virtual-reality

[eager mesa]

i want a 7600 or 7600xt

[rustic garnet]

That must've been fucking terrible though whoo wee

[eager mesa]

it worked, it had a few spikes but it worked

[sullen linden]

it depends if you play low and hide all avatars

[eager mesa]

i do play low and hide most avatars

[rustic garnet]

lowest end I've tried is a 940mx

[eager mesa]

now that's worse than what i have

[rustic garnet]

well yeah

but not worse than a 570

[eager mesa]

it's not a gtx

[rustic garnet]

what is that maxwell

[eager mesa]

it's an MX

[rustic garnet]

yeah

[eager mesa]

it's ampere

[rustic garnet]

and?

[eager mesa]

nvidia MX570 look it up

[rustic garnet]

what

can they

stop

[eager mesa]

yes

raytracing

[rustic garnet]

using numbers so confusing

What the fuck 😭😭

[eager mesa]

this little gpu that my school laptop has can raytrace, use dlss and have all the ampere goodies

just that it's hindered by 2gb vram

so gaming will be a nightmare

which it is fr

[rustic garnet]

i was thinking this https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-570m.c1495

[eager mesa]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-mx570-a.c3943

this is what i'm talking about lol

[rustic garnet]

yeahhap

so like 1050-1060 terroritory

[eager mesa]

YEP

oop

[rustic garnet]

Which definitely has a little bit of grunt

not much

but a little

[eager mesa]

i mean

what can i say? it's got RT cores

[rustic garnet]

not like that's going to help you in vr applications

[eager mesa]

no

and the 2gb vram is an extra slap across the face

[rustic garnet]

flashbacks to "vr ready" branded gtx 1050 cards

[eager mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/big-mommas-house-malcolm-turner-good-lord-help-em-all-help-them-all-help-us-all-gif-22721052

all i gotta say

[fickle light]

Thanks 👍

[eager mesa]

no problem, you have fun there alright?

[fickle light]

Lol

Just need to get $1000 for a laptop

[eager mesa]

oh i see

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle you were kinda right

I have to admit that airlink can look like shit

Playing into the radius and the grey and dark look horrendous

Also the foliage and heavy bushes

🤮

I think it uses h264 not sure

Make me want a Q3 wifi 6e at 300 mbs

[pale orbit]

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/vr-ar/cheaper-meta-quest-3-lite-just-leaked-heres-your-first-look

[little plinth]

Glorified Quest 2

[cedar belfry]

no cameras? hows it gonna do hand tracking for the people who use it?

[rapid otter]

Well how is it gonna track at all

[haughty thistle]

p. sure the leak that Bradly was talking about on his Twitter had 2 arrays for 3 dots each on the the front: a color camera for passthrough, an IR camera for tracking and the third one is unknown, but likely to be a low-range IR emitter for better hand tracking in lower light situations...

Improved hand tracking makes a lot of sense for a headset which is supposed to be primarely be interacted with by hand tracking (as it prolly won't even come with controllers)

[weak bluff]

I expected new leak but it's just same old things

[haughty thistle]

This one is "kinda" new tho: https://fxtwitter.com/Lunayian/status/1769104387702460616

[thorny lily]

But why

What is the real reasoning for this

[haughty thistle]

Ig they wanna offer a headset at the same price point as the existing Q2, but with the upgraded SoC of the Q3. Rather then just taking the Q2 shell and replacing the SoC ig they want more incentive to buy the regular Q3 by not offering any controllers for the Q2 replacement...

[weak bluff]

Quest 3 isnt true successor to Quest 2 so...

there is this

WAITTTT

that is same resolution as Quest 2

KanaDisgust

why even bother upgrade

when they say they gonan cheap out they gonna use exact same panel too?

[weak bluff]

it even has same pixel density

please tell me this is an early april fools joke

[sly yacht]

Uh, y’all got any recommendations for dudes with poor eyesight as far as headset addons go? Got an Index, but my glasses are too big

[weak bluff]

get a prescription lens

[sly yacht]

Oh sweet, those exist?

[weak bluff]

yes

[haughty thistle]

https://vroptician.com <- highly recommend their lens inserts

They cost about what glasses cost, because they're quite literally glasses you mount in your headset lol

[weak bluff]

if you live near China I recommend get ones from aliexpress

[sly yacht]

Unfortunately I don’t

[sly yacht]

I’ll have to look into these then

[weak bluff]

i actually bought my lens for $6

with half price discount

Hifylux brand

[haughty thistle]

I personally wouldn't risk it with prescription glasses/lenses, but you do you

[weak bluff]

not saying you can get those prices outside china

but man it was so cheap and quality is great

they have international store but Quest 2 and Pico only https://hifylux.com/products/hifylux-1-pair-myopia-lenses-nearsighted-corrective-aspherical-resin-lenses-glasses-for-oculus-quest-2?VariantsId=10001

[sly yacht]

I’ll look into both of these, thanks guys

[weak bluff]

nono mine does not have index option

im just saying

[sly yacht]

Oh

[little plinth]

these are regular diopters for only myopia

if your prescription is anything more complicated you pretty much must make custom ones

personally i order one locally

ended up like $40

[weak bluff]

Possible also to 3d print and bring to optician to fit it for you

[pale orbit]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-18/sony-hits-pause-on-psvr2-production-as-unsold-inventory-piles-up

[haughty thistle]

They should just hurry up and make it PCVR native. Maybe with a little interposer box to allow plugging in directly into a PC GPU. Then I'd be interested in the PSVR2. But I ain't buying a PS5 and some hacky third-party solution is just going to have controller issues...

[devout trail]

Thats what I'm hoping for. There really seems to be no reason to make it a "streaming" based option that still requires a PS5 itself as that would just draw less desire for anyone wanting to use it on PC. Having to purchase an extra 400 dollar unit to just use it, albeit without most of the new features the PSVR2 has implemented in PCVR games would just seem to give people more reason to choose a quest or even a regular wired HMD.

I myself am just waiting for the DP-Aux boards from iVRy to become readily available. My PSVR2 is able to connect over my TB4 card and can start in display mode so I just need to snag an AMD card so I can start using it in everything!

[weak bluff]

i can imagine iVRy pulling hair if they actually do that lol

[devout trail]

Oh no doubt! I’d bet he got a little heated the day they announced that.

I feel like if they do make it compatible with essentially the same/similar hardware he just spent the last year producing he’s also going to garnish quite a bit of attention to his efforts.

I’d bet they also add some extra software in between for making eye tracking and everything work as it does on the PS5 and then he could also reverse engineer that to give his software a potential upside as an option to use besides Sonys proprietary VR software.

[weak bluff]

Especially when iVRy been advocating fact that you should not buy iVRy for sole purpose of PCVR only if you already have it with PS5

And that exact purpose is broken

[devout trail]

Yeah it sucks that nvidia users are basically software locked out. Atleast with an AMD card I can use it on PSVR2 with tracking just fine! And with his discovery or more pathways to get around the USB-C port issues is going to just make it easier to use on more diverse systems.

[rapid otter]

If it doesn't come with hand tracking is just a Meta Quest GO 3S 😅

[rustic garnet]

gigaoctets is so silly

[weak bluff]

Same pixel density, same res, same fresnel

What is the point

[eager mesa]

I guess battery life and performance?

Maybe color pass through?

I think it's mostly for those users who want to replace their quest 2

[haughty thistle]

Mostly performance and better passthrough, yeah

Also you get AV1 decoding, which the Q2 can't do

[weak bluff]

no its not worth upgrade from Quest 2

its only great for new users

[haughty thistle]

tbf what did you expect?
Meta is trying so hard to force their hand tracking and mixed reality down peoples throat, and this would just be the next logical step: update the specs of the current entry level device, but drop the controllers

Imagine if the Quest 3S doesn't have any controller support whatsoever. Now that'd be quite a blow...

[weak bluff]

i should have reminded myself that PCVR are second class citizens

[civic axle]

is stutters on the 6000series a common problem?

got a rx 6900xt paired with a 5800x3d and its unplayable

[weak bluff]

how so

did you change any settinsg and what headset

[civic axle]

did not change any settings, using the quest 2 and i use virtual desktop to play my steam games

tride to play today again but the stutters are horrible

i get 90 fps with 70ms latency and my fps keep dipping to 40 or lower

[rustic garnet]

is it render latency or network latency

[civic axle]

render

you can see the stutters but they are worse in the headset

[rapid otter]

Hohoo yeah that's horrible

Try opening the debug menu with the graphs

Should have one for VD somewhere

[civic axle]

wasnt able to do a screenrecording

but took some pictures

ive tried air link in quest 2 and that works fine but the quality is VEEERRRRYY bad its like 140p

didnt have this problem on my nvidia card. i switched to amd now

[little plinth]

high encoding latency

yep sounds like a regular old amd thing

[civic axle]

do you know a solution for it?

[little plinth]

i use nvidia and never used amd for VR

i did have some amd card before

though the solution is usually rollback drivers

[civic axle]

rollback drivers meaning older driver version?

[little plinth]

yes

[civic axle]

i have had this problem for a very long time tho

id have to roll it back by alot but thx now i atleast know what the problem is

[little plinth]

the easiest is of course reinstall windows

then slowly reinstall things until you found the issue

i went through 4 windows reinstall when roblox was crashing for no reason

turns our openxr toolkit caused it

[civic axle]

i think a roll back woule be easier

[little plinth]

that's if the drivers are actually the issue

[civic axle]

worth a try ig

[oak sphinx]

Hi. I wanna get into VR but im not sure what to get, i already found a decent Fiberoptic data transfer cable, but now im just tryna decide on a headset, i have limited budget as i also need to have money left over for actual steam games, like HL:A H3VR and some other games, my specs are : I7 9700K, 32 GB 3200 mhz ddr4. RX-6700 Non-XT and 2 gigabyte sata SSDs.

I know the quest 2 is loosing support next year, but if i want a VR headset mainly just for pcvr it should be good right?,

[sullen linden]

if you want to use the wireless headset mic then get RAZER BLACKSHARK V2 PRO, it has the best mic in a wireless headset so far

who owns vive ultimate trackers?

[rustic garnet]

lmao

why would you think they're talking about audio headsets in a vr channel

[rustic garnet]

Who told you you need a fiber optic cable

and who told you quest 2 is EOL

[little plinth]

Not for long

By the time Quest 3S or lite it's definitely going to be killed

[rustic garnet]

meh q1 had support for like three years after quest 2 dropped

Sure maybe they wont make new units but i bet on software support

[weak bluff]

They won't lose support next year it will continue to get updates for 3 more years after last sale

A quest 2 successor kinda is coming this year at cheaper price tag if you can wait

Otherwise quest 2 is fine and better deal buying used with isopropyl alcohol

[devout trail]

iems in place of a VR headset? Seems counterproductive lol

[amber sleet]

okay nvm i understood smt else by headset

[little plinth]

that's beat saber... native on Pico 4

not PCVR

someone made it

and they said it's not possible?

now of course it's basically piracy but

they're not even selling on the pico

no loss there

[haughty thistle]

I wonder how involved the mod was, given that the mobile build of Beat Saber is built straight on the Meta Quest SDK...

Personally would still stick to the PCVR version anyways. The mobile build has some very weird behaviour in places...

[little plinth]

Both runs on OXR so after removing the meta fuckery it should work

and of course it does like you see above

Fuck meta and their exclusives 🖕

i don't really wanna buy into their ecosystem either

zuck can brick the headset at anytime

either from meta account going whack or servers going down

like last time

you might say the same about bytedance but pico 4 OS is a lot lot more open on the android side

[haughty thistle]

Fanboying for any company is stupid...

No company is your friend. Ultimatly the goal of any company is making money. Sure there are some whiche respond better to feedback then others (ex. Valve), but in the end Valve is no different with their 30% store cut from other digital stores like the Apple App store, and Valve has been caught red handed region locking their store within the EU, which is prohibited by EU law. Just sayin'...

[little plinth]

i'm not fanboying pico

[oak sphinx]

I saw on youtube, airlink wont work in my house as ive got 50/10 speeds

[little plinth]

i'm on pico because it's not meta

not particularly comfy on the CCP either

but PicoOS openness makes it a little more assuring

[haughty thistle]

Internet speed has nothing to do with AirLink/VD/ALVR lol
What is relevant is your Wifi speed in your home network

[little plinth]

and (for now) i haven't heard of massive outages leaving headsets unaccesible just because servers went down

something the quest experienced a handful of times

[oak sphinx]

Yes my wifi speed is 50 mbps

[haughty thistle]

It's only open to the point that you can flip a switch to unlock the bootloader. The Stock OS is still locked down as much as the Quest
They just didn't dump as many stock android systems for simplicity...

[oak sphinx]

Its a shit router

[little plinth]

You can very much root it if you need to, the problem is of course TWRP haven't developed one for pico yet

[haughty thistle]

Unless you're using like Wifi 1 or 2, there's no way that's real lol
Have you run a speed test from your phone to PC? (not from your phone to say speedtest.net)

[little plinth]

also damn

[oak sphinx]

What

[little plinth]

the much lower latency on standalone

it's so fucking good

the tracking is superb

PCVR BS has some weird tracking issues on fast movements

kinda like mouse acceleration but VR

[haughty thistle]

Personally found the tracking on the P4 to slot in somewhere between the Quest 1 and WMR, tho much closer to the Q1. Ain't beating the Quest Pro controllers tho, or heck, anything Outside-In

[haughty thistle]

That's an internet speed test, not your local Wifi speed

[oak sphinx]

Now im confused

Thats my wifi

[little plinth]

There's the speed between your device and router

then there's the speed between you and your ISP

[oak sphinx]

My PC is directly linked to the router using an ethernet cable

[little plinth]

Which has different speed

[oak sphinx]

And i dont have a wifi module in my pc

[little plinth]

than your internet connection

[oak sphinx]

How do i check

That speed thing you talking about

[oak sphinx]

Ohhh

Gimme a moment lemme boot up my pc

[little plinth]

@haughty thistle btw the one who did it is a 20 year old undergrad in russia

[oak sphinx]

So lemme get this straight. It works like a printer in that its connected to network and then anyone on the network can connect pc to it?

[weak bluff]

@oak sphinx

[little plinth]

so really i don't get why pico 4 modding isn't more widespread

[weak bluff]

For real test

Most accurate

[little plinth]

probably afraid of being sued by meta

something a russian don't need to worry about

[weak bluff]

Yes

Assuming your firewall is open for local network

Otherwise it just does not work

[little plinth]

Some ISP ship routers with isolation enabled and absolutely no way to turn off

[oak sphinx]

Where the heck do i find control panel

[little plinth]

which bricks any local connection

[oak sphinx]

My pc isnt in english

[weak bluff]

Buy dedicated router

[oak sphinx]

Bridge-mode isnt supported by my isp

[weak bluff]

You dont need bridge mode

[oak sphinx]

What

[weak bluff]

You use router as wifi receiver and as hotspot

[oak sphinx]

Anywho how do i find

That you showed

[oak sphinx]

.

[weak bluff]

Most routers can do that

You cant type control panel in search?

[oak sphinx]

I cant find the damn control panel

My pc is in danish

Oh wait

Found it

Im dumb

[weak bluff]

Hit Ctrl + R and enter control

[little plinth]

this is basically how i did it

[haughty thistle]

@oak sphinx since your PC is already connected via lan, that's already a good first step. Next thing is you wanna make sure how fast your Wifi can transmit. You can use this app if you disable the Internet test in it's settings: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pzolee.android.localwifispeedtester

[haughty thistle]

(unfortunatly Android only)

[weak bluff]

Or use TheoJoe method

No app needed on quest

[oak sphinx]

i use ookla, idk other apps

[weak bluff]

Ookla is only for internet

What you need is test local network speed

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, ookla tests internet speed only. The speed test app I just posted can also test your wifi speed from your phone to the router

[oak sphinx]

Ok

[haughty thistle]

Just make sure to disable the internet test and leave only the wifi test enabled 🙂

[little plinth]

if the phone doesn't support the latest wifi standards it might be unable to fully test

though ISP routers would be lucky to push 200 over wifi

[haughty thistle]

Not sure what method you're referring to tbh 👀

[weak bluff]

This https://github.com/openspeedtest/Speed-Test

All you need on target device

Is enter ip address on browser

[haughty thistle]

That is true. Tho in my experience in a lot of cases people have phones more modern then their Wifi router, sooo...

[weak bluff]

I tested here

Using a quest 2

[little plinth]

budget phones despite being modern really struggle with local link speed

[weak bluff]

If you want accurate then test it on quest

[little plinth]

it is one of the place they cheap out afterall

[haughty thistle]

Huh. It's certainly more involved, but would at least also test the LAN speed Ig

[weak bluff]

You dont even need to install

You can get portable version

And on quest just type ip address

[oak sphinx]

It should support it, its a Samsung galaxy A54

[haughty thistle]

Yeah... that... uhh... You have a 5GHz wifi too, or is that the only Wifi endpoint you have?

[oak sphinx]

Thats the 5 ghz one

[weak bluff]

That is slow

[oak sphinx]

The router we have is wifi5

[weak bluff]

Yeah mine too and its not this slow

[haughty thistle]

Same here, which is why I wanted to confirm it's 5GHz

[oak sphinx]

We have a television using the wifi aswell

And 2 other phones

[weak bluff]

Here is my WiFi 5 result

[oak sphinx]

Nothing more

Jesus

[weak bluff]

I hope its because of your phone

[oak sphinx]

My router is making ALOT OF coil whine

Is that normal too

[weak bluff]

Coil whine damage is unknow

[oak sphinx]

Right when i connected my phone to it

[haughty thistle]

That isn't ideal either, yea...
You probably don't need an optical cable for quest link, but if you still prefer going with a cable it should be at least 5m long and USB 3 capable

(prolly the simplist solution tbh)

[oak sphinx]

I know that much, but id prefer a fast one

[haughty thistle]

The alternative being buying an entirely new router to use just for the Quest

[oak sphinx]

I havent got amy type C connectors on my pc

[oak sphinx]

Looked into it, not interested

[weak bluff]

Why

[haughty thistle]

What cable you use for the Quest doesn't matter as long as it has USB 3 speed or faster. The Quest iirc tops out at about 400mbps, even on a cable. Compression rate is more of a limiting factor at that point...

[little plinth]

Limited by my phone at this point i think

I should test on the pico later

Maybe that's why H264 400Mbps chug

[haughty thistle]

I'll be honest, a good dedicated router is more setup then a simple cable and a simple cable can often be had for like half the price

[weak bluff]

no i mean asking this

[little plinth]

oh btw the one that ported BS to pico 4 gonna post the source code for the Picolus library which the person made to port oculus games

So posssiblyyy porting quest games gonna be easier

AW2 here i come

[haughty thistle]

inb4 Quest Games have always-online DRM because people started pirating them on Pico headsets

And people wonder why we can't have nice things...

[oak sphinx]

I just wanna play some pcvr where it looks half decent and not like rec room graphics

[little plinth]

When pico 4 unironically run quest games better

lol reminds me of the Denuvo situation

[haughty thistle]

Reminds me more of the Switch situation, but yeah...

[haughty thistle]

As long as your PC is up to snuff, yeah. As I said, buying a simple 5m USB 3 USB-C cable is prolly the simplest solution you can go with. A decent quality cable can be had for like 30€ on Amazon. The one that I use is the Kiwi Design one, but there are other options as well ofc

[weak bluff]

@oak sphinx try using this more accurate speedtest first downlaod this on your gaming PC https://go.openspeedtest.com/Win

after running it, take this link

and open a web browser on your headset

type that in

[oak sphinx]

I dont even have a headset yet which is why im asking all this,

[weak bluff]

oh

[haughty thistle]

Which is why I suggested using a Phone for approximation

[weak bluff]

i did not know that

[oak sphinx]

Ive never tried vr properly before. Only google cardboard

[weak bluff]

i recommend either wired usb or dedicated router i guess

[oak sphinx]

Amd a friends quest go

[weak bluff]

Beryl are excellend dedicated router for small size

[haughty thistle]

Always the recommendation for Quest anyways. Using a router that also has a bunch of other devices on it is pretty much always a recipe for desaster...

[weak bluff]

i have a $11 used wifi 5 router it was worth it

dedicated for quest

[haughty thistle]

With a used router you'd defo need to do a lot of research, as tons of ISP units are floating about, many of them locked to only work with that ISP and not as a simple AP, have crappy built in Wifi to sell you the ISPs Mesh offerings and other BS like that...

[weak bluff]

lol i have China Telecom router i think but luckily its quite open

made by Tenda

also if lucky some router can be flashed with custom firmware like openwrt which is better

and padavan

[haughty thistle]

Personally am running an old FritzBox 7490 as a Quest AP, which I know was bought seperate from any ISP offerings, but I know there's a bunch of Vodafone and 1&1 branded models floating about here in Germany. No idea how locked down the Vodafone ones are, but I know the 1&1 branded ones have a custom firmware which refuses to work unless you log it into a 1&1 service account with an active subscription. Kinda annoying as the Black & Silver look of the 1&1 branded FritzBoxes looks kinda sick...

[devout trail]

I honestly have to say that little beryl I snagged is pretty darn good. I’m able to hold a consistent stable connection with almost 40+ networks in range and never seems to have any compression or signal issues. Things a champ! Whoever recommended that a bunch last year thanks!

[little plinth]

The quest 3 shilling is really hard lmao

One of the reason is fanboying zuck

[haughty thistle]

fanboying always sucks

[little plinth]

Can't wait to see what samsung has cooking

but it has google as a partner

the project killer

[haughty thistle]

I honestly find it more of an unfortunate thing that the only way to get Face and Eye Tracking in VR right now without going DIY or buying something from a sketchy seller on China is to buy a Quest Pro. Is it a good headset? No. Comfort absolutely sucks. But it's currently the best option for FT/ET by matter of elimination

[little plinth]

Pico 4 Enterprise from reputable ali seller

At that point your biggest threat is fed ex ruining your package

And the quest pro

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, and use a China-only beta version of the streamer app, which btw absolutely sucks compared to literally any other methode of playing PCVR on it

[little plinth]

I was considering a quest 3 but that last outage just made me highly skeptical

[weak bluff]

Try Project Babble for mouth tracking all you need is a webcam

[little plinth]

Also no offline only mode i heard

[weak bluff]

Great for index cuz it has usb port on headset

[haughty thistle]

What confuses me about that outage is... why was it such a big problem? I've used my Quest plenty of times with no internet connectivity and never had an issue (Quest Pro and Quest 1 specifically)

[little plinth]

That outage revealed a possibility where zuck can just disable your quest

scary

i don't want such device on my posession

Converting your 500 bucks gadget into brick

[weak bluff]

There should be law that mandate support or open bootloader

[little plinth]

Even those old samsung gear is still usable

even if there's no store now

[haughty thistle]

Realistically you have something like this with most headsets these days. Microsoft basically put a timebomb on all WMR headsets. Upgrade to Win11 24H2 and your WMR headset is now a paperweight. Same if you re-install Windows on your PC after 2026...

[little plinth]

Yea but a discontinuation like that is a bit different

the thing about the quest is

[haughty thistle]

Pimax headsets have a system in place where the software remote-bricks your headset if Pimax punches your Serial Number into their database too

[little plinth]

a targeted lock out is a possibility

While the WMR is more like a nuke

[haughty thistle]

Pimax used that system when they had some issues with US taxes and some people (who already payed some taxes to Pimax) refused to pay more because Pimax miscalculated, Pimax just bricked the headsets of those people

[little plinth]

Scary stuff

I'll prob get whatever valve's next native pcvr headset

who knows when

[rustic garnet]

Even so any usb cable will do

[warm stirrup]

Jeez man I didn't know pimax was that sketchy

[devout trail]

They’re all sketchy brother! Needing a Facebook account linked was the first step when oculus started down the same path. Just absolutely stupid the artificial limits we have on purchased hardware.

[dawn vessel]

Does anyone have some personal experience with full body tracking on quest 3 and if it’s even worth it?

[warm stirrup]

I mean, when it comes to logging in with a facebook account, I don't see much of a problem with that. Google does pretty much the same thing with any new samsung phones

[rapid otter]

Not the case anymore

Also you need a discord account, a Google account and no one's seems to care

[devout trail]

I myself don't either. I just remember all the crap I took from some in other discords about using quest headsets and having meta milk all my data and track my house and all sorts of other things just because of that link requirement they started back a few years ago. Even some saying "oh they're just going to force it to slow down and stop working so you upgrade to the Q3"

[warm stirrup]

I think everyone knows damn well a lot of major companies have that kind of data

It's just unavoidable at this point, and meta just joined them. That's why don't know why everyone singles out Meta as the big bad and goes all out to not buy a quest 2 but buys an S24 ultra the next day

[haughty thistle]

I think... I have reached the peak of my collection... 👀

[devout trail]

Was that the one on eBay (I think?) with low bids you were talking about a week or two ago?

[haughty thistle]

Yup

Widest FOV headset ever made

Too bad Acer had no real interest in it once their partner in crime (Starbreeze) imploded

[devout trail]

Nice! If you dont mind my asking how much you end up getting it for? Thats actually pretty cool to have. Very unique!

[haughty thistle]

Sorry for the late reply, just woke up ^^"
I found it used on eBay for 980€, It's certainly not worth that price in terms of usage I'll get out of it, but as a collectors item it was undervalued imo 😄

[devout trail]

No worries! That values always going to be subjective to anyone, even more-so with something like that. I was doing some reading up on that HMD. The possible idea that you could have used 2 GPUs and had each display as a separate GPU driven screen is interesting. Now if some VR titles weren't so CPU bound in cases then multi-GPU setups might have been really able to show their power with something like that.

[haughty thistle]

It's wiring is even set up for a potential multi-system setup. Y'know how some early commercial flight simulators used multiple machines to drive the number of video walls in such a sim? Well the StarVR could've done that, if they had finished the software. It not just has 2 DPs but also 2 USBs, and they're color coded for left/right side. No idea how that would've worked with the tracking tho...

[devout trail]

Yeah! That would have been awesome to see working in person! Ahh the possibilities that were sooo close!

Wonder if the tracking and displays would need some type of sync setup? Similar to Nvidia cards needing the sync jumper for each card so their displays match.

[haughty thistle]

Most definetly would. There's a good reason why no one is doing multi-GPU VR stuff

You really don't want the two displays to get out of sync. And besides, there's tech to reduce the workload of rendering stereoscopic images with things like Single-Pass-Stereo, where it set's up the geometry once and then only has to apply stuff specific to the perspective twice

So using a single GPU is actually better for VR now then it used to be in 2016...

[weak bluff]

https://x.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1770707584833421393?s=20

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley) on X

PSVR2 got a firmware update with the latest PS5 update. It now works without bypassing EDID and DSC stuff that used to be necessary to get it to work on a PC

Based on that change, it looks like the PC support will be directly plugged in and not streamed

Is Sony washing hands?

Twitter · Mar 21, 2024, 7:02 AM

iVRy gonna pull hair

If this is true

https://aus.social/@thaytan/112132453147201197

Monado and OpenHMD dev

[devout trail]

Oh boy. Looks like it’s happening!

Wonder if they are talking with Nvidia to fix the DSC issue iVRy was talking about months ago. Basically just that and some sort of interposer box like the vive box or essentially a VL adapter and PCs are good to go!

[weak bluff]

Nvidia does have the issue pending to fix

they just do not have OTA when to fix

[devout trail]

Yeah I believe ivry said they mentioned up to 6 months on that

That’s why I said I’m wondering if they were talking with Nvidia to fix it. No reason really for Nvidia to go out of their way to do it honestly.

And we can already pass a video signal through an Nvidia card out through an AMD gpu connected display so that could be bypassed but would just create more complex setups possibly causing issues

[weak bluff]

they know they will fix it no need to tell again i guess

this will blow up PSVR2 stock temporary i bet

[pale orbit]

https://www.uploadvr.com/quest-2-price-cut-200/

[gloomy crater]

The $50 store credit has been a thing at walmart since black friday, but the price cut AND the store credit is news to me

[rustic garnet]

That's actually crazy

[weak bluff]

is this even worth it

knowing Quest 3S/lite is liek $199 maybe $299 with controllers

[rose peak]

Has Costco discontinued the Quest 3 bundle? It's been out of stock at three different Costcos for the last month or two

I can still see it on their app, but it also says out of stock there. I thought they were going to keep it around until the end of June at least

[weak bluff]

I guess there is a reason why promo says it lasts until said date or until stock runs out

[rapid otter]

For 200 € new it's an absolute steal!

[rapid otter]

😍😍

[uncut leaf]

i have meta 3

[cedar belfry]

attention beat saber players, i have found a stamina map
https://replay.beatleader.xyz/?scoreId=13627660

somehow my pc didn't crash and i didn't die

[pale orbit]

https://vxtwitter.com/iVRy_VR/status/1771688659730772233

[civic axle]

is relive vr good?

for pc vr on my quest 2 with my rx 6900xt

on vr desktop i get high game latency and with airlink i have shit quality

[devout trail]

Oh thats awesome! I guess I don't have to worry about buying an AMD card now! Just waiting to hear what the connectivity situation is from sony and I'm betting theyll sell a few more of these atleast.

[rustic garnet]

right like if they just make this a pcvr native headset out of the box??? i may or may not be buying ...

or like

Budget constraints

But it's what i would buy if my current kit died

unless valve announces something the same week lol

i really want valve to announce something ..sigh

im such a valve fangirl 😵

[weak bluff]

pretend valve does not exist thats how you can get surprised

[rustic garnet]

Imagine a steamvr standalone headset with the new rdna3 APUs

though i dont think they would do that unless it can run HL:A stabley

[rustic garnet]

let me dream :(

[weak bluff]

you are exploitable https://valveprism.com/

[rustic garnet]

lol

[rustic garnet]

i wish this was real so bad

I still dont understand why it's so elaborate

And also aren't all these words trademarked (valve, steam, steamos, etc) is that not legally troubling for them

like

impersonating a corporate entity or something

[devout trail]

Trademarks are protection from others who take credit or profit from those ideas or products. They cant just say nobody can even make a fake page containing those words.

[cold shard]

Nope, that's patent law. Trademark refers very explicitly to the marks used to represent your brand or product, it does not protect the ideas or products themselves.
However, at least in the US, fair use does protect the use of trademarks that you may not have explicit rights to. For example, parody is well established as protected under fair use. There's also the reality that if there's no damages then there's not much sense in wasting a lawyer's time besides at most sending a cease and desist.

[devout trail]

Yes thats why that page doesnt infringe on it. It doesn't use any of valves actual logos, images, or actual property.

The triangle logo was a dead giveaway instead of the valve logo 🙂

[rustic garnet]

https://trademarks.justia.com/888/51/rdna-88851130.html

[devout trail]

RNDA is a little different than an actual word.

Valve is used in more than just gaming/electronics.

[cold shard]

What? It uses numerous trademarks registered by valve. Trademarks aren't just logos and images. Trademarks they've used include the names SteamOS and Steam, and the Valve logo are used on the page

[rustic garnet]

they still use it on the prism site

[rustic garnet]

xactly

[devout trail]

lol where?

[cold shard]

It really doesn't matter though, fair use protects it

[devout trail]

show me the valve logo on it?

[cold shard]

Unless they're actually making a product or taking people's money nobody is gonna care

[rustic garnet]

Besides the actual legit index page doesn't feature the valve logo either https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index

[devout trail]

Which is what i said, if they arent profiting or taking credit then they arent in the wrong.

And the actual valve logo is down on the page where the "Steam and SteamVR" section is

This logo isnt on that prism page at all. Which when you open it for the first time you see that goofy triangle. Common sense should tell you that its fake from that point and beyond.

[cold shard]

That is the Steam logo, that is not Valve's logo that they did in fact use

[devout trail]

And most people would probably see the index through the steam client instead of the webpage nowadays

[rustic garnet]

lolwhat?

[devout trail]

I mean on the prism page.

[rustic garnet]

no i mean

[devout trail]

The triangle at the top of the prism page.

is a dead giveaway its a fake.

[rustic garnet]

they did the same thing on the REAL index page

"that stupid half ball logo is a dead giveaway"

[devout trail]

Either way....was very easy to tell the page was a fake. And obvious as to why they won't incur any type of real trademark issues like I stated to begin with.

[rustic garnet]

i never doubted it was fake

[devout trail]

Yeah I never viewed the index from the webpage, only the steam client and it must show that logo for half a second or something cause I dont see it at the top immediately.

[cold shard]

This just isn't really an accurate reason why it might be okay (which I wouldn't go so far to claim). Fair use is more complex than just "they don't make profit therefore fair use".

[rustic garnet]

yeah this feels legally gray

someone like a nintendo would strike it with the might of zeus i think

[devout trail]

Well I guess I just didn't try to be 100% correct in everything I said. Just the obvious reason that they dont try to sell anything, aren't actually promoting a real product, or trying to take credit from anything from valve was pretty straightforward in my answer.

I'd guess its one of two things. Either it's actually real and Valve is just going about it in a different way this time as to fool most in their presumtions, or its just a fake that doesn't bother them in the slightest as they haven't taken any action against it that we know of.

But something like that could really shine if we had something wireless that was atleast a bit better than the vive wireless adapter.

[cold shard]

The problem with trademark law is that in nearly every jurisdiction, if you allow a page like this to exist it actually weakens your ability to maintain your trademark. You are literally obligated to stop others from using your trademark improperly otherwise you risk losing it. Trademarks are unique in that regard compared to other types of IP protection.

[rustic garnet]

Right exactly it damages the brand

so either valve is just good guy fan project supporter or it's real

[devout trail]

It absolutely can. If they were actually promoting this item to a belief that it was real THEN it would actually call for valve to take action.

[cold shard]

There's a reason so many companies just take the extreme approach and take down absolutely everything

[rustic garnet]

and i do not think it's real I just think furries have too much time on their hands

[devout trail]

They most likely just do not care lol.

[rustic garnet]

yeah i think

[devout trail]

But I will say, it do look purty 🙂

[rustic garnet]

they're kinda used to their properties being treated like public domain

[devout trail]

The images leave alot to be desired

[cold shard]

https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/news/2023/2023082401.html

Not that I can afford shit, but I can't wait for an hmd with these bad boys. Micro-oled 3840x3552@90Hz with 1000 nits peak brightness. Apparently Samsung may be making a new hmd with them but it's just a rumor. The sample price is $992 USD per display, but bulk price is certainly far less

Oh I'm dumb, that's the display in the AVP. Apple allegedly paid about $350 a piece

[tired dune]

Oh wow only?

Although they probably paid Samsung to even start manufacturing that display in the first place, so it likely cost more

It was probably a display Samsung made specifically for Apple, and they are just releasing them because they are already in production

[cold shard]

It wasn't made specifically for Apple and it was developed by Sony semiconductor not Samsung.

[tired dune]

Sony I meant sorry

Not Samsung lol

[cold shard]

Sony doesn't need anyone to be telling them to keep making denser displays. They already know everybody wants them

[haughty thistle]

Not quite. Apple always develops their own panels and let's them being manufactured by other display companies. So while it might have a similar or the same res as AVP, it's 100% not the panels inside the AVP...

[cold shard]

Can you provide the proof that Apple developed their own panels? All reports indicate they have panels produced by Sony. Do you know how many 1.3" 3840x3552@90Hz displays that are produced by Sony? One.

[cold shard]

I'm sure they've bought all or nearly all of the initial production capacity, just like they do with TSMC for their silicon

https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/microdisplay/oled.html
It's already listed for mass production in their main catalog of micro-oled displays

[little plinth]

Developed and produced are two different process

Like how nvidia develops their chips and TSMC produces it

[cold shard]

All I did was describe the situation. However, if you want me to speculate then I'll add that I assume Sony developed and produced their panels. They're a display manufacturer, that's what they do. If you want to suggest a customer of a manufacturer developed the technology of that manufacturer, you should have proof of that.

[haughty thistle]

They are for sure developing their own display panel backplanes. The actual panels are then made by companies like LG or Samsung display, however the backplane, the layer that is actually connecting the pixels back to the controller, is designed by Apple.
Plus, the panels in the AVP headset iirc aren't 3840 in either direction. They get close, but not quite. Pixel count is similar to a 4k panel tho. iFixit reported on this in their AVP teardown
(the actual job listings are no longer up, so I'll post screen caps from DDG search results)

[cold shard]

You can't just reiterate your claim without proof. That's not how that works. Apple makes a lot of devices with displays, those job postings do not suggest they are related to the vision pro displays. The recent display related patents Apple has are about that horrendous front display, various optics, and mounting structures.

[shut pier]

which spyware is worse meta or pico?

[haughty thistle]

It'd be very weird if Apple is using custom display panels in all their other devices to then just suddenly not do that for their newest flagship device.
The AVP displays, according to iFixit are likely 3660x3200, and the most recent supply chain analysis mentioned two Chinese companies (SeeYa & BOE) as the ones making them, rather then Sony. If they weren't using in-house designed panels, it'd be very difficult not only to just switch the manufacturer on a whim like this, but also to use multiple different suppliers for a key component such as a display

[shut pier]

ordoes pico even have spyware

[haughty thistle]

Pico is owned by ByteDance and Meta is well... Facebook. It's basically choosing between rock and a hard place. Do you want to give up your data to the US or to China

Just keep in mind that if you go with a Pico headset, ByteDance has recently disbandend most of Pico, because the Pico 4 didn't sell nearly as well as they had hoped it would, so good chance that the P4 is going to be their last headset...

[shut pier]

is there a mythical 3rd option or is spyware all im gonna get with standalone

iththe$400range

also what even is this thing

[haughty thistle]

The Vive XR Elite, but it's basically the price of the Quest Pro without any of the redeeming features of the Quest Pro

I wouldn't recommend getting a Vive Focus. Especially the older Focus or Focus Plus. Those were only ever meant for Business demos and such, basically useless for gamers. You can use the Focus 3 basically like an XRE for PCVR, but it has worse lenses then the XRE, so that's your call to make

[haughty thistle]

That's the old Vive Focus Plus. Think of it like a an Oculus Go, but it has 6dof head tracking. Not very useful these days

[shut pier]

im mostly just tying to do wireless pcvr without having to spend 800us

cant use meta because my accounts keep getting banned for botting

[cold shard]

Mentioning a company that has a developed their own oled tech and has the patents for it is not the proof you think it is. You can't just keep adding more claims without any actual evidence. Are you suggesting Apple invented all this tech and didn't patent it? Seriously? Apple has actually invented a lot of seriously cool tech, I don't understand the need of some Apple stans to say Apple invents everything.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, then the Quest 2/3 is pretty much your most sane option unfortunatly. Thank Meta's previous behaviours and overall lack of consumer interest for not more competition. Basically in the past Meta had made it abondunly clear that if anyone would try and disrupt their para-monopoly in the affordable VR sector they'd just use their Facebook funds to undercut them in impossible ways..

[haughty thistle]

If I could find the post again I long would've posted it goddamn'

[shut pier]

whatabout dpvr?

i see their headsets at gokart tracks sometimes

never used one tho

[haughty thistle]

And no, I'm not an Apple stan. I actually hate Apple, for their BS software and arbitrary restrictions...
The part that Apple developed and patented is their backplane design. There are many MicroOLED panels from many different manufacturers out there may I remind you. The part that Apple customizes, on all their displays I should reiterate, is the Backplane, the part that wires up the pixels with the controller. If you ever compare how the pixels are arranged and shaped on an Apple display with any other display I will guarantee you that the Apple ones are unique.

And even when Apple isn't using a panel with a custom backplane, they always make sure they have an exclusivity contract with the manufacturer of the panel, ensuring they are the only ones able to use those panels. It's been pretty common knowledge, and also part of the reason you don't see as many 5k or 6k displays out there...

[haughty thistle]

The only actual review I've seen of a DPVR headset can be summarized like this: Built so cheaply you could mistake it for a dollar store toy and screen persistence, it makes your 90s passive-matrix LCD jelous... (exaggertaing here ofc, but it was pretty bad)
Then again, that was for I believe one of their first headsets? Not sure if they improved at all since then. You want to defo make sure it's not using Nolo Tracking, as that review had a unit with Nolo Tracking and it basically didn't work at all

[shut pier]

whatever this is

[haughty thistle]

It means the headset supports rotation, but not position (meaning you can look around, but if you move your head the image stays fixed)

[shut pier]

sounds dissorenting

[weak bluff]

nothing from HTC is good value

AiPensive

[shut pier]

wish i could blacklist meta products from showing up on amazon

making looking a lot harder

this one seems to be within ballpark of everything id need but the listed seller is in chinese (or cantonese i can never tell)

[little plinth]

Guaranteed to be ass

Also that resolution is pathetic

At 500 or below

Either meta, or pico

The rest is shit

If you insist on buying these unknown junks go ahead and you will be disappointed

I rather use the super outdated oculus go

And that's just hardware problems

The software support wew

Even pico still has problems

[weak bluff]

can vouch i was Rift S former user with that resolution its ass

its ok as first time tho

rather, i dont think you can find that headset and even if you can it will be overpriced

[shut pier]

pico it is then

not dealing with meta knowing theyre willing to brick an old system for being old

[haughty thistle]

Also friendly reminder that paper specs aren't everything. On paper the StarVR One should have one of the worst pixel densities ttl on the market (given it's relatively low res for the FOV), but in terms of SDE it beats out the Index in my experience.
It doesn't help that a page like VRcompare exists, which treats VR headsets as if all that matters are paper specs. I jokingly call it the UserBenchmark of VR, even though I know it basically is just that...

The Pico 4 is good, don't worry. You might want to look into some comfort mods for the Pico 4, but it's not even close to the worst experience I've personally had 😄

[shut pier]

i only used it as a search bar for vr, nothing else lists all the options

[haughty thistle]

Sure, it's good for finding maybe not as well known VR headsets, but before you decide "this one looks good", maybe have a watch of a few actual reviews of that thing before you jump on one 😉

[weak bluff]

pick what is best dont let hatred affect a good choice

sipinteresting

[haughty thistle]

The compare feature on VRcompare is basically useless tho, given that all it does is compare paper specs. Ofc a Pimax 5k Super beats the Index is raw screen res, but stretched over their respective FOV, the Pimax is way worse, but things like the pixel density over the FOV is ofc not reflected on that page lol

[shut pier]

does the pico g2 even exist

all i see is the 4k

[weak bluff]

dont bother searching rare obscure VR headsets they are collectors or just impossible to buy

they wont be cheaper even if you can find it

newer VR headsets are mass produced or subsidized by billion dollar companies which gives much better value

[shut pier]

pico is literally tiktok

[weak bluff]

yes

If you want to have privacy you can.

just be ready to shelf 3-5x price and you can buy Pico 4 Pro or Quest 2 Enterprise

at grand

https://www.concannonbc.com/oculus-quest-2-for-business-what-you-should-know/

this one wont ask for facebook or meta account

not meant for gaming

Quest 2 business version is $799 with $180 subscription

or you can buy brand new Meta version for $199

[tacit zinc]

Rift S was horrible compared to quest 2, I only have tried vr two times and I'm waiting for oled version of index or some other that works well and is very adjustable

[weak bluff]

i know

i literally

switched from Quest 2 to Rift S

then back to Quest 2

never again

[tacit zinc]

🤣

It's rough

[shut pier]

oh i forgot that the used market exists

[haughty thistle]

With older obscure headsets you can be certain they're not worth using when they don't demand a collectors ransom (aka >600-700 bucks). At least from my experience.
If all you want is a cheap PCVR headset, go with something more well known like the Rift CV1 or OG Vive. Sure they take more setup to get going, and replacement parts might cost as much as a full set, but it's your best option on the used market

[rustic garnet]

3dof 😵

[weak bluff]

GearVR war flashback

the headset that make many people dislike VR

[rustic garnet]

Phone headsets split their audience into two distinct groups: those who see the appeal and promise of the technology and understand that their pocket phone will not provide the best experience
And those who see the failings of the implementation and discard the technology as a whole because they have no foresight

[haughty thistle]

Forgot to mention that with older headsets you can also run into software deprecation issues. The more well known options which sold in (comparitively) large number like the OG Vive or Rift CV1, this is usually not a problem as they sold enough units that there's still people actively using them and so the companies behind them still bother to at least support them in their current software. More obscure options, that's not a guarantee.
Prolly one of the most obscure ones, the StarVR One, you can't even use in the SteamVR 1.27 branch, you have to go back all the way to 1.15, which breaks compatibility with a lot of other titles on Steam. I'm speaking from experience here. It's just not worth the savings.

[haughty thistle]

Phone VR as whole, Google Cardboard, GearVR and the Oculus Go, probably hurt the industry more then it ever helped it...

[rustic garnet]

yeah bc most people fall into the second group

[weak bluff]

Samsung Galaxy S7 released with GearVR as free preorder gift

yikes moment

it was Galaxy Gear smartwatch or GearVR i remember

i think Galaxy S8 too

Samsung even planned successor to GearVR a 6DOF headset with position tracking, eye tracking and face tracking https://www.uploadvr.com/samsung-korean-patent-shows-new-gear-vr-positional-face-eye-tracking/

but then axed project

[haughty thistle]

Wasn't the GearVR also purpose built for specific Samsung Galaxy phones and thus even if you had one, there wasn't any guarantee that it would work with your specific Galaxy phone?

[weak bluff]

and Note 10 is last phoen that can run GearVR

idk how much difference if samsung managed to do that

[weak bluff]

yes but it goes far back like all flagship from Galaxy Note 4 to Galaxy Note 10

its also backward compatible

[haughty thistle]

Ah. I thought there were different versions compatible with only a slim range of Galaxy devices...

[weak bluff]

i think GearVR overall helped Oculus building standalone ecosystem for the millions of customers

[shut pier]

found a cv1 from a probably reputable resaler for 130 so i just went with that

[weak bluff]

idk if CV1 should be recommended anymore

it has OLED which is great

[haughty thistle]

It's one of the cheapest entry ways into VR without being absolute trash or locking you behind a standalone system

I'd still recommend a CV1 over a WMR headset, not least for the reason of the WMR timebomb

And OG Vives are slowly creeping up in price again, 'cause people use them for their Watchmen dongles...

[weak bluff]

Monado is working on WMR compatibility there is small hope but dont buy based on that

[shut pier]

also i only say proably reputable because its ebay

[haughty thistle]

Also Monado is Linux only iirc...

As much as I wanna switch to Linux, VR on Linux has always been... kinda garbage

[weak bluff]

great for living room steam machine

[rustic garnet]

Meh i run my steambox on windows 10 with steam big picture set to autostart

[haughty thistle]

Everything VR is made for Windows, from the drivers, over the VR system software till the games. Except for a very slim selection of headsets, basically no hardware works on Linux, or only parts of it do...
Sure, a lot of it is the software, but it's moving at a snails pace. Last time I tried SteamVR on Linux it was basically in a state of Vive Pre. The lack of ATW was prolly the worst blow...
And some stuff is fault of the open eco system of Linux. If you want a decent desktop control from within VR you'd essentially need to hardcode API paths for virtually every DE out there. If there was one DE, then sure fine, it'd be a solved problem in no time....

[shut pier]

btw this is the shitbox of an area ima be doing vr in

[rustic garnet]

could i suggest some refurnishing

[shut pier]

i just need to remove the old bed from the room behind me in the photo to move my bed in

[little plinth]

though yea pico has better track record for supporting products so far in their history

which isn't long

the Pico Neo 2 was released in 2020

[shut pier]

already got this

[weak bluff]

What are the contents in the box

[haughty thistle]

Looks like 2 cameras, 2 controllers and the headset with a cable

[little plinth]

vrcompare has PPD listed there also

[shut pier]

how do the sensors work?

[little plinth]

it's gonna be tough

i thought my room was small

might want to immediately install pulley system

and silicone covers for the controllers

you are guaranteed to hit someshit

[shut pier]

only really plan to do sit down and on bed

does steam vr handle everything i would need to worry about?

[weak bluff]

Oculus handle it as long you can point it right

The setup is done on oculus software

[rustic garnet]

they're basically cameras that track little IR leds on the headset and controllers

[rustic garnet]

not particularly immersive but ok

[haughty thistle]

Calculated average PPD. Still doesn't tell the full story. Like I already mentioned, based on such assumed values, the StarVR One should be one of the worst, yet it isn't...

[little plinth]

With workload increasing dramatically in the past 2 months i totally understand why VR ain't catching up now kek

everyday i only got like 1 hour of gaming at best

usually separated in 2 sessions of 30 mins

definitely not enough with how much friction is on VR

i end up resorting to easy and quick flatscreen games

[rapid otter]

You probably have enough space, I play in 1.6 m by 2 meters, rearrange it and you should be good

[haughty thistle]

And I just played Beat Saber in a standard size Hotel Room. It can definetly be done. Whether seeing the boundries all the time right up in your face is a good experience, is another story...

[formal willow]

you can just hide them if you can bear the risk

[rapid otter]

I have them set to minimum and close to the actual "walls" you just get used to it

Also fixed my "broken" Q2 controller, for some reason the haptics were super loud and weird, fell from 2 meters now it's brand new

[frail void]

whats the best pcvr headset currently?

that isnt crazy expensive

[rustic garnet]

My space is pretty small 1.6x1.6 meters and i just kinda know where i am at all times somehow, i do have a small carpet in the middle of the room and that combined with the pull of the cable does it i guess

[rustic garnet]

Depends on what you consider best

like which aspects do you value most

but generally the quest 3

[cedar belfry]

that's not bad for a cv1

[vestal pewter]

I'm not planning to get into VR yet, but would my RTX 3060Ti be able to handle games in VR if I ever felt the need to get into VR? I've heard that the graphics card has to render two separate "instances" of a game for VR

[weak bluff]

Yes it can run

But preferably 3060 would last longer

[little plinth]

3060ti would 100% serve you better

VRAM isn't an issue

i don't recall the last time my 3060 actually fill over 8GB

[weak bluff]

Either way works

I like 3060 for future rooms and i dont max out 3060 performance

[little plinth]

3060 struggle on VD medium

so meh

i'd take the Ti anyday considering it's closer to 3070 than it is to 3060

[weak bluff]

If it struggles in VD i don't think they have difference much in codec quality

[little plinth]

i mean FPS wise

[dapper creek]

I bought a 6750xt, 32gb of ddr5 ram, and a ryzen 5 7600. I'm pretty sure I'm set for things like VRChat with my Quest 2 but I just want to double check.

[weak bluff]

yes it is fine

get referral credit for Quest 2 so you can buy Virtual Desktop for free

[warm stirrup]

Do quest 2 purchases transfer to quest 3?

[weak bluff]

yes as long you use same Meta account

[warm stirrup]

Can you have 2 different accounts that you can switch into on quest 3?

[weak bluff]

what do you mean

if you have 2 account in 1 headset you can move to other headset by just logging in

[warm stirrup]

Would it require the phone or can you just log in within the headset

Cause I don't want to do setup each time I log into my account lmao

[weak bluff]

you will always need phone for first time setup or anything purchase related

Meta headsets support multiple account iirc

[warm stirrup]

Ok

[thorny lily]

It will for first time. But if you use the same account everything's transfers.. games.. money.. ect

It's all linked to the account itself

[vestal pewter]

Alright, thanks!

[wind sundial]

Should I get a 3080 (currently have a 9700k) for my quest 2

[weak bluff]

From what GPU?

[wind sundial]

1660 super

[weak bluff]

pretty balanced pc already so 3080 is fine i guess

might want to up CPU in the future

[rustic garnet]

1660 is not up to snuff for modern vr

[devout trail]

Yes it is. My wife’s used one for years. Passed it onto my son’s PC and still cooking just fine. No issues just maybe not the highest fps all the elitists want.

[rustic garnet]

which headset

and which games

[devout trail]

That’s the subjective part.

[rustic garnet]

the elitists in question being people who dont like being motion sick omfg

frames actually matter in vr

[devout trail]

Well that’s not everyone who does VR…..

[rustic garnet]

for flat games sure run it at 40 it will do fine

but

not for vr

[devout trail]

Well a 1660 does beat saber fast enough for my wife to not have complained ever

[rustic garnet]

beat saber 😭

[devout trail]

And it don’t do no 40 fps……

[rustic garnet]

beat saber could run on a switch

[devout trail]

So what….

[rustic garnet]

It's not a very demanding game

at all

[devout trail]

Doesn’t matter. 1660 will run just about any VR game today without a problem.

[rustic garnet]

no 😭

[devout trail]

Show me a game where it will not run.

Not run at a low fps but just flat out will not run on a 1660 then

[rustic garnet]

.......

[devout trail]

Exactly.

[rustic garnet]

Running at a low framerate is a problem

[devout trail]

Ok show me one where’s it’s soo bad no one can use it

You can’t.

[rustic garnet]

probably some parts of alyx

[devout trail]

Have you even used a 1660 in VR ever?

[rustic garnet]

The reviver fight in the hotel struggles on a 1060

STRUGGLES

[devout trail]

Or you just going off the google?

[rustic garnet]

lol

I've used a 1060 with a cv1

[devout trail]

I actually own the card and use it to this day.

Yep and a 1060 is fine still too. Maybe not up to snuff for YOU but does just fine for lots of others.

[rustic garnet]

and sure if you use a vive or rift with it's sub 1080p resolution it can push those pixels but with anything newer it's gonna struggle

[rustic garnet]

next youre gonna say a 1050 is good too 😭

[devout trail]

Ok now youre just moving the goalposts. Yes a 1050 plays VR too…..you know what doesn’t do VR good……Intel Arc GPUs.

[rustic garnet]

im not moving any goalposts

[rustic garnet]

it fucking does not it didn't even perform well in vr games at the time it launched

[devout trail]

You started with what headset and games then now about resolution. Doesn’t matter game or resolution. The card plays VR just fine.

[rustic garnet]

and yea duh so dont buy an arc card for vr

[rustic garnet]

What!!!!!;;;!;!!!!!!'!!#+#8##6&"-$

how does the game not matter

you do understand

that

games like beat saber and horizon zero west have different performance requirements

[devout trail]

But will still run on that hardware regardless.

[rustic garnet]

and you do understand that rendering more pixels takes more performance than rendering fewer pixels

[rustic garnet]

sure at like a dozen frames

[devout trail]

That’s what I said now for the 2nd time. Might seem bad to you but not everyone else

[rustic garnet]

what!

who is everyone else

[devout trail]

1660 doesn’t run like crap.

[rustic garnet]

yes it does

[devout trail]

Show me…..

Show me a YouTube video where a 1660 is just horrible in VR.

[rustic garnet]

show it to yourself if you already have the hardware lol

[devout trail]

I don’t need to lol you’re the one who thinks a 1660 can’t VR when I have one and know it can…..

[rustic garnet]

so prove it

like

[devout trail]

I don’t need to you made the claim it can’t.

[rustic garnet]

youre making the same claim but the other way around and it's a lot easier for you to gather that data because you already have the hardware????

[devout trail]

I think valve, oculus, and Nvidia are going to have a better understanding of that hardware and if it can play VR. I double it would be listed in VR ready GPUs and have plenty of YouTube videos on it playing just about any VR game under the sun…..without issue.

[rustic garnet]

this conversation is pissing me off

[devout trail]

Don’t claim it’s not if you can’t back it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO7OIhZmXns

Well darn it looks like HLA just destroys this 1660.......

or NOT.

[devout trail]

I know right, it pisses me off when people say stupid shit yet it happens every day.

[amber sleet]

1050ti is really impossible to enjoy vr with

[devout trail]

My wife used that before we got her 1060 years ago and that was annoying for ME, but I had a 2080ti at the time so i was used to the fluidity of the higher card. But she still has banked atleast over 2000 hours in beat saber and id easily wager half was on the 1050ti and 1060.

[devout trail]

But she didnt have a problem at all with it. She plays zenith too but that ones always been buggy since its release.

[amber sleet]

exception of beatsaber

im sure if you would make it possible to run vr on a toaster beatsaber would still run decently on it

[devout trail]

Yeah thats just her favorite game. But still just about everything else ran just fine on her quest 1 and cv1. Thats just the biggest problem when some try to talk and say one card is bad or one is good. If they did it already years ago it will still do it just fine now, albeit NOT at the fps or stability that you may be used to on newer hardware. I just find it completely stupid that some people who have never used said hardware, or state that its bad do not actually understand the VR landscape and whats actually condsidered bad or good.

I have plenty of friends who never got motion sickness or any bullshit that everyone says all these cards have problems with. Yet we never had issues using lower end hardware.

Pretty sure one system that we have as extra is an 8350 with a 1660 and it was kicking just fine last november when we used it last. Sure it was the last one to load in EVERYTHING. But we still played games just fine no complaints.

Ugh....just still makes me cry knowing I never got a real multiplayer Robo Recall! I don't know why but that game just tickles me in all the right places lol

[devout trail]

Whats your VR and rig setup lookin like?

[amber sleet]

7600x with a 6800xt and my vr headset is the quest 3

[devout trail]

Oh snap! Very beefy! I like it. Did you use any wired headsets before the quest or mainly stuck to those?

[amber sleet]

tried out the valve index otherwise no not really

quest 3 is my first actual vr headset

[devout trail]

Oh ok nice!

I got a Varjo Aero a few months ago. I gotta say this thing has an amazing fov. It just makes me notice the little things I liked better on my index. Been considering selling the Aero to get something new just dont know what else would be worth trying nowadays.

Thinking its mainly just cause I have to set up base stations n everything as where the wife n kids all can just grab their headsets and go.....really hate how the quest makes it look so much more convenient. But I just dont want to stop using my index or aero depending on which one I keep.

The aero I guess went discontinued a couple months ago so thats whats also got me a bit on the eerie side of keeping it. I don't know the process with Varjo if I need any replacement parts or anything or if they will be available either.

[shut pier]

my controller keeps moving my cursor instead of my ingame controlls how fix

project wingman

with a cv1

nvm

[weak bluff]

So it happens

[devout trail]

Yeah I got that email too. You can taste the forced expiration under the other terms that state “new apps cannot list support for Quest 1 after April 2024”

Well they say quest 1 support is blocked. Just summarizing most of it. Just kinda crap considering it’s still a decent headset.

[quartz horizon]

Guys I need some help with a headset, can someone please help me out?

i recently bought the Dell Vision, and I installed the mixed reality portal, my pc meets all the specs but I'm getting Error 1-4

cable not connected properly, I checked and both cables are plugged in properly

so I tried restarting my p[c

updating my graphics drivers

installing updates, one I couldn't install because of a continuous "download error" message, it doesn't seem important or relevant to the VR tho, it's a security update

i freed up space, tried switching ports

[weak bluff]

you mean Dell Visor?

[quartz horizon]

yeah Dell Visor sorry

I always get those 2 words messed up XD

[weak bluff]

did you plug into USB3.0/3.1/3.2 Gen 1?

[quartz horizon]

No I plugged into the SuperSpeed one!

[weak bluff]

same thing

[quartz horizon]

and I plugged my Vr headset directly into the graphics card

(for the HDMI)

[weak bluff]

Windows 10 or 11?

[quartz horizon]

Windows 10

I'm staying on Windows 10 XD

i've tried googling it, I've tried through the normal windows support, I've checked the websites, tried resetting my graphics driver as well, tried running some reset commands, clearing out some folders and deleting temp files

[weak bluff]

oh display cable

[quartz horizon]

Yeahhh!

[weak bluff]

make sure plugged in well then restart PC

if still does not work open device manager

make sure those thinsg show up

[quartz horizon]

Uhhhhh

little bit of problem

"generic PnP monitor" is the only thing I see

[weak bluff]

seems like cable is toast

WMR wont detect without monitor show headset

you can try whatever until that detects

[quartz horizon]

the weird thing is it kinda worked before? I mean I had no problem with calibration and such

Not calibration

but like

starting to set boundaries up

it detected it, and I got past that error code

[weak bluff]

you may have to find OcuLink WMR cable replacement

[quartz horizon]

Ughhh that's annoying

where can I find them? Jaycar?

and how much do they cost

[weak bluff]

they arent being made anymore prob hope for ebay

[quartz horizon]

well tickle my testicles how coincidental is that

XD

can you please find one for me? I'm in Australia, I

I'm looking and I'm only seeing over priced shit

surely theres some offbrand thing I can get

[quartz horizon]

I fixed it!

[rustic garnet]

How?

[haughty thistle]

Iirc the only WMR headsets with a replacable cable were the HP ones. All others had the cables hard-wired into the unit

[weak bluff]

yikes

[quartz horizon]

Basically I unplugged both the USB cable and the Display Cable from my computer, ensured that my graphics driver was on it's latest version (I use Geforce Experience), turned off the computer for about 20 seconds, turned it back on, connected to the internet and then put the cables back in and then finished setting it up!

[rustic garnet]

huh

neat

good job

[raw grail]

I'm planning to get the quest 3 so that would mean i would also get a new router the supports 2.4 ghz and 5ghz

So that i could use the 5ghz for the quest and then 2.4 for the slime vr i bought

Is that easy to set up? or will it just cause problems

[little plinth]

no reason for me to get a quest now

Native pico beat saber with mods 1.35

[weak bluff]

yes that works that is exactly what i do

[raw grail]

I'm not a tech person at all or anything is it easy to set up or will i have troubles lol?

[weak bluff]

there is no difference to standard way of setting it up

a modern router have simple interface you can set up

[raw grail]

ohh i see
i was told you needed to do alot of stuff since i will be getting the 8 trackers

well im not less worried

xD

[civic axle]

Are AMD gpus bad for vr?

trying to play ACC in VR with my rx 6900xt and 5800x3d and i get like 23ms latency in steam vr

and like 30 fps

using my quest 2 with vr desktop bitrate set to 80ms

im also using latest amd drivers is that the problem?

[rustic garnet]

um 3kx3k render resolution doesn't seem quite right

or does it wait

im not used to using headsets with actually hd panels

[civic axle]

thats whats automaticly set to by steam

[rustic garnet]

yeah that's what im confused about

https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/s/3u9VVbzju7

is steamvr render scale per eye or combined

[civic axle]

i have no idea

[civic axle]

yeah that 122% made me question the res

[rustic garnet]

chat is vd render resolution not accounting for distorsions

[rustic garnet]

idk either i use a wired pc headset and it low key just works 💔

[civic axle]

ill try ig

[rustic garnet]

Try setting it to 100% and bumping some graphics settings down in game?

[civic axle]

but i need that stupid special quest 2 cable for wired vr

[rustic garnet]

you could also try air link or steam link

[rustic garnet]

Nuh uh it's just a usb 3 cable

a long one

[civic axle]

oh ok

[rustic garnet]

But a usb 3 cable nonetheless

[civic axle]

already tried that but the resolution on air link ist dog water

[rustic garnet]

mhmrm

[civic axle]

ive already set it to 100% befoee but it still says 122% now even 173%

[rustic garnet]

there are two separate resolution scale settings

at least

maybe three if the game has one too

[civic axle]

its set to per eye

[rustic garnet]

hm?

that doesn't make sense

[civic axle]

nothing does

[rustic garnet]

What's set to what

[rustic garnet]

i mean that isn't a setting in steamvr

[civic axle]

the steam vr resolution setting

2496x…. is set to res per eye

[rustic garnet]

i dont speak german 💔💔

nor read for that matter

[civic axle]

my steam vr render scale is set to 2.5kx2.5k per eye

thats what you asked earlier, if my render scale is set to per eye or not

[rustic garnet]

ah

right i was just confused bc that isn't a setting you can change

Anyhow 2.5k² sounds right for a 1920 panel + lens distorsion correction

what are your graphics settings in game

[zealous furnace]

my steam VR games keep crashing, usually 1-5 minutes into playing

Kernelbase.dll is the faulting module

Usually vrserver.exe

And vrmonitor.exe

Any ideas?

[civic axle]

ive tried Vr high and Vr low, on both of them i get 30 fps

the problem is the high game latency i have on vr desktop

tried air link works perfectly fine but with worse resolution

i think the problem is that the steam resolution setting interfears with the vr desktop resolution

but even if i set my steam res to 20% i have 70+ ms of game latency

[weak bluff]

if latency is an issue its probably not GPU fault

[little plinth]

damn i forgot how much better looking desktop beat saber is

[dry anvil]

for someone wanting to enjoy vr content while sitting, and maybe some vr chat and maybe skyrim , what would i want for a setup, ?

[weak bluff]

improve comfort maybe

[dry anvil]

huh?

[rich canyon]

Anyone have any discount codes for HTC?

I'm looking at buying some HTC Vive 3.0 trackers and £417 isn't such an agreeable price

[weak bluff]

You can wait for next black friday

[manic orchid]

should i buy my friends valve index for 500 bucks

or should i wait until something better comes

[rustic garnet]

still a respectable headset

but

The quest 2 is 200 bucks new and arguably better

[rapid otter]

Quest for 200 new makes basically everything else a bad deal

[weak bluff]

but also quest 3 lite makes everything else bad deal

senkolaugh

[weak bluff]

if you want index its a good deal

[manic orchid]

im not a big fan of the quest line of headsets

they get too dirty

and the controllers are a bit too uncomfortable in my hands

[rustic garnet]

pro tip clean your gear

[rustic garnet]

and you can get third party grips

[weak bluff]

not a good reason but index is fine

quest 2 is not hard to clean

[manic orchid]

also im not a fan of white electronics

[manic orchid]

i do

[manic orchid]

most are shit

[weak bluff]

you can always cover it with stickers

[manic orchid]

i only do that with my pc case and switch dock

[weak bluff]

anyways $500 is good

just done with the deal

[manic orchid]

and it comes with everything

[weak bluff]

not easy to find $500 elsewhere

make sure it works

[manic orchid]

confirmed

[weak bluff]

often i find it 600 euros, 550 euros

rare 550 pounds

so 500 is a i say close to crossing too good to be true

but not it

[manic orchid]

i mean he did sell me a 3ds xl for 60 bucks

works flawlessly apart from a swollen battery

but that was just an easy replacement

[rustic garnet]

yup

[old walrus]

air link will not work on the oculus quest 2

[wet tundra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342776765397204993/1224909961369354252/20240402_193312.jpg

[round kayak]

Snapback to reality song plays

[flint marlin]

To anyone who bought the quest 3, is it a major upgrade to the quest 2

[weak bluff]

it is upgrade indeed

but major? Yeah if you make full use of it

if you are pure PCVR user, its not a big upgrade

but upgrade regardless

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005004627512944.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.470f2af2RKYuwZ&algo_pvid=1e90cc36-999e-4218-b5ca-95f83a822247&algo_exp_id=1e90cc36-999e-4218-b5ca-95f83a822247-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis!EUR!839.27!310.53!!!882.98!326.70!%402103237317121336404023097e9bb6!12000029889628492!sea!IE!2926113275!AB&curPageLogUid=jZw48T9byc5F&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

310 euro for a displayport headset