virtual-reality

[dreamy flicker]

if my pc couldn't even open steam vr home on a gtx 960 how is your phone going to run games?

good luck though

[little plinth]

That thing is on 25 fps downloading SVR kek

[rustic garnet]

what the fuck

[real pasture]

gpu usage at 3%:

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[amber sleet]

25fps still

[real pasture]

if the surface updates it goes to 60

if its unfocues, it goes down as low as 1fps if not updated

[rustic garnet]

Yeah no shit it's rendering a 2d ui

Im more curious as to how you have steam running on a mobile device

[real pasture]

box64droid

[arctic laurel]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/3823053915991825336

[gloomy crater]

Direct from Valve SteamVR game streaming software for Quests was NOT among the things on my bingo card for this month tbh

[arctic laurel]

also apparently it might support linux which would be amazing. the only vr streamer that runs on linux is alvr and its nowhere near usable

[dreamy flicker]

can someone explain why this is a big deal when air link already exists and it's windows only for now

[gloomy crater]

My assumption would be that this would be an alternative that doesn't require oculuskiller

[dreamy flicker]

you still need the cockzucker to activate the headset tho

[gloomy crater]

The only real use this software would have is if you can bypass Oculus' host software so you don't need oculuskiller in the first place. If that doesn't end up being the case, then it's pretty much this comic all over again:

[dreamy flicker]

OH WAIT that would get of the crappy oculus link ui and allow you to use the main quest ui for pcvr

wait do you think it works with remote play anywhere?

[gloomy crater]

That would be dope but I don't think so. I feel like they'd mention that if it were a possibility

But that's literally what I've been hoping they'll end up doing eventually

[dreamy flicker]

it would suck so badly though

[gloomy crater]

y e a h

[dreamy flicker]

unless they did something like render a higher fov than the headset can display so you can look around a little bit

[arctic laurel]

air link looks like garbage

vd looks fine but is basically unusable due to constant stuttering

[dreamy flicker]

why wouldn't the steam version be just as bad

[arctic laurel]

because ive tried it and its not

the only issue ive had is that dark areas are a little gone

[dreamy flicker]

hmm

[little plinth]

it can also go towards an all out format wars and kill everyone but one

[arctic laurel]

theres also a good chance it could run on linux too, which im super excited about. windows is annoying and vr is the only thing I use it for anymore

[dreamy flicker]

I imagine valve would love to have index work with steam deck so they're probably trying

[little plinth]

steamdeck already struggle to run flat screen game at barely 720p

i wouldn't put much hope in that

[dreamy flicker]

or at least steamos i guess

[rustic garnet]

or their own standalone vr headset ...,..

Not to spin up rumors but tbf they're already pretty spun up

[arctic laurel]

its more than just rumors. they are 100% working on it. How long it will be or if it even gets released? who knows

[gloomy crater]

My bet was sometime in 2025. Thought I was gonna lose that bet when people started talking about Project Galileo showing up in places but then that turned out to be the OLED steam deck so

||Unrelated but speaking of the OLED steam deck, yesterday a guy at work threatened us after we refused to sell him $550 in steam gift cards so he could buy the oled steam deck lol||

[quaint beacon]

omg I didn't even know you were in here too

I know vrc is severely unoptimized, so maybe that can explain it

[grizzled field]

so for SteamVR headsets, is there anything better than the OG HTC vive in the same price range used? And dont say rift CV1 I'm looking for a headset I can use on linux and steamVR native headsets seem like way less hassle to set up, I just want to know if I can get a better deal before I take the leap

[weak bluff]

Alternative would be rare to pop up

You basically limited yourself to HTC Vive

Setup KVM QEMU to run windows and passthrough all the ports

[arctic laurel]

just wondering, is there some reason you cant/arent allowed to sell that many?

[gloomy crater]

Buying that much in a single transaction isn't allowed because it can be an indicator of fraudulent activity taking place. People who are getting scammed will often try to buy hundreds of dollars worth of gift cards to pay the scammers, so the policy is that we're only allowed to sell two gift cards per person per day regardless of denomination.

[weak bluff]

Can you try to find used quest 2 deals and a bottle of isopropyl alcohol

[plush shell]

I am looking for a high end vr headset.
I currently have the hp reverb g2 and ps vr2.

I really like the image quality on the psvr2 and the tracking is also so much better.
But I would like similar or if possible better quality on pc.

Budget is really high but what are my options?

[weak bluff]

Here are my recommendations

• Bigscreen Beyond
• Varjo Aero
  Both will need base station and controllers

[plush shell]

That's ok, I figured good tracking will need it

[weak bluff]

Comfort VR: Bigscreen Beyond + Base Station 2.0 x2 + Index Knucklescontrollers
Quality and active: Varjo Aero + Base Station 2.0 x2 + Index Knuckle controllers

former has great comfort and OLED screen for deep blacks latter has eye tracking and great fidelity

both are better and worse than PSVR2 on some way

[plush shell]

Ye the big screen looks really tiny and light, also hella nice specs on displays

[weak bluff]

it is really great for comfort

[plush shell]

Thx for the suggestions, imma go watch some reviews on them

Really appreciate it

[weak bluff]

ye and Varjo Aero recently drop price by half so old review may not reflect that btw

[plush shell]

Noted, thx

[arctic laurel]

ah makes sense

[grizzled field]

Naww I own my vr games on steam, and setting up all the stuff to get quest working on Linux is too much hassle. I'm good with getting the vive just wanted to make sure I didn't miss out on a better deal

The other thing is, does anyone know what it takes to set up HP Reverb on Linux?

[weak bluff]

there is the recent Steam Link

no need for VD or Oculus Software

[weak bluff]

.

Nvm it does not work yet

[amber sleet]

fr?

[warm stirrup]

Is it fine to have a cat proof cover on a VR headset cable?

[amber sleet]

if it doesn't affect the cable then its fine

[weak bluff]

what can a cat do to a cable?

[warm stirrup]

Nom nom

[obtuse badge]

anyone trying out the new Steam link app on the quest system experience a no audio issue? i cant get sound to play through the headset

[haughty thistle]

They heard they're very rich of fibers and so they love to chew on them...

[weak bluff]

aha just wrong type of fibers

[rustic garnet]

I dont think that's something anybody is working on

in theory it might be possible to reverse engineer a driver like with the psvr

but there's no demand for it

Ig you could also run a windows vm and pass through all the usb and hdmi? but i've'nt enough experience with virtual machines to know how or if that would work

[next spoke]

I have a reasonable budget. Should I get the Meta Quest 3 or the Valve Index?

[weak bluff]

there is OpenHMD however its incomplete

[amber sleet]

did u check the output device on the steamvr thingy

[sour quartz]

Get your daily dose of metals

[arctic laurel]

I did at first. Make sure that the audio is set it “headset” in the steamvr settings

[grizzled field]

oh im sure thats great if you have a WiFi connection that could support it, I'm lucky to get 500kb

so sounds like the HTC Vive is my best bet

[weak bluff]

Forgot to mention there is ALVR as well but assuming you get new wifi

[grizzled field]

yeah I know about ALVR

[rustic garnet]

It's your local network speed that matters

[severe solar]

Can someone more cultured than me tell me what game Linus is playing here in the big screen beyond video?

Nvm...Space Pirate Trainer.... Finally found it

[weak bluff]

Old classic

It was the vr tech demo game

[arctic laurel]

steam link is great. im finally able to enjoy pcvr again without it looking like garbage

[harsh niche]

steam link?

isn't that just for flat games

[weak bluff]

Now it can stream vr

[gloomy crater]

Welp, the cycle of obsolescence continues

After finally breaking down and ordering new index controllers bc my old ones absolutely croaked and valve refused to help, my base station just started blinking red, which means it's toasted too. Great.

I guarantee, I'm gonna go onto the valve support site, it'll say 'for a blinking red light, please contact steam support' and then I'll contact steam support, only for them to say that they're not gonna help me, and then I'm gonna have to shell out another wad of money to replace this base station.

[weak bluff]

New base station

Aaand black friday is over could have gotten cheaper

Alternatively buy use HTC vive kit and use 2 base station lol

[gloomy crater]

The thing is, if it were for me, I'd 100% do that, but the whole deal is that I'm gifting my entire index kit to my sister for Christmas which was the reason I bought new controllers in the first place. I may as well just buy her a whole damn new index kit at this point if stuff is gonna keep breaking lol

I don't presume you can just go free bird and play with only one base station?

[weak bluff]

you can but ocullusion will happens much more often

[haughty thistle]

They literally just released Steam Link for quest and it streams SteamVR. It's kinda like Air Link in terms of what you can adjust and ease of use. It's a simple tool to get SteamVR quickly up and running. VD on HEVC/AV1 still has a leg up in terms of image quality imo, but at least there's now a better free alternative then Air Link...

[little plinth]

VD desktop experience is enough to make it worth

Then there's snap dragon upscaler

And also SSW

Much better than ASW

[real pasture]

i love it that task manager displays my vr usage as 0% despite having beat saber open in bg

[little plinth]

SteamVR significant increase of users

that's like 1.5x last month's amount

assuming 100m steam users
that's a staggering 660k increase in VR users

[rustic garnet]

cheap quest 2s flooding the used market?

[little plinth]

Quest 3 is the biggest contributor actually

seems like people are returning to PCVR to actually make use of Q3's improved optics and screens

instead of the standalone ps3 graphics

[harsh niche]

Oh what the heck

interesting

[rustic garnet]

Well i mean people buying quest 3 will probably sell their q2

so any new headsets will be q3 and the old q2s are still in the headset pool but now with a different owner

Because the statistic is steam users with headsets and not just headsets themselves

u only need to look at the users who just bought their first kit? if that makes sense

and existing/upgrading users are still there

[weak bluff]

quest 2 is already flooded by the fact they sit collecting dusts lol

before and after quest 3

if there is quest 2 increase it should be increased by new sale not used sales

[little plinth]

any increase in SVR is appreciated

let alone a gigantic 1.5x increase

let's hope we reach above 2% next month

if even 5% has PCVR it should be enough for developers to get attention in PCVR

again

fuck the standalones

especially certain company copying sony's practices

[weak bluff]

Meanwhile even more standalone game is released

But with Steam Link Valve probably want to make PCVR as attractive as possible

Because lol people are selling Index for Quest for PCVR

[haughty thistle]

Which imo is stupid, as the Index still has a crisper image, especially in dark scenes, then the Quest. Compression artifacts are real and more visible then ever with the pancake optics of the Quest Pro/3...

[little plinth]

don't really notice it ngl, 150mbit hevc with snapdragon upscaling alleviated it a bit, since the image end up being 2736 that again gets downscaled to the display resolution
the supersampling will improve the visuals a bit
now i never have the index but considering the index low resolution and complaints about SDE it's probably better

[weak bluff]

i heard there is foveated encoding which can reduce effect of codec compression being used for Quest Pro idk how it is but sounds like good solution to artifactings

[haughty thistle]

My main test for compression artifacts is the beginning of the BeatSaber wall-art map "The Wall" (walking about the revamped one with Chroma and Noodle extensions). It has lots of fine details in the smoke at the bottom, both light and dark details, but mostly monochromatic. It should handle it quite well, yet the best I've seen was HEVC 10-bit and even that still looks like a mushy mess. H.264 just completely looses all details, even at 350Mbit in Steam Link.
Heck, I'd argue even the OG Vive would look better there...

I agree it's sort of a stress test, but it's super obvious with all the macro-blocking and whatnot. You don't even have to look for it...

[candid temple]

going to get vr set what is better ps5 vr2 or meta 3 for Christmas

[warm stirrup]

Very different price points damn

Or do you mean you already have a ps5?

Cause it looks like ps5 and the vr lol

[candid temple]

i have the ps5 and meta 2

just looking to get either new vr

meta 3 or psvr2

i have a 40% discount on them same place just picking either or

@warm stirrup

[rustic garnet]

they're very different experiences i would say

[candid temple]

Really how so

Really into beat saver. I’m looking into bumping into or heavy VR games.

[weak bluff]

since you already have Quest 2 why not PSVR2

expand more content at high quality

stuff that is not available on Quest at all

[warm stirrup]

The dilemma here is that with the psvr2, you will get higher quality games but not as many games, with the quest 2 you will have more gaming choices, mixed reality features, and the ability to use it with PCVR if you were to consider getting a nice PC

[little plinth]

Mixed reality on quest 2

[warm stirrup]

I meant 3 lmao

[rustic garnet]

PC PSVR2 is looking more and more like a reality with every passing day though

[rustic garnet]

cute fox thing !!!!

i love foxes

[jolly rain]

thank you for your comment, and I hope you had a good day at Christmas day

[rustic garnet]

🤨

christmas day

is in two and a half weeks

[jolly rain]

sorry if I confuse you, I didn't mean to say that I just thought adding end or something earlier

[sour quartz]

Steam link has allowed me to wirelessy stream to my headset even using 2.4ghz through several thick walls, wifi to wifi... albeit at a like 240p to get a semi usable framerate

Airlink though wouldnt even entertain the possibility

[spring ruin]

i come here to ask one question

is vr on a budget possible

nvm, ill look into getting a used quest 2

[gloomy crater]

Yep, I was right. Valve refuses to offer me any support with my dead base station because I wasn't the one who originally purchased it. That's another $150 I have to drop to fix their shoddy hardware, bringing the total up to >$430 in replacements

I'm starting to wish I had just bought a brand new one three years ago instead of a used one. I've now spent over the MSRP of the kit on the index itself and all the replacement hardware, so it would have saved me money.

[weak bluff]

Yes in fact even pcvr

[weak bluff]

Maybe buy used again?

[gloomy crater]

If I buy used again and it breaks again I'm gonna feel like a massive idiot having not learned my lesson. Besides, I wish I were joking, but just a quick ebay search looks like used index controllers and base stations are only negligably lower priced. Like, I got my full index kit for 55% off its MSRP, but people on ebay are charging only like 10-20% off for used components. At that point you're barely saving any money and it'd be better to just buy brand new ones.

[warm stirrup]

Do brand new trackers fail that much?

[rustic garnet]

the warranty is only a year anyway? i feel like you're unfairly pissed off

[gloomy crater]

It's not like I expect them to send me new shit for free after five years have passed, it would just be nice for them to tell me "oh sorry friend you're not qualified for a free return, but here's a place you can send your old broken stuff to be recycled rather than them becoming e-waste. Or alternatively here's our friends at IFixit, maybe they'll have some way for you to fix your issue" or at least out right saying I have to buy new ones instead of just "You're not the original owner? Ok ticket closed kthanksbye"

It's like, every single response to every forum post about issues with the index, every response is "Contact Valve and they'll send you a free replacement!" So there's literally no proper solutions to any issue. It's all just, if there's something wrong RMA it, but then nobody ever has a solution for issues on units that can't be RMA'd

Every reddit, steam, etc. post asking about the red blinking light issue on base stations all have the same response- contact valve and get it replaced. So there's no actual solution or troubleshooting attempts I can make, just give up and shell out money for a new one because planned obsolescence is a bitch

[weak bluff]

What happens when Vive ultimate tracker camera gets covered https://vxtwitter.com/nalulululuna/status/1732590196909285832?s=20

[burnt oasis]

is the bigscreen beyond/vision pro useful for having like 5+ virtual monitors at once, even without 5 physical ones?

[little plinth]

definitely

vision pro

not the beyond though

mostly because it relies on SVR

can't use softwares like immersed on pico/quest

while the vision pro will have its own software for it prob

[rustic garnet]

the vision pro isn't even out so it's very hard to know how useful it will be for any kind of productivity

or anything else really

But there's gotta be a way to make virtual desktop windows in a steamvr environment no?

[weak bluff]

Anything can get 5 monitor if you turn your head

I think its more important to have headset with least screendoor effect rather than FOV

As a result of me downgrading to Rift S, i cant read websites without zoom out. I regret it now.

[rustic garnet]

i would think both the beyond and the vision pro have more than enough pixels to read text

[haughty thistle]

From what we know, AVP will only support mirroring one monitor from a MacBook. Any additional windows you may want have to run on the headset itself. Knowing Apple, the desktop thingy will likely only work with Macs anyways...

[haughty thistle]

AVP? for certain.
BSB? depends. If you restrain yourself to 1080p (or lower), then yes, the BSB should have enough pixels. I have 1440p screens and it get's hard reading some smaller text on my Varjo Aero (which has a higher pixel density then the BSB).

[little plinth]

i like to be on my bed and this is unironically better than using laptop

plus i get to use desktop

and no neck pain from looking down

[dreamy flicker]

holy shit ost 6 is hard

like even on normal mode

[frosty vapor]

who still rocking a quest 1?

[lilac quartz]

Ah, you work in VR too. Nice.

[weak bluff]

today i go wireless mouse and keyboard to try work in vr for first time

cool but screendoor effeict and not being able to see keyboard sucks

[little plinth]

immersed

and keyboard portal

[haughty thistle]

Thrillseeker is challenging Linus for a VR boxing match xD
https://youtube.com/shorts/gwCoKejXONs

[harsh lark]

I hope it actually happens!!!

They should bring in all the other VR YouTubers too:
NathieVR,
Virtual Reality Oasis,
Phia Bunny,
Cas and Chary,
Sadly Its Bradley,
GingasVR,
Soul Fox Gaming,
Tribe Greywolf,
Disco-VR,
ZstormVR
VR Central,
Rendered Reality,
TechmanJu,
VR with Jasmine,
Atom Bomb Body,
Q2C VR Gamer,
Short Stack VR,
Between Realities,
Etc

Make it either a tournament or have Linus go against them in various games to make an Olympics. "Linus VS VR YouTubers"

[warm stirrup]

Linus vs Bandoot beat saber match

[gloomy crater]

I'd pay to watch that

Or they could do an actually good charity event where audience members can pay like $20 to play one beatsaber song against Linus and if they beat him they get a free sticker pack with their next order from lttstore.com.

[hollow zenith]

question for all you pros, will this laptop spec run VR okay?
Core i7-13620H
RTX 4060 Mobile
32GB DDR5

[weak bluff]

it should be able to run most vr game minimum

keep in mind that there might be issue if you try to use vr headset with displayport on laptop

[hollow zenith]

Quest 3, and its for when i'm out of town

so I think it'll be fine for light VRChat use-

[weak bluff]

it can vrchat its fine

i recommend soem tricks to maximize performance with quest 3

if you are on wireless use Steam Link if you are on wired use OculusKiller

[hollow zenith]

yup!

[weak bluff]

you can also use dynamic resolution so it automatically downgrade graphics when you run out of VRAM or go up when you can spare it https://github.com/Louka3000/OpenVR-Dynamic-Resolution

[hollow zenith]

thing is, i was one of the early Index users, then my PC decided to tank

oh ty!

[harsh lark]

I want to see VR With Jasmine go against Linus on Beatsaber too! Definitely should be a Beatsaber bracket if Linus invites over a bunch of VR Content Creators 🙂 or him going against them one at a time kinda like he did with people at Whale LAN 🐳

My merch message asking about the ThrillSeeker challenge didn't show up on WAN show. I saw my name briefly that I bought the extended shaft but question didn't show.

Oh well. I suppose if he is going to accept it he should do it in a proper video.

[little plinth]

Doubt 4060 gonna need that

[weak bluff]

Nice to have anyways

[little plinth]

Plus, FFR would be less noticeable

[weak bluff]

If you are willing to have more control on how auto resolution works that is the way

[hollow zenith]

So you think I'll be good stock?

[little plinth]

Depends on the game and resolution

Though i meant in a way that 4060 will run out of processing power before it needs VRAM

[hollow zenith]

Vrchat, low settings, just using it so I can actually have playspace mods n yeah

[little plinth]

You can do max in vrchat settings easily

[hollow zenith]

Oh you think?

[little plinth]

The heaviest part of VR is the resolution

[hollow zenith]

Yeah im probably just gonna be running quest 3 so idk

[little plinth]

When i had my 3060 i run vrchat at max, 2120x2120 resolution per eye

[hollow zenith]

Quest 3 with a cable/steam link haven't decided

Thing is, was it a 3060 mobile?

[little plinth]

3060 desktop

The 4060 mobile should be as powerful

[hollow zenith]

Sounds perfect

Well when my pc does get here, I might need help setting up playspace mods If you know about that?

[weak bluff]

What playscape mods?

What are you trying to modify

[rustic garnet]

isnt this already built into the render pipeline for almost all vr games

[weak bluff]

Yes as mentioned in the repository

[hollow zenith]

Bit rusty but yk when ppl grab the air and move? That 🤣

[weak bluff]

That is OVR Advanced Settings

[weak bluff]

Sorry no this is something beyond that

[hollow zenith]

Is it easy to set up?

[weak bluff]

Yes but I hate using it because everytime i drag my PC lags

[hollow zenith]

Ahh

Bleh

[weak bluff]

And i cant close it once i enable it unless i restart SteamVR

[hollow zenith]

Ahh ooay

[little plinth]

OXR toolkit would be better

[hollow zenith]

Got it, so should be pretty basic for my autistic brain to figure out

🤣

[little plinth]

kek

btw, how do i check gpu/cpu bound here

my dcs reaching like 75ish

VD medium, 3080ti

[weak bluff]

there is the new Intel tool that can do that

Intel PresentMon

https://game.intel.com/story/intel-presentmon/

you can watch youtube videos explainign how PresentMon works

[hazy widget]

Should I get the Pimax crystal or vajro aero?

[junior raven]

PresentMon is also part of the current versions of HWiNFO too for anyone who uses that as well.

[cedar belfry]

Quest 2 was the worst thing I've ever purchased.

Software is so bad, I'm using third party apps to bypass their own software
Tracking is shit (sometimes)
Stuttering
oh not to mention, it takes 3, maybe 4 restarts of devices and software because it either

opens steamvr but does not load on the headset
opens steamvr and loads on the headset without audio
doesn't work at all
oculus app doesn't close to restart
random disconnects

and before someone says jUsT swITch tO sTanDaLoNE, no, I won't. I refuse to support a company who makes so much money but can't update their shitty software and make it more optimised, and I WILL NOT buy anything from the store because I don't wish for a game that I buy to be locked to that specific hardware line

[weak bluff]

try Steam Link

you seem to be minority because majority have it work or use 3rd party

we have no choice at this price point anyways

[little plinth]

Pico 4

People keep forgetting quest 2 isn't the only option

[weak bluff]

haha pico 4 without VD sucks in software as well

Pico is struggling because of political issue

[warm stirrup]

Holy hell finally someone says something

This is why I sold mine lmaoo

[weak bluff]

i sold mine too but turns out i bought something that is bad in different way

[haughty thistle]

The Varjo has better Eye Tracking and can easily fit glasses/lens inserts while the Crystal has built-in audio and slightly larger vertical FOV. Between the two I'd say there's no clear winner, just what you value more ig
What I defo should mention is that for the Crystal, it requires a battery in the back and that bat needs to be charged for the headset to function at all. It rill run about 8 hours between charges, and yes, that's with the headset plugged into a PC running PCVR... (the Aero has no bat at all)

[rustic garnet]

is pimax still known for unreliable software/drivers?

[haughty thistle]

They apparently improved, but still nowhere near what you might find from other companies

tl;dr, it's still jank

[weak bluff]

someone rewrote own software to avoid pimax even

https://vxtwitter.com/hyblocker/status/1718369594451128740?s=20

[rustic garnet]

that's just crazy

[hollow zenith]

anyone here play MFS/War Thunder VR? if so is it any good?

[honest sphinx]

I've played a good bit of War Thunder sim battles with my Rift CV1 when I used to use it and I liked it.

[hollow zenith]

You think an rtx 4060 mobile could pull it off?

[honest sphinx]

idk probably
↙️ FOUND YOU

[late star]

find me

[visual parrot]

would an htc vive OG be worth at 250 aud

headset, controllers, basestations

Ive already got a HP Reverb g2

[sour quartz]

Chances are, probably
Ik my 1650ti laptop could handle boneworks (well enough to play at least)

[weak bluff]

slightly too expensive

better mix it with other not for use htc vive

getting used to high end and go back will give you very noticable screendoor effect

[true forge]

Hello.

For anyone who's interested, Rec Room (one of the most popular VR games) is currently giving away three Meta Quest 3s! Oh how fitting... 🤓

https://recroom.com/giveaway

[true forge]

They're only available in Europe and East Asia though. So only an option for some.

[true forge]

Out of curiosity, what third party apps are you using? I'm getting a Quest 2 for Christmas.

[little plinth]

importing is an option

i live in south east asia where pico isn't officially sold

[true forge]

If one is willing to pay for the import fees, fair enough.

I'm in Canada, and I just found that the Pico 4 is being sold on Newegg CA from the official Pico store for $600. 😬

Shipping from Hong Kong.

[little plinth]

newegg isn't the only option

i got mine for only 330

[true forge]

Where? USD, right?

[little plinth]

330USD

you can use shit like aliexpress

where shipping isn't total scam

[true forge]

I literally just saw a bunch of Aliexpress listings when I looked at the Google shopping search tab.

Also, I would imagine Aliexpress purchases ship quickly to you, given where you're located. Lol.

[little plinth]

2 weeks

but i got mine from a local seller who imports them

bypassing shipping time

[true forge]

Ah, that makes sense. The two weeks shipping time doesn't to me though. However, I'm not familiar enough with Asian geography to gauge the distances from region to region, so what do I know? 🤷‍♂️

[cedar belfry]

OculusKiller

[rustic garnet]

If you already have a g2 i dont think it's a good enough price

Unless you really want lighthouse or something

that's kinda the only point a vive wins i would say

and oled too but they're lower resolution with more screen door

And being native steamvr but the g2 was kind of built with the knowledge that not a soul was using the wmr launcher lol

[haughty thistle]

*way lower resolution

The OG Vive has some of the worst SDE, even worse then the Rift CV1, which had the same resolution...

A solid pure red or blue will look more like blue or red dots, rather then a coherent color. It's that bad (for red and blue that is, green isn't as bad given that there's twice as many green subpixels then blur or red)

[hollow zenith]

Need help

So when I load into steam through virtual desktop

And open vrchat

Everything is clear

As in

Transparent

What's going wrong?

[weak bluff]

you launched vrchat in desktop mode?

or have passthrough?

[little plinth]

did an fov test

got 105hfov on the pico

about right

[hollow zenith]

does ovr advanced settings have any noclip feature so i can go through the floor and not get my feet stuck in it lol

[cedar belfry]

no, that's on the verge of being considered a hack

there might be other apps like ovras

[weak bluff]

slimevr have that

but you can only use it with slimevr

best way is to probably use OVR Advanced Settings and fix yourself from clipping

[worldly dagger]

can anyone help me i cant get skyrim vr to launch in vr mode

[weak bluff]

right click then change this option

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1736579093015990467?s=20

iz not VR iz spacial computing

remember when people called it iWatch instead of Apple watch

[sullen linden]

Iwatch

[weak bluff]

even comedy skit of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cux9T9wvERs&pp=ygUPY2FsbCBpdCBpIHdhdGNo

now: Call it VR and we'll kill you

[little plinth]

AVP technologies are certainly impressive though
even when i look at the occlusion detection

miles ahead in quality compared to Q3
but of course AVP is $3500

[sullen linden]

🧙

[little plinth]

but tbf most of those costs are on the displays iirc

still apple takes like over 100% margin

[haughty thistle]

From what I've heard Apple is the only company to have ever gotten even remotely close to the quality of pass-through that Varjo is offering on their XR-Series. Tho even Apple is not quite there yet with realtime reflections of the environment on virtual objects and whatnot. But for being standalone it's damn' impressive

[weak bluff]

I want Apple make things so cheaper alternative gets made

[little plinth]

and varjo xr-series price makes apple look like a philantrope

[haughty thistle]

I mean... the XR-4 is not too far off from Apple's pricing. Besides they're focusing on B2B, where money is often no object if it means they can get things done...

[little plinth]

does the XR-4 no longer require subscription

[weak bluff]

i think that is called Varjo Aero

[haughty thistle]

Nope. The Aero was the first to not require a subscription and the XR-4 continues that. No sub needed. It's 4k and your done

[rustic garnet]

Apple has always been trying to get their products percieved as magical or extraordinary when in reality it's just a computer

[sick fiber]

is oculus 2 the best and cheapest entry level headset?

[little plinth]

without a PC?

not the cheapest, but definitely the bare minimum

Quest 1s are dead

[sick fiber]

with pc

just always connected

[little plinth]

with PC you can go as cheap as some used Oculus Rift CV1s going for like 150

[sick fiber]

will it work in vr chat?

[little plinth]

any headset that can connect to a pc can

of course, an actual vr headset

something like those shitty vrboxes and google cardboard can technically connect to the pc

but i don't think it'll work

[sick fiber]

hm
can't find oculus rift cv1 locally

anything else you can suggest? because oculus 2 is like extremely overpriced

[little plinth]

how much

[sick fiber]

~500$

yeah.

[little plinth]

if you live in a place where Q2s go for that high
not much hope tbh

can you check how much a pico 4 cost

[sick fiber]

380$

[little plinth]

get it

[sick fiber]

oki

[little plinth]

still above msrp but

[sick fiber]

better

[little plinth]

you can't get better than that for PCVR

it's closer to Quest 3 for PCVR

than it is to quest 2

[sick fiber]

oh good
pico4 then better

you need cable as well?

[little plinth]

there are few options

regular old 3.0 cable works

you can also use a 5GHz wifi router

or an ethernet cable

when using it, i suggest buying this app called virtual desktop in the VR headset store (not steam)

[sick fiber]

i have like 5m Ethernet cable

[little plinth]

you will need a ethernet to usbc adapter if you wanna use it

they should be pretty cheap

[sick fiber]

yup

so thank you, friend

[little plinth]

there is an alternative called Reverb G2
if you can find it below 500 it would be better in image quality

though some people in here has complained about WMR being a piece of shit before

WMR being the software used to operate the G2

Stands for windows mixed reality

[stark pebble]

Should I buy the oculus quest 2 for 250?

[sick fiber]

this is a deal lol

[sick fiber]

reverb is 1200$

[little plinth]

yeah as expected

it's often recommended here
but you will never get a good deal outside the US

same with used Rift headsets

[sick fiber]

yeah
especially in russia lol

[little plinth]

no wonder pico is much cheaper than the quest 2

probably some bs sanction keeping the quest 2 from importing since it is an american product afterall

while pico is chinese

[sick fiber]

oh makes sense

then probably can find it cheaper on AliExpress

yup
350$

[little plinth]

there's still shipping

long shipping time

and possibility of items being lost

i'd stick to buying locally if the difference is small

[sick fiber]

i had ordered from ali before
it is good

also locally is also from china

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 is the best value right now

but Meta seems wont make it top value for long

[lilac quartz]

Until my Quest 3 gets here, a Quest 2 is still part of my mobile VR pack out.

[strange escarp]

I'm building my own mixed reality headset, does anyone have some words of wisdom

[weak bluff]

Please open source if you make original design

That is it

[limber mist]

quest 2 sucks

[warm stirrup]

Yes

[limber mist]

every time i try to even connect it to my pc i get issues

then when i disconnect i still get stuttering problems

might just save for an index atp

[amber sleet]

might be ur pc itself

or the cable

[limber mist]

general device problem:

[amber sleet]

oh

i mean i have the quest 3 and it runs without any issues on pcvr

[limber mist]

yeah im sick of cockulus

[fallow burrow]

hey ive got some questions

im on the fence about what to buy; should I get the quest 3 or bigscreen? I have a 5k+ pc, and I intend to use it while in vr. Budget isnt a factor. Is it worth waiting 3+ months for bigscreen? or should I just go with a quest 3?

[weak bluff]

Either is great

Do you want flexible wireless headset that can run without pc if you want sometimes, maybe even keyboard passthrough so you can work with keyboard, have access to great Meta exclusive games and not being wired? Go Quest 3

Do you not mind being wired, have one of if not best in class colour and deep blacks, most comfortable headset (5x lighter and almost no front sag or turning slow) great tracking and dont mind base station? Go BB

[haughty thistle]

The BSB is prolly the best HMD one can buy for PCVR right now, and that is factoring in headsets much higher priced like the Varjo XR-4. You just can't beat the light-weight, small form factor, and especially OLED...

Besides it sits at a screen resolution that is basically the sweet spot for the tech we currently have (around 30ppd). It's the point where screen door effect starts to no longer be visible, while also not requiring a theoratical RTX 7090 to run xD

[little plinth]

the only thing missing is wireless

before it becomes the ultimate headset

though maybe not in a few years

[gloomy crater]

I appreciate the Beyond for what it does for the PCVR landscape, but it just isn't the headset for me. I just can't get over having all the features it has yet still having the horrible glare that older headsets are prone to. If only it had aspheric lenses I'd probably never want to use anything different, but that's the one thing I refuse to go without. Instead, I'm holding out for the VR1 still. A bunch of reviewers got flown out to Prague to get some hands on time with it so hopefully those early reviews will be out in the next two months, and then orders should finally open up and start shipping in April

Also, turns out there's a guy on github keeping track of development claims and timelines on the VR1 for anyone interested in the project: https://blekenbleu.github.io/XR/VR1.html

[weak bluff]

RIP WMR https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/s/XiSd46P6XU

[haughty thistle]

Oh wow. That's uhh... not great. Yaay for more eWaste I guess 😭

[weak bluff]

PLEASE open source it microsoft PLEASE

[haughty thistle]

I'll be honest, slap a Vive tracker on a Reverb G2 and you got a pretty sweet upgrade from the Index, but I guess sooner or later it won't even work at all which sucks...

[weak bluff]

or donate to OpenHMD they are trying to reverse engineer it to make it work but so far they only have 3DOF working iirc

[haughty thistle]

Either that or at least allow for a Legacy driver to make it still usable in SteamVR. They don't need to keep carrying on the stupid WMR portal, but they should at least keep the ability to use WMR hardware in SteamVR...

[weak bluff]

everything should be OpenHMD so stuff liek this does not happen man

yes only 3DOF supported

also looks like they may be able to get CV1 working so it wont need Oculus Software

it will live forever

with this i cannot recommend HP Reverb anymore

[haughty thistle]

Exactly. Can't recommend something that is known to become eWaste in the near future...

[little plinth]

rip

[weak bluff]

Forget OpenHMD Monado is working on it and they are active https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFztaEu9Eo

[gloomy crater]

Wow that really sucks. WMR has been a massive pain, but it's still better than having such a promising headset just becoming completely nonfunctional

[worthy lance]

Hey, is anyone that plays beatsaber interested in testing out a WIP map I am working on? Just finished mapping and I would like a little help making sure my mapping is good.

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/Realmlist/status/1737810582776975688/photo/1

https://docs.realmlist.eu/tutorials/retaining-windows-mixed-reality-support-on-windows-11

[grizzled field]

NOOOO 😭 . RIP Reverb. And an F U to Microsoft, good lord I hate that stupid company

[warm stirrup]

Wait so is the reverb unusable?

[haughty thistle]

Not yet, but can't really recommend it anymore

Looks like the Late 2024 Win11 update will remove WMR support, meaning if you wanna continue using that hardware you'll have to stick to older versions of Windows, plus downloads of the WMR supplementary software (which Windows will only install during the initial WMR setup and is required for using WMR) will be shut down towards the end of 2026. Meaning that you can continue using the hardware, as long as you keep a System with the Win11 2023 update around, and have installed the full WMR software before 2026...

[spring ruin]

is a third party implementation impossible?

[weak bluff]

There are some ways to continue to use it one of the ways is to stop getting Windows Feature update before WMR is removed meanign you only get security update for your safety while not geting new features which is same situation as Windows 10 nowadays only security update no feature update

stopping feature update will keep your PC secure with security update but you wont get new feature and the update lenght of security update for specific version of windows is shorter than the OS version lifetime

[haughty thistle]

There's a slim chance tho that the current version of Win11 will stop getting security updates before the last version of Win10 is gonna stop getting security updates. Just saying

[weak bluff]

there is already history of that happening

specific example like Windows 10 version 1903 released in May 2019 will lose security update in December 8th 2020

so assuming you try to hold on to specific version it may still get security update a year after or Windows 11 end of life which ever comes first

windows 10 i believe will continue to be able to use WMR for life but you should only use it until 2025

[little plinth]

How do i deal with beat saber muscle sore.
I practiced the hell of a certain 6.8NPS map 2 days ago and still hurts today lmao

[weak bluff]

You seems to fail to do the first thing before any workout needed

Warm up your body

Next time twist and swing your arm before working out

[little plinth]

Yepp

[gloomy crater]

Me when cirno's perfect math class on quantum physics difficulty

[sullen linden]

Blade and sorcery runs like ass

[bleak laurel]

is the valve index still worth getting?

for a solid decent vr experience

[weak bluff]

only as used

at $500

[bleak laurel]

hmm

argentina here

so prices are a tough one

[lament sedge]

Is it worth to buy a second hand 250 euro quest 3 of of fbmp pictures look fine and guy has 11 5 start reviews

[little plinth]

even then it's questionable if it's worth it

i don't own Q3 nor index but going of the large number of people who said Q3 is a leap compared to index despite compression index might not be worth it

at the same price the Q3 is definitely better overall

[soft hound]

However, the base stations and the controllers alone are worth that much
I'd say it's definitely worth it at $500, especially if they don't already have base stations and whatnot, as it gets into the ecosystem that a lot of other headsets depend on

[tidal portal]

unless you have a hard on for lighthouse ecosystem, dont buy index

[wind sundial]

Should I use air link for my quest 2 if I have shifty internet, even if I buy the p2p thing

I get an average of 8mbps on my wifi

I cant use the cable as I wouldn't be able to play pcvr games that require movement as I have a very small room

[weak bluff]

internet speed does not matter for wireless VR

what matters is how good your router is

[wind sundial]

So would the P2P device be the best option for me

[weak bluff]

you mean peer to peer?

[wind sundial]

Yes

[weak bluff]

its not correct to call it peer to peer since it is just 2 device

[wind sundial]

That's what meta's site says

[weak bluff]

all you need to know is

a good router with the most optimal specs

the most optimal is
Quest 2 > Wi-fi 6 > Router > ethernet > PC

[wind sundial]

Oof

[weak bluff]

anddddd

your router must have gigabit or 10/100/1000 specs

[wind sundial]

My router is wifi 3 💀

[weak bluff]

dont even bother it is unplayable with that old spec

you can buy a new dedicated router

[wind sundial]

https://www.meta.com/quest/accessories/d-link-vr-air-bridge/

Like this?

Oh no I'm supid

God by the time I get airline set up ima have nothing for games lol

[weak bluff]

its one way but an expensive way

i prefer just normal router

my favourite must be this mini travel router https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005005454569269.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.15.31621b19nPGN5V&algo_pvid=93df2b6c-6353-48ff-84cc-233ac0b0ffe5&algo_exp_id=93df2b6c-6353-48ff-84cc-233ac0b0ffe5-7&pdp_npi=4%40dis!VND!4664767!1912545.0!!!192.44!!%402101c5c217035718387946088e1601!12000033146011732!sea!VN!2926113275!AB&curPageLogUid=Kdd0Px1v29qQ

[wind sundial]

Wait do I need this for airlink

[weak bluff]

that is one way but not only way

any wi-fi router that connects to your PC can do

[wind sundial]

I see

[wind sundial]

So if I set this up as an access point and Yada Yada I should be good

[weak bluff]

there can be several ways to use it along

access point is a way

you can always use it as a powerful wifi adapter that doubles as wireless vr device

it can receive wifi or receive internet from ethernet and connect it to your pc

i use it as access point

[wind sundial]

My router is on the other floor of the house

So do I need a direct connection to the main router if it's an access point

[weak bluff]

in that case you can run it as repeater or extender

you can configure router to catch other wifi and repeat it under different wifi whiel passing internet

[wind sundial]

So if I ran it as, that, it should be good for airlink

[weak bluff]

regardless, all option will run you air link best

different modes will differ internet speed mostly which wont affect air link especially with this router being powerful enough

[wind sundial]

I need to use aliexpress more

[weak bluff]

sorry forget that link

ordewr from manufaturer website instead

https://store.gl-inet.com/collections/travel-ac-router/products/beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-wi-fi-6-wireless-travel-gigabit-router

also dont use Air Link use Steam link instead

[bleak laurel]

for starters, what should i get as far as vr goes? interested in having the most features and hopefully being future proof

[wind sundial]

Lmao it has a $25 coupon on amazon

[weak bluff]

easy if you want to max what you can run get Quest 3

and a gaming pc

and a good router

[bleak laurel]

would a mikrotik hap ac^2 do it?

[weak bluff]

yes

not best but it works as long there is no local network lock

[bleak laurel]

i see

[cedar belfry]

Mine is like this

main home router (don’t use) > gig ethernet to my own router (ddwrt) > wifi 5 to quest + gig ethernet to pc

My data width is 40/80Mbps which helps

[sour quartz]

Personally when i use steam link (have to use since airlink gives up) i have a 2.4g connection from both my pc and q2 to a wifi extender

I have to do this tho because the 5g signal isn't strong enough to get through the brick wall in between my setup and the router

And im too lazy (and cheap) to do anything else

[stoic cypress]

https://fxtwitter.com/VRChat/status/1740424653372277000

I have a feeling that this year's VRC NYE Square is gonna go REALLY hard

it looks like they're REALLY doubling down on the communicty content in the world this year which makes me SUPER happy

[weak bluff]

hAve you been to previous NYE event

it always was big

[oak sphinx]

Would the oculus rift CV1 be worth buying as a first-time VR user? Or should i try and go for a quest 2

[weak bluff]

aactually yes I'f its like $100

and upgrading from it will make you pleasant

[pliant topaz]

im looking for a milsim game on the quest 2

[oak sphinx]

Its 800 Danish kroner

So its 118 USD @weak bluff

[rustic garnet]

Yes

[oak sphinx]

Alright thanks for answer

[weak bluff]

That is fine

[patent flume]

so my quest 2 just straight up froze the physical power button is doing nothing sound is still there and I can still move my hands but thats it my view is not moving with my head either

[weak bluff]

Hopefully it can start again after battery gets drained

There is also hard reset button combo

[patent flume]

what is it?

[weak bluff]

Its a factory reset https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TynTpZbSnTM

[sour quartz]

if you hold down the power button and volume down button while its on, then it should go into bios mode or whatever, then you can factory reset from there

[patent flume]

I tried to doing that held it for 2 mins still froze

This happened while I was testing the xbox gaming app...

[sour quartz]

huh

okay

just gotta wait for it to go flat then ig

[weak bluff]

Guess wait for battery to drain

[brave wharf]

Hey yall! I kind of have a problem with my quest 2. So, I've been trying to get into pcvr since there is simply more content. I've used a few different pieces of software to accomplish this but I'm not quite happy with the performance I'm getting.

Here's what I have tried:
Virtual Desktop: Potato quality makes games run buttery smooth, but with terrible graphics. Anything higher then potato and there is lots of latency to the point where it hurts to look.
Steam Link: Pretty smooth, not as good as VD but quality could be better.
Quest Link using Oculus Software: Cannot even get it to work, tried different cables, different ports, usb power things, etc. and it cannot get it to work or even launch. Just the three dots infinitely.

My PC is up to the task it has R7 7700x, RTX 3060, 32GB 6000 RAM

Help? / Suggestions?

I feel that some sort of cable solution would be better for me since my internet is a tmobile base station with a dedicated google home router

[weak bluff]

What wifi setup do you have?

You might want to buy a dedicated wifi router just for wireless vr

Get a setup that connects router to PC via ethernet cable and it does not need to have internet in that dedicated router

[brave wharf]

so I could just take any wifi router and connect it directly to my pc, (no connection to my isp) then connect my quest and pc together using VD?

[weak bluff]

Yes

That is actually the most optimal way to do it

[brave wharf]

ill give it a shot

[weak bluff]

To max out Quest 2 get a Wi-Fi 6 router that connects ethernet to PC

You can use router as a wifi receiver as well

If you want something mobile and efficient i recommend this https://store.gl-inet.com/collections/gl-mt3000-beryl-ax-wi-fi-6-travel-router/products/beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-wi-fi-6-wireless-travel-gigabit-router

[brave wharf]

id say there was quite an improvement I was able to get to medium @120fps which is all my system can handle. And it was buttery smooth, thanks!

[pale orbit]

https://old.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/18varel/praydogs_game_changing_uevr_mod_looks_to_release/

[pale orbit]

the mod has released

[pale orbit]

https://reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/18vhg3c/praydogs_free_uevr_public_beta_is_now_available/

[dense current]

I know VR and AR are different but this seemed like the best place to ask, Does anyone have thoughts on the Xreal Air 2 Pros? Most of the videos i've been finding have been sponsored

[iron dew]

thank you

[weary bramble]

so i have an HP reverb G2

i don't think i could afford switching away immediately but thankfully the execution date for WMR is expected to be in december

[weak bluff]

halt feature update then you can last like a year more

[weary bramble]

i was thinking of a two-stage transition tho—first by getting index controllers and base stations, and then switching to a steamVR headset; i'm particular to the bigscreen beyond specifically

[weak bluff]

while waiting some people are working for mod to make it work

yeah that works

[weary bramble]

ya

it's a nice headset but i see the next generation is here and the upgrades i think are worth it

but if there's one thing i want to upgrade right now it's the controllers GOD i hate the G2 stock controllers

also i do use a lot of apple products but

1. i definitely do not have $5000 CAD, which is what $3500 USD would translate into
2. a lot about the vision pro on the software side is a bit too much of an unknown variable—we don't know what kind of app ecosystem it's going to have, or if it'll even be good for actual VR gaming since it lacks controllers

[gloomy crater]

I also have a G2, and I just really hope that a headset like the Bigscreen Beyond but with VR1/Index FOV and refresh rate, a wigig module, and without the horrible glaring issues the BB has comes out before I have to worry about upgrading.

[weary bramble]

what horrible glaring issues? just wanna make sure there isn't anything about it i missed

[gloomy crater]

It's not an issue most people have to worry about. I have a bad sensitivity to the glare that pretty much all fresnel or pancake lenses in VR headsets are prone to, and it was especially bad on the Bigscreen Beyond demo I was able to do recently. Linus' review for the headset does a pretty good job of summarizing it for normal people, it's something that's there but that your brain will eventually filter out through continous use of the headset. My issue is that my brain doesn't do that, the glare is always present and is incredibly distracting. So the only headsets I can really use without this being an issue are ones with Aspheric lenses, which pretty much do away with the glare because of how they're constructed.

[weary bramble]

aaaaah gotcha

[gloomy crater]

I was excited for the Somnium VR1 for a while, because it has similar specs to the Varjo Aero, including HUGE fov, resolution, aspheric lenses, eye tracking for dynamic foveated rendering, etc. and would actually work on my GPU unlike the Aero. But when they released the weight (it's heavier than a valve index), size (bigger than a quest 1), and price (4x the cost of the bigscreen beyond headset alone) it pretty much killed my enthusiasm for it. So now I just kinda wait while bearing with the G2 I have currently. Oddly enough, I do feel like the G2's higher resolution helps with the glare I perceive over what I remember from my index.

[weary bramble]

the displays are definitely what i have the least to complain about with the G2—minimal screendooring and good colour accuracy; since it's my first PC VR headset, i don't even notice the lack of true blacks

i could definitely complain about the lenses tho—the fresnel sweetspots are so small and i can never seem to land them; i'm basically just permanently farsighted with the G2

which is weird since i'm nearsighted irl

tho i did get an eye test in may and the opthamologist did tell me my IPD; since then i've had a slightly better time with it

[gloomy crater]

The thing I noticed from the Bigscreen Beyond demo I did, the OLED displays they used are really good at true blacks. The low brightness isn't as much of an issue as one would assume because there's next to no light in there anyway so it seems bright by comparison, and the glare happened mainly when passing colored objects in front of backgrounds of a contrasting color

[weary bramble]

ya it's an HDR kind of thing

[gloomy crater]

My IPD is near the upper range of all the headsets I've used so it can be a pain not having it line up yeah

[weary bramble]

the way humans perceive brightness is relative, so when the BSB just blacks out everything but its own screens, then the brightest the screens can be is the brightest you can perceive

i'm actually watching thrillseeker's review as we speak and he just made the exact same point i did LMAO

[gloomy crater]

IPD might be the other reason I didn't really like the Beyond. It's supposed to fit your head alone, but the demo unit I used had its IPD fixed at like, 4mm smaller than my actual measurement, and they had a bunch of facial gaskets to choose from but none of them fit my head exactly so I had to hold the sides against my face to get it to seal fully lol. The booth I was at was using it as a demo of different OLED display technologies for both VR and flat screen applications. When I told the guy I chose a MiniLED VA panel for my main monitor over an OLED one because I didn't want my screen to get burn in, he rolled his eyes dramatically lol

[gloomy crater]

this is also me rn as well. Going from the index controllers to the G2 stock controllers is akin to torture. the things we do for family amirite

[weary bramble]

this is my review of the G2 stock controllers

this concludes my review of the G2 stock controllers

[gloomy crater]

yeppers

has the audacity of using two batteries but has worse tracking than the quest controllers which use 1 each

[weary bramble]

the worst of both worlds! :)

[gloomy crater]

and also they creak like a mf

[weary bramble]

and this might just be me and my particular way of holding controllers but in beat saber in particular i keep accidentally hitting the pause button

[gloomy crater]

I actually disabled the functionality of the windows button hotkey on the controllers using regedit bc I knew it would be an issue before I even started using them

[weary bramble]

oh no, not the windows buttons; just the normal menu buttons

[gloomy crater]

those ones I don't have a problem with, it's just the windows buttons that are right where my thumbs normally sit

[weary bramble]

it's because when playing beat saber my left thumb sits to the left of the analog stick on the left controller

so my thumb's knuckle is right by the menu button

[gloomy crater]

Ah yeah. that's one thing the index controllers do well, the big touch sensor in the middle does nothing in beatsaber so it's a great place to put your thumbs and not have to worry about pushing anything by accident

[weary bramble]

ya

i think i end up holding the controllers that way too because it's hard for me to get a good grip on them

[gloomy crater]

they are both very small and very weirdly shaped. I'm also not a huge fan of big tracking rings, I have bad memories of smacking them off of things from my oculus days. at least it makes a good place to set them down on I guess

Dang it's 2am I should go to sleep. my sister's new base station should be here in like 8-10 hours and I gotta go over there to help her mount everything and troubleshoot her new setup. That's how I ended up with the G2, we traded headsets. We just needed to order a new base station before she could have my index kit bc the old one got toasted. I'll figure out how I'm gonna get them mounted to her wall when I wake up I guess.

Night all

[weary bramble]

yaya gnight!!

[lavish parrot]

Hay I need some serious help with my PCVR it should run, but it doesn’t. I wish I could talk to Linus or someone from that group or someone that even specializes in PCVR because that would be much grateful. As someone who is training to be a world champion in onward I really need help

If anyone can help me dm me

[haughty thistle]

First question: what hardware you're trying to run in PCVR?

Specifically what headset and in the case of the Quest specifically what means of connection?

• Link via cable
• AirLink
• ALVR
• Virtual Desktop
• Steam Link

[lavish parrot]

Link cable airlink and virtual desktop

[haughty thistle]

Were there any errors thrown, or did it just not connect? Virtual Desktop requires you to set up your Meta Username in the PC software to connect btw (in case that was the issue)
Both AirLink and VD require a really good 5GHz/6GHz Wifi setup with as few devices on the same wifi as possible

[lavish parrot]

Nothing seems to flag up to me like nothing comes up when I load it up it looks fine but when you try to play a pc Vr game it is so laggy and crashy it’s like 1fps

[haughty thistle]

Did it used to work, or just never worked properly? What GPU you have btw, and what Driver Version?

[lavish parrot]

And my pc is not exactly slow it’s one of the fastest in the world

3 4090S water cooled amd 9 latest gen 128 gigs of ram running at 6000 megatranfirs a second it’s quick

Very quick

[lavish parrot]

How do I install drivers because I have never done it before

I no what it is

It’s just fking hard

I use the domanter ram as well

It’s in rad 1

[haughty thistle]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/
Put in the specs of your GPU there and click on start search and you can download the driver. What I suspect what happened is that you might be running the Windows Basic Display driver. It's good enough to get a picture on screen, but can't really game...

[lavish parrot]

Thank you

[haughty thistle]

Make sure to download the desktop game-ready driver and not the one for Notebooks

[lavish parrot]

Ok I need to go into a match in onword be 1H

[weak bluff]

i don't think Linus himself can help you xd

[weak bluff]

did you just say 3 4090s?

multi gpu may not play nice for gaming

[lavish parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/cicak-goyang-gif-25298070

Yes

[weak bluff]

i wonder if there was an issue with multi gpu behaviour

i also want to know how encoding happened

[lavish parrot]

Raid 1

[weak bluff]

since you have a quest headset you must encode video before it gets send to the headset

[lavish parrot]

? I use the oclous app

[weak bluff]

this creates extra room for error the game may run well but video quality may run bad

yes

[lavish parrot]

So it’s not needed because that does it all ready

[weak bluff]

no what i mean is

if the encoding lets say your game is runnign on one 4090 and your encoding for some reason on other 4090

it may cause issue

idk why you have such setup but 3 4090 may have caused some unnecessary issues and more room for error

you should try out Steam Link to bypass Oculus software

[lavish parrot]

It’s for 3 things video game creation and nas

[lavish parrot]

That runs so bad it’s unplayable

[weak bluff]

but you said every method runs bad right?

[lavish parrot]

Yea but steam will not even run

[weak bluff]

so after installign drivers did any method works?

[lavish parrot]

No and same problem with my all amd pc as well

It runs fine when making games

[weak bluff]

does it only lags when you run a game or it lags in steam home/oculus home as well

[lavish parrot]

Only in Vr

I also have a quatro not to brag

[weak bluff]

yes all i ask is all in vr

[lavish parrot]

Yep

[weak bluff]

so you have 3 4090 or a quadro?

[lavish parrot]

Both

I don’t just do small game development

[weak bluff]

hold on 1 pc at a time you have a pc with ryzen 9 and 3 4090 all in 1 PC correct?

or is it 3 pc with 3 4090?

[lavish parrot]

1 pc with 3 4090S I can confirm

[weak bluff]

and what is the spec of your all amd pc that also have issue

[lavish parrot]

and more than 2 psu’s

[lavish parrot]

One sec let me pull that up

[weak bluff]

one trick to make sure multi gpu is not causing gaming issue is to temporarily disable 2 4090 and leave only 1 4090 running

if that runs normally then its time to force game to run on 1 4090

you can do that by going to Device Manager

then open Display Adaptors

in there should have 3 4090s and AMD Graphics. I don't have those so it only has 1.

disable 2 of 4090s by right click on them and it will remain disabled until you reenable again or until you restart PC

[rustic garnet]

why do you have the literal fastest gaming computer possible without even knowing how to install a driver

[weak bluff]

i should have noticed this person is a troll

[rustic garnet]

"oclous" was when i got convinced lmao

[weary bramble]

some sources are pointing to a january 26 launch for the vision pro

[honest sphinx]

Source: Trust me bro

[weak bluff]

$249 https://www.techradar.com/computing/virtual-reality-augmented-reality/the-oculus-quest-2-gets-another-price-cut-and-its-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-meta-vr-headset

[low plinth]

Me using a rift S:

I ditched my quest since all I do is PCVR

[gloomy crater]

So an experience I had today has made me realize I'm worrying way too much about what I'm gonna get for my next headset

I went over to my sister's to help her install her base stations and stuff, and she was in boneworks testing out the new controllers. She had me hop in the headset to solve a puzzle for her, but insisted I not change her IPD or head strap or anything. I did so, all while walking around and doing stuff in boneworks like I normally would. The lenses were set to ~14mm narrower than my actual eyes, the headstrap was set so small that it only fit over the very top of my head, and I didn't have my prescription lenses, so it looked like garbage, but not once during my time playing did it actually stop me from enjoying the game again after having not played it in a while. Yeah the glare was really distracting like it always is, but it was honestly just overall still an enjoyable experience. And this has made me realize, if I could play in such a state and still have fun, that I've been way too hard on myself about picking the right headset to get. Whatever I do end up getting, it's not gonna matter because I'll still be having fun anyway

[warm stirrup]

Thats kinda like how you don't need to have the best graphics or graphics card to enjoy a game. I played age of empires 4 on my old UHD 630 and it looked like shit but I had fun. The problems with older vr headsets though in regards to glare, comfort, screen door effect, and others would make me use the vr in smaller increments but I'd still enjoy it

[amber sleet]

its weird how a trend just came saying "better graphics = more fun" which just absolutly isnt true

[frail void]

vr would be so much better

if there was more story games

all sandbox games

[formal willow]

consistent and stable game is the most important yeah

[sullen linden]

I can’t wait till I have the money for the big screen beyond

[weak bluff]

sandbox dont need level design duh cheap to make

[opal dew]

It’s the one drawback of HL Alyx: it’s the peak of vr gaming and once you’ve gone through it, nothing lives up to the standard it sets

Nothing has come close to the experience it provides which is a shame

||inb4 someone says Boneworks. That game is a glorified tech demo||

[little plinth]

graphics wise, DCS and MSFS definitely takes the cake

but yeaa those aren't really "VR games"

VR compatible games

[lethal willow]

Wanted to ask if anyone could help me chose a vr headset

[rustic garnet]

ur so real for this

[little plinth]

budget

[rustic garnet]

and like...... The way they demoed the tech just left a sour taste in my mouth

[rustic garnet]

HLA is so not about the graphics i mean sure they look good and do are realistic but the truly revolutionary aspect of the game is how the world interacts with you

[haughty thistle]

Boneworks had at least a proper story. Now Bonelab, that's just a tech-demo on the same engine (with an SDK that barely any uses these days)

[formal willow]

boneworks shows the possibilities vr can do but yeah its story is not incredible

[gloomy crater]

Saying bonelab is a sequel to boneworks is like saying that gmod is a sequel to half life

They serve two totally different purposes. Bonelab is a user generated content utility just like gmod, and should be treated as such

This is gonna be a hot take, but I actually enjoy Boneworks more than half life alyx. It just feels less linear and more open to the player choosing different methods of how to do stuff instead of just following the rails like in hla. And don't even get me started on melee combat. They made a VR game out of a franchise known for hitting people with a crowbar, but didn't add the ability to use melee weapons. Boneworks' melee combat isn't great, but at least it exists

[lethal willow]

1,1k

[weak bluff]

1.1k for both pc and vr or just vr headset (assuming you already have vr capable pc)

[lethal willow]

Just the headset

Have a pretty good pc

Ryzen 9 5900x 32gb ram and rtx 3060

Probably gonna upgrade to a 4060

[rustic garnet]

not really a worthwhile upgrade imo

Especially if you already have the 12gb 3060

[weak bluff]

That is not an upgrade lol

Anyways i say quest 3 is a good option or try to squeeze for bigscreen or varjo aero

[lethal willow]

Aight

Thx guys

[pale oar]

Quest 2 worth it now? My friend is looking for a headset.. he is not really serious about VR and just wants a cool experience. Pico doesn't have good software from what I heard so I think sacrificing hardware for software is ok since it's just for the experience

Any other options I should look at?

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 is indeed worth it especially with new price drop recently

they will last more than 3+ years software updates and support and by end of lifetime there will be good upgrade options

[warm stirrup]

What is the tracking difference between 2 sensors and 4 sensors for rift cv1?

Is it much better to make it worth spending some money on or is it not that much of a difference?

[little plinth]

software experience is decent, the complaint is that pico lacks some games

not that it's pico's fault anyway as meta is the one doing shitty exclusivity like ponystation

[haughty thistle]

I'd say 3 cameras does improve tracking quite a bit, a 4th camera only makes sense if your playspace is larger then 3m on one side...

My recommendation is to place one camera on the floor for better tracking when leaning down, but obv only if you have at least 2 other cameras at chest height or higher

[rustic garnet]

Is 4 cameras even officially supported?

[rustic garnet]

Issue with that is most people's floors are much more cluttered than their walls

unless you have a dedicated vr room ofc but at least me personally i have a playspace in the middle of the room surrounded by all kinds of furniture

which i guess a fourth sensor could also help with, so you get less occluded spots in corners

[haughty thistle]

The software will complain that it isn't, but it works pretty well anyways lol

I'm just saying what worked the best for me, and I got that idea from a video I watched years ago. Basically by putting one camera on the floor you improve the coverage on the floor. Normally there's quite a big blind spot next to every camera towards the floor, and a third sensor further down really helps eliminate these...

You don't have to ofc, a fourth sensor can also help to eliminate these blind spots, just saying that this works better then it should lol

Btw. when it comes to finding blind spots with the CV1 cameras, there's a really cool tool on the Oculus PC store called sensor bounds. It shows you the FOV that each of your cameras have and that way you can more easily find where your tracking is lacking coverage

[rustic garnet]

YES i love sensor bounds so much

i wish i had a bigger space..

[little plinth]

Kat walk

[rustic garnet]

as if 😭😭

[lavish parrot]

Linus were are you

[little plinth]

lel looking at it again PCVR is definitely an expensive hobby

the VR headset itself is cheap, my pico is like 330
but then, i bought VD, the 5G Router, AMVR Interface

then the 3080ti upgrade just for it

the 3060 i used to have was fine for flatscreen

oh also the prescription lense

though i guess the much cheaper games offset it a little compared to standalone

and i get much better graphics and frames

[haughty thistle]

No one ever said that VR was cheap. Far from it. It's more then twice as demanding on the hardware, and in order to not look into a screen door all day, you'd also need to render at much higher resolutions on top of that...

[pale orbit]

https://vxtwitter.com/UploadVR/status/1742908815169691830

[haughty thistle]

I'm honestly surprised VR hardware is even being sold for as cheap as it is, but I guess a lot of it at the low end is offset from game sales on the standalone markets. Optics are probably one of the most expensive parts to develop in a VR headset, and that alone (plus the comparitively low volumes sold still) should raise the price significantly above the normal sales price of even a nice gaming monitor...

[little plinth]

Stadia 2: VR Boogaloo

[little plinth]

Isn't quest 3 sold at near break-even

It's technically above manufacture cost but RND still puts meta at a loss

[haughty thistle]

Pretty sure it's under manufacturing price. Pancake optics especially are very expensive. The Quest Pro wasn't 1.5k just for the Face and Eye Tracking...

[little plinth]

Couple sources estimate 400-470 range

So very small margin

[haughty thistle]

Sure, you could say they're not because the Pico exists, but take a look at the Pico lenses compared to the QP lenses and you know immediatly why it's so much cheaper

[little plinth]

Pico is sold at a loss also

[haughty thistle]

Well, that's just the per-unit cost. You always have to consider the development cost as well...

[little plinth]

Which i said

Above manufacture cost, but RND puts meta on red

I'm probably gonna get a quest 4 when it's a thing

Pico 5 not gonna be a thing and quest 3 is a sidegrade for PCVR

Helping meta hegemony is shitty but no choice ig

Google's headset has a big chance of getting stadia'ed

[haughty thistle]

It's google, it's gonna get googled (aka killed off after just a few years)

Unless it's wildly successfull and basically everyone on earth starts using a thing, Google is gonna kill it off. Just the way of life really. Still mad they got rid of Assistant driving mode. It was basically the Android Auto redesign, but for the phone screen. When they released that they had killed off the dedicated Android Auto app. And now, less then two years later, Assistant Driving mode is gone as well. Now all that's left is just basic Maps navigation, no more specific interface for the car directly on your phone screen <.<

[pale orbit]

the deckard could always come out tomorrow. or in 5 years

no one knows with valve time

[little plinth]

5 years is generous

[haughty thistle]

It got surprisingly quiet about Deckard lately. Not that it means anything ofc, given the recent launch of the Deck OLED...

[little plinth]

Though it's more of a Samsung product

Less chance of getting killed, but Samsung's track record is also, not good.

[haughty thistle]

Valve is extremely good at hiding what they're working on. Outside of stuff they can't control (like Patents), there's basically no chance of us hearing about Deckard unless they want us to...

[little plinth]

The power of privately traded company that treats their employees well

[haughty thistle]

Well, the Hardware maybe, but Google is involved on the Software side, so the OS basis is most definetly a VR optimized Android provided by Google

[little plinth]

Considering it's a partner project i doubt google can kill it without pissing off Samsung

It would require both to agree to kill it

[haughty thistle]

It surely didn't stop Google before

Stadia also wasn't an all-Google project. They had partners on the software side, and Lenovo as their official Dev-Kit partner

[little plinth]

It's a google product with lenovo as support

This is samsung product with Google as support

Still won't trust it

[pale orbit]

yea remeber this thing samsung was working on

[rustic garnet]

this naming is getting plain silly

like usb-if levels of silly

[rustic garnet]

They already killed daydream without fanfare

[little plinth]

primarily a google product

and fanfare isn't exactly same class as samsung

[weak bluff]

that new chip is not VP killer

Samsung is not competing with VP with that chip

why did they even bother redesign for competition

is this one of those look at the spec sheet and they hope no one notice the weak chip

[dull tide]

How’s AMD cards for VR now? Looking to upgrade

[weak bluff]

I used AMD GPU for basically 90% of my VR playtime and it will works fine.

[little plinth]

6000 works fine

7000 has complaints

[weak bluff]

Notable issues I got is:

• When there is driver issue, you may wait for very long time before it gets fixed. The video player crash on VRChat took half a year to get a fix and Radeon 7000 performance issue around as long too.
• Using standalone headset like Quest 2 will have worse encoding quality than Nvidia counterpart especially in H.264 (altho that is improving with driver updates).

[little plinth]

i don't own either cards so no personal experience

[weak bluff]

oh yeah

some new high end headset wont work with AMD at all

[raw grail]

I been using rift s fora few years now
Is the Index 2 worth the wait?
there is no info and i don't want to spend 1500 usd on it

[weak bluff]

ah its the index 2 question again

[raw grail]

Ye im not sure what i should go for lol

[weak bluff]

there is no information whether index 2 will be like so you are not getting a good answer until valve announces it

if you want an Index

buy a good deal like $500

just buy it

[little plinth]

zero information on index 2 to base a purchase decision on

[little plinth]

just get quest 3, pros outweigh cons

[weak bluff]

there is that too

[little plinth]

not to mention many former index now quest 3 owner says the quest 3 makes index look like a blurry window

[raw grail]

I am not getting the quest 3

[weak bluff]

index actually have lower res than quest 2

and lemme tell you my experience downgrading from quest 2 to rift s the screendoor effect is less noticable on quest 2

[little plinth]

and quest 2 is considered shit visually

and rift s is worse than that

[raw grail]

I going for the new gen and quest 3 is nothing i want

[weak bluff]

rift s was a major downgrade i realised that because of its low res i cannot read text on desktop screen anymore

[little plinth]

there is no new gen

pico 5 is dead, index 2 nowhere to be seen

BB is beyond your budget

[raw grail]

I mean headset that are launched this year

[little plinth]

so quest 3

[raw grail]

Never going to buy

[weak bluff]

sure if you want to be one of those xd

this pic needs to be updated

[little plinth]

then you never getting anything

[weak bluff]

its now 2024

[little plinth]

the Quest 3 is miles ahead the competition for its price visually

[raw grail]

Kinda hoped someone had some more info that's all lol

[little plinth]

you're not getting a better deal

[weak bluff]

this year there will be Quest 3 lite if you want that

[little plinth]

it's shit

just quest 2 with better SoC

[raw grail]

Anything quest i will skip

[little plinth]

there isn't really anything

there's pico 4 but that launched 2022 oct

[weak bluff]

if you want the most leak possible then see SadlyItsBradly discord he datamines and even that does not tell the next Valve headset is anywhere close to release lol

its only last year that valve starts hiring OLED expert

and then the Steam Link is like experiment for them

its nowhere near ready

[raw grail]

That's true

[little plinth]

unless you're dumping a lot of money

pico 4 and quest 3 is the only one actually good visually

cause pancake

[weak bluff]

if you need to upgrade currently several option will be quite game changing already

[little plinth]

there's reverb G2 but WMR is going to die

so can't recommend

[raw grail]

That's true but i wont go the quest route as i don't think it's good enough compared to the index 2 from my view

[weak bluff]

you can buy used Index for around $500 and from there upgrade Index to other high end liek Bigscreen beyond or Varjo Aero

check those 2 out

[little plinth]

Quest 3 is just much better overall personally i won't get an index above 400

[raw grail]

Is the bigscreen beyond even good?

It's smal

tiny

[weak bluff]

yep its one of rare OLED and high end

it is also the most comfortable headset

most lightweight major headset

[little plinth]

FoV is lacking if that's your thing

[weak bluff]

its the best to play for long time

i would buy it to sleep in VR

[little plinth]

i forgot QPro is a thing, Q3 just makes it doesn't make sense

[raw grail]

if it's better than rift s i don't mind

[little plinth]

BB will drain you at least 1500

[weak bluff]

at this point a lot of headset is an upgrade to Rift S lol

[little plinth]

base stations, controllers, then BB itself

the headset alone is $1k

[raw grail]

There are alot yes but im very sure if index comes out it will be a very good one
but i kinda wanna know the price for it lol

[weak bluff]

the problem with index is

it is really old

[raw grail]

Well that's not for me then

[weak bluff]

and it is not worth the original $999

its worth half of that

[little plinth]

you're on a budget, you can't be picky

[weak bluff]

thats why i suggest buying used

[little plinth]

the Quest 3 will give the highest fidelity at 500, no other headset competes

[weak bluff]

the index for you will be less about vision quality and more about accessory, ecosystem and controller upgrade

[little plinth]

basestations are dying outside of those super pricy headsets

and they die easily from what i read

as much as i hate zuck, quest 3 is just best value

[weak bluff]

also look at this experimental quest controller finger tracking https://vxtwitter.com/xintechs_vr/status/1739959437077737927?s=20

[soft gulch]

tl;dr: just buy the damn index and be happy

[weak bluff]

YES

[little plinth]

the answer is get quest 3

like i really don't see a merit in the index outside of the slightly lower latency

no compression?
those shitty lenses and display will be more of a problem

not to mention the index will be stuck at one place

cause basestations

[weak bluff]

the best way to recommend for you is: What is your budget

[raw grail]

Might be a good value but i do think the index 2 will be a good one with stuff added to it
But unsure if i should wait for it and save cash
since there are no price tag or anything

[little plinth]

waiting for index 2 is like waiting on half life 3

[weak bluff]

i dont think it will be even called Index 2

its not a spec upgrade

[little plinth]

you could be waiting few months
or maybe 5 years

[weak bluff]

its a brand new product

[little plinth]

most likely standalone

no reason they need to make steam link for experimentation other than that

[weak bluff]

they made Steam Link to learn how to do wireless

[little plinth]

which makes those basestations look even more unattractive

[raw grail]

That's the sad part i don't want to buy a headset now and then 5 months later there are more news about the new headset....

[weak bluff]

well have fun

because valve aint announcing in 5 months

and i am highly confidently so

[little plinth]

or you don't buy a headset now, and not buy for the next 5 years because you keep saying "what if valve announce in the next 5 months"

[raw grail]

that is true but alot of rumors says more info will be added later this year

[little plinth]

valve rumors are usually bullshit

[weak bluff]

saying new valve headset in 5 months will make Bradly snork hopium

[soft gulch]

the valve's seal is pretty good, it does not leak much

[weak bluff]

true

learning from Steam Deck OLED seal

[soft gulch]

valve leaks are usually unavoidable stuff, like having to hire specific roles, or because they want you to know

[weak bluff]

which there was

https://vxtwitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1650104671216836610

if they only started to hire OLED at April 2023

then they aint finishing headset in just a year

[soft gulch]

damn they did the OLED quick then

yeah, I don't see another headset coming this year, unless it's a christmas surprise

or unless they already had most of the other parts of development completed

[weak bluff]

valve isnt the type that rush product

leave them be

wait cough

[soft gulch]

at this rate, half life 3 is going to be game of the century

[rustic garnet]

what does this mean

[rustic garnet]

Can you explain why or do you just have beef with facebook

[rustic garnet]

That's the point