virtual-reality

[rancid kestrel]

https://nitter.net/FacebookGaming/status/1320697337170198528
No surprise here right? :V

Huh, the yoga thing wasn't for Steam?

[haughty thistle]

Wait... that's news to me as well. Especially given that they've partnered with Marcrohard to bring Xcloud to the Quest...

[rancid kestrel]

VR game streaming sounds like vomit.

[little plinth]

not in the way you'd think

it's just regular cloud gaming but on virtual screen

not like full immersive VR direct streaming

[rancid kestrel]

That's stupid, just use your monitor.

:V

[weak bluff]

remember when Mixer got moved into Facebook gaming?

[little plinth]

meant to be used when you're away/no access to real screen

[haughty thistle]

There are people who've done it, using a Shadow cloud gaming PC and Virtual Desktop. I honestly don't trust it either, but given that all methods of playing PCVR on the Quest involve latency heavy compression with a need for compensation, I can imagine that it wouldn't be too bad. What I mean by that is that using the high Hz IMU data to predict movement and then tweak the image slightly on arrival, alá ASW. It's gonna feel like moving through Jelly even more so then playing over Wifi...

[weak bluff]

cloud gaming struggle on flat screen let alone VR

[rancid kestrel]

Mixer?

[weak bluff]

as in adoption

[weak bluff]

uuuh Microsoft Twitch competitor

Shroud and Ninja moved to there

yeah no wonder no one remembers it

[rancid kestrel]

I don't know what those are.

[weak bluff]

there used to be Microsoft's twitch competitor called Mixer

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah you said that.

[weak bluff]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixer_(service)

[rancid kestrel]

I don't know what shroud and ninja are.

[weak bluff]

then they collapsed and moved to Facebook gaming

just famous streamers

[rancid kestrel]

Oh, funky.

[weak bluff]

it was a flop i wont blame you nto being aware

[rancid kestrel]

The only one that hasn't been was YouTube as far as I'm aware.

[weak bluff]

no one cares about Mixer and when Mixer been told they will get moved to Facebook gaming most moved to Twitch instead

[rancid kestrel]

I think there was one that DireWolf20 was promoting for a bit.

[weak bluff]

ok you dont know that then will you be shocked to know there is Facebook Dating

[rancid kestrel]

Was supposed to have some very interesting viewer interaction APIs so it wasn't done via chat.

Sounds just as bad as Roblox dating for different reasons. :V

[haughty thistle]

I loved how Microsoft poored some serious money into Mixer paying these two large streamers serious money to move exclusively to Mixer months before the shutdown, and when they shut down, they just told everyone they can move to FB Gaming. No one was contractually obliged to switch, and in-fact it was more like just creating a new account and starting on a new plattform. It wasn't so much integrated as it was just shut down with some of the backend assets going to Facebook...

[weak bluff]

I think the same thing is happening with Kick

[haughty thistle]

Da faq is Kick?

[rancid kestrel]

Maybe the contract was with Microsoft and it said no Twitch?

[weak bluff]

they bought xqc into their streaming platform

Kick

yeah who knows

[rancid kestrel]

Maybe if Roblox did VR Facebook would buy them. :^)

[weak bluff]

just how many streaming platform will try to compete with twitch then die unknow

[weak bluff]

I have news for you

they do

[thorny ferry]

Upgrade complete

[rancid kestrel]

Since when?

[weak bluff]

like month ago? https://www.meta.com/experiences/5804350719675181/

2 months

[haughty thistle]

Ah. I see you upgraded from the Zuccerverse to IRL™️. Congratz on getting that bonus deal with a free cat included

[weak bluff]

Can I get the VR headset without the AR capability thank you zuck

[rancid kestrel]

Imagine buying a headset you need to hack to use, couldn't be me.

[weak bluff]

I guess the rumoured Quest 3 lite is Quest 3 without AR

[haughty thistle]

Nah. It'll double down on the AR, not even including controllers

[weak bluff]

that is something im wrapping my head

no controllers

[rancid kestrel]

Force the LIDAR so they can map your house.

[haughty thistle]

It's already forced with the room setup

[weak bluff]

competing with apple but lower price and spec instead of higher spec and bit higher price?

I was trying to think what was their strategy to not include controllers

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah but this way you can't cover it to stop them from keeping the scan updated.

I can't believe people are still okay with Facebook after all the stuff they do.....

The Apple one looks bad to me.

[weak bluff]

it would made sense for example maybe Quest 3 Lite can be paired with Quest 2 controller. That makes it a great upgrade from Quest 2 right? You have Quest 2 and pay just $199 then bring your controller along and bam high adoption

[little plinth]

far far longer

it's just that recently they focus on it more

and add it to native Q2

though i appreciate it

because before that, roblox VR is jank

[haughty thistle]

I mean... there's not really a way around it. The only alternative at this price point isn't even available in NA and is arguably even worse with data collection.
Plus, the moment you turn that thing on it's gonna collect. Hand Tracking comes with it's own 20 page privacy disclaimer and it's turned on by default on all Metabook headsets. How's this even legal?

[weak bluff]

im just happy Roblox is sucking kids out of VRChat

[little plinth]

isn't that rec room's job

and roblox isn't quite there yet

there's...

basically no vr game

in roblox

well there are but

you get the point

to add insult to injury, discovery is shit

there's no dedicated indicator for a VR game

[rancid kestrel]

There is an alternative, save up for a better headset and ignore Facebook because it isn't a real option.

[little plinth]

or pico if you prefer to sell your soul to pooh

[rancid kestrel]

I can't believe Facebook has users in general.

I'm excited for the Index successor.

[little plinth]

still like 3rd most popular website

there are bound to be users

for their projects

well...

users =/= actually doing well

look at threads

[haughty thistle]

Metabook has always been very vigilant to make their controllers not cross-gen compatible. I believe the only exception being the Quest Pro controllers. CV1 controllers were only compatible with the CV1, Touch V2 was only compatible with their second gen HMDs (Rift S & Quest 1), Touch V3 was only compatible with the Quest 2, now Touch Pro is the first and only controller of theirs to not just bridge the gap between gens but is also backwards compatible (Quest 2, Quest Pro, Quest 3). I do kinda consider their Quest Pro as a sort-of Gen 3.25, a slight upgrade over the Quest 2, but only slight...

[weak bluff]

its so unnecessary to make controller not compatible dammit

[rancid kestrel]

And you can use the Vive wands with the Index and the Index controllers with the Vive (I do this one)!

[haughty thistle]

Especially if they're basically the same shape and use the same tracking system... Especially the Touch V2 <-> V3 is weird

[rancid kestrel]

It also encourages the used market to sell complete units which people will be more likely to buy and they can collect even more data.

[haughty thistle]

Like they're basically identicall, just one having a more ergonomic shape and is white. Plus it has the better battery life as it runs the LEDs at slightly less power...

[rancid kestrel]

My brother said VR laser tag sounded lame until he realized that it uses a giant room that everyone shares with wireless headsets.

[weak bluff]

EU Mandatory cross compatible controller standards when

jk

[rancid kestrel]

Nintendo is a pretty decent example of that, at least from the GameCube to the Wii U.

[rustic garnet]

dayyyuuum why does the q3 sell for 7000 SEK

that's like 700 euro

the 512 gb version is 9k!!!

not that i would ever consider getting one but still

[rancid kestrel]

Has anyone played Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes?

[haughty thistle]

You can still use a Gamecube controller on the Switch, rumble and everything. Just plug the official adapter into it and it'll just work as a Switch Pro controller

[rancid kestrel]

You can't use Wiimotes.

[haughty thistle]

Well, you can't use Wiimotes on a Gamecube either, now can you?

[rancid kestrel]

I mean, sorta.

But that's forward compatibility not backwards.

[haughty thistle]

I think from all console controllers, I think the one with the longest support life would be the Gamecube controllers. Launched around the time the PS2 did and still officially supported by Nintendo on their latest console. No faffing about, no third-party adapters (tho good luck getting ahold of one of the official adapters as the one for the Switch was only a limited edition run for Smash Bros Ultimate), and most importantly, no special game support needed either

[rancid kestrel]

If you modify Nintendo 64 games you can use a passive adapter for GameCube controllers on the 64 and vise versa.

Shout-out to Super Mario Sunshine having the wrong control scheme on launch.

[haughty thistle]

I mean, looking at the connectors for the N64 and Gamecube, I'd be surprised if there weren't adapters available. N64 has 3 pins for the controllers and the Gamecube has 6, tho only 5 are used on a standard controller. Given that the N64 rumble pack required it's own batteries to function (and on Gamecube PC/Wii U/Switch adapters power for rumble is tied completely to just one dedicated USB connector), it's pretty safe to assume the 2 extra pins that Gamecube controllers use are just to power the rumble motor...

[rancid kestrel]

They use the same link layer protocol with different packets.

https://sites.google.com/site/consoleprotocols/home/nintendo-joy-bus-documentation

[weak bluff]

Linus on Bigscreen Beyond https://youtu.be/etyCb38ag-s?t=23m57s

Trouble with window

[sullen linden]

They made a LMG clip i thought, im waiting on the video he said he’ll make before considering buying, though i fucking want one lmao

[little plinth]

as if windows users aren't pirating it already

windows subscriptions part

[gloomy crater]

Yeah he's been talking about a Bigscreen Beyond video for multiple weeks now, still waiting for it to actually come out

I'm still pretty much deadset on the Somnium VR1 as my next headset, but I'm interested to see what he thinks about the Beyond since it seems like a really innovative form factor.

[weak bluff]

Its timestamped

He is filming BB review

Linus either is taking a lot more time than other reviewers or he queue a lot of videos

[burnt oasis]

he's not taking time

[burnt oasis]

what's special about somnium

[weak bluff]

its another of those super high end vr headset

[burnt oasis]

but what's it's specs

[weak bluff]

i guess check it out

https://somniumspace.com/

[gloomy crater]

It's basically the aero with better FOV and it can actually work on AMD cards

And you can choose which features you want it to have when you buy it

[weak bluff]

if you can buy somnium you can buy 4090

[burnt oasis]

what's it's price tho

[weak bluff]

no price yet

[burnt oasis]

so a higher fov pimax crystal?

[gloomy crater]

Not if you've decided to never buy another Nvidia card again after having a horrible year dealing with Nvidia's crummy software : D

[gloomy crater]

Crystal is inside out tracked, somnium uses base stations

[burnt oasis]

im contemplating quest 3 or bigscreen

[burnt oasis]

aside from tracking

i think i'll go quest 3 cuz mixed reality plus it would take me much longer to save for beyond

plus my friend and gf can use it for fun and i bring it over there

only two reasons i'd like the beyond is cuz of comfort and OLED, also playing for 4+ hours and never having to charge

[gloomy crater]

Yeah that's valid

[burnt oasis]

with the quest 3 being a third of the price i just gotta go for that

plus im doin straight pcvr mostly

or actually

maybe a quest pro? cuz mini led and face and eye tracking in vrc, but also lower res

[thorny ferry]

I would not go with pro over 3 rn

[burnt oasis]

what if the pro is slightly cheaper

i really only care about pcvr quality

quest pro isn't as sharp cuz lower res

but quest 3 is straight LCD

and i find LCD really dull

[thorny ferry]

Find one used?

[burnt oasis]

and they say qpro is far more comfortable

[burnt oasis]

yea that's what i was thinkin

[thorny ferry]

Pro is still lcd, local dimming only does so much. Depends how distracting you find haloing

[burnt oasis]

but they're better than quest 3

also it's mic is awful

[rancid kestrel]

WTF is this?

[haughty thistle]

If there's anything that Pimax and Deca has taught me is that I should be very cautious of any (new) company making bold claims in the VR space. Sure, they are working together with VRgenieers to make the thing, which does give it some credibility, but then also Somnium is a Crypto-Business first. They are after all the guys running a social VR platform that employs virtual scarcity through NFTs, which can only be bought with their own Crypto coins...

[gloomy crater]

I'm skeptical of any tech entering the space, and I'm basically waiting for thrillseeker's review before I consider giving them a dime. I'm just having a really hard time figuring out why a rugpull would spend so much effort trying to avoid taking people's money when there are customers begging them to open preorders. Like, they've talked about how much money they wasted when they had to scrap a bunch of their development effort in the beginning when deciding to go full base station tracked after planning to have standalone capabilities. Why would they spend so much money on something they don't know will succeed and then refuse to allow people to give them money until the actual product is ready to ship to consumers

[weak bluff]

Why virtual world have to limit ourself artificially. I don't want to buy land in virtual reality when creating land virtually is virtually infinite and is not finite and limited like real life.

We moved from phone book to virtually infinite contact list on our phone

Imagine being charged for phone book slots

In an app

[honest sphinx]

:O Good idea!

[sweet smelt]

Love it when an ad uses a bunch of Walmart ass VR headsets and then pretend’s they’re using their hands to interact with shit.

[weak bluff]

ah those infamous stock footage

[little plinth]

You know

If hand tracking gets good enough

I'd prefer it over a controller ngl

[weak bluff]

im sorry but i still prefer holding something

have you tried VRChat hand tracking even if its good it still sucks

[warped cairn]

i just bought more land in the metaverse

[little plinth]

Which is why i said if it gets good enough

[weak bluff]

i said even if its good

[little plinth]

If it's good it won't suck

[weak bluff]

you have to make Italian hands every move

[little plinth]

And i think it's more on VRC's poor implementation

Meta's OS work well with only hand

It'd be awesome to have natural hand movements

[winter solar]

would the quest 2 still be recommended now that the quest 3 is out? i have never owned a vr headset and was looking to purchase one (using with pc)

[weak bluff]

yes it is still good value especially for entry level

but i do recommend checking PC to ensure quality

[winter solar]

as in to make sure my pc meets the recommended specs for the games i want to play in vr?

is buying used sketchy when it comes to vr

[little plinth]

Lower than most think

A 1060 is enough

As long as you lower resolution

[weak bluff]

you probably want to check for hygiene and any dead pixels

1060 is somehow near minimum but its Quest 2 so please treat yourself better

[winter solar]

I have a 12gb 3060 and a 5600X i wasnt too worried about it

[weak bluff]

you are good

[winter solar]

maybe its worth paying the 650$ for the quest 3

[weak bluff]

I have something similar

if you are new, Quest 2 will be great already

you can consider even better after you are stisfied enough on Quest 2

[winter solar]

only feature that stood out to me was quest 3 being wireless to pc right?

[weak bluff]

All Quest headsets are

they are wireless via video compression

[winter solar]

i thought it needed to be wired to play pc games

maybe i was wrong

i mean like

OH air link

how is the latency?

[weak bluff]

depends on wifi quality i guess

range from noticable to unless you try hard or play professional

Quest 3 does not appeal to me it has AR/MR that I don't care and it plays standalone excellent which I don't play

[winter solar]

i was wanting to get one to try hitman 3 in vr

a few other games as well

maybe ill look into getting a quest 2 then

[weak bluff]

alternatively I recommend finding used Valve index kit

somewhere $400-$550 good price

[winter solar]

usd?

[weak bluff]

yes

[little plinth]

meh

way less versatile than a Quest2/Pico 4

about to be obsolete soon too (yes it's been said a lot but with BB, Q3, then P5 lurking around yeah)

plus used index kits lacking valve warranty

which is bad considering the controller that breaks often

[weak bluff]

you just debunked your own claim

[little plinth]

?

[weak bluff]

Index dont go obsolete

[little plinth]

they do

the screen resolution is already way behind

[weak bluff]

t??? that does not mean its obsolete?

[little plinth]

then the fact that it's still stuck with basestations (yes BB too but it has pros to counteract)

[weak bluff]

it just lower spec standards it does not suddenly become trash and unusable

[little plinth]

sooo... are windows 95 pcs not obsolete?

they are not trash and unusable if you use it for their intended programs

[weak bluff]

you can use Index in modern game it wont stop support windows 95 is not a good anology

[little plinth]

obsolete does not mean unusable

the definition of it is literally just out of date

the index is very much old at this point

and with index 2 or whatever starting to be more and more propable

plus the lack of standalone feature which can be helpful

the Quest 2 not just cheaper, but way more convenient

more versatile as well

[gloomy crater]

Depends on your definition of convenient

[little plinth]

convenient being literally just turn on and put on

no basestation set up needed

no being confined to a single room

can bring it anywhere you want

no mess of basestation cables

no need to set up pulley systems

[gloomy crater]

I upgraded from a quest to the index specifically because it was so inconvenient to deal with oculus' software every time I wanted to play, vs the index which you just turn on, put on your head and go

[weak bluff]

Index is not obsolete even with its specs. People will still be happy using it.

[little plinth]

then the G2 literally exists

[little plinth]

like how people can still be happy using an android phone from 2014

doesn't mean it isn't obsolete

[gloomy crater]

My sister did the same thing, went from an oculus platform to the G2 because of Oculus' software being such a pain, except now WMR is broken on her computer so she's swapping it out for an index as well

Eh, obsolete is subjective

[little plinth]

obsolete isn't subjective

the literal definition is "out of date"

[gloomy crater]

Clearly it is if you two are having an argument over its definition

[little plinth]

it's very much superseded in everyway by newer headset

[weak bluff]

saying that then there is no 1 answer to if Index is obsolete

no 1 answer

[little plinth]

not when there's the literal book definition

[weak bluff]

you dont conclude

[little plinth]

it's superseded by every newer headset

tell me the advantage of an index

that makes it worth setting up ALL THAT

[weak bluff]

but its not no longer used

its still good

[little plinth]

conveniently ignoring the second definition

[gloomy crater]

Ok

[weak bluff]

in biology

[gloomy crater]

Fionya

[weak bluff]

absolutely

[gloomy crater]

Do you own an index

[little plinth]

not that one

again convenient deflection

tell me

what is the advantage

of an index

[gloomy crater]

Do you want an honest answer? I'll start typing now but I might not be done for a while

[little plinth]

screen clarity? there are better ones
convenience? literally one of the least convenient one

content? the Quest lineup has access to standalone and PCVR

comfort? there's the bigscreen beyond, pico 4, and i heard Q3 is quite comfy too

[weak bluff]

none of that means Index is obsolete

[little plinth]

it is out of date, really full of valve copium

when it's literally behind in every metric

[weak bluff]

its dated but its still good

[little plinth]

obsolete is outdated

obsolete does not mean bad

like how you can still happily play a game cube

but game cube is obsolete regardless

[weak bluff]

you can still use it for any modern things

[little plinth]

like how a 2014 android can do things a 2023 one can

doesn't mean it isn't obsolete

or a 2014 windows PC can do everything a 2023 one can

i don't see any reason to spend 200 more, a lot more inconvenience, worse specs index

the Quest 2/Pico 4 at 300 or G2 at 400 is enough

maybe worse at some part but the other benefit outweigh it

the slightly better tracking you can't even tell the difference outside of hypercompetitive beat saber?

you can use the index, i'm not saying it's bad

but it doesn't have any proper big advantage

to justify the cons

[gloomy crater]

Question

Is there a way to do full body tracking on the Quest yet that doesn't involve base stations

[little plinth]

SlimeVR with the high end chip and magnetometer

provides a really high quality traking

[gloomy crater]

Huh. good to know

[little plinth]

still cheaper than vive trackers

despite the high end chip

i forgot the exact name

lemme check

ah the BNO085

obviously using vive tracker is better but then it can't be occluded and those bitches is like 130 quid each

[gloomy crater]

Interesting

I'm trying to find a way to do a full standalone FBT setup, with like, per limb, eye, face, finger, etc. EVERYTHING tracking while also having it be as good as a PCVR setup, just having no PC involved

The type of stuff you could walk around a convention center with and have both your entire self and your surroundings recreated in VR

[little plinth]

it will never be as good as PCVR since you're stuck with a Quest

the tracking will be good but yeahh the game

it's a quest

not much to explain

[little plinth]

that'd be funny

imagine an entire convention area

where there's nothing but

white tables

and bunch of people with VR headsets

[gloomy crater]

waitwaitwait

I think

there's a movie scene like that

give me a sec

[little plinth]

the quest 3 is

really tempting

but i don't wanna lock myself on their ecosystem

[gloomy crater]

I FOUND IT | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Unv1xT1FM

[little plinth]

yeah

bunch of people on an empty land

and even inside the "building" the sun still strikes you

no escape

[rustic garnet]

The index is both produced and used still

[rustic garnet]

Thing is it's consistently good in all metrics even if it's not the best at any anymore

that's my two cents

[gloomy crater]

my opinion is that it was good when I got it three years ago and I'm too lazy to change it 🤷‍♂️ so until it stops doing what I need it to do, it stays. Ofc I can't actually use it because my controllers are broken, so it technically isn't doing what I need it to do, but I'm not in a position to replace them right now anyway

[cedar belfry]

"The maps you play are actually shitty!"
The good maps I actually play:
https://replay.beatleader.xyz/?scoreId=9734743

it took me at least 30 attempts to get an 82%

@lusty dagger i think you'll LOVE this map

[lusty dagger]

U short

[cedar belfry]

;-;

how'd you knowww

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1713001602242461761?t=C_CGHMnhjnGaZuxjFl5vvA&s=19

Fresnel

Again

[little plinth]

soo

just a quest 2

with a different look

[rustic garnet]

yeah what literally where is the difference

[weak bluff]

Just spec upgrade

The cpu

And no controller

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah but Facebook means you shouldn't buy it.

[craggy coral]

What’s the summary of the opinions on the quest 3? It seems to be an improvement with some flaws and it’s main features not being taken advantage of yet

[honest sphinx]

I don't have one but if I had to get a VR headset right now and if the poor black levels weren't a big letdown for me then I'd get a Quest 3

I'd probably be willing to buy it for $400

[deep yew]

speaking of the quest, I've gotten really into doing nightmarish Pistol Whip runs to keep my butt moving. I'm assuming I can preload everything onto the quest and run it offline nbd so I can take it up to the boat I work on for some after shift shenanigans?

[burnt oasis]

pancake lenses, i haven't tried them but fresnel lenses are super annoying overtime, the res is fine but mild screen door effect, the OS doesn't feel too smooth tho it's noticeable (like an older android phone)

quest pro sells for around the same as quest 3, has face and eye tracking and supposedly more comfort, the displays have more contrast but not full OLED, slightly less sharp tho

[burnt oasis]

id do it if ur upgrading to steam vr headsets in the future

[tame pendant]

i noticed smth weird in the quest app
quest (2/3) don't have the meta branding but the quest pro does
any explanation or is this just for the silly

[little plinth]

Which is going towards inside out

Then base stations still lock you in a single room

Not to mention needing a decently sized room

[weak bluff]

Now you can do chores while watching https://vxtwitter.com/Bismuth833/status/1713140589829788142?t=p_6nF9JlxPGXWAiYncGDgA&s=19

[little plinth]

Oh, wait until they realise a phone exists and it doesn't require you to wear a heavy helmet while cooking

[weak bluff]

Well yeah but then wet hands

You can do either way

[little plinth]

The battery is a big hold back

Honestly I'd forget that I'm wearing one but it lasts.... 1.5h at best with passthrough

[weak bluff]

Its a pick your poison. Wet hands small screen or heavy head but big screen.

[little plinth]

I'm gonna wait for pico 5 and or maybe deckard.
Hope they shove big battery on the back side

Pico especially, battery on the back is big opportunity to have a big one and they have one barely better than Q2 battery life

Deckard, almost like GTA VI

But at least GTA VI is confirmed in the work

Or maybe one of those xreal glasses

But the controls sucked

Really sucks that two of the best standalone headsets are owned by two evil companies.

[sinful gazelle]

hmmhmm

Guess it's time to get into VR, just won a pair of Meta Quest 2s

[rustic garnet]

A pair?

[sinful gazelle]

glasses are usually referred to as pairs.

[rustic garnet]

It's not a set of glasses it's a headset

[sinful gazelle]

I can understand how that could be confusing

Does facepalmbook still force you to have an account to use these?

I haven't followed at all since I more or less swore I'd never touch Meta stuff if they require you to have an account, but if i'm getting one for free..

[weak bluff]

yes a Meta account

just make a burner account

[warped cairn]

ok but like
why would anyone get this

its just a quest 2 but with no controllers

[warped cairn]

not a facebook account but a "Meta" one

its seperate from facebook but probably collects the same data

[weak bluff]

it better have controller capability so you definitely want to buy that like a Surface Pro with keyboard

[little plinth]

soooo

i turned off boundary

and went upstairs

kek

[dull tide]

@sinful gazelle A new head strap is probably a given, followed by either grips or maybe eyeglasses. Some games you already have might have VR mods which makes gameplay a bit interesting to do

https://youtu.be/dYHhVfcaXFA?si=lG2H9_WcB0c5YjwP

https://youtu.be/b3gchU5jogk?si=O98zHoYHTOupXEOG

[tardy portal]

what happened to the Htc vive?

last time i visited the vive site they making glasses

[fathom patio]

worth it?

[warm stirrup]

Wth you can get a vive pro for under 400 USD now??? You can get a fucking valve index for 300 now?

[lusty dagger]

Are you talking hmd only there?

[warm stirrup]

Bro u can get the headset only for 200-350 USD

[lusty dagger]

So nothing that special

Index New is like 550

[warm stirrup]

dude like the last time I checked which granted was almost a year ago it was AT LEAST 500

[lusty dagger]

Yea would have never paid that for a index hmd alone

If id somehow have good Controllers plus lighthouse setup - then id maybe do 300

So ye

The stuff making the Index expensive in second Hand are the Controllers and lighthouse v2

If you could get a full kit for like 500, id be impressed

[warm stirrup]

Ok like come on, I found a 400 USD deal for vive pro that comes with 2 base stations, 2 valve knuckles, 2 vive wands, and the wireless adapter. Only thing it's missing is the things needed to go wired. 400 would give u headset only or maybe with 1 base station/controllers last time I checked. I get that it was a year ago but like rtx 3060s are still around 250-350 range in the used market

[lusty dagger]

Yea that is impressive. Hence why i asked hmd only or not

[warm stirrup]

According to thrill, offer up sells index full kits for 200

[lusty dagger]

Huh?

Makes no Real sense like at all

[lusty dagger]

Yea idk.

Not a flawless one for sure xdd

Maybe someone who wanted to get rid of it + a broken teather or something.

Q2 fits tho

[warm stirrup]

We'll see though, I assume he'll highlight something about that in the video

Yeah quest 2 isn't too surprising because the 3 came out

[lusty dagger]

Plus the q2 isnt that good anyways

[warm stirrup]

Yeah

[lusty dagger]

Or like more precisely.

The q2 isnt that good objectively, the fact thats its a working standalone at all for the price - makes it worth it

[warm stirrup]

My biggest problems were the compression with pcvr, the overall quality of the games, and several software bugs I had with my unit

[lusty dagger]

The fact thats its no Display link at all.

Its just the thing with it, it sucks for that.

The screen itself is fine, comfort Bad, sound horrible etc - cons are fine.

The pcvr link makes the only good thing Bad

[warm stirrup]

Lmao exactly, comfort tho wasn't an issue because I did the frankenquest mod

[lusty dagger]

Still Bad.

Heavy, Front heavy.

Biggest issue for me

[warm stirrup]

Which totalled the cost of the headset to near 500 for all the modifications I had for it lmao

[lusty dagger]

Yea you can counterweight and have like 600g on your head.

But thats not comfort for my Taste

[warm stirrup]

Yeah that hurt after a while

[lusty dagger]

Index is alright, but ye.

[warm stirrup]

I was thinking of getting a battery pack for it but the weight it'd add made me worry about my neck lol

[lusty dagger]

Index needs the cable hanging to the bottom. If you have a teather management it Breaks the great comfort.

Its still very good, but unbalances it.

[warm stirrup]

I've generally never had too much of a problem with tethered VR but that's probably bc i'm used to it

I originally used Rift

[lusty dagger]

I dont see the slightest issue with a teather if you have some Management.

I see a issue with wireless tho, runtime.

If im in vr, its over 5hrs almost always.

[warm stirrup]

I'd enjoy a polly system but I've heard that it's not great on the cable

[lusty dagger]

Just use it with a brain and its fine

[warm stirrup]

I never tried a wireless adapter

[lusty dagger]

But dont have the Index cable loose, have it tied to the back so it goes up directly.

Aka take off the Clip and tie around a velcro.

Then theres not a Single issue with using a Pulley System, if you watch your turns.

But this goes for every teather management System.

[warm stirrup]

Huh, I might consider that then, although I'd like to try the wireless adapter first to eliminate the cable altogether lol

[lusty dagger]

Try it, but use an actual good one.

The vive thing f. E.

[warm stirrup]

Oh yeah for sure

[lusty dagger]

Alltho its most likely even more annoying than the vive dongles lol

Trackers basically need line of sight... Like bruh

[warm stirrup]

I can imagine, my room configuration probably won't make that an issue tho

[lusty dagger]

Thats my solution i had to use

Green leds are the cables for the dongles, hard to see.

[warm stirrup]

Looks a little janky but overall looks good

[lusty dagger]

Janky only because of the cable mess, but ye.

[haughty thistle]

Just saying, these listings were discussed in detail in another server I'm in, and they're fairly certain these are scam listings...

Don't get me wrong, I love his content, but sending his viewers to scam listings is really reckless of him...
3 minutes of research on his side would've prevented this...

[lusty dagger]

Common sense would.

[haughty thistle]

Wanna know his pov?

They're local pick up so I doubt they're scams

Like bruv... Just because it's pick up doesn't mean it's a scam. Sure, let me meet this rando dude in a dark alley late in the evening with at least 200$ cash in hand!

[gloomy crater]

I've recently been listing old computer monitors and parts online for super cheap w/ local pickup bc I just wanna be rid of them but don't wanna throw them out, and I get people every day being like 'how do I know you're not trying to scam me???' so at least SOME people are cautious of scams, just not at the right time...

Although, I don't go calling out scams on sites nowadays bc I keep such lax track of various markets that what would normally be considered 'too good to be true' pricing, over time becomes normal pricing without me noticing. Like, back in 2019 you'd think a $100 GTX1080 would be a scam, nowadays not so much. If you're not paying attention and the market shifts while you're not looking, scam pricing can become real pricing real quick. Just not to the degree that thrill claimed in that post... that's just plain wrong.

[devout trail]

The PSVR2 is now working in windows! They got the DP Aux board done to fake the DSC signals so it will go into full VR mode in windows! Getting near that finish line woot woot! Can’t wait to try it out!

[rustic garnet]

With tracking and all?

[devout trail]

Yep! The tracking was done awhile ago I think almost 2 months or something like that.

Only thing that’s got me wondering is how and what all will be needed to use a PSVR2 on a windows PC. So far it’s looking like you’ll need the VL adapter to combine the DP and USB and then also whatever the final implementation of the DP AUX board is going to be.

[rustic garnet]

I imagine they'll combine the dp aux module and the virtuallink port into one part

This development has been shockingly fast considering how long it took the ps4 vr to be implemented

[lusty dagger]

If the Support is usable, that might be an actual good pcvr Option...

Considering that we basically only have shit currently.

[rustic garnet]

well .. Everything is either crap or ancient or super expensive

i miss the WMR philosophy of budget headsets as minmaxed as possible

[rose peak]

I was wondering, when it comes to halo style straps...how good are those for action/rhythm games? We currently have a Kiwi Elite Strap on our old headset, and we're planning on getting either a Bobo or Kiwi for the new one. Does the halo style slide around less? We've had issues with the headset sliding with the Kiwi

[little plinth]

yea i'm not trusting pico's new sleep mode

battery still drained to zero

i'll stick to power off

and i find it infuriating none of the standalone headset offer super fast charging

even my 3 years old S20 has 25W charging

[west fiber]

dam really?

[weak bluff]

Coming soon?

[little plinth]

no fucking way

i finally no longer need to be tied to my pc for it

eh

meh

standalone vrc sucked

[weak bluff]

This is probably result of vrchat updating to unity 2022

[little plinth]

but definitely excited as it means it's big enough of a platform

to be worth developing on

i guess?

[little plinth]

where you got the image from

[weak bluff]

From another person

I think it always was worth

But it just was not possible to publish Unity game under 2021 veraion

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53265564399_bb06f971b2_b.jpg<

[little plinth]

beat saber will never come to pico and it's a bummer

well

at least there's mutrix

and it supports beat saber maps

but mutrix is

harder

the hit detection is definitely not as forgiving

or maybe

i'm just used to PCVR's extra 40ms latency

[jolly rain]

I am a little unsure because if it is worth it because about quest two or quest free, I'm not really sure because I haven't been on the quest free for a very long time so I want to know

[little plinth]

quest free...?

[haughty thistle]

VRC on Pico standalone will defo not happen before the Unity 2022 update. 'cause 2019 isn't supported on Pico standalone, and neither does U2019 support OpenXR afaik...

And from what I understood from all the announcements from the VRC team, the Unity 2022 update is still quite some time away. They're only in the early days of public testing, heck they aren't even offering a 2022 SDK yet...

[rose peak]

We just jumped from the Quest 2 to the Quest 3, and it was certainly worth it...mixed reality is eh, but the lenses, the smaller headset, and the fact that we can play multiplayer now is awesome

[weak bluff]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1021000/iVRy_Driver_for_SteamVR_PSVR2_Premium_Edition/

Steam

iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR2 Premium Edition)

What is the iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR2 Premium Edition) DLC?• It is the FULL version of the iVRy Driver for SteamVR with PSVR2 support.What is iVRy (PSVR2 Edition)?• iVRy is a Virtual Reality headset driver for SteamVR for your Sony PSVR2 headset.What does that mean?• Want to play PC VR* (Virtual Reality) titles without having to buy another...

Release Date

Coming soon

[rustic garnet]

How do the psvr2 force feedback triggers feel?

would they even work in steamvr?

Like even provided ivry can interface with them is there any software support for this type of hardware at all

[haughty thistle]

They would not work in SteamVR. They require special support from games, and given that most games don't even support the G2 controllers (which are native PCVR), I doubt there'll be any special support for PSVR controllers on PC, prolly ever....

[little plinth]

i really can't wait for pico 5

MR seems

super interesting

on Quest 3

but of course i'm not gonna buy a quest

[sterile coyote]

I might wait for the quest 4 or get the bigscreen beyond if they ever make a second one.

So far I'm thinking of waiting about 2 years before i take the dive so they have eye tracking and mixed reality a perfected tech and it becomes reasonable.

I really like everything about the bigscreen beyond except for the fact that it is $1650 CAD.

Especially the size.

The quest 2 was a bit too chonky for me tbh.

Have been giving the 3 a thought but not for that price. maybe if $500 but not $650.

[haughty thistle]

There will always be a bulk penalty for having basically a whole smartphone inside your HMD. If you want something truely slim, the only option is to make it wired PCVR and use pancake optics (basically what the BSB is)

[weak bluff]

Never buy first gen product they say so I expect Beyond successor will be even better

[haughty thistle]

On the flip side, if no one buys the first gen product, it's unlikely that company will make a gen 2. And there are a lot of times where the first gen is actually pretty decent. Not always the case, but sometimes 😄

[warm stirrup]

Rift is a good example of this (if we are excluding the prototypes)

[sour quartz]

So uh... what are the chances my 6600 will run cyberpunk vr mod on a quest 2 through a front io port...

I've managed to do vr before through it (no mans sky) but its soo sketchy

Though given the sitVR controller method, im sure it'd be fine... right?

[rustic garnet]

how is that sketchy that's just how quest pcvr works

[haughty thistle]

Well, it is kinda sketchy for the Quest and Pico to use only USB or Wifi for VR...

But that's just limitation of that particular hardware

[little plinth]

is assassin's creed nexus gonna be Quest exclusive or what

i'm gonna be super pissed if it's another bullshit zuck move

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like it tbh

Then again, not every Quest exclusive was payed to be exclusive. Most of the times it's just devs being lazy a$$es...

[little plinth]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/869399197657959

that quest 3 SAO game people keep boasting?

in pico 4

obviously not as good as Q3 but

hey

it's like half the price

[weary lark]

hello I'm here to ask the LTT team for help I heard from one of your podcasts that you are in the prosses of reviewing the Bigscreen Beyond could you check if you can run deferent types compression on the headset the standard compression is DSC and that is not supported on the older gpus like the 1080 ti and I recently bult a new pc witch had a 4070 the god damn gpu decided to die within a month of using the pc so I'm stuck with my old crusty 1080 ti

from what I was told only DSC compression is officially supported but most vr headset drivers have a debug tool that can change these settings and I don't have the headset to accesses settings on the drivers nor do I know how to work debug tools

[haughty thistle]

DSC is part of the DP1.4 spec and is pretty much required to get these sorts of resolutions over DP at this point in time. It's not your usual compression like on the Quest where it's h.264 or something, DSC is implemented in Hardware only and is thus the only compression low latency enough to be visually transparent. You can't just turn it off.
The only reason the VP2 works on GPUs that don't have DSC is because it has a built in image scaler to upscale the image in the HMD. Usually a thing not found in VR headsets...

DSC is not an optional thing. If you want to get a certain resolution across (basically anything that's higher then what the Vive Cosmos has) you need DSC. The only alternative is to put in extra hardware into the HMD to upscale the image, which defeats the point of having such high res screens...

[weary lark]

oh I see tnx that's rely help full

[weary lark]

well I know it does have an upscaling chip that is used to run the headset at 90hz and when you run it at 90hz the resolution 1920x1920 per eye would that work without DSC?

[weak bluff]

Upscaling is a separate thing iirc

[haughty thistle]

That I'd not be so sure about. The spec sheet of the panels themselves say they only accept 1920x1920 at 90Hz and at native only accept a 75Hz signal. I'm not sure how exactly the BSB is wired up internally, but to me it sounds like the panels themselves are doing the scaling here and only from one fixed resolution...

[weary lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hitori-gotou-bocchi-rock-bocchi-the-rock-bozaro-cry-gif-26906525

man I don't get why this shit always happens to me I was so exited to buy it

[weary lark]

and you how do you know saltycube?

[weak bluff]

Where did that come from

[weary lark]

miss directed anger

[rustic garnet]

What's their native res?

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/CixLiv/status/1715625226711847327?s=20

[rustic garnet]

"the popularity of the Metaverse has cooled down rapidly" who could ever have seen this coming!!!!!!

[weak bluff]

Update; https://vxtwitter.com/CixLiv/status/1715676242375234011?s=20

[little plinth]

It's always some never heard of news outlet

Not to mention they're the only one that said so

Pico been pushing updates like no tommorow, working on their pico trackers, no way they'd just shut down.

And Pico is definitely more popular than it seems

Like on one of my home country they're very popular and not hard to find one

Mainly because alternatives like G2 simply doesn't exists

In china they're used everywhere especially in education

[slate ore]

https://youtu.be/rSpxn0oEtqI?si=udmaFLz5KAitEI3g

[pale oar]

I was wondering.. is there a vr headset which isn't so damn expensive that you can just connect to your pc to play under like 85 euros?

[tidal portal]

Second hand quest 2 would be the closest thing to that

[pale oar]

Isn't the quest standalone?

Wait... It's Oculus Quest 2?

Right?

I see only this for under 85 euros (1000 SEK)

It just says vr headset

No further description

[green agate]

not any more, they have changed the name. It's now the Meta Quest 2

[pale oar]

Yeah that's what I was just confused about lol

Ik meta quest 3

But then I see Oculus quest 2

So did meta buy oculus or something?

[green agate]

Some people just prefer to use the old name

[green agate]

yes, but even before the quest 1

[pale oar]

Yeah

So is the quest 2 good?

I'm trying to watch some vids

Ik the quest 3 is out now... But it was quite recent

So I'm guessing it's still decent

[green agate]

it's ok but I would recomend to save up a little bit more for the quest 3

[pale oar]

I really just need something that connects to the pc... I don't need standalone

[green agate]

The displays are way better and the gpu also

ah ok, yea but the display still is way better

[pale oar]

Yeah but it's like 7x the price of what I see here

I'm not really gonna use it for intense gaming or anything... Just to have fun..

[green agate]

But on the contrary, if use link, you can't get everything out of the displays bc of compression

[pale oar]

Oh

[green agate]

in this case it might be the better option

[pale oar]

I don't think I really want the best n all... Quest 3 seems unnecessary

[pale oar]

So the quest 2?

[green agate]

yes

[pale oar]

Is there something that's like around the same price and decent but new?

[green agate]

Not really

The Pico 4

But it has its own problems

[pale oar]

Oh

What's that

[green agate]

Like it is from Bytedance if u don't like China lol

[pale oar]

Okay... But is there any feature problems?

[green agate]

Well it's not really that cheap and I think I heard the sweet spot for the lenses are quite narrow

[pale oar]

Oh

[green agate]

But I think the quest 2 has more problems, so if u don't care about the lack of software in the pico ecosystem and u can find it cheap, I would recomend pico 4 over quest 2

[rustic garnet]

just for pcvr i suggest a second hand rift or vive

[gloomy crater]

Rift and Vive are good but they're outside tracked, so someone who just wants to connect it to a PC and do stuff with it probably aren't gonna want to set up base stations or trackers.

Rift S is inside out tracked for people who don't wanna set up external trackers, and it's cheap cause it's old, but it also has its own issues like the cables for it being impossible to find if they break

[pale oar]

Oh ok..

But that's still... Quite expensive

And 2nd hand ain't there either

[gloomy crater]

Yeah the quest 2 has been around for longer than the pico 4 has so there will definitely be more second hand Quest 2's

[vernal agate]

Anyone have the htc wireless adapter?

[haughty thistle]

✋

[haughty thistle]

What's your question? (feel free to ping me)

[vernal agate]

Thinking about getting it but i dont have a spare pcie slot. Would it be possible to convert an m.2 slot to pcie slot and use it that way?

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, as long as that m.2 slot has all 4 a PCIe lane available to it, it should work (it's PCIe afterall)

Reason I make this distinction is because not all m.2 slots have PCIe wired up to them

[haughty thistle]

Actually... no scratch that. As long as the m.2 slot has PCIe wired up to it and at least one lane is available it should work. Just remembered the connector card is PCIe 1x only xD

[rustic garnet]

Isnt that a 1x card

yesp

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, just corrected myself ^^"

[rustic garnet]

m.2-pcie is kind of an odd adapter to acquire and install but with a little bit of ingenuity it will absolutely work in the end

depending on your motherboard layout it could be much easier or much harder

[vernal agate]

What about signal integrity issues? Im only going about 1foot so i can get it outside the case.

[haughty thistle]

The Vive Wireless Adapter card is only PCIe 1.0 or 2.0 (can't remember which one), so it shouldn't be an issue

*shouldn't

goddamn' I can't think/type straight today <.<

[rustic garnet]

Really?

by 1x that's so slow ..

And it transmits a full uncompressed image right?

[vernal agate]

Where could i find an adapter that long?

My case is the nzxt h1 btw

[rustic garnet]

im not very keen on mounting pcie cards outside a case

what motherboard do you have

Oh mvm that's the little itx case

yea u might have to just let it hang free

[haughty thistle]

It does not. It uses DisplayLink tech for a barely compressed video feed. Wigig 1 only has a theoratical max speed of 8gbps, a far cry from the 18 or so that DP 1.2 alone has. The Vive wireless adapter basically presents itself as a USB 3 hub when connected, and the video feed is sent not to dissimilar from one of those USB video cards you can buy for an additional monitor or so. All they provide is a means to display a 2D image, rendering has to be done by another GPU.

Unlike the Quest which only uses like 200mbps to stay stable, the Vive WA uses I believe 4gbps of those 5gbps available (still has to leave some headroom for things like the stereo cameras and USB peripherals on the USB-C port). After all, it provides it's own USB 3 controller, so it can ensure that it can safely pull all this bandwidth without crashing (under the condition that there's no signal occlusion)

[vernal agate]

I just wish that htc would make a v2 that didnt require a pcie slot

And supported the full res of the vive pro 2

[haughty thistle]

Sure, under the hood it might be using USB, but if it relied on an already present controller on the board it'd be constrained by the same bitrate limitations as the Quest (as I believe starting with the XR2 Gen1, it's no longer an issue of how fast the SoC can decode the image, but how much data can be sent stable without crashing everything)

Tho I do agree to some point. My dream Wireless Adapter would just be like the Linkbox that comes with the headset. You plug in wall power and plug the box into a USB and DP port on your system. Then place it (or a seperate antenna) in a well visible point in your playspace as high up as possible and done. No need for fussing about with PCIe or even extra software (as pairing could be handled in hardware and as far as SteamVR is concerned the HMD is plugged directly into the PC)

[rustic garnet]

Wellwell i mean it's a lot closer to uncompressed full speed than the quest does

So the wireless bandwidth is still the limitation and they can get away with that grandpa interlink

[haughty thistle]

Not just that, the compression algo is purpose build for VR, with very low en-/de-coding latency, and no chroma or luminance artifacts (it does start to show some blocking; I believe it's less noticable on the OLED headsets as it discards half the chroma resolution in the outer edges

[rustic garnet]

That's cool

[vernal agate]

Would this work?
https://a.co/d/f5Sc1MW

[rustic garnet]

I would think so

Provided you have a M key m.2 slot

and check that you have an extra sata power plug on the psu

[vernal agate]

I believe i do.

[rustic garnet]

I would wanna keep the pcie card in like some kind of enclosure or at least maybe fixed to the outside of the case

So it doesn't just

dangle by a ribbon cable

[cedar belfry]

it's that time if year pretty soon and i haven't made extra costumes yet, sooo

[rancid kestrel]

Some people complain about bombs in Beat Saber, why's that?

[gloomy crater]

I personally don't have an issue with bombs because most of the time mappers can be trusted not to misuse them. But I think there's a general sentiment in rhythm games that people don't like it when the game punishes them for doing something, like hitting a note you're not supposed to hit, rather than not doing something like missing a note you're supposed to hit

There's another rhythm game I play where mappers ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be trusted with any sort of mechanic that punishes the player for hitting notes they're NOT supposed to hit. To the point that there are literally dozens of iterations of that same mechanic depending on the mod you're playing. Heartbreak notes, Stickybomb notes, Hellfire and Extinction notes, all of them do roughly the same thing- punish you if you hit them. It's infuriating. But that problem doesn't really exist in beat saber because mappers know how to behave themselves.

[rancid kestrel]

In Beat Saber it's just a skill issue. :V

[little plinth]

Waiting for twrp to make twrp for pico 4 lol

[lusty dagger]

Depends on how they are used.

I hate excessive resetting f. E.

On the other Hand i find it funny to swing in between bombs that are directly next to each other.

Worst thing there is f.e is bomb placement where you are basically forced to Hit thru the bombs to Hit your notes (aka forcing to tap).

[native goblet]

I was just looking about Pico headsets
First time finding out about this brand
How is it ? I hear they beat Metals Quest but I never heard of them before

[weak bluff]

They are not available in North America

[haughty thistle]

They also don't really beat the Quest. It's more like what a Huawei Phone is to an iPhone, if you get what I mean...

[native goblet]

Not really since I don't use iphones and hate apple

Well, actually very much like how I don't plan on ever using a quest and hate meta

[haughty thistle]

It very much feels like a knock-off Quest is what I was trying to say xD

Down to the cheaper material feel btw

[native goblet]

Damn

If only Valve could hurry the fuck up and announce the Deckard

[little plinth]

Many people who have both said the pico 4 is just plain better

Straight up getting compared to the quest 3

An accomplishment if you ask me

The only thing quest 2 has going is its standalone library

[native goblet]

Apparently the 5 crushes the Q3 tech wise
These are the leaks of the would be Pico 5

[little plinth]

Pico 5 leaks has no proper proof behind it

[native goblet]

I'm not planning on a purchase soon and I don't want to buy from Meta so remains to be seen

[native goblet]

Yeah, as I said, remains to be seen

Would be epic if that data was true though

Even if the PSVR2 is awesome, iVRy can only do so much in terms of support and bypassing Sony, hopefully Pico 5 is good so I can get one of these and enjoy full support

[haughty thistle]

Someone mentioned this graph was made up by a user on the Pico forums...

[native goblet]

Ah

Damn

Oh well

[haughty thistle]

Also, I'm not sure any panel of that resolution is actually in production right now, given that at this years display week companies were only starting to show off LCD panels with a resolution beyond 3000x3000. It usually takes at least a year and half or two between these sort of part demonstrations and an actual product using these parts going out in closed beta to devs

[native goblet]

Fair enough

Although, as I said earlier, remains to be seen

I plan to do beeg purchases 12-18 months from now, I can wait
I'm just taking my sweet sweet time informing myself to be satisfied with my decision later in when I pull the trigger on something

[cedar belfry]

depends on how they're placed

• bomb resets are fun
• bomb art is cool
• bomb spam is bad

it punishes the user if they're sliced, it's a nono note just like fruit ninja

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah bombs are good in Fruit Ninja too.

[sweet smelt]

God damnit BoboVR doesn’t ship to New Zealand

I’ll just wait until Kiwidesign comes up with something

[weak bluff]

You can buy equivalent from aliexpress just as good for cheaper

[native goblet]

What's bobovr

[gloomy crater]

A company who makes VR accessories

[raw grail]

Is there anyone here who has quest 3 and use it for vrchat pcvr?

I been thinking about getting it but very unsure if it's worth it due the battery life
I also heard using link cable or whatever it is
Does not charge fast for the quest 3

[weak bluff]

If battery life is your concern you should get extra battery pack

Link cable is a solution to improve image quality a bit. Quest 3 always have some kind of image compression happening that makes image blurrier due to compression.

[thorny ferry]

compression is there cable or not, with a properly set up network the wireless experience shouldn't be noticably different from link. 5v3A chargers are still not enough depending on the task. AR games REALLY hit the headset hard. PCVR streaming for me has been not as intense. your mileage may very depending on streaming quality/resolution you are doing. I get a slow drain using cheap 5v3a battery packs on PCVR, but it should be enough for most sessions. I have a big battery pack thats made for charging laptops and can dump up to 100w, it seems like that keeps it charged up fine, i just have to pocket the battery cuz its a big boi.

[raw grail]

Thats only 2 hours extra 4 hours is just legit bad
there must be something else

[weak bluff]

bigger battery

[weak bluff]

compression depends on situations some are not noticable some are very

in worst case scenario when you need very high bitrate the quality goes really bad

[raw grail]

I guess i go for the new index then
just to get something normal

[weak bluff]

wireless VR is a perk too and there are ways to minimize artifacts

[weak bluff]

I solve this by getting 10ft charging cable

but oh well

I sold my Quest 2 because I dislike artifacting

[raw grail]

what would a 10ft charging cable help with?

[weak bluff]

sorry i mean 16.5ft

enough to run around playspace while havign enough lenght

yes you can Quest link with it too

[raw grail]

Yeah but what would i need to plug it into?
My pc wont charge the quest 3 without draining it

[weak bluff]

yes i plug it tot he wall

not pc

[raw grail]

Ohhh

[weak bluff]

since plugging to PC drains the battery

[raw grail]

im a bit slow xD

[weak bluff]

i plug to the wall instead

there are actually solutions to this that I have not tested and i cant anymore

[raw grail]

I guess that would work
So i don't have to worry about headset dying

and cheaper

[weak bluff]

there are some link cable with external power that in theory should be able to charge while plug to pc

[raw grail]

So i just need a link cable and 16.5ft charging cable

[thorny ferry]

Most battery straps are a rip off for capacity. If you get a slim 10kmah battery and strap it to the back of a normal strap it does wonders for evening out the headsets weight and you're looking at closer to 8h run time total

I highly recommend against link if you can avoid it, being truly wireless really is just that much better for anything non-seated

[raw grail]

But can quest 3 even play pcvr wireless?

[weak bluff]

a third party link cable that is it

or a good wifi and a long charger

[weak bluff]

yes with good wifi

Wi-Fi 6E and Nvidia modern GPU recommended

[thorny ferry]

Yes it plays wirelessly fine

I dont even use 6/6e wifi

[raw grail]

Well to bad my room is pretty bad with wifi

[thorny ferry]

Cheapo dedicated 5ghz router is the way to go

[weak bluff]

at the price of cable i bought cheapest Wi-Fi 6 router just for quest 3

[weak bluff]

bought a used wifi 6 router just for that

[thorny ferry]

Also would recommend the tiny batteries i switched to these recently for most play sessions and have been a fan

[weak bluff]

wireless is awesome

feels free

but then it feels less free when i tried to enjoy beautiful Vket worlds or i just sit in 1 place without doing much

[raw grail]

so something like this?

[weak bluff]

that is one way

since you need link cable aand cant use wifi

buy a link cable that is actively powered liek this

https://www.amazon.com/Kuject-Separate-Charging-Ultra-Durable-Accessories/dp/B0BDRQCFSH

[raw grail]

Just $39.99 that's a good price
Thank you

[narrow iris]

What’s the best place to buy a VR headset?

Also, I bought a new foam face pad because I don’t want to experience secondhand eyebrow goo

[weak bluff]

Depends on what VR headset you want

if you are in country where Meta sells officially you can order directly from them

[sterile coyote]

What are you getting?

[narrow iris]

anything better then a quest 2

[sterile coyote]

Get a bigscreen beyond when it comes out 😈

💰

[sterile coyote]

Quest 3 came out not long ago, I suggest you get the elite strap or a third party strap since its not great for long play sessions if you get it.

You doing PC VR or stand alone?

I've heard good things about Bobovr's straps

[rustic garnet]

what's "better" to you

[narrow iris]

i use the bobo2

[narrow iris]

pc! ive never used the stand alone for any good reason

and i have a 3080+

i already have a quest 2

[sterile coyote]

if you have infinite pockets get the bigscreen beyond, otherwise get the quest 3

[narrow iris]

more fov/fps/tracking

[narrow iris]

i have a pc to trade for a used one and i can get a index for it rn

[sterile coyote]

the beyond has mini oled so it will look really good and they are custom fit to your face and its really small and light.

basically everything you would want for pcvr besides maybe inside out tracking

https://www.bigscreenvr.com/

You have base stations already?

either way I would watch reviews on both and make an opinion.

oh yeah i forgot it had a decent mic

I want to get it but i dont got that type of money

[weak bluff]

You need a balance

The best way to start this is

What is your budget and your PC specs.

After that we can determine some options and it will be like yes or no question

[burnt oasis]

is quest 3 worth the upgrade? i saw it's mixed reality and was shook, plus i hate the fresnel with a passion, i also don't like the fov and brick ness of the quest 2

i was thinking quest pro cuz it's better overall except it's mixed reality sucks dick

id also make use of the foveated rendering tho and i hate the LCD tbh

the screen door effect is fine ig

only thing is i want the mixed reality of the q3 but the pros is shit

[weak bluff]

will you use mixed reality few days then forget about it

[haughty thistle]

Every lens tech has it's downsides. Sure, Pancakes don't have those concentric rings that fresnel lenses have, but they still have glare from reflections in between the lens elements. Plus what I've noticed is that Pancake lenses tend to have a sort of halo-effect going on, wherein the edges of the lenses are noticeably dimmer then the center.
Not that Aspherics have any less problems. Good luck getting a decent distortion curve on those (because even just slightly moving the headset already visibly changes how the lens distorts the image).
Tho there's one thing that both Aspheric and Pancake optics do better: the area of the FOV that's in-focus. I'd say it's about 30-60% on fresnel, about 90% on pancake and 90-100% on aspherics (percent of FOV that's sharp and in-focus)

[burnt oasis]

is quest pro pass through much worse than quest 3?

cuz if it's relatively similar i'll just get the qpro for about the same price and enjoy the better contrast

[weak bluff]

why do you need good passthrough

[burnt oasis]

cuz i'm fine with the res i just really want more contrast and i assume the pancake clarity is fine on the quest pro

[haughty thistle]

Quest Pro Passthrough is basically just a slight improvement over the Quest 2, plus it's in color (tho just like VHS is in color; not really that great)

[burnt oasis]

honestly i don't have a large need for it but it would be great to experiment with it

[haughty thistle]

Quest 3 should be a lot better then Quest pro in terms of passthrough

[burnt oasis]

damn

im really going for pcvr so ig quest pro still

[weak bluff]

ok just wanting to experimenting sounds like i will use it day 1 then never use it again type of thing?

[burnt oasis]

no id use it more then that lol

[weak bluff]

if you get quest pro catch the cheap dumping price on like ebay

[haughty thistle]

I'll tell you this much: You will not get much of a benefit from the local dimming. In fact it causes a lot of blooming and doesn't really improve perceived contrast. More just adds additional artifacts and that's it

[burnt oasis]

that's what i was gonna do

[burnt oasis]

what's wrong with blooming

also with mods i can modify my bloom so does that make it not much an issue

[haughty thistle]

If you hate fresnel lenses for their glare, the local dimming will feel about the same

[burnt oasis]

and saturation

[haughty thistle]

That's how bad it is

[burnt oasis]

i don't care for the glare i just hate the blur

[haughty thistle]

Eh. If you do get a Quest Pro, be prepared for disappointment in terms of comfort. It feels good for about 5-10 minutes (just enough to feel good in a demo), and will quickly hurt on the forehead after that

[burnt oasis]

i heard quest 3 was worse

also i got no padding on my quest 2 just for more fov

[haughty thistle]

Even third-party padding will only marginally extend that time. I got the Globular Cluster one and I can only really comfortably use that thing for about 30 minutes before it starts to hurt. And unlike the Quest 3, you can't just replace the strap for a more comfortable one

[burnt oasis]

so i think i can tolerate the quest pro lol

actually it's less pressure now

[haughty thistle]

And I'm not alone with these issues lol

[weak bluff]

Quest Pro is a fast dying product

[haughty thistle]

It's only merit is the eye brow tracking. It get's trumped by the Vive Facial Tracker and Vive Pro Eye in every other regard lol

RIP VPE. Why did HTC have to discontinue you ;-;

[weak bluff]

Vive Pro Eye is an expensive collectors item now

[burnt oasis]

good

[weak bluff]

if you want cheap eye tracking i recommend DIY one https://docs.eyetrackvr.dev/

its not for foveated rendering (yet)

[burnt oasis]

then no thanks

[weak bluff]

i wish

but they plan so in far future

[burnt oasis]

i was gonna make use of my 3080 for it

cuz it's not crazy high end

but it'll work for 3840 x 1920 or whatever the red is

[weak bluff]

with the price of eye tracking headsets that extra money on headset could be used to upgrade PC

[burnt oasis]

except for quest pro

it's a $600 eye tracking and face tracking headset

[weak bluff]

or wait for PSVR2 get hacked

oh you hate fresnel then pass

[rustic garnet]

how r u gonna mod away bloom

[burnt oasis]

i have a mod that allows me to change the intensity of itb

in the game i main

[rustic garnet]

uh

Are you talking about rendered bloom

likw

like

the post processing effect

[burnt oasis]

idfk

it's skyrim vr mods

I can change interior brightness, exterior, moon, bloom, sat, and contrast with it

it works pretty well

it looks very fantasy on my monitor but looks more normal on LCD

without it it just looks very dull LCD

game changer

i tried upping the bloom but it was too much

[rustic garnet]

ok

Youre definitely talking about software post processing

The bloom chickenbread is talking about is inherent to the panels in the qpro

[haughty thistle]

Well, you can turn off that bloom in PCVR by telling VD or Link to disable Local dimming. Can't do that for standalone titles unfortunatly...

[native goblet]

it got hacke already

check out iVRy's last update

[weak bluff]

Its not finished

I already seen it

[rustic garnet]

They're pretty damn close though it seems

[weak bluff]

The dev estimate next year

I wouldn't call it close

[rustic garnet]

haven't they got display and tracking already

[devout trail]

It’s definitely close to being done. Everything is working in windows with just some eye tracking and hmd tracking being a bit off still. Only big issue left is what I’ve said a couple times now. It’s requires a second “dongle” along with the VL adapter to spoof the display driver through windows to force DSC. Didn’t take him even a year getting this far it’ll probably be finished near Xmas or shortly after. Everything works now it’s just the fine tuning left.

[haughty thistle]

They're mostly making the software more stable and defo still working on the hardware. Just because they got a working prototype doesn't mean they're done with it 😄

[devout trail]

Yep wonder what’s gonna be the end solution to that 2nd dongle. But the fact others can already use it in windows and Linux as well justly shows how close to it being finished.

Oh wait it’s controllers and eye tracking that’s still off not the HMD.

[sterile coyote]

Imo it’s leap and bounds better than the 2 and pro, has a WAY higher pixel density and very very slightly better fov than the pro with a refresh rate of 120 and passthrough is actually good if the lighting around you is at least decent

AFAIK the only thing you will be missing out on is the eye tracking

The automatic boundary is nice but it’s just a gimmick tbh

The pro has better contrast but it’s not enough in my opinion to beat all of the upsides just listed for the 3

[cedar belfry]

@sullen linden hahaha i take first again

[pliant topaz]

Im looking to get a vr setup for as cheap as possible. any recommendations?

[sterile coyote]

used quest 2

like $200-$250 CAD in my area

[pliant topaz]

anything besides the quest?

[sterile coyote]

not really.

vr isnt cheap except for used

[pliant topaz]

what about smth that isnt an all in one

[sterile coyote]

Where I live they are the best price used, unless you want a htc vive gen 1 for $300 I would suggest getting one of those.

actually that 150 isnt terrible

still go off of what the used market looks at your location rather than mine unless you live here

[sterile coyote]

Also you can use a quest for pcvr so it being all in one doesnt matter

[pliant topaz]

k thx

[weak bluff]

Your first time?

Hunt for HTC Vive or original Oculus Rift CV1

[pliant topaz]

for what?

[weak bluff]

They can be under $100 small cost to first experience before you upgrade

[weak bluff]

For VR

[pliant topaz]

ok

ive use it but never owned

[weak bluff]

For better specs but worse controllers try Windows Mixed Reality headsets

WMR is more plug and play less hassle setting up

[pliant topaz]

thx

[weak bluff]

As in i forgot to mention they all need a good PC to run

Otherwise go Quest 2

[little plinth]

@weak bluff u own quest2/3?

[weak bluff]

not anymore

sold it 2 days ago

[rustic garnet]

used rift or vive or windows mixed reality headset

[pliant topaz]

Ok

[little plinth]

Why the hell is my beat saber capped to 30 fps

This new steamvr update seems sus

Roblox vr is also hit in performance

[cedar belfry]

mine is still running at an average of 80-110

most recent steamvr and beat saber 1.28

[peak basin]

what th ebest vr headset 500 dollhairs

[glacial marten]

i get 120 thas weird

top left

[little plinth]

It's fine now

I got it fixed

[rancid lynx]

heya, does anyone know what the absolute cheapest set of basestation vr controllers is?

i broke both of my index controllers

[glacial marten]

nice

it says i average 104 fps lmao, i think its because my frame drops when i enter a song and then goes back to 120 in like half a second lmao

[gloomy crater]

I'd assume vive wands are the cheapest, but I'd just save up and get replacement index controllers

I broke both my controllers too, so now I'm trying to save up enough money to buy a new set. except they probably won't be mine for long since I'm planning on trading my entire index setup to my sister for christmas in exchange for her G2 which she hates and never uses because WMR crashes her computer

[rancid lynx]

oh god i think my gpu is dying

[weak bluff]

Vive wand is quite terrible

It is quite good for beat saber tho

[autumn sinew]

does anyone know how to change the virtual enviroment for the menu of the oculus go? (ping me with answer pls)

[torn gulch]

anybody know good co op vr games

[rustic garnet]

cant really think of any strictly co op games but there are a bunch of team multiplayer games

[sullen linden]

is there ANY possible way to avoid using the garbage oculus desktop app and still use oculus link

besides air link

I don’t have the internet or patience for air link

[weak bluff]

OculusKiller

Air link is very easy actually

But air link still uses Oculus dash but you can also kill that with OculusKiller

Or use VD

[sullen linden]

I’ll try it

[indigo sequoia]

Anyone with a bigscreen beyond?

[sullen linden]

quest 3 on linux?

[burnt oasis]

so i play skyrim vr, and i know skyrim vr with mods needs a lot of cpu cache, but also the ipc matters as well, andmaybe core count? what im asking is which would be the better choice, 5600x3d (the 6 core yes) for $300, or the 7700x for $100 more? yes this includes mobo and ram as well, microcenter deals.

[weak bluff]

5600x3d for $300 is quite pricey you are sure that is not CAD?

$230 is ok https://www.microcenter.com/product/674506/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-vermeer-am4-33ghz-6-core-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included

[cedar belfry]

hmmm yes thanks unity

[weak bluff]

its a no

[sullen linden]

yike

kvm it is

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1039243170430595173/1065036823807676506/C02ECC68-ACE2-4293-8992-BE67B45E6378.gif

[rustic garnet]

They said with motherboard and ram

[weak bluff]

Idk

[restive zodiac]

Is it a bad idea to go team red for vr? I saw a 6800xt for a decent price

I have R5 3600 and quest 2

[weak bluff]

They work but their encoder quite suck

[rustic garnet]

Can't you use cpu encoding for quest streaming?

[little plinth]

Very heavy

We made hardware encoding for a reason

I don't think it's even supported(?)

[weak bluff]

heavy and quality is bad

and you cant do that

[tawdry dove]

Does link use h265?

Looks like you can make it

[haughty thistle]

VD defo has a CPU encode fallback it uses on unsupported GPUs, as I've gotten VD to work using VMwares virtualized graphics in the past (which I can almost guarantee don't support HW video encoding)

[weak bluff]

Its hit or miss some people with RX 6500 XT cannot run Oculus at all

[rustic garnet]

well a 6500 is an incredibly cut down gpu

[little plinth]

Those poor people

The exact reason i never recommend that card even if "i don't need it"

It stings hard when you DO need it eventually

[weak bluff]

The problem with that card is its designed for laptop hence it has no encoder and rely on CPU iGPU encoder instead but AMD want to take advantage of GPU shortage so it was sold in PC form

[little plinth]

Guess people with intel non f system is still fine

But most of the time these 6500xt cards don't go there

[weak bluff]

The gpu that serve wrong purpose

[restive zodiac]

7800xt or used 3090

I will also have to get much beefier psu so i'm also taking that into consideration