virtual-reality

[jolly marsh]

just comparing the varjo XR-3 is both times more (6500 euros) and if im not wrong they work on the sectors i said earlier

[dull tide]

Is PC foviated rendering a mainstream PC thing? Thought it was great on PS5, then went back to my quest 2 and got used to turning my entire head to bring something into focus.

[weak bluff]

No since most headset lack eye tracking and it must be very low latency one

but it could be argued Quest 2 - the most popular - has fixed foveated rendering so its quite common

not the same as PS5

[little plinth]

There is foveated rendering
Just a crude one

Not eye tracked

Like mentioned above

On PC also

[tawdry dove]

It's important to not the difference between fixed foveated rendering and normal foveated rendering

Fixed foveated rendering is what the quest uses where the region that is being rendered at a lower res is unmoving

Foveated rendering is what the psvr used where the region that is rendered at a lower res moves around where the eye is

[haughty thistle]

FFR and DFR respectively. Foveated rendering in general defines a rendering technique in which only parts of the image are rendered at full resolution and the rest is rendered at a much lower res. FFR (or fixed Foveated Rendering) is where the full res section is static and always covers the center of the FOV and DFR (dynamic Foveated Rendering) is where the full res section is moved according to eye tracking measurements to always keep the full res section to where the user is looking.
I've tried DFR on the Varjo Aero and when it works, you don't even notice that what's in your periphery isn't even rendered at full res 👀

[dull tide]

Does it require special software or hardware? Or is just dependent on the headset

[haughty thistle]

FFR just requires the game to have a rendering pipeline that allows for a variable render resolution (which spoiler: most games don't). DFR also has that same requirement plus it also requires Eye Tracking hardware to be present in the headset as well

There are btw a very small selection of games that do FFR on PCVR as well (native too!). For example, the very crappy VR port of Hitman 3. As crappy as that port is, one way they did perf optimisation is to employ a 3-stage FFR. Center is at full res ofc, then there's a ring around that where the game is rendered at a lower res but full quality and upscaled using AMD FSR and the rest of the image is rendered at that same low resolution, not upscaled by FSR (just plane linear scaling there) and also a lot of shader effects are turned off in that third ring. Due to the lack of shader effects in the outer most FFR stage, I assume the devs never intended for that part to be ever seen in a VR headset, but it's definetly visible in my Varjo headset xD

Then there's also VRS, which stands for Variable rate shading. Quite a number of games actually support VRS, but only on Nvidia GPUs weirdly. Boneworks for example is one such title. With VRS, the shader render quality will be scaled as you get further and further away from the center of the FOV. This has the benefit that it can theoratically be even implemented with a mod into games, as all it requires is a few changes to the shader scripts and you should be golden...
That said, the performance improvements you get from VRS aren't that big. So it makes sense that Sony instead went for a system-wide DFR approach and forces developers to account for that...

[little plinth]

How about FFR on something like ALVR

[rancid kestrel]

I'm having some really bizarre issues with Beat Saber, if anyone knows much about VR stuff and fixing Beat Saber could you give it a look: https://steamcommunity.com/app/620980/discussions/2/3817410454882419694/

[dull tide]

Anyone using Q2/Virtual desktop for VR? Playing Pulsar Lost Galaxy and getting 32-34 FPS piloting

[haughty thistle]

Pretty sure what you're referring to is focused image compression, where the outer FOV sections get encoded at a lower res then the rest of the image. But the image is still rendered at full res to my knowledge.
Any sort of true Foveated Rendering requires Engine support afaik...

Fact is: SteamVR doesn't support it, so any PC game wanting to implement Foveated Rendering will need to do it themselves...

[rancid kestrel]

VRS is an interesting thing you can do with eye tracking too.

[dull tide]

I notice myself craving FR more in say sim games then FPS

I still want a directly connected VR HMD but damn it was nice to just walk into an open area with a laptop, wirelessly connecting to my home computer with both and just playing VR no cables

No eye tracking on Q3 right? Any news on higher bandwidth connections?

[tawdry dove]

from what we can tell. the pcvr experience isn't really gonna change with quest 3

I haven't heard anything on higher bandwidth streaming

we can't know for sure until it releases though

[rancid kestrel]

I wish Valve could get a wireless Index going.

If I had a job I'd pay an extra $200-$300 in a heartbeat.

[weak bluff]

There already is

Literally available on Steam official store

[rancid kestrel]

?

[weak bluff]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2154720/nofio_wireless_adapter_for_Valve_Index/

I just checked they ran out of stock preorder

But its there when you need it

[rancid kestrel]

Dang, once I get a job and buy a car I'm getting that and an Index.

It does look like it's third party though.

The Wi-Fi thing is a little spooky for RF reasons too.

[weak bluff]

It uses WiFi 6E at 6Ghz so basically no competition

[rancid kestrel]

Doesn't the Vive use 60GHz? I guess those are technically Wi-Fi too, 802.11ad/ay.

What's 5G at?

[sullen linden]

Doesn’t 5G just stand for 5 Gigahertz?

Or am I crazy?

[rancid kestrel]

The cellular tech.

I remember it was at some crazy frequency and that's why it can't go through much of anything.

[little plinth]

24-47GHz

4g is between 600MHz and 2.5GHz

But that's high band 5G

Medium band 5G is around 2.4GHz too

[thorny lily]

From a logical standpoint is it worth getting a quest 3 and ditching the quest 2?..

Idk the logistics so that's why I'm asking

Also can't sleep so just the most random questions from the back of my mind want answers

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 still have good value ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Quest 3 upgrades are small comfort, better standalone performance and maybe AV1 decoding.

Its too little for my own upgrade

Unfortunately some more important things are not upgraded like FOV, weight, strap, display (just little upgrade), controller.

[zinc timber]

quest 3 supposedly has actually usable ar passthrough

I guess meta fixed the depth sensor issue

[little plinth]

the big difference would be in standalone performance

and weight distribution

it would be way better to use Quest 3

the quest 3 center of gravity is closer to the head which should reduce perceived weight

[thorny lily]

Quest 2 is a brick on my eyes and it hurts

Altho really it's biggest problem for me in my glasses, It presses them against my nose which is what hurts, However I can't play without em otherwise I get massive headaches and I hate contacts so don't even suggest that

I got smaller glasses, They fit fine but if the headset is even the slightest but loose it does that, I can't get it to stop either it always slowly comes loose

[haughty thistle]

There are lens inserts you can buy. They essentially act like your regular glasses, but they mount directly into the headset and are about as low profile as you can get with vision correction in VR. Depending on the maker, they also do increase FOV slightly as well. I recommend the ones from VR Optician, super nice guys there, reasonable prices, high quality Zeiss lenses and all made in Germany 😄

[thorny lily]

[little plinth]

i checked vr optician before. still pretty pricy personally

and still not sure if i wanna replace my pico with q3

though biggest issue is 5-13 weeks delivery

[haughty thistle]

That's just... what happens with lenses made on order. When you order a set of inserts, they put in an order with Zeiss for each of your two lenses and Zeiss only makes the lenses by the order. Each person has such an individual prescription that you just cannot hold stock of anything...

[little plinth]

i think i'll get a frame and locally make the prescription lense on the same place i make my actual glasses

[little plinth]

5-13 weeks is the delivery itself not the production time

[haughty thistle]

That's DHL then...

[little plinth]

production time is written at 5 days

[rustic garnet]

couldn't you have just simple +/- prescriptions like reading glasses

and then custom ones for people like me

[haughty thistle]

Price wise, at least for the product, it's honestly pretty cheap. The place I go to usually lists these prices (65€) for a set of cheap diopter only lenses without the frame, soo... yeah...

[little plinth]

i got both astigmatism and myopia so i can't use regular preset lenses

though the myopia+astigmastism is only on my left eye

my right eye only got the astigmatism

[haughty thistle]

Even with diopter, there's so much variance. You'd essentially have to consider from +5 all the way to -12 in 0.25 increments...
And these were prescriptions I've seen/heard talking to other people. It may go even further then these numbers

For reading glasses, it usually doesn't matter if they're a bit out of spec, but for VR you'd want something matching your prescription...

[haughty thistle]

Astig + Myopia here as well. Tho in my case I'm within the prescription most places count into their base price, so for me it's the 65€ + shipping

[rustic garnet]

i mean, with the resolution of current hmds you don't need 2020 correction so there's some room for error in the prescription right

[haughty thistle]

You will still notice, even with a headset like the Index

[little plinth]

my left eye is only -1sph and -1.75cyl so i too still fit in the base

but yea i see a pico 4 lense frame on my local online shop

i can probably get that and just go to a regular optic store

make the lense there

my impatient self can't fathom waiting weeks for VR lenses 💀

[little plinth]

ALVR foveated encoding helps so much in perf
and still looks good when playing

definitely noticable on a screenshot

my 2200G going strong 💪

[thorny lily]

I mean, It isn't bad but if I did that I'd wait until I finally decided if I want to buy a quest 3 or not

Cause I'm still on the fence but I will probably get it anyways

[dull tide]

Do the triggers on the Q2 have analog input?

[haughty thistle]

The triggers on the back as well as the grip ones do. But only the trigger on the back has a touch sensor...

[dull tide]

Was playing a game that lets me have fine effects in the throttle. Could feather it on a XBONE controller but not a q2. Jus rebated to check if it was the game

[tawdry dove]

the only issue with DFR is that it'll look shit on recordings if you are recording at more than like 1080p

[haughty thistle]

It's honestly not that bad. I did record Varjo Base (which is the only native DFR Varjo app I have access to), and it wasn't too noticable honestly...

[little plinth]

got a lens protector, now i should worry less about fucking up the lense lel

on top of me already being super cautious

[gloomy crater]

Just to clarify: there's no reason an end consumer should have to have a cord plugged into the Micro USB port on a base station for long periods of time right

I'm acting as tech support for my mom whose coworker bought an HTC Vive but one of the base stations isn't working. I'm trying to explain that no, you don't have to plug the base station into your computer, it's wireless, you only need the power cord, and it has to be pointed at your play space

[warm stirrup]

Bro what those things are wireless? (Honestly asking)

[haughty thistle]

The Lighthouses only require power. In fact, if they have up to date firmware then the only function the micro-b port serves is for firmware recovery, not even regular firmware updating...

[gloomy crater]

Yeah that's what I thought. I let her know to try swapping the power cable from the working one to the non working one to see if it's a cable issue. I don't know if it's 'not working' as in it isn't even spinning up, or if it is but doesn't connect to her computer. It's possible to play with one base station until this problem gets sorted though, right?

[haughty thistle]

Yup. You can use just one lighthouse, but it will mean that you have to face it at all times...
If it is working and just not showing up, then a good chance is that the channels are setup wrong. With 2.0 lighthouses there's no channel indication from the outside, but there should be a tiny pinhole at the back for switching channels

[rancid kestrel]

Ask for a picture of it too.

[quick tartan]

hi

[little plinth]

Oh Pavlov PC now crossplay with PSVR2 that's nice

Quest users still stuck on shack unfortunately

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1668374173360574465?t=YFgqb99xHOa0H4zVBy0kuw&s=19

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley)

Tundra Labs is selling refurbished Valve Index items

HMD: $240
Controller Pair: $150
Tether: $90

https://t.co/8I0Xw5s7KY

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[dull tide]

Love it when you can go VR in a game where 97% of the playerbase plays it in pancake.

[haughty thistle]

They already sold out lol

[weak bluff]

Too good

I would buy it if i combo htc vive

[cosmic monolith]

Can the usb C port on a gigabyte rtx 2070 super be used for the meta quest 2?

[little plinth]

Quest don't use virtuallink

The only thing uses it right now that is new is the PSVR2

[cosmic monolith]

But isnt that only for the ps5?

[strong vortex]

It is. Virtuallink is DoA for PC gaming.

And iirc the Quest 2 only supports Oculus Link (either AirLink over WiFi or Link Cable via usb-c cable to a regular usb-c port, dunno about required spec/speed) and VirtualDesktop (also over wifi iirc?)

[haughty thistle]

Quest Link over a wire uses USB 3.0 Gen1 speeds (less then that actually, it maxes out at like 250mbps afaik)

[weak bluff]

Yes. USB C in GPU will function in normal USB mode instead of VirtualLink.

It will work the same as one in motherboard for Oculus Link

[strong vortex]

I wasn't sure cause I always plugged it into a 10gbps port and I use airlink 95% of the time anyway

[weak bluff]

So you won't get any additional advantage over the motherboard one

[strong vortex]

None

[cosmic monolith]

Well, it frees up one usb c port

Btw would having 2 rtx 2070 super cards improve performance?

[weak bluff]

Nope

Equal to 1 or worse

[cosmic monolith]

Even with like an SLI bridge between them?

[weak bluff]

SLI requires the game itself to support as well. No new games support that.

[cosmic monolith]

I heard that for vr games there is software that lets each eye get rendered by its own gpu tho, wouldn’t that like almost double the fps?

[weak bluff]

In theory that suppose to help but to do that is very hard and complicated.

[cosmic monolith]

i believe nvidia has its own software for it

[weak bluff]

If 2 gpu each render each eye it will require both gpu to output at same time which is very difficult to time it right

How can computer make sure 2 gpu meet atsame time then export to your headset at same time

It will cost alot of latency

Its not possible

The solution of sli is 1 gpu create half frame and other gpu create other half is what SLI in theory solve

But SLI is phasing out and you dont get SLI supported games anymore

Its useless without support. You cant take advantage of it.

[cosmic monolith]

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks/graphics/vrsli i think i found it

[weak bluff]

That is not the same as what you described

Ah how to explain this

Its not really each GPU render 1 eye

[cosmic monolith]

It does say that u can assign it to specific eyes tho

[weak bluff]

Both GPU work by flip flop which gpu will deliver the frame using the API

Some task are actually rendering twice with same thing

Only part of the stuff are rendering differently in each gpu

[cosmic monolith]

Oh so the load just gets shared?

[weak bluff]

I cannot confirm if this is like watching 1080i resolution like

[weak bluff]

Some load shared some load separated

Overall because of that the improvememt is small

Because it cannot split task completely

Some things still do twice

[haughty thistle]

A number of steps in the rendering pipeline are shared between both eyes, so if each eye would be handled by it's own GPU you'd loose the ability of sharing those initial steps for each eye (like setting up the scene, calculating meshes, etc.)

The performance gain would be 50% at best...

[burnt oasis]

yea it seems dumb nowadays to sli for vr

i thought current gpus just weren't going to be enough until the 4090 released

turned those heavy vr games on higher res vr headsets from 50-60fps to over 100

[weak bluff]

I think its more CPU issue than gpu

[haughty thistle]

*fixed 90
V-Sync is forced on in VR and you want that...

[little plinth]

the headset themselves are fixed but the game themselves definitely not

[burnt oasis]

no the x3d chips are good enough for vr

[weak bluff]

That is still not enough

[burnt oasis]

more cache in the 8 cores would be nice though

[weak bluff]

Also big benefits are mostly large draw call games

Games that ask a lot of memory call

[burnt oasis]

is it possible for them to stack more cache?

or over 100mb of l4 on top of the 96mb l3

[weak bluff]

Existing 3D V Cache has too much L3 cache actually. Its not a problem.

[haughty thistle]

Pretty much every compositor (SteamVR, Oculus Desktop, Quest OS, WMR, etc.) will force V-Sync onto applications running beneath it. You do not want screen tearing. I believe the only runtime that doesn't force V-Sync is the Pimax one, as I did experience some pretty severe tearing during my time with the 8k X and it was absolutely horrible...

[weak bluff]

L4 is slower

If you want to know wait for Meteor Lake

[burnt oasis]

so the cache isn't even used fully in cache heavy games? how come it beats the 13900k then

[weak bluff]

It beats 13900K but cache is not everything

And it still loses 13900K in game that does not need memory call as often

[burnt oasis]

in vr it's a more clear win for x3d cpus though

which id assume is cuz of cache

[weak bluff]

If fast memory is really that effective then server HBM2 would VRChat for hundreds of fps

Its also IPC of CPU architechture too

[burnt oasis]

wish there were more vr benchmarks

[weak bluff]

Cache no longer matter if cpu cannot call fast enough and L3 cache is less important than L2 or L1

[burnt oasis]

yea ik considering it has a 20% uplift over the 5800x3d despite same cache

i was planning on going 5800x3d for the time being but idk if an a520m can handle it

[weak bluff]

Then wait for 5600X3D lol

Also 5800X3D is fine

They are power efficient

[burnt oasis]

is a 5800x3d plus 6800xt fine on a 700-750w c tier?

[weak bluff]

Just bummer with PCI-e 3.0 whcih you should avoid latest GPU especially x4 and x8 lane GPU

[weak bluff]

It will run.

[burnt oasis]

doubt the pcie will bottleneck much on a last gen

well that is good to hear though

my upgrade will be much cheaper for the time being

[weak bluff]

Derbauer found small issue with PCIE x8 RTX 4060Ti on pcie 3.0

[burnt oasis]

dc about that gpu

[weak bluff]

So you are in cpu limit by then

Meaning any future gpu upgrade will bottleneck

[burnt oasis]

whatever it is i'll sell my 5600 and 3600 then

and my rx 580 and 6650xt

[weak bluff]

Sure

[burnt oasis]

idk which is more important for vr tbh

since vram wise i am getting maxed out at times

[weak bluff]

Just adjust to what you have

You cant prevent vram issue at that budget

[burnt oasis]

vram was slightly over 8000mb and my clock speeds would be at 1700mhz when it's a 6650xt

i can get 5800x3d for $279

so if i sell everything except my 6650xt i could afford a 5800x3d immediately

but dk if gpu more important

[weak bluff]

You are fine

5800x3d will last well

[burnt oasis]

ik that

but idk if i will get more gains from a gpu upgrade first

[weak bluff]

GPU is fine just dont worry about seeing every avatar since no one else can as well

[burnt oasis]

running 3864 x 1932 or something around there v

[weak bluff]

Your cpu will give you a lot of gain

[burnt oasis]

alright

[weak bluff]

I cant max my 6600XT with 12400F

[burnt oasis]

guess i'll just upgrade cpu and gpu then that build will be done with for good

[violet charm]

what would you guys say is the best fitness game on quest 2?

i mean i wanna see if i can bulk or gain a cut through quest 2

[zinc timber]

supernatural is supposed to be pretty decent

[little plinth]

someone makes slimevr trackers on my area
5 trackers for $95
is it worth it

compared to

making it on my own

with my nonexistent soldering skills

looks really nice too

almost like the official ones

[sullen linden]

Is an rtx 2060 enough for VR?

[gloomy crater]

Depends on the headset, but generally yes

[raw stone]

Running a valve index on a gt 210 😎

[warm stirrup]

Running index on Intel UHD 630 😎

[weak bluff]

What IMU?

That better be BMI160 or ICM20948

If it is MPU6050 or MPU 6500 then pass

[grizzled field]

bro there's no way thats possible, but when I get my quest 2 I am absolutely plugging it into my laptop with Intel UHD 620 graphics, who knows maybe it'll bluescreen XD

[weak bluff]

fun fact that is Windows Mixed Reality minimum requirement

you should not run at that spec anyways

[warm stirrup]

I'm just joking lol, my main machine uses uhd 630, it can run very glitchy forest vr on quest 2 at 15 fps

[weak bluff]

you can watch 360 videos on it

[grizzled field]

no joke? huh, thats not as bad as I thought it would be, I thought it would like straight up bluescreen

[warm stirrup]

No, it cannot do much more tho

Although its that with the resolution all the way down and all graphics settings to lowest

[grizzled field]

meh thats what I'm used to daily driving a laptop with those graphics

[warm stirrup]

I feels bro

I'm upgrading this winter

to a 3070 ti

[grizzled field]

I'm building a PC sometime this fall or winter, probably a 6600 if I'm going new, but it depends on what I can find used

[warm stirrup]

yeah I think 6600 can be found for cheap on ebay

[grizzled field]

yeah and it can be found new for only 180

[warm stirrup]

Intels gpu is only 20 bucks more than that, pretty sure it has more performance than the 6600. although I don't know about it's vr performance

[weak bluff]

Intel has money. There is no need to buy to support them. Just buy what works best for you.

Or maybe you buy for that sweet AV1 with Quest 3

[little plinth]

well damn then

because no one makes one with the other ones

eh guess i'll pass on FBT for now

[weak bluff]

Those are poor quality and have some failure rate but it should work if they tested

Those also have high reset rate

5-10 minutes

[cosmic monolith]

It it worth to get vive trackers? Or should i just stay away from fbt? (I have autism and cant deal with my legs randomly drifting off so something like slime is not an option)

[weak bluff]

If you can affort it sure

Alternatively try Tundra Trackers

Cheaper, smaller, longer battery

[cosmic monolith]

Are they good for 1.0 basestations?

[weak bluff]

They are compatible

[haughty thistle]

Anything that's tracked by lighthouses will work with 1.0 base stations. Just the OG Vive, black Vive wands and the big Vive Trackers with a gray logo won't work on 2.0 base stations

[acoustic loom]

My rift s just doesn't wanna work on my pc. It passes minimum spec requirments, but i just can't get it to work. It stops everytime at the rift s sensor check for some reason that doesn't work. Tried it on my friends pc, worked just fine. I even tried ordering an usb 3.0 hub with external power because my pc only had 2.0. Still nothing.

[little plinth]

bruh

pavlov update 29 broke ALVR

it just crashes steamvr

the regular streaming assitant works but that shit is unplayable

[mossy bobcat]

Is the Index a “don’t buy” at its age and price for PC VR gaming, is it better to grab a different headset at this point?

[little plinth]

There isn't really much alternative

Maybe you can get a bigscreen beyond but in total it's more pricy

[weak bluff]

Nothing can kill Index yet

[little plinth]

Decided to get VD

Yeah it's definitely good

[grizzled field]

• cough cough * Reverb G2 * cough cough *

[little plinth]

isn't really in the same class

reverb G2 is more budget oriented and is tracked inside out

yes visually stunning but not exactly usually put on the same class as index

as index is a $1000 class device

more comparable to HTC vive

[grizzled field]

I put the Reverb G2 above all other headsets

greatest headset of all time

[little plinth]

the G2 is like putting all your points in visuals then one or two in tracking

the index basestation tracking would be superior

they're just not the same class

not to be compared

one costs like 400 bucks

the other 1000

[grizzled field]

from what I've heard your making the tracking out to be worse than it is, but basestation would be better :/

yeah $1000 for a device with worse visuals

[little plinth]

and superior controllers and tracking

with superb audio

[grizzled field]

the Reverb has great audio as well

from what I've heard it is like on level with the Index

[little plinth]

the index also has better FoV and 144hz

[haughty thistle]

I'd say the G2 HMD is better then the Index for regular VR, but only the HMD. Controller wise you want Index controllers with that thing which all in makes it more expensive

[grizzled field]

idk about most ppl, but I dont use my periphrial vision much, and move my head around more so I dont think FOV matters that much

[haughty thistle]

The FOV between the G2 and Index is minimal in practice and the 144Hz only really makes a difference in Beat Saber and other very fast pace games

[grizzled field]

thank you @haughty thistle

[teal wren]

what is the probability of the valve index from gamestop refurbished going to work

[grizzled field]

what specs are your PC? The minimum doesn't actually mean it will work lol

[slate mulch]

i have a tech support question on VR if anyone is able to help... #1118732320095084576

[vale verge]

Anyone planning to buy the Apple vision pro next year ?

[weak bluff]

lol?

[haughty thistle]

Bruv. It may be VR hardware but it's more like a HoloLens competitor. Apple may be marketing this thing to consumers but imo this thing is a business machine only. For that price you might as well get a baller Gaming PC and a Quest Pro and you'd get a very similar experience movie watching plus you can also game...

[weak bluff]

But hololens sells and its for enterprise

Apple headset is for consumers and individual buyers

[haughty thistle]

One thing I have to give Apple credit for is trying out new ways of navigating in VR. I know that Varjo had previously dabbled in navigating using eye tracking, but their demo used the button the side of the headset to confirm selection rather then hand tracking. I do agree with the points raised by Thrillseeker that using a controller for simple UI navigation is a bit too much to ask for the average joe and using pure hand tracking is a bit janky (whether it be in a touchscreen manner like currently in Beta on the Quest or a virtual laser pointer like how it's done traditionally on Quest)...

[little plinth]

how can i get FFR on VD

ALVR got FFR built into the app

[dark wasp]

should I go for a Quest 1 or Rift (original not S)? theyre both the same price for me and I plan on using it connected to my PC if that helps

[weak bluff]

Rift CV1 original

in good condition

[dark wasp]

yeah its good condition

I've heard the quest 1 has better resolution and tracking though

[haughty thistle]

Resolution yes, tracking no.

The CV1 got better tracking, comfort, audio (both mic and headphone) and it has an uncompressed PCVR image

[dark wasp]

ok thanks

[warm stirrup]

It seems like sometimes you can get used CV1s for very cheap, I see some for 60 USD, should I be sceptical about those and maybe try getting one closer to 150 USD to ensure quality?

[little plinth]

I got curious about the CV1 and decided to check

No one sells it here

[grizzled field]

is it possible to mix and match VR peripherals? I mean like using a Quest with the external trackers for the Cv1, or using the Quest controllers with a Cv1 headset? There's got to be a way to do that right?

[weak bluff]

neither will work

[rancid kestrel]

You can use Index controllers with a Vive.

[haughty thistle]

You can only mix Lighthouse tracked devices with other tracking systems, and even with that it's a bit jank.
CV1 tracking will turn off the moment the Oculus software stops rendering to the headset or the headset leaves the tracking area for extended periods, so no. You can't use the CV1 controllers with anything else...

[cedar belfry]

idk if vt counts here, buuuttt

[little plinth]

right

instead of getting something like bobovr power pack

i decided to duct tape my 10000mAh power bank to the top strap

and it works fine

lel

[cedar belfry]

xdddd
get like a 16 foot type c cable and use a slightly higher wattage adapter

[dull tide]

Thats an interesting viewpoint. So if something is controlled via keyboard/controller/HOTAS its a great value iirc?

[little plinth]

i guess

i mean tracking is ok

just shit WHEN compared to index

[dull tide]

I've been using virtual desktop when playing VR compatible games sitting in front of my desk using a controller or flight sim. cant put the AP in the same room as the computer so there is noticable latency.
Technically i can get a link cable but seriously thinking about putting the money into a better HMD so I can better read displays.

feels like 18 months ago lowest price on G2 was $300 USD but it seems like $400 now. Wondering if it will ever drop to $300 again

[little plinth]

cant compare, personally using pico 4

and readability here is awesome

they go for 300

G2 is better visually tho

but still better than a lot of hmds

[dull tide]

Mostly I find myself playing VR modded games

[dull tide]

Oh hey someone put together a list.

https://youtu.be/ae5CBrByvgA

[haughty thistle]

Honestly the tracking on the G2 ain't that bad. It's mostly just the area in which the included controllers track is a bit small, but not so small that you'd notice in most VR titles. It only really becomes a problem in VRChat, but there you'd also have the issue with the lack of touch on the controller buttons...

[burnt oasis]

honestly i just really want better colors and contrast most of all

like that's my number one

display is my number one

and res ofc

don't like how in skyrim vr i get close up and it looks fuzzy

need 8k textures and 16k for that quality

[little plinth]

I never tried any other headset but my pico looks pretty good using VD medium, HEVC 85Mbps

I can probably enable the headset Snapdragon sharpening to make it look better but it'll waste of power

[dull tide]

https://youtube.com/shorts/d7jt8nh4sqc?feature=share
Feet tracking in games looks sick

[pseudo valley]

could someone help me downloading the oculus app? i can’t get it to install i keep getting an error and it tells me to restart my pc

[kindred spade]

does anyone know if steamVR has to be on the same drive as your Windows install is?

[rustic garnet]

It has to be on the same drive as your steam install i think at least

Idk why

[kindred spade]

is there a way I can easily move my steam install?

[rustic garnet]

Ummmmm

I don't think so

why

[kindred spade]

well I got a new ssd thats a bit faster than the one my steam install is on and with that all my vr games and such and just wanted to move that over to the faster ssd

[rustic garnet]

You can move the games separately from steamvr itself

but like ssd speed probably won't be noticeable in any games

[kindred spade]

oh really?

I feel that would break stuff but maybe not

its more or less for beatsaber having to load all those songs and custom emotes
it would moderatly improve that

[rustic garnet]

nah valve has some smart guys they figured it out

like you can move any steam game to any partition on your computer

And it just works

[pseudo valley]

ok good talk

[burnt oasis]

lol

[heavy tartan]

does anyone have any recommendations for gunstocks for the quest 2?

[kindred spade]

hmm fair enough

[gloomy crater]

They're expensive, but you can't go wrong with the MagTube from ProTubeVR

[neat comet]

is it just me or can you in some games use sharpening and aliasing plus extreme resolutions to push the quest 2 to the limits of clarity?

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 quality is hammered forever by its weak chip and PCVR limited capability so no matter what you use it won't be impactful enough

[haughty thistle]

PCVR image compression limits the effective image resolution (aka how many unique pixels there can be in an image) plus it adds a ton of compression Artifacts...

[rustic garnet]

Vr renderers have supersampled since the absolute beginning so i mean yeah

[tawdry dove]

I'm just surprised the quest doesn't have an FSR-like temporal image upscaler

it could really benefit

I have played vr games with fsr 2.0 (the one with the most ghosting) and it wasn't that bad really and they could tune it to work with vr pretty well

if they just turned down the temporal bias of the upscaler it would be worth it

especially if they tune it in engine or something so that the games won't do the weird fade in when you snap turn

[haughty thistle]

It has and it's made by Qualcomm. Only works on the Quest 2 and Quest Pro currently, but VD does have support for it

[tawdry dove]

temporal upscaler?

[haughty thistle]

As long as you're not running "Godlike" res you can toggle on Snapdragon Game Super Resolution, which is their version of Temporal Upscaling

[tawdry dove]

all I can see is that it is a one pass spatial aware upscaler unfortunately

at least it's not nearest neighbor upscaling

[little plinth]

Pico 4 can also use the snapdragon upscaler

[haughty thistle]

From the description in their blog, it really sounds like FSR but from Qualcomm: https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2023/04/introducing-snapdragon-game-super-resolution

[little plinth]

Thou it's better to use OXR Toolkit and use FSR

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, what I meant is, that it doesn't work on older HMDs like the Quest 1 or Pico Neo 2...

[tawdry dove]

yes it is like fsr but I want a full blown temporal upscaler is all

this is competing against fsr 1

[weak bluff]

It took AMD year to make FSR2 Give them time

Then RSR is still not ready

[cerulean glade]

Hello, I have HTC Vive, and I am looking to upgrade, and what I found for a not bad price is used Vive Pro 2 with the Index controllers, and Index base stations for 600 Euro, is that worth ?

[haughty thistle]

The Vive Pro 2 is like the worst headset sold today lol
Stay away from that hot piece of garbage

[cerulean glade]

so its better to wait for a new headsets to come ? I dont want to overspend money on VR, Pimax Crystal cost way too much, Bigscreen Beyond does not look much great for its money as well

and I did not see any announcement for Index 2

[haughty thistle]

Pimax is kinda Poo poo anyways

[cerulean glade]

lol so what is good ?

[haughty thistle]

If you want a good all in one box setup then go with an Index kit. It's still one if the least compromises option.
Other then that, you can get something like the Reverb G2 and mount a Vive tracker to it to properly use Index controllers with it

[cerulean glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6seDmtwWMQ

reverb G2 looks the same as Vive pro 2

[cerulean glade]

then you said Pimax is poo poo and you recommend me Index ?

[haughty thistle]

Bruv. With VR you can't just consider one aspect of the screen. You have to take in the device as a whole. Yes, headsets like the VP2 and Pimax Crystal got less SDE but they got a plethora of other issues. The VP2 for example got probably the worst lens glare of any VR headset period and it's software locks down the screen resolution to something atrociously low. On a 3090 about Index res. Now, that might not sound that bad, but if you consider that the image then gets upscaled from there it looks like a blurry mess.
And with Pimax, if you want to have to tinker with the thing for like hours before even getting anything usable then sure, but their software is absolute garbage, their headsets are built like fake Wish.com garbage, and their marketing is borderline brain washing. (They tried to convince Media at CES this year that it was just the reviewer who had bad eyes instead of their headset having lenses that weren't focused properly)

Not to mention, the Pimax Crystal is like 1.2kg without the cable. Plus it requires battery power which'll last you like 2 hours, despite it needing a PC to work...

TTL footage is only good enough to get a rough estimate for SDE, and that's it

[cerulean glade]

fair enough, but since its not my first headset, I just dont want to upgrade to old Index if you know what I mean, I have OG HTC Vive and I want to upgrade it because the resolution is just shit

and I dont like the Wive hands as well

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, like I mentioned, the Reverb G2 + Index Controllers is prolly the next best avenue. You already got lighthouses and a Vive you can use a Watchmen dongles for the Index Controllers.
Setting up continuous Calibration is a bit of a hassle at first, but it's literally strap a Vive Tracker to the headset, do an initial calibration by moving the headset around and press a button. After that it should just work in later sessions too...
It's unfortunate that Valve has been more toying around with Ideas and competition is more focused on standalone then PC at this point...

[cerulean glade]

hmm, well im not sure then, maybe I will wait for Index 2, the G2 has just small sweet spot for vision, its like headset that is crystal clear only exactly in the middle and the rest is blurred

and then it also somehow does not work with the SteamVR ?

[haughty thistle]

The G2 is native to WMR because of its tracking, but you can set up WMR so that it launches SteamVR with it and closes with SteamVR. It's actually the way the Vive Pro 2 works as well btw

[cerulean glade]

I am not much familiar with the blurs and glairs and stuff like that maybe, it seem like the HTC Vive does not have any problems like that at all ? only low resolution, but when I read YT Comments or Reddit comments about people arguing over G2 vs Pro 2, some say G2 is better some say Pro 2 is better and than its really hard to choose xD

then Meta Quest pro is just way too expensive

Bigscreen Beyond does not look like the best option neither ?

maybe its just time to not buy anything and wait ?

[haughty thistle]

The Pro 2 is a glare-y mess. That's what I know. The Vive Pro 1 (which uses the same lenses as the OG Vive) definitely feel a ton better. The G2 has its glare coming from the outside in, so when there's a bright object at the edge of your FOV, it creates like light strip from there to the center, instead of the usual bloom going from the bright object to the edge of the lens.
The Pancake optics of the Quest Pro and Bigscreen Beyond also aren't without faults. They have internal reflections that look like a dim ghost of the main image floating around the image at varying sizes. The Index also has these btw.
If you don't have a burning hole in your pocket then maybe I suggest you upgrade your controllers to Index ones and just wait out the main HMD. You can use Index controllers with your Vive btw

[cerulean glade]

yeah probably will buy controllers, but what I found here its 200€ used, not sure if its good price

[haughty thistle]

They should be 300€ for a new pair. I'll let you make of that what you will...

Steam Support tends to be a bit iffy with used hardware, so in case you need support, you'd want to have bought them new

[cerulean glade]

yea its pretty insane price for only controllers, and that Vive Hands cost just as same its even more insane

altho thanks for info!

[weak bluff]

Best use for vive wand is recycle them

[craggy coral]

Haven’t watched anything-what’s everyone’s opinion on the quest 3

[little plinth]

Quest 3 > Pico 4 > Quest 2
basically

mostly just upgrades

resolution is not significantly higher

new chip, XR2 Gen 2

depth correct pass through

good purchase for anyone getting into vr

[haughty thistle]

Beat Saber Workouts!
or I guess some people use them for fullbody tracking...

[weak bluff]

100% for FBT.

Longer battery, wrappable on feet

And used ones are cheap

Combine with aliexpress dongles or DIY some

[haughty thistle]

Some nice and well needed updates for Standalone, basically the same for PCVR (same compressed PCVR image, only marginal improvements to SDE and comfort). Tho it'll possibly have worse controller tracking, in case you play high-level Beat Saber...

Fun-fact: some people say the Quest Pro controllers are supposedly really good for Beat Saber? Yeah, that ain't true bro. They fly away occassionally when playing faster levels, making them unsuitable for anything beyond the more casual Ex+ maps. The cameras just can't keep up with fast movement, like a strobed LED ring on say the Quest 2 controllers do. Quest 3 get's rid of that ring too but also the tracking cameras on the QP controllers, so it remains to be seen, but I highly doubt they'd be any better then the QP at that, probably worse...

[little plinth]

tracking would be horrible in low light

[haughty thistle]

Quest already needs a pretty bightly lit room to track properly anyways

[little plinth]

IR floodlight to the rescue

[thorny lily]

yea I've been having that issue, I t was fine with just normal sunlight but I legit moved like.. half an inch and the entire thing had a panic attack

had to turn on all of my lights -_-

well, it's even worse now, I've setup my room in a new way for VR but i'm nowhere near my window and now behind a tv so that's fun

gonna try and find a light I can use instead of the one on my celling, also one not so bright n terrible

[little plinth]

IR floodlight

your eyes can't see it

you can even turn off the lights so there would be no light bleed

that's what i use and it's tracking well even in total darkness

you can even combine it with normal light to improve tracking even more

though my particular one only turns on when it is dark so that's annoying

[thorny lily]

those blacklight lookin things

[little plinth]

blacklight is UV

[thorny lily]

the ones that look like blacklights, idfk what an IR Flood light is

and searching it brings up what looks like blacklights, being my question

[little plinth]

the same type of light used by a remote control

[thorny lily]

that doesn't help ;-;

just link me one, I'm not "smart" you of all people know this

[tawdry dove]

the quest gets a buff if you have incandescent light bulbs lel

[thorny lily]

yea, But that's a lot of light, Which is what I don't really want

[little plinth]

incandescent lights are those old light bulps that look like this 💡

and they are far from bright

they however emit a lot of infrared since they heat up tungsten to generate light

more than the visible light actually

so it is buffed

as quest tracking cameras are infrared

and at the same time not bright to the human eyes

[thorny lily]

lightbulb is lightbulb to me

[thorny lily]

^

if it works it works thats how I view it

[little plinth]

https://www.amazon.com/Illuminator-Security-Lights-Infrared-Waterproof/dp/B097RBKTM3/ref=sr_1_19

something like that

https://www.amazon.com/Orzero-Illuminator-Compatible-Disturbance-Sensitivity/dp/B08SHPKSSM/ref=sr_1_21?keywords=infrared+flood+light&qid=1687196806&sr=8-21

[thorny lily]

tf are you supposed to plug into with the first one

and the second one works how, I cant find anything stating how it gets power

this is why i dont do "tech" shit. i'm a fucking idiot

goin back to my corner making shitty videos

[tawdry dove]

they can very much be bright

you've clearly never stood infront of a kilowatt incandescent bulb

[little plinth]

of course when talking about these, it's the average ones

[lament sedge]

is this a good price for an oculus rift or should i just save up for a quest 2 https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/spelcomputers-en-games/virtual-reality/m1982698150-virtual-reality-set

[haughty thistle]

Dayum' that's cheap! Just to be sure, ask the seller for pictures if the lenses and ask if it's in working condition

If the lenses look good and it works, then I wouldn't see why you wouldn't go for it tbh

[lament sedge]

ok but is it somewhere near the oulus quest 2 or is it slow or not a lot of storage?

[haughty thistle]

It doesn't work on its own. You plug it into a PC and that'll do all the renderibg

[lament sedge]

oh than i need to first save for my new pc cuz im still rocking a 780

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, probably wanna upgrade that first

[lament sedge]

so if i would have a decent pc go for it is it good for stuff like gorrila tag to or not

and simracing

[green crypt]

Seeing you are in the Netherlands make sure to check cex out they cost a bit more but you get a warranty on it for a year

[lament sedge]

ok ty

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, it would be pretty good. Imo the CV1 still has the best controllers to ever ship for VR. Rock solid tracking (if setup correctly), mega comfortable, and runs for like months on a single AA battery...

[lament sedge]

Ok

[weak bluff]

meanwhile I play 2 days on rechargeable Ni-Mh AA battery

Quest 2

[pseudo tartan]

Quest 3

[rustic garnet]

What about index

[haughty thistle]

CV1 controllers are definetly more comfortable. Tracking wise, Index does feel a bit more accurate, but at the cost of responsiveres. CV1 tracking is a bit more responsive then lighthouse

[rustic garnet]

oh really? Idk i haven't tried the knuckles but I've heard great things, and i mean i feel like being able to let go and have tracked fingers are both very immersive

and let's be real all the current tracking systems are good enough

Especially the outside tracked ones (only lighthouse and constellation lol) because no blind spots

do u remember the ridiculous amount of beef over the tracking quality between the og vive and rift cv1 way back in the days

Re: responsiveness is that down to the tracking or to overall system motion-to-photon time?

I remember seeing a study recently (did someone link it here?) where the cv1 had the lowest latency by far of all the headsets tested

[pseudo tartan]

Controllers are intresting. There is no tracking ring and seems to be no Camera on the controller like the quest pro.

[rustic garnet]

hm

that is odd

[haughty thistle]

I'm not sure. What I can say is that when playing Beat Saber on my CV1 I feel like movement is much more responsive on the CV1 then when playing on my Index. Tho I do have to admit that my Vive Pro 1 with the Wireless Adapter and also the Varjo Aero feel a bit more responsive then the Index at 144Hz. Not as responsive as the CV1 tho

[haughty thistle]

Feature wise, definetly, the Index controllers win over anything else. It's just that the grip area isn't as "hand shaped" as the CV1 controllers were. Also the weight distribution was just spot on with the CV1, where it really felt like the controllers weren't even there.
Not even the Quest Pro controllers can compete there. The QP uses a very similar shape controller wise, but the top is a bit bigger with the buttons a bit further towards the sticks, then where your thumb would naturally rest (with the CV1 your thumbs would intuitively rest on the face buttons). QP controllers are also significantly heavier with a center of gravity further down in the grip, making them a bit more noticable when doing hand flicks. Not to mention that the camera on controller tracking certainly isn't perfect, and I'd argue that for fast movements it's inferior to a normal tracking ring. QP controllers really like to fly off into the distance during fast Beat Saber songs 😂

I doubt the Quest 3 controller tracking will be any better. If anything it's gonna be worse for both accuracy and responsiveness, as now your controllers are tracked by the same algo that does the hand tracking (which hint: is running at 15-30fps; depending on the lighting condition). A tracking ring allows the tracking system to strobe the tracking LEDs so that the cameras can still see indvidual dots, even when the controller is whipped around really fast. You just don't have that with cameras on the controllers or with controllers tracked by hand tracking...

[little plinth]

They will track with their hand tracking algorithm

And i heard there are tracking LEDs still

Just not in a ring form

[grizzled field]

that's true the Cv1 controllers are so nice

[grizzled field]

what are the best Quest 2 strap replacements?

[pseudo tartan]

Well I suppose with the ir lights it might still be okay. But hand tracking on the controller? What about when controller is behind cameras?

[weak bluff]

no brand aliexpress non elastic strap with turnable wheels

best price and same comfort as branded 3rd party straps

but also long shipping and tax may apply depending on where you are

[grizzled field]

yeah I tried buying from aliexpress took a little over a month

[weak bluff]

got something like this but for $10

[warm stirrup]

I spent money and did the vive deluxe audio strap

[neat comet]

ive achieved the virtually impossible

20/20 clarity

on a quest 2

make out the individual leaves from a mile away

and get 90fps

combined sharpening and resolution

i got rid of any jaggies

specifically kayak vr

and contractors. the methods those games allowed.

only a handful of games actually let you do that and thats what i want...... why only a handful?

clarity is the most important thing to me

i value clarity over visuals, so why only a few.

[haughty thistle]

Basically what you did is you discovered super sampling. That's nothing new, but you'd still make out a difference between the Quest 2 and say a Reverb G2. No compression and higher screen res do make a massive difference

[weak bluff]

Not even close.

But coping is a good way to trick yourself into thinking you made a good purchase.

[haughty thistle]

Not even Butterscotch is 20/20 vision lol

That Experts assume to be between 60 and 100ppd, butterscotch only reaches like 50ppd

[weak bluff]

Unfortunately this prototype have bad FOV

[haughty thistle]

Varjo VR-3 goes brrrr
(center PPD is 70 with an FOV of 104h/80v)

[lament sedge]

Is oculus quest 1 something close to the performance of the quest 2 cuz i like the black color more and its cheaper

[weak bluff]

No. It is worse.

Much worse. And with cut support, performance does not matter without content.

[haughty thistle]

Quest 1 is EoL by the end of this year and will stop getting updates. A lot of games already don't run on it, and a number of games have already announced they'll stop working on the Quest 1 in the coming months (VRchat included)

[little plinth]

PCVR ftw

[rancid kestrel]

What are you supposed to do when you spawn in a wall?

[rancid kestrel]

I'm planning on getting an Index when I can afford it, selling my Vive, getting a new VR PC and selling my current one/turning it into a server.

[haughty thistle]

I the Oculus PC software still requires the PC version to be somewhat in sync with the Quest FW, then no. Not even that, as you cannot prevent the PC software from updating...

[little plinth]

in general

[rancid kestrel]

I mean, just don't use Meta stuff.

[little plinth]

this shit is huge

my 40mbps internet will take like

2 hours to get it

and that's the SBS one

trying to get some 3d movies to watch on VD lel

[haughty thistle]

I just buy the Blu-Rays like a regular person online and rip them using MakeMKV. It can easily rip a 3D Blu-Ray into different formats, including SBS 3D

[little plinth]

nobody here sells bluray anymore

[haughty thistle]

RIP

[little plinth]

and sure as hell not gonna buy expensive drives

[haughty thistle]

Amazon, MediaMarkt, etc.
I find it kinda sad that movies on physical media is dying. It's the last way to properly own a movie, but a lot of studios already aren't releasing certain ones on disc, or if they do, on in limited quality...

Like, Puss in Boots (the new one) is a native 4k HDR title, but was only released on 1080p BluRay here in 🇩🇪

[rustic garnet]

i fucking loved that movie

[little plinth]

eh owning movies gets expensive

i remember the pile of dvds

i just

use disney plus

[haughty thistle]

Streaming is convenient, but the quality absolutely sucks...
Not to mention that watching streaming stuff on PC is pretty much an afterthought for all platforms (but it's where I watch all my stuff <.<)

Wanna have HDR or a resolution that is not 720p? Get our TV streaming app or watch on your phone!

[pale orbit]

https://old.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/14fgb66/duke_nukem_3d_vr_dr_beef_is_about_to_drop_a_new/

[weak bluff]

Its compressing issue again. All hail lossless videos.

[rancid kestrel]

Lossless video is a waste.

[grizzled field]

why isnt the Reverb on that comparison lol, but the quest 2 looks like its a lot better than the Rift, so that gives me high hopes

I've only ever used the Rift, and I'll be getting a Quest 2 very soon, hopefully in the next week or so

I just noticed when you google Quest 2, the first thing that comes up is the Apple vision pro XD

[dull tide]

I love the extras on DVD/Blu Ray but a lot of it ends on YT. Sadly they also tend to get removed from YT when you want to find it again

[weak bluff]

because its Meta official comparison

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/VRmaninJapan/status/1671702526851432448?t=AIN-8qHzaOyb3_0V0rwiWA&s=19

Apple really don't want you to do VR

And then this https://twitter.com/EricPresidentVR/status/1671641941682028547?t=LTpSR-M54XgHCG_cXxsS_Q&s=19

Stupid broken embed

https://fxtwitter.com/VRmaninJapan/status/1671702526851432448?t=AIN-8qHzaOyb3_0V0rwiWA&s=19

[haughty thistle]

Not to mention that Apple's stance on game streaming will likely mean that apps like VD have no hope of ever being approved on the AppStore...

[gloomy crater]

What I've learned over time with situations like this, is that if you're specifically NOT supposed to do something with a device, people will go out of their way to try and make it possible. So people buy the product in order to see whether whatever they're not supposed to do with it actually IS possible, and it usually ends one of two ways. Either 1. it turns out they did a crap job of locking down their device, and people find a way to do precisely what the manufacturer didn't want them to do with it, resulting in increased sales from people looking to do that specific thing with it (this is what I hope will happen to the PSVR2 in due time). Or 2. it turns out you actually can't do the thing they don't want you to do with it, leading to the sales of that device taking a huge dip that results in this weird graph where it sold really well when it first came out, and then just fizzled out as soon as everyone who actually needed it for its intended purpose, or were just experimenting with it, have already gotten one / gotten all their use out of it (what happened when the Switch OLED came out and people were trying to find new potential exploits). Which (if either) one ends up happening with Apple's new stuff, it'll be interesting to see, because Apple is pretty up there on my list of hated companies. Maybe even above Meta. So I'd love to see their precious 'AR Business device' turned into a quality gaming HMD just because that's not what they intended.

Dang. After reading dumb people try and defend this arbitrary restriction in the comments, I'm even more hopeful that someone finds a way to make this thing actually useful outside of Apple's pristine picture of its 'intended' use case.

[haughty thistle]

Apple is one of those companies I actually trust to properly secure their devices down to a T. I mean, it took years for the Checkra1n Exploit to be found, and when it was eventually found, it was already patched on the latest devices anyways making it irrelevant...

Not to mention that while Checkra1n is a hardware exploit (and thus shouldn't be fixable) Apple somehow managed to figure out a way to kernel panic the device if the exploit is being detected using the Secure Enclave (which has only been exploited on the A10). Meaning that while Checkra1n works on the iPhone X, only so if it's running iOS 13 or older...

[weak bluff]

so if someone jailbreak it to remove space limitation Apple might overload headset into crashing

[little plinth]

holy shit why are steering wheels for sims so pricy

i can get an actual car's steering wheel for less

because driving with vr controller feels so shit

and gets painful in a while

[tawdry dove]

cause that's just a piece of metal

whereas sim driving wheels actually have motors to mimic spinning out and shit

some can literally rip the wheel out of your hand if you mess up bad enough

[little plinth]

this shit cost more than my vr headset

though i guess i'll get some offbrand or something

[tawdry dove]

from what I've been told you get what you pay for when you buy a cheap wheel

it'll be better than using controllers

[little plinth]

a steering wheel costing as much as my pico4 is just a dumb thing

budget wheels it is

[haughty thistle]

Uhh... what wheels are you looking at if I may ask? Because yes, a DD steering wheel base alone costs about as much as a VR headset, but gear and belt driven wheels can be had for much cheaper. The one that I have is the Logitech G29 and it's pretty Good. You don't need a DD wheel for some casual simming xD

[little plinth]

those logitech ones

nearly as expensive as my pico 4

like 300 bucks

[haughty thistle]

Y'know the motors in a wheel have to be pretty powerful to provide proper force feedback. If you go any cheaper the best a wheel can offer is vibration feedback...

[little plinth]

ah it is with the pedals shifter and the wheel

still pretty pricy regardless tbh

considering my flight setup is a 30 bucks logitech stick

and a 20 buck webcam for headtracking before i got this VR headset

[haughty thistle]

Belt and gear driven wheels cheap out by using high-RPM motors and stepping them down, but they're not as responsive and not nearly as strong as a DD wheel

[little plinth]

i'm definitely not gonna spend hundreds to drive virtual cars though
money can be better spent on upgrading the PC

compromises can be made i guess

[haughty thistle]

A flight stick is literally just a 20$ part with some plastics around. not even closely comparable xD

[little plinth]

not meant to compare them

it's more on to show how much i spend lel

the most expensive part of my flight setup is the 60 bucks F/A-18 DLC

[haughty thistle]

But yeah, going cheaper then a belt or gear driven wheel you end up with potentiameter based wheels, which use a spring or rubber band to recenter and only have a vibration motor as "force feedback". I've had one of those wheels back in the day and it lasted about 3-4 months before it's dead zone was about half that of the rotion range (which at 180° or 90° either way wasn't much to begin with)

[little plinth]

aren't there one of those wheels that simply uses the xbox controller
there isn't any force feedback but whatever works lel

[haughty thistle]

Thrustmaster might offer slightly cheaper belt driven wheels compared to Logitech btw

[little plinth]

anything is better than the fatigue galore that is using the vr controller

[little plinth]

fuck the prices looks even scarier

[haughty thistle]

Well, internally these poti based wheels are just that. They map one of the stick axis to the poti in the back and call it a day...

[little plinth]

poti wheels have drift eventually

but don't the xbox controller ones uses the accelerometers on the xbox controller?

[haughty thistle]

But trust me, these wheels really don't give you much of a better experience then just a regular game pad. I'd even arge that you'd have a better experience with a game pad...

[little plinth]

using thumbstick kinda kills the VR immersion

[haughty thistle]

You mean like the Wii Wheel accessory? Never seen one like that. The wheels I've seen where either cheap poti-based, mid-range belt or gear driven or expensive DD wheels...

[haughty thistle]

You know what breaks immersion even more? your pedal set lifting up and flying away because the spring in the pedal is stronger then what the thing weighs (a common issue on these cheap wheels)

[little plinth]

yeaaa i'll just stick to flight simming for now kek

[haughty thistle]

I don't wanna sound a gatekeeper or anything, but imo these cheapo wheels are just manufactured e-Waste...

[little plinth]

my PC upgrade bucket list is still quite a bit so it'll be in the back of my priority

still need a 5600 and more storage

the 2200G is an absolute torture

lel i wish my parents let me pick my own parts 5 years ago

it became an upgrade nightmare

[gloomy crater]

At least you were forced to get a 2200g. I made the mistake of asking r/buildapc to spec out my build in 2019 and I ended up spending way more on absolute garbage. My first build was a 2200g ($110) an RX570 4gb ($220) 2x8gb of DDR4 2666 CL19 ($115) an Asrock B450M HDV ($95) the cheapest possible case and power supply (like $70 total) and a 128gb SSD ($60). The sad part is that there were way better and more affordable parts available at the time, so I could have gotten a way better build for less money if I had done more research. Could have ended up with a 1600 12nm, and an 8gb 580.

[tawdry dove]

I had a laptop with the ryzen 3550h in it for a long time

(it's a rebranded 2200g)

that cpu sucks today

I only got rid of it last year

[little plinth]

the 3550h is considerably better

it has hyperthreading and zen+ based

[tawdry dove]

it's on a newer processing node

[little plinth]

the 2200G is Zen 1 without hyperthreading

considerably bigger cache too

[tawdry dove]

I coulda swore it had hyperthreading

interesting

[gloomy crater]

The 2400g does

[little plinth]

oh nvm 2200G has more L1 cache

[tawdry dove]

well I don't think it mattered too much in the end cause the laptop never hit max boost

I didn't feel the effects of the 3550h in gaming cause it was paired with a 1050

I also happened to get a 12400f which is basically the same as the 5600 perf wise so that's a lucky coincidence

blender was torture on that laptop

[little plinth]

I am cpu bottlenecked on a graphically intensive game

In VR

[gloomy crater]

Dang, it just occurred to me that the PC my grandma uses to surf the web and do banking has a better cpu than your VR rig

Well, lemons and lemonade and all that, once you upgrade you'll have the start of a home nas

[tawdry dove]

that pc will last her the rest of her life

kinda crazy to think about

[gloomy crater]

I build all of my computers with that in mind. I only recently got my PC to a state where I'm hoping to have it last me until 2030. I've actually built her 2 PC's for her, one with a 5600G and one with a 10100, but both are robust enough to do what she needs them to do for as long as she needs them to do it. Mostly for the purposes of avoiding people calling me for tech support months after I finish their build, because that takes years off my life whenever it happens

[little plinth]

Selling the old 2200g to fund a 5600

Plus i don't have any spare part it'll be a waste to make one

[gloomy crater]

That's a preferable alternative. I'm literally gonna have to find an extra table for all of the spare PC parts i have to get rid of at the yard sales next month, and then using that money to start my bigscreen beyond fund.

[tawdry dove]

does she have both or did the 5600g pc come after?

[gloomy crater]

She originally had an AM4 system from before I got into building them that had an older AMD CPU and GPU, then that PC stopped working (turns out its OS got corrupted) and instead of trying to fix it she asked me to build her a new one, which resulted in the 10100 system. Then two years later, she decided she wanted to keep her 10100 system inside the house, and have a different PC out in the garage where she does all her crafts and stuff because the laptop she used to keep out there got lithium pillow disease. I figured rather than her spending all that money on a brand new system, I could fix up her old AM4 system with just the parts I have on hand for free so I dug it out. Ended up taking out the CPU and GPU because they were so outdated that it was just simpler to replace them, swapped in a 5600G I had, reinstalled windows, and now that's her workshop PC.

[tawdry dove]

that makes sense then

very nice of you

[opaque thunder]

Hey, I've been having trouble when teleporting in Half Life Alyx. The screen seemingly teleports me, but top down, if that makes sense. The top of my view sees new information before the bottom. This isn't present in other games, and only happens when using wired Quest Link, not AirLink. Does anyone know what the problem could be?

[weak bluff]

That is odd. Low framerate interlaced or is your framerate good?

[opaque thunder]

no, my framerates good. and it doesn't have issues on airlink for whatever reason

[opaque thunder]

also, i took a closer look, and there's like random black lines that appear, usually going top to bottom - only during teleporting on this one game using this one link method :/

[weak bluff]

not happening while not teleporting?

updated drivers?

[opaque thunder]

my gpu drivers and oculus things are up to date last i checked (recently). it doesn't happen when not teleporting

could a bad usb connection be causing issues? i'm using a Onn link cable and a 6 dollar USB-C adapter i got on amazon

the connection passes the built in oculus tests though

[weak bluff]

Not impossible. I can only suspect drivers, encoder or cable.

[opaque thunder]

I'm gonna go through my drivers again. Also, it turns out I had the Pro versin of AMD's drivers installed, so I'm trying the regular version and seeing if that helps. Thank you very much for responding.

[barren zealot]

weird question, but does anyone here have an AMD card and runs VR?

i'm debating gpu upgrades and i wanted to know if AMD finally fixed the drivers, since i remember hearing that VR on radeon cards was a bad experience

[weak bluff]

It works

just not so well with 7000 series

driver issue exist and there are performance issue. Crashing issue is technically fixed with band aid solutions.

[barren zealot]

shit. thanks for warning me.

i was considering a 6900xt if that's any better than 7000

[weak bluff]

that is a fine-ish card

[barren zealot]

guess i'll have to go with a 4070, as much as it pains me to give money to nvidia. 3070ti is a hundred bucks cheaper but 8 gigs of vram is starting to look really unsustainable

[weak bluff]

hmm cant tell if that is a good choice

[barren zealot]

yeah i have heard some bad shit

but 3080s are still impossibly expensive

[weak bluff]

3080 supply is very low and there is no good successor so yeah

AMD has good value and VRAM but driver is quite meh and we just got some driver issues fixed for VRChat after more than half a year waiting

with band aid solution software fix

[barren zealot]

hmm

[weak bluff]

the 7000 card have perofrmance issue and since launch still not fixed

[haughty thistle]

*performance issues in VR

It's weird tho, as with flat games, the 7000 cards each compare to about the next card down from Nvidia, but for VR their performance is equal, and sometimes worse, then the 6000 card they replaced

[weak bluff]

they still have high idle power issue so it would be funny but obvious they will fix that first before VR performance issue is fixed

[haughty thistle]

It could also be that the performance improvements they made for the 7000 cards just don't apply to stereoscopic rendering techniques

[rancid kestrel]

AMD cards don't like IOMMU which is definitely a consideration for me.

[little plinth]

Snatched assetto corsa for VR lel

90% off for ultimate pack rn

Though all i got a shitty a gamepad rn

[wise kindle]

Does anybody know where I can find a new cord for the occulus rift s that won't cost me $200

[haughty thistle]

That's the neat thing: you don't.
Replacement cables for the Rift S were never sold seperatly, only sent out by Meta Support when you could proof that your current cable is shot. They've since stopped sending out cables as they only ever did that for in-warrenty damage. The only way to get a "new" Rift S cable is to source one from another headset, and thus the price of a cable equals that of a used Rift S...

I believe actually towards the end of the Rift S lifespan (when they had already stopped selling the headset) they might've even started replacing broken cables with Quest headsets, because not even they had replacement parts on hand. At least I think I've heard something in that direction...

[wise kindle]

Well....I really wasn't wantibg to buy another headset. I have green pixels coming through during gameplay

[haughty thistle]

It's the only way to get a replacement cable tho. All the 200+ USD cables you can find online are likely to be sourced from another headset anyways...

[devout trail]

Yeah back when they sold it directly it was only 80 or 90 bucks for a replacement rift S cable. Bought one for in case but never used it. But they only had them on the site for maybe a year or two but still had replacement touch controllers and face guards still available. Planned obsolescence lol

[haughty thistle]

Wait... they did sell replacement Rift S cables? I was under the impression they only ever did that for the CV1, but not for the Rift S... Oh well, anybody can be wrong sometimes...

[cedar belfry]

If I buy one of these, would it be faster than using the USB3 ports on the back of my board?
I'm getting one either way, because I never have enough ports

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B8SQ9DLC/

[cedar belfry]

and also might stop ovrserver from stopping for no reason idk

Just something for Oculus to use and not take more than my non existent bandwidth on normal USB

[weak bluff]

Probably not. Looks too cheap to be true.

Based on number of chip on picture (only 2) and the chip used specification I have educated guess than using all of those ports will near bottleneck you

Your motherboard meanwhile is connected straight to motherboard South Bridge chipset which modern one even cheap A520 or H610 should be more than enough

And they are rated higher speed

[wise kindle]

You say you never used it...any chance you might have it for sale?

[weak bluff]

finding anyone selling, again because it is rare will sell for as much as buying another headset with cable

[wise kindle]

oh well I guess this thing just became a cool artifact of the early vr days

"holy shit is that a rift s!?"

[weak bluff]

rift s big reason to avoid is the rare cable issue itself

its a paperweight once cable is dead

and reports of cable getting worn is increasing

[wise kindle]

Yes but it's simple and easy enough to use that I can do VR inside my semi truck

[weak bluff]

especially if you have early revision thicker cable

[wise kindle]

are there any other full vr models that are like the rift s that have just the one long cable without any need for the laser signal transmitters to be bolted around your room?

[weak bluff]

if it does not use laser signal (fiber optic) then the cable would be really thick

also Quest headsets works with copper cables

and Rift CV1 but same cable rarity issue

or buy HTC Vive headset

which to this day do have replacement cable being made and in production

[devout trail]

I’m sorry I had a friend who didn’t take care of his and he bought it off me

[devout trail]

Yeah they sold them along with original cv1 cables too but I swear the original ones were outrageous and were 129? But yeah they were only available for maybe a year or two

[weak bluff]

Rift S cable is an endangered accessory

[haughty thistle]

There's plenty of headsets now that don't need external stations for tracking, like the Quest 2/Pro, Pico 4, Vive XR Elite... The only problem these all have in common is that none of them are native PCVR, so even when using a cable you'll get a degraded image as your PC has to compress each frame and send it over USB or Wifi to the headset...

The last native PCVR headset with inside-out tracking as it's called was the Vive Cosmos, but it's tracking absolutely sucked and is one headset to avoid.
There is also the upcoming MeganeX from ShiftAll, but at that price you might as well get a pair of lighthouses and a Bigscreen Beyond and you'd still have money left from what you would've paid for the MeganeX...

[little plinth]

Is blue light filter necessary for VR prescription optic

Going to make one here locally

Only like 40 bucks

[haughty thistle]

I usually skip it. The actually harmful blue-light wavelengths are all in the UV range which no modern display is emitting. Unless the lenses are visibly yellow, they won't have any effect in a VR headset...

[weak bluff]

you can also reduce blue light with night light display mode the thing that makes everything yellow-er

[gloomy crater]

I hate doing anything at night because every time my Windows File Viewer crashes, it turns off that night mode for a second and flashbangs me.

I didn't bother with the blue light filter on my Index lenses, but I have them on my actual glasses. As CB said, modern HMD's won't have much of an effect, whereas actual glasses you wear most of the day probably would

[haughty thistle]

Self toning glasses are by their very nature UV filtering, so in that case you also don't need an additional blue-light filter (even tho there are companies trying to sell you both in one for a lot of money)

[little plinth]

ah so it's a scam basically since they're useless

well good to know

[tawdry dove]

What do you mean by harmful?

Like just the type that keeps you awake and causes eye strain or does it block more than that

[haughty thistle]

The eye strain stuff. The deep violet blue is what keeps you awake, but LCDs and OLEDs hardly emit those wavelengths either...

Again, if it's basically clear (which for example the Zeiss BlueProtect lenses are), then what they filter is UV and it won't do much for a monitor use case (like VR). If the lens is very much yellow in color, then it does filter the more blue-ish wavelengths that may or may not keep you awake, but then you'd obviously be left with a noticably yellowed image...

[little plinth]

which can be done without needing a lense

[neat comet]

anyone know why oculus asw, in any situation i might want to use it, instead makes my framerate and stability abhorrantly worse? getting a steady 75-90 turns into getting 25-40 with freezing and occasional runtime crashes. isnt it intended to make it better? keep in mind my gpu is barely being taxed nor my cpu anymore, like it cuts the fps in half, and the utilization, effectivly gimping the game

5800x and a 3070ti with 32gigs of ram.... and it cuts utilization as well as fps massively. god forbid i used older hardware. i might want to use it for say kayak mirage, which is made for intense visuals to get the most i can.... could it be the fact im using insane resolutions like rendering at 6k total and the bandwidth just cant keep up?

(yes setting encode to native panel and rendering at a crazy resolution does eliminate jaggies and make things crystal clear, in combination with good antialiasing, although not nearly as good as a native 5k headset, it clears up the noise)

[weak bluff]

Its there suppose to reduce sickness from huge framerate changes

Not my opinion tho

[neat comet]

definately not mine lol, supposed to make it "smooth" all i can see is it obliterates my frametime, framerate, and would definately be cause for instant sickness if you get that. 25-40 with massive framedrops and stuttering, smearing, jittering and freezing doesnt sound to me like it does anything but more than double any framerate issues. XD

personally im fine at 65 and above no asw in games that arent competetive. not ideal, but i drive settings as far as i can push them since in the moment i wont actually be able to tell playing say a survival crafting title. blade and sorcery gets between 88 and 90 constant, turn asw on? ooooh boy im getting maybe 15 if im lucky.

[little plinth]

ASW limits your fps to half whatever the HMD refresh rate is

then interpolate the other half

but your issue still seem kindaa weird

ASW sucked anyway

use VD with SSW

[vale verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa9F0u72acQ

[smoky iron]

i have 8 nintendo controller as trackers. how can i hook them up as wired trackers

or how do i get the 7 device limit on bluetooth upgraded using a usb

[weak bluff]

you don't

and did you buy 8 tracker just for that

editing 7 limit is possible in regredit but not recommended

[smoky iron]

is recommend ok

[smoky iron]

naw bro, i would have to set it to 9 if so.

[smoky iron]

also pls explain

[barren zealot]

why the fuck would you use joycons for tracking

how would that even work

[haughty thistle]

Same way as Slime Trackers. They use mostly just the rotation data from the IMU (which is fairly accurate) and use the accelerometer for estimating the spine only. Your bones don't magically change in length, so all these trackers need to do is to figure out how much the pivot points have rotated

[haughty thistle]

The limit is in place as 99% of Bluetooth dongles cannot handle more then 7 device connections at a time. There are some that can (like for example the one in the Switch), but they are far and few between, so it isn't recommend turning off this limit in Windows if you don't know what you're doing and you're not 100% sure yours can handle the amount of clients...

[weak bluff]

switch joycon is a horrible investment for slime

at the price of 9 joycon you can get way better FBT trackers

its quite shocking for me

[smoky iron]

i already had them at the time'

and the problem is that all i see slimes are 2000 us dollars

[smoky iron]

what would happen if i only add 2 more slots

just need 8 controllers

[smoky iron]

anyways how do i change the limit

im gunna save it for later

[little plinth]

what kind of slime are you looking at lmao

even the official slime trackers are in the 200 range

[smoky iron]

how much in a pack

[weak bluff]

starting from $165

and there are other good alternative

like modified HTC Vive/Rift CV1 controllers

[barren zealot]

no i mean how do they make a PC talk to joycons

[weak bluff]

or buy from marketplace slimevr

[weak bluff]

SlimeVR software

[barren zealot]

huh

[weak bluff]

using sensors in joycon that detect rotations

[barren zealot]

you'd imagine these things being a brick with anything but the switch

[little plinth]

235 for 8

[smoky iron]

im now confused within two servers

[weak bluff]

gyroscope and accelerometer sense rotation and based on that slapped into body estimate your body posture

[little plinth]

it won't be a good time

[weak bluff]

slimevr works by using IMU sensors to get rotation and guess your body

[little plinth]

i don't think joycons will give accurate tracking

[smoky iron]

so enough for full body

[weak bluff]

nope in fact it sucks at it

[weak bluff]

more than enough

[little plinth]

this will do

but the 5+3 one also works

[smoky iron]

they kinda go off to the side every time you go to steam or oculus menu

[weak bluff]

just 5 is enough for leg tracking without feet and 7/5+2 is minimum with feet

[little plinth]

not really worth it ngl

[smoky iron]

are slimes even good?

[little plinth]

depends on the type of IMU

[weak bluff]

depends on IMU and all of them have drift issue

[little plinth]

but at this price point

[smoky iron]

💀 :Skull:

[little plinth]

you don't have many options

you can't be choosy on a budget

[smoky iron]

i have 300 dollars

[little plinth]

slime is basically the best for this price

[smoky iron]

and with the 300 i can get a valve

[weak bluff]

actually there are hacky solutions like apriltag or iPhone face scanner

free

[little plinth]

what kind of valve is 300??

it's very vague

the controllers?

[smoky iron]

no i can sell my quest at its 600 dollar price as its mint

[little plinth]

no one buying a Q2 at 600 you're nuts

[weak bluff]

what kind of quest sell for 600? lol?

except quest pro but that is a big loss

[smoky iron]

bro then whyed i buy a q2 for 600 dolars

[little plinth]

because you're not being a smart consumer

[weak bluff]

its not even released at $600 its released at $299 then $399 and now $299

[little plinth]

they dropped quest 2 128gb back to 300

[smoky iron]

well

im a dumbass

i guess

[little plinth]

if you want fidelity upgrade you can either get the pico 4 (300) or wait for quest 3 (500)

[smoky iron]

anyways the joycons work

[little plinth]

barely

you'll find your VR body go haywire every other minute

as you need to constantly reset them

due to the drift

[smoky iron]

not alot. last time i got themm to work i never had it go crazy

theres no drift

[weak bluff]

aha placebo effect

joycons is one of worst performing method of using slimevr

[smoky iron]

bro am starting a arguement that gunna get me banned

[little plinth]

you're not going to get banned

[weak bluff]

ok if you cant feel drift then...

enjoy

no hard feelings

[smoky iron]

that flashback a week ago

[smoky iron]

"joy cons are one of the worst but cheapest methods" 💀

[weak bluff]

its not even cheap

the only good reason to use it is if you already have them

[smoky iron]

when you already have them

i already had them

2nd time i said this

[little plinth]

then is it really "cheapest"

[weak bluff]

alternative to joycons are slimevr using cheaper IMU like BMI160 for $50 at 5 trackers or $75 at 7+2

[smoky iron]

!

then how good are is IMUs

[little plinth]

how does this compare to MPU6500

[weak bluff]

they are mid range, reset by survey is 10-20 minutes

MPU6500 is around 10 minute reset average

the official Slime one $165 for 5 trackers reset at around 30-40 minutes

i got myself 6+2 for $55 using BMI160

[smoky iron]

what are good trackers at low price

simply just those

[weak bluff]

there is no 1 single price except the highest end slimevr official ones in https://www.crowdsupply.com/slimevr/slimevr-full-body-tracker

the reason why i got cheaper is because i made one myself

[little plinth]

you can also find people online making them

[weak bluff]

i ordered parts then made it myself and depends on where you are some parts in the world can be cheaper than others

you can also order premade made by others in slimevr marketplace

its in slimevr discord

[little plinth]

like i see this guy selling 6 MPU6500 trackers for 100 bucks

[smoky iron]

so your saying slimevr is a good brand and if i accidently hit the plastic it wont break

[little plinth]

already made with 3d printed casing

[weak bluff]

its not a brand its a open source diy project and you can buy one made officially which is teh highest quality but also priciest slimevr tracker

[little plinth]

where are you even getting this 2000 number from

[weak bluff]

hmm does not look like it

[smoky iron]

this webiste i saw when i was looking at slime vr'

[weak bluff]

look again https://www.crowdsupply.com/slimevr/slimevr-full-body-tracker#products

this is a open source project meaning the instruction, design, code is free to use

[smoky iron]

💀

[weak bluff]

even if you dont buy you can make it yourself with manuals

[little plinth]

FBT is expensive

and this is the best option at this price

you can't complain

vive trackers are like 200 a pop?

[weak bluff]

best out of box FBT solution

per tracker new

[little plinth]

and still need basestations

which is more money

[smoky iron]

holy** your right even less than htc

[weak bluff]

there are many many ways to achieve FBT if you are into hacky stuff

[little plinth]

kinect

[smoky iron]

has items ever made it to the locations

[little plinth]

you can even do 3 kinects to achieve 360 coverage with some hacky shit

there's also one that uses printed QR codes and webcams

[weak bluff]

not yet but they are about to ship

there are live updates in their server

[smoky iron]

when

[weak bluff]

you can check out yourself in their discord server

wait

[smoky iron]

what channel

[little plinth]

but yeah both of this solution require a decent amount of room

while IMU based ones don't

[weak bluff]

https://discord.com/channels/817184208525983775/818062236492759050

[little plinth]

discord can do that now??

[weak bluff]

idk how it looks liek for those not in that server

[smoky iron]

dang

[smoky iron]

id buy some

[little plinth]

i'd probably try making my own

get some BMI160 and cardboard

a good time to learn soldering too

[weak bluff]

i prefer hacking htc vive wand or Rift CV1 controller as leg tracking xd

im actually not happy with my slimevr experience

probably because of my poor soldering skill and using experimental firmware

[smoky iron]

now the joycons mixed with the slimes

[weak bluff]

you can do that

you can even mix vive tracker and slime but you get slime disadvantages

[smoky iron]

now that will achieve 15 trackers

[little plinth]

can you like use visual based tracking like apriltag combined with slime

[weak bluff]

technically yes but you also get slimevr disadvantages

[little plinth]

sounds like a good way to increase accuracy

[weak bluff]

there is no official ways so you have to hack yourself

[smoky iron]

joycons , slimes and phone body tracking?

[weak bluff]

yes those ones are well compatible

just not good quality

[little plinth]

how good are phone ones

i can probably get old androids for cheap as hell

[smoky iron]

they have delay depends on camera'

i have the s21 ultra 5g

[weak bluff]

really depends and reportedly only high end expensive ones are ok-ish, cheaper ones suck and especially iPhone is a nightmare to setup

[little plinth]

not using the camera ones

but where you strap the phone and they become an IMU

[weak bluff]

i origianlly tried buying cheapest phone possible for slimevr and it did nto work so do not risk it

[smoky iron]

so i would have like procise tracking with my phone ,joycons. and if i get the slimes. DAMN

[weak bluff]

you can... but

please understand how slimevr works

using slimevr is like driving a manual car

the more you move the more drift occur

when there is too much drift liek your leg is off, you have to stand up and reset

[smoky iron]

ur saying if there is more trackers theres still more drift

[weak bluff]

last slimevr update actually have drift correction so cheap trracker got somewhat better now

[smoky iron]

ok so yes to slimes

[weak bluff]

all tracker suffer drift so more tracker creates more point of failure

[smoky iron]

what about phone ar

[weak bluff]

it does not use AR

its entirely relies on IMU (accelerometer and gyroscope)

[smoky iron]

no no what about if i use my phone camera as assistance

ok ok give me a sec

[weak bluff]

SlimeVR does not support that and yes it is possibel in theory but no one made a good working one yet

[little plinth]

there's that vest called shockwave

idk about accuracy but it would be much more convenient than strapping trackers

[smoky iron]

theres a app called visoFBT

[little plinth]

that's not his/her point

you can't combine the two easily

[smoky iron]

the apps uses ip adresses. but they are made for vr chat

[little plinth]

you can't combine that and slimevr

[weak bluff]

you can try ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[smoky iron]

worth the try

[little plinth]

ii mean if you can code

[weak bluff]

if it really works well then who buys slime or htc vive

[zinc timber]

at some point
isn't it easier just to get an externally tracked setup

[weak bluff]

yes

[little plinth]

external tracking quality is meh

and needs a decent amount of room

[smoky iron]

when it comes the the hand

[little plinth]

the vr controller handles the hand

[smoky iron]

the cam tracker when it tracks the hand: AAAAAUAUUGHAUG

[zinc timber]

I mean, when you're considering like, eight joycons

[little plinth]

if you want external tracker don't use one that do so via body recognition

[smoky iron]

eight joy cons woth 7 slimes testing with external tracker

[little plinth]

use apriltag

tracking will be better

[weak bluff]

apriltag is probably best free solution