#virtual-reality

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weak bluff
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in theory yes

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actually yes with mags

little plinth
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Hm nice

weak bluff
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It's not commonly used

little plinth
weak bluff
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Same reason why mags are not commonly used

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Plus BMI160 popularity

little plinth
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magnetic instability?

weak bluff
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Many people dont have stable magnetic environment

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And if they want mags well they pair with bmi or BNO085 all the way

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GY-87 is a cheap simple version that is alternative to MPU9250

little plinth
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is it better to record x264

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to not bother nvenc

little plinth
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but i think i will need to use X264 because that compression is ugly

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or maybe up the bitrate

weak bluff
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264 large data but low power usage

little plinth
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nvenc h264 looks like shit

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i wanna use HEVC but discord and youtube don't support it

weak bluff
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Well yes on top of licensing fees it also takes more power to decode them

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Thats why Youtube use VP9 royalty free

haughty thistle
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AV1 best codec. But if you think VP9 and HEVC are compute intensive, you haven't seen AV1 yet

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There's always a trade-off between encoder efficiency, and compute-power needed. Sure, a more efficient codec looks better at the same bitrate then a less efficient one, but the less efficient one also (usually) requires a lot less resources to compute and has thus a much lower latency

tawdry dove
little plinth
tawdry dove
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you get to use hardware accelerated encoding during the process and you get a more efficient encode via x264 veryslow or something like that

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much more efficient encode

weak bluff
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Youtube use AV1 probably because it is free

weak bluff
haughty thistle
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I gotta be honest, now's probably one of the best times for a VR enthusiast, at least in terms of hardware.
We got like 3 options in the high-end PCVR space, with more to come very soon. Especially for someone currently on the Index looking to upgrade the options look very enticing:

  • Bigscreen Beyond for small and lightweight
  • Varjo Aero for high Image clarity and good oobe
  • Pimax Crystal for the promise of Standalone + high-end PCVR
    And upcoming Somnium VR1 and possibly something new from Valve soon as well...
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All for very similar price tags

little plinth
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same for budget bois

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Quest 2, Pico 4, Quest 3

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Pico 5 is rumored to be true

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Reverb G2

rancid kestrel
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YouTube supports x265.

weak bluff
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Youtube supports uploading HEVC but not stream download HEVC

rancid kestrel
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That's not really a thing you need to care about when uploading.

rustic garnet
gloomy crater
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Same, I'd be absolutely stoked for that Aero price drop if I weren't incredibly curious on whether the somnium or whatever valve is putting out next will have all the features I want

little plinth
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Pico will copy meta with pico 5 controller

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Ringless

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Possibly gonna use Electromagnetic tracker

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Combined with IR leds and hand tracking

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Same EM trackers on Neo 2

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This will allow 6dof out of sight though at degraded quality

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As opposed to turning into 3dof controllers when out of sight

devout trail
# haughty thistle I gotta be honest, now's probably one of the best times for a VR enthusiast, at ...

Didnt you say you ordered a bigscreen? was wondering if you got the noticed that its shipped as I seen a noticed a couple weeks ago they started shipping orders out. I snagged a 2nd index for parts and extra uses so I wanted to know if you think getting the beyond would be a better choice than the aero. I hate having to piece together a setup but like others have said those are probably the 2 best HMDs and im just antsy about waiting for whatever the next valve headset is.

little plinth
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gonna delay my plan on making slimevr

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i figure getting a better GPU would be a better priority :P

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so i don't either vomit orrr

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deal with FSR

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god FSR looks like shit in VR

haughty thistle
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A. I'm in Europe, we don't get the BSB till Q4
B. No, I did not pre-order the BSB. It is certainly on my radar and I'm toying with the idea, but I'd rather wait first for general availability before jumping the gun 😄

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@devout trail in case you didn't see it ^

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I'm daily driving a Varjo Aero, which serves me plenty. I'm in absolutely no rush to get an upgrade from it. Sure, a smaller, lighter weight HMD for some games would be nice, but given that it has no Eye Tracking, it's certainly no replacement for my Aero in VRChat 😄

devout trail
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Yeah i remember you got the aero so i wanted to know if you think the aero is better to get now or shoudl i just order the bigscreen? Im just impatient lol I wants something better than the index HMD.

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Seems like the aero is gonna be the one to get! lol

haughty thistle
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It really depends on what you're looking for. Something with eye tracking, similar contrast at higher brightness and the sharpest image around or something with much better contrast and response times and being the lightest weight HMD on the market

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With the BSB you only have to bring your own headphones, whereas the Aero does expect you to bring your own mic as well btw. The Aero comes with a 4-pole headphone jack for an audio-headset while the BSB offers a single USB 2.0 Type-C port into which you'd have to plug in an active Type-C to headphone jack adapter for audio

weak bluff
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Both headset seems to be able to coexist. Each has pros and cons but their cons are strong.

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Eye tracking and high FOV is big

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But comfort and OLED is big too

devout trail
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Oh yeah im sure they both will. Just one wont exist for me once i get one of them lol I just want the best visual upgrade I can get. the aero looks really to go me compared to the bigscreen but of course I cant really decided until i atleast try one or both.

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Or if i can get rid of the extra older rift/s and quests I can maybe srounge enough to get the other. but not for a few months atleast.

weak bluff
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If I do actions like game and move around I would go Aero but if I just be lazy and play very long time I would go Beyond.

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Both will be a visual upgrade for you

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Even if one is better you still get big upgrade

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So that should be lesser concern

devout trail
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Yeah both would be great. I guess ill have to sit and weigh each a bit more before i pull the trigger but id like to make a decision by the end of the weekend. but chickenbreads the only one I know who has an aero....and no one in my family is past the simple awe of a quest 2 so im kinda roaming blind lol

little plinth
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oddly enough no one gave a shit about VR in my family kek

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even though no one tried

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well except my little brother but i think that first time motion sickness threw him off

devout trail
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yeah none of mine did. I had to basically force one on their heads....and then once they seen it in the actual VR HMD they were like wolves.

little plinth
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the biggest pain is always teaching the controls

devout trail
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ended up getting my cousin to ordered like 6 rift/s for them and they just got quest 2's a week or two.

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so now i have all the old ones and am trying to put together any full sets i can and resell them for cheap to get some upgrades for myself.

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controls werent too bad for them since all they play was beat saber, my uncle likes the golf game but hes a leave me alone lemme do it myself kinda guy lol

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says he loves it so i think he figured them out lol

little plinth
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one of my friends tried beat saber

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did well

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physically

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then

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i made him try pavlov

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nearly vomit

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and another one of my friend did slightly better
she's just slightly disoriented

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really shows the barrier in VR lol

gloomy crater
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Ha. Luckily, my family actually likes VR a fair amount. My mom has a Q2, and I gifted my sister a Reverb G2 to replace her old Quest last year. Except now I feel guilty bc I gave my sister her G2, and now it isn't working and causes her entire PC to freeze whenever we try to open WMR on it

little plinth
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because i won't have to lend them mine

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and risk them cough

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hitting the TV or something

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if they are interested however

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they gotta buy their own

gloomy crater
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I see it the opposite way lol, whenever I wanna upgrade, I can sell my hardware to my family members

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My mom's first headset was the Quest 1 I upgraded to my Index from, and most of her PC is comprised of my old parts. My sister's Board, CPU, GPU, Memory, and Power Supply were all parts that were previously in my system before upgrading. Makes it easier to just do that instead of selling parts to strangers.

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Most likely, when I replace my Index with whatever comes next, if my sister's G2 is still broken by then I'll offer to trade it for my Index so she has something that just works

burnt oasis
weak bluff
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Vive self tracker leaks $599 3x bundle price

gloomy crater
weak bluff
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Aero have better FOV and eye tracking something missing from Beyond

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
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Compatible only with Vive standalone HMDs at launch

little plinth
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DP making a comeback on Pico 5 Pro Max (lol name)

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8000 RMB

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Eye tracking

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Second gen pancake lenses

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Electromagnetic tracking, hand tracking, and infrared

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I want that shit

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It's planned to release next year december

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Still a while

little plinth
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holy

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Pro Max resolution is wild

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3840x3840

haughty thistle
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This chart was apparently made up by some dude on the Pico forum

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The guy did it because apparently in that forum you can get points for well liked posts, and you can trade these points for physical rewards?

weak bluff
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Vive self tracker: $600
vs
(Valve) Lighthouse 2.0: $150 x2
Vive tracker 3.0: $130 x3
= $690

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technically cheaper

burnt oasis
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then that's even less reason to spend more than double on a bulkier headset with less contrast

burnt oasis
little plinth
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Yes but take it with a grain of salt

burnt oasis
little plinth
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Display type not listed though

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Oh nvm

burnt oasis
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they all say lcd

little plinth
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The left I'm blind

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Two 4k displays wouldn't be too hard

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And i guess that's why they include DP

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LCD is cheap of course

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Though we'll just have to wait for more reliable information

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I do hope it's true lel

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I already invested in the pico ecosystem so ye

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And i love pico's less restrictive OS

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So if I'm upgrading I'd prefer another pico

haughty thistle
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People completely ignore me 😔

haughty thistle
burnt oasis
haughty thistle
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Maybe because we don't have OLED on glass that dense. Even OLED on Silicon can't be made that dense yet. The densest we have are what's going to be in the Apple Headset, and it looks like Apple is literally buying up all capacity for that panel lol

weak bluff
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They don't even have enough capacity for themself

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And Apple is like best in industry in supply chain

little plinth
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mm can someone explain lol

little plinth
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@weak bluff what is the jack name again

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for aux tracker

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i'm about to order them

little plinth
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anyway

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i'm probably ditching the magnetometer

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because my brain is absolutely burned already

native goblet
# little plinth

I still have the hope that the PSVR2 will get decrypted eventually

haughty thistle
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The iVRy dev did got it working most of the way, but all on Linux and it required a modified AMD driver to force it to allow DSC even on displays that don't advertise it in their EDID. This is really the crux of the PSVR2, it doesn't advertise in it's EDID that it supports DSC, but it's required to get it into VR mode. And because GPU drivers don't allow you to force a DSC signal it can't be done in a plug-n-play manner. At least not on Windows or with any propriatary driver...
They did say they plan on selling a physical device that you'd plug the PSVR2 into, and not only would it package a DP and USB signal into a VL signal (which you'd need anyways if you don't happen to run a 20-Series card), but would also fake the EDID table sent by the PSVR2 to include DSC support, bypassing the driver limitation.
Tho the same guy also did take a break because he got basically burned out by all the people on Twitter either saying he was faking it or should just hurry up and release his stuff already. Afaik he hasn't returned to this project in over a month now...

weak bluff
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JST 5pin 1.25mm for cheesecake

little plinth
weak bluff
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Uh

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You are not doing straight write?

little plinth
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Doing what

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I'm not gonna use any PCB by the way

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Jus

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Wire it manually

weak bluff
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use any jst port you want

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or just straight wire

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no need port

devout trail
# haughty thistle The iVRy dev did got it working most of the way, but all on Linux and it require...

He actually didnt stop at all. He ended up putting much more effort into his patreon account and stopped posting twitter updates as much because of all those threats. They are currently working on a board to basically act in between the PSVR2 and the PC to force that DSC mode that it normally reports to not work. But yes pretty much around 90 percent done and the only thing left really is to finish the driver for the windows side use once they get that board finished. They even posted a couple days ago on twitter two about the DP aux board in development. I still remember thinking this will be cracked before xmas of this year. Looking like its going to be true! Im excited!

tranquil girder
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glad I got that RAM upgrade

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little plinth
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can't wait until pico 4 custom roms become a thing lol

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pico 4's android is about as free as regular ones

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you can enable OEM unlocking in the settings but of course there are no rooting methods yet

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There's "device status: locked" but I didn't get it

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In the shot

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now there's no TWRP for pico yet so well

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not yet

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but unlocking bootloader should be as easy as a regular old android

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but i'm not made of money

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and i am not gonna risk bricking my pico

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though wish someone would test adb fastboot eventually

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someone with disposable picos lol

little plinth
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well fuck this is lame

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rustic garnet
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What is that

little plinth
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the wireless earbud with 2.4GHz dongle for low latency audio

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dongle looks like this

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but shit

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no data

rustic garnet
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Oooo

little plinth
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and i use my pico 4 via ethernet

rustic garnet
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So u don't have to use Bluetooth

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Cant you get a usb c hub

little plinth
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i already have a jank ass dongle

rustic garnet
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what would happen if the render framerate was unlocked

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i mean in flatscreen games you'll get lower latency and smoother motion

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but

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in vr where you kinda need to know where everything is at any given time and especially on frame present

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would it just make the world seem jelloy?

sullen linden
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I got the 5k super like 3 days ago, and I am DEFINTILY having some issues as expected, but man that fov is hard to pass up. I appreciate all the info and help 🙂 and yes I am on a different account becuase mine got deleted. Overall I am very happy with buying the 5k super, definitely an upgrade over the quest 2

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Speaking of problems!

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I can't get bonelab to work for the life of me

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first it was that black screen problem

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fixed that

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now I just see my own body and it doesn't load

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i'm gonna keep trying stuff and see how that goes

tawdry dove
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it would just feel better and look more smooth

rustic garnet
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So why don't they do that

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Just because maintaining 90 is demanding enough?

sullen linden
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now theres another problem!

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I can't move my arms

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I can move my hands

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no

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not even my hands

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just my fingers

sullen linden
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nevermind!

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got that fixed

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it's just problem after problem 😭

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but it is so godf

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good

haughty thistle
# rustic garnet Just because maintaining 90 is demanding enough?

You don't want screen tearing in VR. I've had something like that happen to me when I tried the Pimax 8k X, worst VR time I've had to date.
Yes, there's Nvidias triple buffer thing, but in case you didn't know, VR is already doing that. The game renders frames as fast as possible and then the compositor will run it's ATW Algo on top to make it seem like the frame was rendered from the position the headset will be in by the time the next frame gets shown to the user.
Unlocking the frame rate would just sap away resources the compositor needs for running ATW on top of every rendered frame...

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Plus VR headsets use Black Frame Insertion or backlight strobing to only flash the image to the user for a tiny moment, so there isn't any latency advantage to be had with unlocking frame rate anyways. These are not your typical monitors that show an image all the time 😄

rustic garnet
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that's something like what i figured yeah

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Do all hmds use bfi?

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But it's kinda so crazy how different vr is in every stage of the development pipeline than flat games

haughty thistle
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BFI is on OLED on LCD it's Backlight strobing, but yes, ever VR HMD uses that

rustic garnet
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Why? just to reduce motion blur like a regular monitor? Or does it effect vr especially bc your view is always moving

haughty thistle
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The motion blur affects VR disproportionately bad. The PSVR2 doesn't do as much BFI as other headsets and people have reported really blurry experiences. And that's still with the screen active only 20% of the time (just to name an example of why you want BFI/Backlight strobing in VR)

lusty dagger
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If the Index actually flickers like you say, its pretty weird that it still can get that bright

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Coz like on a screen, even a pretty bright one, backlight flicker trashes the Total brightness - so ye.

haughty thistle
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The thing is, anything will look bright to your eyes if you don't have any direct frame to reference. The Index afaik is only 120nits. Sure, for running a duty cycle of less then 10% on it's backlight it's incredibly bright, but for a monitor it's miserably dim...

lusty dagger
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On max brightness its supposed to be 160 nits?

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Well okay, my Main screen with 400 seems relatively bright to me - so yea it might actually fit.

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(btw im talking Overall, not like hdr where i want a lot more xD)

cosmic monolith
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My index controllers are crippling my wifi, can anyone help me fix this?

next echo
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the hopium is real bois

weak bluff
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new nice ui

cedar belfry
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wish they didn't hide the ipd slider for oculus because mine doesn't, so hopefully there's a force option

next echo
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what hmd do u have?

cedar belfry
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quest 2

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my ipd slider thingy disappeared after an update and never came back, unsure why, but i can't be bothered to try to fix it

next echo
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ive never had a problem with the IPD

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im also on q2 but ive never seen oculus or steam mess up with the wrong IPD

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or maybe ive been supposed to actually set it manually and im just stupid which is not out of the question

gloomy crater
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What?

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Why would the Quest 2 have an IPD indicator when it's just three static settings

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It's kinda hard to change the IPD on accident so I'd assume you just set it to the one that's closest to you and leave it there

weak bluff
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It could be for Rift S since that uses software IPD settings in Oculus software

gloomy crater
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I meant for the Q2 specifically, yeah it'd be broken if you couldn't see that info on a headset with a traditional IPD setup

next echo
# cedar belfry i like the new ui

finally got to try it and its pretty good, jsut wish that they let you filter the vr menu to only have the games you have installed

cedar belfry
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so make a group

haughty thistle
rustic garnet
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which of their headsets even have physical ipd sliders?

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only the og rift and quest 1 right?

haughty thistle
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The Quest Pro doesn't have a slider per-say, but you're supposed to just stick your fingers in through the open bottom and slide the lenses to the correct IPD

lusty dagger
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Or just take it off and back on cause there are only like 3 settings

haughty thistle
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Quest 2 is the only stepped IPD adjustment on Meta Products

lusty dagger
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Ah you talk q pro

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Nvm then

haughty thistle
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Quest Pro is stepless, just like the Quest 1 and Rift CV1. Just without the slider lol

lusty dagger
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Wait... Q pro you can solide steppless without a slider? Tf.

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Did the rift s have fixed?

haughty thistle
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Yup

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Rift S and Oculus Go both had a fixed IPD with a software adjustment

lusty dagger
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Ah Software it was.

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But to be fair, it was still quite usable

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But ye.

rustic garnet
haughty thistle
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I mean... the Quest Pro was designed with no light guard in mind, so you could easily just stick your fingers in and move the lenses directly. But I do agree that it's kinda meh...

rustic garnet
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that's even worse

lusty dagger
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The outer shell not planned yet lmao

rustic garnet
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imagine valve releasing their new headset and like half life alyx 2 now in november for the original half-life's 25th anniversary

weak bluff
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no way forget it to avoid extreme disappointment

rustic garnet
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a girl can dream

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I do hope that they do something for the hl1 anniversary at least

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it's such a good game still

burnt oasis
gloomy crater
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At this point, there's so much workshop content for HLA that valve wouldn't have to make another installment and you'd still probably never run out of content

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That's sorta where bonelab failed. They charged $40 for a game with less than half the base game content under the pretext that it'll be like gmod, a base layer to build upon and make whatever you want in the game, and then they never updated it or worked on it, the modding experience sucks, and it's just genuinely not worth the money when HLA exists for people who want fan created story content, and boneworks exists for people who want physics gameplay

rustic garnet
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the year of the gamer

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woooo!!

weak bluff
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They will do nothing but a tweet. The end. Probably

sullen linden
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Guys I have a question: I’m gonna get FBT for VR for VRCHAT. should I get a Quest 3 or Steam Index? Money is not a problem.

little plinth
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i mean if money is not a problem obviously some crazy shit like varjo aero and a full set of vive trackers

weak bluff
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Don't buy Index new for sure

little plinth
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idk why the quest 3 would even be in the consideration kek with unlimited budget

sullen linden
little plinth
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how much even is the aero nowadays @weak bluff

weak bluff
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$999

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sorry

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$990

sullen linden
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I’m thinking of how small the quest 3 is, I can’t take really heavy headsets.

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And I just sold my last HMD (Q2)

little plinth
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Q3 is about as heavy

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it's slimmer but it still has the headachinator strap and front heavy

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if you really want light

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bigscreen beyond

weak bluff
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Ill call it BB

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BB is great comfort great for me but im not buying it until there is first discount and paycheck

sullen linden
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What about VRCHAT? Just run it like normal thru SteamVR?

little plinth
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yep

sullen linden
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ok bet, is BB on Amazon?

weak bluff
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no

sullen linden
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Ok. Where?

weak bluff
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on official website

weak bluff
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what feature do you not want to have

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base station? wireless? OLED?

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you want light or balanced heavy weight

sullen linden
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I want it to work haha

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With FBT

weak bluff
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FBT is better accessable without base station nowadays and no im not talking just slime

sullen linden
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Ok

weak bluff
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I have some several combo for that

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Comfort VR: Bigscreen Beyond + Base Station 2.0 x2 + Tundra Tracker x4
Quality and active: Varjo Aero + Base Station 2.0 x2 + Tundra Tracker x4

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neither have good audio option and 3rd party body strap is recommended for body trackers

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Wireless: Index + Base Station 2.0 x2 + Tundra Tracker x4 + Nofio Adapter
OLED alternative Wireless: Vive Pro + Base Station 2.0 x2 + Tundra Tracker x4 + Vive Wireless Adapter (Not recommended)

haughty thistle
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I'd honestly say, rather go for a Vive Pro 1 + Lighthouses + Index Controllers + Tundra Trackers + Wireless Adapter for Wireless. Imo the Vive Pro HMD is better then the Index (if you're fine with using your own audio-headset)

weak bluff
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this year have a lot of new things that will shake ideal options

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There is the rumour of Nofio making BB wireless adapter

haughty thistle
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True, true. I still have some hope that Valve does an Index announcement reloaded and just drops Deckard during the Meta Connect

weak bluff
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valve wants to do the funny again right at Meta event or im just gaslighting myself

haughty thistle
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We'll see, but I hope so

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They've been crunching something lately, plus there's that wireless certification they got in SK...

weak bluff
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It's VR related riiiight...?

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and the Beta 2.0.1 timing

haughty thistle
# weak bluff It's VR related riiiight...?

Highly likely. It just wouldn't make sense for them to make another Steam Deck so close to the original one, and the control boards also don't make sense for a controller or tablet...

weak bluff
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maybe VR capable console

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and Index at half price

haughty thistle
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Here's the thing: whatever this is, it's supposed to have 3 controller boards as part of the main unit.

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A left & right controller + one in the main unit

weak bluff
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how fast can you go from hiring OLED expert to production

haughty thistle
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I dunno tbh

weak bluff
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it seems too fast for valve

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i cannot believe it

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maybe valve is making a console plus 2 hand controller

haughty thistle
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We'll see whatever it is when it drops

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It just wouldn't make sense for them to release a VR focused console without having any recent VR hardware on the market...

weak bluff
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I see too little leak to be close unless Valve is that good keeping secrets

haughty thistle
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Valve is actually really good at keeping secrets. Turns out, if the people working for you like you, then they won't break NDA. Same with the Bigscreen Beyond. We didn't know it even existed until the official announcement lol

weak bluff
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I think BB is unfair since no one really expects them making vr headset

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Valve is full spotlight

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incentivises leakers if they know anything

haughty thistle
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The only reason we knew of the Index before it's announcement was because one dude posted pics....

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But it was litrerally juist 2 pics and that was it

weak bluff
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Meta has the worst kept secrets

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someone already even got Quest 3 at home

warm stirrup
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I just got to the meta connect stream, did I miss anything?

weak bluff
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it just started not even minute

haughty thistle
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Nope. Was delayed like 33 minute

little plinth
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zuck VR print

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weak bluff
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he had to delay 30min to reread script how to act like human

warm stirrup
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Lmao, at least I don't miss the quest 3 announcement

weak bluff
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well it was long ago

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This is so odd Qualcomm have not announced XR 2Gen 2 and Meta is just announce like this?

warm stirrup
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"Hand tracking is pretty good" this doesn't sound extremely professional lmao

haughty thistle
warm stirrup
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At least they have a depth sensor

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Yoo the picture frame things, pretty cool

weak bluff
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eventually

little plinth
weak bluff
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HERE

little plinth
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unless you wear that shit all the time

warm stirrup
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Snapdragon xr2 gen1

weak bluff
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THEY SAID IT

haughty thistle
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Basically Meta be like "Hey, we can do all the things that Apple can, but cheaper" Thinkabtit

warm stirrup
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Gen2

haughty thistle
warm stirrup
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There it is

weak bluff
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and QUALCOMM have not ANNOUNCED IT YET

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what

warm stirrup
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OK assassins creed confirmed even more

haughty thistle
weak bluff
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NDA kicks until now

warm stirrup
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Why the crowd cheer for horizon content

weak bluff
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You can put video on the wall
Audience: WOOOOO

warm stirrup
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Lmaoook

haughty thistle
#

Yeah that Audience seems like a bunch of Meta Employees or people payed by Meta lol

warm stirrup
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They do honestly

haughty thistle
#

Wow. Meta cancelling Oculus for Business. a year later "We now introduce Meta Quest for Business"

warm stirrup
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Someone looked so dead in the crowd XD

little plinth
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Quest Pro users getting cucked ngl kek

haughty thistle
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The QP still has Eye and Face Tracking, neither available of the Quest 3

warm stirrup
weak bluff
warm stirrup
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Oh no here we go about ai

haughty thistle
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Y'know, before the Aero had it's price-cut, the Quest Pro was pretty much the only "affordable" Eye Tracking headset...

little plinth
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what i'm hoping is Quest 3 VRC is better

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my BF has the Q2 and wanting to go to Q3

weak bluff
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i though the rumours are fake

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it is 110

little plinth
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that's wide

weak bluff
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and this is not bs diagonal FOV its horizontal

warm stirrup
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Damn

haughty thistle
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If Pimax and the Vive Pro 2 have tought me anything it's to never trust an FOV number given by a manufacturer...

little plinth
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i will be waiting for review

warm stirrup
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Doesn't it also depend on person to person technically?

little plinth
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i been wanting a 3080 but i think that will wait Among_sus

haughty thistle
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Evene with H/V seperate numbers, these numbers are usually way higher then anyone can actually experience...

haughty thistle
warm stirrup
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Yeesh

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The release date is October 10th right?

haughty thistle
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I'd assume the lenses on the Q3 are identical to the QP and thus I'd assume the FOV numbers should be pretty much identical...

haughty thistle
little plinth
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pre order now, ships on 10th

weak bluff
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Virtual Desktop recently added AV1 support for Quest 3 so we will see good or bad

little plinth
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fucking bing clone

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warm stirrup
little plinth
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oh

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partnership with bing and ms

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no wonder

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"settle debate really quickly"

warm stirrup
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Lol, why would Microsoft want to work with fb to make a clone of their product

weak bluff
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why are they selling unmatched colour face cover

pjL6oJ4.png
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also it is 12g heaver than Quest 2

warm stirrup
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The different ais are creepy af

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Wtf are these

little plinth
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don't let meta cook again

warm stirrup
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Can't promise much uh oh

little plinth
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is zucc not dying inside

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yep

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definitely was

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cringe overload

warm stirrup
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This feels really dystopian

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The Rayban ask what you are seeing thingy reminds me of the 3ds feature where it would do the same thing in a certain museum

haughty thistle
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These are soooo gonna get clapped by EU privacy laws. Always recording cameras are a big no-no in a lot of countries here. To the point that even Dashcams are illegal in some countries

warm stirrup
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Oh boy that's going to be fun XD

dull tide
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Honestly was worried for a while this might be the 'last' quest HMD

warped cairn
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people pretty much only cared about the quest 3

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my gripe with the quest 3 is that it seems like they put passthrough as a huge focus for everything, but pretty much no one will use passthrough besides guardian

weak bluff
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Dual display

burnt oasis
# weak bluff

q3 has better res battery and pass through than qp lol

scenic oxide
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my towns tax dollars have been invested into a $2500 vr, and its only ever been used to play steam games

haughty thistle
rustic garnet
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omg great minds think alike

haughty thistle
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xD

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But yeah, I'd not be surprised if the Q3 controller tracking isn't all that stellar compared to previous headsets, because clearly you're supposed to use this headset with hand tracking and not controllers. They only exist for legacy apps...

rustic garnet
scenic oxide
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I can send a pic tomorrow if U like

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If there just gonna use it as a PC VR for games, just get a quest 2 of Pico 4

rustic garnet
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kinda an L take

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for only pcvr specifically both of those are kinda ass due to compression and stream latency

scenic oxide
weak bluff
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i thought Apple competitor woudl be Pro 2 they are planning

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also Qualcomm finally announced it https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/xr-vr-ar/snapdragon-xr2-gen-2-platform

Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 Platform

The Snapdragon® XR2 Gen 2 Platform unlocks breathtaking new worlds. This new premium tier, purpose-built platform powers thrilling virtual reality to high-fidelity mixed reality experiences. The Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 single chip architecture is optimized for breathtaking visuals, intuitive interactions and is extremely power efficient - eliminati...

haughty thistle
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With things like automated room setup, anchored video players and other elements in Mixed reality, etc...

weak bluff
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u9_Q4YxDU

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Snapdragon
Explore Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2, the platform for immersive and true-t...

Prepare to unlock a new level of mixed reality (MR) and virtual reality (VR). The Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 Platform builds on the previous generation with 2.5x better GPU performance and 8x better AI for a more breathtaking new worlds, unlocked.

This new platform will power the next generation of leading MR and VR devices, starting with the new Met...

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rustic garnet
haughty thistle
weak bluff
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Meta needs custom very fast SoC not repurposed 8 Gen 2 or smartphone SoC to beat Apple

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Maybe Oryon CPU in future?

haughty thistle
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The Quest 3 was marketed like the AVP, but cheaper. Who knows where this'll end tbh

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Still looking forward to whatever Valve had received Wireless Certification last month...

zinc timber
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The vision pro is tech wise fucking nutty
Which is why it's so expensive

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Meta couldn't ship quest pros at MSRP, they're not going to make somethingeven more expensive

weak bluff
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yes and there is nothing that is trying to beat Apple performance

haughty thistle
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The Apple headset is more of a Hololens competitor anyways...

little plinth
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a little compression is tolerable

rustic garnet
haughty thistle
# little plinth a little compression is tolerable

It is not when darker scenes turn into a single colored mush and you can't see anything. 'tis is my personal experience playing Derail Valley on my Quest Pro. Was pretty much blind during the night with that headset...

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(and mind you this was with VD in h.265 mode)

little plinth
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i mean, considering you have multiple thousand buck headset i'm not at all surprised your perception will be... elite

haughty thistle
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thanks for reminding me that my 2k investment was slashed by half it's value a few weeks ago

weak bluff
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early adopter pain

haughty thistle
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Hey, at least I had the pleasure to use this thing for the past 1.5 years. I think it's still very much worth it, given that actual competition for it is only coming out now...

weak bluff
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This is why im not buying BB until successor or discount come

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first gen product are always like that

rustic garnet
little plinth
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but then the Q2 and Pico is often found below 400

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Q2 in particular dropped to its original 299 price

lusty dagger
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I prefered the rift s over the q2 still.

Just as an example.

weak bluff
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Agree and I am switching Quest 2 to Rift S

little plinth
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either not priced appropriately or worse than G2, straight up not available

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like some bitch reseller selling it for $1k on my place

weak bluff
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Its discontinued

rustic garnet
#

the rift cv1 is still so fucking good 😩& can be had for a a pair of hundreds if you're lucky

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like the displays and optics are a bit outdated and inside out tracking can be subjectively considered a pro or a con but overall it's a nice kit

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ofc it is VERY eol and the hardware has some known common points of failure but if you just take good care of it

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i got mine used ??three years ago?

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yeah mustve been bc it was when alyx released

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and its doing fine

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But im gonna get whatever valve has been cooking up latley

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Well i say that like a valve fanboy with no critical eye whatsoever but what i mean is i really trust that they're gonna cook up a banger

deep yew
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Yeah, their next headset is my planned upgrade for my Index unless they somehow fuck it up but I don't think Valve would release a new headset that was mid at best

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they're very intentional with their products about having a set purpose

rustic garnet
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Yeah exactly if there's one word to describe valve's products it's "deliberate"

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Products also including games that is

little plinth
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I decided to not build the slimevr for now

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I can imagine it'd be a pain in the ass and I'm not playing enough VRC to justify

rustic garnet
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mhm fullbody is really cool but there's just not enough software support for it

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i tried it with apriltags a couple months ago

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and it was kinda shitty (as i expected) but it did work

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but i do not play enough vrchat to keep what is essentially garbage saved from recycling around in my room

little plinth
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Might as well put the 60 bucks into something else

rustic garnet
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I think it would be a fun learning experience

little plinth
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Yeaa if it's free

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But even DIY it'll still take 50 or 60

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For the parts and soldering kit

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Plus AliExpress takes forever to ship

weak bluff
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People are trying to dump Quest Pro on ebay as low as $500

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reminds me of 2080Ti selloff before 3070 and gpu shortage

warm stirrup
#

Damn

gloomy crater
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Reminds me of all the Ryzen 3000 processors that popped up on ebay literally as the Ryzen 5000 announcement was going live

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So is the new steamvr UI different enough to warrant opting into the beta just to test it, or should I just wait for the full release

rustic garnet
gloomy crater
#

For all the people who snagged a 20 series card from people thinking they'd drop in price after the 3000 series came out, only for them to shoot up in price because of the shortage instead

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person I know had a 1060, and upgraded to a 2080 super someone listed for $500 in between the 3000 series announcement and launch, which was good at the time, even moreso once the shortage began

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
little plinth
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Pico 4 pro has face tracking right

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AliExpress has them for cheap and I'm tempted lol

haughty thistle
#

It does, but it requires the use of the Pico Streaming Assistent (which is absolute Ass in my experience)

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sidenote, I was totally expecting that message to be clapped for that word but apparently not

little plinth
#

The SA one isn't so bad as recent updates improved it (still prefer VD)

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Though I'm more worried about the firmware

haughty thistle
#

You have to keep the China domestic FW on it, as the international FW doesn't support the Face & Eye Tracking hardware. You can flash the P4 Enterprise software on it, but at that point you might as well buy a P4 Enterprise in the EU...

little plinth
burnt oasis
weak bluff
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Main justification was efficient and newer hence support longer

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But i would never

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Especially VR

burnt oasis
burnt oasis
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3070 is limiting for vr

weak bluff
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Support as in driver update

burnt oasis
#

idc about that if the card stutters like shit at higher resolutions

weak bluff
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I am not part of it i just report what happened

burnt oasis
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my 6650xt sits at 7800- the full 8gb of vram in games already

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only vr tho at least but i play very old 1440p titles so it's not fair

weak bluff
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I hit 7.8GB vram until I used OculusKiller

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Very quality

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Its godsend

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I overexaggerated that but it did save me vram

little plinth
#

i will try to get GeForce Now on this shit later

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and probably also aurora store

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this thing is very free kek

burnt oasis
#

also gave nasty screen tearing for me

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like a super screen tear flicker in vr

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99% of the world would get sick from it

azure cradle
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What’s the best VR headset to watch educational 360 degree videos?

gloomy crater
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Pretty much any headset, since 360 videos mostly don't require 6DOF to watch

weak bluff
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literally a phone on cardboard

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maybe treat yourself with 1440p screen like Galaxy s8

little plinth
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https://youtu.be/nxXVQYW2qTU?si=4X_z4kRO5BpXEO_y

YouTube
Meta Quest
Out of Scale - a Kurzgesagt Adventure | Coming Soon | Meta Quest 3

Coming this Fall to Meta Quest 3, the YouTube hit - Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell, a fully immersive educational game that transforms the iconic look and feel of their 2D videos for users to explore and learn about the concept of scale. In addition to the core VR game, users will have the opportunity to join the multiplayer theater to watch Kurzges...

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Another cool game

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Locked out behind meta damn ecosystem

zinc timber
#

In terms of cost and returns there's no contest

haughty thistle
#

At least, this is how they've been doing it for "I expect you to die" and AmongusVR...

little plinth
#

but i hope it comes to steam

weak bluff
#

Its common to have game exclusive on Meta nowadays

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Likely because putting on Steam will require more resources and time to support for too little userbase especially if your game is not demanding

haughty thistle
#

Not to mention that Meta likes to sponsor games, which in no doubt incentivises devs to publish for Quest exclusively

little plinth
#

which is shitty for the remaining of the industry

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a future where all new games only release on meta is

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dark

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stuck on standalone shitty graphics
stuck on meta library (library go die if dare switch headset)

weak bluff
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Pico is trying it themselves they are giving bounty iirc

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Im fantasizing Valve making a translation layer to run all Meta Android app on their future standalone devices like how they did with Windows games

velvet zealot
#

That looks awesome

strong vortex
zinc timber
rustic garnet
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It's literally in the name WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator) which is the piece of open source software Proton is based on

strong vortex
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Proton's just a translation layer, getting an Oculus game, which is basically an android app so likely ARM, to run on an x86 system

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is extremely likely to need full emulation

rustic garnet
#

oh you mean an android app needs to be emulated

rustic garnet
strong vortex
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Yeah, unless the standalone device Valve makes is arm/android-based, it's not gonna be just a translation layer

rustic garnet
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didnt microsoft just recently make android apps run on windows

tacit iris
#

looking into VR headsets: specificly, the quest 2. Couple of questions if you don't mind answering.

  1. How big are VR games and is it necessary to get the 256gb model if I'm planning to only get 5-6 games.
  2. Purchase off of the official Meta website? Or Amazon, of which I have 125 USD worth of coupons.
  3. How expensive are games?
  4. I'm not gonna regret this purchase, right??
tacit iris
steady oyster
tacit iris
steady oyster
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Games are pretty small. Sometimes you may get sucked more into pcmr which takes no storage really.

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Yea I just checked I have 22 games

warm stirrup
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I'd buy a quest 2 if you want vr and don't have a pc for it, if you want an easily portable vr setup, and if you can guarantee you will play the games on there

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Pcvr for the quest 2 is sometimes a fine experience, in me and my friends' experience, it's been extremely awful with connection issues and performance bugs. Some ppl say they have no issue at all so your mileage may vary

tacit iris
warm stirrup
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I got extremely annoyed at the compression with the quest 2 on pcvr but my friends say that they don't notice a thing lol

steady oyster
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Prob the g2

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Unless cost isn’t a issue

warm stirrup
# tacit iris What's the alternative if I have a PC?

It really depends, I personally would choose a rift cv1, or a vive pro if you can afford it but a lot of ppl like the resolution of the quest 2, g2 is also a good option but a new tracking solution might be needed if you want better tracking for beat Saber (other applications should be fine)

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G2 is pretty much the best option for sim as well

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I like the cv1 though because it's cheap and I don't have a problem with the resolution. The controllers on the cc1 are also crowned the best for beat saber

rustic garnet
tacit iris
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Very limited though

lusty dagger
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F. E., blue Stacks, Android vm, something like Googles development virtual device etc.

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Vr via this isnt a thing at all iirc, cause eh ye.

tacit iris
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If so that suprises me.

lusty dagger
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no?

little plinth
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Though the G2 pricing is very volatile.
If it's at say 450 I'd just get the Quest 3, or save money and get pico 4.

warm stirrup
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Is it possible to use index knuckles with the g2 headset as long as steamvr base stations are set up for it?

rustic garnet
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It's possible but a little janky and prone to drift since there is no absolute positioning between the wmr tracking and lighthouse tracking

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You'll also need the little wireless usb dongle for lighthouse trackers to connect the knuckles to as they usually connect to the headset

weak bluff
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But it's not that big of a deal

rustic garnet
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tru but that adds cost and you've gotta faff about with keeping the thing charged

cursive dock
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Really excited for Apple and Meta to change the game

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AR is clearly the future. Exciting times

weak bluff
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I thought so with Hololens. Now I don't believe in AR anytime soon anymore.

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Also Apple headset is more like MR headset rather than AR. Their VR capability is artificially limited by software.

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I have no idea what 5D chess Apple is playing to do that.

haughty thistle
#

Apple is trying to compete with the Hololens, but using completely different tech to get there...

rustic garnet
#

is the hololens even anything to compete with?

weak bluff
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Hololens are not trying to sell to you. They just sell them to contractors and their main revenue from it is subscription and contracts using Hololens.

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Microsoft offers Hololens for professional training like plane engine or architects which Apple does not offer

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Apple is marketing to consumer and individual professionals that is not enterprise

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I cant see how Apple trying to kill Hololens at all. Yet. Vision Pro lacks enterprise service that Microsoft offer and profit most from.

haughty thistle
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Only reason Apple did it that way was to try and get people talking about it. Remember, the Hololens was also originally marketed at consumers. Actually the initial marketing for both feels shockingly similar...

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Apple knows that if they marked something to Business only, they would stifle their sales. They need to get their product into the minds of people, and best way to do that is by marketing a product towards them, even if it's not their target audience...

sweet smelt
#

Ok so, with the Quest 3s new controllers, I really hope I wasn't scammed on getting the Quest Pro controllers for the Quest 2. And the fact they're selling official hand straps for the new controllers makes me sad because they can't be cross-compatible due to the Pro not having a battery compartment.

haughty thistle
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The Quest Pro controllers will 100% be better in terms of tracking then the Quest 3 controllers

warm stirrup
#

The strap on the Quest 3 feels much better than the Quest 2 but it's still not great

weak bluff
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https://youtu.be/vsj1z5G-ECw?si=gTzE8sQwubiU00aD

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Meta Quest
PowerWash Simulator VR | Release Date Reveal Trailer | Meta Quest P...

Grab your headset, assemble your crew and team up to tackle that muck this November: PowerWash Simulator VR is coming to Meta Quest 2, 3 and Pro.

Become the washer you want to be in VR and wash how you want to. Grab and hold the power washer in virtual reality, aim with total precision and natural hand movement.

Experience the filthy town of M...

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Game where you work

little plinth
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Another exclusive?

weak bluff
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No

little plinth
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nice

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i'll get it when it comes out of pre order

weak bluff
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I do have to note VR is Quest exclusive

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PC pleb only gets desktop officially

little plinth
#

fuck zuck

leaden ruin
vivid ore
weak bluff
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Who needs that

deep yew
#

not having to look down at the map on a donarcycle seems like a good use of that sorta tech

weak bluff
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oh god its a kickstarter

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its a lot of challenge looks like they use their own map integrating Google Maps how can they afford Google Maps API cost?

weak bluff
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There is no console there is no Valve VR headset there is only Steam Deck revision

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haughty thistle
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Why you gotta do this to me Valve

rustic garnet
#

nah this aint fr

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Welp

#

we still know they're working on something at least... Right?

haughty thistle
#

What confuses me the most is that they have explicitly said they don't intend on releasing a revised Steam Deck any time soon...

rustic garnet
weak bluff
#

nothing its just guess based on rumours and it makes sense

haughty thistle
#

This text apparently hints at this being a revision if an existing product...

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burnt oasis
little plinth
#

Right now my best option is using my galaxy watch

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But even that is slightly dangerous

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Looking down once in a while

haughty thistle
#

When driving it's best to only concentrate on the driving. If someone messages me? Too bad, they'll get a reply when I'm at my destination

little plinth
#

For phone holders, i will never trust it.

haughty thistle
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Any other way is just endangering other people on the road...

little plinth
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It's more for nav

haughty thistle
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Ah.

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Honestly, there's A. audio navigation (I barely look on my phone screen anyways when using it as a nav) and B. Not all phone holders suck xD

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I feel like using a smartwatch would be just as unsafe as just having the phone chilling in the center console down at the shifter. You got to take your eyes way off the road to look at the screen...

little plinth
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And I don't care what anyone says I won't trust multi hundred dollar device on some plastic holder

weak bluff
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I'm more skeptical about the app the most

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They need to pay for Google maps api which is expensive

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So i guess they will include a subscription

haughty thistle
little plinth
haughty thistle
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Ah. Yeah, I agree that's a different story

little plinth
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The glasses is made for bikers too

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No reason I won't trust a holder in a car kek

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That works fine

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But a phone holder on a bike

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Ho I'll never trust it

haughty thistle
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But given how many motorbikes I see with their phone strapped to the handle...

little plinth
#

They put too much trust

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That kind of glasses would be way better than using galaxy watch

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Or god forbid a meta quest 3 KEKW

rustic garnet
little plinth
#

Some mad man will probably drive with the AVP sooner or late

haughty thistle
#

I just wanna remind everyone of that one Kickstarter for a motorbike helmet that supposedly did this exact thing and it turned out to just be a big scam. They did regular updates and whatnot for a while, and at some point just stopped doing the updates. Turns out the creators just took the money and ran, posting fake updates as to not be exposed while people can still run chargebacks...

little plinth
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Which is why i said the eligibility aside

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The concept is godsend
But i have 0 trust in kickstarters

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Though the xreal air glasses is a thing

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It's just too dark

weak bluff
rustic garnet
#

Hahaha kickstarter is such a mad platform it's a miracle anything ever gets shipped from there

rustic garnet
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or four at least

haughty thistle
#

I have one rule for any Kickstarter I might back: it has to be a known brand. One that is already somewhat established. And even then I'm always very skeptical...

weak bluff
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And steam deck is on pcie 3.0 so it cant be anything new

#

Hence unlikely steam console or vr

rustic garnet
#

? but the network card is also pcie 3

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Besides all pcie versions are intercompatible anyway

weak bluff
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The point is to stomp rumour about new headset or console and its a speculation its not confirmation

#

You are missing the point

rustic garnet
#

guys just because valve is reportedly working on a new steam deck doesn't mean they're not ALSO working on a vr headet

weak bluff
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Ofc

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But people were having hopium

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Because last time Oculus event happened Valve announced Valve Index

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This is to put more nail to coffin for any hope that will happen again

rustic garnet
#

wth how are you so sure lmao

weak bluff
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Im not sure but people were coping with that

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There were even memes

gloomy crater
#

I don't think there's anything wrong with having hope knowing full well that it probably won't come to fruition, it's getting other peoples' hopes up knowing that they'll probably be disappointed that I take issue with

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The next Valve VR headset is pretty much my only chance of playing 'good' VR again in the future, so ofc I'm gonna hope that it comes out soon, even knowing it's probably gonna be another two or three years until it actually comes out.

burnt oasis
gloomy crater
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TBH it's not even really the headset I'm looking forward to. There are like, 4 or 5 headsets out this very moment that I'd be perfectly fine with. It's the controllers I'm hoping will receive a big update with the next headset that I'm really excited for. I can't use my Index right now because both my controllers are broken, and I don't wanna pay $300 for a pair of replacement controllers running 5 year old tech knowing they'll probably be made obsolete in the next few years

burnt oasis
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it's the successor to the index

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varjo aero too

gloomy crater
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If my controllers were working, I'd have bought an Aero by now

burnt oasis
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oh you meant controllers not the actual headset

gloomy crater
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That's what I really want tbh. Ticks all my boxes except for wireless

burnt oasis
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im glad to see pancake lenses becoming mainstream

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fresnel is ass

gloomy crater
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Yeah, hopefully we won't have to deal with the dumb glare that most lenses used in last gen HMDs are prone to. It's the one thing about the Index lenses I hate

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That's actually one of the things that turned me off of the bigscreen beyond, is early reviews saying it has similar glare to the index

burnt oasis
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i don't mind glare tbh

burnt oasis
gloomy crater
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The one thing that would make me prioritize the Beyond over the Aero is if they actually do come out with a wireless module for it

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I'm still amazed that the Aero is as crammed with tech as it is, yet it's still lighter than the Index

gloomy crater
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I'm assuming since the Aero and Beyond are native SteamVR tracked, they wouldn't have the issue that the G2 has where it constantly becomes misaligned with the controllers and play space?

burnt oasis
gloomy crater
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That's good to know

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I'm looking for something to replace my sister's G2 with, I gifted her the headset last year but now there's some sort of bug in Windows Mixed Reality that causes the entire system to hard freeze whenever she tries to launch the program so she just wants a Native SteamVR headset since they tend to just work

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I'd actually probably be willing to give her my Index HMD along with a new set of controllers and Base Stations, and then get myself an Aero if I could find a used pair of controllers for cheap for myself to use, since I already have base stations of my own

haughty thistle
# gloomy crater Yeah, hopefully we won't have to deal with the dumb glare that most lenses used ...

Heh. Then what you'd want are Aspheric lenses. Pancake optics are not the silver bullet against glare that people seem to think they are. Sure, they don't have as much glare as a fresnel lens, but they still have a flip ton of internal reflections. Even the Quest Pro (which supposedly has the best pancake optics out there) still has very much noticeable internal reflections in darker scenes. And I'll be honest: to my eyes internal reflections are way more distracting that fixed glare from a fresnel lens...

gloomy crater
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It's looking more and more like I'm gonna be buying an aero in the next year

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Ticks all my boxes except for wireless. Aspheric lenses, mini led displays, it's lighter than the index, native steam tracking, and seems the most robust of today's offerings around the $1k price point

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Only major issue I'm seeing with it is I'm concerned about the vertical fov making it feel tunnely

haughty thistle
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I've got an Aero myself and I can tell you from experience that the image clarity masks the lower VFOV quite well. Sure, you will be able to tell when you're looking for it, but when you're just enjoying the game, I at least personally don't really notice it

sweet smelt
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When I got the Quest 2 NZ customs thought it was a bomb for a bit. I thought they’d be more trusting of Meta since 80% of the country uses Facebook

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Hopefully the Quest 3 goes a bit smoother

soft gulch
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trust meta? HA

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when in doubt, use nzpost youshop to get expensive things into the country

gloomy crater
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Oh dang. I guess I'm not getting a Varjo Aero after all. I have a 6950XT, and Varjo says that literally none of their headsets will work with AMD graphics cards. Good thing I made that discovery before buying one lol

gloomy crater
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Since the Somnium One specs seem to be similar to the Aero, aspheric lenses with mini led displays and eye tracking with dynamic foveated rendering, that's probably what I'm gonna end up with. I just hope the Somnium doesn't come out with this 'only works on nvidia graphics cards' bull that Varjo are pulling

weak bluff
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new headset chances are it wont support AMD

gloomy crater
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The CEO's comments in the Somnium discord make it sound like their headset will be perfectly compatible with AMD, hopefully it will be. Edit: I'm skimming a MASSIVE interview with the CEO and lead of software development on the project, and yeah, they just outright confirmed that both the hardware and software will be completely AMD compatible. That's such a relief

rustic garnet
gloomy crater
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Oh there is

rustic garnet
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considering how much extra tech nvdia cramms into their cards and drivers outside of just gpu grunt

gloomy crater
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Nvidia has a proprietary rendering software that gives the Aero its ability to render large frames without absolutely tanking performance

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It's just that the somnium team built their own version of that software from scratch and added it to their runtime to make it work on any GPU

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It seems like the whole project is massively open source, even down to the code of the eye tracking algorithm they're building being fully viewable and editable. You can pretty much do whatever you want with this headset, both in terms of hardware and software. The only thing they've said ISN'T open source is the hand tracking algorithm they're using, which they got from another company so they can't make that open source

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I'm guessing it's gonna be like, $2500-3000, so way out of the range of most headsets nowadays, but definitely seems worth that price for what they're offering considering they're literally the only ones offering it

weak bluff
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dont preorder somnium

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its not worth locking money for a while and prevent another decagear

gloomy crater
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You literally can't. They refused to do pre orders because they wanted people to have time to see reviews and get a feel for the headset before dropping money on it. The only way to get one from the first batch was to be a part of their discord last month and get the early access reservation ticket that would allow you to be able to buy one from the first production run when they finally allow orders. So literally 100% of the first 300 or so headsets are going straight to people who are going to immediately make reviews, and then a couple months later, THEN normal people will get their first chance of buying the headset

weak bluff
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just wait

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once they show up

gloomy crater
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The normal people reservations are still open though, so if I really wanted to, I could apply for a reservation and then just not buy it since it doesn't cost any money and it's literally just 'here's my email, let me know when it's available for purchase' except those reservations still won't be filled until months after the first production run goes out. Those spots are already long gone. So it'd be pretty much impossible for an unsuspecting consumer to buy this headset without seeing tons of reviews for the headset first. It's like they're actively trying to PREVENT a decagear situation

weak bluff
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that should be ok

haughty thistle
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It's more of a limitation of DP1.4 and the basically bare minimum DSC support on AMD then a fault of Varjo...

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Same reason why the Pimax 8k X 90Hz+ native modes are also only supported on Nvidia...

little plinth
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Dillema of kickstarters

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While we have scams, there are also genuine companies on them

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If we refuse entirely we might be missing out on supporting some genuine ones

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But if we do use kickstarters

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Good Chance we get cucked out of our money

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Like oculus and slimevr came out of kickstarter

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But there are also something like decagear

rustic garnet
gloomy crater
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So the fact that the somnium and aero have very similar displays, yet the somnium team claim that they've found a way to make those same panels run at native resolution on an AMD GPU (i.e. without DSC) means that either they were lying, or they found out a way to do it that varjo either couldn't or didn't care to, and i honestly don't know which of those possibilities scares me more

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Either way, brain hurts and it's 6am so I guess I'll think about this more in the morning

haughty thistle
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They are either lying, or the Somnium requires a DP2 card to work at native res

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If you do the maths, then you'll notice that no matter how you slice it or dice it, you cannot send that resolution natively without DSC over DP1.4

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Varjo does have an additional constraint tho: the only 5m USB-C cable they could get their hands on only has 2 active DP1.4 lanes when also carrying USB 3 signals. As they needed USB 3 for the eye tracking cameras, this is what they were stuck with. Because of them only having a bandwidth similar to DP1.2 they had to use a higher DSC compression factor, and it's that higher factor that doesn't work on AMD.
Sure, if Somnium uses some proprietary cable with 4 DP1.4 lanes, skimp out on USB 3 support or limit native res to DP2.0 GPUs then they may be able to do it? But even with 4 DP1.4 lanes you need DSC for that resolution...

gloomy crater
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They do in fact have a proprietary cable they've developed, but the only thing they've said about it is that it "exceeds the virtual link standard"

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What I'm thinking is that there's something in the software that allows the unit to work with AMD cards at a lower resolution, and they're just not mentioning that part yet. They've said that they're gonna get a lot more technical during the showcase they're doing later this year before they actually launch the headset

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Huh. Yeah, the CEO has outright confirmed on their public discord that their headset does in fact use DSC over DP1.4 and it has "plenty of bandwidth for 2880*2880 120hz"

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Which just opens up more questions

haughty thistle
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Like I said, AMD does support DSC, just only the bare minimum factor. It's fine for flat monitors, as it's very unlikely for any 8k 240Hz monitors to come out any time soon. But for VR those higher rate DSC paths are being utilized and they are just flat-out not supported on AMD (or are at the very least very unreliable).
I'm not sure the higher DSC ratios are needed for 5760x2880@120hz on a 4 lane DP1.4 connection. All I know is that they are needed for 5760x2720@90hz on a 2 lane DP 1.4 connection and that even 5760x2720@90Hz exceeds the bandwidth of a 4 lane DP1.4 connection without the assistence of DSC...

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(always keep in mind that one side of the resolution is doubled because 2 screens)

native goblet
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I just remembered this channel exists...

Time to spend an entire week comparing and analyzing every VR headset on the market to find something to spend my next paycheck on.

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I'll also need a yoke
I am not playing plane games in VR without a proper yoke

cedar belfry
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y e s .

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GLITTERR

cedar belfry
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lethal peak
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Anyone up?

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I'm doing some science and need someone to look at a thing

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Context, I'm a VR Dev. Testing live streaming direct from mobile VR to a headset. Its a VTuber tool

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No PC needed, just all done in the HMD.. I'm stress testing the streaming to see if anything throttles

weak bluff
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Bigscreen Beyond said the reason why they have this 72hz and 90hz limitation on different res is apparently due to Nvidia GPU lack of Displayport 2.0

little plinth
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Hmm

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Can't they just

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Run it at lower res

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And ye DP1.4 max is like 4k144
And flatscreen 4k is considerably lower than BB's 5120x2560 resolution

haughty thistle
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In that case it isn't a limitation of the DP interconnect

weak bluff
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Actually it needs to be explained to be more vague. DisplayPort 1.4 is or one of the reason is why at 75hz is the mode with sharpest image.

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little plinth
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Why is DSC necessary? Bandwidth limit?

weak bluff
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They cite 3 reason

Due to bandwidth limitations of DisplayPort 1.4, display controllers, and MIPI

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haughty thistle
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DSC is not what compresses the image resolution. This keeps on being falsly stated as the reason the Beyond is only 75Hz at native res

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People found the actual spec sheet of the panels and those list 75Hz@native / 90Hz@1920x1920 as the highest two modes of operation

weak bluff
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Its always 2560x2560

haughty thistle
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DSC does not compress image resolution, it's more like a super low-latency visually-lossless video compression. Most high-end gaming monitors but also VR headsets are using this (including the Varjo Aero and PSVR2 btw). DSC has the potential to be completely lossless, given the image can be compressed within the available bandwidth, otherwise it turns lossy

haughty thistle
# weak bluff Its always 2560x2560

That's the panel physical resolution, yes. But at 90Hz the panel will internally upscale from 1920x1920. It's the highest the panel will accept at 90Hz

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Again, this is neither a limitation of DP1.4, nor is it a Bigscreen just being sloppy, it's just the panel they had available (kinda) sucks

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It really doesn't help that Bigscreen keeps on telling lies and says it's DSC, but actually it's 2560x2560 at 90Hz, because it simply is not...

weak bluff
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So it is a lie

burnt oasis
dull tide
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Anyone else waiting on the Q3 for a price drop or for the aftermarket to catch up with straps and controller grips?

warm stirrup
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Lol I'm waiting for index 2

little plinth
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i'm waiting for pico 5

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yes the parent company is equally invasive

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but the operating system is more free

warm stirrup
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Goodness

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Are we going to have quest fan boys vs Pico fan boys?

little plinth
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I'm not fangirling pico
Just picking least of two evils

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I hate zuck's exclusivity shit and I'm not gonna support it

haughty thistle
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I think the least of two evils is not the one that is literally worse then Facebook when it comes to user data collection...

little plinth
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More that they (for now) not stealing all the damn game studios

haughty thistle
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Chinese companies don't stop in front of legal barriers to do their thing

little plinth
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I'd be more scared of the CIA than whatever incompetent chinese intelligence

haughty thistle
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Europe has some of the strictest privacy laws, yet ByteDance is still collecting everything on EU citizens like these laws don't exist

little plinth
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Plus i only use it for PCVR

haughty thistle
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Let's be real, neither US nor China are great when it comes to individual privacy. But China is the only one to have employed a literal dystopian social credit system...

little plinth
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I'm never gonna buy zuck headset
Pico is more because I'm forced due to lack of options

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When possible I'm getting a native SVR headset

little plinth
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The country

haughty thistle
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Still. Goes to show that China is a lot more willing to impede on personal freedom then the US is

little plinth
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I won't get in trouble for calling xi jin ping Winnie the pooh

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While if i somehow piss off the US they'll extradite me

haughty thistle
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The US is much more pre-occupied with invading other countries for the sake of "FREEDOM!!1eleven"

haughty thistle
little plinth
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They don't care if a non Chinese do it

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Their firewall internet is there

haughty thistle
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It's just their diplomatic reach isn't so good to get people extradited. But it sure can get you arrested at an airport

haughty thistle
little plinth
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Just don't go to a Chinese airport

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Either way their power that affects ME is less than the US with absolutely international hegemony

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China really only have power in their own place

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Not like i do anything bad

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But if i wanna piss someone off internationally, you better piss off china instead.

scenic oxide
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Hello, I'm looking at buying a pre-built PC and my want to use PC VR but it says not VR ready, can I still use pcvr on my oculus

rustic garnet
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What are the specs

warm stirrup
rustic garnet
pseudo tartan
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My quest 3 is coming tommorow I am excited

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Anybody else got a quest 3 coming tommorow?

violet charm
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i normally wait like a few weeks after release

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also i had a thought

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quest 3 can body tracking but not fully body
will there be half sets for trackers where its made for quest 3

scenic oxide
sweet smelt
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A controller comparison

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weak bluff
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i hope drift issue is reduced somehow

scenic oxide
weak bluff
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No wonder

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Intel Arc is not supported

weak bluff
scenic oxide
weak bluff
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Yes

rustic garnet
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Arc in a prebuilt was not something i expected lol

honest sphinx
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Still no VR support for Arc?

weak bluff
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from Intel

haughty thistle
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Intel Arc does work with Virtual Desktop and the Vive Wireless adapter. It does not however work with any headset that uses DP or HDMI plugged into the card directly. At least last time I tried it, those HMDs didn't work. Quest Link and Air Link also refuse to initiate on Arc GPUs...

weak bluff
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Anything that does not involve display cable and Oculus software

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Idk why it does not work for Oculus maybe because it is not whitelisted

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Whatever Intel mean by alpha driver that they said to Linus

haughty thistle
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Man, I wish Intel would just drop that driver to public finally

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But at this point I think it's more likely that we'll get Battle mage before direct display mode is supported on Arc 😞

lethal peak
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Just wrapped up beta on the app I've been developing for VR

native goblet
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Do you support other VR headsets ?

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Or plan to later on ?

lost heath
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Anyone know how well the rt 6750 runs games? getting the quest 3 soon and curious how it all runs.

weak bluff
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Ahhhh AMD + Quest

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it will run

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but AMD encoder kinda suck I have had bad experience with artifact before with my 6600 XT

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You will run well but image quality will vary in high bitrate requirements

haughty thistle
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Plus bitrate on AMD cards is severely limited afaik

lost heath
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ah so not worth it from the sounds of it...

weak bluff
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AMD is ok to buy if you can only get that and you have other flat screen games to play

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The issue is only on standalone headset so if you upgrade to native headset the biggest issue won't happen

weak bluff
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Ok now that Quest 3 is out I want to know any AV1 results

little plinth
weak bluff
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i guess i have to trust words then

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or raw image

little plinth
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but AV1 is heavier, so it's also possible that even with hardware acceleration it might has an increase in latency

weak bluff
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VD added that support i just want to know

little plinth
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well in theory

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same quality at half the bandwidth

crimson bridge
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If anyone is interested, I'm about to live steam a quest 3 unboxing...

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I presume I can't link anything here... Can dm me for the link.

late vortex
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I've already opened mine. they didn't spend a lot on packaging.

crimson bridge
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No.. Not exactly premium looking 🤣

thorny ferry
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one website says headset tomorrow, the other says headset friday

weak bluff
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packaging has shrunk from Quest 1 to Quest 3

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and with Quest 3 lite rumoured to come without controllers probably even SMALLER

rancid kestrel
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Okay, Expert+ Pretender has some notes I don't understand how you're supposed to hit.

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There are two lines of alternating left and rights that have no space between them.

cedar belfry
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if so, don't full swing

native goblet
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Just found out the Quest 3 has LiDAR
Sounds like someone's gonna have a field day collecting data about people's house contents...

cedar belfry
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Now I can recenter myself in SteamVR and get made fun of by the devs for how short I am, awesome!

native goblet
# cedar belfry That's gonna be fun

Is there any medium/high confidence rumors about an Index 2 release ? I'm bored out of my mind and would like to get some brain stimulus from anything at all

native goblet
cedar belfry
native goblet
cedar belfry
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search index 2 or valve deckard and you'll be flooded with news articles

native goblet
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Is it getting LiDAR too ?

cedar belfry
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Honestly, haven't been looking

native goblet
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Aight

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Thanks

cedar belfry
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I'm seeing that it might be standalone

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i hope it isn't for stability reasons

cedar belfry
native goblet
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Sheesh

cedar belfry
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yea

native goblet
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New Zealander, noted

cedar belfry
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nope

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murica

native goblet
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Wasn't it where the Hobbit was filmed ?

cedar belfry
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i don't watch movies

native goblet
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Fair enough

cedar belfry
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i live under a rock and i'm happy

native goblet
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Same, kinda

cedar belfry
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i don't wanna be short anymore xd
i gotta use OVRAS so i can appear taller

lusty dagger
native goblet
# cedar belfry I'm seeing that it might be standalone

Apparently, Valve could be working on a PCVR console running SteamOS with a dGPU
They've patented something that would do direct VR datalink to another device that wouldn't be "a PC" or something like that
Alleged "console" would be codenamed Galileo and using a "Sephiroth" APU

cedar belfry
warm stirrup
rancid kestrel
cedar belfry
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image credit - person

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@rancid kestrel

rancid kestrel
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Yeah that just much closer together.

cedar belfry
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so the middle two lanes?

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or timed very close

rancid kestrel
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With the blocks closer.

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The first (and only time so far) that I saw it I couldn't resolve the arrows on the blocks.

haughty sable
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upgrading from q1 to q3 today i feelin gud

cedar belfry
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i love when unity doesn't want to record the isActive property when animating a toggle for a VRChat prop

cedar belfry
haughty sable
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lol ye

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the main reason im upgrading is cuz my q1 tracking rings are so cracked lol

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and q1 just seems to be getting buggier as time goes on

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so i needed the upgrade

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but yea im super hyped about what the difference will be

rancid kestrel
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I'm still rocking a Vive and it's still awesome.

acoustic coral
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When Full-Dive VR tech

haughty thistle
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The thread is a good read imo

native goblet
little plinth
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Another reason for me to never buy a meta headset

honest sphinx
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They're just using the meta... What's wrong with that?

haughty thistle
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I call them Metabook for a reason. For me they'll always stay Facebook, just replaced the first part so dumdums don't get confused

rancid kestrel
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There's no way that company wins this with the amount of money Facebook has, right?

haughty thistle
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All their business practices stayed the same. Very much the "Buy or Bury" scheme that Microsoft was so known for in the 90s and early '00s

rancid kestrel
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Google does that too.

rancid kestrel
haughty thistle
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Let's be real here, all big companies are doing similar things to some degree. No company is your friend...

rancid kestrel
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Well, some small ones can be.

haughty thistle
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It's just that in such a small niche as XR, these sort of practices become a lot more visible

rancid kestrel
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VR?

haughty thistle
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XR is just the overarching term over VR, AR and MR. VR being fully immersed, AR being adding stuff to real life and MR is a sort of mix between the two (often a VR device acting as an AR one is considered MR btw)

rancid kestrel
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Wait since when did Facebook have game streaming?