virtual-reality

[haughty thistle]

Tbf the Touchbar Intel Macs were designed with Intel's 10nm CPUs in mind, but then Intel took way too long and so Apple got fed up, released them with 14nm CPUs instead and my best guess is that that was the final straw and when Apple put their foot down to fully switch to ARM for Macs...

Their thermal solutions are usually incredibly well designed (just their fan curves aren't). No, the problem was that Intel made false promises for when their 10nm parts were ready and the kind of heat output they'd generate and thus f'ed Apple over. And rather then redesigning the entire thing that was basically already finished, they just threw it all onto market, whether it was good or not...

[rustic garnet]

you get the point i think

Things like not including a normal 3.5 mm jack on the airpod maxes

[haughty thistle]

The Butterfly switches however, we can all agree that those sucked. Thinness for the sake of thinness is never a great choice, especially for keyboards and other mechanical parts...

[rustic garnet]

things like not letting you run your own apps

things like deprecating 32 bit app support haha what that one goes crazy

[haughty thistle]

P. sure the engineers don't really care about that sort of stuff...

[rustic garnet]

im an engineer (well, a fifth of an engineer) and i care

[haughty thistle]

And that was actually a relief for the engineers. At least software engineers. A 64bit system can't inherently run 32bit applications. What you need is a support layer (Windows is no different). And this support layer needs to be embedded so deeply into your system, that any change to the core system also needs intrinsic support in the 32bit support layer, which then all need vigorous testing to ensure the support layer still works or not.
The whole reason why Windows keeps the 32bit support layer in their 64bit OS is because so many of their customers are still using 32bit apps. There was never a big push for developers to switch to 64bit. In-fact, the company I just left still has their main company software compiled as a 32bit Windows app, using MFC libraries that date back to the late-90s (and thus can't run when compiled as 64bit). But you can't stack these support layers. Microsoft always carried on the 16bit support layer in the 32bit Windows releases (even if it was an optional install since Win8), the whole reason it isn't an option on 64bit Windows is because they had to essentially write an entire new support layer to run 16bit apps directly on the 64bit host OS, and ain't nobody got time for that...

[weary bramble]

i never actually looked that hard into why 32-bit app support was killed on macOS; that's pretty fascinating

[haughty thistle]

I remember that for a long while after the first 64bit Linux distros came out, they all could only run apps compiled for 64bit. A 32bit support layer didn't came until much later into the Linux Kernel...

Granted, it's not that big of a deal there, as often time Linux apps are distributed as source code you have to compile yourself, but not all apps are (especially commercial ones like JetBrains IDEs)

Matter of the fact is: supporting 32bit apps on 64bit OSes is good for legacy purposes, but under ideal circumstances would never be a thing...

[weary bramble]

i also didn't know about this and that's also really fascinating

[pale orbit]

https://www.roadtovr.com/metro-awakening-vr-announce/

[rapid otter]

I really like how it feels to use meta finger interaction, I think the bad feeling is from the hand tracking being bad at timesand not the whole UI...

[weary bramble]

https://twitter.com/raywongy/status/1752787114071298255

Ray Wong (@raywongy) on X

l used a SIM card push pin to "unlock" the cable connected to the Apple Vision Pro battery pack. It popped right out.

Twitter · Jan 31, 2024, 8:13 PM

wtf

it's a fucking giant lightning cable

also wtf it's so easy to remove it???

[arctic laurel]

was about to send this lol

[warm shuttle]

hmmm apple seems to be breaking some laws now i see

[weary bramble]

the EU mandate actually has it so that it needs at least one USB-C port, not exclusively USB-C ports

you're charging it through the USB-C port anyway; the wide lightning port is only supposed to be used by technicians for repair diagnostics

[warm shuttle]

didn't know this

[pale orbit]

I have a 20,000 mAh battery the exact same size and dimensions as that thing. and it's only 3,166 mAh

[weary bramble]

do you know its Wh rating?

[little plinth]

mAh doesn't tell it's true capacity

[weary bramble]

the vision pro battery's is about 36Wh iirc, which is a bit shy of a 13-inch ipad pro

[little plinth]

not to mention many "20000 mAh" power bank also only have true rated capacity of 12k

[pale orbit]

only a 15w because I didn't need anything more powerful then that for charging my devices

[weary bramble]

that's charging wattage, not watt hours

[little plinth]

that's charging speed not capacity

[pale orbit]

100wh afaik

[weary bramble]

okay i got too curious so i actually pulled up the radio equipment directive and looked at the relevant passage

i don't speak legalese but from what i understand, it's basically saying

1. this affects: phones, tablets, cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld consoles, portable speakers, e-raders, keyboards, mice, GPSes, earbuds, and laptops
2. if a device in any of these categories is rechargeable, it must have a USB-C port to charge with that's always accessible and operational
3. if a device in any of these categories recharges at higher than 5V, 3A, or 15W, it must support USB power delivery

firstly the vision pro battery pack doesn't really fall into... any of these categories, nor does the vision pro itself

but secondly even if it did, it's still covered, since its charging port is a USB-C port and it uses USB-PD to charge faster

the internal wide lightning connector isn't one the pack can charge through i'm pretty certain

another thing i'd point to is the magsafe 3 connector on the newer macbooks—they're most likely not going to go away when enforcement of the RED for laptops comes into effect in 2026, because they can also charge through their USB-C ports—it's just that magsafe is an additional port you can charge with if you want

also turns out this was already found in diagrams back in december but just wasn't well-known until someone actually saw the real thing
https://fxtwitter.com/aaronp613/status/1737507098437497068

[opal dew]

PCVR release thank god, I was terrified it’d be psvr2 exclusive

[gray dome]

maximum gamer

[little plinth]

Thank God it's not meta exclusive either

Equally terrifying

I don't want a future of only standalone

PCVR graphics will always be better

[opal dew]

I wish I could play RE4VR but never will because Meta exclusivity

and I've been so starved of a solid singleplayer VR game, nothing has been able to touch HL Alyx and Medal of Honor was an enormous letdown

[true forge]

I'm having this serious problem with my Quest 2, and I'm hoping someone here can help me:

I've been going back and fourth with Meta support for the last two days to help fix this issue I was having with the native Meta store app never launching a game/app page for me. It was just bring up an error code, or crash. Ended up being told my support to do a factory reset (which is what I figured was going to happen).

After doing said reset, I got stuck on the pairing code screen part of the setup process. I tried two different phones (Android and IOS), the latter of which was the original phone I used for first time setup, but my headset and the app doesn't sync. Even when I tried reinstating the connection by starting a "new device" manual connection, I get try again errors every time I type in the pairing code that shows up in my headset.

So being basically locked out of my own Quest 2, Meta support is now asking me for my info in order to do an RMA and possible replacement (if they can't fix the current headset).

I don't want to have to do this, as I'll have to wait to get my or a new headset back.

Does anyone know of a possible digital solution to resolve this problem that I can do on my own right now?

Could it be as simple as deleting my device data on my Oculus account page online? When I log into the mobile app, my headset still shows up as registered and link with its unique serial number, even after my two factory resets. So that is presumably why I can't sync my headset with app again. Hence why I remain stuck on the pairing screen part of the setup process within my Q2. Idk if I should try this though. This is my theory.

[weak bluff]

i dont think so

you probably better rely on RMA

make sure when you pair with your phone bluetooth is on

it is required

[true forge]

Yes. Bluetooth was on every time. Even turned on and off more than once.

[weak bluff]

RMA before holiday i guess

[true forge]

May I ask for elaboration as to why?

[weak bluff]

i think the only way to fix it is via software update and you need to pass the controller pairing step to connect to internet then update

[true forge]

And I'm able to do that every time. I'm stuck on the pairing code screen, which came after successful controller pairing and software update.

[weak bluff]

maybe try manual update?

when you hold volume down and power there shoudl be uption to manual update

idk any more after that

[true forge]

Yeah. I noticed that. I just don't know where to find said update files.

All signs are just pointing me to the fact that my headset is still paired and associated with my Meta account. Hence why the communication between my Q2 and the mobile app is corrupt.

[weak bluff]

idk any more than that so try figure it out

[little plinth]

Damn the meta experience seems dark

My pico just needs a pico account which does not require a phone at all

You can sign up straight in the hmd

[weak bluff]

The reason why they do phone pairing is probably to offload security threat to just 1 device

[strong vortex]

Hey all, 2 days ago I booted back into Windows for the first time in a while, updated gpu drivers and everything, to test out the newish Steam Link for Quest 2. It ran flawlessly.
Tried it again the next day, with zero user input, config changes or other software updates afaik, and SteamVR itself started getting extremely high GPU usage. Issue persisted through trying AirLink and VirtualDesktop, so probably unrelated to Steam Link.
What can I even try to troubleshoot this

I used to be able to do 120 fps rock solid with no stutters before this issue, now it's like 90fps on the steamvr void and ~60 fps on things like beat saber

[true forge]

Ended up having to RMA. Was just wondering what you were referring to when you said "holiday"?

[weak bluff]

Chinese new year

[true forge]

Yeah. That's what I figured.

Because who cares about Groundhog Day. 😁

[dawn turtle]

Hey guys i have a little problem ive got a vive gen 1 and it worked then i tried upgrading to a vive pro gen1 (only headset and connection box) it did not want to connect/ install drivers ive got a green light on the box orange on headset and a Setup error

[warm stirrup]

Ordering the vive pro with basestation 2.0s. anything I need to know about how to take care of 2.0 trackers? I hear they can die a lot, what are some things I can do to lower chances?

[gloomy crater]

The #1 thing that comes to mind is to go into the steamvr settings and set it to put the base stations to sleep when you close out of steamvr, that way they're constantly "on" but the sensors are only spun up when you're actually playing (also gets rid of the whining sound when you're not playing). Also, try not to repeatedly turn them off and back on and vice versa in rapid succession cause it causes unnecessary strain. After four years, only one of my base station 2.0's has died, so as long as you mount them properly and don't cut power to them while they're doing a firmware update (pretty sure a combination of these is what killed mine), you should be fine.

[warm stirrup]

Thanks for the reply, I have a hexagon shaped ceiling, is that fine for mounting the trackers?

[gloomy crater]

I've never done ceiling mounted base stations before, but in theory yeah as long as they're mounted to a solid surface and won't be at risk of moving around or falling it should be fine. In the past I've had 3d printed mount holders attached to the wall with adhesive, which failed horribly so I swapped to the normal mounts that come with the base stations just screwed right into the walls. Just try to mount them at the opposite corners of your play space with a slight downward angle if you can.

[weak bluff]

download an app that can turn base station off when you dont use it

[little plinth]

another big growth this month

21% increase

[haughty thistle]

Classic Brad

[weary bramble]

https://twitter.com/mbrkhrdt/status/1753482730590146761

Michael Burkhardt (@mbrkhrdt) on X

Lightning Ultra

Twitter · Feb 2, 2024, 6:17 PM

it keeps happening

[gloomy crater]

Next thing you know, lightning connector as wide as a PCIe slot

[soft gulch]

what the fuck apple

[icy vortex]

Thinking about buying a Quest for a few games such as beat saber and game pass. My question is should I buy the 2 or 3? I don’t want my headset to be unusable in a few months due to the 3 taking over

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 will last for at minimum 3 years and will last more than that

Quest 2 will keep getting update 3 years after its last sale

[weak bluff]

guess what https://vxtwitter.com/0xjprx/status/1753575170101461266

[vestal obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/i-told-you-about-the-stairs-i-warned-you-about-the-stairs-stairs-i-told-you-gif-21854458

[rapid otter]

That's hilarious, good job apple

[weary bramble]

i am honestly pretty impressed that it can keep passthrough going for 30 seconds after a crash

[weary bramble]

https://x.com/impatrickt/status/1753795856262685136

patrick. (@imPatrickT) on X

not a phone in sight

Twitter · Feb 3, 2024, 3:01 PM

[little plinth]

Yes

yesss

bring the day of normalized public hmd usage

this is what i'm hoping to see from AVP

[warm stirrup]

I would like glasses instead of bulky headsets normalized lol

[little plinth]

Glasses don't need normalisation

You can already buy some xreal glasses and not be judged wearing it

[weak bluff]

I... don't like that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/932396618475507842.webp?size=48&name=vrcTupStare&quality=lossless

i prefer AR glasses over VR headset in public

VR for indoor pls

[haughty thistle]

I prefer if people just didn't honestly

Seeing all these people with bulky things with cameras on their face makes me feel like I'm in some weird dystopian future...

10 years ago these sort of people whould've been called "Glassholes", and I think we should bring back this term...

I'm all for using this stuff indoors with friends or family, but please don't use this stuff in public

[weak bluff]

Google Glass was a meme when it came out

Smosh made video about it

I think it is still relevant

https://youtu.be/4_X6EyqXa2s

[hallow cliff]

thats cool, but we still dont have the tech for good AR glasses. thats why everyones making headsets with decent passthrough.

[weak bluff]

It's not coming today

[hallow cliff]

probably not in the next 2 or 3 years

[rapid otter]

Given how bad tracking is in moving vehicles I doubt they are actually doing anything

[dull magnet]

Just bought the new apple vision pro

[arctic laurel]

i saw a screen recording of someone using it on a fairly dark bus and it was working fine

[tough delta]

It’s dope

[rancid trench]

VRChat is INSANELY underrated

The wild worlds people have built inside that are essentially full fledged almost triple A games is mesmerizing. I feel like people have no idea about it because the name VRchat doesnt give you the idea that its literally becoming readyPlayer1

[little plinth]

Yes but unfortunately i'm an introvert

considering how little i use my vocal cords it just paralyzes me trying to speak properly lol

[rancid trench]

You can go into any world you want in a private instance

most of the crazy huge masterpieces are empty actually, and even if other people joined, you can mute them. But private instances are perfect for the introverts

[weary bramble]

i've heard about toxicity in public lobbies so i generally just stick to private functions hosted by friends

[rancid trench]

I tried streaming for the first time today. It worked way smoother than I thought it would go. I streamed 20 mins of exploring the world called "Complex 7", it looks like its going to take a few hours to actually explore and the story seems robust

I highly recommend it so far though, its incredible

[soft hound]

I mean, I wouldn't say "underrated"
It's always in the top 100 games on Steam for concurrent players
Right now at 57

Over 20K people online at the moment

[pale orbit]

https://v.redd.it/8cylwu026sgc1

https://tenor.com/view/after-pokemon-go-community-weekend-pointing-gif-13003512

[cedar belfry]

I would actually say it's overrated, but for people who've been playing the game since 2017-2018 and sooner. Worlds are still amazing to visit and the public instances are ASS. I hate going into them around Christmas and Easter, because of all the Quest babies screaming in the mic at all times

Worlds are good because their entire SDK is based on Unity 2019 and Unity 2022

[rancid trench]

Yeah I just downloaded Unity and the VRchat creator companmion with the SDK I was gonna see if I could build a few worlds with some tutorials. I have some ideas

[cedar belfry]

I personally don't use VCC because it seems to break my projects but if it works for other people, great!

They need more curated packages tho...

[warm stirrup]

Just bought a vive pro kit with all cables with the cable box, 2.0 wands, and 2.0 trackers for 290 USD, do yall think that's a good deal? According to the listing it was only used for no more than 15 hours for demonstrating VR projects

[cedar belfry]

not the wandsss

[warm stirrup]

Lmao, I'm thinking of buying the index knuckles in a couple months

[cedar belfry]

the wands are... weird

[warm stirrup]

From what I've read it's a hit or miss, some people like them in games like beat saber and BAS, but the lack of a joystick would be annoying

[haughty thistle]

What's funny is that pretty much everyone I know reported that the VCC works wonders. SDK updates often broke projects in the past, not an issue since VCC. I'll never understand what people do to break their projects with VCC...

[haughty thistle]

Wow. That's basically a pair of lighthouses with a free Vive Pro and wands 😄
(a pair of lighthouses new cost around 300)

[haughty thistle]

I personally would never visit public worlds. Ever since the game came out on Quest (and now Android phones as well), it's been kiddies all the time. Sure, there were screaming kids before, but not nearly as many. Honestly, the only public worlds I'd visit are PC only ones...
Wouldn't call the whole game overrated because of that tho. F+ worlds are kinda like calls between friends. It's actually pretty nice. Certainly a lot better seeing them in their avatars then just a profile picture 😄

[weak bluff]

VCC works wonder until it doesn't

Its the best as long there is no big update

We got screwed when VRChat updated Unity 2019 to Unity 2022

Because of this VRChat got backlash and now they are forced to establish better communication with devs

[haughty thistle]

The whole rollout of Unity 2022 was a mess. I believe they mislabeled the very first U'22 version of the SDK to be U'19 and as a result if you update your U'19 project to the latest SDK that's supposedly available for that version your project breaks. EZ fix tho if you know about this...

[weak bluff]

The worst part is the update happened around when VRChat announce they are going on holiday

So hot fixes got left until holiday was over

Reading Haï~ rant I have to agree

[haughty thistle]

I mean, they intended the rollout to be early access/beta, so they could gather feedback while they were on holiday. It was never meant to be out for everyone yet.
Problem was that they realized that VCC can't really support beta SDKs, so they just ended up making the beta release public a few hours later...

[weak bluff]

And that part Haï~ was really mad

https://vxtwitter.com/vr_hai/status/1734799770122605055?t=WWJ2fO2x7Qgexypaa8IalA&s=19

Idk maybe update VCC first

[haughty thistle]

Anyone who went blindly to U'22 SDK without reading up the circumstances can kinda blame themselves. The SDK was an open-beta release. VCC just doesn't support open-beta so in there it had to be flagged as rel...

It was all communicated by the VRC devs...

[weak bluff]

But they said they will not repeat it again so im crossing fingers

Now they are planning dev forum or something

[little plinth]

What's VCC

[haughty thistle]

VRchat Creator Companion. You kinda need it do do avatars or worlds

[weak bluff]

Must have tool if you want to make stuff for VRChat

[little plinth]

Now that i got my 5700x3D... i'm actually now GPU bottlenecked

suffering from success

the 3080ti can't hold up above 50fps on 2544x2544

that's with Foveated rendering

had to use the blurfest DLSS

quality got me to like 65FPS

then at 75ish (balanced DLSS) FPS it's back to CPU bottleneck

is reprojection a must in MSFS bruh

[haughty thistle]

Realistically speaking, MSFS is always gonna be GPU bottlenecked on whatever system you'll try to run it's VR mode...

[little plinth]

i was CPU bottlenecked when i was on the 5600

the performance is muchh better now but still not 90

pretty much only the 4090 can do 90fps no reprojection no DLSS

2544x2544

[rustic garnet]

you can use dlss in vr???

[little plinth]

MSFS has DLSS usable in VR

[haughty thistle]

There is DLSS for VR. Not sure if it actually activates in MSFS (or if it just lowers the render res and then skips the DLSS runtime). Reason I mention that MSFS might skip the DLSS runtime in VR is because for VR you need to use a specific DLSS runtime and I'm not sure if MSFS switches over to that one...
I know for a fact that Into the Radius uses that VR specific DLSS runtime and it looks pretty great from what I've heard (but it also adds about half a frame of latency; so not ideal)

[little plinth]

MSFS VR and Flat graphics settings are entirely separated

if it doesn't work pretty sure they won't include it in the VR section

[haughty thistle]

Huh. I guess it does use the VR DLSS runtime then..

[little plinth]

I might compare it to OXR toolkit NIS/FSR tommorow

[haughty thistle]

I was just mentioning, as that's the case with Hitman 3. It does have a toggle for DLSS, but it only does something for flat gaming. In VR it always uses FSR and only in a radial pattern in the outer FOV section... (can't even turn off FSR in that game or force it on the entire FOV)

[little plinth]

Hitman 3 VR is halfassed to the moon

can't expect much

[haughty thistle]

That radial FOV pattern also isn't taking into account where the actual FOV tangents are centered. As a result the game is basically unplayable on any headset where the FOV tangents aren't centered in the rendered screen area...

[little plinth]

The fact that 1050ti used to be vr ready

Now even a 3060 will struggle

though looking at older headsets their resolutions are barely bigger than 1080p displays

like the Rift 2160x1200

[haughty thistle]

Nvida just slapped a "VR ready" badge on there and called it a day. Same with the GTX 970. Neither were ever powerful enough for VR. The latter even had that 500MB VRAM problem which made it especially bad for VR. Did Nvida still label it as VR ready? Sure did!

Ever since the 1060 came out, that was always considered absolute bottom of the barrel for VR, even back when it came out...

[little plinth]

970 has 4GB

well "3.5GB"

[green crypt]

I know a lot of people tried to run vr on even way weaker stuff back then like gtx 750ti's

[little plinth]

and is equal to 1060 roughly

[green crypt]

Not recommend at all

[little plinth]

so it should fare better than the 1050ti

750ti struggle running flatscreen

[green crypt]

Well that was in 2018 so yeah

[haughty thistle]

I legit tried that lol
On my Lenovo explorer back in the day. It... was not pretty...

[little plinth]

I wonder why nvidia waste time on FG
didn't linus made a video about using spacewarp on flatscreen?

[haughty thistle]

(Yes, I had a much better card to actually play on, it was just an experiment)

[little plinth]

well nvidia needs exclusive features but AMD??

[haughty thistle]

20% render resolution and it still was hitching. Plus because of HDMI 1.4 the headset was limited to 60Hz, and I dunno if you know, but those OG WMR headsets, when they run at 60Hz they run only about 2/3 as bright and flicker like crazy...

[green crypt]

A lot of people didn't have better cards as most were overpriced because crypto tho most people got a new card when the pricing dropped. Sadly Nvidia is not really making affordable cards that are good for vr

[little plinth]

when is nvidia releasing the 5000 series

this year october?
cause that's 2 years after the 4090

also is Video buffering in VD even worth turning on
the latency reduction by turning it off seems really good and i don't really feel much stutter

[rustic garnet]

no way it's already been two years since 4000

[granite gate]

I just got one few months ago💀

[rancid trench]

Anyone played the VR mod for cyberpunk?

[pale orbit]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68215614

[dull tide]

Me getting a 1070 and thinking that HLA could just handle that. Now I feel like it barely handled anything

[weak bluff]

You sure because that is enough

You might need a better cpu

[arctic laurel]

also note than if you were using virtual desktop, VD has its own performance issues

so glad steam link vr is finally out

[haughty thistle]

Eh. All methods of playing PCVR on Standalone require extra perf. In my experience VD allows finer control and results in an overall better experience, while SteamLink is just click and play, no tuning needed for it to work good, but as a result the video quality in my experience isn't quite as good. I assume SteamLink locks in on h.264 for simplicity, while h.265 on VD looks so much better (even without 10-bit)

[little plinth]

i find 10-bit not worth the latency hit

[haughty thistle]

Same here. But switching to h.265 (8-bit) improves dark scenes so much. I legit don't get how people can see anything at all in the dark on h.264. It's just one big blob. Details in the dark are still lost on h.265, but at least you can see something...

[hushed torrent]

What are some good wireless headphone to use with Quest 3 for PC VR(dongle connected to the PC, no bluetoothed to headset)?

[little plinth]

it might be better to connect to the quest instead so it matches with the display/stream latency.
A good recommendation would be the soundcore VR P10 and it also has a power passthrough

so you can charge and connect

[hushed torrent]

yeah pricy as hell for in ear though.

I could get more powerful over ear for less

[haughty thistle]

I agree with Fionya on that one, that with the Quest you'd want the headphones to be connected to the Quest directly using 3.5mm or a USB-C transmitter. To save a buck I'd recommend proper over-ear headphones with a standard removable cable. You can get really short cables for these headphones and it won't get in your way that way 😄

[rustic garnet]

survival of the fittest ig

[warm stirrup]

I'm pretty sure there are adapters for the vive deluxe audio strap for quest 3, that might be a good option

[little plinth]

If people can sleep on a tesla and not die they probably won't die on a tesla while wearing the best passthrough headset ever
though i still wouldn't recommend

[warm stirrup]

There's a decent chance you'd die while sleeping in a tesla

[haughty thistle]

Especially when you have a model with a single center screen and the MCU decides to reboot mid-drive. I'm not taking this out of the blue, actually happened on the Model 3 quite often in the early days.
Imagine driving 130kph on the Autobahn and suddenly you loose all information about the car including your speed and indicator lights. At least Teslas still have actual mirrors. I fear the day Tesla decides to replace those with cameras like the VW Groups seems to be obsessed with rn...

[rustic garnet]

Right oh my god i'll drive a tesla the day hell freezes over

or any other vehicle which is more computer than car

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, Ford decided to go full digital on the new mustang. Screens for the gauges and infotainment, can't even change the temperature or volume without using the screen. It sucks. Pretty sure people have already reported screen failures as well

[warm stirrup]

Does oculus go still work as a little media device? Is it possible to watch YouTube and Netflix on it for the foreseeable future?

[rapid otter]

Oculus has fallen

🫡

[little plinth]

Seems like the latest nvidia driver is unstable

a bit

MSFS VR crashes in the middle of a flight

had to fall back to the december one

man i wanted that RTX HDR

[weak bluff]

Have not used oculus software since Steam Link lol

[rustic garnet]

Im kinda so over the vision pro it turned out to be exactly what i expected and it's not interesting in the slightest

[weak bluff]

its not for you either

Vision Pro survives because of the ego of Apple fans

and will be useful in the future because it got kept afloat

[little plinth]

Vision Pro already selling better than Quest 3 in like under 2 weeks

in term of revenue

i think it's like... highest HMD revenue of all time in under a month

Meta's Q4 earnings was $1b from BOTH quest 2 and 3

though in term of unit count it's definitely not bad either, already like 200k+

[soft gulch]

it's almost like it's 10x the price

[little plinth]

7x Quest 3 price

and of course i count revenue because money is all that matters on keeping something afloat

the quest 3 can sell say 5x the unit but in the eyes of the investors the AVP still gives bigger revenue

And of course apple's mindshare helps meta in the long run

helps bringing HMDs to the mainstream faster

[rustic garnet]

Considering the quests are probably sold at a loss

[little plinth]

Quest 3s are sold above manufacture cost

when counting RND sure it's still in the red

but every quest 3 sold they're not losing money

[weak bluff]

profit is what matter

and probably neither profit

[burnt oasis]

i like the vision pro tbh

i also like that they're pushing the technology in a more practical way

[simple adder]

Only reason its becouse there is alot of Apple fanboys out there . I dont say its by any chance bad, battery, visuals , Augmented reality . Is really well done on it tracking aswell. its just that its like 3.5K euro which alot of people wont have access to and even if they did its gonna be alot of money.

In terms of money per value , Quest 3 wins by a mile

[fickle light]

i'm getting an upgrade soon in terms of a hand me down, would a GTX 1660 Ti and a Ryzen 5 3600 be good enough for vrchat and beat saber?

[fickle light]

(until i can upgrade cause i will 100% get a new gpu at some point)

[rapid otter]

YouTube vr is so cool how am I just discovering it

[rustic garnet]

Beat saber absolutely vrchat barely..

[little plinth]

I don't see people complaining about the arguably more experimental equally expensive varjos

[fickle light]

If I’m doing link cable on the quest 2 would that change it or should I get a 3060 before I do vrchat? (Unless it works cause I will always try)

[sullen linden]

do range extenders like eero work on virtual desktop,steam link or air link

[arctic laurel]

they would work, but performance would probably be poor

(also, try steam link first. If steam link works well for you, dont bother with VD. And you probably shouldnt bother with air link at all)

[weak bluff]

If you have decent wifi then anything 16-series and up should be decent for link or air link

1660Ti will do fine. Slight issue is 6GB VRAM. At this performance it should be able to utilise 8GB on VRChat but it will work with limits if you can avoid loading unnecessary avatars.

3060 is decent it has quality encoder and decent vram to last for years to come

I prefer 3060 but the price is terrible

and dont get 3060 8GB that one is bad

[simple adder]

Because it isn't as big of an buyer headset as all others

Since Vajro is more into Industry people and enthusiast

Even tho aVP costs 3,500€ people rather order from company that is 2 decades old and know when they releaase something it won't be half assed and will be quality.

That is why they are so popular on their release because of the Brand Apple has

[little plinth]

Apple is like 4 decades+ old

also that has nothing to do with why people dogshit apple for the price and not varjo

seems like a double standard from the community

[simple adder]

People were buying an focking 1k dollar Stand for iMac or how was it called so ye

[simple adder]

Yee. Well as said Vajro is closed community so they making the prices be like that . Since it's not like they making consumer ready VR like quest 3

[little plinth]

And?

[simple adder]

They making industry ones. And in industry sometimes it requires you to pay like 5k or more for stuff

[little plinth]

it's still a 3500 bucks HMD

that is arguably worse than apple

and people don't flock on it calling it overpriced

[simple adder]

[little plinth]

slap industry label, charge 3x

doesn't change anything

sounds like nvidia quadros

[simple adder]

Its becouse of popularity . And apple overpricing things from an iMac era

[little plinth]

And yet the AVP is probably less overpriced than the varjos

and people only clown on AVP price and not other equally overpriced ones

so the only explanation is blind apple hate

[simple adder]

It's how they do marketing . If people wouldn't buying them . They wouldn't sell it so high

But sometimes you need to look at price of components as well . Just sometimes

On apple vision it's overpriced as they always do

[little plinth]

headset better than the equally priced varjo
avp more overpriced
does not make sense

component wise the varjo is definitely inferior as well

considering the AVP has better passthrough

[simple adder]

I am not an Industry. I don't set how they do it

[little plinth]

and has a literal M2 chip on it

while the varjo is just a PC tethered HMD

[simple adder]

maybe if thet do an new one will drop in price cause of better aVP but hard to say

But ye same stuff can be made to apple . It's just they do it's an apple product so they set the price how ever they want . It's same with iPhones . Overall assembling of an iphone can cost around 500. Some say it's less and they sell it for 1.2k or 1.5k

[simple adder]

So true

[foggy anvil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4vEJy6t93Mc?si=O-KJEzkJnUB2lY-5

[little plinth]

Ah yes the 1kmh walk

[haughty thistle]

Everyone keeps talking about this disney invention like as if it were ever to be sold to consumers...
It's Disney. They'll either try to bundle it into some sort of full experience or more likely use it for attractions at their theme parks...

[weak bluff]

they will NEVER use it for good

they will patent the shit out of it and only let million dollar deal go through

which is only handful and will not reach to consumer likely

[rustic garnet]

Vrchat is more cpu heavy

If you already have the hardware just try it idk

[weak bluff]

get 5600X3D if you can it will improve perf more

[burnt oasis]

do you think with vr or AR glasses with cameras better than the human eye that project it to the users eyes, that we could realistically have better than human vision wearing those glasses?

also being able to see heat signatures through walls or something like that too, give yourself night vision

[haughty thistle]

Imagine this: we already have stuff for all of that. Sure, most often it requires you holding up a device, but when are you just gonna randomly want to see the heat signature of a building while out and about in public?
Imo AR has no real applications for consumers, other then some gimmicks. The biggest driving factor behind AR really is the marketing machine. Imagine how much more money you can charge for ads, when the user has no way of even looking away from the ads? Or being able to place ads anywhere in the world without having to rent out a marketing screen? How nice would it be for Amazon to offer you a new order of Chocolate milk when you look into your fridge and your headset sees that you're low on chocolate milk?

[warm stirrup]

I'm excited, my headset arrives today, finally after being so annoyed at the low quality shit on quest standalone, I am finally using PCVR

[fickle light]

Already have, but I’ll try to get AM5 at some point

[weak bluff]

ok then i guess just stay

wait for idk zen 5 zen 6

[pale orbit]

zen 5 is a rumored to be up to 30% ipc improvement, but the x3d part which would bump that even higher for things like games will if going by past x3d releases happen at a much later date

like 2025

[weak bluff]

yeah there is always improvement

if you can wait wait if not just stay

[gloomy crater]

It's funny how VRChat is the one application that actually makes people concerned about their CPU performance. My 5900X is already considered outdated but I can still play pretty much any game I want to no problem, meanwhile it feels like GPUs require upgrading every couple years. Cyberpunk at 4k or any of the newer 25k^2+ resolution headsets on 120hz+ would easily max out my GPU and I've only had it for two years lol.

[pale orbit]

the only way amd will release the x3d part sooner or at the same time is if intel has something that is a threat performance wise

which won't happen at launch if it's in a few months, so at best as a response to something intel down the road this year announces

[haughty thistle]

People who think they need to upgrade their CPU every 3-4 years are either playing VRChat or are just mis-informed. CPUs don't age as fast as GPUs. LTT even made a video about it a while back (back when Ryzen 5000 was still relatively new)

[thin bay]

vrchat is not that slow

[rapid otter]

Yeah GPUns age so fast

[warm stirrup]

Isn't vrchat more vram intensive than cpu?

[rapid otter]

In 6 years the 4080 is twice the power of the 2080

[little plinth]

5700x3D

[little plinth]

Depends on your game ig

I mean 4 years is the difference between ryzen 3900x and 7800x3D

The 3900x will be quite slow on faster gpus

[weak bluff]

Any 3d v cache is good

[rapid otter]

I remember we talked here about the quest 2 to 3, and now I understand why everyone is talking about the pancake lenses. When you play your vision is mostly centered, but when you watch content you don't move your head much and you really see the light rays when it's white on dark images

[little plinth]

Pancake glare is much less of a problem than the shit fresnel sweet spot

[grizzled field]

pancake lenses are better than fresnel?!?! thats like saying usb thumb drives are better than floppy disks, its obviously not true

[rustic garnet]

huh

what kinda floppy disks do you have

[warm stirrup]

I'm happy to report that the 290 USD vive pro kit (2.0 base stations and 2.0 wands) works flawlessly

[weak bluff]

saw $246 Reverb G2 deal but decided not

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/608454045291642888.webp?size=48&name=vrcFPaulSip&quality=lossless

feels like missed opportunity

but I use Windows 11

[gloomy crater]

I'm on a Reverb G2 right now but I'm on win10 so I'm safe from the deprication for a while. Still gonna try to save up enough for a new headset by christmas just in case though

And yeah the G2's sweet spots and glare are particularly annoying bc not only is the glare on a similar level to the Index I used to have, but also the sweet spots are higher up on the lenses so I have to have the HMD sitting lower on my face for stuff to be clear and it just makes the whole thing pretty uncomfortable

[weak bluff]

Idl whats worse selling quest 2 a year later or selling G2 a year later

Which one will lose value faster and will G2 be less desirable post Windows 11 24H2

[haughty thistle]

Very likely. I mean, who wants to run a whole second install (or an older Windows version) just to use one specific piece of hardware...

[gloomy crater]

sigh, it's about that time again. In my feed I'm getting clickbait articles from "videogame journalism" websites about 'tHeRe WeRe FiLeS fOr A nEw HaLf LiFe AlYx SeQuEl In A cS2 UpDaTe, DeCkArD cOnFiRmEd???'

[hasty prawn]

Would a gtx 1660 be good for a meta quest 3

[haughty thistle]

Barely...
The RTX 2060 is generally considered as the entry level VR GPU. Iirc the 1660 is the lowest end GPU you can actually use with Link (even if not that recommended), tho you will definetly want to lower the render resolution...

[hasty prawn]

I’m getting a 2060 in April so that’s great

[devout trail]

Negative. My sons PC is using a 1650 Super and its been running for 2+ years with link just fine. Got him a quest 2 last year and been fine since too.

[haughty thistle]

Right. Because the 1650 Super is just a cut down 1660. Always keep forgetting these Super variants exist...
Still wouldn't recommend running VR on such low end hardware (unless you want to run at 50% render res or experience a vomit fest)

[devout trail]

It runs games just fine. Sure its doesnt run it at near full refresh and render but thats to be expected on entry level hardware. Even my old 1060 still runs games just fine too.

[rustic garnet]

"fine" is a relative term

[rapid otter]

The 2060 is as CB said the lowest end you should go, I had one for a long time and you are looking at a lower than native and 72-80 Hz depending on the game.

[hasty prawn]

ok

[rapid otter]

I wouldn't upgrade from a 1660 to a 2060, you should get a 2080 or 2080 ti maybe

You can find em pretty cheap

More than in flat screen performance is important as you want a good res and smooth experience

I'd say keep the 1660 and try the low end games and save for something else later

[hasty prawn]

im getting the 2060 for free

[devout trail]

Not really in this case. Thats why its a supported gpu instead of not supported. The card can play VR games just fine. Its the users expectations that should be tempered to expect less than optimal performance with lower end hardware or less powerful current gen hardware. Because for all intents and purposes I find my wifes 3060 to be inadequate for what I like in VR. Same for my sons PC. However for her or my son who are people who don't immediately look for their FPS counters when they get in a VR game have been enjoying it for years without any complaints of dizziness or ever vomiting, buying more games and enjoying more hours in VR than even I do means that they do in fact do it....just fine.

[devout trail]

Cant complain on a free upgrade! I got a recent upgrade on warranty that gave me a 13900ks/4090 in place of my 12900k/3080ti! More FPS!

[hasty prawn]

so if i werte to save up for a better gpu what should i do

[devout trail]

Atleast a 3060 or better would probably be the most common choice to limit those chances of dizziness or discomfort you may have.

[rustic garnet]

try it out if you get it for free lol

[little plinth]

G2 will defo depreciate faster

[rustic garnet]

and then if you want better performance sell it to someone else for not free and you'll get a head start in the budget for something faster

[grizzled field]

3 1/4 I just split up large files between them, you know I have 1,000 so I can store a WHOLE GIG!

[obtuse abyss]

I have an I9-9900K and an RTX 1080 TI and 32 GB of ram is that good enough?

[grizzled field]

for VR? Depends on the headset, but it should be

I'm running a Rift cv1 on a gtx 970, Ryzen 5 3600 and 32GB Ram

and it only... kinda makes me want to vomit, which is better than actually vomiting!

[cedar belfry]

lucky mf

[weak bluff]

9900K and 1080Ti yes

Whatever that combo is then it's Chinese fake

[burnt oasis]

depends on game and headset, anything better than a quest 2 your gpu will struggle, and some cpu heavy games will kill your cpu

[gilded sapphire]

Heavily depends on the game, you could maybe get away with roblox VR, no way that thing is playing something like VRchat with anything other than minimum settings tho

[rustic garnet]

And depends on the headset

specifically render resolution and driver overhead

The 1080ti is still a good card

paired with a lower resolution headset

[hasty prawn]

Meh I’m stil saving up for a 30 deities card

[little plinth]

Haha robloxvr is in no way light

That shit unoptimized asf

[gilded sapphire]

The programming maybe, but the GPU usage is low enough I can play VRchat and roblox VR at the same time and swap between them

[little plinth]

I ran 6 roblox instances at once on flat and my 3080ti barely used 30

I got cpu limited kek

[burnt oasis]

a 30 deities?

[hasty prawn]

Mb series

[manic maple]

Yeah, VRChat you'll definitely have to remove anti aliasing and disable avatar shaders as that will hit CPU performance but I know plenty of people who play with much older cards on VRChat such as the GTX 970, and the 1080ti. It all depends on what headset you use and what resolution it demands.

[manic maple]

I'm using a 1.2MB 5.25" FDD myself :3

[manic maple]

POV: You have money to burn

[weak bluff]

Used to play vrchat on RX 580 and Core i3-9100F its about how much you can tolerate

On quest 2

[manic maple]

Damn

[weak bluff]

Train motion sickness

[manic maple]

I used to play VR with a laptop with mobile RTX 2060 and Intel 10400h and there were so many stutters and frame drops that I ended up building a PC

[weak bluff]

Quest 2?

[manic maple]

Valve Index

[weak bluff]

You have displayport for that?

[manic maple]

USBC to DP adaptor

[weak bluff]

If its not alt DisplayPort it wont work well

[manic maple]

I don't use the laptop anymore it died on me anyways which sucks

With my current PC I don't have any performance issues so I'm happy :3

[weak bluff]

Desktop rules

Im going mini ITX over laptop

[manic maple]

For sure!

Gaming laptops are biggest waste of money for me at least

I spent half what I spent on my current PC on a gaming laptop back in Jan 2021 and it only lasted 2.5 years before its battery died which is expensive to replace

[weak bluff]

If I want light and fast I would build fast desktop and setup remote control to my tablet PC

Connect your cheap tablet or laptop to PC at home

Light and fast

[manic maple]

I still own desktop PCs from 1987 that still work

[weak bluff]

Assuming you don't have Australia internet

[manic maple]

IBM XT compatibles outlasting modern laptops xd

[manic maple]

Why is Australian internet so bad

Do they still widely use ADSL like where I live in the UK?

[weak bluff]

Lol

Poor infrastructure investment

False promise from politicians

Overspending

It would be comedy in every aspect of it

Someone even memed the NBN https://youtu.be/8AfEhoU44L0

[manic maple]

Locals in my area complain about low internet speed whilst spending twice what I pay for a 17.9mbps copper connection than what I spend on a 150-500mbps 5G connection

[weak bluff]

I pay $11/month for fixed 225Mbps

Im on subsidized high density area

[manic maple]

Fibre?

[weak bluff]

Yes

[manic maple]

No availability in my area other than spending fortune on engineer

[weak bluff]

Infrastructure people

[manic maple]

I live in a rural area

I'm sticking to my 5G router they only stuck up a mast a year ago but it was best solution

[weak bluff]

Reason why some poor country have fast internet because they never had infrastructure in first place so they start with speedy fibre

And dense population

My internet went from 50Mbps to 225 in a decade

[manic maple]

In my country the infrastructure is decades old and government spending on fibre upgrades are kinda spent randomly all over the place

[weak bluff]

You need competitive or government involvement

My internet is government subsidized

[manic maple]

Welcome to the UK where privatisation is government policy

Oh well at least our cellular networks keep being expanded by mobile companies and my god is it cheaper

[weak bluff]

Man this may mean I can do wireless Quest 2 over the internet

To my PC

[manic maple]

Depends on latency ya

[weak bluff]

Basically mobile PCVR

Latency will bite depends

With peer to peer latency is just matter of internet

[haughty thistle]

Wow. Over here they charge like 50€/month for 250mbps VDSL; 40€ for 100mbps...
Fiber is the same but with the option for 1gbps down/500mbps up for like 80-120€/month (depending on the provider) 🙃

[weak bluff]

I live in super dense area and ISP is a state owned company aim to subsidize instead of profit

The customer service is shit but when it works its great

And we are under mercy that if submarine cable breaks that stable 225 can go down significantly to Australia level

[haughty thistle]

German Telekom used to be part of the German Post and the German Post used to be state owned. But in the 90s we had a huge privatization craze and so Telekom was split off from the Post and both were privatized. Now both are international players known for somewhat shotty and expensive services (Dt. Post did a merger with DHL; and Telekom is usually known as "T-Mobile" in countries where they only have a presence in the mobile space)

Trust me, it's 100% the same story in their domestic market 🥲

[little plinth]

Latency will still be horrid

Airlink/VD via wifi6 local is already like 40ms average

Then if you add network latency that's a solid 30ms extra at least

[weak bluff]

Idk but streaming PCVR service exist so it might be up to lots of optimization

[little plinth]

Existing doesn't mean good

People still complain about latency on wireless pcvr, over the internet pcvr will be even more horrible

Definitely no playing something like beat saber or any shooter that requires fast reaction time

[weak bluff]

Ok but still for flat screen gaming its good enough

[little plinth]

Yes it's decent

I've played over parsec at 80+ms over 4G

[rustic garnet]

I played some games with steam remote play on a car trip this christmas over 4G/5G and it was actually really solid overall but every few minutes it would basically drop the connection for a few seconds which i assume was due to changing over the cell towers

[haughty thistle]

I've done something similar once a long time ago as well. Parsec on a laptop tethered to a very poor 4G connection in a hotel room. Worked good enough for some very basic VRchat on desktop mode, but wouldn't go play anything fast pace or VR for that matter...

[grizzled field]

nice

floppys are the best

we never should've gotten rid of them

[manic maple]

so true!

[grizzled field]

and the sound they make as you use them is soooo satisfying, especially when you're swapping them

I'd listen to floppy disk asmr

XD

[burnt oasis]

i wonder where high end pcvr will be by 2030

somewhere like 25-35 ppd with near human eye fov, oleds and comfort similar to that of bigscreen beyond, under 500 grams

wonder if there will be a new standard of controllers too

[haughty thistle]

I doubt we'll get to human eye FOV anytime near that. The industry giants have shown that they'd rather increase resolution beyond necessity and would rather downgrade the experience if it means they can sell a more locked-off eco-system as a tiny increase in convenience...

Welp, I ain't typing that all again... thanks bot <.<

[calm tree]

Anyone here have a Bigscreen Beyond yet?

[weak bluff]

dont ask to ask just say if you want it

[devout trail]

I ended up deciding on the Aero instead of the BSB. So far I’ve been loving every minute of it. Definite upgrade from the index I used for years. You thinking of getting a BSB?

[rustic garnet]

what happen :(

[haughty thistle]

If you shorten "who are" (using the standard 're) the bot will slap your message...

I keep running into this pitfall 😭

[distant frigate]

i like in kenya and I spend over 90 bucks a month for 50-70mbps

and its fibre

[rustic garnet]

what that's such an oversight

[haughty thistle]

I mean, if you take away the ' then you do land on a banned word and if you do consider levenshtein distance, then the who are shortened by an ' is just a single change away and could've been used just bypass the filter. It makes sense from a programatic perspective...

[patent flume]

What’s a good head strap for the quest 3 with a battery besides the 130 dollars oculus one

[weak bluff]

If cost concern you then DIY your own powerbank

Use normal hard strap then put battery on back with elastic strap

[calm tree]

just irdered one

trying to see what owners think of it

[burnt oasis]

unless youre utilizing AR and MR capabilities, i dont really see the purpose of the aero over the beyond since the beyond overall does look better in vr, plus comfort and mic

[gloomy crater]

The main draw of the aero for me and other people like me who have really big issues with glare in VR is that the Aero has aspheric lenses, which cut down significantly on the visual glare. The BSB's lenses are actually known to have rather bad glare. That and the fact that the aero won't work with my gpu are the main reasons I'm waiting for another headset that has Aspheric lenses to ditch my G2. Hopefully there's a better headset (not the Somnium VR1 preferably, bc even though it has aspheric lenses and works on amd gpus, I could buy a 4090 and an Aero for the price of just that headset alone) that'll release before WMR gets fully disabled

[burnt oasis]

if the vision pro had wireless and wired steamvr mode and could use the controllers too, i wonder if it would make it a lot more mainstream

oh shit alvr is a thing

[arctic laurel]

whoever made https://www.valveprism.com put a suprising amount of work for just a quick troll site lol

[weak bluff]

im gonna use that to troll people

[spring ruin]

Bruv it fooled me so hard I forgot valve actually had the index

[weak bluff]

i knew it could not be because its too early

also Valve this time would want to accomodate with their flagship game as deal

[arctic laurel]

yeah, the real thing is probably still at least a year away

still saving for it though 😄
if its good (ill wait for the 1+ month reviews at least) ill buy it

[weak bluff]

nah prob more than a year

Valve time

[gloomy crater]

My bet was Q2 2025 or later

That gives them a good six years after the Index came out

[weak bluff]

if they release hardware usually they have a game in dev in parallel

[little plinth]

assuming console time is not good for valve

half life 2 is 20 years and counting if you don't count alyx

[weak bluff]

they aint making half life 3

the story continue with half life alyx

right?

[little plinth]

next valve vr could be next month or 10 years

[weak bluff]

until half life alyx 2 then no half life alyx 3

[little plinth]

Half life alyx 2 Gen 2

then continue to Half life ultra 2 Gen2x2

[weak bluff]

NOooooooooooooo

Half Life Alyx 2 Gen 2x2

[gloomy crater]

I definitely think that before they made a new VR headset, a new iteration of a product they had already released in an existing space, they wanted to focus on entering a new space they had no presence in first. That being mobile computing, and the steam deck. I think that the steam deck's development ate a lot of their hardware development allocation, and now that it's out and it's a brand new product that they don't have to worry about iterating on any time soon, they're more likely to shift back and do a new VR hardware release what with their last one being pretty outdated at this point.

[weak bluff]

Valve is waiting for: Better AMD Semi Custom, their game, SteamVR on SteamOS before they could finish their hardware

[sly stratus]

We all need more half life games.

[devout trail]

Sorry for a late response wasnt feeling the greatest yesterday. I mainly got mine just out of impatience. I've had pretty much every first gen headset and counterpart since the CV1 and was just itching for something better than my index. Its really not a crazy upgrade compared to the index either. Just has taken me some time getting used to the varjo software and little kinks n nitpicks.

[burnt oasis]

the BSB?

[devout trail]

No I got the Varjo Aero.

[burnt oasis]

damn i want to know about the beyond

i'll probably be buying it a year or year and a half from now tbh

unless a BSB killer comes out

[devout trail]

Right. Would be nice to have something full setup no mix n match system be announced. But with everything seeming like its favoring the standalone approach it makes me feel like this Aero's going to be the last big bad VR setup for me 😦

[burnt oasis]

even though i'm a bit spending conscious, i think i should treat myself a bit for breaking through the hardest phases of my goals

[devout trail]

I was hopeful for the index successor.....2 years ago so I've pretty much let that idea go.

You should!

[burnt oasis]

oh yeah nvidia gpus will be coming out by then too

and the cpu gen

[devout trail]

I mean atleast get a quest 2 to fiddle around with?

[burnt oasis]

i've had it for over 3 years, the joysticks are fucked lol

[devout trail]

Oh my bad lol. Ok maybe atleast then sell that thing off for parts on ebay or something. Then small upgrade to the quest 3 until the good one makes it your way?

[burnt oasis]

also pc hardware is fine but my gpu is a weak point, 16gb ram, 5600x3d, 6650xt

[burnt oasis]

nah imma just go all in

[devout trail]

Oh yeah of course! I mean just to tide you over until something releases and the GPU

but wouldnt be like forking over for a full price headset as the used headset would offset some cost.

But I see your logic. Spend none and save for the best! I like it lol

[burnt oasis]

i mean after all once i finish school and get my first job, the whole pc upgrade and vr setup could be on an entire months paycheck

[devout trail]

Yeah maybe another 16 or 32 gigs and a beasty card and youd be set id say!

[burnt oasis]

i wonder if next gen cards will be overkill for a BSB

i mean is the 4090 enough for varjo, BSB

[devout trail]

Its "enough" but I wouldnt mind a little more power.

[burnt oasis]

id be running the 72hz mode anyways

at 2560

i mean after all the 4090 can do 100+ fps in most demanding games at 4k

[devout trail]

Yeah. Can say my 3080ti was pretty good at keeping that. My 4090 destroys it 🙂

Atleast for the few games I mainly play. Nothing using RT or DLSS

[burnt oasis]

i hope there is a bsb killer

like a 130fov+ 6k OLED

even if it costs more

kid in my class is comparing the quest 2 and 3 to vision pro

[devout trail]

I wish. Thats a little high of a reach I'd say. But I mean I would definitely be intrigued.

[burnt oasis]

saying it can do way more for way less, i can see why ignorance irritates people

doesn't even know meta is facebook, or the price of their headsets

[devout trail]

Thats next! thinking I might be able to talk the wife into letting me snag that if I get her a new iPad Pro

[burnt oasis]

thought the w3 is $300

[devout trail]

Think its 499

[burnt oasis]

nah there were demos of special curved lenses and a double stitched lens too with human eye fov

im not sure what lenses they were though, pancake from the looks of it

this is a couple years old demo too, it was working with displays and everything (needed 4 displays tho) so idk why it isn't being used yet

[devout trail]

Yeah a demo of that tech. By the time that reaches any type of consumer IF it makes it way into that market will be years away.

Its probably not made practically for a VR setup yet

[burnt oasis]

it's been like 2 years already tho and it was fairly functional

[devout trail]

Maybe still fine tuning/optimizing?

[burnt oasis]

i guess

[devout trail]

Just me guessing too lol

[burnt oasis]

idc if the headset costs even like $5k if it has that fov at even 25ppd id be all in

i hope a full pcvr upgrade will initially give me that same feeling when i used the quest 2 for the first time in my room

when you come out of it an hour later and take a minute to adjust and realize you're back in reality

even for the first couple of months there were times i would have muscle memory to do a gesture or expect to see something that wasn't there

awesome

i hold some concern of VR limiting my productivity in the future but at the same time it's what pushing me to be more productive as is

[devout trail]

Well since I use both pretty frequently that feeling is gone for me. Other than the non standalone games I have every other game just feels like the graphics are maxed and qualitys up. Most play somewhat the same as they do on the PCVR version compared to their standalone versions.

[burnt oasis]

have you played modded skyrim vr?

[devout trail]

Yep. Was quite fun for a few months

[burnt oasis]

i still have my hundreds of mods setup

actually really good control over the colors contrast and sat, but the limitations are noticeable on my quest 2

also with my fucked controllers lol

[devout trail]

Lol yeah that would be annoying

[burnt oasis]

it's unplayable now

[devout trail]

Yeah thats why I was suggesting the q3 as a upgrade until you can get the GPU and VR upgrades later on 🙂

[burnt oasis]

sometimes mixing drugs into vr makes it quite the experience, ive only tested with weed, a dissociative, and psychedelics

vr on acid was very intense and kinda strange, i see what people mean by it can be overwhelming

[devout trail]

Yeah I'd bet thats quite the experience lol

[little plinth]

Sounds rad
but i don't use any of those so i can only imagine

[burnt oasis]

i would at least suggest weed with it

maybe it's because i've tripped before but when im really stoned and was playing skyrim the snowy rocks on the mountains subtly formed faces

[austere sleet]

There used to be a game called the Wave which was sort of like a live concert venue with a ton of trippy visuals. The devs ended up abandoning it, but it was really something special while it lasted.

[rapid otter]

Wait what, that's so much effort for a troll

Actually great job

[rustic garnet]

right it's such a good design mock up

[warm stirrup]

Is it worth getting the vr cover 16mm facial interface for the Vive Pro?

[pale orbit]

half life: x has been data mined out of the last couple CS2 updates

mentions of it in files go back a couple years

so they have been working on it for sometime

https://www.gamesradar.com/half-life-alyx-could-be-a-getting-an-improved-expanded-follow-up-according-to-valve-leaker/

2021

https://www.pcgamesn.com/half-life/new-games-counter-strike-2

last week

[little plinth]

GTA expanded and enhanced vibes

[rapid otter]

That's an interesting article

But what I wonder is if their next game(s) will be vr or flatscreen

[gloomy crater]

I saw the articles about HLX but chose to ignore it cause there's no point in speculating on a new VR title from Valve until we know for sure whether there will even be a new headset from them any time soon

[rapid otter]

Probably will release with the new headset

If it ever comes

[rustic garnet]

Literally all this means is valve still has employees

[weak bluff]

lets see how long you enjoy it until return

vrcAevSip

[mint garnet]

[bleak laurel]

nowadays, is a index still peak vr?

[little plinth]

definitely...... not

[rustic garnet]

The controllers and steamvr system sure

the headset... Not so much

[bleak laurel]

what headset would you pair it with?

[bleak laurel]

which headset would be compatible with the controllers?

[lilac lake]

I have a ... question and i have no idea where to start 😛
I do a lot of gaming on my TV downstairs, using (moonlight / Sunshine / Gamestream) from my Desktop Machine upstairs. As I have 10Gb networking, its pretty amazing for most of the games i play in terms of latency. I do it though through a Shield Pro and have things like my Keyboard plugged in to the shield directly, and the shield outputs to the TV in directly. So far easy. Game with KB/M or controller etc...

SO Question: Is there any way to reasonably use a VR Headset (either a valve Index or a Quest 3, or something) as part of this setup on the Shield? or is the latency (can i even connect them) going go anihilate me?

I've never owned a VR Headset, and I dont know anyone that does locally, so cant really test it easily

[rustic garnet]

why do you want to involve the nvidia shield

do you have more space for a vr area downstairs or

[rustic garnet]

Anything steamvr

anything from a vive to a bigscreen or varjo depending on your budget

[lilac lake]

The shield is doing the stream receiving from desktop, so unless I carry the PC downstairs and dont have it in my office, i dont see another way?

[rustic garnet]

yes but do you need the vr area downstairs

[lilac lake]

yeah, ofc 🙂

my Q is about the connection / latency / etc... the space is easy to sort 🙂

[rustic garnet]

quest 3 can be ran completely wireless

to a pc

[lilac lake]

Ah nice, but what distance / etc..? like is the idea "i'm standing 1 Meter away from the PC" wireles,s or "i have a conrete ceiling above me to the PC wireless?" :p

[rustic garnet]

i have no fucking idea but very little confidence that you could output anything to a wired headset through a shield

[rustic garnet]

Wifi

sounds like u have a pretty banging home network setup so

get a separate router as well

[lilac lake]

so cool, thats solved, got wifi6e now

with a 3 ubiquity APs (one on each floor) so thats fine

ok so Quest3 works - and i can run steamVR on that ? or is it locked to metas envirionment?

[rustic garnet]

you can stream steamvr natively on your computer

(thx gabe)

[lilac lake]

what makes you think that? I'd assume a network stream, is a network stream, is a network stream. the shield just runs a hdmi cable, but i am worred about controller / etc.. latency, i dont know how to those communicate back

[rustic garnet]

The shield has an Ethernet input and a hdmi output correct

[lilac lake]

ye

[rustic garnet]

i dont have one but

[devout trail]

The shields very old outdated and underpowered cpu is why 🙂

[lilac lake]

1GB ethernet

[rustic garnet]

vr headsets are very dependent on the gpu having direct control of the displays

i have a hardware steam link i could try with i guess

[lilac lake]

yeah, but... it does. Its literally just a network link passing teh data through.

[rustic garnet]

Not the same but very similar hardware

[rustic garnet]

A network link is a compressed video stream

[devout trail]

Yes hardware steam link is only 100m. Enjoy 🙂

[lilac lake]

100m?

[devout trail]

The hardware box not the software or app

Sorry edited right after to clarify

[lilac lake]

yeah, but idont use the hardware box 😛 i use moonlight / sunshine 🙂

[rustic garnet]

100Mbit?

or wdym

[lilac lake]

from the desktop to thes hield

[devout trail]

Yeah the old steam link is only 100m

[rustic garnet]

pro tip m means meters

[devout trail]

Not to me lol

[rustic garnet]

well

It doesn't mean megabit either

to anyone

[devout trail]

lol I’ve used it plenty of times in forums and not been misunderstood. Sorry you were.

[rustic garnet]

When talking about wireless networking (which have physical distance ranges) there's room for confusion

like im just saying SI unit conventions exist for a reson

reason

[devout trail]

Steam link box isn’t wireless which was what I was referring to.

[lilac lake]

shield Pro runs 1Gb from the switch, 10GB back to to machine, and all it does it takes the datastream - and dumps it in the hdmi output. I also has a usb port, that it makes available so the pc on the other end of the network stream can use those . This works FLAWLESS with this set, and the TV as the video output device. I am truly not worried about any of this, the only Q is:

1. Can i hook up a vr headset (sounds like quest 3 can be done wireless, which is great) so that is one avanue, but not sure how controller latency would work?
2. Can it be done wired through the shield

[rustic garnet]

i dont think that's relevant to the discussion at all

[lilac lake]

mate... no-one is talking about the steam link box. at all.

[rustic garnet]

i am

[devout trail]

You said you had a steam link box to try….

[lilac lake]

https://tenor.com/rJaiC4eiKnt.gif

[devout trail]

So yeah was exactly relevant to what I said lol

[rustic garnet]

yes and i would test it wired?!

[lilac lake]

ah - i missed that Xd

[devout trail]

Yes….wired is only 100m as i stated

You simply mistook what I said on 100m for distance rather than speed. No big deal sorry for confusion.

Was just saying you’d have a bad time with a steam link box since it’s limited in its network speed. Maybe for some 1080 60fps it would still be ok. But even then my old one started being really funky with stutters

[rustic garnet]

I have a really hard time believing the shield is a completely transparent transfer layer back to the host machine

[devout trail]

The shield isn’t. It’s running a Tegra chip worse than the switch for reference.

[rustic garnet]

that doesn't matter

we're not talking about rendering vr on the shield

no duh it's not up to snuff for that

[devout trail]

Neither was I.

[lilac lake]

its not. for sure, but to simplfy the convo it might as well be. shield does a bunch of encoding / decoding and does add some latency

[rustic garnet]

@lilac lake if you want one of the wired headsets i think reallllyy long usb/dp extension cords would be the most reliable solution

[rustic garnet]

No it might not as well be bc vr hardware needs very complicated drivers to work

And those drivers need full access to the hardware

[devout trail]

You’re wireless setup might be fine as it is for just regular wireless vr.

For a quest 2/3 atleast

[lilac lake]

so i am a bit confused then... you think the passthrough over usb is not enough to the host pc? to detect and initiate drivers?

[rustic garnet]

i imagine the shield doesn't send the full usb protocol back and forth but instead abstractions like HID commands

[rustic garnet]

Dependent entirely on how transparent the passthrough is

[lilac lake]

Yeah, wireles smakes the most sense based on this so far, Usbs extentions not really an option, i tried for normal use of the PC and it was... a mess. where as using sunshine / moonlight and plugging things into the shield (usb) works flawless

[devout trail]

No the shield cannot pass through any devices to your host PC in terms of VR.

[rustic garnet]

well ok which headsets have you been considering even

[devout trail]

Yeah a dedicated wireless network solely for wireless VR would be best.

[rustic garnet]

like is it even worth yapping about trying to connect them wired

[lilac lake]

based on this, not really. Quest 3 seems the best call so far

[devout trail]

But your 3 AP setup might be robust enough already

[lilac lake]

I was thinking Valve Index, but not sure its worth the headache / uncertainty

[devout trail]

I loved mine but just really not worth 1000 nowadays and used ones can be flaky if something goes wrong you need original proof of purchase and all that to service it through valve if you’re not confident in your own repair abilities.

[lilac lake]

Fair nuff.. guess i'll need to read up, but might not be worth it as you said if quest 3 can be run wireless native across my network... all thats left is checking how bad latency gets so curious about that

thanks for the info so far! helps figure out my next steps for sure ❤️

[rustic garnet]

index is kinda outdated by now

[lilac lake]

hmm.. so besides Quest 3, what else are good options?

[rustic garnet]

Wow it's coming up on five years old this year

[rustic garnet]

Do you have a budget

[devout trail]

Maybe Pico 4?

[rustic garnet]

pretty much that or something wildly more expensive

[lilac lake]

I dont mind spenidng on something worthwile

i didn't prepare this entire hell-scape of a network job with 10Gb in my walls for nothnig 😛

[devout trail]

Only other thing thats not really relative now is the quest pro? I dont know if you can find them used or something for cheap.

[lilac lake]

isn't the Quest Pro just a Quest with some of the data-tracking disabled?

[devout trail]

Its like some half iteration of what they wanted the q3 to be. It had horrible light bleed and I only used mine for about 4 hours before I got sick of it. Been sitting in the box for months now.

[rustic garnet]

The q3 is pretty much a better and cheaper qpro yeah

[lilac lake]

pico 4 seems fairly comparable to quest 3 price-wise. whats the benefit of it?

[devout trail]

Im not sure on the specifics of its difference to the q2 or q3 but I didnt like it and read nothing but bad reviews. But to each their own just wanted to say whats all out there.

[rustic garnet]

The self tracking controllers are really cool though

[lilac lake]

"The Quest 3 uses the considerably more powerful Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 processor," ... vs pico4, wel.

that kills that one 😛

wait... i think my BIL has a PSVR lying around, didn't that have a steamVR integration somewhere? that'd be a decent way to test wireless interconnect

[devout trail]

That does but you need to connect it to your PC

[lilac lake]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1005971/iVRy_Driver_for_SteamVR_PSVR_Premium_Edition/ yezzzzzzzz.... tihs sounds like a sunday project to see if that fucker fires up over shield network share 😛

Steam

iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR Premium Edition)

What is the iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR Premium Edition) DLC?• It is the FULL version of the iVRy Driver for SteamVR with PSVR support.What is iVRy (PSVR Edition)?• iVRy is a Virtual Reality headset driver for SteamVR for your Sony PSVR headset.What does that mean?• Want to play PC VR* (Virtual Reality) titles without having to buy another VR ...

Price

$18.99

ok, jokes aside, Quest 3 seems most reasonable option

this sounds like fun though

[devout trail]

That works really good. Hes working on the PSVR2 now.

That wont work over shield as you need to connect to the actual HDMI and USB ports on the PC. The shield doesnt have a HDMI in.

[lilac lake]

it does.

or... in

hmm

damn

https://tenor.com/pXO3PjhO3vT.gif

[devout trail]

yeah not in lol

Yeah your shield is useless in terms of VR bud. Things barely hanging on as a plex server pro.

[lilac lake]

its working fcking amazing for gamestreaming so i'm happy 😉

[devout trail]

Been abandoned for years. Soon theyll just pull it like they did the first 2.

Still have my portable. She trys on GFN and still struggles.

[lilac lake]

well, i guess that its a glorfied plexbox with moonlight client on it that can pass usb input back to the pc. but good enough :p

that said, not the channel, but is there a better thing than the shield pro that isn't using the TV itself

which is .. impractical from a logistics perspective

[devout trail]

Yeah absolute beast still in terms of a plex server. Just sucks they pulled featues from them and other crap with HDR over the years.

No not really if you're just game streaming from a PC locally. Shield just gets it done for that.

Still makes no sense for the gamestream feature to get pulled. Worked just fine....

[lilac lake]

agreed there, taht was infuriating.

glad Sunshine devs exist

but nothing for me but by happy with the little green mofo even after 4 years of it living as the plex, netflix and gamestream box :p

anyhow, going to look into Quest 3 to see if latency is managable across wifi so thanks folks

[rustic garnet]

Wait how do you know

[devout trail]

The ivry driver doesn’t have any type of support for the shield as it’s a regular android STB. The shield itself would have to have its own drivers for the PSVR to connect and pass through to the PC over network same as how the ivry driver connects the PSVR to the PC. Ivry IS the driver itself.

[rustic garnet]

right that's what I've been saying for like two hours 😭

[devout trail]

Ok?

I didn’t disagree with you on anything I recall? The other guy just didn’t seem to understand what you or I were saying in regards to trying to get his shield to act as a VR hub for a wired headset.

I even used the sheild as a hdmi extender as example then said it doesn’t have hdmi in ports. Just not possible with that old thing.

Depends even more on which version of the shield. There’s 6 different ones across 3 different SoC combinations.

[weak bluff]

this is amazing

running VR games without SteamVR will offload even more bloat

https://olekolek1000.com/F/envision_installation_hq.mp4

[burnt oasis]

has another hidden benefit as well

[haughty thistle]

Depends on how optimized the Monado compositor is tho. You're not running without a compositor, you're just replacing it with a different one. It's basically like the difference between Air Link and Steam Link on the Quest. Both get basically the same thing done, get the Quest into PCVR wirelessly, except that one drops you into Meta's compositor, the other into Valve's...

[rustic garnet]

ig not running the whole steam environment is slimmer

Besides it seems to be more about having a foss implementation available at all rather than DIYing something more performant

Also does it work for oculus headsets or is it just a steamvr replacement

[haughty thistle]

Totally agree with that. It's impressive where the FOSS community has gotten thus far!

[haughty thistle]

Iirc it does, however only sorta. CV1 controller tracking is considered experimental, Rift S only had 3dof tracking for it's controllers iirc
For Quest headsets you can just use ALVR, tho I guess that'll just drop you into SteamVR, rather then this FOSS compositor

[little plinth]

Not having a steam dashboard can be a hassle no?

like it's one of the reason i don't use something like VDXR

[weak bluff]

this is the same monado that is working on WMR own driver

[cedar belfry]

I bought myself something for my avatar and I LOVE ITTTT

It's an AFK animation and it moves. THE ANIMATION IS ANIMATED AAAAAAJDJ!$)$+

[fickle light]

It looks v cute

[cedar belfry]

The model is Rusk btw

and tyyy!

[rapid otter]

So your avatar types and uses the computer while you are afk ?

[cedar belfry]

It kinda points at the screen and floats but if I wanted to animate that, I could

[cosmic monolith]

Where does one acquire this afk animation?

[cedar belfry]

https://booth.pm/en/items/5069840
I used ModularAvatar and LilToon shaders, and put it under Chest bone

[rapid otter]

@weak bluff I got my new head strap very similar to yours, I ordered a 90 degré cable and a battery

I tried with a battery I already had but it's pretty bad since it's a 28000 mha it's super heavy

[weak bluff]

i guess... fight with another counterweight in fron or buy smaller battery?

[rapid otter]

I will buy a smaller battery

Already ordered actually

The counterweight feels nice but it's almost pulling it out of my face and adding another one up front will make my headset weight a kilo

[weak bluff]

Vive Pro users: first time?

[cedar belfry]

Use the random AIO on your desk as a counterweight :)

[rapid otter]

Random?

2080 ti kingpin isn't very random

[sullen linden]

hey so uhhh i recently put on my quest 2 and it said i needed to log back in but every time i try to it throws an error

[barren zealot]

got my hands on a quest 3.

as an index fanboy, i have to say that this screen quality is amazing. pancake lenses change everything.

but HOLY SHIT is this thing uncomfortable

and most importantly with a pitiful battery life

[devout trail]

Yessir. You're going to want to get a couple accessories to make it worth it. Snag a new head strap that actually works and a decent powerbank to keep ya going on for longer sessions. Or could just snag the battery head strap combo too.

[cedar belfry]

i got a new visorrrr

[cedar belfry]

the headband neon pulsates

[barren zealot]

will do when i can manage to set up and test something that works when it comes to pc streaming

if i can get my ps5 AND my pc to stream flatscreen games to it, holy shit

alas both steamlink and virtual desktop all require a wired connection to the router which is impossible for me, so i'm trying to get that figured out

[rustic garnet]

you can get a separate wifi ap to connect the headset to wirelessly

[devout trail]

Do the wireless AP and you should have basically no trouble doing either of those.

[barren zealot]

so wait let me get this straight, from my pc's wireless card to the main router is not ok but wiring it to an AP that wirelessly connects TO the main router is fine?

wack

[devout trail]

It’s about having essentially a WiFi network solely for the VR to use giving it the entire channel and bandwidth available and having little to no interference with other devices on your network that would cause performance and visual quality drops.

And also with a dedicated AP you can connect it directly to your PC eliminating your main router from the pipeline.

It might be fine you’d have to try it and see how it feels for you. If you notice issues the dedicated AP would most likely fix those issues.

[cedar belfry]

Is it possible to use my AX210 card as an access point for my headset to use steam link, or would my PC have to be essentially connected to itself? I'm just wondering, because I wanna eliminate my AP

[devout trail]

Kind of; You would have to essentially have 2 network connections with one method where as the other is just using your regular PCs mobile hotspot function but isnt the best. The second method is to use Wi-Fi Direct which is basically a 1:1 connection between the device and your PC but also would disconnect you from the internet if thats your primary connection. You would need a 2nd wifi adapter or be wired for internet access and could bridge the connections to give internet access to the quest. I tried it a couple years ago and it was a bit goofy for me but that was also on a much weaker and cheap USB dongle that barely could hold 1.0gpbs on the test speeds.

[pale orbit]

https://www.uploadvr.com/sony-working-on-psvr2-pc-support/

[warm stirrup]

No wayyyy

[gloomy crater]

"Other people are doing it without us, may as well do it ourselves so we can make some money off of it"

[rapid otter]

Mod is done

Adds about 1/30 to 2 hours of gameplay for very low weigh

[cedar belfry]

I think I could do it, I'm already wired for Internet and my WiFi card is just... there

[devout trail]

Give it a shot! Cant hurt!

[rustic garnet]

the extra ap should absolutely be connected to directly to your pc

wired

[rustic garnet]

oh fr

not like the extra hardware is gonna be properly utilized by 90% of devs but cool

[cedar belfry]

it's literally better than my dedicated AP

1200Mbps both ways

[devout trail]

Haha! Very nice! Hows everything look when youre in game/app? Are you seeing any visual issues or heavy compression happening on the fly? Might have to go back to that option if its become that good!

I just go through a regular router. Im using a RT-AC58U basically as wifi for my desktop/steamdeck/switch as where everyone else in the house is on a seperate nighthawk ax3000 to keep all the extra BS to a minimum. So far its been stable and no issues for me over the past 3 years. Been using this setup since the quest 1 got air beta and havent had a problem since.

[cedar belfry]

In game, visually it's fine but some times it goes to shit and becomes unplayable for a bit

I'm using Steam Link

[devout trail]

I mean I can understand the quality changes if youre in game moving fast and what not as the signal is going to fluctuate. But if its doing it just sitting there while almost no movement/idle then maybe a specific wifi channel too would stabilize it maybe? That way you dont have any on the fly channel switching going on to account for nearby interference.

[devout trail]

Ok so you say it goes to shit, does it go to shit close the app/error out or just go to shit 160p quality 🤪 then fixes after a bit?

and if ya dont mind my asking whats your system specs?

[cedar belfry]

Beat saber challenge community linear jumps

pretty fast

[cedar belfry]

goes to 160p and fixes

[devout trail]

Ah-ha! Ok that’s understandable I get the same effect with my wife’s q2 and 3.

[cedar belfry]

unbalanced
i3-8100
GTX 1060 3GB
16GB DDR4@2400MHz

[devout trail]

Oh ok so “technically” lower end. But hell that seems absolutely tolerable for easy entry into wireless VR if someone’s got horrid network setups or limited in what they can do.

I mean I’d even think that a little CPU bump would fix that quality drop for you too. But I also see the somewhat hindering effect the 3gb 1060 could be too. I’ve only used my 6gb 1060.

[cedar belfry]

I'm broke lol, I'm stuck with whatever I have at the moment

In the BS menu, I can hit 120fps easily, assuming SongCoreLoader wants to be optimised at the time

[devout trail]

Oh I feel ya! I’ve been down that road before. You’ll get something better soon….i can feel it!

[cedar belfry]

I just got my first job last week at a local sub shop. Today, I locked myself in the freezer by accident and was beating on the door for 3 minutes

I'm gonna get a used Index for $650 and save for an entirely new system

[devout trail]

Oh boy…..1 COLD cut combo please! lol

There ya go! Index is nice! GET PROOF OF PURCHASE.

Unless of course you like to repair yourself if something goes wrong.

[cedar belfry]

Like a screenshot of the purchase on eBay or the order number from original owner

[devout trail]

I believe @gloomy crater can attest to that. He’s had some fun with his if I remember correctly.

[devout trail]

Yep screenshot of order works. Don’t usually need the card number and stuff visible just that it’s able to be verified with that vendor.

[devout trail]

NOT the eBay purchase. Never that. That’s exactly what they don’t help with.

[cedar belfry]

I was thinking of building an ITX system
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxBPL9

[devout trail]

Ooh I love ITX systems! I used to have the Corsair ONE! Lemme peek at that build

Ok….

I like it but….3050 on a 7950?

[cedar belfry]

RTX

I like ray tracing on minecraft bedrock

[devout trail]

Maybe 7900 and a 3060ti or maybe even 3070?

Me too I feel that gpu is a little on the smaller side on otherwise a beasty machine.

[little plinth]

3050 can't do RTX
well it "can" do RTX

just like total garbage

[cedar belfry]

I don't want to go over $1600 if I can help it

[little plinth]

why are you even pairing 7950x with a 3050

[devout trail]

Umm so do you need 16 cores? I could build you a 4070 rig for 1500

X3D, 32GB, 4070, 240m AIO

[cedar belfry]

I would like at least 8 cores

[devout trail]

Yessir 7800x3D

[little plinth]

What are you even using it for

[cedar belfry]

minecraft bedrock

unity

a bit of blender

[devout trail]

Just literally had my buddy come over and buy that setup and I’m building it for him. He’s just gaming and VR told him basically 3XD is the sauce!

[little plinth]

all of which would benefit better on a better GPU

Minecraft bedrock isn't as cpu heavy as java

especially bender

GPU OptiX render will rekt any CPU

[cedar belfry]

Minecraft bedrock, RTX

[little plinth]

which would benefit more on a better GPU

[devout trail]

Yep Fionya’s right you should go for a bigger gpu instead of 16 cores. 8 is still kicking ass but the X3D would keep it strong for a few years should you decide to upgrade further down the line

[little plinth]

this is blender against a 12core cpu

[cedar belfry]

I definitely don't want an AMD graphics card

[little plinth]

it's just to put it to perspective

AMD card which is seen as worse than nvidia in blender

still rekt the 12-core CPU 9x

[devout trail]

I mean if you really HAVE to have the cores I’d atleast bring it down to a 12 core. That 3050 is gonna piss you off after a year or two.

[little plinth]

it'd piss me off in a month

[devout trail]

Right lol

[little plinth]

my 5700x3D already plays java minecraft beyond any monitor refresh rate

let alone bedrock

on a 7950x

heck i'm gpu bottlenecked on my 3080ti actually

only MSFS with DLSS Balance can bottleneck the CPU

[devout trail]

I miss my 3080ti 😦

God my ITX machine was good. I’m pissed they have such a flawed design on them.

I won’t lie it was a dumb buy but I really wanted it. Was 5k for the 12900k/64G/3080ti system all cooled by a pair of AIOs with ONE fan.

But Corsair decided to give me a 13900ks/4090/64G as warranty replacement. I’m fucking content lol

[cedar belfry]

I guess I won't build a new PC, I'm getting mixed opinions

[devout trail]

Oh you should! You’d absolutely love it!

[little plinth]

i mean

it's a 7950x with a 3050

who wouldn't be against that

[devout trail]

Heck check out some cpu videos on YouTube from HU and GN and you’ll see pretty easily what CPU and GPU you’d like. I’d bet you’d come back with a beasty that’s cheaper than that first build you posted.

And the X3Ds are on sale right now too I think? 370 for the 7800x3D on Newegg

[cedar belfry]

I definitely won't make enough money in time to take advantage of it

[devout trail]

Oh ok. Well even not on sale check the 7800x3d versus a 7950 in gaming. You’ll be very surprised. Deciding factor is do those cpus benefit on games you mainly play.

[cedar belfry]

I want something with a min of 8 cores, an RTX card, enough PCIe slots for a GPU, capture card and an extra for USB or a gigabit NIC, and at least 64GB RAM for under $1500. Not too worried about storage, 1TB should be plenty. For networking, I just want at least gig ethernet and wifi/bt

[devout trail]

Exactly the build i just did for a friend that I listed earlier. Only thing you’d need to pick is what kinda case you like which wouldn’t vary the price too hard. Unless you go overkill lol

[cedar belfry]

I kinda like the one I put on the case, it's not ugly

I really don't want any sort of glass/acrylic side panel as it'll be moved around in a backpack every now and then

[devout trail]

Yeah so keep your case, swap that cpu for a 7800x3d, then snag the msi Ventus 4070. Any 32GB 2 stick ram kit I’d say 5600 or 6000 is the sweet spot on AM5 I think?

[cedar belfry]

I was told 6000

[devout trail]

Then keep your 1TB SSD too as that’s what I had in there too

Ok it’s 6000 I thought so 🙂

Oh! I just noticed!

You said you want a RTX card AND a slot for a capture card? Das a big no-no on ITX 😦

So micro atx?

Keep her small?

[cedar belfry]

It's just gotta fit in a backpack

[gloomy crater]

Yep. The Index is great, but expensive to replace individual pieces once they break. If you don't have the order number from the original purchase or the exact steam ID of the account that originally purchased the index, Valve will refuse to offer any support, even if it's within the warranty period.

[devout trail]

Oh holy shit now that might be a tough one lol

How big a backpack we talking lol

[cedar belfry]

I should have 50L if Amazon is correct

[devout trail]

Oh damn ok you got some space ok you might fit something in there then!

my Corsair ONE was like 12 I think

About 1.5 Series X in size

[gloomy crater]

My Mini PC can fit in a backpack I'm pretty sure, let me check. Edit: nah, my ITX build inside of the SSUPD Mesh case just barely doesn't fit in my largest backpack

[devout trail]

So I think it can be done!

[cedar belfry]

Well this hasn't happened yet lol. 1W over the limit lmao

[north ibex]

now you gotta get another 600w

[devout trail]

Lemme see what I had versus your build one sec

PSU doesn’t have a price but the one I had was a RM750e for 69.99

[cedar belfry]

I think I should get a Gigabyte PSU... 🧨

[devout trail]

Could go for a 650 or 700 if in the price range too

[cedar belfry]

Antec P50 is a cube

[devout trail]

You really thinking a cube? Cmon now!

Get you something with a little style.

Jk a cube gonna fit in there too?

[cedar belfry]

I'm a beat saber player, it's gotta fit

[devout trail]

Kb mouse and portable monitor too I assume? Oh and VR stuff?

[cedar belfry]

No kb/m or monitor, already have it in my bag

Just my Quest 2

and some networking stuff, dongles, and other random things. Tech EDC

[devout trail]

Oh ok so just the Q2 and Pc? Other peripherals are always available I assume too?

[cedar belfry]

Yep

[devout trail]

Right the gadgets! Can’t forget!

Ok I mean yeah with 50L I don’t see how that can’t be done. Gonna make you nice n strong too lol

[cedar belfry]

What about the Silverstone FARA H1M. It's not completely dead design

[devout trail]

Carrying that around gonna getcha some thiccness lol

[cedar belfry]

30.1L

[devout trail]

Hmm peeking one sec

Yeah I’d take that. Decent little case right there good open front too.

Lots of airflow 🙂

Actually just realized something too! You may not need the extra slot! Lol