virtual-reality

[little plinth]

My 3.5mm headphone died

And my Bluetooth headset is unplayable

[cedar belfry]

i gotta grind for pp some point this week

[lusty dagger]

The last time i played i was just over 5

[lusty dagger]

Hehe

Im higher, but that comes from the maps you play

[cedar belfry]

I do normal ranked stuff

[lusty dagger]

And the q2.

[cedar belfry]

I'm not a psychopath

[little plinth]

I don't really grind PP
I just play whatever song i like

[lusty dagger]

The thing is i like basically any ranked Song.

So ye

[cedar belfry]

if i could afford index and a pc that can run more than 45fps in vr i would

[little plinth]

A lot of the songs i play isn't ranked

[lusty dagger]

Huh. You play on PC.

[little plinth]

Or graveyards

[lusty dagger]

On a q2 thats not that easily drive able.

The Index f. E. Would just - work.

[cedar belfry]

it's easy to drive but the proprietary oculus rift software sucks dick and doesn't load half the time

i just wanna load into steamvr

[lusty dagger]

Q2 needs quite a bit of render Power and cpu overhead

[little plinth]

Is the G2 the hardest to run common headset around

[lusty dagger]

No.

Q2 is

Uh

No wait.

[little plinth]

Quest 2 is easier to run, lower res

[lusty dagger]

Read wrong.

[cedar belfry]

i thought it might be varjo aero because of the insane fov

[little plinth]

I wouldn't call the varjo common

[lusty dagger]

Bigscreen beyond is the Hardest to drive reasonable vr hmd i think.

That or the g2.

I think the beyond.

[little plinth]

What is beyond resolution

[lusty dagger]

2560*2560 x2

[cedar belfry]

the only reason i don't want valve index rn is because my hands are smol and look how chomky the controllers are

[lusty dagger]

With parallel projection afaik, aka - yea.

[cedar belfry]

i'm 4'11" btw

[lusty dagger]

The Indexes fit also very small hands.

[little plinth]

The G2 only 2160x2160

[lusty dagger]

My sister had them on f. E.

[little plinth]

Huh that's same as my pico 4

I thought g2 is higher

[lusty dagger]

Shes 13 xd

[cedar belfry]

how is pico?

[lusty dagger]

Yea the pico 4 itself is great... But no native link...

Sadly.

[little plinth]

My only complaint is the lack of beat saber on standalone

[lusty dagger]

Pico 3 had a Model that allowed that, this should be common imo.

[little plinth]

Other than that it's awesome

[cedar belfry]

load an apk from the oculus store

[little plinth]

Idk if that would work

[lusty dagger]

Sideload should just - work.

[little plinth]

Both is android but the VR runtime is different

[cedar belfry]

yea but the APK being native to Oculus might be an issue

[lusty dagger]

Well you wont be the only one wanting to play bs on a pico.

[little plinth]

I play on pcvr

So far the lack of beat saber isn't an issue
But when i wanna travel its gonna suck

[cedar belfry]

I was able to somehow get Oculus Link working on my phone? I stole the APK and every time I plugged my phone into my PC, my phone asked me if I wanted to enable oculus link lol

it got annoying so i removed it

[little plinth]

My 3060 is a bigger problem than compression for now

[lusty dagger]

Thaught of something like revive, which just allowes oculus Apps for steamvr, but i dont think that would work as easily on a pico considering the relatively low Power soc compared to a pc xD

[lusty dagger]

I dont think so at all.

Not even a little bit.

[little plinth]

The 3060 not being able to do full quality

Without chugging

[lusty dagger]

Beatsaber f. E. Works perfectly.

[little plinth]

So i have to lower the render res

[lusty dagger]

Vrchat is basically cpu only.

Both would Look a heck lot better native.

[little plinth]

I use HEVC 10-Bit at 92 Mbps

[lusty dagger]

And also - everything else.

[cedar belfry]

is that why my framerate goes to shit when recording with OBS?

[lusty dagger]

Still nothing compared to the Gbit range you have in a Display link

[lusty dagger]

If you use cpu encoder, yes.

If you use Hardware - maybe.

[cedar belfry]

my i3-8100 and 1060 gonna die

[lusty dagger]

Lmao.

[little plinth]

Smudge on my glasses would be a bigger issue than compression

For now

[lusty dagger]

1060 is fine. But good luck with the 8th gen i3 in current vrc

Frame rate still sux as with my 5800x3d

[cedar belfry]

i was running both obs and vrc perfectly fine
eac has entered the chat

[lusty dagger]

Ye.

Not only that though.

Also found that vrc has a hefty ramleak issue.

[little plinth]

My 3060 being unable to make use of pico's 2160 resolution is a way bigger issue than some blurry artifact compression makes
Since i get these ugly staircase effects from needing to lower resolution

[lusty dagger]

Reddit says hopping in a few Private/lower populated worlds clears it but yea.

[lusty dagger]

That 3060 is able to do so though...

[little plinth]

VD only recommends medium settings

And in heavy games like DCS

I need to even use FSR

Which makes it look like ass

[lusty dagger]

Heck i was playing beatsaber on a 1060 with full res (144% cause render magic™) with 120hz.

[little plinth]

Beat saber is crap easy to run so no shit

[cedar belfry]

Sometimes when loading VRC it can't even load my home world (zixhas apartment) it tries to put me into the default vrc home and it still can't

[little plinth]

But on heavy games the low res is a way bigger problem

[lusty dagger]

So thats the thing. You just cannot say its not able to run on full res when it is just fine.

Just that in some games it wont work.

[little plinth]

That's true even in flatscreen

[lusty dagger]

Lol

[lusty dagger]

Exactly...

Or would you say the 3060 isnt able to run 1440p?

[little plinth]

You don't exactly call 3060 a 4k card

[lusty dagger]

Only because like cyberpunk wont work

[cedar belfry]

i run smooth until there's a frame drop

[lusty dagger]

That not, but you are able to run 4k.

Minecraft would work and non Hardcore games.

Overwatch and csgo also most likely xD

Though wouldnt expect like 200fps lol

Aka - dont.

[little plinth]

Well in MY case the 3060 absolutely can't run at full pico res

[cedar belfry]

i would love to have a 3060

[little plinth]

Since the games are heavy

[lusty dagger]

It can, just not in some or most games you want to play.

[little plinth]

Hence the emphasized "my"

[lusty dagger]

Hl:a would also most likely just work xD

Also ran on my 1060 full res

[cedar belfry]

my pc would probably literally catch on fire trying to run hla

[little plinth]

With graphics settings compromise

Though DCS is even heavier than HLA

[lusty dagger]

(games fps itself wasnt that extremely good, but steamvr and or the game did i extremely good Job of making the experience great still)

[little plinth]

Anything below 90 starts becoming motion sickness inducer

Personally

[lusty dagger]

Not in steamvr

[little plinth]

So I won't call it playable

[lusty dagger]

Steamvr runs your hmd rr, so you can still move around even when the game is frozen - aka - you move around in a frozen sphere of the game lol

Meaning, even 40fps hla was basically smooth. Except things like items and stuff - which werent 120hz but - smooth enough

[cedar belfry]

is there a way i can allocate almost everything to steamvr and games

[lusty dagger]

Not much more than Windows priority settings

[cedar belfry]

i alr did that

[lusty dagger]

But, i wouldnt exactly Touch that.

Mostly does more harm then good.

Better to just close stuff like discord and most Browsers which for some reason love to create framedrops in vr...

[cedar belfry]

discord is a must
my browser is closed
Spotify for whatever reason shits on my memory usage (i close it)

[lusty dagger]

In case of discord btw just to tooltray or whats it called in english, running it in bg doesnt hurt.

But having it open does.

A lot.

For no reason whatsoever...

[cedar belfry]

classic electron apps

[lusty dagger]

Cause its just Chrome lol

[little plinth]

It's not really the framerate itself

But the high latency that comes with it

[lusty dagger]

Which you dont have in steamvr.

The game itself yes, but not your motion.

[little plinth]

In FPS range like 40 ish, the game isn't moving slowly enough for the brain to break the illusion

[lusty dagger]

In steamvr you are more like in a screen that es spherical, running your game.

[little plinth]

It still feels like shit

I can physically feel my stomach go bad

[lusty dagger]

So you can do whatever you want, if the game follows its great, if it doesnt - well yea.

[lusty dagger]

You are talking a different thing.

Which would come from f. E. Your streaming solution to your pico.

Or running games standalone there if it doesnt something like steam does

Steamvr - does it. Even if the game runs crap your motions are still smooth.

At least your head, cause like the hands are again rendered ingame. So yea.

[cedar belfry]

lag does not affect me, neither do the children when i accidentally click the seats on their hands and they physically abuse me

but the fucking swings in the mcdonalds world throws me over the edge

[lusty dagger]

Vrc on 50fps is still good enough, but on 15 the Arms and everything are quite choppy.

The camera is still smooth.

Full 144hz

[cedar belfry]

it's like 3AM here, so it's eeepy timee
gn y'all

[lusty dagger]

I still have that off in Beatsaber cause i simply dont need it there with sub2ms frametimes but yea.

[little plinth]

Waiting for pico to add 120hz

I still get slight peripheral blackbars on 90

The high fov makes it visible

[lusty dagger]

So again your sickness thing is a different thing and or because you move around ingame a lot or something...

F. E. Echovr with low fps would kill you.

[lusty dagger]

Lmao - will be your streaming solution

Steamvr renders the game a lot bigger than the Index can actually give your eyes f. E.

Dunno how it is for the pico, but id happily push it to your streaming solution.

[little plinth]

I still can see blackbars on fast rotation

[lusty dagger]

Last messages as an answer.

[little plinth]

What's f. E.

[lusty dagger]

For example

[little plinth]

I assume you mean upping the render percent on steamvr settings?

[lusty dagger]

No.

It just does by default.

[little plinth]

So what do you want me to change

[lusty dagger]

If i get crashed in vrc i have like 10° of the games fov i can see more by moving my head, which is a lot.

[lusty dagger]

I said it will be your streaming solution.

[little plinth]

It's just virtual desktop

[lusty dagger]

Ye

[little plinth]

The connectivity is definitely not the issue

I run ethernet

Through a gigabit switch

[lusty dagger]

I dont use it, so cannot help. But id say its in there cause it obv helps lowering the pixels it has to Transfer.

[lusty dagger]

Ofc it is. You are running 92mbit and displays a few to many Gbit.

Its just how the streaming solutions work.

[little plinth]

That's... Not how it works

[lusty dagger]

It can actually be that it does only Transfer what it needs.

[little plinth]

Compression is how you fit the bandwidth

[lusty dagger]

Ofc.

[little plinth]

So that blackbar is entirely unrelated

[lusty dagger]

But also f. E. Ditching the Extra fov which you simply dont need

Cause - vd may not even utilize the sphere rendering like steamvr does.

[little plinth]

I'll be keeping my 105 deg
I tried the Q2 before and it's a big difference

Virtual desktop uses steamvr

So i know what you mean about the game and motion being rendered differently

[lusty dagger]

Im talking steamvr f. E. Rendering game at 120° for your 105 Headset.

[little plinth]

Ah

Steamvr has fov settings?

[lusty dagger]

Aka when the game freezes or runs low, it can still give you more Info by turning the head.

[lusty dagger]

No. It just does that

[little plinth]

Yeahhh I'm not sure it does that

I can clearly see the square image that it renders

[lusty dagger]

Vd wont do that most likely cause its a lot more Info to Transfer to the hmd - which you just not need most of the time and would make the whole picture a lot worse cause compression and even the render overhead for your pico cause again, vd on the pico wont do that like steamvr does.

Aka. It just say its just like that when you dont have a native Headset.

[little plinth]

VD on VR mode do rely on steamvr, so it would he identical

The functionality

[lusty dagger]

Yes and no.

Vd itself adds latency, lower framerate etc

Depending on how much render Power it gets

[little plinth]

I'll need to ask someone here for fact checks

[lusty dagger]

You can Show Details of your vd connection, that should give you a clue

[little plinth]

35ms latency
HEVC - 10 Bit 92Mbps

[lusty dagger]

Somehow, only got that from a q2 friend lol

[lusty dagger]

Only that?

[little plinth]

SteamVR runtime

I think i have a pic a sec

[lusty dagger]

And also 35ms is a lot xd

But for vd its fine i guess

Cause its just - compressing your Video, sending it, compressing - so ye.

I know why i dont like non native links...

[little plinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959154493021368333/1132093938434576494/Screenshot_VirtualDesktop.Android_2023.07.22-06.35.25.454_141.jpeg

Older pic

Also it's 90fps

That 60 is just stutter from switching from desktop view to vr mode

And its ethernet not through wifi

But VD don't have that coded in for some reason

[lusty dagger]

Framerate constantly 90 when gaming?

[little plinth]

Constant 90

[lusty dagger]

Also, spacewarp is disabled, thats the Feature.

[little plinth]

Why would i want spacewarp

[lusty dagger]

Dunno if thats in vd or like motion smoothing in steamvr

[little plinth]

It's basically crude DLSS 3

Latency nightmare

[lusty dagger]

Cause it does exactly that what i explained.

[little plinth]

Spacewarp is frame interpolation

[lusty dagger]

Renders the game on a sphere, which you move around in aka game freezes you can move.

[lusty dagger]

No its not.

[little plinth]

That's... Not spacewarp...

[lusty dagger]

Its like having a virtual screen of the vr game.

[little plinth]

Spacewarp renders at half frame rate and interpolates the rest

It's used for lower performant system

[lusty dagger]

Okay in oculus it was still called spacewarp and the Feature i explained.

In steamvr its called motion smoothing afaik.

[little plinth]

I suggest you look again on what spacewarp does

Because spacewarp is just frame interpolation

[lusty dagger]

I dont know if it works differently for vd.

In oculus it was exactly what i explained

[little plinth]

And this sphere rendering
It is how it works for me too

It's not different

[lusty dagger]

In steamvr its also - but like called differently.

[lusty dagger]

If its half framerate there it surely is crappy.

But also again not frame Interpolation, its moving a static frame around.

Frame Interpolation trys to predict what you want and or uses to frames and makes a third middle one.

And yea for vd its half framerate lmao

And also a lot more like frame Interpolation bruh

Basically a crappy Feature. And i thaught vd would be cool.

Okay i remembered the Feature wrong for oculus. Than it a had another Feature for that - or i was already using steamvr there.

Btw if someone wants to Cry of cringe:

https://developer.oculus.com/blog/introducing-application-spacewarp/?locale=de_DE

From a pure HMD latency point of view, we can even say AppSW apps have better latency than full FPS applications without AppSW when using PTW

(btw ptw would be the thing you have in steamvr, and only that)

ATW was the Feature i was refering to with oculus... ASW forced on was always crap... Sorry. (aka every time i was talking about ASW i was actually meaning timewarp, and thus wrong lol)

[rancid kestrel]

This smells like negative latency on game streaming junk.

Does anyone know how to do VR development with Unity on Linux?

[weak bluff]

you dont have to target specifically for Linux for Unity

The only difference between Windows and Linux is how you export it

so just do same guide as Windows and Mac and when buindng the game you export in different target

it will only differ more if you switch like to console and mobile but even that does not change how it is exported much

[rancid kestrel]

It won't let me create a project.

It says VR is Windows only.

[rustic garnet]

ur thinking of timewarp

[lusty dagger]

Yea, last message

[rustic garnet]

frame extrapolation is more accurate

[rustic garnet]

That's probably because vr support on linux is excuse my language piss poor at the moment

[rancid kestrel]

Unity is cross platform, shouldn't prevent me from writing code on Linux to run on Windows and test stuff outside of VR.

[lusty dagger]

Hehe, someone being realistic, people told me use Proton and stuff lol.

[rustic garnet]

Hm i guess

idk sometimes ppl make assumptions

like that all vr development happens on windows

[left nacelle]

Isn't this reprojection?

[silk shadow]

we did it gamers

aaa screeenshot didnt work

[rustic garnet]

Yes oculus just has a funny name for it

[left nacelle]

ASW =/= Reprojection, right?

[rustic garnet]

Spacewarp is similar but tries to also compensate for translational movement between frames

[left nacelle]

I did a bit of reading and I think it's Timewarp that's similar

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic garnet]

yes oculus timewarp is equivalent to steamvr reprojection which is similar to oculus spacewarp which is equivalent to steamvr motion smoothing

[sullen linden]

does anyone know how to fix beat saber not picking up my remotes

[forest pagoda]

Considering an upgrade to help my vr, I currently have a 2080 super and an amd 7700x would playing dcs/xp12 be better with a 4070ti or should I go all out for the 4090

[weak bluff]

If you can affort 4090 it will be great

4070Ti is fine if you cannot get 4090

[hot forge]

i just got the oculus quest 2 the other day recommended game

[keen hill]

Beat saber…. Vr chat but be warned it’s not for children ha

[hot forge]

any other games?

[keen hill]

Superhot ofc pretty short //pistol whip half life alyx was starting to get good before I stopped

Half life for sure

[burnt oasis]

do you have a pc?

[burnt oasis]

def a 4080 or 4090, or a 6950xt as it's faster than the 4070ti in vr

id avoid the 4070ti altogether though, $800 for 3070 bandwidth and 3060 vram amount

is meh

[forest pagoda]

I got an index, i thought about getting a 7900 xtx

[burnt oasis]

that's good too but make sure you use the preview drivers

as old ones are awful for vr

people were getting motion sick from it

[forest pagoda]

so 4080 or 7900 xtx for vr

[burnt oasis]

xtx is better

[forest pagoda]

new to the amd gpu what brand, im guessing namebrand is fine

[sullen linden]

i have a htc vive and the lighthouses will disconect from my computer and make my screen go black how would i fix it

[cedar belfry]

I have an i3-8100 and a 1060 OC 3GB paired with 16GB DDR4@2400MHz, how do I record VRChat with my stream camera and OBS without my framerate going to shit?

[sullen linden]

i have a htc vive and the lighthouses will disconect from my computer and make my screen go black how would i fix it

[rustic garnet]

Hardware acceleration?

[rustic garnet]

Wdym namebrand

[forest pagoda]

I mean like asus and asrock

[cedar belfry]

Where

[weak bluff]

Here are my solutions
Free:
Change OBS encoder settings to NVENC and hope it does not make you vomit more.
Paid:
Cheap - Buy acapture card. Even cheap Chinese one (watch youtube reviews) are good with this and this basically take mirrored your display into USB then OBS take that as input.
More pricey - Get another PC dedicated for streaming. Use yoir main pc for vr gaming and second PC for streaming and recording. Again this involve capture card again but the capture card output goes to the Second PC and the second PC will dedicate full resource into streaming. Preferably get with good encoder.

One of them https://youtu.be/daS5RHVAl2U

[weak bluff]

Free option is just make use of yourGPU encoder (hardware acceleration) and paid is using external device.

Under settings, stream you should see encoder option

[hot forge]

yes i got R9 5950x and a rtx 3070

[little plinth]

damn i thought couple hundreds of hours is enough

boneworks knocked me hard

[rustic garnet]

does obs not use nvenc by default if available

[weak bluff]

idk

you have to check it out

[rustic garnet]

feels like it should

idk im not big on streaming

pretty much only ever do it for my friends on discord

[weak bluff]

its less buggier and less foolproof to default to software

also there is more than just NVENC

[little plinth]

OBS default is X264 iirc

[weak bluff]

there is also NVC, HEVC, x264, QuickSync, AV1 how can OBS know which one is better while software encode is guaranteed to work in any PC since it use CPU

its better to have knowledge and edit yourself

or be that streamer who relies on others or capture card

[haughty thistle]

Don't mix the terms here. NVENC, QuickSync and x264 are encoders while HEVC, AVC and AV1 are codecs

NVENC is the hardware encoder on Nvidia GPUs
QuickSync is the Intel equivilant
x264 is a software encoder for h264 or AVC
Both NVENC and QuickSync will always do h264 encoding, but with the right hardware, and you configure the encoder to do so, they can also output HEVC (or h265) and AV1

h264 is AVC and h265 is HEVC

[rustic garnet]

jeez

[haughty thistle]

Default in OBS is afaik x264 btw

[weak bluff]

Yes. Codecs. My mistake. Different encoder and different GPUs can have multiple codecs.

My GPU have codec for H.264 and H.265

[cedar belfry]

yes

[cedar belfry]

someone complained abt the maps i play so

who was it

@lusty dagger

[lusty dagger]

Most likely me.

And yea whats that map

[cedar belfry]

it was def you

[cedar belfry]

a funny one

should play it :)

https://beatsaver.com/maps/1a671

holy fuck

[lusty dagger]

I didnt play bs for like a month now

And i will never play anything else than - good.

[cedar belfry]

it is good

[lusty dagger]

™

[cedar belfry]

wym i placed #3 it's a good map

i gotta teach you how to play good maps

[lusty dagger]

Play full flavor and Internet yamero both great.

[cedar belfry]

i swear to god if it's tech

im gonna go crazy

[lusty dagger]

Both arent

I dont play much tech besides maybe bring it on which is very doable and could still be acc

Though it made everyone in a mp lobby leave once

[cedar belfry]

good

tech = bad

[cedar belfry]

sushi i told ya these maps are good

[cedar belfry]

damn it

[lusty dagger]

13% lol

[cedar belfry]

it's a fun map tho

i had a 28% but then crashed

[lusty dagger]

Good map - crash

[cedar belfry]

there's one thing everyone has in common on that map
they all used NF

[cedar belfry]

better map - vibro

[lusty dagger]

Vibro = non rhythmgamers

[cedar belfry]

vibro is rhythm

[lusty dagger]

Its not for any map i have seen

Doesnt even Match the bpm lol

[cedar belfry]

it's not supposed to

[lusty dagger]

Scattered faith is a exception

Which makes it not Rhythm.

Rhythmn't-game

[cedar belfry]

840bpm vibro

https://beatsaver.com/maps/2ce72

try it with NA first and see how much fun it is

[lusty dagger]

Na?

[cedar belfry]

no arrows

[lusty dagger]

Are you a child?

Takes everything from beatsaber it got

[cedar belfry]

no

beat saber robbed me of life

[lusty dagger]

Na allowes you to basically hold the saber in one place.

Aka crap.

[cedar belfry]

on shitpost maps it's useful

i use it to practice and then play the map normally

[lusty dagger]

Na doesnt practice

Playing Nf or slower does.

[cedar belfry]

we all learn differently, i use na

[lusty dagger]

Its actually science.

[cedar belfry]

there is no way in hell there will be a pass on this tho

[lusty dagger]

You need the arrows to learn - eh the arrows.

Its like practiceing Stick driving in an automatic car

[cedar belfry]

here's how i practice

NA to get used to the map
SS to get comfortable with arrows
NF to play

I'm gonna eep now, it's 10:43 AM

[little plinth]

stall, stall

also testing pico's 16:9 recording

now problem being the FFR being visible

can't really do anything about that

even at 85% scaling FSR and FFR Performance Balanced i still get 80FPS ish in that mountain

recording quality... is lower than what i see directly with my eyes

probably much better quality with capture card

[blissful aurora]

Is it possible to track the Oculus quest 2 controller in unreal engine when the headset is not currently being worn and outside vr mode?
I need a quick DIY-ish solution to match up the motion of real camera with virtual camera in UE and I don't want to spend a hellish amount on vive trackers and base stations

[rancid kestrel]

I need to fix these issues, this nearly nocked me over before I recorded it. (It was worse)

[formal willow]

cyberpsychosis

[gloomy crater]

This looks reminiscent of the issues I was having when I first installed my base stations and forgot to take the mirror off my wall, so every time I passed my hand or head in front of the mirror it would reflect weird and confuse the base stations

[rancid kestrel]

I think I'm having oclusion issues.

[crimson nexus]

anyone have a half good idea of when the index 2 might come out?

[weak bluff]

Not anytime soon and unlikely to be called Index

Valve likely have not even considered display for the next headset yet

You are fine with Index for now and Index sales only recently start to drop

[ember veldt]

pavlov vr is fun

[warm stirrup]

As long as u have a good amount of time in ur warranty lmao

[weak bluff]

Well... Then buy another Index or Beyond

There are actually people like that and they complain Index value holds too long

There is literally no big upgrade from that

And this product never discounted altho I hope the recent sale slowdown means Valve will maybe discount?

[warm stirrup]

Yeah it wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't literally 1k usd

[dull tide]

Iirc Valve has great support.

[warm stirrup]

They do, but their support only goes for so long (1 year)

[weak bluff]

Their support is possible probably because of high profit margin of headset

[haughty thistle]

2 years in Europe, because law 👀

[warm stirrup]

Lol lucky

[little plinth]

huh yea

i rechecked my adapter spec

turns out it's 100mbps

practically 90

it starts to die at 95 ish

i'll need a gigabit adapter for my pico

[haughty thistle]

[little plinth]

i wanna try 400Mbps H264+ on VD

which i heard looks better than HEVC 150Mbps

[haughty thistle]

Didn't even knew Fast Ethernet chips are still made. I know of Fast Ethernet Switches being still made, but adapters?

[little plinth]

they're plenty and cheap

there's one for 10 bucks

online

ugreen ones

[haughty thistle]

I literall payed like 15 bucks for my Ugreen USB 3 Gigabit Ethernet adapter I'm using for my Switch...

[little plinth]

i'll need to see if H264 400Mbps would be better than 150Mbps HEVC

though probably not as good as HEVC 10-bit

but HEVC 10-bit is heavy as fuck on nvenc

[haughty thistle]

VD wouldn't go beyond like 250mbps on my Wifi with H264+, and it still looked significantly worse then 150mbps HEVC, plus it had higher latency somehow too

[little plinth]

i would be using ethernet so i hope it wouldn't be an issue

[haughty thistle]

(60ms on H264+ vs 50ms on HEVC)

[little plinth]

i get like 35 on eth with HEVC

[haughty thistle]

Most of this was encoding tho

[little plinth]

though on HEVC 10-bit it all goes to shit

[little plinth]

AMD?

AMD h264 is known to be worse than AMD h265 so that might be why

[haughty thistle]

Yup same here (Quest Pro). Dunno why they even added that. The Quest screens are 8bpc, so the 10bpc signal needs to be downcoded, and instead of just chopping off the least significant bits, it actually does colormapping on the Quest, which can't handle it lol

[little plinth]

on my 3060 oddly enough there's no difference

between H264 and HEVC

so i just use HEVC

i would expect h264 to have lower latency

sub 30ms would be nice to have

[haughty thistle]

Nope, Nvidia. I run a Varjo headset as my main HMD, and Varjo drivers don't work on AMD...

RTX 3090

[haughty thistle]

It has, but weirdly, only for the 150mbps. Once I crank up the bitrate, it goes total nuts...

[little plinth]

all GeForce card of the same generation will have the same nvenc encoder

which is dumb

i'd expect a 4090 to have better encoder than a 4060

[haughty thistle]

They sometimes do

[weak bluff]

easy way to see this is count the number of pins. This is what 10/100 (100Mbps) ethernet female looks like

[little plinth]

the thing has full 8 pins

[weak bluff]

oh

so even those fakes exist hmm hmm

[little plinth]

it's not really fakes

no reason to use different connector

it streamlines manufacturing

[haughty thistle]

The 1080Ti afaik had double the encoders compared to the 1060 for example. It didn't mean any better quality, but it meant you could run 3 applications on NVenc simultaniously on Windows if Shadow Play was enabled, compared to just one on the 1060...

[weak bluff]

6600 XT to 1080Ti for Quest 2 downgrade or upgrade?

[little plinth]

though my biggest bottleneck on latency is on my pico 4's decoding side

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, not always a guarantee. The material costs saved are so little, they get outweighed by running a secondary manufacturing band for the lower pincount connector...

[little plinth]

despite the pico's XR2 having higher clocks it appears it has the same decoder speed as the Q2

[rustic garnet]

Little bit of an upgrade but i probably wouldn't go for it considering pascal is so old

[little plinth]

it sucks ass on that side

how does QPro decoder perform @haughty thistle

which has XR2+ right?

[weak bluff]

i just want it for the vram

[weak bluff]

its a small bump

like

small

[little plinth]

the decoder might be different

which is independent from the CPU side

[haughty thistle]

Same. The XR2+ in the QP is basically just an XR2 with the memory moved off the SOC for better cooling, meaning much higher clockspeeds. But the video decoding on these chips is handled by fixed function hardware, which'll always perform the same...

[little plinth]

so the only hope is Quest 3

[weak bluff]

Qualcomm have not even announce it yet

[haughty thistle]

The only hope if for manufacturers to support DP-Alt Mode. Image compression is only a solution for wireless, not for wired.

[rustic garnet]

How so

[little plinth]

a G2 would be nice, but i also like having standalone

so basically suffer with it

[haughty thistle]

What's stopping you from owning both?

[little plinth]

Pico Neo 3 has DP link but yeaaa it's outdated at this point

[weak bluff]

you want standalone get a laptop

[little plinth]

money

nah i use the pico 4 to watch movies in a virtual theatre and a laptop is just not the same

the giant "screen" is nice to have

[weak bluff]

you want lossless movies get Blu-ray

streaming loses quality regardless anyways

[little plinth]

the giant screen and the fact that no one can see what i'm seeing

which has a

bonus purpose

[haughty thistle]

The PN3 is like a cheap knock-off from the Quest 2. No reason to get one, especially as you'd kinda get the worst of both worlds. All the downsides that come with Quest 2-like hardware, plus worse comfort and build quality. Literally the only plus it has is it's DP-Alt mode support, but at that point you might as well just get a G2...

[little plinth]

Quest 3 is about the only possible hope for better decoder performance

or

[haughty thistle]

Acktschually: Blu-Rays also have compressed image on them.
Not nearly as compressed as streaming tho. Best that Netflix will give ya for 1080p is 12mbps, compared to a regular 1080p Blu-Ray with it's (usually) around 30-40mbps. The Quality difference is noticable. Quite so I mayy add...

[little plinth]

deckard?

but hoping on deckard is like hoping valve can count to 3
nobody knows yet

[weak bluff]

ok but well it is great that quality is noticable

Here is my (Horrible) standalone idea: Get a HP Reverb (550g) and attach Hades Canyon NUC (1.5Kg) as counterweight and some in front as another counterweight (Gotta keep both side 1.5Kg)

[haughty thistle]

Even on a non-4k Screen (3440x1440) you can still notice a quality uplift between an upscaled UHD Blu-Ray release and it's 1080p counterpart. So I ended up just buying the UHD release regardless of if it's upscaled or not lol

UHD Blu-Rays usually have a bitrate of around 50-70mbps HEVC and are 10bpc HDR. Tells you a lot about efficiency of newer encoders...

[little plinth]

when AV1 goes as mainstream as HEVC it would be nice

[weak bluff]

well... knowing how many streaming service skip HEVC but not AV1 tells how good it is

[haughty thistle]

Part of it is that HEVC is propriatary and requires licensing, AV1 does not

[little plinth]

still need a way to improve DCS performance

FFR and FSR 80% still barely above 60

i feel like some setting is bottlenecking it

like in project wingman, somehow cloud resolution half my FPS

dropping from 640 to 512 instantly fixed it

which is just a one notch down

[weak bluff]

There's a standalone vr headset project that is under development from WalkerDev

They are making Pancake lens and will open source the lens too

Thats a standalone that can do PCVR

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe have it in watch list

Recent weeks there has been a lot of progress

[little plinth]

I don't have much hope for it

If even pico 4 that is backed by a giant company struggle in software availability

And it will probably be expensive

For what you get

-no big company to subsidize price
-no power of mass scale

But of course we'll see

These are simply assumptions

[weak bluff]

Me too but what i do care is the open source pancake lens

Market has plenty established fresnel lens but very few pancake lens

Even if this fails i want to scrape the leftover for DIY or other smallcompany pick it up

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/zDX9qZ0ttz8

[rancid kestrel]

How do you have >1K notifications?

[rustic garnet]

HE'S MAKING IT IN TINKERCAD?? of all softwares

[rustic garnet]

if it just runs steamvr there will be plenty software availability

[sullen linden]

It's not really that simple, theres lots more that goes into it, you can't just plug a processer into a couple led panels and lenses and it works, it needs a lot of software

and needs to be fast

[rustic garnet]

Yeah well but that's just one driver that's like the bare minimum for getting the thing working

the issue with most standalone platforms except the quest is nobody bothers making games for them

[little plinth]

Pico's library is getting pretty good

Only lacking some games like beat saber and vrc

Beat saber is well... Owned by oculus so

More correctly meta

[rancid kestrel]

SteamVR takes care of a decent chunk of software, not that it's easy even with that.

[burnt oasis]

bad idea to make it standalone, should focus its cost and resources on everything else instead

since it uses lcd, make it a more budget bigscreen beyond instead of trying to compete with the quest 3 which will likely be cheaper and better anyways

and have better software for it

it'll probably be a flop but hope it goes well for him

just don't see the target audience going for his headset over the others

[weak bluff]

If you are not a big company its go big or go home because you cannot profit from mass production

I dont believe enough for it to succeed but regardless i will be interested in its leftovers

[lament sedge]

Is the rift s better then the quest 2

[formal willow]

nah

[lusty dagger]

For pcvr only id actually choose the rift s over the q2.

For everything else - q2 obv...

[lament sedge]

Ok

[warm stirrup]

The most asked question of all time lmao

[cedar belfry]

i literally cannot record videos in vr and it's making me fucking insane
the video stream in vr jumps around, makes the bitrate shit, and i can't interact with vr very nicely

im broke, and can't afford anything

it used to work fine with beat saber and it's not working anymore, im not sure what happened but i don't like it, and i give up

[little plinth]

If you use quest 2

Can't you just record from it

[cedar belfry]

I'm on PC, with Oculus Link. Recording doesn't work like that

and no i will not switch to standalone

[little plinth]

I mean you can still record

At least that's how on my pico

I just record my pcvr gameplay on it

But i assume there's similar stuff on quest

[weak bluff]

Ok try use your integrated graphic for recording then

Change OBS settings to QuickSync

[obtuse quest]

Does Beat Saber DLC cross-buy on Steam and Quest?

It does not, rip

[little plinth]

buy on quest

pirate on PC

[cedar belfry]

i did the exact opposite xd

[cedar belfry]

What if that's not an option

[little plinth]

QSV

[cedar belfry]

Wait nvm I found it. Will try and tell you

[weak bluff]

Ok i though it was odd since you have i3-8100 with integrated graphics

QSV is QuickSync i believe

[cedar belfry]

yea it was under advanced

[weak bluff]

Oh

Ok i have no idea since ive been using F SKU CPU in all my PC builds

[cedar belfry]

I like CPUs with integrated graphics as a backup

Damn it, lemme restart my PC

I refuse to use -vrmode oculus

[cedar belfry]

That makes it sooo much worse

My CPU is pegged at almost 100% while only running the game

[weak bluff]

You are hardware bottlenecked wherever you go

Welp time to buy a cheap capture card

[cedar belfry]

I don't think it's worth it if my CPU is always pegged

Is there a way I can skip the Oculus Dash and go right to SteamVR?

[little plinth]

VD?
i don't know anything about Quest's way of doing it

[cedar belfry]

Not sure this is how the recording is supposed to be

I could record 4K beat saber just fine with the same exact hardware. Should I reinstall Windows?

[weak bluff]

OculusKiller

https://github.com/LibreQuest/OculusKiller

It even saves you RAM usage

[cedar belfry]

Thats what I'm looking for

Noww, how to save CPU...

[weak bluff]

Altho this has not been updated in a year and i suggested this to one of my friend and it did not work

Buy new CPU (lol) used 9th gen should be pretty cheap and they are unwanted due to lack of HT

See Core i5-9400F or maybe even Core i9-9900

[cedar belfry]

im tryna kill oculus and it keeps opening ;-;

[weak bluff]

9400F are $75 where i live

[cedar belfry]

oh my god lol

[cedar belfry]

it... works

[weak bluff]

Great

You saved like 200MiB of VRAM

[cedar belfry]

Are u sure he was killing the service and not OVRServer_x64

[weak bluff]

Idk

[cedar belfry]

I can safely go to 500% render resolution, but only in beat saber with no OBS

VRChat is just a mess

[little plinth]

Is there actually any benefit to going above 100%

Considering my 100% is already 2160x2160
My GPU would get pretty pegged lel

[cedar belfry]

im on a 1060

and it is crystal clear

[cedar belfry]

tysmmm, i can now run vrchat at 200% render res and not lag

10/10 tool, W creator

still doesn't fix obs but eh

[lusty dagger]

Depends on Headset. F. E. For the Index and i think any parrallel Projected hmd you need to go higher, default for the Index f. E. Is 144%.

Going higher is basically very advanced anti aliasing in terms of how the pic Looks. Downsampled almost always Looks better than native. At the cost of obv rendering higher res...

[cedar belfry]

I stopped noticing resolution improvements on the Quest 2 around 230-240%

[haughty thistle]

It's called super sampling. It renders the image at a higher the native resolution and the downscales it for AA.
This is not to be confused with the rendering overhead for lens correction which is already factored into the 100% render resolution

Super Sampling in my personal experience doesn't do much of an effect on the Quest or Pico tho. There is a noticable difference but it's so much less then on a DP headset, prolly because the compression makes the image quite soft as-is and thus Super Sampling doesn't really do much...

[cedar belfry]

It does make it nice
Just... don't go too high on a shit system like mine on VRChat

I tried 500% on Beat Saber, thought it was fine because it was

I opened VRChat the next day, forgot and it was completely unusable xd

[weak bluff]

VRChat suffers from slow memory I believe since it benefitted from large fast cache it probably has a lot of memory calls

[lusty dagger]

It does? Didnt found that yet - but im also using 3600mt/s Cl16...

[weak bluff]

both memory speed and latency

like you need L3 cache to make difference better RAM not much

if there is a way to test CPU with HBM memory it might confirm my theory

L3 cache is low latency while HBM is very fast speed and we know low L3 cache suffers VRChat

[rancid kestrel]

I mean, HBM on the CPU would kind of be a L4.

AMD is probably going to have some of that on server CPUs soon.

[lusty dagger]

So you are talking Cache, not ram.

Which would Match with my experience

[weak bluff]

I mean good memory and L3 is one type of memory

L3 is faster than RAM and better in latency but i could not confirm if VRChat runs good because of faster memory or better latency

The PC will use RAM if it runs out of L3 cache which is a difference of like getting milk from fridge compared to driving to store and get milk

[lusty dagger]

I. Know.

I was just confused because noone calles Cache as memory, but ram. So i thaught of ram alone, where the speed difference doesnt matter like at all for vrc - acording to my experience.

Avis and stuff are also in vram, and outsourced to ram if thats full cause vrc is horrible in ram cleanup (both vram and normal...)

[weak bluff]

Large part is probably Unity to blame

[lusty dagger]

Eac Update changed everything. Dunno why. Eac itself isnt much of an issue normally.

[lusty dagger]

And for the extreme ram ussage its also not unity. Its the way they made vrc.

It keeps avis you seen in ram for like 3 World hops. And when people change avis a lot.

Aka very Bad.

[weak bluff]

no i mean how CPU intense it is and high memory calls

ram use then idk

it used to be that Intel is the best CPU maybe because of Intel Ring Bus and fast single thread but ever since AMD 3D V-Cache came out I realise its more complex than that

[lusty dagger]

Ye.

5800x3d still only 75fps Max in vrc.

CPU bound.

Before the eac Update i could easily do 100 with my 5600x...

[rancid kestrel]

DDR is essentially L4 and the SSD L5. :V

[dawn magnet]

Thoughts on buying a Valve Index used for 400 USD in the current year?

[warm stirrup]

Full kit???

[dawn magnet]

Yep

Supposedly.

If it ends up being a lie I can return it

[warm stirrup]

Damnnnnn

That's a deal and a half

[dawn magnet]

I bought it already so it wouldnt get bought up

But I'm curious if people think it'd be better to wait for the next-gen headsets to release

[warm stirrup]

Not for that price

[dawn magnet]

Fair I guess. lol

But if a new valve index 2 or something released in 6 months or so then I'd rather wait probably

[warm stirrup]

Depends on how much you can spend, its likely going to be above 1k usd. Chances are that the index 2 won't release within the next year or so but you never know

[dawn magnet]

Yeah nobody knows for sure obviously

Wouldnt want a situation similar to buying an RTX 2080 right before the 3080 came out (minus stock shortages) but with a VR headset

But it sounds like there probably wont be a "more for less money" kind of new headset

[warm stirrup]

Yeah, but 400 bucks for an index regardless of whether or not the index 2 comes out is still a good deal. The issue I can see is that the index tends to break easily and it seems like u bought it used which means you wouldn't have the warranty. That could become an issue

[gloomy crater]

I got my Index for $600 in 2020 and other than the fact that I can't play it right now because both my controllers are broken and Valve won't RMA them and I don't have the money to replace them, I'm really happy with it.

[dawn magnet]

Yeah, I'll try to test it as best I can before the return window. All I can do I guess

[gloomy crater]

My suggestion for anyone buying a used index, get ahold of the Steam ID of the account that originally purchased it, cause otherwise Valve will refuse to have anything to do with your headset if something breaks. I've been trying to get ahold of the guy who sold me mine so I can get his Steam ID to give to Valve so they'll hopefully help me out but I haven't had any luck.

And there's no way I'm spending $300 on a pair of brand new controllers for such an old headset. So my only options are find a way to fix them myself or wait for whatever's next to come out

[dawn magnet]

Thanks for the tip then actually. I'll try to get that from the seller

[warm stirrup]

If ya just wanna do vr while you wait, quest 2s and rift cv1s are cheap nowadays.

[gloomy crater]

I could in theory use my old Quest 1 in the meantime. I gave it to a family member when I bought my Index and then she replaced it with a Quest 2 earlier this year, so if I find myself on the other side of the state anytime soon I'd be able to swing by and pick that up to use.

I'm pretty sure I still have my prescription lense inserts for it as well

[dawn magnet]

Reminds me I need to get some prescription lenses. Anyone have reputable recommendations?

[gloomy crater]

I'm pretty sure my Quest 1 lenses were from WidmoVR and my Index ones were from VROptician? Both were pretty good imo, no complaints. But there are some differences between the two you might wanna look into iirc

[dawn magnet]

alright, will look into it. Thanks!

[harsh niche]

eBay?

[chrome grotto]

Is virtual desktop for the quest broken right now? My PC is struggling to maintain 90fps. It definitely shouldn’t be struggling. It was in beatsabre as well so not an insanely heavy game.

[burnt oasis]

it's worth it tbh, compatible with bigscreen beyond and other steam vr headsets, not to mention future ones

[gloomy crater]

I was kinda hoping that better controllers would come out in the future to replace them rather than the index knuckles being the one-and-only top of the line controllers for the rest of time. The existing issues with the index controllers are pretty hard to ignore, so getting updated ones with sticks that don't break or drift, and touch sensors that you can calibrate and don't start to peel over time would be great

[burnt oasis]

i mean on paper those controllers are the best ones currently, only ways it could be better is it being self tracked and better lifespan

[gloomy crater]

Overall yeah, they are the best. But they can be made to be better. This is everything I'm hoping to see in the next interation of the index controllers: the sticks suck, so they'd be better off with OTB hall effect sticks. The touch sensors are only one layout, so people with abnormal hand sizes and shapes can't use gestures due to their fingers not falling in the places the controllers expect, so it would be better to be able to calibrate the sensors to the users' fingers. Plus, the plastic coating on both the top and side touch sensors starts to peel up with prolonged contact, so they could use a revised composition that isn't as prone to that. The batteries should be user serviceable, so that as time goes on and the cells wear down, you can open them up and replace them without having to buy new controllers or try to get them RMA'd only to have the request denied because batteries degrading over time isn't covered under warranty. That's pretty much all the major stuff, some other minor nitpicks I have are that the stickers on the controllers that have the serial number and other product info wear off way too easily, and that there's definitely enough space above the trigger for a classic bumper button to be placed for more control scheme options (there are loads of games where you have to press the trigger to pick up objects, which can result in accidentally using or activating items since triggers are also often used in activation. Using a bumper for picking up these items, and a trigger for activating them would be more intuitive) maybe they'd have to adjust the ergo a bit to add a bumper, but that could be done

[weak bluff]

https://www.roadtovr.com/meta-prototype-vr-retinal-resoltion-light-field-passthrough/

20/20 vision demo at 50° FOV

[haughty thistle]

To quote my actual optician about the Widmo inserts:

These are the cheapest lenses I've ever seen.
Reason I had to bring my Widmo inserts to him was because the adapters were faulty and the lenses had to be transferred to new adapters that Widmo had sent me.
Never had any issues with VRoptician and their inserts overall seem to be of much higher quality. Plus for the same price you get a nice storage case from VRO 😄

[haughty thistle]

56PPD still ain't human eye resolution (that's still somewhere between 60 and 100), but I guess it's close enough for marketing purposes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little plinth]

you can also get just the frame and go to your local optician to make your lense

good way to get one quickly since you skip shipment

[dawn magnet]

Nope. "Mercari".

[dawn magnet]

Sounds good. Will probably go with them

[violet fog]

is there any place to buy the steam index cheaper in Europe other than steam itself? I assume I need the full 1080€ package with the base stations

[weak bluff]

Buy... Used?

[violet fog]

used cheapest are around 750. Don't think it's worth the mark down for out of warranty older versions

[weak bluff]

Its bit pricey so just keep an eye for 600 deals

On adverts.ie i can find 2 listing at €650

Check fb marketplace too

[violet fog]

thanks, forgot fb had such a thing. I'll keep it in mind

[weak bluff]

Alsp Index have 2 years of warranty so.. plenty

If sold in EU

[rancid kestrel]

That feeling when you get 22nd globally on Beat Saber song.

[burnt oasis]

or they can just use external batteries tbh

[burnt oasis]

honestly anything beyond 40ppd really doesn't matter, unless you're already at around 140fov or higher at that ppd then it actually makes sense to go higher

[lusty dagger]

Untill you realize only a few hundered ever played it xd

Just looked mine up xD

I have a few top 10 plays - but like noone played These - or like mostly casuals...

But the best ranked Song i played, is blaster - 60th though lol

[rancid kestrel]

But it's a good official song.

The higest I have is 13.

[lusty dagger]

Ew official

xd

[rancid kestrel]

They actually work.

:V

[lusty dagger]

But then 22th is quite impressive i think...

Unless its like a lower diff - like on expert i was also quite high mostly

And thats when i started beatsaber lol

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah expert.

[lusty dagger]

Ye

I got 3rd on a Song. But Looks like im 3rd out of 3 lmao...

And also horrible acc, not great mapping, non ranked, and like first try cause i didnt like the map - allthough the Song is very cool.

[rancid kestrel]

Man Unity has a super awful CDN, I just want to make more interactive VR card game stuff without having to make an entire game in a VM. :V

[haughty thistle]

Unity has Linux build support, wut? The reason I'm so confused is because afaik the editor is Windows only

[weak bluff]

It can build for Linux

The editor does not necessarily need to be linux compatible to export to Linux build

Its only for when you export finished product

Also there are specific unity editors that works on Linux since 2019 and launched in 2021

[rancid kestrel]

I'm using Linux, it doesn't let you do VR in Linux even though Linux has VR software.

[haughty thistle]

Typical Unity Moment

They probably only have a Windows SteamVR and OpenXR library internally. 'Cause y'know, you kinda need to have these at compile time for support and when the Linux support was never written to support these then yeah...

[cedar belfry]

What's the NPS?

[lusty dagger]

Nps is a horrible indicator.

Its a techy acc map as far as i can remember.

[cedar belfry]

you should try 265d0

a fun vibro jump map

https://youtu.be/muRuKw9lEw0

[lusty dagger]

You should try playing anything good :p

[gloomy crater]

This map, it gives me emotions. None of them are particularly positive.

Then again, my taste in maps sucks bc all of the ones I like are from 2020, when I first started playing.

[cedar belfry]

oh cmon it's actually a good map

if u can get on tmr (my time, est) we should hop in a beat together lobby and you show me what's a good map

[lusty dagger]

Vibro also has nothing to do with rhythmgameing

Part of the reason why you either like it - if you succ at Rhythm, or hate it, if you like rhythmgames.

[cedar belfry]

i do play normal maps

for example
https://beatsaver.com/maps/15939

[warm stirrup]

I'm confused as to why people hate on freedom dive (new version), sure it's pretty much the same pattern but it's so damn fun lol

[cedar belfry]

which one there's so many

[warm stirrup]

The one with interdimensional Rift as it's hardest difficulty

[cedar belfry]

on a serious note, i place good

[cedar belfry]

bsr?

[warm stirrup]

https://beatsaver.com/maps/1a459

I love both the middle difficulty and the hardest

My favorite map tho has to be compute it with some devilish alcoholic steampuck engines

Josh's whiskey difficulty

https://beatsaver.com/maps/1de98

[cedar belfry]

I don't see anything wrong with this other than the fact it's a bunch of streams

[rancid kestrel]

Here's a weird one: is there any way I can plug my wireless Vive into the wall so I could do development with it without blowing through the battery?

[haughty thistle]

As long as it's a Qualcomm QC3 powerbrick with at least 1.5A in 12V mode then it should work. Some bricks may not cope well with being run at full blast for extended periods (as QC3 throttles charging quite early in the cycle), but it's worth a shot. I have like a generic looking QC3 charger (literally just says Qualcomm QC3 on the front with the specs listed on the back) that works just fine for the Vive WA

[wintry wolf]

Is the Rx 5800 xt good for vr

Like and cards in general are they good for vr cuz idk I may buy a 5800xt

[rancid kestrel]

That's not wall power though.

[haughty thistle]

If it's a charger you plug in the wall? You can just use a USB extension cable from the charger and plug that into the Vive provided cable. Like I said, as long as the charger supports Qualcomm QC3 at 12V/1.5A you can use it. In fact, any Qualcomm QC3 12/1.5A power source can be used for the Vive Wireless adapter. It doesn't care if it's from a battery, wallcharger or whatever...

[rancid kestrel]

I'm going to guess Pixel stuff uses USB PD?

[weak bluff]

That card does not exist

[rancid kestrel]

Here's a stupid idea: can you use a second GPU as an output for OBS?

[haughty thistle]

Often USB PD stuff is backwards compatible to Qualcomm QC3. Tho not always. If you have an AVHzY you can check the capabilities of your charger to confirm

[rancid kestrel]

I can also just try it. :V

[haughty thistle]

Or that 😄

[rancid kestrel]

That's a big no.

[weak bluff]

It's not stupid but not good either

If your goal is to reduce main gpu usage then it is better to upgrade than doing messy multi gpu

If you just want separate hardware to stream it is better to use capture card and separate computer

[rancid kestrel]

I just happen to have a card I could use for it.

60 FPS and a lower resolution would be much easier to render.

[weak bluff]

Sure but idk how to deal with multiple drivers mess

[rancid kestrel]

I mean, I have a 4090 and a 960 in one system and they work fine, this would be a 3060 and a 960.

The games would just need support.

[weak bluff]

Its ok

It can be messy but its ok

[rancid kestrel]

Head crabs are OP.

[rancid kestrel]

https://youtu.be/yxtUo3bzzXo

Not my record but.

[cedar belfry]

is that DA and FS?

[rancid kestrel]

DA and FS?

[cedar belfry]

Disappearing Arrows and Faster Song

[rancid kestrel]

Yes.

[cedar belfry]

Looks very accable

is it ranked on any leaderboard?

[rancid kestrel]

I'm 13th in the world.

[cedar belfry]

send ur profile

[rancid kestrel]

How do you do that?

[cedar belfry]

send the link when you go to scoresaber or beatleader

https://www.beatleader.xyz/u/76561199143207720

[rancid kestrel]

That doesn't have me, looks unofficial.

[cedar belfry]

wha

do you have a scoresaber?

[rancid kestrel]

I have Beat Saber.

[cedar belfry]

i know

scoresaber and beatleader are leaderboard mods

[rancid kestrel]

Mods break stuff for me.

[cedar belfry]

show me a screenshot of your rank

[rancid kestrel]

13th

[cedar belfry]

so it's an OST song

[rancid kestrel]

It's a Queen song.

[cedar belfry]

I don't own that music pack or I'd try sniping it

[sullen linden]

Anyone having issues with blade and sorcery running at only 60 fps when you know it will run better?

It's like capped at 69

60

I turned of aws

And made sure my refresh rate on oculus was set to 120 hz

[cedar belfry]

oculus store or steam

[sullen linden]

Steam

[sullen linden]

It's link

And steam vr home runs at 120 fps

[cedar belfry]

if it's steam, then +fps_max 0 for cap and -refresh 120 for set framerate

[sullen linden]

It's been driving me mad

[sullen linden]

Where would I even put that?

[cedar belfry]

please don't use steamvr home

[sullen linden]

Should I use something else?

[cedar belfry]

launch options

[sullen linden]

Ohhh

[cedar belfry]

no, steamvr is fine just don't open the home

[sullen linden]

I see now

[sullen linden]

It auto opens tho

[cedar belfry]

unless you can run it perfectly fine

[cedar belfry]

you can turn that off

[sullen linden]

I have a 4070

[cedar belfry]

lucky mf

[sullen linden]

Should I even bother

[sullen linden]

Ik ik

Thanks tho dude

God you saved me a lot of pain and suffering

[cedar belfry]

lmk if it works

[sullen linden]

Alright

So let me get this down

So idrc what my max fps is

Just that it can run 120fps

[cedar belfry]

+fps_max 0 -refresh 120
it should work

[sullen linden]

So should I put just -refresh 120

[sullen linden]

Oh ok

Thanks man

[cedar belfry]

yw

[sullen linden]

I'm gonna try rn and I'll lyk

[cedar belfry]

the 0 in +fps_max means unlimited

[sullen linden]

That's what I guessed

[sullen linden]

Still 60 fps...

[cedar belfry]

Try adding -freq 120

Launch options are weird

[sullen linden]

Alright

On top of everything else right?

[cedar belfry]

Yeah

[sullen linden]

Alright

[cedar belfry]

+fps_max 0 -refresh 120 -freq 120

[sullen linden]

This is what I hwve

Should I try oculus vr mode?

Or keep in steam

[cedar belfry]

Keep in steam

Oculus VR mode uses Oculus XR Runtime

[sullen linden]

Alright

I'm gonna try again

Thanks man for the help tho

[cedar belfry]

yw!

[sullen linden]

Still 60 fps 😭

Bas also did this with my old 3060

And rx 590

But those where capped at 72 instead of 60

[cedar belfry]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/629730/discussions/2/3767858179331790007/
People are also having issues

[sullen linden]

Yeah I saw those

They say to disable aws

[cedar belfry]

3, if youre trying to run the game at more than 90hz, dont, the game isnt build for it

[sullen linden]

I did and literally nothing happened :/

[sullen linden]

I also saw that but it's a bit old

There's been updates since

And I'd rather run at 90 hz if I could

Then 60

60 hz in vr is painful

At this point idk what to do

Also if I use the steam lantcy thing

I can see

That I'm getting more than 120 fps

[cedar belfry]

Maybe use Oculus VR mode, if Steam isn't letting ya
Keep the same launch options tho

[sullen linden]

I'll try ig kinda running out of options

I'll lyk as always

Yep

60 fps

[sullen linden]

Honestly oculus vr ran worse than steam in general like idk how to explain...

But if it would have worked I would have used it

[cedar belfry]

Oculus VR mode kinda shits on everything, not sure why

[sullen linden]

The only other game that has this issue is rec room

Stuff like boneworks and bonelab don't have this issue

[cedar belfry]

The launch options will still work, if the game supports it

[sullen linden]

I mean yeah I'll try copy and pasting the same ones into rec room as well

[cedar belfry]

Rec Room should be easy to run

unless some kid fucks around with the maker pen and spawns in hundreds of small things and reaches the ink limit

[warm stirrup]

Oculus worked better for my friend lol, his fps went from 40 to 70

Rtx 3060

[sullen linden]

Ik a 4070 should be able to handle rec room

But 40 fps on it is crazy

[haughty thistle]

The problem is having both runtimes active at the same time. If you bypass Oculus and go straight to SteamVR with for example VD then you legit get much better performance then running Quest Link/Air Link

[sullen linden]

Oh...

I have pretty trash wifi so link is kinda my only option

[cedar belfry]

I get the nice warning from Oculus that says their runtime isn't the default, so I'm happy

[sullen linden]

I set mine as default a while ago...

[haughty thistle]

There's actually a tool for byassing SteamVR for runtimes that have a native OpenXR implementation but support SteamVR for games native to that. It's called OpenComposite and is a drop-in replacement for the SteamVR interface dll in games which then makes the game run OpenXR instead. Doesn't make sense for when your headset is SteamVR native, but it can improve performance by quite a bit on say WMR, Varjo or even Oculus...

[sullen linden]

Hmm...

I might have to do that

Thanks to all of you for helping

[cedar belfry]

I like the SteamVR environment

OculusKiller also helped with my performance

[sullen linden]

Steamvr 100x better than anything with oculus in my opinion

[haughty thistle]

Same. I only use OpenComposite for games that are seated, as in Varjo OpenXR i loose the chaperone bounds (it's a steamVR thing and Varjo doesn't read the bounds to render them themselves unfortunatly)

[cedar belfry]

OVRAS might help

[haughty thistle]

From what I understand it just kills the Oculus background processes not strictly needed for Link and such when running SteamVR, right?

[cedar belfry]

It kills pretty much anything Oculus. It just gets rid of Dash and autolaunches SteamVR

https://github.com/LibreQuest/OculusKiller

[haughty thistle]

I use that already, but it's a steamVR thing. What I was talking about is bypassing SteamVR entirely by running a game using the Varjo native OpenXR implementation using OpenComposite...

[cedar belfry]

I forget who told me abt it but

[haughty thistle]

Some processes will still be running 'cause Link is just another process running in the background and is needed for Link...

[cedar belfry]

It keeps it functional

Also, it's not a pain in the ass for me to get into VR! With Oculus Dash, it wouldn't load, or it would load and it would crash, kicked me out, and i had to restart everything, and it was a whole mess

[haughty thistle]

This tool is basically the Oculus equivilant of the setting in WMR to auto-launch SteamVR on startup. But hey, if it works, then that's great 👍

[cedar belfry]

Not sure if it would help my other Quest 2...

[sullen linden]

ok i'm trying this out do i get oculus killer and the other OpenCompostie

[cedar belfry]

That Quest 2 is shit, not sure if it's software or hardware, but it just kills itself with Link and sends me back to the Quest 2 home

[haughty thistle]

Pretty sure you can only do one or the other. OpenComposite would bypass SteamVR and run the game using the Oculus OpenXR implementation and the other bypasses Oculus to make the headset like it's SteamVR native

[cedar belfry]

My first Quest 2 doesn't like Link unless it's Air Link
the second one I have, doesn't like the standalone home environment and jumps around

[sullen linden]

...

[haughty thistle]

Try Oculus killer first, and if that doesn't help turn it off and try OpenComposite 🙂

[sullen linden]

ok i'll try that thank you

[cedar belfry]

I fooled the SteamVR Performance Test, aaand I can run VR on my iGPU at a stable 30fps
I won't explain how, other than I messed with things I don't remember

[haughty thistle]

The SteamVR performance test is from a time when the OG Vive was still the most high end HMD and a GTX 980Ti was about as good as you could have for VR. It's very outdated and not even worth for a quick "hey can I run VR" test...

[solar spire]

I bought a Quest 2 before I wound up getting arthritis. and now the left controller (taken from Google images) side trigger grip seems too recessed, my middle finger won’t quite hit it the right way. Was wondering if anybody knew of a solution, perhaps to extend the button out a bit so that my finger can reliably hit the trigger without it being as painful.

[cedar belfry]

May seem weird but what I've done a year or two ago was taped a smol block of foam to my finger. I was weird back then

[solar spire]

That’s kinda what went through my head as well, weirdly enough. Any in particular from Amazon you can think of?

[cedar belfry]

Not really, I just have foam around my house from packages and such

What about the thin foam sheets you can get at the dollar store, and just tape them together?

[solar spire]

Fair enough. And just kinda hold it there without a need to glue it or anything or is adhesive advisable

[cedar belfry]

I used tape

You can also make a little thing out of a ziptie, just don't hurt yourself

[solar spire]

Makes sense.

[cedar belfry]

I would not adhere or use glue on my fingers. Too dangerous to adhere, and too messy to glue

Normal clear tape did the job for me

[solar spire]

https://a.co/d/0JY5n08 saw these. Maybe these could work?

Granted i pick a small enough one that is.

[cedar belfry]

I assume the 0.55in is the height

Should work

Hell, you could even attach the thing to your controller instead of your finger each time

[solar spire]

That’s kinda what I was thinking, tbh.

My finger doesn’t bend back all the way to hit the trigger reliably anymore, finger just needs a bit of help reaching.

[cedar belfry]

That should work then, but I'm afraid the foam would squish too much
Can always give it a try

lol it's 3:41 AM, I can come up with weirddd things

[solar spire]

True. I’ll have to try it and see what happens.

Maybe I can double stack it who knows

[solar spire]

Well, looks like that’s taking a back burner, one of the sides of the strap seems to have broken off for some reason. I wasn’t even particularly rough with it either.

[cedar belfry]

The tightening thing?

[solar spire]

Yeah @cedar belfry

I was going to upgrade that soon anyhow, but like… dang man.

[cedar belfry]

which side, i don't use mine

i have an extra Left one

if u want

[solar spire]

@cedar belfry

This fella

[cedar belfry]

OH that thinggg

thought u were talking about the controller strap

[solar spire]

Nahhh, lol.

I meant this thing

I can still USE it, it’s just going to worry me half to death.

[cedar belfry]

Damn, the SAME THING happened to mine

[solar spire]

What’d you wind up replacing it with?

[weak bluff]

ouch i also have same issue

[solar spire]

Cause now I guess I’m using my $50 to strap hunt.

[weak bluff]

just buy 3rd party strap

better

[cedar belfry]

Nothing yet

[solar spire]

Are there any recommended ones that aren’t outrageously expensive?

[weak bluff]

or if you really insist buying replacement aliexpress sell exact same strap but uhh...... why would you

3rd party Quest 2 strap are not too expensive especially if you buy via aliexpress

[cedar belfry]

Like I knew the elite straps had issues but now the default straps?

[weak bluff]

default ones do have indeed but no one misses those

[solar spire]

Apparently.