virtual-reality

[paper granite]

I can get a 3090 for $1300aud, but the cheapest a 4090 is, $2800aud
It's a bit of a jump

[grizzled field]

yeah I've found ebay to be worse than facebook marketplace, I can usually find good deals there

why is it tho that an old card like the 1080ti still costs $250 on somewhere like newegg?

[burnt oasis]

better than 3060s price, costs a lot cuz it's not being made

[gloomy crater]

What would y'all say is more worth it:

Upgrading from the standard valve index HMD to the bigscreen beyond, or upgrading from a 27" 1440p 170hz IPS display to a 43" 4k 144hz Mini-LED display

Both are the same price, so I'm tryna choose. The index is still solid, but the glare gets annoying after a while and I'd prefer something less heavy. But for the monitor, visiting family members who have big fancy displays has made me realize just how painfully inadequate mine is. One upgrade only useful for VR, one only useful for flat screen gaming, difficult choice to make

[weak bluff]

Do you really need better monitor

For vr bigscreen is a great comfort upgrade so if you enjoy playing long it could make bigger mental difference

For monitor if you don't often use VR but also can you max out at 4K to maximize its worth

You also have plenty of time before Beyond is shipped

[gloomy crater]

So, I don't play as much VR as I used to because 1. My left controller stick is broken and I either have to resolder a new stick or buy a new controller, and 2. when I do finally decide to play beatsaber, the one VR game I own that doesn't require the left stick, I don't play for long periods of time specifically because of how heavy the headset is. I didn't used to think it was that bad, but after using my sister's Reverb G2 it became extremely noticeable and the bigscreen being as small as it is would be a godsend.

I'm looking for a job right now, so it's def possible I'll have enough money for both by the time the bigscreen ships, I'm just trying to decide whether I'd be okay not getting the bigscreen for a while because that $1000 monitor is currently on sale for $700

As for whether I can max out 4k, my GPU is a 6950XT so for pretty much everything I play except for Cyberpunk, I should be good

[minor goblet]

Ngl I have to give oculus support some credit

As they managed to get me a new rift s cable for free

Even though the thing is discontinued

And got it used from a mate

Cause the alternative is paying 150 for one off of Aliexpress

[zinc knoll]

Get the 1080ti no competition with the 2060 in VR or out.

[sullen linden]

What im scared of with the bigscreen is other headsets coming out that are better and cheaper

I dont want to dump a 1000 dollars to have it undercut with a better headset

[grizzled field]

yeah but I'd think the 2060 would be more powerful cuz it had a 20 before it instead of a 10, and everyone knows higher number means better

[zinc knoll]

Lmao

[grizzled field]

but seriously why is it that the 2060 is more expensive when the 1080ti outperforms it? You think they would price based off of performance

[zinc knoll]

Bc the 1080ti was cheap at launch, and prices only go down, plus the 2060 was the cheapest RTX card. And budget cards don't go down Nearly as much

1080ti was 2017, 2060 was 2018.

Or 2019 idrm

[grizzled field]

see if I was a GPU company I would release my series of cards, say the 12 series, and then when I released the 13 series I would drop the prices on the 12 series, and after a while stop making them and essentially clearance them. I doubt Nvidia's 40 series cards cost that much more to manufacture than the 30 series did, but they're like twice the price, if I made GPU's I would sell them marked up maybe a $100 more than it cost to make them

[zinc knoll]

Nvidia has gotten complacent, and the market is shitting on their sales.

[grizzled field]

oh shoot now I'm trying to figure out how I can start making GPU's lol

but if say, hypothetically, someone was trying to start a company that made GPU's where would they start?

[burnt oasis]

they would start as a large enough corporation which can actually afford to mass purchase the stuff needed to make the gpus at a decent price so that they are cheaper to make, therefore easier to price lower while still getting profit

intel is the best shot at a new gpu maker

plus there's probably a lot that goes into software development for the gpu as well

so need a sizeable team of people solely focused on the software as well

hence need a decently sized company to begin with

[burnt oasis]

this might be a high ball or low ball but starting with $100 million dollars would be a start

[zinc knoll]

Mmm I'd say a billion

1st gen would 100% be a loss unless you're a miracle worker and can do something perfect first try

[sullen linden]

The problem is that developing a GPU is very very difficult, and you dont get paid for R&D

You’ll spend the majority of time and money hiring very smart expensive people to create a system from the ground up, and because its from the ground up, it will most likely be bad on the first iteration (like intel gpus right now) and make no money

Plus, it will leave a bad taste in the consumer’s mouth

Not even mentioning software, the math alone would be headache inducing

[warm stirrup]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404290533408?_trkparms=ni_actn%3Anav|ni_nt%3AWATCH_ITEM_ENDING_SOON|ni_apos%3A1|ni_sg%3A1|ni_pos%3A1|ni_st%3ANEW|ni_wh%3A1|ni_nid%3A692095758932|ni_nsid%3A404290533408|ni_et%3A1685032882000|ni_bn%3A1&_trksid=p2380424.m570.l5997#readMoreDesc

Should I or is this too good to be true

I know it's a bid but like is it worth trying

[haughty thistle]

The cable doesn't look to be in the greatest shape (it's known that the Vive Cables don't like to be bent in very short radii, but this guy did exactly that). Other then that, some of the specs seem kinda sus. They listed a 3.5mm headphone jack and 120Hz Screen refresh rate, neither of which are true for the Vive Pro 1. The Pro 1 has only a USB-C port next to the main teather connector and it only runs at 90Hz...

Like... look at this 😬

[warm stirrup]

Is that replaceable (easily)

[haughty thistle]

It is, but a replacement would run you about 60 bucks, if it's even available in the Vive online store (often sold out)

[warm stirrup]

Yeah, but that would make the entire cost to 300 usd which is still really good, I'm usually seeing things like this for 450+ and it seems harder to find the 2.0 trackers with it

I don't mind having to buy a separate cable if it can be replaced easily

is there an aftermarket cable that is better quality than the official HTC cable?

[haughty thistle]

Nope

[warm stirrup]

damn that's kinda surprising

[haughty thistle]

Headsets that don't use USB-C for their main tether only have first-party options available. Their connectors are proprietary and thus require licensing to make...

So for pretty much everything except the OG Vive, the Gen3 Varjo headsets, XTAL headsets and all of the standalone Headsets only have first-party cables

[little plinth]

i wonder how quest 3 would turn out

i might just sell my pico 4 and get quest 3 if it's good

no more puny XR2 chip

[haughty thistle]

The sole exception to this rule is the TP-Cast Wireless adapter cable for the Rift CV1. To my knowledge the only third-party cable to ever ship with a proprietary VR HMD tether connector...

[warm stirrup]

that's annoying

[little plinth]

standalone ones have first-party cables only?

don't the quest 2 use USBC

[warm stirrup]

is the chance of a cable failure very high? are there any ways you can do to prevent it? (Like maybe having a pulley system for the cable)

[warm stirrup]

They said except

[little plinth]

oh i missed the except

[haughty thistle]

I listed the exceptions. Those where third-party options exist lol

[haughty thistle]

It's funny. A dying Vive Pro cable will first manifest as the Vive Facial Tracker or other high-bandwidth USB devices not working in the integrated USB-C port before you'll notice any other issues.
And no, a pully system will not prolong the lifespan of a cable. It'll actually hurt it's lifespan as you're putting it under a lot of stress at the point where it comes out of the cable clip at the back, similar to stepping on the cable and whipping your head away...

Cable failures generally aren't very high if you're just mindful of the cable

[warm stirrup]

The most active I'd get in VR is playing beat saber, I think I should be fine then

What are some things I should look for with the cable to verify that it is (probably) okay? I see that the ebay listing has a little dent in the cable probably from bending it, other than it being tangled, it looks fine to me but I obviously don't know

[haughty thistle]

It honestly looks pretty heavily kinked in one place

Like, really badly kinked...

Best you can do is get the thing and try it out. If you have issues with the connection, image errors or other weirdness, you may want to get a new cable...

[warm stirrup]

Ok, thanks for the help!

[gloomy crater]

I caved and bought the 4k monitor, the sale only lasted another day and it came with a $130 webcam for free (which I really needed to replace my $40 crappy current one) in addition to the $300 off sale price. So the bigscreen beyond will probably have to wait. Or not, it's possible I'll have enough money to cop one by the time they finally launch, we'll have to see

I just know I'm not gonna get anywhere until I fix my controller situation. I don't want to buy a new index controller this late in the production cycle, especially because I don't wanna feel stupid if the deckard comes out in the next two years and completely antiquates the normal index controllers. So I'll probably go all in and try soldering on a new switch, and if that doesn't work, I'll buy a brand new controller as a last resort. That's the plan at least

[weak bluff]

you expect 2 years

for a deckard

that is 2 years of using best controller not a bad investment

index controllers is antique but it is best in class

despite the age it is the flagship of all

[slate mulch]

Is there a way to play vr on the steam deck using a quest 2?

[weak bluff]

you should not

but if you insist better install windows

[slate mulch]

Oh

[weak bluff]

it will not run well you will vomit trying

[slate mulch]

Ok

That’s the only answer I need

My friend is letting me borrow his quest 2

And a different friend is gonna be buying me one in a few weeks

[jolly marsh]

Hi thinking on buying rift s as a first entrance to vr but some people have been advertising me that it isn't a good option any other options for 150€ max?

[haughty thistle]

For 150€ max it's kinda hard to beat, unless you can find like a Rift CV1 or OG Vive Kit for the same price. Both of those have lower resolution screens, but you should get a much better overall VR experience with those.
The Rift S has tons of issues, from the dreaded "Robot Mic" issue (where the mic randomly turns into a bunch of electrical noise), random loss of tracking, lack of physical IPD adjustment and the headset often overloading the power supply of USB controllers, I honestly don't think it's worth it, especially if other options are available...

Mind you, a lot of these issues (with the exception of the Robot Mic) also apply to the first generation of WMR headsets. Funnily enough the build quality between the Rift S and those WMR headsets is pretty similar. Cheap and flimsy...

[weak bluff]

Being first time VR is easier than upgrader

[jolly marsh]

Rift cv1 or vive kit have positional tracking, like safe zone and all of that?

[warm stirrup]

Does the original hp reverb fall into first gen WMR?

[jolly marsh]

Rift cv1 on second hand can be found for 130 in my country it is an option with future or it's better another option

@haughty thistle you on?

[haughty thistle]

Both the CV1 and OG Vive use external Tracking Stations.
In the case of the CV1, that's IR Cameras that need to be plugged into the PC. At least two of these need to have a USB 3.0 connection back to the PC.
In the case of the OG Vive, that's IR-Emitters than need to be plugged into a wall outlet. They run passively and can be used for a bunch of other VR hardware too. These should be mounted high up on a wall or ceiling tho, which the CV1 cameras don't necessarily need...

Overall if you want something future proof, or something that might save you money down the line, an OG Vive might be favorable, as it will easily integrate with Vive and Tundra Trackers for Fullbody Tracking, and it's the same tracking system used by some other newer PCVR headsets (like the Index, Vive Pro, Varjo, etc.). If none of that interests you however, the CV1 is probably the better option for today, as it comes with much better controllers

[haughty thistle]

What currency are we talking about? In Germany 130€ for a CV1 kit with HMD (the headset), a pair of controllers and a pair of cameras is a very good price. Last time I checked most sold for around 200-250€...

[jolly marsh]

130€ for it in Spain and I think is full kit

This is the full kit?

[shut torrent]

Best budget vr headset? Which has connectivity to steam?

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 is best value for now

if you want something more native used Rift CV1, HTC Vive or Rift S each have its pros and cons

[weak bluff]

yes but is that 3m cable?

bcuz that is quite short cable

[haughty thistle]

That's just the headset without the controllers 😬

[haughty thistle]

It's 4m actually

[weak bluff]

So the controllers in pic is not included?

[haughty thistle]

Oh, I'm dumb lol

I just saw the OG CV1 box and assumed it came without controllers lol

[jolly marsh]

Lol so it's the full pack?

[jolly marsh]

Yeah in the description it says 3m

Cable is interchangeable?

So what's better og vive or rift cv1?

[jolly marsh]

Just want something that just works great and can last another 5 years

[weak bluff]

Ah... Good luck with that

CV1 is great but once cable is damaged which its pretty easy to worn fast you won't find replacement that easy

But its cheap so maybe you may buy multiple of those in 5 year span

Finding replacement cable is near impossible

[haughty thistle]

Well, a replacement cable on it's own is very rare. You can ofc source one from other headsets, but who knows in what state those are in...

[jolly marsh]

But cable can be easily broken or it's something to be careful but not extra fragile?

[weak bluff]

It worns

Average users break it in years

You can try be very careful and it may last 5 years

Make sure no hungry dogs chew it

Because of how rare cable is it will cost more than the set itself so buy another used would be fine xd

[jolly marsh]

Well I will be careful but I want to enjoy them

[jolly marsh]

I have cats and the place where I want to play them doesn't have any door to prevent them from coming sooo

[grizzled field]

lol, I had a rabbit chew my ethernet cable once XD

[weak bluff]

Cable is most expensive guard it with best defence lol

[grizzled field]

and make sure no one brings bunnies inside lol

because it also chewed through a wired Xbox controller, and a power cord

[jolly marsh]

Lol same, my cat broke the Ethernet cable from my room had to change it

[grizzled field]

ethernet cables break so easy

[jolly marsh]

Found some oculus rift cv1 for 100-130€ gonna Talk to sellers and I will find some HTC vive

[grizzled field]

what specs are your PC?

[jolly marsh]

Rx6700xt, 32gb of ram, Ryzen 5 3600

[weak bluff]

You... Good.

[grizzled field]

NICCE

but why Rift cv1 instead of HP Reverb G2?

[weak bluff]

If you are new to VR CV1 is fine

Maybe after that you end up really likeit then your next upgrade will be bliss

[jolly marsh]

Saved a lot of money for this beast

[grizzled field]

yeah, I don't know what setup is like for the Reverb, but setting up the rift Cv1 is a pain

[jolly marsh]

Because only 150€ of budget and only 150€ and now no "wait till 300€ for quest 2 or anything like that"

[weak bluff]

Its fine the guide are made for stupid people too

[grizzled field]

the reverbs gotta be easier cuz you have internal tracking

not the stupid external camera's

[jolly marsh]

Just want to experience VR till I get bored or really attracted to save for quest 2

[weak bluff]

Rift CV1 have good comfort, OLED, and lowest latency I recommend it for beginners

[grizzled field]

but its so fuzzy

[grizzled field]

makes sense, in that case, go for the rift cv1, just know that not all headsets are that fuzzy, and it will be clearer with a better one

[weak bluff]

Its fine

Its not too hard

Easier than HTC Vive

Manuals are more user friendly too

[grizzled field]

yeah I guess, and after a few minutes in VR you stop noticing the fuzziness

[weak bluff]

You are overexaggerating the tracking is quality* if setup right

[grizzled field]

wait what? when I said fuzziness I was talking about vision not tracking lol, if you get the cameras right the tracking is fine

the screen is fuzzy

[weak bluff]

Oh you mean that

If its fuzzy maybe its manufacturer defect

[grizzled field]

yeah, its dull and fuzzy, compared to rift S

I don't know if the one I used had any defects, but it wasn't very clear compared to the Rift S, although it could have had something to do with the graphics card we were using, it was like the bare minimum that could possibly even run it

[jolly marsh]

is that bad or something?

[grizzled field]

its not great, after playing for a little bit you'll stop noticing it, the best way I can think of describing it is how your vision is kinda fuzzy when you've just woken up.

[jolly marsh]

well if its that bad lol, but text is readable and all no?

[haughty thistle]

External Tracking stations aren't stupid. Out of all the tracking systems, the one on the CV1 is the most responsive. Even still a good bit faster then Lighthouse!

[grizzled field]

ok maybe not stupid, but they are annoying

[jolly marsh]

so guys finally its better to stick to search rift cv1 packs or try to find og htc vive

[grizzled field]

yeah just get a rift

[haughty thistle]

I'd only go with an OG Vive if your plan is to upgrade to something in the same eco system down the line (like to an Index or Bigscreen Beyond). Otherwise, stick to the CV1

[grizzled field]

yeah text is readable, just don't plan on reading to much of it, or too small of a font XD

no VR novels got it? lol

[jolly marsh]

i dont think so, if i plan to upgrade to something better it will probably be some standalone vr like quest 2

[jolly marsh]

yeah lol

[grizzled field]

if you like VR you'll probably want to upgrade to the quest 2, but you should all around have a good experience with the cv1 especially since its you're first time, you'll probably be too immersed to even notice the morning vision effect

[jolly marsh]

yeah so full deep to cv1's I say

[rancid kestrel]

I do have a Vive and one of these days I would like to get a better headset, too bad Vive seems to be the only one with reasonable wireless.

[rancid kestrel]

Yoo a Queen pack!

$14 is pretty expensive though.

[rancid kestrel]

Beat Saber is ignoring my controllers and Steam VR can use them just fine.

I restarted Steam VR and now in BS it works but the LEDs on the controllers are flashing white.

Hrm, the touch pads and menu button don't work either.

And now BS can't see them anymore..

[grizzled field]

why dont you just mod it?

[rancid kestrel]

Because modding Beat Saber just causes issues.

Heck, it's broken right now I'm sure mods would just make it worse!

[tidal portal]

legacy installer for beatsaber <3

[little plinth]

my cpu so bad bruh the auto bitrate goes to 5mbps

need an upgrade badly

i need everything closed to leave just enough cpu for a decent experience

[gloomy crater]

I learned about BSLI recently and I haven't played the normal version at all since then. Staying on version 1.28 until some new feature comes out that forces me to update, because having to wait for mods to be fixed after every patch is infuriating

And playing without mods on beat saber is like playing gmod with no assets installed imo

[warm stirrup]

Can you use vive 1.0 trackers and 2.0 trackers simultaneously?

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah you should be able to.

[weak bluff]

You don't have hardware encoder?

[burnt oasis]

what cpu

[little plinth]

I got a 3060, transmit is where the problem is

2200G with a 3060
Still no funds to upgrade yet

[weak bluff]

that is a very poor cpu

[little plinth]

Hopefully i can get a 5600 and a new motherboard by july

[weak bluff]

but still it sounds like your bandwidth is heavily bottlenecked

assuming you use Quest 2

[little plinth]

Pico 4

Using the streaming assistant

Over USB 3.0 or ethernet if i wanna play on the bigger room

[haughty thistle]

💀

Pico Streaming Assistent heavily limits screen resolution between indistinguishable blur and just pixelated blur...

[little plinth]

Honestly i can't tell, and i don't wanna buy VD on pico store

Not just that it's pretty pricy i also don't wanna commit to pico ecosystem just yet

With quest 3 around the corner

[haughty thistle]

tbf the main menu on the Pico also seems to run at a quater of the HMD resolution...

(which is about the res the Streaming assistent tops out at)

[pallid canyon]

Finally got my Index

[haughty thistle]

Noice 👍

[grizzled field]

nice, but an index in 2023? isn't that a little outdated and overpriced?

[weak bluff]

Its still top heatset

Outdated but still quality

It ages very well

Just not as much as before especially $999

[haughty thistle]

Still, for 1k for everything it's still hard to beat. Every competitor beats it in maybe a few points, but none offer this unique blend of features and definetly not at this pricepoint...

[weak bluff]

As full kit best all rounder

Its worth investing even if you get bigscreen beyond for lighthouse and best controllers

[little plinth]

wait is it true that you can't look around with your eyes on fresnel lenses?

i just saw something about it

[weak bluff]

You can look within your FOV which no headset cover your full eye view

[little plinth]

i mean look around within the FOV without big image shit up

[weak bluff]

Yes if you have eye tracking for foveated rendering or no foveated rendering

As in

You can look around if you have those

[little plinth]

because i read in a comparison between pancake and fresnel lenses
being able to look around without having to move the head for focus

[weak bluff]

What?

[little plinth]

like the edge of the lenses

gets worse on fresnel

the image

compared to pancake

making you able to look around that area and still be in decent focus

[weak bluff]

I think its the opposite? Its a pancake lense issue

Its called chromatic aberration

[little plinth]

yeah i read that the edge clarity on pancake is better

which i guess is what it means by being able to look around with the eyes and still be in "focus"

[weak bluff]

The issue with fresnel lens is pincushion distortion

Which is like similar to those bend effect in camera

It can be fixed with software calibration

[burnt oasis]

i highly doubt that

if it could have been fixed then it would have been fixed years ago

pancake is just better, aside from the dimness and tendency to be smaller in fov

dimness has a workaround at least, fov though guess welll see how it evolves

[weak bluff]

Its fixed by distorting image to match your view

The rendering image

The solution literally look like this what are you doubing for

Its not perfect but its not an issue either

[haughty thistle]

I found the exact opposite to be true in my limited time with the Pico 4 lol
Yes, fresnell lenses tend to have worse edge clarity then other lens types, but a good fresnel lens (like in the Index) still beats out Pancake Optics in my experience. True edge-to-edge clarity you only get with optics that wrap around your eye balls, but second best are aspherics in my testing...

[little plinth]

Possibly pico's lower quality lense
Compared to high end pancake like quest pro it's miles

[haughty thistle]

Software calibration only accounts for lens distortion (both chromatic and geometry wise). A slight chromatic deviation will be picked up by the human visual system as a slightly out of focus image, even if it's fully in focus. The problem with edge-to-edge clarity is that you need to do a lot of optical trickery to get the whole flat screen into focus for your round eye balls. As you move your eyes, so does the distance between your pupil and the lens change, but even without moving, your focal plane will be more spherical shaped by the lens (optics can be really weird sometimes). Depending on the lens type you can work against this bending of your focal plane better or worse. Generally, aspheric optics tend to be the best in terms of not bending your focal plane and fresnel lenses tend to be the worst...

[jolly marsh]

hii found a quest 1 for 100euros but was planning on buying rift cv1 i attempt buying the quest 2 or waste a little bit more money on cv1 because of cable extensors and all of that?

[haughty thistle]

Wouldn't buy a Quest 1 these days. There's a good chance it'll become a paperweight soon. It'll stop getting updates by the end of the year, the SDK will stop supporting the headset by July (aka no more standalone game updates by then) and there are rumors that Meta might introduce a dedicated streaming client just for Quest, which'll likely not support the Q1 (as it'll be end of support by then)

[jolly marsh]

just planning on pcvr not interested in the standalone side because of its age

for that use better cv1 or quest 1

[haughty thistle]

That's why I mentioned the thing with the streaming client. You'll need the currently Oculus Software for PCVR, but it needs to be in sync with the HMD software. So if the Quest 1 is say 4-5 versions out of date, the PC software will stop working with the headset

And you cannot stop the PC software from updating btw

[jolly marsh]

but if the cv1 is still supported 7 years later by the oculus link why the og quest wouldn't do?

[haughty thistle]

A possible solution would be Virtual Desktop, but it requires the standalone software and the streamer to be on the same version, and I don't know if you can keep the PC streamer out of date with recently introduced checks that make sure you haven't pirated VD...

[haughty thistle]

The Quest is a different story as it isn't a PCVR headset. It's software needs to be in-sync with the PC software, while the CV1 doesn't really have a software. Technically the CV1 isn't supported anymore either, but it also doesn't have it's own dedicated software updates

[jolly marsh]

but that wouldn't be programmed obsolescence?

[haughty thistle]

Say your Quest is on v53. That means that the PC software also has to be on v53 or v54 (they added this one version discrepancy allowance like a year after the launch of Quest Link). But that's it. If you PC software is on v55, you need to update your Quest, and like I said, by the end of the year, there will be no more version updates for the Quest 1, and you can't stop the PC software from updating...

[jolly marsh]

even that with the cable link?

[haughty thistle]

Think of Phones. Tho in that case it's a bit more natural, as your apps will slowly stop working...

[haughty thistle]

Yup.

[jolly marsh]

meen wtf its like 30euros in savings and also better display and less headache

and i cant because of that

[haughty thistle]

Some people say you can continue to use the Quest 1 for PCVR, but with how Quest Link works and does version checks (at least last time I looked into that), I doubt that'll be a thing for long...

[jolly marsh]

but in theory quest 1 is really much superior to the rift cv1 no?

[weak bluff]

No its not in many ways

Quest compared to CV1 is not native, heavier and worse tracking

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 has better audio, better comfort, better tracking, and a higher screen refreshrate. To top it all off, it doesn't have any ugly artifacts from image compression

[weak bluff]

CV1 age really well

[haughty thistle]

Oh, and at least the Quest 1 has this issue where the mic pics up the speaker sound if you put it to a volume that you can actually hear stuff at (because it's just two speakers towards the front of the headset)... "fun"...

[jolly marsh]

well but in comparison of the tracking you dont need to do external tracking, cameras going to be a headache when i buy oculus rift cv1

[weak bluff]

Hey Quest 1 have 2 headphone jacks (lol)

[haughty thistle]

I'll tell you this much: the tracking cameras are much less of a headache then you think they are

You literally just place them on your desk, plug them in, and that's it

[weak bluff]

Quest 1 is about to live without health insurance in America

[jolly marsh]

in my case yes I have like a 7x7m play area

[haughty thistle]

You might have issues with inside-out tracking as well in a room that large tbh

[jolly marsh]

correction 5x5m

[jolly marsh]

in that case i can make it smaller but in cv1 is more difficult

[weak bluff]

You also will run at limited battery lifeline in that headset which have limited lifecycle and replacing it is hard

[jolly marsh]

well i can do it with the link cable

[weak bluff]

Its just worse quality but for that price...fine

[haughty thistle]

inside out needs a lot of detail in the room to track properly, and if your room is large, there's a good chance that the detail isn't good enough for a decent tracking quality...
What I mean by lots of room detail is stuff like furniture, stuff in/on that furniture, stuff on the wall, etc...

[weak bluff]

You eventually have to remove that spicy pillow buddy xd

[jolly marsh]

xd well yeah lol

[haughty thistle]

Just a question: that 5x5m, is that the size of the room, or the walkable area? I'm asking as it's that second one that matters for VR

[jolly marsh]

nah is the walkable area if i get out the table

i think so maybe im going crazy maybe its less than that

[weak bluff]

How long you going to use quest if you buy it

[jolly marsh]

i want it as first catch to vr if i really like it upgrade to a longer-lasting, better and more futureproof standalone and if not sell it or use it till its last battle and no more vr

im watching the oculus quest 1 status in the future and i think oculus is saying that airlink will be working in the near future

[weak bluff]

Where did they say that?

[jolly marsh]

watching this on an spanish-speaking channel im searching the og tweet

[weak bluff]

I can only add a reason to recommend Quest 1 over CV1 if they unlock the bootloader

[jolly marsh]

so better the cv1?

[weak bluff]

No

I still go for CV1

But if Meta allow unlocked bootloader in future that gives me good reason to get quest 1 instead

Its not guaranteed and less so when the person who unlocked Oculus Go no longer work for Meta

[jolly marsh]

And quest 1 does room wide tracking and cv1 does it with cameras and idk how good is it

I don't think oculus is going to deprecate the quest 1 with the link included it wouldn't be reasonable

[weak bluff]

CV1 tracking is the best no competition

Its limitation would be play area

Quest 1 have limits too but im not sure if like quest 2 have possibility to disable guardian for anywhere but i would not recommend it either

My biggest issue with Quest 1 is its not native meaning the quality depends on connectivity and the quality will go down really bad if you need to see any high bitrate streaming ie. Cherry blossom and that reason alone eliminates quest 1 for high detailed games

[jolly marsh]

But it's also with cable the quality will go down?

[jolly marsh]

And im not going to play high detailed just beat saber and not a lot

[weak bluff]

Cable is best case scenario but it does not make it native its just a stable streaming option the bottleneck you get is Quest 1 depends on encoding and decoding that native headse does not have to meaning your PC have to spend some GPU power to compress image and your headset have to spend to decompress it

None of this is a problem with native like CV1

And because you compress it degrades image quality

How much quality degrade depends on how much bitrate is needed like a highly detailed moving image

[jolly marsh]

Need to go later we continue

[weak bluff]

To understnad this you need to know difference between native and non native headsets

CV1 is a native headset meaning your GPU will render image and passit directly to your headset like. a monitor

Quest 1 is NOT a native headset meaning it has no capability to receive image from PC directly so the alternative method is via USB cable which cannot handle large data and does not connect to your GPU so it needs to compress images from your GPU (this decrease image quality but data will fit via USB and it can be decompressed later), send it via USB then decompress it with your headset CPU

The non native method adds latency, quality degradation, GPU usage but the plus is it can be used wirelessly cheapee and enables non native headset to be used for PC

Native one preserve what your PC render best and does not get performance penalty from compressing and decompressing but its either stuck with a cord or more expensive wireless solution which CV1 does not offer wireless

[haughty thistle]

Ohhh.... Beat Saber. Yeah, the compression adds latency, quite a bit in fact (around 50ms or so on the Quest 1; I belive the Quest 2 has a lower latency, but certainly still a lot more then a native headset). Because of the software guessing future movements based on high refresh IMUs, this latency is not that apparent when moving slowly, but with fast paced games like Beat Saber, it does become apparent as a sort of jello-effect on every controller movement you do. The controllers take a wider arch when you swing them very quickly, and fly further then you actually moved them when moving them quickly, all equating to not very precise control of your hands when moving them very fast; which in Beat Saber at higher level speeds can very easily mean not just missed cubes, but not being able to finish certain levels outright.
What is funny is that the CV1 is the exact opposite of that, being the most responsive in terms of hand and head movement and it all being very precise. I unfortunately don't know how precise exactly the CV1 tracking is, but from personal feel I'd say it's close to lighthouse, but not quite beating it. Lighthouse (aka what the OG Vive is using) is a bit more precise then the CV1, at a similar responsiveness. Just the Vive Wands with their mass mean it takes a bit more energy to get them moving...

[weak bluff]

Rift CV1 is (probably) best in class in latency https://twitter.com/palmerluckey/status/1581390194682449920?s=61&t=K5C0H0FSgqWLxTqGoptBrw

Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey)

Excellent paper on how to best measure and characterize motion-to-photon latency in VR headsets.

The original Oculus Rift has the lowest latency, which is vindicating and also sad more than six years later. Hard to improve on perfection.

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Twitter · Oct 15, 2022, 9:02 PM

Source from founder Palmer Luckey himself

[burnt oasis]

so for straight pcvr would cv1 be an upgrade from the quest 2?

[weak bluff]

That can be argued there are pros and cons but Quest 2 will have better value and other stuff you might care

And its less appealing if you are someone used to Quest 2 res bcuz CV1 will make you notice screendoor effect more

[burnt oasis]

such as? also i don't care about wireless

[burnt oasis]

yea that seems to be the only downside

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 also have same issues as Quest 1

Except it lasts longer with longer software update

[burnt oasis]

wait it's oled?

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 is LCD so thats another upgrade if you go CV1 which is OLED

[burnt oasis]

what about the rift s

[weak bluff]

LCD

[burnt oasis]

ew

[weak bluff]

Rift S have a curse of fixed IPD

And frequent report of broken cables

[burnt oasis]

wouldn't it be easier to run cv1 in pcvr over the quest 2

so more performance?

[weak bluff]

Yes indeed

[burnt oasis]

hmm

[weak bluff]

I would downgrade to CV1 if i go competitive

In vr esport competitions pro players use Rift CV1

[burnt oasis]

and it has headphones

well im not going esport

i just want visual quality and comfort mostly

[weak bluff]

It can improve beat saber score

[burnt oasis]

play lots of graphically modded skyrim vr

[weak bluff]

Quest 1 is OLED

[burnt oasis]

it doesn't seem worth it overall though

[burnt oasis]

but doesn't it have other issues over the quest 2

[weak bluff]

Yes like software ending soon and weaker cpu hut cpu wont matter if there is no software

Its also heavier

[burnt oasis]

damn

then nevermind

there's no attainable solid headset currently ig for me

really don't want lcd

[weak bluff]

Quest 1 also have worse controller but this probably barely matter

[burnt oasis]

and definitely want native cable

[weak bluff]

Yeah but rift CV1 also have risk of no replacement cable

[burnt oasis]

and really don't want fresnel again

so i guess

[weak bluff]

Quest cable is really easy to find replacement but if you break CV1 then might as well buy new headset

[burnt oasis]

the beyond and headsets beyond that lol

[weak bluff]

All quest and Rift headset use fresnel lens

Except Quest pro

[burnt oasis]

are there any oled headsets that don't use fresnel for under $1000?

the beyond does seem like a great choice though

looks so comfy

[weak bluff]

Buying beyond will require you to buy lighhouse and controller separate

[burnt oasis]

will probably feel like when i upgraded from airpod 1st gen and my old cheap in ear earbuds to airpods pro's where you can choose the side of ear tip you want and the earbud fits so nicely

[weak bluff]

Unfortunately no on PCVR pancake is really new

[burnt oasis]

i forget it's there unless i'm directly laying on my ear

[burnt oasis]

ik so a $1600 minimum

[weak bluff]

Minimum you can buy used HTC vive full kit then swap with beyond that will be $1200 but cmon if you can afford that much go $1600 lol

[burnt oasis]

fr

[weak bluff]

If you are new to vr cheap PCVR is fine

[burnt oasis]

plus don't vive controllers suck

[weak bluff]

Really suck

[burnt oasis]

nah i've had vr for almost 2 years now

and i want to work with vr related stuff

whether it be software or games

[weak bluff]

What do you have

[burnt oasis]

or even hardware

[burnt oasis]

just q2 and low-mid range pc

6650xt and 5600, though i plan on upgrading once i find some work to do

[weak bluff]

Upgrade pc instead lol

[burnt oasis]

im going to

gonna probably start out chespish

cuz it will take a long time to fully upgrade

and i can use the cheaper components i buy for another pc

[weak bluff]

We are not upgrading anytime soon with current GPU storm lol

[burnt oasis]

im thinking 6800xt unless it's not good with the quest 2

is amd fine with quest 2 link? i've had no issues personally but im not sure if i'm missing out on performance by going amd

cuz of the encoding

[weak bluff]

You are using one no? To an extend.

[burnt oasis]

?

[weak bluff]

It really suck looking at high bitrate requirement games

[burnt oasis]

so go nvidia?

[weak bluff]

You have 6650XT?

[burnt oasis]

yea

ik it has low memory bandwidth and vram

[weak bluff]

So you know quest 2 link is like

[burnt oasis]

i max out at 2000x 2000

[burnt oasis]

yea, it runs relatively smooth for me

[weak bluff]

Then its obvious better card will run better

[burnt oasis]

like 40-70fps

[burnt oasis]

ik that im just asking should i go nvidia or amd performance wise

6800xt or 3080 10gb

actually

6800 non xt since it's $370

[weak bluff]

I definitely had better experience on Nvidia but AMD have compromise I can tolerate

Like that stupid time driver break my game

[burnt oasis]

it runs fine for me so i guess 6800 it is

i'll get a used one

[burnt oasis]

ive only used amd cards

i've had a decent experience except with the 580 and steaming games with it

but also my 3600 could've been the issue too

[weak bluff]

AMD is fine except some cases but for development it should be no problem

[burnt oasis]

would be a temporary upgrade

will go used 6800 and sell my 6650xt

well i'll sell my 6650xt first

i still have my old 580 so when waiting for the 6800 i'll have to go back to 1080p medium lol

[weak bluff]

If you need more performance

Sure

I have 6600XT but if i upgrade i would upgrade my CPU instead

[burnt oasis]

then i'll save up for 7800x3d mobo and ram, i guess since getting the other components would be another like $2000for psu case and storage and a 4090, i'll just put it inside my current build so i'll have a good upgrade while i save up for the rest for a few months

6800 and 7800x3d should be plenty for a quest 2 resolution

x3d cuz vrchat is so cache heavy

[weak bluff]

You should see what you need instead like if you develop will you need to push more CPU or GPU

[burnt oasis]

game development seems to be more gpu intensive

well intense on both

but an 8 core is plenty for the job

[weak bluff]

Not always most VR development are indie nowadays and those surprisingly dont have high requirement

[burnt oasis]

yea ik that

maybe ue5 will be more demanding?

[weak bluff]

Except for me I play Unity VR games that is very CPU intensive

[burnt oasis]

only unity game i play is vrchat

[weak bluff]

UE5 then you need both cpu and gpu if you plan to go like Unrecorded level of game

[burnt oasis]

also x3d cpus dominate in unity games since they love cache

[weak bluff]

Yes

And if you aim at least nice VRChat graphic then its still not too much

[burnt oasis]

4090 is for the big screen behind

beyond

but honestly by the time i get the money for that too

[weak bluff]

Money is not a problem if you buy both of those

[burnt oasis]

there will hopefully be something better for cheaper or around the same price

[haughty thistle]

I run a 3090 on a Varjo Aero (which defo has more pixels to run then the beyond). I think a 3080 would be fine for the Beyond...

[burnt oasis]

running resolutions isn't an issue, it's the games you run on it after all

but you make a good point

[haughty thistle]

VRChat, ETS2 & ATS, Beat Saber, Audio Trip, RagnaRock...

[burnt oasis]

a 6800 should be able to run modded skyrim vr on a beyond somewhat decently

[haughty thistle]

I think ETS2 out of all of these is the most demanding. Just goes to show what happens if you take a 10 year old game engine and just sprinkle some modern shading on top...

[burnt oasis]

what are your frames in that game

a 6800 is a lot of gpu, so i think it would be wiser for me to upgrade my vr setup before upgrading the gpu to something higher then that

but also

[haughty thistle]

Depends on the amounts of traffic and whether or not it's raining. On an open road with little traffic I think I get between 60-80fps on the Aero. In a city with lots of traffic and rain it's between 20-30 fps...

[burnt oasis]

maybe a 6800xt if it's only around $50 more

but idk if my psu can handle that wattage

it's a 750w c tier

[haughty thistle]

I honestly don't know where you got that rating from. All I know is mine is an 850W Seasonic Focus+ Platinum, and it handles a 3090 + 5900X just fine...

[weak bluff]

I have A tier 650W with 12400F and 6600XT and spare enough for 3080

[burnt oasis]

there's a psu tier list

my psu falls under the c category

[weak bluff]

It is fine... I guess?

[burnt oasis]

should be fine but idk about those transients

[weak bluff]

I used to have D tier running i3 9100F and RX 580 even tho the tier dont recommend gpu

That same PC psu list downgraded to F tier i think now and my sis use it now and it chnaged to 1050Ti

Maybe it's a matter of time

But if i were you i would just not upgrade

6650XT should be fine I use my 6600 XT on UE5 for a year now just not in VR

Yes the minimum requirement is RTX 2080Ti but I don't make AAA games to reach that ever

Unless you make something like atleast Valley of the ancient demo its enough

[jolly marsh]

In that case the value of quest 2 can be the same on quest 1?

[weak bluff]

For PCVR no because Quest 2 get active software support

Standalone neither

Quest 2 standalone is alive and well andsoftware keeps improving

[jolly marsh]

But cv1 doesn't get active software support both are on same terms

[weak bluff]

Because CV1 does not depend on software to work on PC

Quest needs software update to be compatible with PC

CV1 is native works plug and play and without Oculus software there are still ways around it

[jolly marsh]

Not searching standalone in the case that I buy a quest 1 for that reason

[weak bluff]

Then it comes with all of issues i mentioned about non native headset

[weak bluff]

Here

You can buy either and I'm not going to oppose it

[jolly marsh]

Yeah I read that

But honestly for a guy that is starting on VR what's the best value/experience overall?

[weak bluff]

Maybe shake 8 ball lol

[haughty thistle]

With your budget being less then a Quest 2, I'd stick by the CV1 tbh

[weak bluff]

Me too

It will last longer too assuming cable survives

[jolly marsh]

Ok ty guys this chat is saving my life on doing an educated buy

[burnt oasis]

assuming you have a pc, the cv1

[grizzled field]

so I've heard in the past that Linux and VR don't mix, but what exactly is the problem with it? What does Linux do, or not do, that windows does better for VR?

or is it just no one has developed anything for Linux and VR compatibility because both are kind of niche?

[haughty thistle]

Just the lack of driver software, and the software that is available is basically stuck in the early days of VR, when everything was still very prototype-y and jank, and half the settings didn't even work...

Stuff like AST is flat-out not implemented on Linux, making the experience extremely stuttery. Even if the headset works in SteamVR (like say, the Index), some parts of it often don't work, like the passthrough camera and the mic. Certain dialogs straight up don't open, like the controller pairing dialog, desktop control in the dashboard is absolutely borked (depending on your Window Server and DE, it's broken in different ways; but that's just because of how that stuff works in Linux), and the amount of devices SteamVR can talk to at a time is limited to one line in the SteamVR window. So besides the HMD that's 2 controllers and with 2 lighthouses 2 trackers and with 4 lighthouses no trackers...

And this is SteamVR. Basically the only VR compositor that is currently ported to Linux. Meaning only hardware that works natively in SteamVR will work. Well, and anything that can work with ALVR, as it's desktop streamer was also ported to Linux. But knowing the janky-ness off SteamVR alone, and previously bad personal experience with ALVR, I can only assume that to be even more Jank...

[grizzled field]

that sucks, I hope there'll be more VR integration in Linux, especially as it gets more popular for gaming. Although are you sure that there hasn't been any community fixes? Imma check github

XD this is hilarious, on reddit they say that only AMD cards actually work with VR on Linux

[haughty thistle]

That's not true. I've tried it personally on my 3090 lol

[grizzled field]

how did it do?

was it completely trash or decentt?

[haughty thistle]

I literally just explained all the issues I had lol

[grizzled field]

XD I just skimmed through that, didn't realize they were your personal issues, thats a frikkin long message

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, I tried it with my Index. Only ever tried ALVR on Windows

[cedar belfry]

me when 2:20 AM vibro

[weak bluff]

Other than compatibility im more fred about DRM

[burnt oasis]

bro i want get a 7900x now

$349 for 7900x and 10ns 32gb ddr5

bundle

crazy microcenter

also 863 for open box taichi xtx

[weak bluff]

If you dont need it dont buy it

Dont buy radeon 7000 GPU for VR they run same or worse than 6000 and the issue is still not fixed

[gloomy crater]

Asrock is my jam, but I've never liked the taichi cards

Wait 800 for an xtx?? Good lord, that's like a $1500 card. But as menaced said, they have VR issues, which is why I'm sticking with my 6950XT for a few gens

[little plinth]

7900x the CPU

And yes RDNA 3 is more problematic

[weak bluff]

yes if you dont need it don't buy it

you are already in AM4 maybe look for 5800X3D deal is better for you

[little plinth]

is ALVR pretty good compared to VD
i mean ALVR is free

if it's better than streaming assistant might as well

[weak bluff]

Nothing beats VD in quality but ALVR works if you want to try

[little plinth]

as long as it's better than streaming assistant and lighter
might as well save 20 bucks

[patent flume]

What is a good cable for the quest 2 that’s 10 ft or longer

[haughty thistle]

You'd want something that's 5m (16ft in American) or longer for VR. You can't do anything wrong with the official Link cable, but if you want to save a buck and go with a copper based cable instead, you can instead buy something like the Kiwi Design Link cable.
Another alternative is to get a super short (has to be less then a meter!) USB 3.0 C to A cable and a USB 3.0 A to A extension cable. Really, as long as it's a decently long 3.0 compliant USB cable, you should be fine for wired Quest Link

[little plinth]

Lol i used to use a 2m/6.5ft USB3 cable. it was good enough for stationary use, the fact that my PC's front USB port is almost eye level helps. But now i use a 32ft Cat 7 Ethernet, the freedom of movement is awesome.

[neat comet]

is pcie gen 4 still an issue with 30 series cards? im upgrading to my 5800x soon on a b550. it was around 2 years ago i heard switching to gen 3 would solve steamvr framedrops and bluescreen issues using vr on a 30 series. jw if its still an issue, or if its been resolved.

[little plinth]

gen 3 is never an issue on 30 series

[neat comet]

finally, currently using an old i7 4790, and the gaming experience is almost cpu bottleneck across the board, the forest gets the closest.

[little plinth]

it's only a major issue on AMD RX 6500xt and 6400

[neat comet]

has it been solved for the 30 series? it was a nvidia driver issue at the time, rolling back would fix it.

and gen 3 isnt the issue, gen 4 was, gen 3 was the solution for most

[little plinth]

i am not aware if 30 series even have these issues at all

[neat comet]

ahhh, i heard it alot when looking up solutions to reduce certain games cpu usages.

might as well test gen 4 and gen 3 and see if theres a difference. heard it reduced framerate so many times.

driver incompatibility issue early in the cycle tho, so who knows

[little plinth]

it's nvidia's driver overhead

it puts more CPU load than AMD drivers
though not by a huge amount, but can be an issue

[neat comet]

tons of games, but the majority vrchat.

which would be a problem if i bluescreen and stutter lol

worth a shot to just try gen 4 first, even if it causes vr issues, gen 3 loses you virtually nothing at all

[little plinth]

tho i don't really know what you're experiencing, because my 3060 is running on a 2200G which is slower than your 4790 and doesn't experience those issues

[neat comet]

ahhh, well if its slower then its definately not supporting the gpu fully in vr atleast. so dunno

[weak bluff]

That solution makes no sense just keep PCI-E 4.0

Update BIOS

[neat comet]

it was a nvidia driver issue actually

[weak bluff]

It can also be AMD issue with USB drivers

[neat comet]

and you know how both companies are about fixing issues promptly. anyways, probably wont. jw if it was still an issue currently.

the other solution was to rollback the gpu driver at the time.

and it didnt make any sense, it was specifically a vr issue on any headset, not just usbc. but anyways, since noone knows what im talking about im assuming its been resolved

[weak bluff]

Since you upgraded did you reinstall windows as well

[little plinth]

what headset do you use though

[neat comet]

got a 3070 ti for 400 dollars new, founders on ebay. great deal, looks like a pretty rare card for some reason.... probably one of those cards where the price didnt make sense at the time

quest 2 link

wired

[little plinth]

try using virtual desktop

[neat comet]

dont have a problem yet, but i saw it prevelantly while looking up solutions to cpu overhead for lots of games. was just wondering if it was still a common issue with 30 series or solved lol

wired is the best im gonna get for latency and bandwidth, so cant use vd

[weak bluff]

CPU overhead is an issue when CPU is too weak but 5800 is not that bottlenecked compared to your gpu

[neat comet]

yea, 4790 is serverely bottlenecked in virtually every title ive played

disabling threaded optimization and asw doubled my framerate on my potato

[little plinth]

i read virtual desktop can get working with a USB Cable
even if not you can use ethernet adapter

like what i do

[neat comet]

i think that was with a pico, but ive asked the devs in discord and they said no atleast for the quest 2

[little plinth]

though i use ALVR instead of virtual desktop cause free

[neat comet]

a completely stable 960 is a tough ask over wireless rip

[little plinth]

oh yeah quest 2 can't enable USB tethering

that's actually quite lame

[neat comet]

yep, you either got wired link or wired link

probably something to do with facebook wanting to lock down everything they can keep people out of atleast hardware wise. although airlink isnt hardwired so im assuming that was a matter of cracking the encryption or something.

[little plinth]

ethernet adapter will work

that's what i use

really low latency

[neat comet]

yea, link is fine, i would like wireless, but i typically play for WAY longer in vrchat than wireless would afford, and if im sitting no reason to be wireless

[weak bluff]

Did you reinstall windows after upgrading to amd

[neat comet]

4 hours etc with a bobostrap aint enough lol

i havent yet i said, waiting for parts. just that it was a prevelant issue i was wondering about

[little plinth]

bobostrap is meh
i just chug a 10000mAh battery on a small fanny pack and use that

[neat comet]

better to know first than wonder later

[little plinth]

from 2 hours to long enough my eyes can't do it

[neat comet]

i suppose that works too, with my new setup i might get into that, buy 2 extra bobo packs and a charge bank so i can get 10 or so hours

currently no point getting my wifi situation sorted

[little plinth]

Though i can't use my battery pack when on PCVR because only one usb port and I'd need a usb hub with PD

So 2 hours with 1 hour down time inbetween

I guess that's good for my eyes

[neat comet]

but if its wireless wouldnt that port be free?

[little plinth]

Yes but i don't have a proper 5ghz wifi 6 router

[neat comet]

got that bluelight filter on my glasses, huge contrast compared to specific contacts i have to wear that dont come in my prescription. HUGE difference in eye strain. none id say, even if im exhausted.

used to get eyestrain just by watching tv falling asleep. not perfect, but that fatigue doesnt come even close to as fast

[little plinth]

I would need a hub with USB C PD Input right

To charge

And use ethernet

At the same time

[cedar belfry]

flex

[little plinth]

i wanna get an index controller
can i use it with steam vr with my pico 4

oh yea i need a lighthouse fuck

seems like my pico 4 lasts 2 hours from 100% to 15% (OTG disabled if lower means no ethernet)
pretty decent i guess but my USB adapter with PD should arrive tommorow

and finally i can use a battery

[weak bluff]

Index + lighthouse+ SteamVR yes

My trick for this is to find cheap cheap used HTC Vive that comes with lighhouse and use that

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Sometimes getting an OG Vive kit is cheaper then to get just the two lighthouses. A pair of those should cost around 300 bucks, but an OG Vive kit can sometimes be had for less then 250...

[little plinth]

the final price would be more than the pico 4 itself

[rustic garnet]

Get a generic cable protector, sure it makes the cable more clunky but it's pretty much indestructible now

[weak bluff]

you want cheap finger tracking then go DIY LucasVR glove

if you spend the effort it can be as low as $60

[weak bluff]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-28/meta-quest-3-real-life-hands-on-how-it-compares-to-apple-mixed-reality-headset-li7h3suy

Did Bloomberg just leaked Quest 3???

[haughty thistle]

It's an open-secret at this point that Q3 is going to release this year. When exactly is still up for debate, but it's very likely it'll get announced at the Meta Gaming Showcase on June 1st...

[weak bluff]

Im just surprised information about someone having it is out there

Like there is no NDA about keeping secret

[jolly marsh]

something like this you say?

[jolly marsh]

and taping all the cable in electrical tape wouldn't be cheaper? just want to cheap on everything that's not principal, got very limited budget

[haughty thistle]

Electrical tape doesn't offer anywhere near as much protection as such a cable sleeve

Just make sure that if you use such a sleeve, that you also feed it around the cable where it goes through the cable clip in the back, as that's the point where it usually experiences the most stress

[jolly marsh]

what would be the cheapest option? never needed to armor a cable like its going on a war tank xd

[jolly marsh]

that thing is that gets the most stress? i didn't knew it lol thought it was on the hmd side or the ports

[haughty thistle]

With the CV1, yes, it's the part with the cable clip. That's because when you put on or off the headset, you pull the main unit away from your face, extending the strap by it's internal springs. As a result, the cable get's pulled through the clip, and as you take your head out of the strap, the springs retract again, the cable being pushed through that clip again. It's why you see a lot of CV1s with broken cables these days (well that, and pully systems which also add a lot of stress in the same area where the cable comes out the clip in the back)

[jolly marsh]

oh so i gotta be careful with that clip

[rustic garnet]

I used velcro ties around the strap instead because the stock clip was too small with the protector on

[rustic garnet]

also it's a particularly tight bend radius which the cable sleeve prevents by being physically stiffer

Here's what my setup looks like

[haughty thistle]

Just keep in mind that the fabric triangle on the back contains a couple of tracking LEDs. It's probably fine for tracking if you block a few of those, but I'm just mentioning it in case you didn't know

[rustic garnet]

No i know, actually I've been thinking about how they can do that when their position isn't fixed relative to the front half

[jolly marsh]

those are rift cv1's?

[rustic garnet]

Yeah

[jolly marsh]

and what's that cable sleeve?

[jolly marsh]

for how long have you had those?

[rustic garnet]

It's like a long plastic spiral i don't recommend it

It was hell to put on because i had to like twist it on all the 4 meters

[jolly marsh]

well yeah have these for my mic arm, headache to put but worth it

[rustic garnet]

I got these second hand but they came in an original box so it's gotta be from like 2017

Idk how heavily the original owner used it though

[jolly marsh]

when did you but those second hand?

[rustic garnet]

In ummmmm 2021? Or so?

Or maybe 2020

Oh yeah 2020

[jolly marsh]

and how has been the experience with it?

[rustic garnet]

Great

I still don't think there's anything worth upgrading to except the indec

index

Like they just hit it out the park

[jolly marsh]

price to performance over the roof no?

[rustic garnet]

The comfort, the optics, the sound,

THE CONTROLLERS!!!

[rustic garnet]

Hm?

Do you mean the indec

x

[jolly marsh]

no the cv1

[rustic garnet]

What

[jolly marsh]

well nevermind lol

[rustic garnet]

It's a very good price for the performance

[jolly marsh]

for how much have you bought those if you remember?

[rustic garnet]

About as much as you're buying them for I think

except in SEK

[jolly marsh]

130-150euros?

[rustic garnet]

Something like that

Also read this blog series before you set it up https://www.meta.com/en-gb/blog/quest/oculus-roomscale-tips-for-setting-up-a-killer-vr-room/

[jolly marsh]

well that when i get them but thanks

says that sound is completely broken but can be worth it no?

@rustic garnet

[rustic garnet]

I'd rather get the ones with working sound tbh

[jolly marsh]

yeah but 30 euros or 50 euros of difference

[rustic garnet]

I guess if you have a pair of headphones already

[jolly marsh]

nah these ones had survived a war lol

[rustic garnet]

holy shit

[jolly marsh]

lol a complete war

[jolly marsh]

bro wth these are "completely new"

wait the screenshot

xd

[warm stirrup]

When they follow a quest 2 tutorial on how to replace the strap

[vagrant yew]

does anyone know a alternative for the index replacement tether thats not 129$ ?

[weak bluff]

You are out of luck

[warm stirrup]

Man I'm prayin' for Valve to not have durability issues with the new vr headset

[weak bluff]

VR headset don't have durability issue

but the cable does

[gloomy crater]

They could axe 98% of durability related RMAs on their next headset by just using a single USBC cable instead of the trident cable on the current index (or going wireless) and using hall effect sensors for their sticks

And also reinforcing that dumb cable retaining thing that always breaks off if you don't preemptively tape it

[haughty thistle]

I saw earlier the mention of a CV1 with broken sound: DO NOT BUY THESE.
There's a small flex PCB in the strap that connects the rear tracking LEDs and both headphones to the main body. This one can snap if you often yank off the HMD often, so it's an indicator for an abused HMD. There's no other ports on the headset either, so if that cable is broken, that's it, no more sound. I know a friend of mine did what he calls the "wire sound mod", but it requires some exceptionally thin audio-grade cables, a soldering iron and a very steady hand (as you'll basically solder a bridge for the headphones onto that flex PCB; one wrong move and you'll basically vaporize it), but I wouldn't recommend it (unless you're super experienced in soldering to very fragile ribbon cables)

[little plinth]

Yeah this will do lmao

Solved the charging thing with that adapter on the front too

Total spent probably 40 bucks for the network switch, cable, the ethernet adapter, and the USB C splitter.

At 40 bucks i could probably just gotten the Tplink archer C80 and not deal with these wires but the performance is better currently

[weak bluff]

pls test if it can actually hit the bandwidth some bad adapter have very poor quality converter

this adapter looks same as the cheapest i can find on aliexpress and it only goes 100Mbps

[little plinth]

It's a 144mbps adapter

It's like $7

And right now I'm limited to 70mbps due to CPU Constraint anyway

[weak bluff]

play the game and open task manager see if CPU is at 100%

[little plinth]

It's a 2200G and yes it's 100%

[jolly marsh]

if sounds breaks the rear tracking leds also? or i understood wrong

[jolly marsh]

and yeah that hmd has had some heavy or abuse, just looking on the finish of the controllers lol

[haughty thistle]

Yup. You understood that correctly. The rear tracking LEDs and headphones are on the same ribbon

[jolly marsh]

well i can ask the seller to connect the hmd and record it to see if that leds are on

[jolly marsh]

what would be a good price for this hmd

[haughty thistle]

The LEDs are IR, so you can only see them using a phone camera

[jolly marsh]

ik that's why i want it recorded lol

[jolly marsh]

it says that all it's good except audio and included a washable cover

[haughty thistle]

If the seller already said audio is broken then it already is. No need to verify

[jolly marsh]

yeah but maybe audio isn't working but read leds yes

[haughty thistle]

You want the audio. Like I said, I don't recommend the repair unless you're very familiar with a soldering iron

And no, if the audio breaks, so do the LEDs. They're on the same ribbon like I mentioned earlier

[jolly marsh]

bluetooth headphones

[jolly marsh]

there's no way that audio is broken but leds are good?

[haughty thistle]

Nope

And I wouldn't recommend bluetooth headphones. The latency (at best around 150ms for high end Bt5 headphones, at worst over 300ms) becomes very noticeable while gaming

[little plinth]

vouch

i got a bluetooth earbuds and the latency is so shit

SBC bluetooth is like 200+ms

[haughty thistle]

It's not the codec. It's Bluetooth itself

[little plinth]

that's just wrong, it is the codec

bluetooth on apt-x codec is very low latency

like 40ms and under

[haughty thistle]

200+ms is for everything that's Bt4 and older

Even normal AptX has a latency of around 200ms

[jolly marsh]

have been using bluetooth headphones for gaming in the last year and it hasn't been so bad maybe my headphones are better or just i dont notice latency

[jolly marsh]

using them rn lol

[haughty thistle]

You're thinking of AptX LL (low latency) which does go down to around 40ms, but it achieves that by bypassing the bluetooth stack and taking full control of the transmitting antenna

[little plinth]

so use that one?

a decent bluetooth headphone will have it

[lime pewter]

if only those with good sound exist...

[haughty thistle]

Requires a dedicated transmitter, which can be kinda expensive. One of the cheaper options (the Fiio BTA30) starts at 80€...

Plus, the headphones also have to support it, which barely any do

[lime pewter]

barely any good BT headphones exist anyway

[little plinth]

you kinda don't have much option with the broken audio

you can probably run a comically long aux cable to the pc itself

[jolly marsh]

just use bt or 2.4ghz headphones they dont work that bad

[lime pewter]

just terrible sound, cuz gaming likes to go for muddy and bloated af

[little plinth]

soundcore p10

[haughty thistle]

Well, he does. He hasn't bought the thing, and frankly, I would suggest not buying anything broken, unless you plan on fixing it. If it's already partly broken, who knows what else is already damaged and just about to go out...

[jolly marsh]

nah with cheap headphones yes but something decent no

[little plinth]

what is his budget

[lime pewter]

there are like 1 or 2 wireless gaming headsets that aren't horrible, lel

a few more for just BT, but that's still little

[jolly marsh]

not going to them unless i get them for 80 euros or less, got another for 130 practically new

[haughty thistle]

"something decent". Well, if you consider pricy stuff as "decent" then you'rew sorely mistaken. Take the Sony WH-1000XM line. All super boomy with kinda poopy top-end...

[lime pewter]

Bose QC line, N700NC(M2) is balanced at least

[haughty thistle]

The... go with the one for 130..? I feel like you're trying to bargain here with me, even tho I'm not selling the thing to you...

[jolly marsh]

have the edifier W820NB and they haven't been bad for this last year and i haven't tried the high quality stuff also so idk what's the top end

[lime pewter]

basically the only two I would take...
N700NCM2 if I wanted great sound with fine ANC
bose QC if I wanted great ANC with fine sound
basically all that exists tho... would look at in ear for more wireless options

[jolly marsh]

nah we were just talking about that and why not to buy them just trying to have different options (cheap, expensive, middle point) not trying anything lol

[jolly marsh]

thinking on buying sony xm4 next year, what do you guys think (to use on all places, school, home, vr obviously lol, car...)

[lime pewter]

would take the QC45 or momentum 4s over it myself

[haughty thistle]

Literally just mentioned how poopy their sound is lol

Take the Sony WH-1000XM line. All super boomy with kinda poopy top-end

[lime pewter]

or N700NC if ANC doesn't matter much

[jolly marsh]

yes or yes they need to have active noise cancelling, got really used to it

[jolly marsh]

sorry didn't read that

[haughty thistle]

Sony's got great ANC, but that's where the praise ends. Even their touchpad is horrendously bad. I've had bargain bin headphones with a better touch interface then those lol (It's extremely unresponsive on the Sonys)

[lime pewter]

they all have ANC, QC45 has still very very good ANC, momentum 4 a bit less

and N700NCM2 isn't for ANC honestly

pretty mediocre

all budget went to sound

honestly best sounding out of the bunch while cheapest tho

[jolly marsh]

well idk that's for next year, maybe some new headphones release that suit the best to my needs not need to think on that rn

[lime pewter]

probably not, maybe a new release from the same line

consumer audio usually goes for the same low quality bloated bass

"loud = good" -average person

[haughty thistle]

You mean bass = good...

[jolly marsh]

im that average lol

[lime pewter]

mostly just bloated bass with heavy dynamic compression

QC45 probably best overall right now

just gotta quit watching audio reviews

and their "raycon got balanced sound"
the raycon: 30db bass boost

[jolly marsh]

and some advice for sound to not break on the cv1's? @haughty thistle @lime pewter

[lime pewter]

cut it in pieces

[jolly marsh]

? xd

[haughty thistle]

Don't yank the headset off your head and be mindful of the right side of the strap with the springs in it (that's where the ribbon is routed through)

[jolly marsh]

ok ty

[rustic garnet]

Does the quest support usb ethernet cards?

[little plinth]

idk i'm on a pico 4

[rustic garnet]

oh well

Does the pico 4 support usb ethernet cards then

that's kinda neat if it does but i suppose it is basically just android right

[little plinth]

well i'm using one rn

lol because vr is well a display infront of your face my eyes with myopia (left) and astigmatism (both) i can read from "far" away

[haughty thistle]

I just checked, the Quest does not seem to work with LAN. It does play a jingle when I plug in my ethernet adapter, but if I then turn off my Wifi router, it says it doesn't have an Internet connection. And yes, I have verified, my adapter does work with my phone...

[little plinth]

one more thing pico 4 does better than quest 2 after USB tethering if that's true

[grizzled field]

hey @haughty thistle how would the HP Reverb perform on an RTX 2080?

[gloomy crater]

It would likely perform just fine as long as it's ran at an appropriate render resolution. According to techpowerup, a 2080 would be 3/4 the perf of a 3070, on which I was able to get 75% render res max, so between 50 and 60 for a 2080 would likely be good but you'd have to do some testing.

[grizzled field]

ok thx, have you ever used the reverb before?

[gloomy crater]

I got one for my sister to replace her Quest 2. I had to use it for about a week while I was getting everything set up cause she's not good with computers. I was pretty amazed how much better the visuals are and how light it is compared to the index.

Wait, Reverb or Reverb G2 for clarification

Cause I've only used the G2

[grizzled field]

ok so it would be better than a Rift S? I'm considering getting one for my brother who's Rift S broke, and he doesn't want another Meta headset because of that, so the Reverb would be the only affordable alternative, and his PC has a 2080
I'm talking G2, I don't know if its possible to find a plain Reverb lol

[weak bluff]

Here is a new addition to VR mods struggle with instability https://github.com/Louka3000/OpenVR-Dynamic-Resolution

This mod adjust your res according to PC capability

So like if you are in good performance level and you load heavy level the mod auto scale res down

If you go to good performance the res scale up

Suitable best for high end PC and VRs but it works with low end too

[gloomy crater]

Yeah I assumed so. Literally the only complaints I have about the G2 is that 1. It's so insanely High Res that you need at least a semi-powerful GPU, unlike the index which isn't as demanding (this is offset by the fact that its raw pixel density makes up for the decreased render% so it actually would still look better at 50% than my index at 100%, it just makes it harder to reach its full potential.) 2. The windows mixed reality software is annoying, but it's not any more annoying than Meta's is so it's not that big of a deal. and 3. The controllers feel cheap, but that's just because I'm used to the index knuckles, so for someone who's used to the OG oculus touch controllers, they'd probably feel similar, but if you wanna step them up, there are index-strap controller covers available for them.

All in all, yeah I'd definitely say it's better than the Rift S. They're honestly really comparable headsets, inside out tracked, PC tethered, requires a desktop host software, similar-ish controllers. But then the Reverb has way better audio, visuals, maybe comfort idk what the head strap is like on the Rift S but the reverb's is pretty similar to the index

[grizzled field]

alr nice, might be a birthday gift idea then

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, especially if you can get it when it's on one of their super sales. I got my sister's when it was on sale for $400, but apparently they've gone for lower in the past. which is the same price as a base Quest 2 now I'm pretty sure. Which for the record, I'd 100% buy a G2 over a Q2

[grizzled field]

I would as well, but I don't have a real PC yet, so standalone it is for me :/ I'm at least getting the Q2 used so its $200

[gloomy crater]

Understandable. When I first got into VR, my PC consisted of a Ryzen 3 2200G and a 4gb RX570, so the Quest 1 being standalone was a big plus. I recommend an audio strap and a pair of Kiwi quest 2 controller grip covers

[grizzled field]

Audio strap? I have a nice pair of 3.5mm headphones

I'll probably upgrade the strap anyway tho

[gloomy crater]

Yeah that's pretty much the first mod everyone does, ditching the regular cloth strap. You can go with an audio strap that has integrated speakers, or a featureless strap that's more comfortable and doesn't impede your headphone fitment if you wanna go that route. Then there's the Halo strap which I've never understood but some people like it

[grizzled field]

yeah idk but I rlly like the Rift cv1 strap

so probably something like that

which shouldn't impede headphones too much

[haughty thistle]

If what Jay says about the 2080 is true, then yeah. I actually run my G2 whenever I'm on my Lappie at around 60-70% render res, and that Laptop has a 2070 Mobile in it (about the perf of a desktop 2060)

[gloomy crater]

Oh yeah I forgot about that. I think my brain blocked out the fact that I wasted so much time trying to figure out why it was only able to get 75% res on a 3070 only to realize it was factoring in both the SteamVR 1.75x and the beat saber individual 1.4x for a total of 2.38x or over 200% resolution. So you should do better than that on a 2080

[haughty thistle]

Also keep in mind that by default WMR has its own dynamic res. Unlike Vive, it doesn't affect render res in SteamVR, but does affect image clarity and you can turn it off in the settings (highly recommend turning that off)

[little plinth]

There is a pico 4 at cheaper than the G2.
There's also quest 3 possibly releasing soon but as you said. "Remember, no meta"

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but out of those three, the G2 is still the best option as it's the only one with a native DP in. And before you argue that the Pico has the same screen res, maybe physically, yes, but because of compression it's effective image resolution is lower. And you can tell, side by side the Pico has a noticably softer image (not to mention the worse colors, contrast and SDE)

[weak bluff]

Going from native to compressed stream is a big downgrade xd

[haughty thistle]

Also, going with Pico just to avoid Meta is like drinking Wine instead of beer. Sorry but ByteDance is when it comes to privacy much worse then Meta...

[rustic garnet]

Don't most vr engines already include a mechanism like this

[weak bluff]

Yes and in repository mentions those games

[little plinth]

G2 was one of my options before getting the pico 4
but on my place the "cheap price" doesn't apply and i heard bad things about the tracking

[weak bluff]

Yes you traded poor tracking with headset that have permanent issue of never using full potential graphic

At least comfort is different

[little plinth]

eh can't tell the difference and it's $150 cheaper so a win i guess

[weak bluff]

You can't tell the difference because you don't have both

[haughty thistle]

Head tracking on WMR is actually better then most other inside-out systems. When done right, a static calibration on WMR is quite usable with barely any drift.
And regarding the controller tracking: a friend of mine who does (at least part time) competitive Beat Saber was really impressed by the responsiveness and accuracy of the G2 controllers, and he uses a CV1 at home

Really, the big problem with WMR is it's limited Tracking FOV, but even that is only really a concern in VRChat...

[jolly marsh]

hey @haughty thistle found some cv1's not used a lot for 140 euros with warranty from a local store in my country obviously worth it no?

[haughty thistle]

If they're in a good shape, why not?

[jolly marsh]

Just very dusty but they seem in good shape

[jolly marsh]

Said the guy who answered on the chat that he will send more photos of all, need to ask how the warranty with them works and idk what more lol

[haughty thistle]

Pictures of the lenses

[jolly marsh]

Any red flag?

[dull tide]

It’s usually a good sign if they kept their original packaging

[jolly marsh]

Yeah the only thing that I can detect is that they are dusty but not necessarily a red flag

[dull tide]

Certainly better than knocking around in a plastic grocery bag

[haughty thistle]

I'd say, go for it. I certainly can't see any immediate red flags

[dull tide]

You can just replace the facial interface right?

I’d want a close look at the optics to make sure a dirty tshirt hasn’t really scratched it up

[haughty thistle]

Yes, the facial interface is replacable, and afaik VRCover is still selling their basic replacement kit for the CV1

[rustic garnet]

The rift has a fabric covering and it's basically impossible to clean it out properly

And like

it's gonna get dirty with finger dirt and hair grease

Inevitably

[jolly marsh]

yeah in 2 days he says that he will send close look photos of it so if that's good i'd day to go for it

[jolly marsh]

yeah will buy it for sure, dont want to suck all the sweat and hair grease from a random guy

[dull tide]

Speaking of. Is there an easily replaceable one for PSVR2? Sharing a HMD with a friend and it’s a hassle to swap the baffle

[grizzled field]

FRICK THE PICO. Both me and my brother hate Tik Tock, the pico can go to heck. for just a little more the G2 is WAY better in EVERY possible way

[little plinth]

Eh in visual fidelity sure

But for me especially, $150 is a big gap

And the standalone ability is gold

I bought it for pcvr mainly but sometimes when i just wanna chill consume content and shit its useful to have the standalone part

And immersed multi monitor is epic

Quest 2 also got immersed but black and white mixed reality blegh

[grizzled field]

maybe but my brother doesn't want a standalone device, especially when he has a PC that can run it. Getting a standalone device for him for the reason of being standalone would be like saying "Here we're going to pay close to the same price for a device that makes a bunch of compromises that we don't want for a feature we dont want, and sacrifice the quality of the part that we actually want"

[little plinth]

The price is definitely not close enough. And i did say the standalone is nice to have and not the main reason i got it.

[grizzled field]

yeah the price is close enough if you get it used or on sale, and it goes on sale all the time, and your paying a little bit more for much better visuals (which is kinda what matters), and not being tracked by a company that ought to burn for eternity for playing a large role in the degeneracy of the human race. The G2 is just a way better headset in general, personally I think the G2 is the greatest headset to ever exist. And I was asking if a 2080 would handle the high res of the G2, I was not asking for recommendations for a crap headset with software worse than Meta's (and even WMR), with visuals worse in almost every way, and tracking that is barely better than the G2's

[little plinth]

I was not recommending, i was just saying all the options.
And the only thing about the G2 is definitely just the visuals.
Also with PCVR the software really doesn't matter does it? Evem then for PCVR streaming assistant works much better than Q2's Link.
And G2 is $400 on a good day
With pico being $300, that's a pretty big gap.

And really at this point your hate is at an irrational level. and you're being very argumentative for no reason.

And i don't really wanna continue the conversation

[grizzled field]

what hate are you talking about? I just hate ByteDance, and when I see someone suggesting a crap product I feel the need to tell them just how bad the product they are suggesting is

[little plinth]

Tell me why is bad other than because it's bytedance

[grizzled field]

worse visuals, which you have already mentioned

[little plinth]

Worse visual being relative to the G2

It's still better than most alternative

[grizzled field]

and its a standalone device, which is worthless for someone who wants a PCVR headset

[little plinth]

Half of steam vr users uses a Q2

[grizzled field]

which means its going to be heavier because of the processors

[grizzled field]

yeah becuase its cheap

[little plinth]

It's lighter than some pcvr headsets

[grizzled field]

except the G2 which is what we were talking about, I didn't want any alternatives, and you can't even GET a Pico headset in the US, which you didnt consider did you?

[little plinth]

And again, my original reply was only mentioning what exists at similar price point

[warm stirrup]

I've always had bad experiences with quest 2 in pcvr, mainly because of the compression and weird oculus link bugs

[little plinth]

I couldn't careless where you live, there are 196 countries.

[little plinth]

I heard bad stuff about link and virtual desktop being a good solution to it

[warm stirrup]

Virtual desktop never worked for my friends headsets and mine

Like it was just worse

Airlink is by far the worst out of them, 2nd place vd, and wired link is best, at least for my experience and my friends experiences, 3 headsets total on 3 different pcs

[little plinth]

Do you have a proper 5GHz Wifi6 router

[grizzled field]

I don't understand why it exists, should have dropped off a cliff, it is a headset of google cardboard quality

[little plinth]

And you never even tried it

You hated it simply because it being from bytedance

And durability wise it's nearly on par with the indestructible brick that is quest 2

[warm stirrup]

Yes literally a couple feet from my pc

And yes for 2 of my friends

Internet is not the issue

[little plinth]

No idea if ethernet works with quest 2.
But i use ethernet to use my pico 4 to the pc

Using ALVR app

Oh you can try ALVR on quest 2

VD alternative

VD should be better than ALVR but it might be different in your case

[warm stirrup]

Mainly it's just oculus link not connecting well to steamvr, even though wireless options are worse than the wired, wired has issues constantly

Never tried alvr

My friend was having an issue where link just lowered his beat saber fps by like 50 lmao

And it was not because beat saber sometimes decides to be laggy

[little plinth]

Using Ethernet and ALVR i get like sub 30ms latency, it's really good

Also ALVR solved my FPS issue

[warm stirrup]

Ethernet to the Pico or to the pc? Or both

[little plinth]

Both

PC <- Net Switch - > Pico

Then net switch connects to main internet router

[warm stirrup]

I don't think quest 2 supports ethernet though, I do have an adapter to try but that would be janky as hell

[little plinth]

Janky indeed it can be

[warm stirrup]

Lmao

[little plinth]

Taped it because i use a heavy ass Cat 7 ethernet cable

And it's pulling down on the headset

[warm stirrup]

Wooow I love it

[little plinth]

More janky but significantly cheaper than a wifi 6 router

[warm stirrup]

How good is the wired or wireless link natively? Like without ethernet

[little plinth]

On the pico or q2

I tried airlink on friend's q2 before

It's kinda meh because wifi5 router

[warm stirrup]

Pico

[little plinth]

USB Wired only works via the official streaming app and i get like 40ms

[warm stirrup]

Not too bad

[little plinth]

Wireless, i only got a wifi 5 router so there's that

[warm stirrup]

With my headset and my friends' I have always noticed a cube around me while in pcvr that I think is because of compression, I did also see it in green hell on standalone. My friends don't notice it, do you ever notice it on pico?

[little plinth]

Cube? You mean those black bars on the side?

When looking around

I don't really get it
When i do get it, it's because my PC's CPU is weak

[warm stirrup]

It's kinda like clear lines that surround you, I think it's for making rendering easier

I noticed it mainly on half life alyx, my friends pc has 11400f with a 3060

[little plinth]

Clear lines?

[warm stirrup]

It's kinda hard to explain but it annoys the hell out of me

[dull tide]

Ever time Inthink I’m done with the Quest 2 Kiwi designs comes out with another interesting iteration on a headset

Thinking of getting the headphones for my halo battery pack

Thinking of getting a G2 if it goes on sale for 300 again. If anything just to do virtual tourism.

One thing I like about the q2. Very easy to clean and swap out facial interefaces

Has me spoiled on PSVR2

[gloomy crater]

Yeah Kiwi's a great company. I bought their Q2 audio strap as a gift, and they sent me a second one for free just in case the first one breaks due to a potential problem the early straps had. So two people in my family got audio straps for their Quest 2's for the price of one, thanks Kiwi

Although the best VR accessory I've ever bought is this little adapter from Tundra labs that lets you ditch the 12v barrel jack the Index requires for power delivery by allowing you to power it with a SATA connector off your PC power supply. It's just two connectors with a fuse that runs out a custom PCIe slot cover so you can plug all 3 of the Index's connectors into the back of your computer

[warm stirrup]

See asus! Companies can be good sometimes

[grizzled field]

XD

[dull tide]

Any good VR tourism simulators that let you visit Real Life locations besides google earth

[warm stirrup]

Wtf, the new hello neighbor vr game doesn't support index and vive headsets

it only supports quest 2, quest pro, and rift s

No mention on the cv1

They could of just like....put it on oculus software like tf

I mean maybe they'd have to be licensed by facebook but still wtf

[weak bluff]

Better luck with some real life recreation worlds then

Try also this https://www.roadtovr.com/wooorld-google-earth-vr-quest-2/

[haughty thistle]

Not like Hello Neighbor is a particularly good game to begin with. Also, VR ports of flat games tend to be pretty sucky anyways...

[warm stirrup]

Well yeah, it just makes no sense, I didn't plan on playing it. It's just weird

[burnt oasis]

cyberpunk is pretty nice tho, just wish it was more interactive

[cobalt geyser]

Hey does anyone here know if it's possible to have a second GPU doing the x264 encoding for quest 2 airlink? If so, how do you do it?

[little plinth]

i don't know if it's possible
but you can try using the graphics settings in windows and assign steamvr + the games to your desired render card

and the oculus link app to the encoder card

under system > display > graphics in windows 11

having separate card for encoding is not really something done often so there isn't much information out there

[cobalt geyser]

ok ty!

[little plinth]

it very well might not work so if you don't actually already have a second GPU i wouldn't suggest buying one

better off selling the old one and use the money for a better one

[cobalt geyser]

i have a RTX 3090 already, just thinking about getting a cheap Intel ARC card for AV1 encoding for streaming, and doing the encoding for the quest 2.

[little plinth]

Av1 isn't really supported yet and using a second encoder card could add latency

[cobalt geyser]

Yeah to the quest 2? I'll have to pull a GPU from another machine to test that...

[little plinth]

the render route is usually
Game -> Encode -> Transmit -> Decode
which is GPU -> GPU Encode - > CPU - > Headset
using a separate encoder card could possibly add extra route
GPU 0 -> GPU 1 -> CPU -> Headset. which in theory will add some latency

now i don't got a second card to show so it's only an educated guess

and using two cards could add more driver overhead to the CPU

[rustic garnet]

Why would u wanna do that the encoder is hardware anyway isn't it

[cobalt geyser]

CPU overhead would be no big deal, as most games only use a few cores at most anyway.

so an extra CPU load on an otherwise unused core is whatever

[little plinth]

considering you got a 3090, consider treating yourself a favor and get a better headset
one with display port so you don't even need to deal with encoders

the G2 is an affordable and really good headset

[cobalt geyser]

I have a valve index too, but I like the quest 2 for when I want to be wireless and I plan on upgrading it to the quest 3 later this year.

[little plinth]

and encoding load is really small especially on a 3090

so using a second card is very much not needed

[cobalt geyser]

It's a lot bigger than you think, I've seen the oculus process using ~30% of my GPU

[little plinth]

use virtual desktop

or ALVR

i don't have VD so idk if it has foveated rendering or not

but ALVR do have foveated rendering so it helps with performance

[rustic garnet]

That's not just encoding that's the whole compositor process

[little plinth]

use steamvr compositor, it's better

[rustic garnet]

doesn't the oculus driver still need to step in right before sending it to the headset

[little plinth]

if you use VD/ALVR no

[rustic garnet]

Like the steam compositor is stuff like guardian and lens correction

[rustic garnet]

Oh well i have a cv1

[little plinth]

quest 3 rumored price being $500 wew

depending on how big of an improvement it is i might just keep my pico 4

but i heard it's not even much better visually than quest 2

[cobalt geyser]

How? Virtual desktop?

[grizzled field]

NO someone already had this idea before me =(
https://pimax.com/portal/

[haughty thistle]

This might actually cause even worse performance as now your GPU has to put everything on pause to copy the current framebuffer uncompressed over the PCIe bus into system memory for your second GPU to access it. Copying stuff over the PCIe bus always takes the longest, and usually takes the GPUs full (or most of it's) attention...

Then again, I'm not sure if this would be any different for the rendering GPU then when doing CPU frame encoding (which VD falls back to when it can't detect a GPU with a valid HW encoder)

VD generally is not very transparent on whether or not it's using the GPU to encode video frames or the CPU. I guess the best way to figure that out is to see whether or not it puts any load onto the GPU...

[weak bluff]

https://www.oppo.com/en/newsroom/press/oppo-mr-glass-developer-edition-launch-at-awe-2023/

[haughty thistle]

Prolly the closest to a Quest controller clone to date...

Oppo:

Hey, can I copy your homework?
Meta:
No, but if you do, don't make it too obvious, ok?
Oppo: