i didnt have to sit and plug in/unplug 20 things to play some VR.

Used to have a older r2600/gtx1650 super that we used for the old rift with 4 stations. Had 2 startech usb cards so they would all work correctly as the onboard controllers were poop.

[haughty thistle]

I only found out about this quirk on my board thanks to USBTreeView. I was wondering why nothing seems to be connected to that controller, despite how crowded my USB ports on the back are. Yeah, frontpanel USB 3 has it's own controller practically

[devout trail]

Yeah Treeview is pretty nice, I found it for the first time with USBdevview on an older MSI trident system I was using.

Only issue I find with alot of front USB ports is the cable used in the case is usually crap on even mid range cases. Not the ports themselves I think its more or less the cable they use is poor quality.

[haughty thistle]

Yee. For my CV1 I usually plug one camera in the back and the other two in the front. Can't have all three in the front as one port is USB C and the cameras are USB A. I do have adapters, but it's honestly a hassle if just plugging in the back works as well

[devout trail]

Right! I would have left well enough alone if the darn sensors werent giving errors left n right lol

[vestal pewter]

I'll look into the AliExpress cables then. My board has one USB-C on the back with a USB-A port right next to it, so it would be perfect for the active cable. Could I use the same game on both the PC and the VR headset itself or would I have to buy it on both platforms if I ever wanted to use the Quest standalone?

[haughty thistle]

And thats one more reason to buy a good quality case and not some cheap chinese crap xD
Personally running an O11D and couldn't be happier 😄

[devout trail]

But had to get them as the board only had I think 6 ports and after regular peripherals and basics that left nothing.

[devout trail]

Yeah just wish I could get my friends to do the same. They have the whole select price low to high and pick the very first option......

I have built maybe 12 PCs using the STUPID cooler master q300 case.....

in the last year

One buddy was like can I fit a 4080 in here?.....like shut the fuck up dude.....

[haughty thistle]

Oh nonono! Don't get us wrong! We were talking about USB controller crowding for the Rift CV1 and USB 2 speeds for the Quest. On USB3 anything really should work (as long as you don't plug in like 3 capture cards into the same controller)

[devout trail]

Oops! Lol sorry @vestal pewter we was side nerding on ya lol

[vestal pewter]

I know what you were talking about, dont' worry :)! I took a bit long to respond because I went back to doing what I was supposed to do haha. I just meant that the port layout would be perfect since the "data" port and the "power" port are right next to each other, I was concerned that it wouldn't reach and that I'd have to jerry-rig my power bank to somewhere

[haughty thistle]

The cable doesn't have to be USB-C to C tho, so you got that right. Really, go with any decent quality USB 3 cable that plugs into the Quest. You just wanna make sure it's longer then 5m so you don't snag on it too much (6m if plugging in the back)

Just be aware that if you buy a cable with a dedicated PD in, you should connect the PD in to a proper USB-C PD powerbrick, like what comes with the Quest. Plugging that end into just another port on the PC won't do anything different from just getting a cable that doesn't have such a PD in in the first place 😉

[vestal pewter]

I actually have one free USB-A port on the front, which would save me around a meter. The area where there's nothing to knock over is like 3x1.5m and starts like 75cm away from my tower

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, with a playspace like that (which is similar to mine 😄 ) you'd want 5m if plugging in at the front, or 6m if pluggin in at the back. Out of my experience anything shorter will start pulling as you move away from the PC

[devout trail]

And wont most boards only deliver 5v1a on regular ports? I dont think that will be enough 🙂

Def use a power brick

[vestal pewter]

6m if at the back? Though makes sense, ~1.5 meters is spent to even get to the playable area and to the back of it it's another 3m and to get up to my head it's another like 1.8m I don't know if I need an active cable since the battery runtime of the quest probably exceeds my own runtime lol. I don't know if I could play beat saber for more than an hour or so. I've never experienced VR like that, so I can't really tell :)

[cold shard]

5v 0.9A on USB 3.0 if they're following spec. 5v 1.5A if they support bc 1.2.

[haughty thistle]

In my experience adding about an extra meter of cable fixes whatever cable length was eaten up by routing the cable to the back

[vestal pewter]

Technically I could unplug my USB-C dock from the front port for playing in VR, I'd lose the LAN connection but our WiFi is faster than our upload and download speed anyway haha

Also do you recommend using separate headphones for the quest 2 or are the internal speakers of it okay? I have good headphones already

[weak bluff]

integrated is not bad however if you consider headphones you have to use earplugs

because over ear headphones wont wear well

[vestal pewter]

oh, I don't like earplugs, so I'll just use the integrated speakers then or find some way to use my current ones (Sony XM5)

I also still need to make a decision on how to position my two speaker boxes, one is currently under a table so I don't hear the mids and highs coming out of it, they're both pointed towards me when I'm sitting down, will ask about that in the audio channel and provide a layout of my setup later when I'm back home

[haughty thistle]

Earbuds will destroy any immersion. I can tell you that much. For good immersive audio you do want over-ear headphones or better yet off-ear speakers (tho the latter is kinda hard to do, unless you go with the crappy Logitech thing they released for the Quest 2).
In my experience overears generally fit well on most headsets, as long as the headstrap isn't a too bulky hard strap. Stuff like the included rubber strap on the Quest 2 should work with over ears no problem

With overears tho you do have to differentiate between closed-backs and open-backs. You do generally want open-backs for VR, not just for the better sound and cooler ears (open-backs don't heat up as much), but also for the sound stage.
Sound stage is imo what makes or breaks the audio immersion in VR, and you just can't beat open-backs (tho they also allow you to hear anything around you; which I personally see as a benefit tbh).
And no, Ambient Mode/Audio Passthrough is not a replacement for open-backs

[vestal pewter]

What are ear-speakers? I think I'll see about the audio when I get the headset, thanks everyone for your advice!

The XM5's are closed-back, but have pass-through I could activate

ah didn't read it properly, you said off-ear speakers

[haughty thistle]

Off-Ear speakers are like what you have on the Index. They are near-field speakers which are placed close to your ears, but not touching them or the surroundings in any way. They are by far the best for immersion you can get (if they are well tuned, which is where the logitch add-on for the quest falls short)

[haughty thistle]

Passthrough ain't changing the sound stage of headphones tho :/
So for those you can just use them how you prefer them (ANC, Ambient, whatever). Ain't changing the immersiveness of the sound

[vestal pewter]

Alright! Otherwise I have off-ear 2x120W speakers with 3 drivers each haha

(my speaker boxes that are pointing towards me)

but to get actual good stereo audio out of them with how they're placed, I would need to be laying down xD

[haughty thistle]

No, off-ear speaker as in mounted to the headset close to the ears

Ig someone could hack together a solution to project virtual audio sources from VR games onto a surround sound system, if they know where each speaker is placed, but yeah... best to just stick with headphones lol

[vestal pewter]

I know that these speakers wouldn't be suitable for VR :). They'd be immersive in the way that I'd feel the rumble of explosions in my whole body thanks to the great bass that these speakers have haha

[haughty thistle]

😄

[vestal pewter]

I can hear these things from outside if I crank the volume in Windows when I have the AVR on volume 4.5/10 haha. I've seen the AVR draw a peak of like 210W, though the actual peak power was higher, the device I used to measure that only measures in 15s intervals. They're 8 Ohm speakers and I've measured around 5V AC going through them at a normal loud volume when there was bass

though that was measured with just a multimeter. I kind of expected there to be more voltage than just 5V, but that makes it safe in case my cat ever chews on the wires while I'm listening to music. I'm gonna end it here since I'm drifting more towards audio

[haughty thistle]

I'm honestly not sure how loud my sub can go. It's a budget sub, but still 10" 200W according the spec sheet. I run it at maybe half Gain on the sub itself with the Receiver set to a volume of 18 out of the maximum 74 (don't ask me why the volume scale is so arbitrary, ask Sony). Still one time I went and unplugged a headphone cable and the brief grounding of one of the speakers made quite a loud "thump" from the sub

Generally keep my audio volume pretty quiet as I can't stand loud noises...

[vestal pewter]

I also keep the AVR at like 3.5 and Windows at 2%, which is pretty loud for just working, 10% is comfortable listening to when not working and 30-50 is for banger songs. 100% with 3.5 on the amp is for throwing a party and 4.5-4.8 is the max I'm comfortable putting it, these speakers are insanely loud already then and I don't know how much that rather old (could be 15y+, I have no clue tbh) AVR is able to handle long-term. I once got a thermal camera and pointed it inside the AVR and found three resistors apparently at 100°C while listening at normal volume

[haughty thistle]

I also have to make sure not to crank the receiver all the way anyways (way too loud anyways)

350W is that the receiver is capable of in a 2 speaker config, the speakers themselves are rated for 150W max

[weak bluff]

i forgot to mention my on ear issue is with hard strap

halo strap shoudl be ok ish

[vestal pewter]

yeah. My speakers can easily get to the kind of volume you get at a concert, but then you'd hear them from like a 10m radius around my house. I don't know what the AVR is capable of, the speakers say 170W nominal 120W music. The AVR was pretty hot when I had a bit of a rave with a friend and I had it on like 4. I don't wanna know how loud this thing could get, I don't want to blow the poor thing haha

It's some old one from sony

[haughty thistle]

Then yours is definetly from a different generation. Mine is the STR-DH550 and like I said before, the volume is set as a whole number between 1 and 74...

Still has analog video plugs on the back, tho unfortunatly no analog to digital converter. Confirmed that when I plugged a Wii into it and got nothing out on the HDMI

[vestal pewter]

I've tried measuring their volume, but my phone applies some clipping correction so that it always measures lower than what actually is, but I'd imagine they have no trouble reaching 100dB. My receiver also has no digital inputs, it's also pretty old as I've mentioned already. It also has a problem where every few months I have to drop it on the floor to get rid of some humming at multiples of the AC frequency here. I don't drop it from high, just from like 5cm

I'm kind of curious when this thing was released, will check that when I get home

[rustic garnet]

waking up to 172 messages in the vr chat

[vestal pewter]

we had a bit of a discussion, but at least it was helpful

[meager crane]

so the claims of 50ppd on the crystal super are interesting

I'd like to see something like that come into a form factor like bigscreen beyond

[weak bluff]

no way it can beat in comfort

[meager crane]

no specs on the fov for the pimax crystal super yet (that name sucks to type).

[haughty thistle]

The Crystal Super QLED should be using the same panels as the Varjo XR-4, tho without the fancy lenses that Varjo has developed for the XR-4. If I had to guess the FOV would be a bit larger on the Crystal Super compared to the normal Crystal, but not massively so (it still needs to fit in the same form-factor after all). The Crystal Super OLED prolly will have a smaller FOV, given it has pancake optics and even in their renders the lenses were definetly smaller...

[meager crane]

ya I'm more interested in ppd than crazy fov

[cerulean glade]

I am currently waiting for my Bigscreen Beyond to ship but, do you think it would be better to cancel order, and get Crystal Light instead, then sell it and then buy Super? or have BSB with Crystal Super? cause BSB is surely hard to sell

[meager crane]

I mean I'd stick with the bigscreen beyond personally its a lighter headset

I'm just wishing I could get whatever magic is in the pimax crystal super in the form factor of a bigscreen beyond.

[haughty thistle]

We have no idea how good the pancake lenses from Pimax are going to be. But we do know that pancake lenses are quite a bit more difficult to design then aspheric or fresnel lenses, plus they are a lot easier to screw up...
Plus the BSB is certainly gonna be a better design for the components in it. The big benefit that pancake and microOLEDs give are the ability for smaller, lighter headsets, and the Crystal Super ain't either...

[meager crane]

got to say I went from rift s to quest 3 and those pancake lenses / increase in res / ppd turned vr from a blurry vomitus mess into something playable for me.