virtual-reality

[rustic garnet]

i wouldn't be speccing gpus like that with the cheapest headset capable of pcvr

[restive zodiac]

I also want to use it for 4k gaming of course

But vr is the main priority

[indigo sequoia]

I am so torn at either picking right now a valve index or waiting and ordering a bigscreen beyond

It's so much more expensive but will make such a big difference 😦

[restive zodiac]

If you can afford it the weight alone seems appealing to me

[indigo sequoia]

I can, but should I ?

[restive zodiac]

I honestly almost got a heart attacking by just checking up how much this thing will cost with controllers

[sullen linden]

so far just seems I’m sol for using the quest as a pcvr headset

can’t do wireless can’t do wired

I don’t think there’s a third option

[rustic garnet]

Why cant you

[indigo sequoia]

I already have base stations and vive wands so eh

Even if wands are terrible

[sullen linden]

terrible wifi and the oculus desktop software refuses to consistently work no matter what I do

[rustic garnet]

get a separate wifi ap

[rancid kestrel]

Well this is cool.

Let's get some heavy metal. 🤞

[sterile coyote]

Do a direct tech spec comparison

And add in the fact it will be custom fit to your face so you won’t have light leak

If weight matters to you factor that in as well

[indigo sequoia]

OLED vs not OLED
Bad resolution vs pretty good
Better performance vs probably going to be horrible to run DCS lmao
Not comfy vs super comfy
Not light vs light
1/2 price vs expensive
Already available vs huge wait time
Will give me knuckles vs having to buy them separately
Glare vs uh glare but different lmao

I mean at this point it's just a question of whether or not I have the balls and willingness to buy and wait 😦

[sterile coyote]

The big screen beyond is oled

2560 x 2560 per eye

Very nice imo

[indigo sequoia]

Yes that's what I was saying

The ballsiest move is to buy the valve kit AND beyond at the same time
Have the index while waiting
Sell the index when beyond comes but keep the knuckles

[sterile coyote]

The only thing that might suck is the fov is worse

[indigo sequoia]

Should be okay with the update on the fov

[sterile coyote]

If you are willing to do that and waste some money for convenience and be able to test both next to each other than go for it imo

[indigo sequoia]

Yeah I need to see with the wife

[sterile coyote]

But you gotta have 🍞

[indigo sequoia]

She plays VR too

I also need to buy a flight sim seat 😦

And rudder pedals 😦

[sterile coyote]

Yikes 💰

[indigo sequoia]

I'll go for a cheap foldable seat because the wife will kill me otherwise, but it's still 300€

I hope I'll play enough with it lmao

[sterile coyote]

lol

[sterile coyote]

I heard about that but what are they increasing it to

[indigo sequoia]

103?

Something like that

[sterile coyote]

Not that bad

[indigo sequoia]

Still fov is a strange thing to measure

But pople are overall saying it's not a drawback anymore

Glare is one

[gloomy crater]

That's why I'm only planning on buying headsets in the future with aspheric lenses. Pretty much eliminates glare

[indigo sequoia]

As is maybe small sweet spot (but easily adjustable due to comfyness and wright and custom face cover), lack of audio and maybe bad strap depending on the person (but there is an audio strap incoming)

[gloomy crater]

The main reasons I'm holding out for the Somnium VR1 rather than jumping on the bigscreen beyond is because of better FOV and Aspheric lenses

[indigo sequoia]

Aspheric lenses have their own problems though

[gloomy crater]

But the small form factor of the beyond is very enticing

[sterile coyote]

I’m waiting till bobovr drops a strap

[indigo sequoia]

Also, this form factor is just sooooooooooooo alluring

[sterile coyote]

Fr

[indigo sequoia]

It probably could have ANY problem but still be the best headset ever just because of the comfort

What's perfect visual clarity if it moves around everywhere and after 40min it becomes unbearable 😦

[sterile coyote]

Fr

[indigo sequoia]

(After 15min I already can't use the vive anymore)

[gloomy crater]

Idk, weight/size of the HMD isn't that big of a deal imo because it just sorta disappears when I start gaming. Meanwhile small FOV and horrible glare are both things that I notice at all times

Maybe that's just cause I haven't used a 'modern' small headset before though

I've only ever dailied an Index and a Quest 1

[indigo sequoia]

Idk, I feel like it's something we forgot cuz we got used to having bricks on the forehead, but maybe if you were to try it you would have a huge WOW

[sterile coyote]

Did you think it was bad on the quest 1? Because the beyond is only about 10 fov better

[gloomy crater]

Well, I am trading my index for my sister's G2 pretty soon, and I've heard it's pretty light. WMR crashes her computer and she wants the simplicity of native steamvr so she's getting my index kit and I'll just sell the G2 and buy new base stations and controllers when the VR1 comes out

[gloomy crater]

I don't remember the FOV being particularly bad, just the visuals. I was more referring to the size of it

Especially when you start adding accesories to it, the Q1 quickly becomes very bulky

[indigo sequoia]

Another problem with the beyond is the potential impossibility to run it at native resolution in DCS

[gloomy crater]

That's also an issue with the VR1. They claim that their custom cable is beefy enough that it'll be able to do 2880*2880 120hz with only basic DSC capabilities, but it's yet to be seen whether they're blowing smoke on that

[indigo sequoia]

Oh
DCS is a game :p

[haughty thistle]

DP1.4 just doesn't have the bandwidth for that resolution at even 90Hz without DSC

[indigo sequoia]

I'm not talking about dsc

It's just that DCS is probably the most hungry game ever made

[weak bluff]

I go 3090 if 3090 still have warranty for Quest 2

[torpid latch]

im saving up for my first vr headset and im thinking of the oculus rift s i found one from facebook market place for 130e (used) is it just good price or scam?

[weak bluff]

Bit pricey can you get any cheaper

If its good condition its bit expensive

Make sure there is no cable damage

[torpid latch]

how much should it be? i live in finland and have tried to find cheaper rift s but couldnt

[weak bluff]

In Finland then i guess that make sense

Its ok its not a ripoff

I got Rift S used recently too

Had to do extra care with it

[torpid latch]

yeah i make sure the controllers are fine and headset for obvious damage and the cable

[rancid kestrel]

Dang it's crazy how dead Beat Saber is.

No wonder I didn't get below 40 on the new songs....

[lusty dagger]

The best thing. 50% play vanilla xD

Okay maybe not, but a fair bit does.

[gloomy crater]

I was gonna say, Idk how many people playing on BSLegacyLauncher or other modded launchers contribute to the live game player statistics

[burnt oasis]

honestly should i buy teh cv1 for fun

[upbeat slate]

Can i get help with my rift s it says it cant get The sensors to work but The usb works

[weak bluff]

Have you plugged to usb 3.0 port

[lusty dagger]

This and try other ports, the hmd needs quite a bit bandwidth, and cause usb is shared - its annoying.

[upbeat slate]

Yes

[weak bluff]

Try restart Oculus software in Settings > Beta

[lusty dagger]

Look over your message there

[upbeat slate]

I have it in a usb 3 port

[lusty dagger]

Try different ones for the reasons i gave

[upbeat slate]

I did try all at The back nothing works

[sullen otter]

Have you uninstalled oculus and tried starting fresh? Also check if the cable is plugged into the headset all the way

[little plinth]

wew

what is so good about the index

it keep getting more and more popular on steam survey

[weak bluff]

i thought its the opposite the sales been down hard

[gloomy crater]

it becoming more popular on the survey isn't strictly an indicator of it being good

Just that it comes with arguably the best controllers on the market, it has valve's branding, it's native steamvr, and it's becoming cheaper on the used market so people who refused to spend MSRP on it before but still wanted one are starting to be able to get them now. None of that has anything to do with it being good, just extenuating circumstances that have lead to an increase in representation on the survey.

[dull kayak]

Hi, im looking to get a new vr I right now own a htc vive (1st gen) and I'm looking for an upgrade I'm right now deciding between quest 3 or a hp reverb g2 v2. What should you guys recommend or do you maybe have any other headsets to recommend?

[gloomy crater]

ehhhh, between those two I'd say the Reverb G2 would be a better bet, but honestly if you've already got a vive I wouldn't get either of them due to my incredibly biased base station superiority and favoritism

Also there's a significant price difference between the G2 and the Q3, so headset recommendations depend on how much you're willing to spend

[sterile coyote]

if you have infinite money get the bigscreen beyond when it comes out if you prefer PCVR rather than standalone

[weak bluff]

At quest 3 budget you can get great controllers with Valve Index used then upgrade to BB or Varjo Aero in the future

[dull kayak]

I'm looking for a new headset because of the htc vive's low resolution. I mostly use vr in simracing and it's blurry after 50meters and even upclose texts are blurry.

[gloomy crater]

Hmm. The index does have a bit of an advantage over the vive in terms of resolution, but not nearly as much as the Q3 or G2. It's just that neither of them work with the base stations, and neither of them are native steamvr so you'd be giving up a lot for that higher resolution. If you're just looking for something better in the $500 price range, I second the notion of trying to find a used index headset and controllers to use with your current base stations

[dull kayak]

The G2 and Q3 has a much better ress then htc vive tho. I have been looking for used index but nobody has one where I live. And on steam itself the valve index is still out of stock when you want to buy the headset alone, I already have the index controllers so

I'm looking for a better headset for 600 euro. But there so many options like Pico and g2 and q3 but I just don't know which one to go for lol

[rustic garnet]

i'd probably grab a reverb and keep using the index controllers

[weak bluff]

Since you have base stations consider only vive pro used maybe?

If you don't care controllers maybe the lesser known arpara headaet

Nevermind about arpara don't buy it

[dull kayak]

Damn I forgot about the vive pro..
Well now I'm really stuck with choosing, what would you buy if you could pick between quest 3, hp reverb g2 v2 or vive pro? And why?

[weak bluff]

Since you sim drive you probably carr less about focusing on 1 spot and more about field of view

Get the high fov headset

Vive Pro 2 has decent FOV + high res

It's heavy but it's good to be heavy and balanced like you are racing with a helmet

[dull kayak]

But the quest 3 also has high ress and fov right? And reverb too

[dull kayak]

That's true

It's so hard to choose right now lol

[weak bluff]

Quest 3 have strengths that you just cannot take advantage for sim driving

[dull kayak]

I like 60% play sim and 40% play other games so it's hard to choose

[weak bluff]

Some of Quest 3 highlight feature such as: MR, small controllers, depth sensor, narrow FOV, uncomfortable strap

Those feature is less attractive if you only sit

On top of that, because Quest 3 is not a native SteamVR headset

Your headset will take compressed image which is not a big problem for sim driving however it introduce some more latency plus your PC have to spend some resources to encode video which takes some performance away

Using Quest 3 on PC meaning you either use USB C cable or Wi-Fi. Neither is really attractive. You can take advantage of wireless VR but cmon you are sitting to drive sim you are not restricted by movement so you might as well plug it in if your headset runs out of battery in an hour. Wired solution well...

You can use Quest 3 in wired however using wired will require using horrible Oculus Software on top of SteamVR which eats some system resources. (There is a 3rd party mod solution OculusLikker however this has been not working since SteamVR 2.0 update)

[dull kayak]

Damn..thanks for all the info btw I appreciate it a lot..

[weak bluff]

Quest 3 strength cannot be taken advantage for sim i mean so Quest 3 while it is great headset you cant take advantage many of its selling features

it would still be an option if you need mobility and you are about its MR features

since you want that 40% or who knows mayeb that standalone gives you extra reason to play vr

[dull kayak]

Well I have right now been looking up about the htc vive pro 2 and it looks like that one is winning against the reverb

Now I'm choosing between the vive pro 2 and quest 3

[weak bluff]

just the headset right

[dull kayak]

Yes

[weak bluff]

if you can double budget Varjo Aero would be life changing

[soft hound]

I would recommend heavily against the Vive Pro 2
They have a really REALLY bad track record of dying
Something that @haughty thistle will probably agree on

[dull kayak]

huh

[haughty thistle]

Not just dying. The software is atrocious, preventing you from running the thing at even Reverb G2 res, the screens exert all their heat through the lenses onto your eyes, the lenses have even more glare then a dirty Rift CV1 lens...

I could go on, but you get the idea. It's a terrible headset and I wouldn't recommend buying one for any reason...

[dull kayak]

oh okay uh which one should i get then ?

[haughty thistle]

The G2 is prolly the next best thing. It's controllers aren't the greatest (and downright frustrating in VRChat), but it'd be the next best thing tbh

[dull kayak]

well i have the index controllers so i can use that instead of those controllers but for the rest the G2 is the best choice for a 600 euro price range?

[haughty thistle]

It has prolly some of the best LCD screens I have seen to date in a VR headset (if everything else is TN, this is VA), it has the same off-ear speakers as the Index and it's lightweight and prolly one of the comfiest HMDs on the market imo

The only downside being that you need to calibrate things like Index controllers for every session, as it's an inside-out tracked headset (tho I did run mine with them for a while and it really isn't that big of a deal)

[dull kayak]

Okay thank you i will buy the G2 next week probably :)

[rustic garnet]

The thing that i dont get about having to recalibrate your space every time is aren't both tracking systems relative to the room around you?

i mean like

your base stations don't move

and neither do your walls

So how can they get misaligned

[haughty thistle]

Inside-out tracking is only about 2cm accurate, and the initial room position can shift quite noticably between each session...

[weak bluff]

what about Vive Pro 1

[haughty thistle]

99% of the problems with the VP2 are exclusive to the VP2. The only exception being the kinda meh built-in audio...

[little plinth]

these quest 2s are nosediving in used price

available at 200 now

[gloomy crater]

Weird, I started my retail work around the time the Q3 came out, and in that time we've sold dozens of Quest 2s but not a single Quest 3. There are always five Q3s on the shelf, but we can't keep Q2's stocked because every fifth person buys one. Just something I noticed

[little plinth]

it's a hot sell on my place

and they don't even officially sell here

[weak bluff]

it will nose dive even deeper once its replacement comes out next year

[pale orbit]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7bxdx/scientists-are-researching-a-device-that-can-induce-lucid-dreams-on-demand

who needs vr if this works

[indigo sequoia]

If you can double the budget go with varjo aero or bigscreen behond

[formal willow]

worst scenario: people would be just be sleeping 20 hours a day

[gloomy crater]

That's like, the opposite of why I play VR lol. If the player only wants to experience things they haven't/can't IRL, I can understand, but I play VR because it's more fun than normal exercise/healthier than normal games, and because it's other peoples' stories and creations. Dreams are the product of your own mind, so you can only ever do stuff you create. There will never be any story twists or unexpected elements, or genuinely scary moments like so many games are great at doing, because you're the one writing/creating everything on the fly in a dream.

[little plinth]

lucid nightmare will shit your pants

[rancid kestrel]

I want to be able to run in VR.

[torpid latch]

I found a oculus guest 1 for 80€ only it has some scratches on one of the controllers is it a rip-off btw i live in finland

[green crypt]

a quest 1 only works as a pc headset not as a standalone headset and spare controller are refurbished or used so yeah

[weak bluff]

Seems cheap idk how much you can extend its life

Can be used for dirty cheap solution for PCVR and hope no bugs happen

[spare urchin]

probably causes cancer 😉

[spare urchin]

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-NAND-5000MB/dp/B0B25M8FXX
4TB for 215, seems like a good deal 👁️

[subtle zealot]

Are there any ways to use an iphone as a vr display like in a google cardboard? Head tracking isn't really necessary, but it should be something like sitting in a movie theater with a big screen. Preferably wired. Thanks in advance.

[weak bluff]

Yes and you can use Google cardboard itself

[deep yew]

speaking of the Aero and Big Screen Beyond, I didn't know till recently the Aero got a huge price cut and I'm debating between these two options as I do a bunch of sim racing these days and the clarity of the Index is best summed up as "lol, lmao"

The form factor of the BSB is very enticing as is it not having any third party software between it and Steam VR, but fuck if I know anyone with a new iPhone which is my big hang up.

Just wondering if the hassle of getting access to one is worth it or if the Aero is just as good

[weak bluff]

Aero sounds great for sim since you just sit and the weigh makes it feel like you are wearing helmet racing

And the plus of wide view

[deep yew]

I do a bunch pistol whip too tho so idk about that much of a weight increase. Prolly fine as long as it's balanced well tho

VR: The land of "choose your compromises"

[rustic garnet]

Does the beyond really need to be custom made per user i feel like that's just an unnecessary barrier to entry

like we've been fine with foam facial interfaces for ten years

[torpid latch]

what vr headset can i get for 80e btw i live in finland

[haughty thistle]

Apparently it has the best light seal out of any headset on the market without becoming uncomfortable for certain individuals...

[haughty thistle]

Something from the used market... if you're lucky...

[little plinth]

what facial interface material is good for a naturally oily face

i use silicone on my pico and

it's not a good feeling

when it's oily

had to constantly wipe my face dry

https://x.com/VRChat/status/1720486230490579040?s=20

from VRC themselves, it's confirmed

[rustic garnet]

Hm still can't they offer a default model for if you don't have an iPhone

[deep yew]

the form factor would have to change a lot with some sorta ipd mechanism added and they're relying on that zero light leak fit for the image so I don't think they can offer a generic model

[sullen linden]

best vr head set for bugdet? ive tryed the quest 2 but it suck

[weak bluff]

HTC Vive or Oculus Rift CV1 you probably need to buy from other EU country used market

other day someone from Finland could find Rift S for 130 eur not cheap

[weak bluff]

if that sucks for you nothing budget can be good for you

[sullen linden]

👍 thx

[weak bluff]

maybe find good WMR deals

[hard torrent]

refurb deals maybe?

[weak bluff]

i dont think there are any good refurb

only used and out of warranty deals

[burnt oasis]

should i work more hours and get the beyond full setup?

[sterile coyote]

go to the apple store and do the face scan there they even recommend it iirc

[little plinth]

is it difficult to

install apks

on quest?

[sterile coyote]

no

you can just side load

[little plinth]

sucks

i've been considering to upgrade my pico 4 to quest 3

but i heard the binocular overlap on it is bad

and this just adds another reason to not

[sterile coyote]

Wym

[little plinth]

pico can install any apk

[sterile coyote]

It was super easy when I had my quest 2

[little plinth]

like a regular android

even got a play store client on it

[sterile coyote]

Based

But you can do the same on quest (not the play store shit)

You just need to enable it in settings

[little plinth]

straight up got android recovery

waiting until someone makes pico TWRP

then you can finally do custom ROMs

on a VR headset

lol

[sterile coyote]

Anyway my opinion is that you shouldn’t upgrade

[little plinth]

well i was considering mainly for the standalone features

and hand tracking

which is kinda sub par on the pico

i wanna use it like an apple vision pro

the more restrictive OS and the worse binocular overlap is kinda a turn off

so yeaa i might just wait for pico's next iteration

[weak bluff]

meta CTO just said Quest 2 support will last 3 years after their last sale

that thing will last a long time

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/UploadVR/status/1721924082793431464?s=20

probably because Google is making their own OS for XR

[little plinth]

Me installing a playstore client on Pico

[weak bluff]

you absolutely can I even nstalled play store in my Windows 11 pc

[little plinth]

I used shapexr on pico with passthrough

The video quality is of course grainy but

The tracking seems

Fine

I want Q3 ngl

[haughty thistle]

You can install just any APK on Quest. Just don't expect it to work with Play Services, as the Quest doesn't ship with those. Tho sideloading of the Play Services normally shouldn't work on unlicensed devices anyways (basically the manufacturer needs to pay Google for each device that the Play Services run on; if they didn't the Play Services normally refuse to function...)

It's not just the Play Store that relies on Play Services. Basically any app that makes use of Google proprietary stuff (like Maps, in-app purchases, etc.) either will not function correctly or at all. It's a big Problem on Huawei phones too

[lapis vector]

i have a question that might make me look dumb what does per unit mean of meta quest 2 controllers mean is it one or two

@haughty thistle could you help me sorry for the ping

[haughty thistle]

Do they indicate left/right? If so then yes, it should be individual controllers. Q2 controllers are not ambidextrous and thus it's either as pairs or left/right separately...

(and sorry for the late reply, I got lost in some late night virtual trucking 😅)

[little plinth]

VRChat is out for pico

poggers

[weak bluff]

and someone managed to get full body in vrchat pico 4

[haughty thistle]

ofc. It's just OSC. You can do it on the Quest as well. Just requires a PC or smth to parse the FBT data and send it via OSC to the VRC client...

[weak bluff]

yep just to be sure nothing preventing it

[little plinth]

how do you do this

[weak bluff]

you need OSC compatible full body tracking like SlimeVR or Apriltags

[haughty thistle]

Mocopi is also OSC compatible

[weak bluff]

Forgot that

That thing sucks dont buy it

Better wait for slimevr with NRF

[cobalt geyser]

NRF?

[rustic garnet]

& whats osc may i ask ....

[haughty thistle]

Basically a signal protocol. Kinda like a Websocket or similar, basically a means of sending small data packets real time over the network...

[rustic garnet]

and how does that help you make fbt on quest

[weak bluff]

NRF its a radio protocol and its very power efficient

OSC is a sound control that VRChat uses to control everything in avatar including full body tracking

[weak bluff]

Your game needs to know your legs position and OSC is a way to tell the game

[rustic garnet]

and where does the leg position come from

[weak bluff]

your tracker de facto

if you have slimevr tracker de jure it takes data measured from tracker, sent to slime software then send to vrchat via OSC

[little plinth]

Wew standalone vrc is defo a downgrade

Very noticeable that it has ASW on also

[weak bluff]

It's a downgrade even with ASW on

[little plinth]

the difference between standalone power and PC is just immense

my PC runs full fidelity at 90 FPS while the junk SoC on standalone do like not even 90 with ASW and downgraded graphics
people who only got quest/pico is missing out

[haughty thistle]

The XR2 Gen 2 is about a GTX 1050 performance afaik, and that's the Quest 3 SoC, not Pico4/Quest2...

[amber sleet]

ive recently got the quest3 (mainly pcvr) and instantly noticed on how bad the power consumption on it is. so i have been thinking to get splitter so i can just connect it to my pc while its charging (or at least maintains the same percentage) from a powerbrick but the issue is that i cant find one where i don't connect it to the quest3 itself since i dont want 2 cables being in my way while playing. can anyone recommend me one

[weak bluff]

aAliExpress have those

splitter near pc

[amber sleet]

could you send me a link?

[burnt oasis]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006542/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d,-asus-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-wifi-ii-ddr4,-g-skill-ripjaws-v-16gb-ddr4-3200-kit,-computer-build-bundle gettin this tomorrow

[sterile coyote]

bruh wtf good price

thats actually crazy

[warm stirrup]

I wouldn't call it crazy, about 50-100 dollars off depending on how much RAM that is

The mobo is 150 new, cpu is 160 new but can be gotten for cheaper, ram is 40-80 depending on compacity

so overall 350-390 total if buying new and closer to 300 maybe down to 280 if buying used

[sterile coyote]

I was exaggerating a bit maybe but its still a really nice deal

[warm stirrup]

Yeah still really nice

[weak bluff]

Fake Vision Pro already exist https://vr.emdoor.com/news/233.html

and its 3DOF

[sterile coyote]

lmao

[little plinth]

they cloned pico also

[burnt oasis]

16 gigs of ram is $35, cpu is actually $200 new while being 5% slower than the 5800x3d (which is $320) it was $230 but the price dropped further, the motherboard is worth $120 realistically as it's am4, so yea around $380

[burnt oasis]

idk how you could get an x3d cpu for cheaper

open box?

it's $230 on ebay

[burnt oasis]

yessir parts were bought

i'll post a pic when i get to my gfs cuz i got no wifi rn

also bought a cheap single tower for it

the mobo is pretty heavy

[midnight horizon]

Do Steam base stations need USB connection to PC, or just power?

[soft hound]

Just power

[lusty dagger]

Usb is for Firmware Updates if they ever get some. (if you dont have Bluetooth cause this also generally would allow a ota Update via steamvr)

[worthy lance]

Recently got a Quest 3, this is my very first VR headset ever and have been playing a lot of beat saber and was wondering if it would be a good idea to get better controllers? Was thinking about the quest pro controllers but not sure how much of an upgrade it would be from stock Quest 3 controllers. Well, its supposed have better tracking due to the built-in IR sensers but idk if i should spend $300 for it. Are there any other controllers with excellent tracking that I should look into? I use a link cable to play beat saber so its not running off my quest headset even though I can do that, I just prefer modded beat saber. Any help would be appreciated.

[sour quartz]

afaik the quest 3 controllers are some of the best around, maybe the pro are a little better, but apart from maybe the knuckles theres not much your missing out on

@worthy lance

[weak bluff]

The controllers are fine

[worthy lance]

Ok thanks for the input. Wasn't sure cause I have had some hits counted as misses while playing I know for sure I hit the blocks on beat, in the right direction, and when I should have hit them. Might just be me then.

[sour quartz]

I think thats just an engine problem, i experience the same thing too

Do you guys think running VR through the front io USB-C port of my pc is stable enough for my quest 2? or is it worth it to buy a dedicated card or dp to c cable

[worthy lance]

as long as it is USB 3.0 or higher you should be fine.

if it works it works..

It wont work at all if the USB port doesnt have the bandwidth capabilities.

[weak bluff]

i think you just need to practice

quest isn't best for beat saber pcvr due to encoding latency

the latency is only issue when you are professional and you are new so I don't believe its a controller problem

[haughty thistle]

Quest Standalone is actually pretty horrible with the Quest Pro controllers. The angle and position of the sabers just doesn't match up properly with the controllers. It's fine on PCVR, so dunno what went wrong there. Could be very possible it's the same on the Quest 3 controllers, given their shared lack of tracking ring (just to note: standalone is fine with the Quest 1 controllers, so it's not flat-out standalone that's broken)

[weak bluff]

when quest 2 track better than quest 3

meta why

[crimson bridge]

I'd highly recommend using Saber Tailor mod to help with lining up the sabers to your controllers. I find using the Q3 controllers quite difficult as I'm used to using a 'claw' grip through the ring - which of course doesn't exist on the Q3 controllers.

I'd play with Saber Tailor and see if you can get it to 'feel' better.

[worthy lance]

Ill give it a shot.. I have felt like my sabers were off a little. I have adjusted the sabers forward as I feel like they arent reaching as they should.. Do you know if there is a mod or an option that I need to have to delete songs in-game? I saw linus was able to do it durring his live stream.

[cedar belfry]

i can finally officially sit in front of a mirror

[worthy lance]

Its more than likely a skill issue... I only play expert and expert +... And I dont notice that much latency using the quest for PCVR. I think it runs better with PCVR than running straight off the quest it self.

[weak bluff]

What imu is that

[cedar belfry]

Avg shitty poor boi MPU6500 - they work well enough for me sooo

[weak bluff]

That is not a good value do you know that

There is a same price alternative that is better

The bmi160

[cedar belfry]

Yea you told me but it was a schematic I found on OSHWLab and was too lazy to change the IMU

At the time of posting the project has been removed from the site sooo

I'm too broke to even afford this fire hazard - a usb charging dock

[lilac quartz]

I travel with my VR rig

Turns out, setting it up in a hotel room is Fine™

(And traveling with a Index is harder than traveling with a Quest 2. Ubiquiti WAP for Virtual Desktop purposes)

[weak bluff]

i love being a mobile vr traveller

getting ITX mobo is quite a pain tho

[crimson bridge]

I am fairly sure Linus plays via PCVR - I think there's a 'better playlist' mod that lets you delete maps. On Quest, I believe I use the BMBF app to remove songs.

I was playing last night, and I notice the tracking can be a little jittery as well - I believe it's how you hold the controllers. The abcense of a ring really seems to cause issues I've found - sometimes the tracking is really accurate, but then on occasion the saber just goes and does it's own thing.

[molten lotus]

anyone out here play eleven table tenis

i wanna play it but idk what kind of vr i should get , preferably entry level

i also got prescription glasses, im not sure how that would work

[weak bluff]

quest 2 can play it

currently limited 249 price new

[amber sleet]

theres a company (forgor the name) that makes covers for ur lenses for ur prescription

or you just adjust the distance from the lenses to eyes

[molten lotus]

damn

pricey

alternatives?

[amber sleet]

i dont think vr headset get cheaper as of now

[molten lotus]

how about oculus go

[amber sleet]

unless u want a used one

[molten lotus]

yeah i found a oculus go for 50

[amber sleet]

idk much about vr headsets sadly

recently got the quest 3 and im happy with it

[amber sleet]

do you want a standalone?

[molten lotus]

what does taht mean

[amber sleet]

means no pc needed

[molten lotus]

i would want to play pc games on the vr

[amber sleet]

for pcvr

[molten lotus]

i just want to play eleven table tennis

[amber sleet]

quest go doesnt have support for it

just checked

i think the cheapest option would be quest 2 unless theres a alternative to that

[weak bluff]

HTC Vive or Oculus Rift CV1

Do NOT buy oculus Go

that headset is discontinued and has no position tracking

your best option is to have a good PC pair with HTC Vive/Rift CV1 or find Quest 2 used deals which it can be quite cheap if you can catch it right

[rustic garnet]

Doesn't have positional tracking and is EOL

[molten lotus]

does the base quest 2 have options for people with bad eyesight

i know i used one that could be adjusted

[haughty thistle]

Barely any headset has built-in adjustments for eye sight, and for a good reason. For one, you can only adjust for diopter on these (which is the more common deficiency, but not the only one) and with that diopter adjustment you usually only ever have a very limited range.
The big problem you have with these is that it's very hard to dial in the value right for your eye sight exactly. It may seem correct, but over longer time a wrongly adjusted diopter can worsen your eyesight quite significantly (not if it's too low, but too high). Because these are usually a smooth adjustment it's very easy to overshoot and set an evber so slightly too high diopter and ruin your eyes.
Plus like I said, these can only adjust for diopter (often in a range of -6 to +1), so if your eye sight is outside this range, or your also need for example astigmatism adjustment your out of luck.
The only headset to ever properly ship to consumers with such an adjustment is the Vive XR Elite, but even though it has that diopter adjustment, it's probably the most hostile headset for people with vision impairment (as I already elaborated all the issues with the adjustment) but also it has 0 space for any inserts so even if you don't plan on using the adjustment mechanism, you can't...

The alternative that basically everyone else is using is what's called lens inserts. These are basically glasses you mount to your VR lenses and thus you don't need to wear your glasses/contacts in VR (because they're already in the headset so to speak). Depending on the vendor these inserts usually start at around 70 bucks including shipping

Plus, if your don't want to spend any money besides the VR headset, most headsets these days have enough space inside the facial interface to wear glasses underneath the headset. It might not be the most comfortable experience, but it is a possibility

[rustic garnet]

so im kinda working on modding a wmr headset and just now i was thinking what if i made it look like something russel built out of junk from city 17

i mean like the grav gloves look so sick

the tracking cameras could be the ocular modules from combine soldier helmets

[gloomy crater]

Kinda like the CV1 that SLZ strapped a bunch of random tech stuff to for the Boneworks intro cutscene?

[rustic garnet]

Hahahah no im ngl that just looks stupid

but yea i guess in concept

but more .... deliberately executed

[gloomy crater]

I just see the literal CPU and tiny RC car speaker glued to it and yeah, it def could use some improvements. Imo any small details on any sci fi tech should seem like they serve a purpose rather than just being thrown on there to look cool

[rustic garnet]

yes and that's something i think the design of the gravity gloves does perfectly

[gloomy crater]

yep

[rustic garnet]

especially considering how you can actually see the parts moving and working

[gloomy crater]

I'm really looking forward to getting my next VR headset and being able to go back into HLA and see in greater detail how the gravity gloves look and function in regular gameplay just in higher resolution. Cause the Quest 1 I'm stuck on right now really don't do them justice.

[rustic garnet]

there's a 3d model of them in the final hours of half life alyx

[gloomy crater]

oh dope, I'll have to take a look then

[sage basin]

Anyone have any experience using a Quest 2 or similar in a plane? Any weird behaviors in tracking due to the speed and “positional changes”?

Thinking of getting one myself but gotta decide on 2 vs 3

[formal willow]

that sounds very nauseating

[rustic garnet]

airplanes travel with (roughly) constant speed aka no acceleration which is what the IMUs can measure

and the camera tracking is relative to your surroundings which are obviously also moving at a constant speed with you

So basically inside out tracked headsets like the quest track motion in exactly the same way your brain does

[little plinth]

until there's a turbulence and all hell break loose

at least

[weak bluff]

play quest 2 with position trackign disabled

[little plinth]

making it 3DOF

[sage basin]

Didn’t know this was an option 👍… I’ll have to see if it makes me more or less nauseated cause I can still feel the movement.

[sage basin]

Are there multiple levels of tracking I can disable?

Tbh I’ll probs just use it to watch TV

Like media from my phone or something. I have a Samsung so I should be able to get full desktop

[rustic garnet]

howdoumean full desktop

[burnt oasis]

today i learned that a 5600x3d is better than a 13900k in vrchat

[crimson bridge]

I'm about to drop some money on a 5800X3D meant to do it last year but wasn't able to. I have a 5800X but apparently the difference for VR is very noticable.

[sour quartz]

I mean, if you turn off all the lights and use it in the dark tracking doesnt work...

[gentle anvil]

I want to know the compatability of Linux with oculus quest link

[tidal portal]

yea i noticed drastic difference when i went from 5950X to 5800X3D. It likes that extra cache.

[burnt oasis]

if you have a microcenter get a 5600x3d for $199

[burnt oasis]

its more than twice as fast

i thought it was gonna be like 50-80% faster

no

2

x

went from 45-60 fps 1% highs

usually 25-30fps and my 1% lows were 10fps

[tidal portal]

also new headset day, eye tracking is sick

[burnt oasis]

to now my 1% lows are 45

and im usually 90fps locked (i cant run 120 on link for some reason)

[crimson bridge]

Why would a 5600X3D be faster than a 5800X3d? Or am I misunderstanding? 😄

[burnt oasis]

its barely slower

worth it for $120 less

nearly half the pricwe

[weak bluff]

we are getting 5500X3D and 5700X3D

the cache war is not over

AM4 is not over

[burnt oasis]

tf?

fr?

[little plinth]

goodluck getting that 5600x3D at a good price when not in the us though

if you can even find one in the first place

[weak bluff]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-readies-8-core-ryzen-7-5700x3d-and-6-core-ryzen-5-5500x3d-with-96mb-l3-cache

rumour

[haughty thistle]

Eyyyy! Fellow Varjo owner 😄

[sour quartz]

what headbands for the quest 2 would you guys recommend (on a budget)

[silver wind]

I made a ghetto setup out of a psu modular cable bag, some dominoes and a few thick rubber bands

[sour quartz]

jesus christ

i think i'd rather stick to stock 😅

[shut pier]

does pc vr even exist for less than us$200? im banned from meta products for ban evasion after getting falsely banned for botting

like i just want to sit in my chair and blast my eye holes with light while i play some project wingman without selling my kidney

[weak bluff]

Yes

HTC vive

WMR used

But i still recommend use alt account

[shut pier]

all 3 alts are banned 🙂

manythanks

[worthy lance]

Hey, anyone know what is needed for 3rd person VR recording? I see a lot of people (especially beat saber players) have a 3rd person view and I cant seem to find what they are using. Do I need a special setup for this?

[haughty thistle]

The software these streamers are using is called LIV. You can use it in one of 3 ways:

• Just as a third-person camera
• With a virtual Avatar (Linus did make a video in his Vive Fullbody Tracker video)
• With a a camera and greenscreen/Nvidia Broadcast (Linus also made a video on this)

Here's the video about using it with a greenscreen (basically you in VR): https://youtu.be/GCw9uG56foo
And here about how to do it with a virtual avatar: https://youtu.be/we7PysQbOvc

I did manage to get the first thing working with just a regular webcam and using Nvidia broadcast to cut out the background, but it was... ehh... not ideal to say the least: https://youtu.be/gg6h7uGGQOU

[worthy lance]

@haughty thistle I dont use an NVIDIA GPU but ill try some of these and see if i can get something working

[haughty thistle]

Yee, it's just something I wanted to mention. Greenscreen or avatar is definetly preferred method. Apparently LIV does have it's own background removal that should work without a greenscreen too, but no Idea how well it works and whether or not it works on AMD GPUs...

[sterile coyote]

get a used bobovr one

idk what you consider budget but with the new quest 3 you ought to be able to find one before the conversion kit is dropped

[sour quartz]

found a couple on ebay, thanks!

what should i look for in face cushions?

[sterile coyote]

No idea on that front as i just used the stock ones before i gave my quest to my brother as a gift

im waiting for something less bulky to come out

[dull tide]

Is G2 sold out for good?

[weak bluff]

It's quality and it's a shame it is discontinued

[gloomy crater]

I'm not looking forward to having to use a G2 for the next 8 months

I imagine it'll still be better than the Quest 1 I'm using now, but I've been spoiled by the simplicity of SteamVR and I've seen firsthand how much of a pain WMR can be

[weak bluff]

you can use SteamVR on WMR

[gloomy crater]

I mean native steamvr

Not having to have the oculus software or WMR running in the background just to play is most preferable

[weak bluff]

for oculus software kill it with oculuskiller

[little plinth]

do you still need oculus software if you use VD

[weak bluff]

no

VD lets you bypass

and in some game VD even has own runtime that bypass even SteamVR freeing some resource to minimum

[little plinth]

VDXR

though i got issues with it on my pico 4 in particular
when i use VDXR on BS, steamvr commits death

the game still runs, just can't use steamvr menu

[weak bluff]

yes

[little plinth]

is it meant to happen

[weak bluff]

yes because steamvr is not running

you bypass it to get small performance gain

[little plinth]

not having access to steamvr dashboard is quite an inconvenient

i just not use it kek

especially not having desktop+

[weak bluff]

yes

[little plinth]

could be useful for DCS if that works on it

haven't tried

[weak bluff]

you have to check

stuff like vrchat anticheat i dont recommend it

[little plinth]

the performance is shit on my 3060 on DCS

even with FSR and FFR

that 10% will make some difference

[tame tartan]

can i use an andriod phone with quad core and 2 or 4gbs of ram as headset to run vr games?

i also have iphone 13

@ me answer

[amber sleet]

prob not

im pretty sure phones cant even run vr games

[tame tartan]

Damn

What’s the cheapest be headset?

That I can connect to pc

And have that handle the workload and just use phone as screen

[weak bluff]

I do not recommend mobile phone headset

Seems you do not know what to do in VR yet

See what interest you in vr first

[tame tartan]

Vrchat

And vrgame called

WaifuVerse

Currently in development

I think

Or it’s done idk

[weak bluff]

Ok here is list of VR headset that can run VRChat: Quest 2, Quest Pro, Quest 3, Pico 4, any PCVR headset if you have gaming PC

Quest 2 is the cheapest

[tame tartan]

I see

[weak bluff]

We are in black Friday and its at $249

[tame tartan]

How much for brand new quest 2?

I see

[weak bluff]

249

[tame tartan]

Maybe after I get a job again

And make money

Cuz rn no job and school

[weak bluff]

After this deal end it goes back to $299

[tame tartan]

I can wait

Unless I can justify buying a quest 2 as a tax return

[weak bluff]

Alternatively find used Quest 2 it can be as cheap as $150-$200

[tame tartan]

Pass

I only do used if it’s no longer in production

Like Wii remote

[weak bluff]

Those are standalone option meaning you only need headset itself and the mobile version of VRChat does not run pretty

But that is easiest way to play vrchat

[tame tartan]

Yes I have pc, it will have gtx 1080 soon

I just need headset made for playing on pc

[weak bluff]

If you have a pc there will be a lot more options

[tame tartan]

I have a pc

I7-12700k

32 GBs ddr5-5600mhz

In December, gtx 1080

[amber sleet]

whats the price of the gpu

[amber sleet]

pretty sure theres better alternatives to the 1080

[little plinth]

quest 2s going for like 240 and less

i'm tempted to get one for a second headset

for the meta exclusive games

but yea i'd probably hate it especially comparing to the pico 4
better option might be to sell the pico 4 and get a quest 3

[weak bluff]

how funny quest 2 become when Quest 3 lite releases at $199 + $49 controllers

[amber sleet]

is it known what the difference between lite and normal one will be?

[weak bluff]

haha i have news for you

i dont know

and nobody knows except meta

its too soon

[amber sleet]

ah i see

[tame tartan]

$100

[rustic garnet]

u can use a phone and a program on your computer to stream vr, no spatial tracking and no hands though so not very immersive

[tame tartan]

Damn

How am I supposed to punch people then?

I guess I could with an Xbox controller

[weak bluff]

You need controller capable of position tracking

They usually with position tracking capable headset

Quest 2 is the most capable budget headset it has position tracking, enough resolution to not get too much screen door effect, controller position tracking, largest content in the store and hand tracking

And capable of playing wirelessly from pc

[amber sleet]

dont the switch controllers have positional tracking

[weak bluff]

No

Switch uses gyroscope and accelerometer to get rotation it does not have anything to track position in space

[rustic garnet]

there was that one thing with nintendo labo a while back but that just used forward kinematics on the angles of the joycons

[crimson bridge]

Has anyone got the Q3 and been playing Beat Saber - and had one of the controllers just cut out completely mid-game? I just did, and I swear it's the same issue that was on the other quests, with the loose battery?

And it seems to lose tracking - especially on fast sweeping movements in Beat Saber... it's making me look like a novice 😮

[weak bluff]

it seems like a known issue

its a design issue

the solution is probably get a controller stick but even that wont make it as good as quest 2

[sterile coyote]

If the Q3 supports base stations I highly recommend getting some

The inside out tracking is not good at fast movements and can’t track the controllers if you put them behind you

At least on the 2

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 3 does not support base stations. Best you can do is get some flicker free lights and hope that helps (in my case it definitely helped a lot with the Quest Pro controllers flying away when swishing around)

[weak bluff]

funny joke

but actually that can only work if you attach vive tracker on headset

does not solve poor controller tracking without not using it

[amber sleet]

would it work to use like the index controllers with the base station but oculus headset on pcvr

[warm stirrup]

Technically, index has some sort of communication between the headset and controller as well as the base stations, using any quest headset with index on base stations should work but not as good tracking quality

[weak bluff]

yes as long you run SteamVR

controllers works perfectly fine as long you haev steamvr dongles

[amber sleet]

interesting

[haughty thistle]

You do need to calibrate the tracking systems tho, as obv the Index controllers will have no idea where they are intelation to your headset and vice versa. This is only a problem when mixing different tracking systems

[prisma silo]

can someone help me with my laptop running vr? its rly annoying me lol

my laptop has an i5 11400H, RTX 3050Ti, 16gb ddr4 ram, 512gb ssd whatever, it just doesnt run vr well at all
my friend has the exact same laptop but they have a 12th gen and theirs runs it flawlessly

can someone help me figure out why it just doesnt run well please, its driving me crazy

they came to my house and we tried everything the exact same on both laptops and its night and day difference

we looked at performance on task manager there was no real issues at all

[haughty thistle]

I mean, if it's different Gen CPUs, then what stops the manufacturer from changing other components (like cooler, etc)?

[amber sleet]

which vr headset are you using?

[prisma silo]

quest 2

[amber sleet]

are you having fps issues?

[prisma silo]

kinda yeah

on beat saber it can be fine them boom fps drops

rec room is screen tearing, like if i look around its tearing

phasmophobia is cosntant low fps

[amber sleet]

connected to power?

[prisma silo]

im plugged in yeah

[amber sleet]

a 3050ti isnt a powerful gpu

[amber sleet]

try limiting ur fps

[prisma silo]

i have

i just dont know why i cant run it when a near identical system can

[haughty thistle]

Screen tearing? You sure the game FPS is what's dropping and not the connection?

[prisma silo]

im using link

[amber sleet]

well have u tried using a different cable?

[haughty thistle]

USB controllers can very quite heavily between CPU generations, just saying...
You might also just be running into a CPU bottleneck, as the Quest has to get every frame either h264 or h265 encoded...

[prisma silo]

im using usb c to c so i feell ike the cable is fine

its just crazy to me how different it is between laptops

[haughty thistle]

11th gen was a pure dumpster fire (way too hot, less perf then 10th gen for same power draw, etc.)

[prisma silo]

when on games, nothing on task manager is like at high usage or spiking

[prisma silo]

this cpu is hot yeah

[amber sleet]

thermal throttling?

[prisma silo]

i dont believe so

[haughty thistle]

Just because it's the same line of product doesn't mean it's the same. As you said 11th gen vs 12th gen CPU, which for the board architecture is a huge difference, as there were some massive changes between those two generations of Intel CPUs...

[prisma silo]

hmmm

[amber sleet]

vr games are gpu intensive so i dont think a bottleneck would be the issue

[amber sleet]

has it always been an issue?

[prisma silo]

i only recently got a vr again cuz i have a good sytem, so since i got it yeah, its never ran vr good

[amber sleet]

only thing i can really say its maybe some background application taking performance

or its actually ur system

[prisma silo]

i dont even know

[amber sleet]

or drivers

[rustic garnet]

I didn't think screen tearing was possible in vr

don't they use global shutter displays

[haughty thistle]

Bottleneck for the video encoding...

[amber sleet]

ohhh

[haughty thistle]

VR compositors try to avoid screen tearing as much as possible, but I have seen it happening on quest when there's some problem in the video en-/decoding chain or transfer of the encoded video stream...

[prisma silo]

im getting a pc soon either way cuz of these issues

what would you say is the best kinda budget gpu

for vr ofc

[rustic garnet]

ohkay that makes sense bc they have so much less control over the data stream

[rustic garnet]

wait are you playing native on the quest

[prisma silo]

i forgot what native means

im using link for steam vr

[amber sleet]

what games are you looking for to play

[prisma silo]

nothing crazy but probs just beatsaber, rec room, vrchat yk

im thinking 3060 or 3070

[amber sleet]

depending on the prices you have the 6800xt could be an option

idk if the 7800xt is at the same price range or performance

[prisma silo]

my friend bought a pre built a year ish ago so i may just get the same one

[rustic garnet]

Then you already have a pc or huh?

[prisma silo]

a laptop

[rustic garnet]

oh okay

fair

[amber sleet]

always not recommended to get a prebuilt

[prisma silo]

i mean theirs is fine 🤷‍♀️

[amber sleet]

building yourself one gives you much more options and usually is cheaper than getting a prebuilt one

ur choice in the end

[haughty thistle]

Plus it can be a lot of fun to build your own PC. At the very least you can fully claim it's yours 😄

[weak bluff]

do recommend amd 3D v cache they run well for those games

[weak bluff]

What resolution does it run auto at

[prisma silo]

Whatever the quest 2 resolution is

[indigo sequoia]

Super cool to see Linus reviewing the beyond

Now I want it even more

[weak bluff]

Linus FINALLY reviewed it

After months of teasing

[warm stirrup]

Lol I really want the beyond

It's literally exactly I'd want

But I'm buying upgrades for the rest of my PC setup first

So I might have to wait for next gen

Speaking of which, is there any plans for a next gen beyond?

[weak bluff]

too soon to tell

probably years too soon

no plan

[indigo sequoia]

No the devs are super open and they are clearly saying they are taking feedbacks and trying to improve for future revisions

Or even versions

Nothing official, just what the beyond guys tend to say on their discord

I'm personally waiting a few months so that I can finish some projects and buy other things I need

This will let them the time to increase production so that I don't need to wait 3 months to get it, but also we'll have more customers feedbacks

[sweet smelt]

It’s here woooo

[little plinth]

i got a lenspen and hoooo

my vr headset lense never been this clean

it's amazing

[sullen linden]

I've owned my Index for almost 2 years now and only just now found out about power-saver mode for the base stations

[fervent crown]

Virtual Reality.

[haughty thistle]

The only correct way to play Beat Saber

Gotta turn into Golden Eye NPCs when you tilt the cartridge

[shell kestrel]

Wow

[glacial marten]

how do people use their vr headsets for sim racing?

i have a quest 2 that i link up to pcvr but like

how do u actually use it for sim racing

[weak bluff]

your game needs to support steamvr first

[glacial marten]

ah

[deep yew]

which they all mostly do so it's not a big deal to get going. Still waiting on EA WRC to get its shit together tho

[gloomy crater]

Man I gave it one last shot, but I just can't fix this mess so I'm giving up. I gifted my sister an HP reverb G2 last year, but after she got it, every time she turned it on it would hard freeze her entire PC and she'd have to unplug it from the wall to turn it off bc the power and restart buttons wouldn't even work.

We've tried reinstalling WMR, SteamVR, updating drivers, changing settings, using other utilities to monitor system states prior to crashing, and we still can't figure out what the issue is. So she's getting an index for Christmas

[rustic garnet]

did you reinstall windows

[gloomy crater]

No, because that's a drastic step to take every time you're troubleshooting something. It takes a while to backup data and prepare a system for OS reinstallation, and that was time I just didn't have during my visit today

I don't know if I should give these 3d printed base station mounting brackets another chance or just drill them into the wall like normal

Last time I used the brackets, the adhesive came loose and my base station fell off the wall

[rustic garnet]

if you already did all that other stuff i don't think u can say it's drastic to fresh install on a different drive

[sour quartz]

Pefectly captured the feeling lmao

[gloomy crater]

I just mean it's drastic compared to the other troubleshooting attempts, and it's the most drastic thing you can do to a system while trying to fix something without KNOWING whether or not it will fix the issue. For all we know, it could be the power in her house causing the system to crash under load, which has nothing to do with the OS install

And that's assuming you have another drive to install everything necessary to find out on

[warm stirrup]

How's the bigscreen beyond durability wise?

[grizzled field]

how does the original HTC Vive compare to the Rift CV1?

visual wise

[grizzled field]

you can get some rlly good deals on the original vive, $135 for headset basestations cables and controllers used

[weak bluff]

they are similar you can see through the screen videos

the res is really low

[little plinth]

i feel like getting quest 1 just for movies

OLED

can't feel the darkness of theatres on my pico

cuz LCD

[young night]

"If you got an outside in set up, wait for a headset upgrade"

Good advice to those with steam VR bases

I got the original Oculus Rift CV1

I can't upgrade crap without replacing all of it

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/JJFX_MULTIMEDIA/status/1729664779193565439?t=aG1Qw4Q63ylUx3nEKHu65g&s=19

[little plinth]

Ordered the AX53 router

I'm so done

With cable

Immersion breaker

When i was playing B&S

Has to constantly kick the cable away

[terse crane]

I've got the chance to get a free Quest 2 or a Quest 3 for $150 through work for Christmas. Going to get one for the family (kids as well) for Christmas. Any input on which to get?

[gloomy crater]

"Free" "For $150"

If they're both the same price, the Q3 is no brainer imo

[terse crane]

Free Quest 2

[gloomy crater]

Ahh

[terse crane]

Quest 3 for $150

[leaden ruin]

worth the upgrade i'd say

longer support period and ofcourse allround much better

[terse crane]

I'm thinking which will be better for my 10 year old to play Beat Saber at the house

That's really what it will be used for

[gloomy crater]

So where I work, a Quest 2 with $50 of free meta store credit is $250 rn. So your offer is like being able to buy a Quest 3 for $150 off. That's the one I'd go with.

[terse crane]

Quest 2 doesn't come iwth 50 meta store credit

[leaden ruin]

secretly you wanna have a go sometimes too

[terse crane]

Here

[leaden ruin]

get the 3 and enjoy it

[terse crane]

I think I might

I have like 12.5k points. So the Quest 2 is "free" and it'll be between 100 and 150 to "top off points" to get the quest 3

[leaden ruin]

the 3 does include the controllers right?

their not in the picture

[honest sphinx]

It probably does

[terse crane]

Yes it does

[leaden ruin]

good

[terse crane]

so the passthrough being much better and saving a kid from getting hurt is likely worth the extra?

[real pasture]

passthrough isnt the only thing better in quest 3, there is also a longer support period than quest 2, meaning it wont go into obscurity soon

[little plinth]

damn

wireless so good

i really missed out all this time

[toxic wasp]

Hey guys, quick question.. what do ya'all think of a Quest 1 at 150€

I probably will only use it for PCVR or the occasional Internal Game, and im a Tinkerer. My PC has a Ryzen 5 2600X and a GTX1050Ti Overclocked to Hell and Back.

I probably would also code my own games at a low level (OGL or simmilar)

The high pricetag always discouraged me from buying any Headset, but at around 100-150€ it seems like a sweet deal

I could probably even get full body tracking using a Kinect that i have lying around.. so its kinda a ideal thing

[gloomy crater]

That's pretty expensive for a Quest 1 tbh. Idk what the market is like where you live, but NA you can find them for less than 2/3 that price

[little plinth]

expensive for q1

its like 110 eur for me

or less

[gloomy crater]

I also don't know whether they've made significant changes to PCVR performance, but my old RX570 running a Quest 1 back in 2020 was a horrible experience. So I'm not sure how a 1050TI would fare

[little plinth]

VD Potato wants 580 minimum

and that already looks like shit

spending money on pc first is a better idea

personally, i held off buying a vr headset for a year to get my pc ready

[rustic garnet]

Quest 1 is eol

[toxic wasp]

Germany here. Rift's go for 155€ or upwards

[rustic garnet]

and a 1050 is barley enough for any kind of vr

[toxic wasp]

Dont particularly care, am going to make my own games. Also PCVR, and well im hoping Meta wont cut all the support aka keep the store up or atleast let me install apps somehow

[rustic garnet]

You still need driver support from oculus

[toxic wasp]

1050Ti, overclocked to 2100MHz and 4500MHz mem clock (pushes around 170 fps in my current engine at ~6k resolution)

[toxic wasp]

I could happly use Windows 7 if i had to

Currently running Win 10 and PCVR via Steam should work?

My other option would be a Rift, they sometimes go for 50€ (even Development Kits) and yeah.. wouldn't have any portability

Tho im not sure whats the better deal, a rift or a quest 1

[rustic garnet]

idk what base clock on that is but ok

[toxic wasp]

~1600 base 1800 boost

[rustic garnet]

And telling us perf numbers in a custom engine means nothing??

[toxic wasp]

Well it means that performance of my PC wont be a issue

[rustic garnet]

hm

[toxic wasp]

Especially if i can run my own programs

I do not have USB-C though. Only USB3

Type A

[rustic garnet]

Not a problem

wait you run arch

??

[toxic wasp]

Also, yes.

(i run a lot of OS's, maining Arch, and having Windows 10 as a normal backup incase

[rustic garnet]

yeah ok cuz ur not gonna play basically anything in vr on linux

[toxic wasp]

Why so?

[rustic garnet]

?

Because the software for it doesn't exist?

[toxic wasp]

SteamVR recognizes the Cardboard VR to steam adapter thing

[rustic garnet]

what

which one

[toxic wasp]

Uhh

Something with Tri, one second

Trinus

[rustic garnet]

trinus

[toxic wasp]

Haven't tested Vridge

Just im not sure if the Portability of the Quest 1 is worth it

And if not, what Rift or similar i should get

(ignoring software, as i can figure that out, i was using a Kinect with Trinus to get full body tracking)

And i have Windows if i need it

[rustic garnet]

...….on linux?

[rustic garnet]

i really still like my rift cv1 but if you're more of a tinkerer you'd probably like the steamvr system more

so one of the vives basically

[toxic wasp]

Yes, with some trickery (dont remember if i had made a custom bridge to get into Wine/VM and back out of it, i might have)

[toxic wasp]

Those are way above my price budget though. Cant afford anything over 150€

Also dont have a ton of space for base systems.. kinda a struggle for sensors

[rustic garnet]

Even the original??

[toxic wasp]

Yes

[rustic garnet]

• rift sensors and steamvr base stations are functionally identical

they have the exact same mounting point and very similar fov

[toxic wasp]

Only place i can get them cheaper is eBay Kleinanzeigen, but nobody really is shipping there..

[toxic wasp]

Because the best i can find in person is 200€

(thats Rift S tho)

[rustic garnet]

rift s is kinda clammy imo

like

it has all the worst parts of the quest and the rift at the same time

[toxic wasp]

Hm

Well i can also find the quest 1 128gb at around 130€

[rustic garnet]

if you're playing pcvr internal storage capacity wont matter

obviously

[toxic wasp]

Rift CV1 at 120€ with shipping possible..

[rustic garnet]

The cv1 has a kinda notoriously fragile cable which basically cant be replaced btw

But if you're careful with it

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, but at a 5€ price difference to the 64GB.. might aswell. Also might wanna code my games to have em run on internal processor power.. if its worth having it run on its own vs PCVR

[rustic garnet]

is the 64 more expensive ...

or what

[toxic wasp]

Ah rip.. yeah id rather not then..

[toxic wasp]

No, but 5€ difference.. that wont make it

Might aswell go for the 128gb just for the sake of it

[rustic garnet]

Im not following which is for 150

[toxic wasp]

Quest 1 128GB -> 130€
Rift CV1 -> 120€
Rift S -> 155€
Add some fluctuation to those prices and yeah

(i found some cheaper ones that still are a full bundle, thats why the prices changed)

The first Quest 1 i found was 150€

(and most of them are priced at 150€)

[rustic garnet]

either the q1 or the cv1

i would get

tbh i would get the cv1 bc im kinda opinionated about compressed usb streaming...

and as i said the quest doesn't really have a lot of utility standalone anymore

Also for the love of everything make sure the rift has everything

it's basically completely worthless without sensors

[toxic wasp]

Hm..

Could one connect a hdmi to usb c cable to the quest?

[rustic garnet]

nop

They could've implemented that pretty essy

[toxic wasp]

Would get rid of the problem of usb compression

[rustic garnet]

easy

but nope

[toxic wasp]

How about instead of compressing, running at 1024x1024 per eye?

Or wifi?

Tho if the CV1 is known to break cables and be unreplaceable.. what should i get/look in terms of rift?

[rustic garnet]

the core issue is just i feel quirky about not having a raw video signal going to the panels

it's literally just my own weird hangup

plenty of people use quests all the time for pc vr

[toxic wasp]

I mean i feel you on that, shit should run over USB2 but god damn protocol overhead

And for the standalone.. what does "not a lot of utility" mean?

Can i streaminstall as example the Superhot installer to it?

[rustic garnet]

huh

Wdym usb 2

it certainly couldnt

[toxic wasp]

USB2 should be capable enough

(Bandwidth wise atleast)

[rustic garnet]

maybe with onboard tracking processing and an actual video cable

usb 2 is literally a hundred times slower than hdmi

[toxic wasp]

Yes

Slap compression on it, go and remove a lot of overhead, and push a few less pixels.. could be done

Would need a custom USB Driver stack tho (also controller driver stack.. but whatever)

[rustic garnet]

what

[toxic wasp]

Anyway

[rustic garnet]

ok i mean that's like what they did on the quest then

.......480 Mbps is nowhere near enough for 5 megapixels at 90 hertz

[toxic wasp]

Just some low level bullshit to really push USB to its limits.. USB2 likes to cap out at 8-12MB/s, but managed to push it to like.. 25MB/s fairly easly.. but that's offtopic

[rustic garnet]

why are you counting transfer speeds in megabyte

[toxic wasp]

Well run at 1200x1200 per eye or something like it, and 60hz.. then it can fit

[amber sleet]

usb 2 actually is enough for a quest 3 atleast from what i tried unless oculus app brokey

[rustic garnet]

yeah because they compress the image to hell and back like i said

Which is what im taking issue with

but im just weird

[amber sleet]

didnt see any big compression

[toxic wasp]

Lossless compression can work. You can compress 300MB down to 40MB fairly easly

[rustic garnet]

yeah see because compression algorithms remove data in a way humans dont really notice

[toxic wasp]

And that too, if you take lossy into consideration, its even easyer

[rustic garnet]

Ok thank you so we're all on the same page about compression

[toxic wasp]

Well.. lossless compression as said

Perfectly fine

Doesn't remove anything

Anyway

[amber sleet]

so it isnt a problem then if its lossless anyways

[toxic wasp]

I still would like my question of "what does 'almost no utility standalone' for the quest 1 mean?"

[rustic garnet]

nobody cares about it anymore

development wise i mean

[toxic wasp]

Yes thats fine

[rustic garnet]

the install base is so magnitudally lower than the quest 2

[toxic wasp]

Aslong as i can run my apps and already existant apps on it id be considering it a win, aslong nobody rips it away

I mean, id play like beatsaber, superhot and maybe job sim on it (ah and vrchat maybe?)

[rustic garnet]

iirc sideloading on quest 1 is basically a known quantity atp

Vrchat standalone perf on q1 ...

[toxic wasp]

?

[rustic garnet]

like

it's a solved problem

people do it

[toxic wasp]

thats cool

[rustic garnet]

and know how to do ot

i mean it's been out for what four years?

[toxic wasp]

Well, i dont mind lowest settings 30hz

[rustic garnet]

r u sure about that ...

[toxic wasp]

Yes

[rustic garnet]

Framerates in vr do not at all feel the same as flat gaming

[toxic wasp]

(i survived via WiFi trinus 800x800 per eye, compressed, 40hz for a good while..

(can last like 2 hours fairly easly

[rustic garnet]

masochist

[toxic wasp]

You got that right lol

(I love coding in C and assembly.. that was clear to me for a while-)

So.. ignoring standalone performance..

And it being EOL

I could do PCVR

And i could sideload?

[amber sleet]

i think youre insane

[toxic wasp]

:)

[rustic garnet]

yeah

[toxic wasp]

I am for sure

Ok i think i found the deciding argument..

[rustic garnet]

and you don't have to faff with base station setup

[toxic wasp]

Quest MB-H with Controllers for 85€

[rustic garnet]

mb-h?

[toxic wasp]

As far as i understand thats a quest 1?

Looks like this

Would need a little cleaning but thats nothing new to me

[rustic garnet]

it kinda looks like the top strap mount is gone?

And the tracking ring is cracked

which i don't think affects functionally?

[toxic wasp]

Can i glue it?

He states it works fine

[toxic wasp]

Which is awesome

Gonna be funny to play BeamNG in VR on my 1050Ti lol

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, it definitely has.

Thats a big downer.. not easy to fix either

And found an another one for 100€.. sigh..

Anyway.. so i suppose the quest 1 is still valid for me

[rustic garnet]

I mean just like glue a piece of plastic to the top

[little plinth]

i defo need bigger powerbank

my pico sucked that 10kmah powerbank like nothing

[rustic garnet]

What does valve want if you need to use the warranty on an index

the original like order number or what?

[haughty thistle]

If you've ordered your index from steam then basically nothing, as they'll match it with the order from your account. Otherwise, I'm not sure tbh...

[rustic garnet]

thinking of getting one second hand

it's ..... An incredible deal

or well it's an auction so you never know but rn it's at 1000 sek so about a hundred euro

i know someone here has written about struggling to get a controller repaired because he doesn't have the receipt basically

isnt the warranty only a year

this unit doesn't really look only a old

There's like a little chunk of the front panel missing lol and the guy has a whole wire pulley system

which sounds hardcore early adopter to me

like

probably selling to get a beyond or sumn

What's a better deal for a hundred euro than an index in ur opinion

like its the whole entire kit

with the box and everything

yea

What did you think i said

It's an auction

the buy it now price is like 600

It's got two bids and ends on friday

im kinda trying to hold out before putting down a bid bc maybe then im like kicking the nest

Can the seller just deny the deal if the price isn't high enough

no right that would be silly

whatever we'll see

And a steam controller for twenty

god i wish i got one back when they were on clearance

[rustic garnet]

eh

im careful with my stuff

and handy with tools

Idk though 600 bucks is a little much for a used index in 2023

like it's 4 year old hardware

good 4 year old hardware mind you

Better than what i have

But still they're selling it new for the same price it launched

Like it's better than my rift i bet but not 600 dollars better

[amber sleet]

index is a bit overpriced for the fact its 4 years old

[wet tundra]

I just bought another Gear VR and am doing a second try at getting my Note8 to fit in it...

[weak bluff]

oh dear dont go GearVR as former GearVR user

the content is now gone its no longer supported or get software updates

no positional tracking and abandoned

[wet tundra]

dont worry. i think i already broke it

[weak bluff]

ok but i do want you to know gearvr is not a real state of vr todya and dont asusme vr is bad just from gearvr experience

Google Cardboard and GearVR has created this issue where it created a lot of bad impression on vr

[wet tundra]

I dont really consider Phone On Phace style devices are real VR

[real pasture]

on most people i believe so

but it was enough for me to enjoy gliding with an elytra in mcvr on a rx570 (4gb one)

[quaint beacon]

setup - 5800x, Ventus 3x 3070 OC, 32gb @ 3200mhz
quest 2 connected via Virtual Desktop, max fps in games like vrc still runs at 45fps, even though it's not uncapped and my VD settings are capped at 90fps with no interlacing

Is there something that I missed changing because I hate having to play at under 45 constantly

[rustic garnet]

vrchat is just demanding

because people who make avatars have no self control

[weak bluff]

when playing game open task manager and see what is bottlenecked

change graph to logical processor while playign game

see if any core runs 100%

see if GPU goes 100% and whether VRAM is full

check for any program that takes resources

[real pasture]

me when installing steamvr on my phone:

[weak bluff]

there is no point of doing that

[real pasture]

alvr+phonevr:

[weak bluff]

why?

you dont get position tracking

you cant even run steamvr games

[real pasture]

who said 3dof will kill me

[real pasture]

we'll see about that