virtual-reality

[weak bluff]

Im fine with layout but damn please make finger tracking part of it standard already

[haughty thistle]

What I find most sad is that we already had the pinnical of controller comfort: The Rift CV1 Touch. Why in Palmer's name did everybody, and I mean everybody including Meta, abandon this design? Yes, I am aware that Meta reused some of the molds of the CV1 touch controllers for the Quest 2 controllers, but because they just lazily flipped the side the tracking ring is on, it messed with the center of gravity and they didn't compensate for that, they also used cheaper materials for them, resulting in a lack of grippability...

[weak bluff]

So flipping ring was not because of change of tracking direction?

[rustic garnet]

Yes it was but they did it without considering how it affected usability

[haughty thistle]

^ This ^

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/nathievr/status/1664272956758048772?s=61&t=K5C0H0FSgqWLxTqGoptBrw

Nathie (@NathieVR)

The Quest 3 has just been announced by Meta! Coming this Fall.

Likes

180

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jun 1, 2023, 2:09 PM

Im just happy this is not Quest 2 replacement lol my quest 2 continues hold value

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Tho they will reduce the price of the Quest 2 back down to 299$US for the 128gb model and 349$US for the 256gb model. Plus in the next firmware update they'll overclock the SoC (CPU and GPU side) for both the Quest 2 and Quest Pro

(mentioned in this blogpost btw: https://www.meta.com/en-gb/blog/quest/vr-hardware-news-quest-3-sneak-peek-price-drop/)

[weak bluff]

Yep

Biggest and to me biggest let down is it is announced before Qualcomm XR2 Gen 2

If this is XR+ then it does not have AV1 support

Big let down

And will make Quest 3 lite if its real unlikely to get XR2 Gen2

[haughty thistle]

In their promo they said double the GPU performance of the Quest 2, which the Quest Pro does not have for a fact. The Quest Pro is a little faster then the Quest 2, but not by much, and it does have the XR2+ in it...

Ofc what this could mean is that they just overclocked the snot out of that XR2+ on the Quest 3, but they never specified what SoC exactly they're using, just that it's a Qualcomm XR-Series SoC...

[weak bluff]

And they dont mention weight anywhere

And rumours say its heavier than quest 2

Another big let down

Another front heavy and back strap

There is no top view camera which some people concern poorer top view tracking

Waving might get worse

[haughty thistle]

Graphics performance of next-gen Snapdragon chip vs. Meta Quest 2
it says on the bottom

[weak bluff]

And controllers too no ring who knows maybe its worse

Yes i seen that

I could not guess which snapdragon chip it will run

[haughty thistle]

For me the Controllers are what make it a big no-no. A ring and camera-less design pretty much will guarantee these things will be tracked by IMU and Finger Tracking algos 95% of the time. My experienc with Finger Tracking is that it doesn't properly work 80% of the time and when it does, it's positional accuracy is rather questionable. Beat Saber Players will hate these things. Mark my words.

[weak bluff]

It makes putting casing and covers harder too

Looks like rigid touchpad is not visible anymore

Its a sideway on quest pro style

[haughty thistle]

No way to attach an Index-like strap to them for sure

[weak bluff]

Oh yes big deal breaker

[haughty thistle]

Plus, these might have lithium rechargables like the QP controllers, considering the Quest 3 has a charging dock connector on the bottom, just like the Quest Pro, tho offset to a side, so likely incompatible with QP accessories...

[weak bluff]

But why charging dock???

Also 2 microphone hole is now gone

Idk where mic is maybe in mid sensor front

So stereo mic is downgraded to mono mic?

[haughty thistle]

Maybe...

[weak bluff]

There is a hole in mid front

[haughty thistle]

Then again, Stereo mics don't really make sense, considering our voices are mono by nature. Adding extra mics for noise cancelling makes sense, tho then you wanna place them in varing locations to properly detect what's noise and what's voice...

[weak bluff]

At least there is ipd wheel ugh

[haughty thistle]

Yeah. At least they recognized that having a 3 step IPD adjustment is just stupid and can legit make people go slightly cross-eyed over prolonged time...

[weak bluff]

I really expected announcement to be fall did not expect today

Maybe there was competition pressure

[haughty thistle]

Apple WWDC

[weak bluff]

Courtesy UploadVR

New status

Japan market

Knowing this is suppose to be at Fall the CPU is XR2 gen 2 for real and because of NDA they cannot reveal name until release?

Like how we got Asus ROG handheld with unknow CPU

[little plinth]

wew quite pricy

[weary garnet]

hey i wanted to ask i kinda got some scratches on my Oculus CV1 lenses and wanted to ask if its legit that you can fix it with polywatch?

[weak bluff]

Its a headset its not an outdoor device

Do you really need to fix scratches

Oh lens then

[weary garnet]

Yeah sorry forgot to mention that

[weak bluff]

Ah you are quite screwed then

Idk

[weary garnet]

Well thats why im asking theres some ppl that say it works

But maybe someone here has good knowledge bout it

[weak bluff]

Just after Quest 3 we getting Beyond update woooooooo https://youtu.be/XKWlaCjGEnU

[weak bluff]

You are better try replacing lens if you can find replacement and do DIY teardown

[rustic garnet]

I wouldn't do that

[weak bluff]

Unfortunate. Not even a normal optical glass have solution.

[rustic garnet]

The rift lenses are plastic btw

[weak bluff]

You can try

[haughty thistle]

The lenses are calibrated in the factory to the screen, so I would never ever replace the lens individual...
Yes, you can repair light lens scratches using PolyWatch, just keep in mind that you'll be removing certain coatings of the lens, making it not only easier scratchable, but also harder to clean. So it's not some magic thing (you're esentially fine-polishing the lens surface)

[weary garnet]

im gonna buy a lens to put on top to keep it safe after

[weak bluff]

What is GearVR lens mod about?

[haughty thistle]

Only for the OG Vive and Vive Pro 1

[weak bluff]

Yeah but why people do it

[haughty thistle]

To get rid of the godrays. Especially on the OG Vive those were pretty brutal. On the VP1 they were fine, but some people still want aspheric, no matter the cost I guess

And it's relatively easy to get the lenses on those two headsets out. On the CV1 they're pretty brutally glued in, so such a mod never existed for that

[weak bluff]

Is godray on every vive headset

[haughty thistle]

Not on the pancake ones xD

Godrays are a inherent form of glare from fresnel lenses

[weak bluff]

If i get my first paycheck i might get HTC Vive kit

[weary garnet]

im thinking of buying Oculus Rift CV1 Prescription Lenses
But idk which ones
im worried i lose a lot POV or is there any recommandation

[haughty thistle]

I have the ones from VROptician and can only recommend them. Especially for the CV1 as theirs to my knowledge are the only ones that clip to the HMD lenses rather then to the facial interface

[weary garnet]

Do you know where i could buy that part of the CV1 mine is rly fucked and disgusting tbh now a days.

[burnt oasis]

does the beyond having 103 degrees fov and 32ppd basically make it a slightly lower spec but much more comfy varjo aero?

and with a great mic where varjo doesnt have a mic

[little plinth]

can't wait for the time something like beyond but standalone exist

somekind of better nreal glasses

you will look cool wearing it at the same time

[burnt oasis]

and slightly more clear displays too

honestly the bigscreen is the better choice overall even at the same price point

more comfort, lighter, smaller, similar fov, it has a great mic and varjo doesnt, OLED is better, similar ppd

but its even better that its less than half the price of the aero

[little plinth]

what sucks about current beyond is needing base stations

[burnt oasis]

isnt that the same with the varjo aero

[little plinth]

any headset with base station is kinda... stuck

stuck in one room

not much versatility even in your own house

[burnt oasis]

honestly id rather need base stations than have lesser tracking

[burnt oasis]

it is an enthusiast headset after all

meant for someone who uses valve knuckles and vive trackers and whatnot

[little plinth]

something like bigscreen but standalone would probably require a separate box for the SoC
like in a bag

or behind your head

i don't see any possibility of fitting actually good hardware on that size

unless the functionality is about as basic as nreal

[burnt oasis]

agreed

its fine being a pc only headset

though what would be crazy is if there was a wireless solution

youd want it on a headset so lightweight

[haughty thistle]

You can get a replacement from VRCover

[little plinth]

i will upgrade to quest 3 probably next year

there are always those people who buy a VR headset and never use it

so i can get it at lower price

though idk if quest 3 is even an upgrade from my pico 4 for PCVR

especially knowoing quest 2 lacks ability to use ethernet and usb tethering

[weary garnet]

could u link it im not finding one that fits mine...

[haughty thistle]

This: https://vrcover.com/product/oculus-rift-foam-replacements/

They're not the bare foam like you're used to, but what came with the headset is a first-party option that afaik was never sold seperatly, so this is your next best option

[weary garnet]

i need the plastic too

[haughty thistle]

Ohh, you#re right, this kit includes it: https://vrcover.com/product/oculus-rift-facial-interface-foam-replacement-pro-set/

There used to be a kit that was only one plastic set, one foam and one fabric cover, but they don't seem to offer that anymore...

[weary garnet]

do you sweat with that foam?

thats what bothers me

with mine

it stores my sweat

its nasty

79 wtf

for plastic and foam

[haughty thistle]

If you use just the foam, the sweat will be repelled by the fake leather and can be easily wiped away, but it also means all the sweat will stay on your face for the session. You can put the fabric cover on top to soak up the sweat during the session and wash it when you need to

[haughty thistle]

Yup, that's why I mentioned that they used to offer a more bare bones pack, which I think was like 35 bucks. This includes like 5 foams (2x blue, 2x red, 1x black) and 2 plastic carriers. They've likely put this together to sell through their remaining stock more quickly...

Alternatively, look on Amazon and see if you can find something from like AMVR or smth...

[gloomy crater]

It's really looking like the Bigscreen Beyond and the Somnium One will be the new forerunners of PCVR for the foreseeable future. One ultra small and light, one that's modular and more conventional with better specs, neither of which are at a price point available for everyday consumers 🙃

[warm stirrup]

Why is the vive pro eye so much more expensive than a regular vive? I get adding a couple hundred usd but I'm seeing a lot of them ranging between 1300-1600 USD

regular vive as in vive pro

[rustic garnet]

it's sooo small

[rustic garnet]

Supply and demand, the people who need eye tracking are probably mostly business users who can afford to shell out

[haughty thistle]

The VPE is pretty much alone with the amount of data it tracks for the eyes and it being a native Lighthouse tracked HMD, there's a lot of demand for it from VRChat players. But HTC discontinued a headset meaning that the supply is basically all dried up. These crazy high prices are people essentially scalping a thing that is no longer being produced...

[haughty thistle]

Companies would probably much rather get somthing brand new then from the used market. So something like a Varjo headset or the Quest Pro. It's not the only Eye Tracked headset after all, but for VRChat it's very desirable, as it has better eye tracking then the Varjo headsets, and has lighthouse tracking unlike the Quest Pro...

[warm stirrup]

Damn that's annoying, I'd so get one instead of the regular Vive pro if it was cheaper

[weak bluff]

some suspicious measurement I noticed on Quest 3 does not look like 40% at all

I tried placing them in photoshop

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, if you take the distance from the nose cap to the front, I'd say maybe 20% max in terms of size reduction...

Saw the pic with the red/green lines earlier today and had the same thought when I saw it...

[weak bluff]

here is more precise comparison if we compare lens to lens distance

Here I managhed to lay over face cover in transparent

[burnt oasis]

is somnium more like pimax or more like bigscreen?

[weak bluff]

neither

[haughty thistle]

It's more like if the Varjo Aero and Index had a child. It doesn't have all the unnecessary plastics the Pimax has and doesn't have OLED or pancake optics which the bigscreen has

[weak bluff]

their "metaverse" is sketchy the somnium one

[burnt oasis]

no im asking if they're more like pimax in the sense that they overpromise and underdeliver, and they underdeliver years after when they promised to do something, crystal was supposed to release almost a year ago and we're not even close to that stage yet

12k was supposed to release q4 2022

[weak bluff]

You want reliability they have no record of making this thing

You are rolling the dice here

[burnt oasis]

somium isn't reliable?

[weak bluff]

Idk

They just have no record of making headset and software is sketchy

[burnt oasis]

also if the somnium actually delivers, will big screen still be better overall? as in better optics (minus the fov), displays, comfort, etc

im thinking big screen will be my upgrade even before the fov bump, but now im even more sure

a $1500 upgrade tho lol

[weak bluff]

Bigscreen is a well known company who have been making vr software since GearVR was still a thing and they can afford overbudget

Bigscreen root is deep

[burnt oasis]

didn't know they were that known

but even better

[weak bluff]

I usedBigscreen when i had my GearVR

[burnt oasis]

i want an varjo killer

for less than half the price and more comfort

which it seems is what they're doing

and better displays and a mic to boot

only downsides are no eye tracking, slightly smaller fov, and does the aero have great pass through?

[haughty thistle]

It's probably not going to be a Varjo killer in every sense if that's what you want to know. The Varjo still has eye tracking which neither the Bigscreen nor Somnium have. Also I can guarantee you that the Aspheric optics in the Varjo are glare free which you can't truely say from pancake optics (some internal reflections will always be present). Then again, the bigscreen will certainly have a million times better contrast then the Varjo, much better comfort and it has an included mic

Just keep in mind that the Varjo still has the higher resolution screens, tho at 32PPD, if that number is true, you'd not be seeing SDE at least in the center on either...

[burnt oasis]

so it's kinda like a varjo killer if the stuff you're looking for is with bigscreen

[haughty thistle]

(30PPD is the point at which you shouldn't be able to see the gaps between the pixels anymore; 60PPD is the point where the pixels themselves start to become indistinguishable)

[burnt oasis]

overall visually, the beyond should look better bc of OLED and zero light bleed, i can tolerate a bit of glare

varjo doesn't seem worth it over $1400 once bigscreen releases

[haughty thistle]

Oh I totally get ya. I would be in the same situation if I didn't already have my Varjo Aero for over a year now xD

That's what made the price worth it to me, the fact that I'm already playing for over year now with this incredibly sharp VR image

[burnt oasis]

im envious, how much nicer is it compared to your last headset, or the quest 2 if you own that

[burnt oasis]

also, do you think a 6800xt will be enough to handle the 5k res of the beyond in graphically modded games? trying to do skyrim vr with 8k and 16k texture mods, some 4k ones too but i want to go all out here for visual quality

i'll upgrade to a 4090 like a year from now lol, it's too expensive currently and a 6800xt should give decent performance id assume

like 60% the 4090s performance at a 4th of the cost

[haughty thistle]

I'm not sure about AMD performance. I know that I'm running my Aero just fine at native 35PPD no problem using my RTX 3090 (tho for some games, performance does lack a bit

[burnt oasis]

though i wonder if even 16gb of vram is enough

a 6800xt is about 10-15% slower at such a high res, what frames do you get in demanding titles?

[sour quartz]

Reckon a 6600 is enough for quest 2 vr?

[burnt oasis]

im using a 6650xt and the issue is more so the vram, i easily get maxed out with 8gb vram

but it runs games smoothly yea

[sour quartz]

Cool

Recommend any games?

[weak bluff]

Ah recommend some small games first before big guns HLA people. Once you play HLA other game becomes worse.

[burnt oasis]

skyrim vr, you can mod it however to your liking and the game in base already has a ton of content, though with mods it's damn near infinite content and quests to go on, you can do graphics mods npc mods, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of skyrim mods. also you can go basic and get the planck and higggs and vrik mod, which give you a body and hands that can interact with objects and npcs (nothing better then throwing an apple at someone to then grab their arm and slice the shit out of them)

it's $20 on steam, best $20 i ever spent on a game honestly

[burnt oasis]

Anyone here in thrill seekers server?

[cobalt geyser]

yes

[burnt oasis]

could you get in contact with a moderator by chance? i got banned from there about 2 years ago and id like to appeal to be unbanned, but no way to contact the server when banned

[cobalt geyser]

Try contacting Atzuki#0002, Sacred#9619, or Vix#0420

they are mods over there

[burnt oasis]

alr, thank you very much, could you ping one of them so they don't think it's a spam dm?

[cobalt geyser]

I just saw what you got banned for, I don't want to get involved. gl

[burnt oasis]

wait what was i banned for?

if it's that bad can we dm

how vulgar was i in the past?

[grizzled field]

beatsaber obvi, rec room is pretty good, haven't played it but superhot VR looks like fun

also your profile pic, I never thought an ugly thing like a spider could be so cute XD

I want to hug it and run away at the same time

do I trust this? It was on Meta's website where they announced the Quest 3:

In an upcoming software update, we’re updating the Quest 2 and Quest Pro GPU and CPU. Quest 2 and Pro will see an up-to 26% CPU performance increase with an up-to 19% GPU speed increase for Quest 2 and 11% for Quest Pro.

[warm stirrup]

That's Lucas the spider

[grizzled field]

who?

[warm stirrup]

Look it up on yt

[grizzled field]

ok lol

[neat comet]

got a 5800x, way better performance, but in vr i get a bad audio stutter? i tried gen 3, i read something about ftpm?

anyone got any idea

[sour quartz]

Most people have that reaction ^-^
Its lukas the spider, theres a whole series on youtube featuring him

[grizzled field]

XD imma watch it at some point

[neat comet]

ahh yep, that was it! disabled ftpm and audio stutter is gone.

it was BAAAAD bad

eff that

its probably because im using uefi compatibility because my system is highly customized and i needed it up soon.

sadly got aurasync, and my old rgb fan which worked, the rgb wires fell off the fan when i took it off the old board

second fan was fine, but.... i unplugged it because looks weird, front of cooler still has rgb. but i think mobo, ram, case fans and front of cooler is fine, although id like 2 fans rgb as well on my cooler, its gonna be w/e in a week, just irritation for now. not getting a new one, that thing took an hour to install because i had virtually no way of screwing it down

gen 4 gpu driver problems seem to be solved, but running ftpm with compatibility mode is a no go

[tawdry dove]

if the pixel count ads up to around 5k you'll be fine for vram

the 6800xt is a 4k card so it'll be fine at 5k though depending on the game it's likely you'll need upscaling

good thing it that 5k is already a high res so upscaling tricks will work better to fill in the gaps

[neat comet]

finally my 3070ti isnt crippled

25fps on low skyrim vr, to 90 solid at max XD

with mods

5800x works great, that ancient i7 4790 pales in comparison by an immeasurable amount lol. my poor 3070ti was begging for frametimes

[burnt oasis]

surprised your vram isn't running out

[neat comet]

metrics dont quite tell the whole story lol.....

it is, but its not dropping frames since it rolls over onto ddr4

[burnt oasis]

damn

[neat comet]

noticing maybe a drop into the 70s momentarily, but not noticable unless i look at fpsvr

[burnt oasis]

meh

6800 would've been nicer

[neat comet]

once in awhile tho, seems like that ancient wd black drive isnt holding anything back.... slower loading but i could honestly care less lol

[burnt oasis]

and i should've gotten a 1080 ti

[neat comet]

5800x is more then enough for a 3070 ti

[burnt oasis]

wait you upgraded from your 4790 to a 5800x?

when?

[neat comet]

yea, i got a 3070 ti new founders on ebay for 400, jumped on it, upgraded the rest today, months later when i oculd

could*

[burnt oasis]

so you got the new cpu ram and mobo today?

[neat comet]

yep

[burnt oasis]

do you have a microcenter

[neat comet]

ftpm is trash if you have an old uefi windows install, and causes horrific audio stutter

no, amazon.

[burnt oasis]

damn

[neat comet]

not reinstalling windows though.... thing is im not spending days customizing it again lol... i did so many things to it and added so many things lol

[burnt oasis]

we'll still, for $440 you could get a 7600 with ddr5 and b650, might be worthwhile since it's faster than the 5800x

in gaming at least

[neat comet]

nah. its all i could afford

[burnt oasis]

ah

13400f tho

it's cheaper and around the same performance

and u can upgrade to 13700k later

[neat comet]

not concerned about the cpu since it doesnt seem to be effected in gaming.... i do see jumps into the 90s with that old cooler using a stress test, or when it loads... but other than that case, i dont. its probably that cooler. sits at around 60-70 most of the time gaming. which is all i plan to do, tested the most cpu intensive games so im good.

[burnt oasis]

when you can, get a ps 120 so you can really utilize pbo

[neat comet]

but i think it spikes, i see it hit 90, drop to 60, hit 90 drop to 60 in stress tests

but watching the clock speed, it doesnt change

[burnt oasis]

temps will be great too, they're $40 great dual towers

[neat comet]

so its not throttiling, seems like the 5800x has incredibly rapid temp jumps before the fans can catch up

4.5ghz is good right?

not taking that thing out if i dont have to, sadly its old and the rgb cable on one fan broke, so i unplugged the other, i have the front panel on it with rgb still though. ill get over it in a week. aurasync mobo, ram, front of cooler, case fans.

good nuff for now. havent seen it go over 30% in a game

i think a big part of the metrics that arent accounted for in gaming is the cpu cache.... my old cpu had a monumentally tiny one in comparison

frametimes were jarringly bad

[neat comet]

testing, seems all good in everything i could need, sweet

[weak bluff]

you have a motherboard that only support PCIE gen 3 and reused old RAM?

[jolly marsh]

Hii it's normal that the cloth on the inside of the mask to be like that

It's rift cv1 also

[haughty thistle]

That indicates that the fabric was exposed to high humidity during it's lifespan. Likely some bloke using a Vape while wearing the headset. Personally I wouldn't go with one that looks like this, because they usually have some pretty bad smell to them, which you can't get rid of...

The fabric on the bottom of the HMD also kinda points to that. Almost looks like it has fungi in it already 😬

[jolly marsh]

Yeah the foam it's getting changed, it's all dirty and dusty on that also

[jolly marsh]

You're saying the fabric between the lenses no?

[haughty thistle]

Yup

[jolly marsh]

Meen this was the VR that I was going to buy, the warranty ones if you remember

[lime pewter]

Wearing diseases on your face

[jolly marsh]

Well, they are from Pontevedra. That place is really humid but I don't think to that point (64% of humidity today, think that it can be more in winter)

[jolly marsh]

With the foam changed nah

[jolly marsh]

Or yes?

[little plinth]

Coming to think about it again

Quest Pro is basically hololens 3

We've come a long way

[warm stirrup]

Honestly tho

[weak bluff]

The look then yes

It has bit different target customer

[little plinth]

Eh they're both for professional consumers

Just different field i guess

Hololens is more intended for those in STEM

But functionally they're close, just one is half the msrp and significantly more advanced

[weak bluff]

One is for individual professional one is for enterprise

One is VR first one is AR first

Not same class not even same price one is 4 grand

No its not even close

You can only buy Hololens as dev kit or bulk order for enterprise while QPro is accessable for purchase

You only use Hololens in closed business environment

Or even military

[sour quartz]

hey will front usb c be enough for quest 2 link?

[weak bluff]

As long it supports USB 3.0 and it passes test which you can test in Oculus Software

[brazen hedge]

Is it possible to link my pc to my quest 2, so it's like I'm using pcvr, with the good graphics and suff

[little plinth]

Yes

[sour quartz]

Yes, all you need is the occulus software set up on the pc for it to work with steamvr afaik

[little plinth]

and a link cable

[sour quartz]

At least thats what i've done previously

[little plinth]

or 5GHz wifi

[brazen hedge]

So, if I connect my pc, will I be able to change the quest's fov?

[little plinth]

no that's tied to the hardware

[brazen hedge]

But I saw a video where someone changed their quest 2's fov using oculus mirror

[weak bluff]

Check again because that is impossible

[brazen hedge]

Maybe it is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv-CvQY3mgk

[little plinth]

entirely missing the second half of the title

that's for recording purposes

[brazen hedge]

So, I won't be able to see it in-game, just on the recording

[burnt oasis]

that's while recording dumbass lol

[weak bluff]

Your FOV is limited by design no software can increase it

[little plinth]

VR headset fov is literally directly tied to the hardware's dimensions

[burnt oasis]

actually i thought software tweaks could theoretically cost fov

[little plinth]

i mean it would entirely look disorienting

[burnt oasis]

so did bigscreen upgrade the lenses to larger ones?

[brazen hedge]

Oh, well I've heard there are accessories that can increase fov

[weak bluff]

It probably extend FOV overriding headset which does not matter simply because lens does not extend where it overrided

[little plinth]

big screen never got an FOV "upgrade"

[burnt oasis]

damn

[weak bluff]

But you can maximize existing design by putting your eyes closer to lens

[little plinth]

it simply removed the software limitation

[burnt oasis]

oh

[brazen hedge]

I thought the fov would increase if you were further away from the lens

[burnt oasis]

what that makes no sense

the opposite

[brazen hedge]

oh lol.

Is this bs? https://www.quora.com/How-do-we-increase-the-field-of-view-FOV-for-the-Oculus-Quest-virtual-reality-headset#:~:text=FOV can be increased by,attach to the headset itself.

[weak bluff]

My eyelid already is touching the lens i do see more try to squeeze but that will be very uncomfortable

Oh god quora

[little plinth]

"ASW increase FOV" 💀 💀

"Third Party Lenses"

[weak bluff]

Lmao

What

[little plinth]

you can't even remove the lenses

you can only add attachment to the existing lens

[weak bluff]

ASW has nothing to do with increasing FOV

[little plinth]

the second one tho

"increase FOV by 140 degree"

man really think some attachment lense gonna make a quest 2 become a pimax

[weak bluff]

They say there are no stupid questions but I say Quora is full of those plus stupid answers too

[little plinth]

speaking of ASW, really when will we apply them to desktop use

linus already demonstrated it months ago

in combination with FSR you can have ultimate gameplay on a budget

[brazen hedge]

So, it's not possible?

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 have already maximized FOV in screen coverage via software. You are also hardware limited by Quest 2 flaw of single display meaning some IPD settings will get you worse FOV

[weak bluff]

No.

[brazen hedge]

I'll just save up for the valve index then

I can't stand low fov

[little plinth]

wait does that mean the pico 4 having two LCDs not suffer the same thing with different IPD?

[weak bluff]

You are lens limited and on top of that if your eyes are too wide, display limited on top of that.

[little plinth]

i mean Reverb G2 and Pico 4 is there

[brazen hedge]

Are they meant for steam?

[weak bluff]

No it just means IPD change should have no FOV affection

[little plinth]

which is what i asked

[weak bluff]

Because changing IPD will change display location also

[little plinth]

Reverb G2 is dedicated for PCVR, which mean yes
Pico 4 is like the Quest 2, you'll need to use USB/WiFi/Ethernet for steamvr

[weak bluff]

In Quest 2 because it is single display changing IPD will change image display size

To fit in

[brazen hedge]

Reverb G2 is like 2x less money, so is it that much worse, or basically the same experience

[little plinth]

Reverb G2 is like basically the best shit visually

[weak bluff]

Its better for PCVR for sure

[little plinth]

if you want to keep standalone feature and save like $100 the pico 4 is also there and still look better than quest 2

[brazen hedge]

If it's better why is the valve $999???

[little plinth]

lots of hardware

[brazen hedge]

like?

[little plinth]

and unlike the G2, Quest 2, Pico 4, etc it uses basestations

means better tracking

and can track 6dof even behind you

the G2 uses inside out tracking

[brazen hedge]

Wow. I'll look into comparisons. Thanks

[weak bluff]

This is a mess.

[little plinth]

but visually the index is falling behind from what i hear

[weak bluff]

Quality.

[little plinth]

but eh i don't have the index

can't say personally

the G2 is basically the best in visual fidelity excluding some $3000 prototypes but of course you have to compromise in tracking

the valve index is overall the best one

but considering the G2 is like $400 it's an okay compromise

[weak bluff]

If you want standalone, there is Quest 2 best value. If you want a good PCVR, get SteamVR or WMR native headsets.

[little plinth]

Quest 2 right now is defitinely not a good value, not until quest 3 when they drop Q2 back to $300

you're buying an outdated headset at $400

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 is good value. Price drop is tomorrow.

Enough.

[little plinth]

a very aggresive way of conversing

Virtual Boy is the best.

Enough

[burnt oasis]

nah bigscreen beyond will be best now

[warm stirrup]

Their both good at two different things, it's like saying ultrawide monitors are better than flat screen, really depends on your use cases and preferences. The beyond is a lot like an index mini, and the index has undoubtably more features. It's like do you want something small and comfortable? Go beyond, want features like top of the line quality speakers and other things? go index

[haughty thistle]

Jeebus. People weren't understating the Quest Pro having a comfort issue

Finally had some time with one myself, and yeah, massive forhead pain after maybe an hour of playtime

[tawdry dove]

index comes with the knucles which are like the golden standard for controllers and the reverb g2 has good controllers too just not as good

the reverb g2 controllers lack the touch sensitivity on the buttons that makes gestures in vr chat and the such possible

other than that they are good

you can use knuckles with the reverb g2 if you get base stations and your own pair of knuckles

[weak bluff]

Planned obsolescence https://twitter.com/MultiCallum/status/1665019584649330690?s=20

Callum Hurley (@MultiCallum)

UPDATE: Turns out the Oculus App issue also affects Quest 1. If you factory reset your Oculus Go or Quest 1, you will not be able to set it up using the most recent versions of the Oculus App.

Android users can install the APK for version 212.0.0.109. No solution for iOS yet.

Twitter · Jun 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

[brazen hedge]

Weird. Because my oculus quest 2 stopped working randomly like a week ago. I didn't drop it or anything, it just wouldn't turn on. And when I plugged it in the light wouldn't go on. I tried factory resetting it, but that was after it stopped working. I dropped it off at best by a week or two ago, but I suspect they'll just have to replace it.

[weak bluff]

This has nothing to do with quest 2

Youhave a separate issue

Contact for help if all diagnosis from Meta official does not work

[burnt oasis]

im fine with my own headphones on such a small headset

[weak bluff]

PSVR2 driver maker got help offer from Linus

Source: https://twitter.com/iVRy_VR/status/1665037205981495299/photo/1

iVRy (@iVRy_VR)

The efforts to reverse-engineer PSVR2 so it can be used on PC have hit a wall - we need to "snoop" what is happening on the main DisplayPort link. The equipment to do that is too expensive, and can't be rented where I am, so we need to find someone who has access to the equipment

Likes

781

Twitter · Jun 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

[little plinth]

I ordered an IR floodlight

Basically a night vision goggle now lel

And being able to play in the dark will make the slight light leak because of me wearing glasses a non issue

[tawdry dove]

@haughty thistle could you explain how pancake lenses make the image getting to your eyes darker?

[burnt oasis]

chatgpt

[tawdry dove]

I trust him more than chat gpt

[vale verge]

Who in here is ready to buy Apple VR? Raise your hand!

[burnt oasis]

no

idc how good of a product it is, if it doesn't come in at under $1600 then im not taking a second glance at it

bigscreen beyond ftw

[vale verge]

tethered vr in 2023? ewwww gross 💀

[rancid kestrel]

Does anyone know why my wireless Vive will go blank after a couple moments in VR requiring a restart?

[grizzled field]

YUCKIES, I won't buy it apple sucks

its also expected to be crazy expensive,

[weak bluff]

The alternative either suck or expensive. Both will make headset heavier which is not the goal of Bigscreen that they mentioned in QnA.

[gloomy crater]

People who refuse to use VR that isn't wireless because 'muh spatial freedom!' honestly astound me. It's like being able to percieve the 4th dimension but losing your eyesight as a sacrifice. Yes, being able to move around without a cable is nice, but the cost of that feature way outweighs the benefit, and it will continue to do so until they find a way to make high speed wireless transmission so fast, inexpensive, small, and light, that it would be stupid not to include it.

[rancid kestrel]

The wireless Vive stuff is only missing inexpensive.

[weak bluff]

Wireless vive have to be expensive so they go all out

[burnt oasis]

compression that makes a 4k image look like 720p? ewww gross and also nofio may make a solution for the bigscreen beyond but honestly idc for the cable as i'll have a pulley system and will also likely use an omni treadmill

[haughty thistle]

The simple explanation is half-mirrors and polarisation filters.
These are an integral part of how pancake optics function. Basically after the light exits the screen it must be polarized if it isn't already (for example OLED screens need a pol filter for pancake optics, which they don't for aspherics and fresnels). Then the light passes through the first lens element, which is a partial mirror on the exit side (so here we already loose some light). Then it passes though a coating that slightly rotates the polarization of the light (again light gets lost) and hits another partial mirror on the second element. The light that passes through will mostly be caught by another pol filter as it doesn't have the right polarization yet, so it's also lost, but partially visible as an out of focus ghost image. The light that got reflected goes back through the pol rotation layer and back to the first mirror. Again same thing, part gets lost as it goes back to the screen and part gets reflected back to the second element. After one of these back forth cycles, the light that goes through the second element is the light you end up seeing as the main image, but that's only a fraction of the light that entered the lens stack. The rest that is still in the lens stack continues bouncing until it was absorbed by the filters or passed through either end of the lens stack out of focus...

At least, this is how pancake optics were explained to me

[tawdry dove]

thank you

[haughty thistle]

Guess I can't say a word, because part of it is a swear word lol
Anyways, I think this graphic explains the light path inside a pancake optics very well. The element in the middle with the 1/4 Lambda is what does the pol rotation

[lime pewter]

the only thing I ever think about with VR displays is "VR is the only thing I would go oled for... you can run it at lower brightness and nothing should ever be static, no one can sit still for long enough... and would probably be hell having no actual blacks"

I do not understand all those stuff, am too dumb for this

[dull tide]

Apple is going to do a Apple Watch
Release a $3000 “ consumer priced” “Dev Kit”
Release the “Real version” 6 months later

Silently retire the launch product

[weak bluff]

that is my bingo but not in 6 months

[little plinth]

damn, the ir illuminator doesnt work on pico 4 rgb cam. but it does allow 6dof in total darkness

no night vision :(

[haughty thistle]

2 days in with a Quest Pro and I already had passthrough color bugged. Turned the headset on yesterday and it was back to Quest 2 like b/w passthrough. A standby cycle fixed it's but yeah xD

(not to mention that colors feel a lot like color on VHS)

[rustic garnet]

aren't oled black response times to long like they make black smear don't they

The rift and vive got around that by never turning pixels off completely so it's always GTG response times

But the gearvr had awful black smear

[haughty thistle]

The Rift did that with the raised gamma. The Vive does turn the pixels fully off, and it's not that big of a deal honestly

[grizzled field]

I've been reading Ready Player One recently, and in the book the "OASIS Visors" instead of using lenses, they project the image directly onto your eyeball, and I need to know, why isn't this a thing yet, like its gotta be possible right?

[little plinth]

projecting an image to your eyeball sounds like

regular vr headset

lol

because literally

it's a display with a lense that focuses it right to your eyes

[lime pewter]

I mean, that would just be a display still?

if it didn't direct the light at you, you wouldn't see anything

[little plinth]

regular displays on phones don't use lenses

that's why i say display and lense as separate entity

[rustic garnet]

Wait doesn't the vive use low persistence displays

[haughty thistle]

Vive and Vive Pro both use OLED. Dunno if any particular type of OLED, but what I can tell ya is that there's only very minimal amounts of black pixel smearing, from the pixels turning off...

[rustic garnet]

I remember Alex Vlachos talking about it in one of the advanced vr rendering gdc talks

[little plinth]

so what's the cheapest shit with oled

[burnt oasis]

rift cv1

[little plinth]

what's the cheapest that isn't ancient

lel

[weak bluff]

Nothing

Early version are not cheap on release

Later version that made for value cheap out with LCD

[little plinth]

i asked the cheapest, meaning what has the lowest price

there can't be nothing with the lowest price

something always has the lowest price

[weak bluff]

Ok what do you consider as not ancient

[little plinth]

anything newer than an index i guess?

i think the index is a pretty good middle point

[weak bluff]

Quest 1?

[little plinth]

Quest 1 got oled? that's pretty cool

[weak bluff]

Yes

There are probably some that i missed but they never make enough to buy easily anyways

Maybe Vive Pro after that

But Quest 1 issues are starting to rise recently

[little plinth]

if it's only for PCVR it can be fine maybe

there is that

[weak bluff]

Probably not for long

[little plinth]

factory reset thing

recently

[weak bluff]

Yes

And you will probably get same issue once there is version mismatch between Oculus software and quest 1

And Quest 1 store is dying

Maybe FOSS sideloading streaming can save you but any bugs wont be fixed or at least fixed fast

You will also risk security vulnerability after 2024 last security patch

[tawdry dove]

there is technology to do this

some people that have lost their eyesight but still have the nerves in their eyes can have a camera on the outside of their head can have wires sent through into some of the nerves in the eye which gives them sight

it's very low quality as of now but it can definitely improve

[grizzled field]

A regular VR headset uses lenses that you look through, this would instead work like a prjector, and project the image directly onto your eyes,

[tawdry dove]

I thought you meant something else

[grizzled field]

no it would work like a video projector, but straight onto your eyeballs instead of a wall, not having to hook anything up to your nerves lol

the difference between a regular headset and this would be the same difference between a television and a projector

[haughty thistle]

Nope. You were pretty correct. There was the Quest 1, then a whole lot of nothing. OLED is only now coming back with the Bigscreen Beyond. There was the arpara scam in between, but yeah, that was a Kickstarter scam...

[weak bluff]

Almost forgot about arpara

[haughty thistle]

Oh, and the PSVR2. Almost forgot that...

The PSVR2 is the last to use a standard OLED on Glass/Plastic screen, whereas both the BSB and arpara use OLED on Silicon (aka microOLED)

[weak bluff]

Cant i technically buy arpara on aliexpress and get my money protected by aliexpress?

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but they scammed all the Kickstarter backers (basically none received their orders)

[weak bluff]

WWDC live now

[dull tide]

In b4 Apple Reality pro requires two mini IPads as controllers.

[little plinth]

damn WWDC a lot more crowded than meta's stream

[warm stirrup]

Just started watching wwdc, anything mentioned about vr?

[haughty thistle]

Likely going to be a "One Last Thing", so probably right at the end

[warm stirrup]

Ok

[weak bluff]

2 apple watch required

[dull tide]

Funnily enough I got two old ones

Imagine if you can use old Apple Watches around your feet for full body tracking

[weak bluff]

You could sell that and buy slimevr instead

[dull tide]

But I want to look like a total Chad with the watches on my legs and two apple iPad minis as shiruken

[little plinth]

assuming an apple headset works outside their ecosystem (steamvr) is bold

[weak bluff]

Using apple watch for anything is even more bold

[dull tide]

Or gets crushed in the App Store

[little plinth]

if they let the apple headset be a pcvr device like everything else

[weak bluff]

Its sarcasm

[little plinth]

i would be

surprised

[weak bluff]

No they dont

No way

[dull tide]

We still don’t have parsec for iPad OS iirc

[little plinth]

apple headset will definitley not use android like everyone else

and no sidequest for you also

[weak bluff]

Aha well maybe no

Apple is forced to allow sideloading in EU

So maybe sideloading will be available

[little plinth]

apple will just, make two different version of the headset

the rest of the world gets the poopy one

[weak bluff]

It is expected to be regionlocked

[dull tide]

Inb4 you tap the antenna on a HMD and it drops the connection

You’re holding it wrong

[haughty thistle]

you're not supposed to hold it during usage

[rustic helm]

Is this worth it

@haughty thistle

[haughty thistle]

Yes? Always recommend a faux-leather interface for hygene in VR

[rustic helm]

Alright

[harsh niche]

it's time

one mroe thing

[lime pewter]

and not VR at all

seems like something apple would make at least, lel
just talking about business stuff or interacting with people, etc

[rustic garnet]

what did they say

[lime pewter]

So far all I got out of it is like some image viewing/facetime device, lol

and just browsing on safari specifically, with no actual controls, just looking at what you want and siri

[rustic garnet]

wtf

huh

Wait is this an ar device

[lime pewter]

yes

[rustic garnet]

skullface emoji

[lime pewter]

with no controls, so feel like it would be trash

hand tracking, eye tracking and siri

[sullen linden]

ngl they should rename it to apple bean pro max

[lime pewter]

lets just say its basically just a remote meeting headset

that's what they seem to be aiming for

[rustic garnet]

No i figure apple of all people could cook up a pretty banger hand tracker

[lime pewter]

it uses eye tracking to actually select apps and parts of the display tho

or at least, that's what they about said

[rustic garnet]

wt

f

[lime pewter]

having to tell siri if you want to close an app

using hand tracking to move the apps around the room

[rustic garnet]

What is this, google cardboard?

[lime pewter]

and eye tracking to select the apps, videos, etc

[rustic garnet]

Also that headstrap lookks

ridiculous

No top support

[lime pewter]

"hey siri, close safari"

[rustic garnet]

And looks like flimsy fabric?

[lime pewter]

doesn't sound like its an extension either

a standalone device that is linked to your mac, iphone, etc to keep up to date with settings or smth

[lime pewter]

I do kinda like the way it looks, I just think voice control is just embarrassment simulator and eye tracking never really worked all too well

[sullen linden]

@lime pewter I don't know who would buy a headset that looks like a bean... but then again samsung made eurbuds that looked like beans so... maybe people will buy it

[lime pewter]

no one really wants the bean buds

as they are horrible

[lime pewter]

I mean, people said the same about airpods

toothbrushes in your ears

[sullen linden]

airpods is better... it's just looks like wired ones

[lime pewter]

now its closer to a fashion statement

[sullen linden]

but like a big bean on ur face...

that's something else

[lime pewter]

I just can't imagine any reason for someone to want that headset

[rustic garnet]

I mean like ergonomically

[lime pewter]

it would just slow you down

no keyboard or mouse

[sullen linden]

I'm actually gonna buy two tbh...

[lime pewter]

only eyes, hands and voice

[rustic garnet]

Unless it's really light but i doubt that

[sullen linden]

one to use and one to just keep until like 10 years later

[sullen linden]

cuz 10 years later, the first apple bean pro is gonna be treated like the first iphone

[lime pewter]

I honestly hope this fails, but they try again

give it normal controls

[sullen linden]

idk

it looks cool

the shape not

the ideayes

it's prolly gonna succeed big time

[lime pewter]

for business its just throwing away time, which is like 80% of what they mentioned, rest is viewing images

[sullen linden]

its apple, and anything they make sells like hot cakes

[sullen linden]

and disney plus 💀

tru

[rustic garnet]

"spatial computer" 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[lime pewter]

its basically a multi thousand dollar device just for viewing images

[sullen linden]

lmao that's one way to explain it

[lime pewter]

I would just buy a samsung frame

[sullen linden]

but a mac and an iphone is also just a multi thousand dollar device just for viewing images tbh

[sullen linden]

what is that?

oh the tv?

[lime pewter]

yes

the one that looks like a picture frame

[lime pewter]

if you use the programs they are good for, they make sense

[sullen linden]

I mean I think the bean pro can be used for cool stuff

[lime pewter]

controls for this will make all work related stuff horribly slow

[sullen linden]

it's like a hologram unit but better

[rustic garnet]

Not gonna lie this is actually really cool hardware

[lime pewter]

I honestly would've rather seen them make a device that is an extension to their actual computers

[sullen linden]

they just said that it's "so precious it doesn't need bulky controllers"

[sullen linden]

so imma just take their word for it this time

they're a multi trillion dollar company

[lime pewter]

form over function company, but..

[sullen linden]

I'm guessing they have the tech and resources to pull off somthing like this

[lime pewter]

they likely just threw away controllers because its cleaner and seems more seemless

kinda like how they hide every single thing on their OS behind 5 billion tabs

[sullen linden]

that' true

but still

I think its good overall

[lime pewter]

I am 99% sure would slow down work by too much and turn into a way to expensive photo gallery viewing device

[sullen linden]

its just an enthusiast product

for those who want to try something new

It's the same thing as the first samsung folding phone

[sullen linden]

that was also new and people were against it

[lime pewter]

sadly those who would buy it for work and take 10x as long to finish the same job would just put it to the side

[sullen linden]

now it's samsung's best seling models

[sullen linden]

it's not for work

[lime pewter]

80% of what they said, is related to business

[sullen linden]

it's for casual experiences

like both work and living

it's just a "life" product

[lime pewter]

work from home, at work, etc

[sullen linden]

yea

[lime pewter]

which just won't work at all

[sullen linden]

just casual work

not for pro work

[lime pewter]

there is no such thing as casual work tho

either you have to do your work, or you just do whatever you want and don't need to care about how long it takes

idk what kinda work you have to do to not be fired if you suddenly decide "imma take 10 months longer to finish because I want to have fun"

[sullen linden]

I think they mean

it's like just for those weekend crunch hours

every now and then

and between the weekend crunch hours, u can use it as a better verison of mac Ig

[lime pewter]

best part of it is meetings ig

[sullen linden]

yea

but Idk if its just me, but I think samsung might make a better version of it soon

their tech is becoming overwhelmingly good these days

[lime pewter]

android standalone headset?

[sullen linden]

super risky, but unlike apple, it is grounded in things that actually work

[sullen linden]

yea

[lime pewter]

please no android

[sullen linden]

samsung ar headset thats not only android

but also windows

a seemless transition between android and windows

at the same time

[lime pewter]

I would like to see samsung make a head mounted TV tho

[sullen linden]

?

[lime pewter]

a headset that is entirely meant to be used as a TV

[sullen linden]

...

Idk

samsung tvs are ok, but I use it with apple tv anyways

so I feel like it's just gonna be a waste of resources from samsung

[lime pewter]

not talking about the OS of TVs

[little plinth]

this failing could very much destroy the entire confidence in the vr industry

[sullen linden]

so just a tv?

[sullen linden]

yea fr

[lime pewter]

I sure hope it doesn't go towards eye tracking and voice control tho, having to use voice assistant to close an app

[little plinth]

and the vision pro is indeed absolutely technologically advanced

[rustic garnet]

U cannot dig on Apple's hardware and engineering teams those guys know what the fuck they're doing but marketing and execs want products that don't take full use of their talent

[sullen linden]

over 5000 patents 💀

[little plinth]

3499

no number hit harder than that

[sullen linden]

I'm looking forward to how chinese knockoff companies will pull this off

[tawdry dove]

they shoulda just axed the R1 and the ultra micro oled panels

[rustic helm]

If I use my own psu, would this be worth it?

[sullen linden]

imagine them actually having to work on a knock off product for once 💀

[little plinth]

no they shouldn't ace anything

this is their "dev" product

[lime pewter]

I am mostly hating on their need to dumb everything down

[rustic garnet]

Yeah

[little plinth]

that will probably get replaced by something one third the price

in a few months

[rustic garnet]

That's a marketing and brand identity issue

[little plinth]

cough apple watch

[rustic garnet]

I hate it too

[lime pewter]

I don't like macOS mostly because of how they hide everything too much, and not as an option

[rustic garnet]

Real

or idk i haven't really used it

I think most of my bad experiences with macos is due to being used to windows

[sullen linden]

the nothing vision pro 💀

[lime pewter]

my first few years was more macos than windows

not really using it so much as someone nearby having a macbook

had my own PC quite late

[tawdry dove]

right now a shit ton of people are pissed because for some reason they expected this headset would appeal to their use case

[lime pewter]

I got about what I expected from apple, just not something I would feel like using, 99% of which is because of the controls being too granny

[little plinth]

i'm excited for this thing because of the impact it could do to the confidence in the vr industry and making it mainstream

not exactly because it's going to appeal to me

it should be expected this isn't a gaming device

like a quest 3

[lime pewter]

its not about a gaming device

its about having to tell siri to close an app

[rustic garnet]

i think someone will find a way to play beat saber on it tbqh

[little plinth]

i believe the hand controls are better than you think. i mean it's apple

[lime pewter]

the hand controls would be least terrible, but those have already been done well

[little plinth]

and honestly i'd want to ditch the hardware controller if hand tracking is good enough

[rustic garnet]

Yeah

[little plinth]

less point of failure to worry about

[lime pewter]

voice controls will just always be annoying if overused
and eye tracking has never really been accurate enough

[rustic garnet]

?

Have you tried it

[little plinth]

there never been an actual eye tracking solution that is as sophisticated as apple

so kinda unfair to base the experience off of previous attempts by other companies

[rustic garnet]

So wait is this a pancake lens or just a multi-element lens like the index

[lime pewter]

they will have to show they made something good enough

[little plinth]

idk about you but i'm impressed at the technology

[lime pewter]

tho voice controls would still be annoying if its the only way to close an app, tab, etc

[little plinth]

and i'm pretty sure you can without using siri

and look at the bezillion sensors on that shit holy fuck

well it is a 3500 bucks device but still

[tawdry dove]

honestly apple shoulda waited like 3 years

[lime pewter]

bit much, but its a first anyway

[haughty thistle]

It is super accurate in VR. DFR only works in VR because of the better accuracy. But still wouldn't use it as the only input method...

[tawdry dove]

they jumped in during a lot of shifting in the vr market

[little plinth]

in 3 years vr could probably be already dead

[tawdry dove]

in 5 years computer could probably be dead

[little plinth]

apples to oranges

[haughty thistle]

We'll see. It looks like a solid Professional VR headset. But I do agree that it's in a sort of weird spot, where they advertise it mainly to consumers, but price it higher then existing professional targeted devices...

[little plinth]

a halo product

very similar to the first samsung fold

no one buying a $2k phone that breaks after 10 folds

[rustic garnet]

wait holy scrap 3500$ 💀💀

i mean

[lime pewter]

what it looks like to me: 3500$ picture viewing device

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Basically "look what we can do". Should've done it back when VR was still relatively new tho. That's when these sort of halo products actually work. Now it's more just "one more option, but a really pricy one"

[rustic garnet]

Like that display that sensor array

ig it's justified

but still

[little plinth]

previous companies don't have the horde of sheeps

[rustic garnet]

Wait did they mention ipd adjustment?

[rancid kestrel]

Can you do VR Yuzu?

[rustic garnet]

i saw the swappable lenses

[little plinth]

they don't but in one of the animations it shows motorized IPD adjust

[haughty thistle]

They obv. didn't have the software to properly show it off yet. Otherwise they'd likely picked talking points other then "3D picture viewer" and "MS Word in AR"

[rustic garnet]

Im rly bummed by the m2 chip with no way to tender externally

[lime pewter]

imo its a bit dumb, the rich will get it tho, 3500$ for some people is like what 10$ is for us

[rustic garnet]

like ok fair enough that's the same chip as in their computers

[little plinth]

what do you expect tho. if they're releasing m3 it won't be in a vision pro

it will be in a new macbook

and creating an entire new silicon just for the vision pro is risky

[lime pewter]

no real reason to anyway

[little plinth]

we will need to wait until they release their actual consumer product that costs closer to their iphones

[lime pewter]

2025 or smth probs earliest

probably 2025-2026

if it isn't a failure

[rustic garnet]

No i mean like no DP input for pcvr

Or

macVR i suppose

[little plinth]

DP on VR is kinda dead

[rustic garnet]

No

[little plinth]

Pico 4, Quest 2 and 3

[rustic garnet]

oh shut up

[little plinth]

all new standalone headsets no longer use DP

it is what it is

[rustic garnet]

For a device with 23 million pixels you're not gonna fucking use compressed wifi

[little plinth]

Quest Pro if you wanna add

the vision pro is like

[rustic garnet]

Idc the quest should have dp as well

[little plinth]

mostly standalone

[rustic garnet]

It literally has usb c just add dp alt mode

If they want to market this as a "pro" device they have to accomodate pro use cases

For instance anything engineering or visualisation is gonna need more power

[lime pewter]

"nah, 500ms latency in VR is fine"

[little plinth]

really

[rustic garnet]

Like that thing is what 15 watts?

[little plinth]

it is not made for people who are in this channel pretty much

[lime pewter]

I mean, no human can handle high latency in VR

[little plinth]

it's not going to be 500ms

you're exaggerating

even on shitty wifi 5 it's 60

[rustic garnet]

The m2 soc is fine and dandy i suppose BUT in a desktop environment with adequate COOLING and POWER DELIVERY

[rustic garnet]

That's still way to much

[little plinth]

people who buy a 3500 bucks device probably don't use trash networking

and the use cases is almost entirely standalone

it

a macbook on your face

[lime pewter]

meh

macbook has much more support

[little plinth]

like really idk why everyone here expects it's gonna cater to our use cases

it's very much expected it won't

[rustic garnet]

https://twitter.com/m_warb/status/1580879976336719873

Matthew Warburton (@m_warb)

How lagged is feedback in your VR system? In a new Behavior Research Methods paper, we measure the motion-to-photon latency of the HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Oculus Rift S, and Valve Index

With Mark Mon-Williams, @faisalmushtaq, and @rmhead

https://t.co/dBCJWoaFSK

Thread 👇

Twitter · Oct 14, 2022, 11:15 AM

[lime pewter]

I would expect it to do more than viewing images and facetime for 3500

[rustic garnet]

desktop hmds have on the order of 10 ms

[little plinth]

like i said

it's not made for us

and i believe latency will be low

they made R1 just for that

[lime pewter]

they don't even know what they are targeting, was all over the place

[rustic garnet]

Yeah obviously because it's native

Im talking about latency with wireless rendering

R1 is cool asf though

[little plinth]

they created a new chip for latency
they won't be dumb enough to miss the problem with latency on wireless rendering

it probably uses wifi direct or other stuff that bypasses the router entirely

[rustic garnet]

That's what im fucking saying that's why it should have displayport

It probably doesn't have any way to connect to a computer

[lime pewter]

doesn't seem like a display for a macbook anyway... tho they did say you can import what is currently on the screen
(a static 2d image tho, not something that moves with you)

[little plinth]

because it's not made for vr gaming

there's no reason people who buy this shit gonna need to connect to their pc with DP

[rustic garnet]

They branded it as a spatial computer that means they already see it as having all the computer it needs

[little plinth]

the connection with the macbook is literally just for virtual screen that only takes up part of your FOV

and with foveated rendering

[rustic garnet]

They literally showed like an engineering model visualisation as a suggested use case

[little plinth]

it does not need to transmit 8k240

[rustic garnet]

Those things render thousands of rigid bodies

[little plinth]

when was that

[rustic garnet]

The race car

And the production line ig

[lime pewter]

importing 3D models is what I did see at least

[rustic garnet]

im just saying

[little plinth]

really

[rustic garnet]

In a professional environment

[little plinth]

the only thing they show when connecting to the macbook is like for that virtual screen

[rustic garnet]

They would probably like to not be limited by a mobile soc

[little plinth]

you will only need 8k 240 if the entire environment is rendered on the desktop

[lime pewter]

wasn't specifically with macbook anyway

[little plinth]

like on regular HMDs or Standalone via VD

[rustic garnet]

where did u get 8k240 from

[little plinth]

you mentioned that earlier

[rustic garnet]

No?

Never

[little plinth]

semantics, you said the 23 million pixels thing

[rustic garnet]

THAT'S NOT

omfg

[little plinth]

and yeah unless the mac takes up the entire fov it doesn't need much bandwidth

[rustic garnet]

8k is 36 megapixels

And afaik the refresh rate wasn't mentioned

But we can assume it's 90

[lime pewter]

my biggest issue is still just going to be the slow very casual controls dumbed down for the masses and no other options for anyone who actually needs it for work

[rustic garnet]

or maybe like 120 actually

The fov is also a mystery right?

[little plinth]

ah that 8k240 is probably from the other chats

and 8k has many form

[rustic garnet]

That's actually a stupid resolution like not even desktop gpus are capable of driving that in any actual 3d work

8k 16:9

[little plinth]

the vision pro is 8k horizontal

[rustic garnet]

well

They never said that

[little plinth]

you don't need to

they said 4k each eye

it's simple math

[rustic garnet]

No

Its not

They said the total pixel count is more than a 4k monitor per eye

Nothing about it's geometry

[little plinth]

it's still 8k total horizontal resolution

[rustic garnet]

It could be a circular display for all we know

No

it could be 4k horizontal and 4k vertical too

Or 5kx5k or whatever

[lime pewter]

can we at least agree about the eyes being shown when someone comes infront of you looks creepy?

[rustic garnet]

Yeah

[little plinth]

it's horizontal with both eyes

[rustic garnet]

Not necessarily

[little plinth]

it's not that hard to understand what i meant

[rustic garnet]

I understand what you mean but your interpretation is wrong

Whatever ill just wait for the ifixit teardown

[little plinth]

that's how total horizontal resolution is basically calculated on basically every HMD

horizontal res on one display times 2

[rustic garnet]

we don't know the exact revolution of anything!!!!

And if you say 8k or 4k that usually means the equivalent amount of pixels on a 16:9 monitor

2x4k is only half of 8k

4k is only 9mp

[little plinth]

i literally explicitly mention horizontal like

so many times

[lime pewter]

"The display system uses a microOLED backplane with pixels seven and a half microns wide, allowing for it to fit in 23 million pixels in total." Is all I am reading about resolution

[little plinth]

23m per eye

[rustic garnet]

U said 8k240

[lime pewter]

total, not per eye

[little plinth]

something accidentally brought from other chat

[lime pewter]

assuming it is two square displays, you could do the math on what resolution it could be

[rustic garnet]

yeah

3.4k squared

[lime pewter]

is 240hz even possible yet?

[rustic garnet]

Which makes the displays an inch squared at 7.2 microns per pixel

[lime pewter]

isn't highest right now like 4k144 or smth

[rustic garnet]

240 hz gaming monitors have been around for years

They're on like 500 hz now

[lime pewter]

1080p tho

[rustic garnet]

Oh

[lime pewter]

talking about with 4k and 8k

[rustic garnet]

i thought u meant panel technology

Probably not

[lime pewter]

meh, should've been more specific

I somehow remember 4k240 being a thing, but idk

probably with lots of compression

[rustic garnet]

Yeah that's where dp maxes out isn't it

[lime pewter]

anyway, I want to see them try again

even if it is touch controls on the side of the head or smth

[little plinth]

eh i believe it will work well anyway

not for our use case

[lime pewter]

neither for the use case they tried to target, unless your boss is fine with you taking longer to finish the job

[little plinth]

but work well

[rustic garnet]

Latest dp is 80 gbit

So

Whatever that works out to in pixels per second

[lime pewter]

as a device for meetings, it seems nice at least

the rest, either creepy (the eyes) or seems like it would be slow to navigate

[rustic garnet]

3.5k usd for a glorified webcam then

not really

a great selling point

imo

[lime pewter]

it does seem like the thing that works best on it tho

and what they talked about the most

[rustic garnet]

Idk

[lime pewter]

we'll see when it releases and people try it...

but that's what I got out of it, little to go off of

[rustic garnet]

I think the hardware platform is so ridiculously loaded that software people will probably find something fun to do with it

[lime pewter]

what I want to see most right now is just next iphone and apple watch...

the two things I would actually use

because well, I just use a phone as a portable messaging device, and apple watch has a few features I do want, but waiting for next release...

[little plinth]

after some math. only basing off the very limited info they give

3k horizontal res is a rough estimate

per eye

[rustic garnet]

I already did the math

[rustic garnet]

If u only use the phone for messaging why get a new one with all the exact same features

[lime pewter]

depends on if they do USB-C already

[rustic garnet]

Tru

[lime pewter]

I just want to know if they do it a year early or not

[rustic garnet]

They'll probably remove all the ports before giving in to usb c tbh

[lime pewter]

the requirement did say "everything charging with a cable needs to use USB-C" didn't it?

aka just remove the port and don't charge with cable

[rustic garnet]

yeahh...

very convenient timing w magsafe

[lime pewter]

I would probably get the new one anyway honestly...
I either pay 350 for the next, or pay the other half to keep my current (which is 320)

pay like 30 more with mobile subscription for new one

[rustic garnet]

https://twitter.com/dummwiesau/status/1665806212967874565

cclaire (@dummwiesau)

Level up your outdoor experience with Apple Vision Pro!

Twitter · Jun 5, 2023, 7:42 PM

[lime pewter]

I would never use AR glasses honestly...

looks too weird

by the time it looks normal, I am already the old one screaming about the young ones addicted to their screens

they try very hard to make it look normal but...

seeing the eyes on the vision pro?, creepy

AR sunglasses when there is no sun and can't really do well when there is sunlight?, weird
don't feel like being that guy wearing sunglasses when its raining because I feel like its cool

[rustic garnet]

yeahh i don't really belive ar will take off

not in glasses form anyway

there's some neat stuff on phones though like have you seen the google maps direction integration?

like, ar glasses are just gonna be a way for marketers to poison our fields of view every waking hour

[lime pewter]

most use I see for VR even is just being able to show large content without needing a huge TV

ofc VR gaming would be a thing but...
needs more mainstream uses
I want to see a VR headset thats actually meant to be used as a display

[lime pewter]

the most normal looking form for glasses I could imagine right now is weirdly enough those visors

if its literally just curved glass tho, so you can still see their entire face normally

[slate ore]

While your going deep into your pockets to see with Vision OS, don't forget your snorkel. You were blind but now you see ...

[zinc timber]

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/apples-vision-pro-hands-on-this-is-the-vr-headset-id-use-to-watch-3d-avatar/?utm_source=reddit.com
Seems to be promising

[weak bluff]

For consumers that does not exist

[turbid berry]

Is there any way to reduce shaking in VR? I'm using the quest 2 and I'm holding the controllers basically completely still, but my hands in game are shaking

[swift herald]

I'm not sure I see any abnormal tracking?

[harsh niche]

mine does that too but it's my hands

some kind of nerve thing

even when my hands are "still" they're kinda shaking

[weak bluff]

How are you suppose to port VR games with just those options

[warm stirrup]

It most likely won't have vr games, if anything It probably wouldn't be a good experience. It was not made for gaming

[weak bluff]

There is no full space app development yet

So even Virtual Desktop will be hard

[warm stirrup]

Yeah, as I said, not meant for that

[lime pewter]

yeah, its a 3500$ facetime/image viewing device

[zinc timber]

The obvious full immersion level?

Presumably if you wanted to port, say, beat saber, you could have the main menu in the 2d mode and expand to full 3d in game

[weak bluff]

I rather not

[warm stirrup]

If the apple headset doesn't fall into your use cases, just don't buy it. It falls into other people's tho and its really good at it to, I wouldn't shit on it for that reason. If you want to game in vr, buy a pcvr headset that's meant for that.

[weak bluff]

Obviously im not gonna buy it

No need to tell

Im extracing every possibility possible for research reason

[haughty thistle]

It's the first MR only device. It doesn't do true AR yet, and they clearly didn't intend this device to play VR at all

[warm stirrup]

Yeah, as it seems, it does MR really well

[weak bluff]

MR first, VR, AR second

I was expecting development tools to allow like VRChat to port their games

And Hideo Kojima getting paid to make games on it

[haughty thistle]

It remains to be seen whether this cheaper Varjo XR-3 competitor with less then half the GPU horses will fare on the market...

[weak bluff]

I dont think anything can compete at all because of the ecosystem

[haughty thistle]

But for now, it looks like it's what the Quest Pro should've been, but with no real software and lack of 6dof controllers

[weak bluff]

Its a $3499 iPad simulator machine

At least you can play VRChat in window mode

Assuming it release iOS

[zinc timber]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OFvXuyITwBI&feature=share8

Y'all are like console gamers asking why anyone would buy a MacBook if it's bad at games I swear

[weak bluff]

Its not bad at games just not worth making games for it

Unless you are Hideo Kojima

[zinc timber]

Huh, apparently it uses a custom facial interface

[warm stirrup]

Kinda like the beyond?

[zinc timber]

Apparently?

[warm stirrup]

That's interesting

[zinc timber]

Yeah, he says they use an iphone to scan your face for the interface

[lime pewter]

it is 3500$ facetime device

[zinc timber]

Hurr durr MacBook $2000 Facebook machine

[lime pewter]

considering this was about the only thing they showed that was properly usable

unless you don't mind risking getting fired for using a horribly inefficient control system for work

[zinc timber]

It is apparently insanely intuitive and fast, actually