virtual-reality

[little plinth]

fucking exclusives

[lusty dagger]

Ye

[little plinth]

either get better hardware, or play the game you want

same thing with PS5/XSX

[lusty dagger]

Good thing i dont like any of them.

[little plinth]

these exclusives affect PCVR also

[lusty dagger]

That is fair tho.

[little plinth]

it's just dumb

[lusty dagger]

Arm vs x86

And much more Power

[gloomy crater]

Cries in still can't play infamous second son because no PC port

[lusty dagger]

Pc is just much easier to develop on

[little plinth]

i wanna to be able to play the game i want on best hardware possible

[lusty dagger]

What i do just hate is same Architecture, still no way of getting it, yet.

Im sure something like revive is coming to pico.

Also do newer meta games even work in the PC Client?

Or are they quest only

[little plinth]

which one exactly

[lusty dagger]

Any New games

[haughty thistle]

Pointing to comfort as a benefit for the Pico 4 over the Quest 2 is kinda mute tbh. Both need comfort mods to be comfortable at all imo

[little plinth]

Pico out of the box is at least usable

The only thing the Pico needs is the AMVR face interface

Which is like 15 buck

[haughty thistle]

Both front and back pads are solid as a rock on that thing. Quite uncomfortable imo. On the Quest at least the rear strap isn't like a piece of hard plastic against your head out of the box...

[lusty dagger]

It basically is tho

[haughty thistle]

I've honestly never tried the Quest 2 but I can't imagine that it's fabric straps are somehow less comfortable then the rubber straps of the Quest 1 (which imo are a lot more comfortable then the Pico 4 rear plastic)

On another note:
Looks like Q2 straps won't be compatible with the Quest 3:
https://fxtwitter.com/ZGFTECH/status/1698562106893951059

[weak bluff]

oh well guess chinese manufacturers just need to change design for 3rd party strap

or maybe make a compatibility adapter

[lusty dagger]

Both the Q1 and q2 are extremely Front heavy and extremely uncomforable with the Stock Straps because of it. The pico has a stronger one and doesnt feel as heavy, its a hecktonn more comfortable.

So much so i could just use it.

Def not the case for the q2.

[agile mortar]

True

[little plinth]

Well that's damn scary

Can't keep using it every time i fire up VR

[haughty thistle]

I dunno man. I find the Quest 1 even stock a lot more comfortable then the Pico 4. That hard padding on both the front and back are what's killing it for me

[cobalt geyser]

Use ginger root extract instead, it's better.

[sullen linden]

hey

does anyone know for sure

if bonelab works with a piemax 5k super, on all fov modes with valve index controllers?

[rancid kestrel]

I'm glad I've never gotten too sick from VR.

[haughty thistle]

If you have parallel projection enabled in PiTool then in theory any game should work. The worst artifacts you should be getting is that objects in the outer FOV plopp in and out of existence.
Tho that said, there are also PCVR games that only really run properly on a Quest... cough Hitman 3 cough

[ebon raptor]

Does anyone know a free app for phone vr

[weak bluff]

what do you mean by that

[sterile coyote]

fortunately i didnt have motion sickness when playing on my quest when i had it

im assumming that is what that drug is taken for

[burnt oasis]

weed can greatly help with motion sickness and nausea in vr, and for me it also greatly enhances the immersion too

quite literally can make the world feel alive at higher doses and the music as well

[little plinth]

i refuse to take any kind of "get high" substance ever

i haven't even smoked cigarette nor tried alcohol

[burnt oasis]

cbd also exists

it's non psychoactive

which means you can't get high from it

can take it in oil or gummy form, also helps with nausea

also just anxiety and a lot of other positive effects

[little plinth]

Still in the gray area

Also straight up illegal in my country

Same as weed

[gloomy crater]

Dang I didn't know about this. Luckily, I only have to take it once a year. The six hour car ride to our vacation spot and back every September is unbearable without Dramamine. Knowing how that feels whenever it happens, having that happen whenever you go to play VR sounds like a massive pain

[little plinth]

eh don't worry lol

it's for people who take it often

daily

for a long time

[dull tide]

ALVR?

[cedar belfry]

If you've got a PC, iVRy
If not, good luck finding games

also, new shoesies (my other rusk avatar unity project took a shit)

i love recreating materials and textures

[real pasture]

im aware that this might be a dumb question but

will it actually work with an Android phone without significant issues? im in school rn and cant test it

[real pasture]

only one way to find out

[haughty thistle]

Shouldn't you focus more on school then playing around with some gaming gimmick?

[real pasture]

a few lessons dropped

[weak bluff]

whyyy

that laptop is probably not even strong enough

[real pasture]

i dont care

i run mcvr on my pc which is way worse than this laptop

[rancid kestrel]

Finally!

Some metal would go pretty hard. Metallica, Dragon Force, Rush, Van Halen, Living Color, etc..

[crimson bridge]

I'm currently working on some maps (one saber only) for the new Metallica album... I also did a one saber map for Enter Sandman. (if you don't like one saber... Ah well 😆 )

[rustic garnet]

Did anyone watch this and can give me a recap
https://www.youtube.com/live/syLTCCR23FU

[warm stirrup]

I'll be watching later

While I make lunch

[haughty thistle]

tl;dr:
Galileo EV2 codename was leaked back in Feb this year, but was thought to be a new Steam controller and the actual scraped data from then was deleted (as it was thought to be uninteresting). Recently AMD added some drivers to the Linux Kernel referencing an SoC for Galileo under the Van Gogh line of chips (similar to the Steam Deck SoC but different). So it might be that Valve has moved on from the codename "Deckard" to "Galileo", and are shockingly close to a possibly final production unit (after all, it's the EV2 Knuckle controllers of when we started to hear more about them and when they were close to finalized).
Possibly will have a miniture screen with some controls on the outside for adjusting settings while not in VR, may or may not have a Qualcomm SoC for doing auxillary tasks needed for VR (like tracking, lens correction, etc.), this may be tied in using a PCIe DMA link for fast communication, and likely will come with a Deck-like AMD SoC as the main standalone compute chip.
There's also a random Valve Only SteamVR DLC that has recently been update. This was last updated when the Valve Index was in it's final moments of development. In that same update there were also strings added to SteamVR mentioning something about a wireless HMD.

Now, this is all speculation above. So keep that in mind. What we do know for a fact is that Valve is working on a Project Galileo which is in it's EV2 revision at least since Feburary. They've also been more direct in talking to press that they are in fact working on a new VR device, while they're more vague on a possible Steam Deck follow-up. And Valve is definetly doing some software preparation for some sort of closed-reach outside testing on some sort of SteamVR related thing.
What we also know is that AMD is working on an SoC for Project Galileo, that this SoC will be related to what is in the Steam Deck, and that this SoC will be primarily designed for use in Linux (as they're adding support for it directly into the Linux Kernel).
Anything outside of these facts is pure speculation. But whatever Galileo is, it's probably closer then we think...

[gloomy crater]

Man, so my bet about Valve's next VR product not releasing until 2025 might be wrong??? Holy crap I've gotta get a job man 😭 I graduated college and everything, someone just give me a hecking job so I can get this thing when it comes out

[weak bluff]

The surprise is you were expecting it soon

I dont believe it would anytime soon

[little plinth]

It's valve time

Valve tommorow is our decade

[little plinth]

I don't know when that will come out but

Imma save up until galileo come out

[haughty thistle]

Apparently Valve just got approval for a new radio device in South Korea. So it's all kinda lining up for a press-release alá Steam Deck (possibly even during Meta connect 👀)

[gloomy crater]

That would be hilarious

[haughty thistle]

The Index was announced when Zucc stepped onto stage during Oculus Connect back in the day

[gloomy crater]

Man, it's so weird to think that I was sitting in my senior AP algebra class in high school during the facebook connect where they announced the quest 2, and now people are talking about the quest 4 and 5

[haughty thistle]

At least the very first teaser image dropped when Zucc stepped onto stage

[gloomy crater]

Yeah didn't the Q1, Rift S, and Index all get announced right after one another

[haughty thistle]

Yupp

Tho Valve only dropped a teaser with the bottom of the headset and a date. On that date they then dropped the full announcement with a new date for the start of pre-orders...

[little plinth]

I wonder how much galileo would be

If it's index price, too broke for it

Rather upgrade my pc

[gloomy crater]

Oh no 😬 new fear unlocked

I built my PC with the intention of not having to upgrade it for a while, it's gonna SUCK if valve's next headset is so performant that my PC can't handle it and I have to upgrade something

Something like a Reverb G2's native res at 120hz would be great if my PC could handle it 😭 I guess we'll have to wait and see

[weak bluff]

You don't future proof a pc just buy what you need

And upgrade later

[gloomy crater]

So here's the thing, I built my PC with basically everything almost at the top of the product stack for what was available at the time. Instead of a 5950X, I got a 5900X. Instead of a 3090, I got a 6950XT. This setup is already pushing its luck for high res gaming, as my PSU is only 1000w. If I have to upgrade my GPU, that's one thing, as long as I can keep the rest of my components it isn't a big deal to swap out graphics cards. It's the other stuff that could possibly become an issue. If for whatever reason I need a more powerful CPU than my 5900X in order to run Valve's next headset, I'm going to have to swap out my board to AM5, which means I'm also going to have to get new memory. So if it turns out my current config isn't up to snuff, best case scenario is I can just get a 7900XTX and hopefully that's all I'd need. Worst case, I basically have to rebuild the entire core of my system

[warm stirrup]

I doubt you'll need that

6950xt is a great card, it'll probably handle index 2

[cedar belfry]

i uh

[rancid kestrel]

LINUX WIRELESS VR?

Please Valve!

[weak bluff]

Waiting for Linus BSB review

[molten solar]

goofy ahh rusk

[fresh plinth]

I want to get started in VR mainly for sim racing should I get a quest 2 now or wait for the quest 3?

[leaden ruin]

idk how big price differences are in your area but a PCVR headset will allways work better in my opinion

so a reverb g2 would be a good option

if your pc can handle it though

same tracking system as the quest so no bulky trackers in your room

[little plinth]

if the G2 is unavailable (like me) you can get pico 4

if PCVR is the only focus

the standalone would just be a bonus so the weaker game library shouldn't matter

[leaden ruin]

sadly too expensive for me to justify it

seeing how many times i actually use it

[weak bluff]

if you can wait for quest 3 just wait

wait for review

do not buy without reading the reviews

otherwise if you are first time to VR I recommend try cheap used headsets even old 2016 ones as an entry to see if you like it before proceed upgrade

[little plinth]

may be hard to find depending on where you are

considering these older headsets have low amount of produced units

and usually only on regions like the US

[rancid kestrel]

I feel like a DK1 will be more than a Vive. :-P

[haughty thistle]

Rift CV1s and OG Vives are plenty on the used market here in Germany at least...

[rustic garnet]

and the cv1 is still so good

except like the panels are kinda low res

[real pasture]

m yes minecraft (dont look at steamvr preview nothing to see there)

[late vortex]

I use my quest 2 more than my g2. I should sell it

I'd wait for quest3. Pancake lenses. Pro controllers and meta subsidizing

[burnt oasis]

6950xt is actually the top gpu though, its faste rthan the 3090

[warm stirrup]

Well 6950xt isn't that good lmao

[burnt oasis]

wdym isn't that good, it's literally the 5th best 1440p gpu currently performance wise

and at 4k cuz doesn't it match or beat the 4070ti at 4k too?

4070ti 3090ti and 6950xt all within 5% of each other

[warm stirrup]

They are similar but not the same

the 6950xt, 4070 ti, and 3090 are all good cards....at different things

4070 ti is good with the newer chip and higher clock speeds

However 3090 and 6950xt are good with vram

3090 is slightly better than 6950xt as well

but both are really good cards that'll do with index 2 (most likely)

3090 also has a toe up with RT performance

And overall at least I've heard nvidia has a better track record for working really good with vr vs. amd

The 6950xt is not the best card though. you can leave that to the 4090 to take that position, 6950xt is better value tho

[lusty dagger]

All amd is way better value. Nv only advantage is pro use.

Which no gamer does, period.

Hw encs, raw Performance and even rt - amd is great there.

Nv has cuda as a advantage basically.

When it comes to drivers, cannot Tell for rx7000, but my 6800 gives me less issues i had with my gtx 1060.

Still weird issues like sometimes on bootup no Display output as long as my Index was connected, they again i couldnt do it at all with my 1060, here its every now ans then once.

Its just weird that vr has These kinds of issues ngl.

[little plinth]

Ehh, gamers also have other hobbies

Like i mostly game but also do AI as a hobby which require NV

[lusty dagger]

Hobby isnt Pro use tho.

Basic stuff works on any Hardware.

If you still wish to pay a lot more to have a bit better experience go ahead.

[little plinth]

A lot more is a bit overexaggerated

The XTX and 4080 price gap has been below 200 for quite a while

Same with 4070ti and 7900XT

Even closer on that one

[lusty dagger]

I also do cad work f. E. Or Video and even 3d rendering.

No issues at all, simply cause im not close to the Level where id actually need nv

[little plinth]

On my AI hobby in particular, NV gives 5x performance advantage

That's why i switched from 6600XT to 3060 12GB

Considering they both cost similar, it's a no brainer

No reason saving 50 bucks sacrificing your other hobby for 5 extra fps

[lusty dagger]

Alltho the 7900xt is mostly still better.

[lusty dagger]

Just that its more than that.

[little plinth]

It's around that on the lower end

[lusty dagger]

4070ti to 7900xt quite a big gap.

[little plinth]

That's high end

[lusty dagger]

If you go older Hardware sure.

Current gen thats lower end - at least for nv.

[little plinth]

Nintendo rumored to be entering the VR space working with google

Though their success is not guaranteed

Less confidence on them than on apple

[lusty dagger]

Tbh i really dont want to see another giant getting into exclusive vr...

[little plinth]

Yeah exactly

[lusty dagger]

Its like - being forced to use a Single TV Brand.

[little plinth]

Fuck exclusives

[lusty dagger]

Or a specific soundbar to get Sound.

[little plinth]

Meta is a big offender

[lusty dagger]

Im not mad about consoles - well a little. But im mad about exclusive hid.

For Controllers and screens you could always basically use what you want.

Not always without an Adapter, but doing vr - i doubt that a 40 Euro Adapter would allow output to a actually good hmd.

Or even the other way around, psvr2. Vr on PS is horse--it compared to PC, but the hmd is great.

[little plinth]

I hate how PCVR is dying

[lusty dagger]

Same.

[little plinth]

Can clearly see standalone will be the future
A dark future

[lusty dagger]

I hate every single standalone device currently.

[little plinth]

Limited to, unupgradable, shitty mobile SoC

Trash looking graphics

[lusty dagger]

I want to see something like this Chat speculated ealier.

Modular vr, the deckard being a modular device, Display unit, then Compute, battery or Hardware passive link.

This would be just perfect.

[lusty dagger]

Quest 2 standalone is mostly fine, just the compressed to hell link Looks ass.

Usb link, airlink and vd.

[little plinth]

Quest 2 standalone games has wayy reduced graphics

[lusty dagger]

Doesnt matter.

Multiple gbit simply cannot get to Mbit range.

[lusty dagger]

Well im a beatsaber dude so ye.

Either way.

Something like a z1 or a very beefy arm cpu can do good vr.

But. I simply want to use my PC.

I want vr as a hid device, not a standalone device.

Especially since currently every single standalone device is extremely front heavy, uncomfy and ass in at least 2 vital aspects.

Index f.e. Many years old, the only thing i dont like is the screen.

And thats a small thing.

Cause the screen is pretty good - but like old.

[weak bluff]

tier i got from https://tiermaker.com/create/gpu-2023-tier-list-15735039?ref=list-remix

My used GPU for PCVR tier list based on used market and value. I welcome any roasts.

[little plinth]

sad all the arc gpu have bad vr support

also

don't you mean RX 6700XT

the plain 6700 is mid

[weak bluff]

oops

i wish i can edit this tier list 6700 XT is S but 6700 will be just A

Also i would love to add RX 5700, RX 5700 XT, Vega 56, Vega 64, RTX 2060 12GB, GTX 1080Ti

if there is a better tier list i would love to redo

[little plinth]

the Vega cards are mid

[weak bluff]

Vega cards have this special feature that I believe would benefit VR

[little plinth]

unless you can get it realll cheap, but i'd take 1080ti anyday

and vega cards are power guzzlers

[weak bluff]

Vega cards have HBCC that help you avoid VRAM bottlenecks

but they are hammered by performance

[little plinth]

i believe 1080ti's 11GB will help more

[weak bluff]

there is also a special hack for Vega 56 that if you have Samsung memory you can flash Vega 64 BIOS and almost close gap

i grade based on value and I say Vega if at right price is a good alternative to RTX 2060 12GB or cheaper 10-20% slower GTX 1080Ti

HBCC is a feature too far in future it did not matter until we hit VRAM full

[little plinth]

the 2060 12GB is hard to come by at a good price

considering it's a rarer model afterall

[weak bluff]

yes and it really suck

but if you live in country with bunch of miners

you might get lucky

[little plinth]

my place actually has a lot of the 12GB ones

it's around 180 USD usually

[weak bluff]

not worth it

[little plinth]

i almost bought one last year, but i just picked the 3060 12GB for 240 instead

[weak bluff]

on aliexpress there is also a very funny RX 580 16GB modded

[little plinth]

that grandpa of a card can't even properly utilize 8GB

[weak bluff]

I would LOVE to see chinese recyclers make double vram models

just not RX 580

[little plinth]

20GB 3080

[dull tide]

24 gb 4080

[sterile coyote]

i would pay money for mine to be upgraded like that even though its useless for me

badass bragging rights to say i have one of the only modded 4080's with 24gb of vram

[dull tide]

Will probably give you 2-3 more years

[weak bluff]

more vram does not necessary help if you are bandwidth bottlenecked

[burnt oasis]

isn't a 24gb 4080 impossible

[burnt oasis]

no the 6950xt beats it at everything but ray tracing

[real pasture]

well yes, but if you mod it, then well

when do you even reach a boundary such that requires you to have a 24gb gpu

[warm stirrup]

Lol check benchmarks

[little plinth]

the bus width don't allow it

you can however get 32GB

[sterile coyote]

Is it? I thought they just reused the 4090 pcb and cut down on the CU count and took off some vram chips

[burnt oasis]

but that's a 4090

im talking about a straight up 4080 with modified vram chips

3080 could do 20 gb, 7900xt could do 10gb, 3070 could be 16gb

4080 cant be 24 gb though

[sterile coyote]

You can modify a 3070 to have 16gb

[burnt oasis]

ik

[sterile coyote]

Why can’t the 4080 be 24gb though?

[burnt oasis]

cuz certain number of vram chips on a 256 bit bus

a 3070 can be 16gb cuz it uses 1gb chips

if you swap them with 2gb chips it could be 16gb

a 4080 could be 32gb but you'd need 3gb chips which aren't possible yet

not 32, 24

[sterile coyote]

But they use the same ad102 pcb

No?

Shouldn’t you be able to populate the empty spaces where the 4090 has vram chips?

Nvm

I was mistaken

[burnt oasis]

not this gen

it's why it's 30% slower

[sterile coyote]

Yeah I found that out just now 😭 damn I really thought it was the same pcb until now

[gloomy crater]

Wow that explains a lot actually. I wondered why there was such a big difference, so it makes sense they're both unique instead of one just being a cut down version

[cedar belfry]

is there any way i can get fbt with a webcam that doesn't do whatever is going on here

[soft gulch]

you want to track movement in 3d space with a webcam?

[weak bluff]

AprilTags?

[cedar belfry]

I don't have a printer sadly

plus I don't wanna wear giant QR code lookin things

[weak bluff]

im sorry but please dont say you have no way to print a paper

welp your unwillign to wear QR code to your body means no camera FBT

[cedar belfry]

i tried mediapipe pose and it either doesn't load a third tracker or it loads 21 of them

[weak bluff]

sounds like it is simulating more than it needs

[cedar belfry]

the mystical did a video on it, and it works great for him and a lot of other people

[cedar belfry]

yesh

[weak bluff]

mediapipe documentation looks so complicated

just get apriltags or forget camera and use something else

even mediapipe recommends apriltags

[cedar belfry]

i could try and draw the tags but everyone knows how well that would go

[weak bluff]

maybe dont print paper

diy hard plastic

[cedar belfry]

where would i even get hard plastic from that i can cut or print

[weak bluff]

ill leave that to you

i believe you can figure that out

and you know

apriltags community exist

[cedar belfry]

i'll try my best, ty

going to sleep noww

[weak bluff]

or i like to do make slimevr trackers so i can get FBT even when covering in blanket

[cedar belfry]

i think id enjoy making those more

[weak bluff]

I managed to make 20 slimevr trackers now

[cedar belfry]

making an enclosure is gonna be hard without a 3D printer, could ask my school if I can use a few of theirs

[weak bluff]

also slimevr diy has never been easier before

[cedar belfry]

How well do they work, being IMU only

[visual ravine]

apriltags are still used today?

[weak bluff]

yep

[visual ravine]

damn

i thought they were only used in the inital development of the sensor crap

[weak bluff]

it can be better and worse compared to vive tracker

[cedar belfry]

people still use oculus rift cv1

[weak bluff]

the great thing is it requires no base station or camera so out of line of sight is no problem you can cover in blankets

[cedar belfry]

amazing headset still

[weak bluff]

the bad thing is off calibrations and drifting

[cedar belfry]

I've heard of drifting, can usually fix that in a few seconds

[weak bluff]

there is a solution for that

altho not everyone can take advantage of it

I will use magnetometer the same thing used for phone compass to correct drift making my slime never drift

[cedar belfry]

should teach me or provide a link how to make trackers with magnetometers, drift sounds annoying

[weak bluff]

sure just join slime discord

but

you may not be able to use it

because magnetometer requires stable magnetic environment

so your playspace must not haev any magnetic metals or it will do more harm than it helps

[cedar belfry]

would 3 metal rods kill it, i have a green screen

[weak bluff]

there is a video test on what happens when you put your trackers with magnetometer close to metal object https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYX_AFgAIp0&pp=ygUUenJvY2szNSBtYWduZXRvbWV0ZXI%3D

the best way to check is

download on your phone magnetometer app

and measure it yourself see how stable it is

[cedar belfry]

will check

[weak bluff]

go to sleep ask later

[cedar belfry]

ranges from about 45-55 μT

[weak bluff]

oh well not great but not terrible

its recommended the range of change is <5uT

withotu mags, depending on IMU reset time ranges 20min-40min

BMI160 resets 10-20min, can be better or worse depends on how well you calibrate it.
BNO085 resets 20-50min

[cedar belfry]

in my playspace it like to hang around 52-55μT

[weak bluff]

then that is a good one

you can last at least 1 hour without resetting https://youtu.be/AxIaR6QbrKY?si=iU__mTD5wuAEbzSA

this is a 1 hour timelapse

[rustic garnet]

go to like a library

[rustic garnet]

a hobby shop

obviously

or like an arts and crafts store

[dire silo]

So how does vr work? Do you have to stand up to play or can you also play while sitting down? I imagine always having to stand is painfull in long sessions.

[rustic garnet]

depends on the game

But yes vr gaming is more physically demanding than flat screen games but you're also like moving around all the time so it's not like you're standing completely still

[dire silo]

But would you say the average vr game/gamer is sitting down or standing

Because i dont even have that much space in my room

And also, im guessing you can rotate the camera via joycon aswell when you cant rotate your head 360 degrees when in a chair

[formal willow]

Usually you move around like in boneworks you use your arms to climb and stuff. In shooters you have to crouch to take cover etc but you can play seated at least alyx supports it. Mostly you do stuff with hands/arms

It's just more immersive if you can move physically more instead of using controllers

[tawdry dove]

the average game is much better suited standing

if you can find a space where you can reach out your arms in 360 degrees without hitting anything then that will do for most things

[rancid kestrel]

Most of my time is room scale.

[cedar belfry]

i stand for vrchat when im playing MM4 (Jar) or Prison Escape (Ostinyo)
i sit for vrchat conversations, like no time two talk and truth or dare
i stand for beat saber
sometimes i sit if it's a floor vibro

it really does depend

[weak bluff]

I play sit down and lay down all the time

With space fix and vertical fix

[haughty thistle]

There are games which are built around a seated experience. Take "I expect you to die" as an example: you're sitting down solving puzzles.
There's also a plethora of simulation titles which are built around seated experiences, like Flight or Truck Simulators. Not all simulation titles built for VR do expect you to sit down all the time tho, Derail Valley expects you to switch between the two (seated when driving a long distance train, standing for all else)

VR itself doesn't force seated or standing, it's only a medium to experience Virtual worlds, as if you're there. The experience drives what modes of play are possible

[weak bluff]

Got Rift S for $83 used

good deal?

[lusty dagger]

Sure

[weak bluff]

one nuisance

battery compartment is too rusty it does not recognize battery

[lusty dagger]

Rustoff

Wd40 can also work

[weak bluff]

im figuring ouyt how to fix it now

[lusty dagger]

But be careful

The Part thats visible or the spring?

If later, its harder to do something... Unless you can open the controller up

[weak bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833895618450948106/1150703912190476430/PXL_20230911_080541941.jpg?width=503&height=671

really tough

spring broke half to half lenght after my attempt to cotton swab

im planning to solder some wire later to extend springs

[lusty dagger]

Daym

[weak bluff]

First impression and yikes I can immediately notice screen door effect as someone from Quest 2

but blurry artifact no more

[lusty dagger]

I liked my rift s a heck lot more than the q2 linked - in my case all from latency over pic quality, compression artefacts to even colors which felt very Limited over link.

[weak bluff]

I have list of things to do that i neglected from experiencing on my Quest 2 due to my poor poor compression experience from trying

[rustic garnet]

Yeah I've got a 1.6 x 1.6 meter space and it's perfectly fine

I think the days of pure roomscale are very over, almost every app now has some way to move around the space artificially

so you really don't need a lot of floor area to move around on

[little plinth]

Wish the pico 4 got faster decoding performance

There's less latency when i do remote desktop over wifi, sub 10ms

And at same bitrate

Sure it's less decode load since it's just 1080p but well, remote desktop literally less latency than VR connected over ethernet, quite bonker.

[warped cairn]

rx 6700 xt or 3060 ti for general vr usage and development

[rancid kestrel]

I'm excited to see whatever the next Vive headset ends up being.

[weak bluff]

6700 XT is grand for extra room of vram but latter if you want something reliable. I do dev and AMD works good so I pick that.

If you need to run CUDA on AMD see AMD ROCm

[little plinth]

still can't use it on the likes of adobe premiere/blender

their CUDA emulation is still unavailable

and none of the productive softwares support ROCm directly yet

[weak bluff]

Its a work in progress

[little plinth]

still can't make purchase decision based on future possibilities

[little plinth]

as this makes it seem like AMD already works flawlessly with CUDA

which can be problematic if they did buy it and find out ROCm is still a fetus in development

and can't use CUDA

[weak bluff]

CUDA is not a hardware thing its a software thing that Nvidia name their cores

But anyways

I develop without using CUDA at all

[little plinth]

which works in your case, but many others may need it

so i would not say AMD works with CUDA for now when advicing purchases

[weak bluff]

I did not recommend AMD for CUDA for the record. Just saying to read about it and determine yourself.

[proven brook]

I wanna say something about the PSVR2 seeing as Linus sold me on it: there should have been an asterisk saying not to buy it if it's gonna be your only headset. $550 bucks and I get to play Gran Turismo. I don't even get the good version of Pavlov with COD zombies. Thanks Linus, you suck

[warm stirrup]

Well that's a good lesson to not trust one source lmao

When doing research like that, I'd get the point of view of many

[proven brook]

I don't think anyone could have predicted just how horrible support for the PSVR2 would be. We still don't have a media player

On paper, it's a great buy for the resolution and FOV at that price point, but then you realize you get none of all the stuff PCVR does

so yeah, your solution is to research it but generally, everything gets drowned out with hype, so either you don't remember that, or you're being insincere with your advice

OR, we could just blame Linus. Now which one do you think is the easiest?

DAMN YOU LINUS

[warm stirrup]

Then where tf did I learn that psvr2 is not the greatest option?

I don't have one lmao

I certainly can't afford one

But I know about it

From this discord, from sadlyitsbradley, from thrillseeker, from many other vr ytbers, and from articles

Linus doesn't know everything about a product lol, don't get information from only one source. That's like trying to choose a side when you only know one side

[proven brook]

Or maybe just be a good listener and don't try to say my buyer's remorse is my fault

So fucking exhausting trying to speak to people on the fucking internet

[warm stirrup]

I'm not gonna argue lol

[rancid kestrel]

Is PSVR2 support even workable yet?

[dull tide]

I just want PSVR2 on my pc is that too much to ask/s

[rancid kestrel]

No, it's being worked on.

[weak bluff]

Pcvr mod is not gonna be done anytime soon

[warm stirrup]

I think they have gotten close enough to say it's possible if I recall correctly

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah there's a plan, it's just a matter of time. They've managed to get the headset to turn on and report data.

[weak bluff]

OpenHMD struggle to get 6DOF data at all from Rift S headset if similar diffiulty is in place PSVR is not even close

[little plinth]

Still your fault not doing enough research and being impulsive

PSVR2 being only for PS5 should be enough red flag already

And if you bought in the hopes for PCVR mod that's just gambling

[proven brook]

no, shut the fuck up you piece of shit

[lusty dagger]

I see Linus' as completely true there. It is basically the best hmd currently, but its bound to PSvr which is crap compared to PC.

And if someone didnt check that - yea go figure lmao

Simelar if getting a Switch in hopes of playing ratchet and clank on there.

[weak bluff]

idk how Linus convinced you but Linus did not convince me

[little plinth]

"i blame everyone else but myself for my unwise purchase decision"

[soft gulch]

you are an idiot for making a purchase based on one source of information and doing zero research.

[soft gulch]

it literally is your fault

[lusty dagger]

How not? As for hmd only, that thing is extremely good.

Eye tracking and stuff alone. F-ing hdr.

All that stuff.

[tawdry dove]

I like the headset and I think it's really cool but if I ever purchased one then I would look into it a lot more

I would buy it assuming the games out now are the only one's I'll want to play cause you aren't guaranteed to find another game on there you'll want to play

[lusty dagger]

As a complete Option its obv trash. Cause psvr alone.

But in terms of the hmd itself, its basically the best currently.

[warm stirrup]

Yeah the hardware is pretty nice, kinda surprised how much a difference the haptics built in to the headset did for what I've been hearing

[rustic garnet]

hahahaha

[thorny lily]

man.. it aint anyone elses fault but yours.. don't be taking out your anger onto others because YOU were an idiot 💀

[rustic garnet]

Fr this is childlike behavior

[wind sentinel]

Bro whay is happening here? Lmao

Dont worry @thorny lily i love you and i dont think youre a pos

[thorny lily]

[wind sentinel]

Dont blame linus for your shitty research. Who the hell spends 500+ bucks on something and dont do research on it lmao, 100% on you

[thorny lily]

fr.

[thorny lily]

While I thank you for this his words weren't directed at me lol.. they are towards fiona i was simply jumping on the it's your own fault bandwagon

which it.. 100% is..

[thorny lily]

also love this

bro got all his advice from 1 person on the internet and is mad at us for being people on the internet

[lusty dagger]

The haptics are nothing for me - but hdr alone.

Dynamic rendering cause Eye tracking etc - this is a gamechanger imo.

Id sell my liver for good hdr in vr.

And then this thing is psvr only like wtf.

[proven brook]

or someone came in here and said specifically that they just wanted to be listened to and you scene-point fucks like the shitty wolves that you are attempted to ravage me. What the fuck ever you toxic fucks

[devout trail]

Lol this dude crying about his bad choice and maybe hasnt bothered to see what the actual development is for the PSVR2 on a PC. Its pretty much done. They cracked the authentication and video issues almost 2 months ago now? already have the 6dof tracking and everything else done. Pretty sure its just down to creating an actual windows compliant driver that will force the DSC on the headset when regular WHQL drivers wont do it.

Id say probably close to xmas will be when its actually done and fully integrated into the existing driver and well all be good to go! Mines still in the box since i got nothing on PS5 yet to slay it with. But man once its on PC im fittin to get down on that one!

My index is starting to show its age lol

[lusty dagger]

To be fair. They are talking psvr in general being Bad. Not the Support for pcvr.

Either way, crybaby - sorry.

Dont get a Produkt without Info

I also want a good pcvr Headset. But there currelty simply is none.

Bigscreen being the closest. Index is great in terms of All but the Display cause old.

Psvr2 hmd could be very great. But we are missing one point.

The Features that make it great are not implemented in pcvr like at all.

Hdr and Dynamic rendering.

[devout trail]

Eh the bigscreen is crap too. Not even a complete system so theres going to always be more problems than solutions.

[lusty dagger]

Its def not crap.

Not remotely.

Its steamvr.

So no need for a complete System when its Part of an open one.

[devout trail]

Yeah for its price and what else i have to do to use it in comparison. Yes its horrible in comparison to any complete system.

it needs components to use. you need controllers and tracking systems.

[lusty dagger]

Still no, there is nothing compareable to it.

You pay for custom fit and formfactor mostly.

[devout trail]

Yeah i get that part, thats all well and good. But not really a big incentive when i have to go buy more things for it if i dont happen to have them already.

[lusty dagger]

Which is simply not a point imo.

They could also make a 2k kit and ship it with basestations and Controllers.

F. E.

Okay 1.5k maybe.

[devout trail]

Yeah exactly my point, you have to go buy extras before you can use it to its full potential.

[lusty dagger]

Still dont see it as a valid point.

[devout trail]

well i guess i like to get the entire system in a box when i want to start using it.

I dont want to have to go shop for extra parts and addons.

Open the box, plug it in and have it work.

[lusty dagger]

This aproach is a heck lot better than being forced to have Bad Controllers or something cough htc

[devout trail]

Thats a very valid point to many users who dont know anything about that kind of stuff but just want the best VR experience they can get.

[lusty dagger]

Then go standalone.

You get what i mean?

[devout trail]

Dont need to.

theres full set PCVR systems already existing for years.

[lusty dagger]

The beyond is for Hardcore users. Not first timers.

Aka, basically everyone is getting it as an Upgrade

I dont know a Single Person who would start with that thing.

[devout trail]

Yeah and if i have say a OG rift 1? do my base stations and controllers work with it out of the box or do i have to install lots of extras or side hacks to get it working?

[lusty dagger]

Cause its a neice Option rather than an alround one.

[lusty dagger]

You will simply not get my point so lets move on/quit it.

[devout trail]

Right, i agree its a niche option. But considering the fact Ive had every headset besides the PICO and pimax junk theres just a point where playing the mix and match game gets old.

[lusty dagger]

Also. One last thing, its on preorder.

[devout trail]

Preorder is irrelevant.

[lusty dagger]

I wouldnt be wondering at all if they do a kit with basestations f. E.

[lusty dagger]

Oh hell it is.

[devout trail]

no its not dude....how does a preorder help with a use case of i should get that over something else?

im going to have the device in hand at some point....so whether pimax, pico, valve, doenst matter i still get the product in my hands at some point lol

[lusty dagger]

You wont get my point and its fine.

[devout trail]

Lol you make irrelevent points

[lusty dagger]

Its a high end Option. You basically never get a full kit in that range, see sim racing and Audio.

Simply because its Personal pref.

[devout trail]

preordering doenst mean squat to a headsets/vr systems quality or incentive to buy. Theres no amount of preordering bonus or perks you could give to make me want to buy something that doesnt fit my use case. Nobody does it all exactly the same so one metric of how soon you can say you purchased one does nothing for the actual experience of it.

[lusty dagger]

They could make a kit with basestations f. E., but which Controllers should they bundle f. E.?

[devout trail]

Yeah i know its high end....valves was a high end and they had everything included?

[lusty dagger]

Should they at all for a content Headset that doesnt even actively need Controllers?

[lusty dagger]

Wouldnt See valve as high end

It was the best Option but not a 0 comprimise one or something.

[devout trail]

See thats the difference between useres. You dont think valves is high end. Yet compared to everything else out right now that EVERY consumer can purchase its basically that or the vive pro 2.

[lusty dagger]

They tried to make it appeal to more people by giving it great Features.

Lets just quit it nojoke.

[devout trail]

lol there wont ever be a vr with 0 compromises...but one a simple as its own tracking/controller system for us who dont do sim racing or stuff like that.

Ok then stop typing bud lol

[lusty dagger]

Its just boring at leads to nothing. We wont get at the same Perspektive.

[devout trail]

seems to be making you uncomfortable or something

[lusty dagger]

I can.

[lusty dagger]

This on the other Hand is considered toxic behaviour. Instead of just leaving it you are like "oh you realize you are wrong or whatever" which is just boring nojoke.

[devout trail]

Lol bud youre the one thinking something is wrong or toxic here, we were talking about things about 2 VR systems and you must have taken it as a personal attack.

I didnt get the vibe that you were instigated by anything I said, just figured we were debating VR stuff.

[lusty dagger]

I agree that they should make a kit, but i do not agree that they have to do it for a preorder.

This is my point, you have your point of it being Bad with it being a Single unit that doesnt work alone. Fine.

Should go back to work lol

[devout trail]

You enjoy your day bud. lol

[lusty dagger]

I will

[devout trail]

So who on here has a cosmos? Id like to know if having to use a monstrous ring light or huge spotlight seems to be the norm with these? I usually swap it to the elite faceplate and get the base stations out but woulndt mind having a setup that wouldnt require a huge light. I know those typically needed LOTs of light cause of their horrid tracking but there must be some easy tweaks or settings that can be changed to fix that?

[devout trail]

Can’t argue much on this! Maybe a little much depending on what it looks like when I get there but if it’s as pristine as he says it should be a nice backup set! Thinking my L controller is going to start goofing soon the thumb stick is loose and sometimes randomly jumps around onscreen

[burnt oasis]

are there any scenarios that can cause hella motion sickness? im curious to see how resistant i am to it, i could manage the 1fps in menus and stuff and when i would get sent flying into rocks in vr

[little plinth]

invloves a lot of motions that don't correspond to the body

like smooth locomotion

[little plinth]

Man

I miss my vr first time

When it was most immersive

[burnt oasis]

?

[little plinth]

Motion sickness is caused due to movement the eye sees and the body's senses not matching

You sprinting in game while the body is still will cause that

[burnt oasis]

i think im pretty immune to it

[little plinth]

You get used to that yea

[burnt oasis]

except for literal physical organ movements

[little plinth]

Though you tried boneworks?

[burnt oasis]

like stomach drops on rollercoasters

[burnt oasis]

nah lots of modded skyrim vr

[little plinth]

Boneworks for some reason

Motion sickness haven

[burnt oasis]

i have my own ik and everything

[little plinth]

I can't stand that game

[burnt oasis]

i doubt boneworks would be any worse

[little plinth]

Boneworks accurate physics makes it very sickening

Even though my game is constant 90fps

Something i never experience on other smooth locomotion games

Like blade & sorcery and pavlov

Though i heard being in a flat spin in vtol vr is also shitty

[weak bluff]

Easy. Roller coaster.

Always makes me sick.

I can't find anything worse. From my time in GearVR to Quest a roller coaster always makes me sick.

[burnt oasis]

yo i changed the lighting and contrast and saturation settings in my skyrim vr with a mod

and holy it looks amazing now

it's like LCD to oled on the quest 2

thru the lens

looks so much more alive

before it was all dull and the same color basically

[weak bluff]

Eh good graphic is a factor to making any screen look nice

[burnt oasis]

?

[weak bluff]

nothing

maybe you need to take a look at LCD vs OLED comparison

[burnt oasis]

it looks sharper with your eyes

[burnt oasis]

yea i know

makes me even more excited to what oled will be like

[burnt oasis]

i notice that on my IPS monitor it looks even better

[weak bluff]

The Quest 2 have in my standards barely noticable screen door effect and that helps seeing things even render resolution is not high

[burnt oasis]

it's more so like before i changed the saturation and contrast, my monitor looked like how the current VR settings are now

[lusty dagger]

Looks oversaturated - the screen can just not do what you want so yea

[burnt oasis]

personally i like more saturation in a fantasy game

[lusty dagger]

Instead of having like a not so Red Red and full Red on a Bad screen you lift Red to both be full Red.

This is basically the issue i have with that in a nutshell.

[burnt oasis]

as long as the bloom isn't blinding

which i left the bloom at normal

[lusty dagger]

Same with contrast and white f. E.

If you lift it, Light grey becomes white, aka you loose a hecktonn of Detail Overall with that aproach

[tidal portal]

Detached is the worst for me. Nothing comes even close xD

[gloomy crater]

Welp, guess I've gotta deal with my annoying base stations for a while longer now

I've been having an issue where my town has been having power outages because of recent weather, and every time the power in my room blips off for a second, my computer shuts down and my base stations turn off and back on again, which causes them to spin up. So every time this happens, if I don't want to hear a high pitched whir while I'm sleeping, I've gotta either launch steamvr to get them to go dormant again, or unplug them both and try to remember to plug them back in later

So for the sake of that, and my computer not getting mad at me for the repeated sudden shutdowns from the blackouts, I bought a $200 UPS, the Eaton Tripp Lite that LTT reviewed in their 'UPS for Gamers' video. Only issue is that it arrived damaged, both the port and plug for the tiny LCD screen module were mangled out of the box and are unusable. So I'm seeking a refund or new unit from them. Which means I'm gonna have to contend with the power outages a bit longer.

[cobalt geyser]

You might find this app useful https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jeroen1602.lighthouse_pm

[weak bluff]

Or switch to slimevr :))

[lusty dagger]

Dont get that tbh...

How does slimevr help?

Lighthouse pm, the link there.

Or f. E. Simply unplugging the basestations

[weak bluff]

Slime does not rely on base station

[lusty dagger]

And?

What about their hmd f. E

[weak bluff]

This wont be a problem in first place

Well yeah i forgor

Nvm then

[lusty dagger]

Slimevr isnt such a great solution anyways - so i was wondering

[cedar belfry]

how dare you

also 17 days left before i become an american again twt

[weak bluff]

Slime have many strength vive trackers dont have

[lusty dagger]

And steamvr has a critical strength. It more like absolute tracking rather than relative.

Aka slimevr drifts.

[weak bluff]

And vive trackers have occlusion issue

[lusty dagger]

This is basically the only Bad thing, yes.

[weak bluff]

And worse battery

[lusty dagger]

10ish hrs -

So meh.

[weak bluff]

It can be longer if you put big battery

Slime also have solution for drift if you qualify

[lusty dagger]

Not a great one.

[weak bluff]

No they are good when it works

[lusty dagger]

What wed need is a combination of both.

Aka what vive Hardware coooould do theoredically.

Imu only Mode and steamvr correction.

[weak bluff]

Vive trackers cannot combine because they use MPU6050 a low quality imu

Slime have magnetometer mode that eliminate drift

[lusty dagger]

Basically how steamvr mostly works without the need of being constantly triggerd by the basestations.

[lusty dagger]

Doesnt eliminate drift.

It helps a bit.

Its still basically blind.

[weak bluff]

You have not really research

[lusty dagger]

Its physics tho.

[weak bluff]

Its blind but it can tell orientation using earth magnetic field

Thats what magnetometer is for

[lusty dagger]

But not perfectly obv...

[weak bluff]

Uh its as accurate as compass

So unless earth magnetic field changes it works fine

[lusty dagger]

The issue is, its still relative, and as its not a constant measurement but a polling one its simply not bulletproof.

[weak bluff]

But like i said

Only selected quality

Its a pros and cons not a bad solution

[lusty dagger]

Uuh dirstortions are not a thing

[weak bluff]

Dont say it see it

[lusty dagger]

Never said its a Bad solution, i just said its tracking wise simply worse than outside in fixed tracking.

[weak bluff]

Its not a bad alternative

[lusty dagger]

Never said that either.

I just say, tracking wise its simply worse than steamvr.

[weak bluff]

Its a great alternative

The end.

[lusty dagger]

And unless they make a sort of outside in fixed correction solution - like f. E. Steamvr enabled or maybe even cams - it will stay like that.

[lusty dagger]

There you have it, great solution ≠ great Alternative.

[lusty dagger]

Solution would be something like this.

Steamvr vs slimevr are both non ideal options.

[weak bluff]

Great ftb alternative

[lusty dagger]

You say it alternative.

[little plinth]

Oooo

Someone local for me has a service for making BMI160 based slimevr trackers

As opposed to the others that uses MPU6500/6050

i might get that

@weak bluff does BMI160 have magnetometer correction

[weak bluff]

No

but you can add it

you can solder hmc5883l

aand config firmware to use it

[little plinth]

Does slimevr absolutely need a router wifi
Or can windows hotspot work

Since i use ethernet for my pico

[weak bluff]

both are reported to work

[little plinth]

My main wifi has AP isolation

With no way to disable it

(thanks ISP)

[weak bluff]

dont take my word ask in slimevr server

[haughty thistle]

Windows HotSpot works terrible for VR. The more data goes through it, the higher the CPU load, and it kinda grows exponential. Running VR through Windows HotSpot easily overloads a CPU to the point that VR becomes a completely stuttery mess

[little plinth]

Only for slimevr

My headset uses ethernet

[weak bluff]

just for slime

i recommend buy old cheap router if you can

[haughty thistle]

Oh, that should be low enough bandwidth to not cause problems

[little plinth]

I'm hellbent on wether to pay someone to do it or learn to solder those

[weak bluff]

take your time it took me like a year before i pulled trigger and make it

[little plinth]

It would be a valuable learning experience
But I can tell it'll be pain in the ass

[weak bluff]

we have minimum soldering designs

as little as just 2 wires

[little plinth]

Imma learn to solder

Buy components for 1 controller

Practice run

[rancid kestrel]

[lusty dagger]

sideload it, should work just fine.

But get it from the github...

https://github.com/jeroen1602/lighthouse_pm/releases/tag/1.2.0%2B8

most likely you need arm64 btw.

also ugh - sideload might be a weird way of putting it, get the apk and install it directly.

[rancid kestrel]

Google what the heck are you doing?

Hrm, Vive support is beta. I don't feel like risking that then.

[lusty dagger]

wdym?

Lighthouse v1?

Should btw work just fine.

[haughty thistle]

The only thing that's "in beta" and requires you to punch in your Lighthouses Serial Numbers is for the 1.0s. The app is mostly developed for 2.0s, but with those it doesn't matter if they're from Vive, Valve, Pimax, whatever...

[rancid kestrel]

I can try it I guess.

[mild python]

i finally got my laptop back and working

finally a computer that runs mcjava vr in stable 60 fps without much compromises

[little plinth]

Do optimization mods

60 Is still well below optimal for VR

Sodium, Lithium, and Phospor mods should be enough

Well, and iris if you want shaders

[rustic garnet]

i think shes using integrated graphics iirc

im thinking of someone else 💀

no is that just an alt

[rustic garnet]

i can tell u you won't be running any shaders on that spec lol

[rustic garnet]

also all those mods are fabric, vivecraft is built on forge

And it already includes optifine so ..... There isn't much to do in terms of squeezing out extra perf

ig render resolution and the usual Minecraft settings like chunk distance and such

[little plinth]

You're a bit under the rock

Vivecraft has fabric for quite a while

And sodium makes optifine looks like vanilla

[cedar belfry]

new home worlddd

World Link

[mild python]

i even got nvidium, plus while using alvr with my phone im limited to 60 anyway

[rustic garnet]

i bet i am

[rustic garnet]

Tbh in vr having the renderer and the display be synced is more important than raw fps anyway

[mild python]

i dont mind small input lag

[rustic garnet]

https://youtu.be/5CYG190EYBE y'all seen this??

[rustic garnet]

It's not about input lag per se but about having as much control over the entire render-display pipeline as possible

from tracking to gameplay simulation to gpu transfer and rendering to image transmission and finally blasting them on the displays

u need this for vr specifically bc there's so much soecialized hardware and the bar for perfection is very high because you need everything to feel like a real physical space

I think everyone who has an intrest for vr beyond "i bought an oculus quest 2 on sale for christmas to play beat saber" should watch alex vlachos gdc talks

[mild python]

i bought my phone as a school reward for good grades to play vivecraft

[rustic garnet]

how are you even playing it without motion controllers

[shut pier]

can you remove all software from a quest 1 and run something like osvr

[weak bluff]

No

the bootloader is not unlocked and we do not know if Meta would

[shut pier]

a

iaskbecause mine wont even get past the pairing screen

[weak bluff]

maybe factory reset shortcut?

[shut pier]

multiple times

i even tried oculess

[warm stirrup]

what is the performance difference like with rtx 3090 and rx7900xt and xtx in VR only?

[mild python]

seated mode: stops existing

vr isnt only about having the "full experience"

im happy with just a headset for now

[little plinth]

You still need controller for that

[mild python]

no

[little plinth]

Unless all you do is make it a glorified youtube client

[mild python]

i can just use kbm to play in seated

[little plinth]

Yea doesn't sound like a good experience
Might as well use the normal screen

[mild python]

id be happy if i could use my ds4 to play the game instead of kbm tho

[mild python]

it is good by my standards and i will stand for that

[little plinth]

Whatever, not like i care

[mild python]

yeah

exactly

[rustic garnet]

U can

[mild python]

i used controller mods to no avail

one time i got controlify to no avail (it was very broken)

and steam input is a pain to setup

[rustic garnet]

controllable?

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/controllable-fabric

[proper elk]

No features though innit

[little plinth]

you can zoom with sodium/fabric

and use iris for shaders

no reason to use optifine unless you must use forge

performance boost from sodium simply unmatched

especially combined with lithium and phospor

[proper elk]

Cem

Commented textures

Emissive textures

Custom skies

Custom capes

Once you add all those to sodium (which is a real faff on btw)

The performance is more or less the same

No to mention the capes and connected textures are buggy as they're ported from OF

So just using optifabric makes most sense to me as someone who uses all those mods

[little plinth]

even with all those, sodium still yield higher performance

never tried the capes tho

useless anyway

only visible for people with optifine

[proper elk]

No, it does not. I tested it

And as far as I'm aware, phosphor has been made obsolete now because of a Minecraft update.

As for capes, there is a mod that ports optifine capes to fabric but it doesn't work correctly in that if your player model is altered by another mod then the cape will display incorrectly which doesn't happen when using optifine natively

And yeah not everyone sees it but I have litterally have an Eevee themed cape, that's sick. Plus alot of people, even to this day, use optifine. I don't use it on servers mostly as you don't need all those other mods for that so the lightness of sodium becomes more valuable for frames.

But yeah look how cuteee: https://namemc.com/profile/SilvaEevee.1

[little plinth]

still a very small fraction of people

majority plays vanilla

and if you play on cross-play servers

even tinier percentage can actually see

[little plinth]

@weak bluff is this aux sensor beneficial

[weak bluff]

its optional

have it and it acts liek you have 2 point of tracking

again go join slimevr discord people there are very helpful

https://shop.slimevr.dev/pages/contact

[proper elk]

Actually geyser supports optifine capes. You can enable them in the config files near the bottom

[little plinth]

has to be enabled by server owner
still SoL if not

either way
not worth sacrificing frames over cape below 10% can see

[proper elk]

It's not a frame sacrifice if you use the other mods, which I do

If u don't then I mean fair tbh

[little plinth]

@weak bluff how big of a battery do you use
would 350mAh be enough

[weak bluff]

that lasts like 3 hours

i use 800, 1200 and 2400

[little plinth]

why different capacity

[weak bluff]

usage is around 100mAh per hour

I build many trackers before

my first tracker use 2400 now i use 1200 and 800

around 1000mAh is recommended

For my tracker with swappable batteries i use 18650 1200mAh battery

for my small cheesecake tracker i use flat battery 803035 800mAh

[little plinth]

i assume aux tracker is so you can have more tracker for cheaper?

[weak bluff]

yes

you get 2 in 1 kinda

[little plinth]

what does 5+3 mean btw

what does the 3 mean

[weak bluff]

1 tracker host 2 point of tracking

that means

[little plinth]

so that's the aux thing

[weak bluff]

there are 5 tracker but 3 of them have extension

making them capable of tracking 8 point

so its 2 tracker and 3 tracker with extension

yes that is the basics

[little plinth]

can't i do 4+4 or does one of them must be alone

[weak bluff]

well can you imagine how you mount 4+4

the disadvantage of extension is it needs to be wired so you can imagine some distance or some spot is uncomfortable to wire

for example you would use tracker in lower leg and wire extension to feet

but you would not wire right arm and left arm or chest to any arm

[little plinth]

ah i can see now

[weak bluff]

ok 4+4... 2+2 used on lower leg and upper legs... what the rest of 2+2? one more 1+1 for chest and hip

that remains 1 more 1+1

you could wire left and right arm but that requires wire across arm via neck or chest

[little plinth]

that'd look quite stupid kek

[weak bluff]

The absolute minimum for legs which is what i planned early times was 3+2 but eh im too cheap

and people dont recommend upper legs and lower legs

[little plinth]

so where would you put it

i think i'll do 5+3

Really wish i could order the BMIs locally

But they're 4x the price

I'll have to suck it up and wait 2 weeks from AliExpress

[weak bluff]

BMI160 from China is cheap buy more than you need for backup

I did 5+3 then i sold it and this winter ill upgrade to just 10

[little plinth]

I'll get 9 BMIs

I can always order another one locally if 2 dies

The chances are slim

[weak bluff]

or treat yourself with BNO085

[little plinth]

Wayy more expensive

The BMI160 even with the inflated local price is 4 bucks

Compared to 10++ of BNO085

[weak bluff]

official slimevr store sells them for cheap

https://shop.slimevr.dev/products/slimevr-imu-module-bno085

so... maybe just 1?

if you are missing 1 to finish set might as well buy from slime they ship from Netherlands instead of China

[little plinth]

Meh, no reason to get one
Especially if just 1

[weak bluff]

so its faster

[little plinth]

I can get BNO085 locally without inflated prices

So it'll be faster

But still no reason to get that one just for bit longer reset time

[weak bluff]

its not just that

[little plinth]

I'd assume BMI160 + magnetometer would be pretty good already

[weak bluff]

BNO085 have magnetometers and does not require calibration

[little plinth]

I'll be adding that hmc module

[weak bluff]

its just as good

but the calibration process is painful

[little plinth]

How painful

[weak bluff]

First you do normal calibration #999926371218374666 message

[little plinth]

Having the BNO085 for one tracker would be quite unnoticeable

[weak bluff]

then you do Tcal calibration

temperature calibration

liek you put slime into fridge

then warm it

calibration are skippable but they will perform worse down to 5min or very well calibrated 25-30min

[little plinth]

I think the price difference i wel worth it

Well

11 compared to 2 per module

2 compared to 11

[weak bluff]

BNO085 is the best it-just-works while BMI160 is if you take effort they are almost as good

[little plinth]

What port can you use to make the BMI Aux modular

I saw some online seller make these modular aux trackers

So you can easily remove them

[weak bluff]

that depends on how you do it I use 5 pin JST 1.25mm

only because i use female port as well

the port is tiny you cant plug solder pins to it

if you want easy use USB C

[little plinth]

You can use USB C? That's cool

[weak bluff]

just wire 4 pins to 4 pins in USB C and make sure other end correspond to schematic

[little plinth]

So the regular usb pinout shouldn't matter

[weak bluff]

no

USB C is just a standard port there is no law requiring each pin to do the same in all usb c

you can make an USB C iPhone that does not work at all in other device if Apple is really evil

you can imagine 4 pin

[little plinth]

How would reversibility works

It'd be quite annoying to blow it up or something if upside down

Though using microb would solve that i think

But microb is a shit port

[weak bluff]

if you are afraid of reversability just wire both side 1 wire for 2 pin each side

you only need 4 pins anyways

actually it does not matter

USB C USB 2.0 will only have 5 pin just wire 4 pin and peave other side unpopulated

it does not matter if its reversed

[little plinth]

What software do people use to make these cases

[weak bluff]

this is too much hassle if you want to DIY easily go order a single PCB Slime tracker you get everything in single PCB

[little plinth]

People make those?

That'll be convenient

[weak bluff]

Autodesk fusion360

example

[weak bluff]

official slime tracker have those design open source

you can literally make a carbon copy of official slime and dont have to wait until 2024

Official slime PCB design missing only IMU https://oshwlab.com/eirenliel/slimevr-imu-module

[little plinth]

that's really cool

[weak bluff]

yes just order and you get everything except battery, case and IMU

[little plinth]

so i just get this schematic and give it to some pcb maker

[weak bluff]

but i have other alternative even better

[weak bluff]

yes

its just few clicks

there is also community designed smaller version https://github.com/Sorakage033/SlimeVR-CheeseCake

i ordered this kind

it even comes with BMI160 included so no need to solder IMU

[little plinth]

can i still attach the magnetometer thing

[weak bluff]

uuuuuuuuuh yeah you can workaround with Choco Special Remake version

but it wont come with BMI160 included

I ordered the choco version

in few days im getting the Cheese version with BMI included

[little plinth]

what do i use to open these files

surely not excel

despite the xlsx extension

right

[weak bluff]

here is my order walkthrough #1119491408533934092 message

this is how i order Cheese version which is BMI160 version

you need to first downlaod zip of repository then rxtract

in extracted files there is Cheese - BMI160 included ver, Choco - No IMU ver

what you want to upload to JLCPCB is the GERBER file

[little plinth]

now the aux port

hmm

i can probably do some jank solder on to it

[weak bluff]

this PCB design uses JST 1.25mm

[weak bluff]

thats the plastic port on left over there

[little plinth]

oh there is cheese with aux also

[weak bluff]

yes i recommend just order aux even if you dont use it for all

there is aux and non aux ver but just order aux

[little plinth]

i'm probably gonna order some of these PCBs through some local guy

so it'll be faster

[weak bluff]

thats difficult because this requires some soldering part SMT as well

you can pay for fast shipping from JLCPCB if you want

in case JLC is cheaper because they make at pretty good price

[little plinth]

there's like 10 gerber files

which one is it

or all of them

[weak bluff]

ok depends on what you need so you want the DIY IMU version so you can install BMI160 and HMC correct

[little plinth]

yea

[weak bluff]

then get gerber from "SlimeVR-CheeseCake-main\SlimeVR-CheeseCake-main\002-‘’Choco‘’SpecialRemake\005-Gerber_CK_085_AUX_Special_remake.zip"

in same folder is also BOM and PnP file AUX edition

[little plinth]

hmm so i can get those already built

without needing to solder?

[weak bluff]

almost yes

you still need to solder battery and IMU since you order without IMU

[little plinth]

the BMI and the BNO has same pinout?

[weak bluff]

hmmmmm the first 4 pin yes

you can compare yourself in schematic docs

[little plinth]

since i kinda got confused

the choco one is for bmo right

[weak bluff]

Choco does not come with IMU so you can put any but it will match BNO out of box

[little plinth]

so how would i put the BMI

[weak bluff]

ugh wait

[little plinth]

didn't see this one

i can get this one without the BMI right

[weak bluff]

You see 4 pin marks

dammit i cant start my photoshop

there

you do have to manually wire the bottom pin to ground GND

[little plinth]

i ssume i need to put the HMC on those 5 pin on the right

of the bmi

[weak bluff]

from that point ima leave that to slimevr community

ask in #diy channel

[little plinth]

i am tempted to just

use cardboard

and hotglue

ok i should be able to put that HMC on the BMI

this should be correct, just matching the name lel

[weak bluff]

there is a PCB that includes easy pinout for HMC

[little plinth]

can you show me?

[weak bluff]

https://github.com/TheBug233/SlimeVR-Tracker-ESP-For-Kitkat

actually better link

nvm

the original repo is deleted so idk

oh wait lucky me I do have it downloaded saved long ago

and i guess this https://oshwhub.com/oyan/e339d1c335434328bd4569701cfb1156#P4

this does not natively supports bmi so you have to manually wire again

[little plinth]

kay i hope i can do this lel

[weak bluff]

wait

have you measured your playspace magnetic interference

[little plinth]

41-45 micro tesla

some dips to 38 when moving my phone quickly

i don't know if that's my phone's magnetometer or the actual space

[weak bluff]

it should range <5uT to run well

[little plinth]

fuck it

no PCB, cardboard and spaghetti cable

i'm gonna order a soldering kit next week

[weak bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

or if you need mags buy GY-87

makes it simple and you dont need manual calibration

[little plinth]

Does it perform better than BMI160 without mag

[weak bluff]

i dont know