virtual-reality

[devout trail]

Have you looked at the new capture cards. Pretty sure elgato has 2 new ones and the external one is actually better than the PCIe version.

EposVox did a big video on it because its external, 50 bucks cheaper than the PCIe version and has more features and resolution support/passthrough

Might be able to do an ITX after all lol

[cedar belfry]

I mean I can always get a USB hub, I've got 2 expansion cards in my board right now. Added 14 whole USB 3.1 type A ports

[devout trail]

Well you don’t want to hub the capture card. The new ones need a 10Gbps port I believe?

If you find the right motherboard you shouldn’t need more USB 🙂

[cedar belfry]

I'm talking about using the hubs for general use, I'd obv use a dedicated 10Gbps port

[devout trail]

Oh right duh my bad lol

Didn’t think that one through but hell most boards have what 6-10 ports on the back nowadays?

How many trackers you adding too? lol

[cedar belfry]

I seen a board that had a PS/2, 2 USB 3.0, and gig Ethernet. That's all

[devout trail]

Well let’s avoid those then haha

[cedar belfry]

None, too broke to afford FBT

[devout trail]

But heck even ITX boards have quite a bit and your case is going to add a couple too. But of course hubs are always useful. Powered hubs that is.

Non powered is fine for kbm but even a decent 3.0 drive you want some power behind it.

[cedar belfry]

I'm gonna miss having 6 onboard USB ports

[devout trail]

Wait why? Which board you got on there you need some more

[cedar belfry]

It was a cheap MSI board

H310M Pro VLH Plus

[devout trail]

Oh my lord what you got going on now!

[cedar belfry]

i don't know ;-;
I'm stupidd

[devout trail]

lol you got me for a loop

I’m over like where’s the AM5 board with lots of usb and ITX lol

[cedar belfry]

Sooo this is what I was able to come up with, I can't get below $1500
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bHjvCd
i didn't look close enough lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZCPvCd

[devout trail]

Ok that looks pretty darn good.

Bout the only little gripe I’d say is drop from 64GB to 32 and bump that GPU up a smidge more and you’re golden.

Can always add another 32 later versus GPU swap and upgrade

[cedar belfry]

Can you do me a favourr and check PSU clearance in the case?

[devout trail]

I shall try! Brb

[cedar belfry]

I literally can't bump the GPU any higher without spending 2 bands. I think the GPU and 64GB is fine tbh

[devout trail]

Yep PSU should fit just fine.

Well I’m only on the GPU part because you said an index is possibly in the future. You’ll basically be in the same “tier” of performance on an index as your current setup with a quest. Only difference would be the quality drops would be gone as you’d be hardwired in.

A 3060 will definitely have its work cut out for it with an index. Now if you were going to just stick to the Qs I’d say yeah you’re set.

[cedar belfry]

I'm going for more VRAM because of texture memory and such, especially with a game like VRChat

[devout trail]

Yeah the VRAM will help for sure. Just on an index that lack of power may become noticeable. But then that could still be well above your personal tolerance too

[cedar belfry]

I can hit 70-80fps on Beat Saber and then VRChat tanks it and converts my computer into a space heater while giving me a solid 15-20

[devout trail]

Well that’s just your quad core screaming in pain lol

Maybe the GPU a bit too with only 3GB lol

VR chat has sooo much more going on than beat saber that would be expected

[cedar belfry]

noodle/mapping extensions entered the chat

[devout trail]

Yeah that game rips apart even some of the best rigs I’ve seen. It’s quite intricate what you can do on that thing.

[cedar belfry]

welll ty for your helpp!

[devout trail]

Oh no problem was fun! I hope you get that rig ASAP!

[cedar belfry]

Well it'll probably be some time next year which by then it'll make the list we created today outdated

[devout trail]

lol no doubt but hey maybe some sales make it cheaper!

[cedar belfry]

I really hope so

I can't believe I'm going AMD - I'll finally have to find a replacement for VT-d

[devout trail]

Well I mean you don’t HAVE to. I was just tryna get ya the highest fps for your money. Swap that 7800x3d for atleast a 13600k and appropriate board and you can stay intel too!

[cedar belfry]

I kinda want to try AMD, people say it has a better upgrade path

and cheaper

[devout trail]

All day every day. Without question

That 7800x3D trumps my 13900k in some games. So you won’t have any issues there 🙂

[weak bluff]

As a former AMD don't buy AMD if you are on standalone the encoder is just worse

20 series and above have great encoder

[devout trail]

Absolutely ^^^

[cedar belfry]

What do you mean by standalone?

[devout trail]

Standalone VR like quest.

Because it has to encode it then send it over your WiFi/AP

[cedar belfry]

Oh hell no. I hated standalone from the start, everything is just dull

also doing some quick math and some what ifs in place, I should have both the Index and new rig anywhere from mid June to mid July

[junior raven]

If in VR it is, I guess that's good to hear, because otherwise, as someone who came from 20 series, the encoder in that gen sucks from my experience. You're better off going with a later gen in my opinion if for encoding alone, but if it works in VR then again, good to hear.

[devout trail]

Hmm never seemed to be an issue on my 2080ti. Did dabble with air link on that a bit but only a couple hours.

But yeah he’s got a 3060 in mind so later gen too. Then even with upgrade path could get something newer down the line.

[cedar belfry]

i think you should like, give your 2080 to me /j

[sullen linden]

i am stuck in quest 2 purgatory till i get a real pc vrheadset

[cedar belfry]

same here man

[weak bluff]

except 20 series and 30 series have same encoder

and 40 series highlight is AV1 encoder

so you dont get much from 20 series and over

from 20 series the difference is minor

you are sure you are not using software encoder?

[junior raven]

No, it was not in software encode with what I did with it when I had it.

[haughty thistle]

Not quite. Didn't the 3090 (and iirc the 3080 as well) have 8k & HDR capable encoders?
Like I remember something about this that the 3090 did have a massive encoder upgrade from the 2080...

(not any new codecs tho, just more efficient and powerful)

[weak bluff]

idk but the codec hardware architecture wise is the same

Nvidia said it themself

same 7th gen Encoder

[weak bluff]

saying that then entire 20, 30 and 40 series does except GA100

AD102, AD103, AD104-400 may be advantageous because it has twice NVENC per chip

aka RTX 4070Ti and up

[haughty thistle]

Feature wise, yes. However, if you take another look at that graphic: TU### (20-Series) uses Gen6 encoders, GA### (30-Series) uses Gen7 encoders. Again, from what I remember it's efficiency improvements that result in better visual quality at the same bitrate. I recall watching a video from 2klicksphillip (or was it 3klicks, I don't remember) about this...

And the Nvenc per chip just tells you how many parallel encode streams the specific die can handle. 1 NVENC chip can handle 2 streams, so a GPU with 2 NVENC chips can handle up to 4 streams. Might be advantageous for streamers, as they can then utilize GPU encode for their Quest and stream using OBS using Nvenc, as the Nvidia drivers always reserve one Nvenc channel for ShadowPlay with no way to turn that off...

[weak bluff]

so streaming VR uses 1 encoder chip even though it is rendered twice?

[haughty thistle]

1 encoder stream, yes. It encodes both eyes into a single framebuffer. Makes it simpler to keep both eyes in sync with one another

[weak bluff]

so i have rtx 2060 super with 1 NVENC chip so when i run Quest 2 Steam Link plus OBS there is encoder penalty compared to if i had 2 NVENC chip

[haughty thistle]

Not even encoder penalty. It just flat out won't work, unless one of the two switches to CPU encoding (which VD I know for sure does; SteamLink might also but not 100% sure). OBS just throws an error when it tries to initiate an Nvenc stream and all are occupied...

[weak bluff]

that is weird

i am checking and i am sure I have NVENC on OBS

and I played on Steam Link at same time

[haughty thistle]

Then Steam Link prolly switched over or something. I've noticed this myself that at some point OBS stopped throwing an error, however I know for sure from my Jellyfin GPU encode adventures that 1 Nvenc chip can only handle two video streams period and if you try to exceed that limit, you'll just run into an error...
Now that I think about it, there also could've been an update to the Nvidia driver that disabled the force reservation for Shadow Play 🤔

Welp either way, it doesn't really matter for quality how many Nvenc chips your GPU has, it only tells you how many simultanious encode streams your GPU can handle...

[weak bluff]

now i need to check how to manually switch encoder for steam link

is it even more weird that I only start OBS after Steam Link is successful

so Steam Link may not have used NVENC in first place

[devout trail]

And even thats incorrect. Nvidia was at 2 streams for awhile, then upped it to 3. And now basically every NVENC gen can support up to 8 streams per NVENC even on previous gen cards back before 10 series. Also the amount of NVENC chips didnt tell how many streams you can handle because some of them had 2 NVENC per chip and were still at the 2 stream limit even as far back as the 960. Nvidia changed them in 2022, 23 and now 24 as they updated the encoder.

[devout trail]

The GA100 didnt have encoder because thats nothing consumer based. Those were on lots of the CMP cards and the A series professional cards. But yes youre correct the encoder was the exact same from the 20 to 30 series. We got the big NVENC update that started to use the frame buffer itself for capturing the stream before encoding instead of the previous method of sending it off the GPU taking more time/cycles from the encoder. It was a small quality upgrade like chickenbread said. Its just the wiki page omits some of those columns giving some misleading info.

https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new

This page has the full list and specs of each gen, amount of streams per chip and every mode support. Should be a little more informative than wiki.

[manic crag]

my quest 2's see through thing doesnt work in the left eye for osme reason, worked until recenely a week ago before i went on vacation and it still doesnt work.

[little plinth]

So sony is working on officially making psvr2 compatible with PC natively

Interesting

[weak bluff]

probably not natively likely via streaming

[little plinth]

It's native as in it's official from sony
It's not a native pcvr headset

[weak bluff]

ye

[little plinth]

Meaning you don't need some workaround

[weak bluff]

this news really kills iVRy sanity

[little plinth]

Hence native streaming

All that work for nothin

[dull tide]

I'm wondering how the controls are going to differ.

[rapid otter]

That's really interesting thanks

[valid marlin]

Is the quest 3 a decent upgrade from the quest 2? Thinking about selling my quest and upgrading but not sure.

[little plinth]

Visually yes

Lenses much better

Higher resolution

Less laggy standalone games

[valid marlin]

is the hand tracking any better?

[sullen linden]

I was thinking what if i bought a google cardboard(with a strap),install a app that lets me play pcvr games,get driver4vr and use joycons as controllers

[valid marlin]

i’m gonna tell you right now it’s gonna suck. you’re only gonna have 3 degrees of movement, with no control tracking either with an awful resolution

not a lot of PC VR games you can play without controller tracking or spacial tracking

[sullen linden]

Welp i'm stuck with my quest 2 and eero repeater

[little plinth]

It's gonna be a shit experience

Cardboard singlehandedly made many doubt vr

[sullen linden]

But what about phone hotspot on virtual desktop or steam vr

Will it work? Or no

[little plinth]

Phone hotspot gonna be worse than whatever wifi repeater you have rn

[sullen linden]

Shit,fine i'm getting a very long eithernet cable to connect the repeater to the modem.

I think that would work

Its my only option left

[valid marlin]

what’s wrong with your quest 2?

[thorny lily]

It feels better ig, I haven't used my q3 all that much but still

Feels better to wear and jus looks a lot better when using it

[valid marlin]

Thanks for the input! I’ve been wanting to buy it for a bit. and i might be taking a crack at vr app development so the upgraded specs would be nice.

Have you used immersed with your q3 at all?

[thorny lily]

uhhh

[valid marlin]

if not all good

[thorny lily]

Well I'm not very tech smart or anything lol.. had to Google what that was

I'm jus gonna say no

[valid marlin]

basically mirror ur pc screen to ur quest lol

[thorny lily]

But I can say compared to the q2 the q3 is a lot nicer to wear, it feels smoother better graphics more or less ect

I only rlly used it a few times for vrc but I plan to play more VR games eventually after I get special lenses cause glasses annoying to wear with it

[thorny lily]

Oh

My VR is typically alr on my PC via steam VR

If that's what you mean

[valid marlin]

i have glasses but idk if i’d get inserts cuz my prescription is pretty minor

[weak bluff]

quest 2 is like swiss army knife for dev you can use it for both Quest and PCVR platform

[valid marlin]

ah

[thorny lily]

I get headaches if I don't have them for awhile and VR without them is jus terrible

I tried, felt so incredibly sick

[weak bluff]

you can force yourself to tolerate better or get car sickness meds

[valid marlin]

really? i never use my quest with glasses

[thorny lily]

And I'm not getting contacts so

[valid marlin]

what kind of prescriptions do u have 😭

[thorny lily]

Idk

[weak bluff]

i use Quest 2 with both glasses and prescription and i can say both works but prescription is much more comfirtable

[valid marlin]

oh how’s the headstrap? is it shit like quest 2s?

[thorny lily]

It's the same but better?

It feels more comfortable but I blame that being that I'm not wearing a damn brick on my eyes

[valid marlin]

my poor quest headstrap went thru hell. it broke and i stapled it together to get thru a long vr chat session with friends

[thorny lily]

[valid marlin]

oh and is the facial interface good?? i remember the original one making my face itch on my q2

[thorny lily]

Also yea, I've always been this way towards not wearing glasses n jus VR overall

[thorny lily]

Can this be elaborated a bit more.. jus so ik what I'm saying

Sorry lmao

[valid marlin]

the quest 2 had this like awful fabric spongy facial interface. it would soak in sweat and itch ur face. had to replace it with a slicone one

[thorny lily]

Oh the rubber against your skin

That actual headset

[valid marlin]

ya

i can’t find a photo of it cuz it got recalled lol

[thorny lily]

Idk about long playtimes (most I did was an hour or so) and it felt better than an hour via q2 I can say that

[valid marlin]

i see

[thorny lily]

It's a lot more comfortable tho

In jus Abt every way to the q2

[valid marlin]

yeah that’s another reason why i’m tempted to buy it

[thorny lily]

Well you said selling ur q2

Jus a fyi.. good luck

[valid marlin]

how come?

[thorny lily]

Cause kina everyone did that

Q3 came out, tons wanted to get rid of q2

I gave mine to my mother so she n my sister can do VR so I upgraded to q3 with some extra savings

[valid marlin]

i have a few friends irl that have been wanting to get into vr, and with me giving them like the carrying case and stuff i don’t think it’ll be impossible to sell

[thorny lily]

Selling to them sure that'd be easy

But general market I feel would be.. hard

[valid marlin]

if not i’ll just work some more shifts until i have enough saved

[thorny lily]

I do highly recommend q3 over q2 if you ofc have the money for it, otherwise ur better of for now sticking with the q2

Jus my personal opinion tho as having used both

[valid marlin]

or should i save for an apple vision pro ☺️

[thorny lily]

Eh

No comment, I hate apple so that's my take

[valid marlin]

i’m kidding. i tried the vision pro and it was cool. but not 3500$ cool

[thorny lily]

Overpriced as hell

This world ain't ready for real life ready player one breh

[valid marlin]

i’d at least try the apple store demo if u have one nearby. the eye tracking is really good

[thorny lily]

Tho ig it's jus vr chat but better

[thorny lily]

As far as I know of I don't have any

I have a best buy

[valid marlin]

best buy does quest 3 demos right?

i remember seeing that

[thorny lily]

Yea

They did

I think they still do

Mine did anyways

[valid marlin]

might have to do that before i give a definite yes then

what was the demo like? was it very guided or did they set you loose

[thorny lily]

I never tried it tho, I wanted q3 to have my own VR headset I bought

[valid marlin]

ohh

[thorny lily]

I did the same for my switch, got OLED gave the older one to my sister

Upgrades

[valid marlin]

lol

i just recently pulled out my switch for the new splatoon

[thorny lily]

My sister tried it last time we went Abt 2? Weeks ago

[valid marlin]

but the oled never seemed worth the upgrade to me

[thorny lily]

I can probably ask her but it's 3am rn so it won't be for hours

[thorny lily]

I bring that thing everywhere, The bigger screen, OLED screen, and the bigger kickstand jus sold me

[valid marlin]

nah ur good

[thorny lily]

• my sister gave me a bit to buy it since we went on a week long trip shortly after and she doesn't have a portable console besides a ds

Also she wanted Zelda

[valid marlin]

i’ve only been using my switch for modding and the new splatoon lol. i considered getting rid of it but it has too many memories

[thorny lily]

I use it for yt mainly

1.7k hours rn

[valid marlin]

lmao so real for that

i have a good 30 hours in xbox game pass streaming for quest 2

[thorny lily]

Yt on da TV

[valid marlin]

which prob isn’t healthy but 🤷

[thorny lily]

I rlly needa use VR more

[valid marlin]

i’m very on off when it comes to vr. but when i’m on a high point with it I use it a lot

[thorny lily]

But I find it more fun playing with my gf or my sister.. gf is I'm college and sister is at work a lot so I kina never use it

In* dumb autocorrect

I'll find good VR games eventually I can play solo

[valid marlin]

dude i’d love this thing for college. With the app i was talking about before i can give my laptop 3 massive ass screens for homework

[valid marlin]

underdogs is really good. it’s a rouge like mech fighting game

bonelab is really fun

[thorny lily]

I'll look at them

[valid marlin]

lemme see what else i got

into the radius is a hard ass single player game but it’s soooo good and immersive

tea for god is also an amazing game. instead of moving with controllers you move by walking around a non euclidean space

[thorny lily]

I have vrc andddd

I think that's it

[valid marlin]

lol

[thorny lily]

Galgun2 ig, but it isn't only VR

It can be VR for dlc, which I'll get to eventually

[valid marlin]

i’ve never been into vrc, i’ve literally never been into a public room before. just private games with friends

[thorny lily]

Vrc is fun if you're with some friends to be with in public areas

Otherwise my anxiety is jus "I'm alone here"

[valid marlin]

and with no balling pc to play it (and the quest 2 port being ass) i just never got into it

oh did ur quest 3 come with asgard wrath 2?

[thorny lily]

Uuuuuhhhhh

That's a good question

[valid marlin]

i’ve wanted to play that cuz ppl said it was really good. and it coming with a quest 3 purchase would be slay

[thorny lily]

I'm gonna assume no, cause that woulda been advertised no?

I jus got quest3 no like bundle special thingy

Unless it's jus on there without saying it is

[valid marlin]

should’ve come with it

[thorny lily]

Then it probably did

Genuinely no damn clue

Maybe I'll check tomorrow idk

[valid marlin]

lol

def check it out. i heard great things about it

[thorny lily]

I can try

[valid marlin]

welp i should prob sleep, thanks for all the advice!

[thorny lily]

Yw

[dull tide]

Anyone know of any Quest 2 games for someone who wants an RPG experience?

[rustic garnet]

why would you do that if you have a quest 2 ...

[sullen linden]

Nothing but i've been trying to get pc vr to work

Its been a pain in the ass

[weak bluff]

what is wrong with connecting to PC

i think buying a dedicated router would be better investment

[rustic garnet]

If connecting a quest has been a pain imagine how painful connecting a cobbled together cardboard/joycon mess will be to connect

[sullen linden]

i guess it would be more painful

i should have bought a valve index

[cedar belfry]

real

[sullen linden]

even know its $999.00

for that bullshit of a headset

[gloomy crater]

Or do what I did and get a Reverb G2 while you wait for the Deckard to be announced. Since they're really cheap right now and new headsets will probably be announced way before WMR gets axed for good, the G2 is pretty much perfect for people waiting for better PCVR headsets to be announced.

[valid marlin]

just buy a link cable

[sullen linden]

I already have 2 and they suck

1 is the offical link cable and 2 is a usb 2.0 cable

[cedar belfry]

well 3 you're kinda dumb for buying the official link cable and 4 you're also kinda dumb for buying a USB 2.0 cable

[sullen linden]

i blame myself for getting into this crisis

i'm going to stick to playing non vr mode in vrchat

[sullen linden]

5 i'm also also stupid for buying a quest 2

I'm throwing away the usb 2.0 cable and keeping the official link cable because i wanna use it as a charger for long vr sessions

for gorilla tag and quest version of vrchat

[valid marlin]

@thorny lily Managed to sell my quest 2 today and bought a quest 3 lol

[thorny lily]

[valid marlin]

gotta wait for all my games to redownload

[thorny lily]

The worst part lmao

[valid marlin]

and gamestop gave me 25$ off so that slays

[thorny lily]

Nice

[weak bluff]

Specifically? Is imagine quality bad or connection bad?

Rather this may be PC issue what PC spec do you have?

[warm stirrup]

I mean I agree quest 2 sucks, compression is bad and the bugs are the worst

Especially if you don't have the best optimized setup for it like a dedicated wifi 6 router and all dat

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 should always get good encoder to compensate for its weakness

speaking from experience with me who used Quest 2 with GTX 1050Ti, GTX 970, RX 580, RX 6600 XT, RTX 2060 Super

[hallow cliff]

all those gpus kinda suck for vr

580 probably being the best as long as it was 8gb

[weak bluff]

580 is great if you are desperate budget

i tried both RX 580 4GB and RX 580 8GB

[hallow cliff]

or the 2060s because of the virtuallink port

[weak bluff]

my 2060 does not have it nor Quest 2 can take advantage of it

virtuallink is optional for AIB

[hallow cliff]

ive played quest 2 vr on a 2070s, and index on a 3080ti

yeah its a shame really

[weak bluff]

it died in just 1 generation

[hallow cliff]

vlink is so cool too

playstation uses a weird encoded version of it for psvr2

ngl i really want a quest 3 but next time i spend that much is probably gonna be an ipad

and i have an index already

[hallow cliff]

if you want to get into vr get a quest 3. hands down the best vr product right now

[thorny lily]

I agree

[weak bluff]

best feature pack

but to me Quest 3 feels like how Samsung used to jam feature into their flagship

Samsung phone used to have heart rate monitor, GearVR, hand gesture on their phone. Yes feature is cool but it never lived. Will Quest 3 feature meet same fate?

[dull tide]

How does the Quest App Store handle people using both devices at the same time? Bought a game and was wondering if me and a friend can play the same game at the same time at coop. Quest 2 and Quest 3.
Game Dungeons of Eternity

[thorny lily]

It'd still be the same platform no? Don't see why it wouldn't work

[tardy hemlock]

there was only one issue with the Q3 that got shortly fixed, it was downloads being PAINFULLY slow, turns out it was meta doing it in my country cause of christmas and i thought it was a bug because my other friends didnt have it, other then that its a great headset

[weak bluff]

well traffic tends to overload servers ofc it will

[thorny lily]

^

[tardy hemlock]

yh, it was quite sad when i got it i couldnt use it for 2 weeks cause i only had like 1 game installed on it, but it got fixed and i can FINALLY beat MOH above and beyond

[weak bluff]

make sure you are using right local region

[tardy hemlock]

ill do that

[sullen linden]

i predict that the valve deckard would be announced between may or july.

[hallow cliff]

that certainly would be nice

[rustic garnet]

lol sure

[little plinth]

Least high on copium valve fan

[weak bluff]

Lol lmao copium indeed

[rustic garnet]

sure it would make business sense

having been ~a console generation since their last one and their competitors releasing new hotness recently

but

We all know valve doesn't care about what would make the most money

they just dont need to

[gloomy crater]

My prediction for deckard was it would be announced Q2 of next year, so another like 14 months from now

Everything is just a bit too quiet right now for anything that big to be that close to being announced

[weak bluff]

I don't think RDNA4 is ready for deckard

Valve is waiting for something better

[cosmic monolith]

Time travel

[real pasture]

real

[rapid otter]

It would be hilarious if they called it the prism 😆

[hallow cliff]

i tried the vision pro yesterday, it is definitely the most apple vr headset

FOV was way lower than i would like but they kind of round it out so it kind of looks like goggles. but it was honestly a great thing to try

[patent flume]

So when I connect my quest 3 to my pc via air link it works but when I plug it up to my of via my cable it doesn’t detect my headset. I have tried different cables and ports

[weak bluff]

if you are on AMD try updating BIOS

[thorny lily]

Is there any benefits to using airlink over cable other then not needing to deal with having a cable constantly connected

I've been told jus having a cable is better but I'm curious if there any upsides to it

[weak bluff]

none

maybe to load less on USB controller

which most PC can spare USB bandwidth and control a lot anyways

[haughty thistle]

Using a cable on Quest doesn't have nearly as many benefits as on a native PCVR headset, but it does still have it's benefits on Quest:
At least in my experience using a high quality USB 3 cable I was getting way better latency on my Quest Pro then over Wifi and also it looked to have had a better image quality. Not by much mind you (300mbps HEVC on cable vs 150mbps HEVC on VD isn't much difference) but it certainly performed visibly better in my test for compression artifacts 😄

The way I test for compression artifacts is in Beat Saber in the beginning of a Custom map called "The Wall". At the bottom there's a bunch of clouds which cycle through a number of different colors in the beginning with the Choma mod, and what I noticed is that compression on Quest really struggles with that for some reason. The DisplayLink compression on the Vive Wireless Adapter doesn't struggle not even close as much...

[thorny lily]

[dull tide]

What cable btw?

[haughty thistle]

As far as the Quest is concerned, as long as it's USB 3 it doesn't matter. I've recently switched over to the Kiwi Design 5m cable, but previously was using a 0.9m Anker PowerLine+ cable with a 5m extension. Worked well enough

[weak bluff]

I could not confirm this but why Quest transfer speed is limited to said speed like 600Mbps? What is preventing it from transfering more and higher quality, higher bitrate video data? I know many plays role like encode speed, network/USB bottleneck, decode speed, latency but which of those is preventing from doing more?

[haughty thistle]

A. encoding at higher bitrates also puts a higher strain on your PC, so it makes sense to limit it somewhere and B. USB is a shared medium. Sure 5gbps sounds like a lot, but if you have a bunch of other stuff plugged into that same controller you're not getting that speed. So you'll have to draw a line somewhere. With Wifi there's also the added "fun" that with a higher network load, you also get a higher latency (essentially send/receive more data = higher latency & more devices connected = higher latency). That's why the Quest limits bitrate so much more when on Wifi.
Right, I forgot, 500mbps is actually what Quest Link runs at on cable, but only under ideal conditions, which is the Quest basically being the only USB 3 device on the entire controller. Get's kinda unstable if you have other devices on the controller, so usually it's more like 300mbps realistically...

[barren zealot]

look

i bought an index on christmas of 2021

i thought i'd never betray gabeN, and the index is a legitimately fantastic headset with a lot going for it, and the knuckles are the best vr controller that has ever been made

but rn i'm typing this message strapped to my quest 3, with a gigantic virtual screen just floating in my room

and my index kit is in its box waiting for a new owner because i' can't go back, the pancake lenses and the display are just plain better

[weak bluff]

cant blame you

its not in valve interest to refresh Index

[barren zealot]

i never even intended to get a quest, i hate facebook and i despise zuck as an individual

but this is an amazing piece of hardware

[barren zealot]

they're gonna have to at some point, if deckard can be the vision pro for windows/linux i would pay any amount of money for it

[weak bluff]

yeah but deckard is not a simple refresh

also they dont have to

they can betray you anytime

they dont have to please us we are the beggars

[barren zealot]

i know i know

[weak bluff]

i should not say that becaus ei dont want that to be real

Valve did say they are working on it

if you are new to Valve time then you better wait

its a reference to this lol https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

[barren zealot]

i know valve time lol

[weak bluff]

so yeah buy Bigscreen Beyond or Quest 3 then enjoy life

[little plinth]

The only benefit of the index rn is probably the lower latency and lower overhead

[weak bluff]

Index is great for beat saber

[little plinth]

But I don't think it's worth the visual downgrade over Q3

[weak bluff]

its best for gaming low latency

[little plinth]

Wired is yuck

I can't go back after using wireless

[barren zealot]

like i'm happy with the quest but there's those few irritating things, like the awful UI, the fact that i can't be in a virtual environment without having to be one of those awful avatars

[little plinth]

I love being able to freestyle and spin like a dummy

Without being tangled and trip

[barren zealot]

i can't get wireless to work so i'll stick to the link cable

[weak bluff]

hey Quest is a subsidized headset just buy it and never use standalone

[little plinth]

And also it made blade and sorcery so much more immersive

Being able to do crazier moves

When i was on cable it's sooo fucking distracting

[weak bluff]

try wireless and never go back

what is wrong with your wireless setup

[barren zealot]

firstly, the router is two rooms away, and i can't drill a cable to my computer

[little plinth]

My wireless setup is pretty simple

Internet router > dedicated router > pc (ethernet) and VR (wifi6)

[weak bluff]

then instead of buying a cable buy a router

use a router as both wifi receiver for your PC and as wireless sender to headset

[barren zealot]

you'd think that but after researching a bit it turns out that some routers don't like being used for vr

[weak bluff]

well you di dnot research enough

[barren zealot]

virtual desktop has an entire section dedicated to problematic routers

[weak bluff]

beryl is one of great router for that

oh you read that

[little plinth]

Not really, as long as it isn't some low end shit box it'll most likely work

[weak bluff]

because virtual desktop have entire section for best routers too

VD does not even discourage that

[barren zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_vk6cpPtxA&t=3s

this?

[weak bluff]

yes

https://store.gl-inet.com/collections/travel-ac-router/products/beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-wi-fi-6-wireless-travel-gigabit-router

this is one of top recommended ones

but actuaolly a lot works that provide some value

but this specific beryl is great for efficient, low pwoer and tiny

[barren zealot]

not even gigabit though

[weak bluff]

ok here is the 2.5Gbit ver https://store.gl-inet.com/collections/travel-ac-router/products/beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-wi-fi-6-wireless-travel-gigabit-router

[barren zealot]

zamn

https://tenor.com/view/zamn-gif-23821732

[weak bluff]

there is the cheaper wifi 5 gigabit version

https://store.gl-inet.com/collections/travel-ac-router/products/slate-plus-gigabit-travel-router-gl-a1300

[little plinth]

wifi5 not recommended

better than 4 but 6 latency is much better

[barren zealot]

i'll look into it later when i have some cash, my last free 100 bucks went to the kiwi design battery strap and AMVR facial interface

[weak bluff]

there may be other options too

if you are on desktop pc maybe buy a full size router instead of this travel size

[little plinth]

Quest 3 strap being mandatory to replace has been keeping me from upgrading from my pico 4

if only they came with something like quest pro

need to buy
-new prescription lense
-new face cover
-strap
easily another 100 for the upgrade

also damn the friction on VR is actually quite... a problem

i still have a decent amount of freetime but the friction made me haven't touch VR in a while

easier to play something easier to start

[barren zealot]

i am but frankly space and outlets in my room are at a bit of a premium

[weak bluff]

then this seem to be perfect

[barren zealot]

so a router that somehow has the capability of a full sized, but that i can power from my pc's usb-c port is WILD

[little plinth]

i don't think it can be powered from pc usb

[weak bluff]

yes and not having too many ethernet port is not an issue

[little plinth]

can it?

PC USB is like what 500mA?

2.5w

[weak bluff]

have to check power consumption

[little plinth]

prob need a powerbrick anyway but you can use a regular charger

[barren zealot]

not the front IO, the motherboard

[little plinth]

yes the motherboard same

[weak bluff]

5V 3A needed

[little plinth]

unless the motherboard specifically state high power charging

[weak bluff]

15W

[little plinth]

you'd need a fast charging brick from a phone

or a powerbank

[barren zealot]

i can charge my phone pretty well from mine

[weak bluff]

if it can deliver 5V 3A then it will work so maybe

check motherboard manual

my monitor have USB PD that can deliver that kinda

[barren zealot]

yeah i think vr games and especially vr headsets have to still develop to reduce that

but i've been strapped to this thing just... studying

immersed app, 3 giant screens, notes in the center and papers and textbooks on the right and left

[little plinth]

i used to use immersed

but god damn real monitors are better

[barren zealot]

apple was right to focus on spatial computing

[little plinth]

i'm planning to get another 2 to have a 4 monitor setup

[barren zealot]

idk about that tbh

like i'll give you a stupid case

my father is a surgeon radiologist

his monitors cost 5k euros

the vision pro achieves a comparable resolution, he could literally throw away his setup and replace it with a macbook pro and a vision pro

[little plinth]

Not needing to wear a bulky thing on my face and being able to use my high resolution eyes is better

also why are those monitors so expensive

the vision pro itself has 4k per eye but that does not mean the projected screens are also 4k btw

[hallow cliff]

honestly that's about what i expect. quest 3 looks really appealing, but i think im gonna keep the index kit to maybe get a bigscreen beyond in the future

[barren zealot]

Oh i mean for gaming yeah, if you can those are THE choice

[hallow cliff]

doesn't matter tbh its high enough res to not notice

[barren zealot]

But the quest 3 is THE product for trying out the actual future of VR, which is not only gaming

[little plinth]

Using regular multi monitors are still better and more comfy

[hallow cliff]

yeah vision pro is still pretty heavy

of course the demo is with the knitted strap and not the cross band one

[barren zealot]

We'll see how it all evolves

[little plinth]

Unless you need to walk around

If you stay at your desk a lot and only use your monitors at your desk, monitors >>>

[barren zealot]

Vision pro is lighter than the index anyway, it's just a strap designed to not be goofy

[hallow cliff]

yeah id hope so, the index is 5 years older and like 850g

ive heard the quest 3 is lighter than vision pro without the battery pack though

[little plinth]

Quest 3 is lighter no matter the config

[hallow cliff]

which if its true thats really impressive

so is oculus shitty strap finally pretty good?

[little plinth]

No still shit

You still need a replacement strap to make it actually comfy

[hallow cliff]

oh yeah btw vision pros speakers are pretty decent. id say near but not matching index quality

i thought that was really inpressive because its a similar design to the quests speakers

its wild how the vision pro is 650g without the battery weight included.
quest 3 is 515

[little plinth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/indonesia/comments/1azdhhc/soto_2077/

Street food vendor

using a vision pro

also the vision pro is 4.4k there

well i guess you can tell business is booming for him

[hallow cliff]

i am excited to see a meta and apple rivalry in the ar space

and its interesting seeing meta having the lead

[weak bluff]

they can fight but all i want is VR

dont care about XR, AR

s_cat_hello

Meta pls

[jade abyss]

the vision pro is made for apple devs

there is no "competition"

vision pro is for apples software engineers

[hallow cliff]

ehhhh

[jade abyss]

meta quest is for gaming

[hallow cliff]

well yeah vision pro isnt for gaming

but saying its only for apple devs is like saying chat gpt is only for microsoft employees

its a shame how much apple hates gaming too, because im sure with the right support vision pro would be super capable

[jade abyss]

did u see ztt new tiktok?

he said apple is gonna add good mac gaming

[hallow cliff]

ztt? whos that

[jade abyss]

zachs tech turf

[hallow cliff]

and im not on tiktok, is there an article or youtube or instagram video

[jade abyss]

he does yt shorts and ig reels

[hallow cliff]

well i also found an article on it, apparently gaming was a core part of apples silicon. but still most games arent compatible on m series chips

just mobile games

[jade abyss]

thats why apple sucks 💀

[hallow cliff]

apple either needs a proton like emulator or they need some other way to translate to standard format. no one will make games for m series if they dont try to adapt to current developments

[barren zealot]

horrible

UFD tech tier

deplorable despicable shorts farmers

[rustic garnet]

right 😭😭

it's somehow even more casual content than ltt

[hallow cliff]

i actually liked UFD for a while but not so much anymore

they usually highlight some good deals too

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, back in like 2020 when it was just the one dude, they did one video a week recapping major hardware news and releases, and they didn't do shorts, it was pretty good. Nowadays it's all shorts farming and pumping out content just for the ad revenue. I have no grasp of when new hardware gets announced cause all the youtubers I used to watch for hardware news content have turned into content farmers or shills

[austere sleet]

May I humbly recommend https://www.youtube.com/@ThrillSeekerVR for some VR release content. He has some priorities in VR that I don't necessarily share, but his information seems solid.

[gloomy crater]

Oh I'm subbed to thrillseeker. One of the ~3 or so channels I still watch for actually solid VR content. I'm more talking about general PC hardware coverage, and channels that used to make good content on new and upcoming releases that have fallen off since then.

[dull tide]

I like his video content but find his community a firehose

Thrillseaker , Beardo Banjo, and UpIsNotJump

But I feel like UINJ’s content is a bit over the shark and (annoyed) feels dated

[weak bluff]

oh shillseeker

honestly no vr youtubers satisfy me

i prefer old thrillseeker

[haughty thistle]

True dat. He does seem to shill quite a bit. But Kings of the VR shills imo are still Mystical and VoodooDE...

At least the news vids from Thrillseeker are pretty decent

[weak bluff]

thank you so much for agreeing with me

minoDespairOld

[dull tide]

Oh neat. Helldivers 2 is in the VR modding community now

[rapid otter]

Has anyone tried " modded " flat screen games in VR and actually has a good time

Looks so stupid to me 🤷

[warm stirrup]

Yeah...minecraft worked fine

[rapid otter]

Isn't there a native VR Minecraft game ?

[warm stirrup]

Technically, but it's the "gear vr edition" or whatever, it's shit, so a mod dev made vive craft

[rapid otter]

Ho good to know

I thought vive craft was obsolete

[haughty thistle]

There's like 3 different versions of MCVR:

• Bedrock Edition (Oculus PC Store)
• Bedrock Edition (Windows Store/Mixed Reality)
• ViveCraft Mod
  The Version on the Oculus store and the Windows Store are very similar with the only difference being the hardware they support. The Oculus one only works with Meta Hardware (CV1, Rift S, Quest 1/2/3/Pro) and the second one only with Windows Mixed Reality Headsets. I have tried this version a while back on WMR and it's actually pretty nice. You get the option to either play fully immersive (with some funky button mappings tho) or in a sort-of virtual gamer cave with a giant screen that runs Minecraft in stereoscopic 3D (so kinda flat but also not). This virtual game cave mode iirc is exclusive to the official VR Version of Minecraft that is built on top of Minecraft Bedrock Edition (which also means no mods).
  ViveCraft on the other hand is a mod for Minecraft Java Edition and just runs through SteamVR. This one can only do fully immersive mode, but also works with any headset and has customizable button mappings and all. Plus because it's Java MC, you can run it with mods 😎

[rapid otter]

I know everything about VR Minecraft thanks

Anyone played into the radius on 3090/ti 4080, can you max it and how well does it look/run ?

[real pasture]

nope, it has been updated and is still maintained, now also has a native fabric and forge version too

and gets new features that werent in the original vivecraft mod by jrbudda, like the ability to go non-vr so you dont need to delete/move the mod out of the mods folder, etc

really great stuff

https://modrinth.com/mod/vivecraft

[rapid otter]

I meant obsolete as in Minecraft has an official better version so no one uses yt anymore...

[warm stirrup]

Chickenbread is awesome lol they're like the encyclopedia of VR

[haughty thistle]

More like a walking book of useless and random knowledge lol

[rustic garnet]

hey someone's gotta do it

[oak sphinx]

PICO4 is it good?, like ive seen many mixed reviews about it and i want a proper opinion. I wanna get it for pcvr as its pancake lenses ,half the Weight of the Q2 and its got higher resolution than Q2

[haughty thistle]

It's not half the weight of the Q2 lol
Who told you that BS?

The P4 is a decent headset, but it's out of box comfort is kinda terrible just like the Quest. It has better weight balancing, but that's about it when it comes to comfort. Audio is quite lacking but usable, the controllers feel meh and the software is kinda terrible honestly. If you do decide on getting the P4 immediatly skip the official Pico streaming client and go straight for Virtual Desktop. The Pico Streaming Assistent is prolly the worst PCVR streaming client I've tried to date, and that includes the early ALVR builds for the Quest 😬
Also, look out for the lenses. The Pico 4 might have pancake optics, but they're very low quality ones. They have quite a bit of internal reflections (which to some, including me, look worse then glare from fresnel rings) and one quite a percentage of units the entire FOV has a sort of wavy distortion to it.

I haven't tried the Quest 3 for comparison, but compared to the Quest 1 and Quest Pro, the Passthrough on the Pico is miles ahead in clarity and usability, just be aware that it's entirely 2D with 0 depth perception (unlike literally every other passthrough I've tried)

On the other hand, I can say that the screen quality of the P4 is on-par with the Quest Pro, and actually delivers a slightly sharper and more detailed picture then the Quest Pro (although at the cost of vibrancy and contrast). Tracking was a complete non-issue for me and the weight balancing was genuinely nice. Not even the Quest Pro feels as well balanced 😮
However the lack of a headphone jack was a real downer, and having tried my active USB-C to 3.5mm adapter I can also say that that is not an option either (USB adapters for some reason add about as much latency as Bluetooth would making it unusable for rythem games like Beat Saber). Lastly I should mention that the Pico store doesn't have nearly as many software titles on there in case you are interested in standalone gameplay, and given that Pico is kinda leaving the market entirely (parent company ByteDance is pulling the plug on Pico as we speak), I doubt that will change any time soon...

Apparently Ubisoft, who had a contract with Pico to develop Just Dance VR exclusively for Pico, was told by Pico that they should bring their project elsewhere because they are shuttering that part of the business...

[weak bluff]

so Pico 4 potential is held back by software and price

[oak sphinx]

Man, i just want a vr headset that actually works great with pcvr. I wanna play some titles, idek at this point. Feels pointless to even get any vr because the quest 2 looses support next year, and the quest 3 seemingly has alot of issues, and the rift S is too old now.

[little plinth]

The bedrock one on ms store isn't wmr only

It works with SteamVR also

I played it on my pico 4

[little plinth]

The software is usable enough

Meta keeping all the exclusives contribute to it dying

Pico isn't leaving the market entirely, they're shifting to the high end market

Which is an odd move

Considering it's already tight

[rustic garnet]

this is a valid question though there really is nothing on the market for a budget conscious pcvr gamer anymore

[little plinth]

So many manufacturers, targeting the 10% of something already niche

[little plinth]

Just get the pico 4 or quest 3

[haughty thistle]

Huh. The more you know. Then again, last time I touched MC was in early-mid 2019 (pretty much when I had freshly gotten my Index) and I'm pretty sure back then Bedrock Edition VR from the Windows store was WMR only as it didn't want to pick up on SteamVR...

[little plinth]

Trust me the issues aren't as problematic as it seems

The bedrock one is kinda garbo ngl

Vivecraft all the way

[rustic garnet]

chickenbread appearance

getting the whole gang together fr

[rustic garnet]

i still think porting flat games to vr is a pretty futile effort

unless you sink so much time into retooling the mechanics that you may as well just make a new game lmao

[haughty thistle]

And the Quest 2 loosing support next year is also a new thing to me. Meta supported the Quest 1 like 3 years beyond the end of production. And the Quest 1 is far far slower compared to the Q2 then the Q2 is compared to the Q3...
Plus there's also the Quest Pro, which is basically a Quest 2 with some fancy stuff added on top...

[little plinth]

It makes sense

They wanna replace it with Quest 3 lite

The quest 3 lite is just a quest 2 with upgraded chip basically

Still junk fresnel

And BnW passthrough

[gloomy crater]

Wait the quest 2 losing support next year is confirmed?? Man I'm gonna get my head bitten off when I have to tell my mom she has to buy another new VR headset because they deprecated her current one (she upgraded from a Quest 1 to a Quest 2 last year)

[thorny lily]

That sounds fake as hell

Why would they kill off q2 so quickly

Sounds like some shit I'd hear from a TikTok at 2:54AM

[weak bluff]

i though they gonna support for 3 more years after last sale

[dull tide]

Anyone know what cut they get from the store?

[weak bluff]

you mean sale cut? 30%

[oak sphinx]

Im a first time VR user aswell, so i dont have anything to go off of, well kind of. Ive played the oculus developer kit 2, but nothing else

[oak sphinx]

I might aswell just get the Rift S at this point

[little plinth]

worse than quest 3 and pico 4

[oak sphinx]

so i should just go for the quest 2

fyi The Quest 3 is literaly double the price of the pico 4

[weak bluff]

yes... if you need it now

or wait for Quest 3 lite

[oak sphinx]

ive waited a year now to even have enough for a VR headset

and ive waited god knows how long for a price drop on quest 3 but theres never ever been a single one

[little plinth]

quest 3 only launched like 5 months ago and sold like hold cake

so yea

[weak bluff]

quest 3 aint discounting this year im sure

[pale orbit]

they seem to have discontinued the quest 2 256gb model, so they look to be clearing stock. probably a good sign production stopped on those and the quest 3 lite should be coming

[rapid otter]

Or a collection of molecules that somehow got tricked into working together... 😊

[barren zealot]

the quest pro is fucking dogshit

i don't understand what zuck was even thinking about

[sullen linden]

hello trying to build a gaming pc from nothing for vr is this a good choice for parts ?

is parts i should change to cut down on price or get some parts used like the case or the graphics card?

[barren zealot]

the case sucks, the fans suck, and the motherboard also sucks

also if you are french why not use azerty? they have pre built computers that are decent

[runic lantern]

loose the fans, get a better mobo

and since you selected 7600x you will need a cpu cooler

[barren zealot]

oh nvm azerty is netherlands only clown world

[barren zealot]

also i'm pretty sure you can find 850 watt power supplies for less

[runic lantern]

should have used pcpartpicker

[barren zealot]

and i'm not sure it's even worth it to have AM5

[runic lantern]

searchability on amazon sucks

[barren zealot]

a 5800x3d destroys the 7600x if i'm not mistaken

but then again upgradeability and blah blah

[austere echo]

The fans don't do a good job at suck

[weak bluff]

Pcpartpicker works for france try using that

5800X3D is best when you are at AM4

Motherboard could have been B650M

4070 Super value is meh but ok at same time

At €1700 someone made something similar but better https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/b/63Gqqs

[amber sleet]

they're not so different actually

would drop those extra couple fps for am5 and ddr5

[amber sleet]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/JJ8XN6

[weak bluff]

They destroy in some specific games

Overall its worthn't

[sullen linden]

Thank you for the recommendation. Never built a pc before. Always had pre builds. Is the case really important for pc building?

[sullen linden]

I also heard Radeon is worse for VR is it true or not?

[amber sleet]

i have a 6800xt and it works absolutely amazing in any game i have played so far

[weak bluff]

Radeon has issue for some specific things

latest GPU often have performance issues and when there is new driver issue, it can take months to fix

AMD GPU also is worse in encoder quality meaning standalone headset like Pico 4 and Quest will have worse quality than Nvidia counterpart

overall its ok if you can get it at good deal

oh and also AMD gpu just outright dont work for some new headsets that uses DSC

[amber sleet]

worse quality how far?

[weak bluff]

imagine a low bitrate youtube video

or low bitrate twitch stream

example of worst case scenario

captured on RX 6600 XT

i think that was using 22.5.1 driver

[amber sleet]

hmm idk im using a quest 3 with my 6800xt and i never had any of these low quality issues

[weak bluff]

this is just an example of worst case scenario

artifact happens when there are too many things change in the image like snow or confetti

in my case it was a lot of shaders, water movement, shadow, dark spots

[amber sleet]

could i benchmark that somewhere

[weak bluff]

i have some worlds that i tried to have terrible quality

first is Vket2023S Cocoon Art Aquarium - Echo in VRChat which is same as that photo i took

Next is Trees Of Diaspora - 播種の樹 which had me the worst artifact ever

it was similar to this

[amber sleet]

i tried making a similar pic

[weak bluff]

it looks worse in the eye right?

[amber sleet]

discord completly compressed that pic

to be honest

it looks completly normal to me

exception of the fish looking like low res pngs swimming around

i just realised the water effect thingy just looks barely existant on the floor

[weak bluff]

do you use VD?

[amber sleet]

honestly dont know what that means

[weak bluff]

virtual desktop?

[amber sleet]

nope

via cable

fyi i also just installed vrchat

[young axle]

Hi

[rustic garnet]

haii

[young axle]

so someone's selling a quest 2 for 100 CAD , they dont know the specs or anything , they just used it once. Does this look like a good deal?

[rustic garnet]

Quest 2 only varies by storage space

provided it IS a quest 2

Do u have pics

[rustic garnet]

yeah that sure is a q2

[young axle]

alrighty sounds good

hope no ones gonna pick it up before me now

[rustic garnet]

But like yeah

100 CANADIAN? is very low

[young axle]

yep 100 Canadian

[rustic garnet]

hm

[young axle]

they seem to have no idea

what it is

[rustic garnet]

Kinda sounds like the seller is just ignorant yes

still i would want to try it out in person before paying

[young axle]

oh yeah 100%

[rustic garnet]

But like that's just good practice with anything used anyway

[young axle]

which charging port does it take?

is it a type c?

[rustic garnet]

Usb c

[young axle]

alright so i should remember to plug it in and test it out

[rustic garnet]

i have no idea how to check the storage capacity though

but

That's only a problem if you plan to use it for a lot of mobile vr

or like

"problem"

un/reinstalling apps isn't that much hassle

Would be sick if they let you cache downloads on a pc so you don't need to download them every time though

like steam does

[wet tundra]

Are there any stereoscopic viewing solutions for high refresh monitors? Like a USB device? Or would it need to be some kind of device that connected to the video line to sync with the display?

[raw grail]

So the quest 3 only last for 2 hours

How many hours does it last with the battery saving mode?

[weak bluff]

you want quest 3 to last longer? Don't bother with that

get a powerbank

[raw grail]

Well it still don't last enough with a power bank does it

[little plinth]

Tf do you wanna play 6 hours straight or what

[raw grail]

i actually do

as someone who never needed to charge my headset i love it

[haughty thistle]

All I can say is, that 4 hours straight oughta be enough for anyone. Taking frequent breaks is very important for your health (even if you think you can stay much longer, don't)

[raw grail]

i take myself short breaks yes but i don't want to worry about the headset dying

[little plinth]

Shit I can't play even 4 hours if i want to

Not enough time

[haughty thistle]

I'll be honest, short breaks aren't even enough if you're staying in VR for very long (like over 4h). I've done 12h straight once with only short bathroom breaks every now and then. I felt absolutely horrible for the rest of the week. If you plan on staying on over 4 hours, you should take at least an hour break every 4 hours or so. My recommendation. And an hour should be enough to get the bats topped up again. Get a second one if it doesn't charge fast enough

[little plinth]

My question is what content is keeping you on that long

[haughty thistle]

A mix of Trucking Sim and VRChat

[little plinth]

Ah yes

Like how i spent hours on flight sim

Supposed to be boring yet... "Fun"

I don't really know why

Why am i enjoying doing mostly nothing with my plane on autopilot

[raw grail]

The good powerbanks are not cheap
i need the headset to atleast stay alive for 6 hours or so

[little plinth]

Was on a 3 hours flight from LA to Vancouver only to get unlucky and had to land at night with storm weather

Lucky me

[haughty thistle]

I'd say ETS2 and ATS at least have that going for it: there is no autopilot. So you gotta be paying attention to stay on the road all the time.
It's very relaxing. seeing all the beautiful scenery of Europe wizz by as you're driving down the E30 from Warsaw to Amsterdam 😌

[little plinth]

Did you know that you can get from berlin to warsaw in a single tank

[haughty thistle]

That was a VW ad, yes.

[little plinth]

Yes

[haughty thistle]

A single continuous road too. E30 as I mentioned. It's the primary East-West corridor of northern Europe (well, it goes by many names, like BAB2 in most of Germany, but E30 is the European express way name)

[little plinth]

How about a different kind of tank

[weak bluff]

i use 5 metre cable to charge headset while powerbank is out

[weak bluff]

guess get 2 powerbanks?

fully charge both, swap when one runs out

[rapid otter]

With a get a bigger on it will last enough at one point...

[rapid otter]

After 3 hours I get uncomfortable and tired idk how you are staying 6 hours

Also get very bored

[weak bluff]

i dont recommend getting too big or your counterweight will becobe back heavy

if you want to use it as counetrweight

[barren zealot]

or a battery bank headstrap to balance out the weight

[weak bluff]

yes that is what i do

[barren zealot]

strongly reccommend the kiwi design one

[weak bluff]

nto that

dont buy it instead make it yourself

[barren zealot]

but memory foam pads

[weak bluff]

you knowyou dont need to buy that expensive 5000mAh headstrap just to get memory foam

[barren zealot]

tbh i really want to get the head band for the vision pro and 3d print an adaptor

that shit would be sick

[rapid otter]

As an airlink user is it better to use steam VR or oculus mode ?

[weak bluff]

if you have oculuskiller it wont matter

or use steam link

[rapid otter]

Oculus killer ?

[weak bluff]

https://github.com/BunniKaitlyn/OculusKiller

[rapid otter]

Interesting

Does it improve performance?

[weak bluff]

yes for steamvr

[rapid otter]

Is it better than steam link ?

I kinda want to try steam link but since my oculus airlink works I don't wanna mess everything up

[weak bluff]

no

yesn't

[rustic garnet]

steam link bypasses the oculus pc runtime entirely

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but there is a case to be made for wired Quest Link

Like say you're on the go in a hotel room and wanna play PCVR on your Laptop

[rustic garnet]

the quest doesn't support wired ethernet connections right

bc their custom driver stack or some such

[haughty thistle]

Yup

Quest Link is the only way to get a Quest do wired PCVR

[devout trail]

https://youtu.be/9Ar5wwYSFdg?feature=shared

I’ll have to try this out on my Q1 and 2 and see if it works

[warm stirrup]

Yo could someone help me with my problem with stuttering in steam VR?

I use Vive Pro and I have a 5800x, 32gb 3200mhz, 3070 ti PC

drivers are updated

I'm supposed to be getting 90 but instead dropping to 87-84 when moving my head

only when I keep my head still it's 90

[devout trail]

That seems almost normal. You’re changing the rendered scene on your headset when moving your head and when stationary it’s able to get back to 90.

[warm stirrup]

Thats normal???? It's incredibly annoying, at this point quest 2 is better because beat saber is practally unplayable with this

Quest 2 STANDALONE was better than this shit

[devout trail]

I mean I doubt any system at default settings is going to hold its highest fps nearly 100 percent of the time. Unless you’re having some HARD instant stutters that little of frames would barely be noticeable in beat saber.

You’re talking 3-7 FPS drop and it’s somehow unplayable? That just seems to little of variance. Maybe random dips down to say 72-75 then maybe something is going on.

[warm stirrup]

The stutters distort the image, everything kinda shakes and rotates down the middle

[rustic garnet]

Gpu/cpu usage?

framerate is supposed to be LOCKED at 90

[devout trail]

You can’t LOCK any games fps. You can CAP it though. You can set the refresh rate to 90 and your GPUs gonna do all it can to stay at 90. No guarantee it will stay at 90.

[devout trail]

That definitely sounds like more than just a stutter. If it’s distorting the image and doing irregular rendering then maybe try reinstall. Double check usage and all that good stuff ya know?

[rustic garnet]

🙄🙄i think you very obviously get what i mean

@warm stirrup tbh what i would do is fresh install windows on a separate drive temporarily to see if there is some software quirk going on

[rustic garnet]

Vr render pipelines will do everything in their power to keep up a rock solid 90 (or 120 or 144 if you have those kinds of displays) and with consistent timing, both regarding between each frame and latency from motion to photon

[devout trail]

Yes. But just like every setup in VR or not in VR. Your FPS is never constant unless a limit of resolution or refresh rate is on. Almost no systems hold that FPS consistently but yes every system has extras to try and keep it as high as possible. Same as DLSS and upscaling.

If there was a setup that held fps nearly as consistent as to not drop 3-5fps here and there EVERY user would be using it. It just doesn’t exist. That’s exactly why we have foveated rendering, time warp and all the other software mediations they add to help keep that framerate high.

[warm stirrup]

I don't remember what gpu usage was but cpu was 15-17

Percent

It also might be helpful to note I use win 11

And I turned off HAG

[rustic garnet]

hag?

[rustic garnet]

Across all cores? Is any one core being stressed more?

what render scale are you running at in steamvr

[warm stirrup]

Hardware accelerated GPU, I saw recommendations for turning it off when looking for solutions on the internet, a lot of people seemed to have problems with that

[warm stirrup]

Default

[warm stirrup]

I'd have to run hardware monitor, I'll check in a bit

The distortion is similar to screen tearing but like everything shifts and warps at the tear and obvious frame drop

I'll try doing a screen recording if it shows up in it for it to make more sense

I'm fine with small frame drops but the distortion and the shift thingy is really annoying

[wet tundra]

Get a backpack and carry a UPS.

Belkin makes a 12vdc unit

Or just charge a 12v SLA manually and knock it down to 5v if that's what the quest wants

1 motorcycle sized sla lasted me about 16 hours at 1 amp

12v1a

[little plinth]

Why the hell would you need a UPS for that...

Heavy as hell

Even a 20k mAh can probably last you 6+ hours

And much smaller

Or have multiple smaller ones

[weak bluff]

just use 2 powerbank and swap when one runs out

dont reinvent the wheel

[wet tundra]

No more than an infant

[rustic garnet]

Task manager has a checkbox to show cpu utilization by cores instead of a whole also

[obtuse quest]

So I'm getting a TP-Link Deco AXE5400, and I was wondering if it was better to get the "Pro" variant for the 2.5 gig ethernet port. Don't really have a potential use case for that port except VR.

[weak bluff]

You dont need more than 1 Gig and should focus on other spec more

[obtuse quest]

Wdym other spec?

[real pasture]

i assume pc spec, like ram, gpu, cpu etc

[weak bluff]

i guess if a dedicated router is 1gig capable and used solely for vr then its more than enough already

[rapid otter]

One gig is more than enough for basically everything, even big files transfers, like a 100 gb folder with be transmitted under two minutes

For some edge cases 2.5 might be needed but then you'd also need the mobo, cpu and storage to follow

[haughty thistle]

I press X on that "100GB in under 2 mins" claim, but yeah, for most use cases 1gig is fine, unless you intend on regularly sending large files over the network, and even then that speed only applies to LAN, not Wifi...

[rapid otter]

In theory of everything worked well

How long would it be irl ?

[haughty thistle]

1 gbit/s equals about 125 mb/s, so a 100GB folder would take about 13 minutes and 20 seconds. And that is under ideal conditions where you'd have the full gigabit all the time (realistically it's less on average due to how transferring individual files inside a folder works)

2.5 gbit/s is then obv. 2.5x as fast compared to gigabit, so under ideal conditions that same transfger would only take 6 minutes and 40 seconds 😉

But that is assuming both ends are connected by 2.5 gbit/s. If say only your NAS is connected with 2.5gbps but your PC is connected at 1gbps then the transfer is still bound by that 1gbps with the only benefit that a second client on the network can still do a parallel transfer also at full 1gbps speed (with a third transfer at 500mbps also still possible)

[amber sleet]

MB/s*

very important

[weak bluff]

MiB/s*

very important

/s

[amber sleet]

yes very important

[weak bluff]

windows measuring MiB as MB is misleading

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but in this case I was actually talking about MB/s. 1gbps (gigabit per second) is 1000mbps (megabit per second), so 1gbps divided by 8 makes 125MB/s (megabytes per second), not 125MiB/s (mibibytes per second). XXbibytes is in steps of 1024 while XXgabytes is in steps of 1000

[north iris]

Got a quest 3 recently and I personally think it's worth the $500 price tag. Thoughts?

[sullen linden]

10/10 headset

Nose still get da itch sometimes

[hallow cliff]

holy words

[rapid otter]

Why the divide by 8 ? A gigabit is 1000 megabit so it takes at one gigabit per seconds it's 1000 megabit?

[weak bluff]

1 byte is 8 bit

8 bit was commonly amount of bits needed to make 1 character so it became a standard to equal it to 1 byte

[rapid otter]

Hum I see

[weak bluff]

https://developer.oculus.com/blog/meta-quest-link-improvements/

nice stuff

still im good with steam link

this realization is news to me

its still not good but improvement regardless

[haughty thistle]

All those updates were apparently already part of v62...

[weak bluff]

they officially wrote blog today so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull tide]

Also. Humans are Biased to base 10 because we got 10 fingers.

[rapid otter]

They have been released more than a year ago

Worked fine already

[pale orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha3fDU-1wHk

[haughty thistle]

All my homies be using old Nintendo Consoles for VR 😎
https://youtu.be/PXHKejwjrIw

[devout trail]

Haha! at 18:20 he takes the headset off and catches the gamepad before it biffs! Close one!

[real pasture]

im gonna finally use my wiiu for something else than minecraft hacker vs hacker battle games

[hallow cliff]

anyone try pcvr with the quest 3? i have an index and thinking about it

[amber sleet]

i have

[obsidian ravine]

We sorely need a new Video from LTT or the state of VR covering UEVR and other mods, new headsets, updates and games, we rarely see VR even mentioned on the channel anymore. 😦

[warm stirrup]

I mean, they aren't a VR channel, they are tech as a whole, they aren't going to focus on one niche

They recently did AVP videos and bigscreen beyond

[obsidian ravine]

who's telling them to focus on one niche?

[weak bluff]

none of those are worthy topic of even ShortCircuit sounds like at best a 15 seconds mension on another video

and LTT never did such topic before

LTT only review the VR hardware and anything not from more established companies usually ends in ShortCircuit

[obsidian ravine]

I didnt know you controlled the topic rosta or which topics we were allowed to be interested in, good to know.

[weak bluff]

i think the closest thing about VR software (or rather feature) is Asynchronous Reprojection

and its not even about VR experience its about a VR feature that should be brought outside VR

[haughty thistle]

I prefer the terms ATW and ASW. ATW is what reduces latency while ASW could be better described as "depth aware motion smoothing"

ATW = Asynchronous Timewarp
ASW = Asynchronous Spacewarp

[obsidian ravine]

LTT dont need to have or be anything, they create content for anything that interesting in tech and gaming, they have covered all sorts of stuff in the past, UEVR is all kinds of interesting, for me it deserves a video all of its own, you can only argue with that subjectively.

[haughty thistle]

LTT already made a video about ATW and how it would also positiviely benefit flat gamers. But alas, it remains a VR-only tech...

[weak bluff]

ATW would be great for upscaling to reduce workload

nobody tried

[haughty thistle]

ATW would certainly help with making games a lot more responsive. In VR this is crutial to not make the HMD wearer sick, but even for flat games it has it's benefits

[dull tide]

Fortunately Linus does occasionally play VR games

[cedar belfry]

I play a specific VR game

[dull tide]

https://youtu.be/a4fkSiql3bI me 2

[cedar belfry]

They did not

[rapid otter]

I'm at my fourth hour in In into the radius and I'm doing way better than last time, I already have a GSH-18 pistol and an IZh-27 shotgun

I have yet to get security lv2 and get new weapons

Then I'll get an SKS and an MP5K

And I think I'll be all set, what do you guys usually carried at LV 2 ?

[tawdry mural]

is it worth buying quest 2 in 2024? here it costs 300€ used lmao its either that or a wheel

market is horrendous

no reverbs, valve indexes, pico 4 is like 450

new

id mostly use it for pcvr

theoretically could buy a used quest 3 from germany but then id pay import tax on top of shipping

[rapid otter]

300 used is a lot

Here it's 300 new for 128 gb not even on sale

What's your PC also ?

(I'll get back to you tomorrow morning 😊)

[main jewel]

is Peaky Blinders, King ransom a good game for quest 3??

[weak bluff]

not worth for used but worth for new

at 300 eur you can buy brand new directly from meta.com

used shoudl be 120-170 eur

[tawdry mural]

import tax

• shipping

im from bosnia

[tawdry mural]

5 5500
6700 xt
32 gb ddr4

meta.com doesnt even ship here

maybe it would be more worth to buy a used one from ebay from germany, pay shipping + import

[rapid otter]

Aight

Where do you live ?

[weak bluff]

Lol maybe drive to Croatia?

Always check for facebook marketplace

[haughty thistle]

I was juts randomly talking in another place about old discontinued VR hardware and I realized... the StarVR website is down for good now. SSL cert expired and the server just returns a blank page
Only reason I bothered checking is 'cause someone listed a StarVR One in the SteamVR tracked variant on Ebay in Germany and got curious if I could even use the damn' thing... must. resist. the. urge

[weak bluff]

will the value go up if its not well known

[rapid otter]

Looks like a knockoff pimax

Specs also look great for the time

[haughty thistle]

The StarVR still has the highest FOV of any headset ever made. It's really unfortunate how the whole situation around it essentially killed it before it had a proper chance. Acer didn't seem to have all that much interest in bringing the project forward, so when Starbreeze went bust, it delayed the whole headset to the point where it kindof became irrelevant. Was only sold made to order for a short time in 2020/21 before being killed off for good. Last software rev came out in September 2020. At least that part is now preserved on the Internet Archive, like it should be...

Who knows how long the AWS S3 bucket hosting the software will remain online...

[weak bluff]

is PPI good?

[haughty thistle]

Not very good really. Think of OG Vive/Rift CV1 in terms of pixel density. It's 1830x1464 (OLED) per eye over a claimed FOV of 210° Horizontal, 130° Vertical (almost human FOV)

Prolly worse then the OG Vive now that I think about it actually... But that FOV

[haughty thistle]

It seems to be so little known btw that there's currently 0 bids on it, and I'm the only one who put it on their Watchlist lol

[tawdry mural]

ya its possible

new there is like 385

or around that

i checked like last week

[tawdry mural]

bosnia and herzegovina

[rapid otter]

Maybe Amazon would deliver my good prices

[tawdry mural]

well its like 377€ new might as well buy a used quest 3 from germany + pay import tax

it would be around ~405€

for a used quest 3 from germany to bosnia with import tax in there and shipping fees

actually from usa*

[rapid otter]

Probably won't have import tax on that

[tawdry mural]

its if it exceeds 150€

then its calculated like 30% of the value of the product

thats how much u have to pay

[rapid otter]

Damn

[tawdry mural]

just remembered they charge a fee for their service too, last time we paid it was 60€

[obtuse quest]

Anyone with a Quest 3 have some tips for accessories?

I went all-in on Kiwi Design for the Quest 2 but I actually like the comfort of the stock Quest 3 stuff. I got the AMVR facial interface and BoboVR strap and I really don't like how they feel

[rapid otter]

You want more battery?

You can add some on the stock strap

Also the best thing for confort imo is getting a silicon wrap for the facial interface

Got one for my Q2 and it's an absolute game changer

[obtuse quest]

Ngl battery is fine for me

I just care about comfort/lack thereof

I'm thinking about getting the official Q3 silicone interface because I actually like the stock interface and don't like the 3rd party AMVR one

I did like the KiwiVR Interface for Q2 but they don't make any for Quest 3

[rapid otter]

I would advise you to do so

[obtuse quest]

The KiwiVR strap for Q2 was meh, but better than stock. Don't like the BoboVR for Q3 at all

[obtuse quest]

Is it better than the other 3rd party ones?

[rapid otter]

I prefer mine in the Q2

You'll have to try

Feels less like sandpaper to the skin

[cedar belfry]

I'm saving money for a used Index, and im almost halfway theree!

[obtuse quest]

Anyone know how to reduce compression when using the link cable? The artifacts when playing Tetris Effect kinda ruin the experience

Unofficial "link cable" **

[weak bluff]

you could try using oculuskiller

also get modern gpu

[haughty thistle]

If you're already using Quest link then the only improvement you can do to the quality is using a GPU with a better encoder...

[fickle light]

is a RTX 4050 good enough for vr?

I'd mostly just play beat saber and minecraft vr

[rustic garnet]

which headset

Wait is that a laptop gpu

that could mean trouble

[fringe delta]

Wrong room sry

[fickle light]

Yeah, and I'd probably just do Quest 2 over a link cable

should i spring for the 4060 Laptop if I want to do a bit of vr?

[dull tide]

https://youtu.be/v3rC-smmngo?

[fickle light]

?

[eager mesa]

hey, i would like to know if meta has resolved the issue with RDNA 3 gpus running with quest link?

[sullen linden]

anyone tried vive ultimate?

[sullen linden]

why dont you use steam link or virtual desktop?

[eager mesa]

cable

i want cable, plain and simple, also virtual desktop costs money and steam link has a few audio issues i don't feel like fixing

[eager mesa]

i've run vrchat on an Nvidia mx570, it's got 2gb of ram and is weaker than a 2050 laptop and it worked

[eager mesa]

it SHOULD be fine

[sullen linden]

true unless you use headset with its mic, mic is low on it

[eager mesa]

i play vrchat

i NEED my mic

[rustic garnet]

The issue is display outputs for hdmi headsets

but with a quest you obviously dont need that

[eager mesa]

oh i ran it with virtual desktop at my school, with my school's laptop and headsets

[eager mesa]

they have virtual desktop

[rustic garnet]

then again i have no idea what the encoder situation is like on that gpu either

[sullen linden]

my ingame usage of ram and vram, fbt heaven

ram goes up to 53GB

[eager mesa]

my guy

i have a run of the mill pc, i got a ryzen 5 5500, 16gb ram and an rtx 3050