virtual-reality

[cedar belfry]

my pc miiiiighttt explode

[cobalt geyser]

can you airlink two at once?

[cedar belfry]

im gonna try one link cable, one air link

[warm stirrup]

I can't wait for the day PCs are so powerful that we can run two bigscreen beyond headsets with 8 base stations playing two instances of VRChat without any lag

[gloomy crater]

I'm skeptical that's ever gonna happen. Take out the VRChat part though, and it'll be possible within the next tech generation or so.

[cobalt geyser]

let me know what happens

[cobalt geyser]

VRChat is mostly limited by the rendering thread on one CPU core. As long as you have a RTX 3090/4090, you could probably run two instances of the game just fine, with little to no performance hit.

[weak bluff]

Even better CPU affinity differently in 2 instances

[little plinth]

Inside out tracking headset would be infinitely simpler than the mess with 8 stations

[little plinth]

Doable with Dual GPU systems.
A 3080 is technically 2x 3060 performance but 2x 3060 will probably handle 2 VR instances better

Not in SLI

Each GPU still independent

[warm stirrup]

Talkin about with a world full of avatars that are poorly optimized taking up every bit of VRAM

[little plinth]

Oh yeah and VRAM, 2x 3060 would do a better job for running 2 instances as a 3080's 10GB would very quickly get fucked.

[cedar belfry]

oculus app died; it got confused

[cobalt geyser]

As technology improves, users will just make content to use more vram.

[weak bluff]

If money is not a problem get RTX A6000

[cobalt geyser]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334736271213

$45k GPU if you really wanna meme

[weak bluff]

i dont think you can get normal driver for that

does not even have video encoder

no it just does not work in normal PC

[lime pewter]

why is it still called a GPU when it doesn't do graphics

[weak bluff]

it does graphic but it just does specific things that are not for PC

it strips essential features on PC for data centres

i heard this card cant even do raster performance so its like an ASIC

[lime pewter]

not pci-e tho

[weak bluff]

Its made to brute force deep learning

[warm stirrup]

AMD is already used to putting more VRAM (or enough VRAM) Nvidia not lookin so hot rn

[weak bluff]

It also have overkill HBM memory

[lime pewter]

when a server doesn't care about efficiency

[weak bluff]

wink wink Vega GPU anyone

[weak bluff]

Some GPU have efficiency focus but in here result is worth more than electricity bill

[lime pewter]

rated 24ish% faster but over 2x power draw compared to other version, rip

density ig?

[weak bluff]

If you want small efficient gpu check out RTX A2000

No external power needed

GTX 1660 super performance

[lime pewter]

technically worse efficiency than a 4090 with lower power limit

or even stock

[weak bluff]

Well i did small factor as qualification

[lime pewter]

I mean, 4090 FE does fit in a sub 10 liter SFF case

[zinc knoll]

Yep, by itself lmao

[zinc knoll]

HBM for those workloads has a very real world benefit though. No reason for consumers but lots of reason for datacenters

[weak bluff]

What was AMD thinking putting on consumer gpu

[lime pewter]

Formd T1 is like 9. smth liter and fits 4090 + 7950x3D watercooled (also aircooled with ventus or FE)

[zinc knoll]

Joke but I didn't realize you could fita 170W chip in there too though... thought it would max out at like a 105w chip bc of literally half the case space taken up by chonk.

[lime pewter]

could do 170w technically

[zinc knoll]

Damnit 7950x3d is a 120w chip I'm wrong again

[lime pewter]

240mm + slim fans on the 7950x3D

GPU aircooled

well, technically 1 slim fan and 1 regular sized fan is possible

[grizzled field]

this might be slightly biased, cuz its the first headset I ever used, but the Rift S was very immersive, now longevity wise it's a piece of crap

although I've only ever used Rift S and Rift cv1

hey @haughty thistle I was wondering, would a 2015 iMac (running Windows obviously, because MacOS is shit), with a Core I5, AMD Radeon R9 M380, and 16 Gigs of RAM, be capable of lightweight VR?

[zinc knoll]

Still trying to secure a rift s for a reasonable price, but you can very easily get a nice rift s for 200

[zinc knoll]

Probably 32 gigs RAM would have a chance, I'm not familiar with the R9 M380, nit considering the iMac has laptop cooling, I'd say it's like gtx 1050 ish perf. At best.

[grizzled field]

I could probably upgrade it to 32, maybe even 64, I don't know how much it supports tho

[zinc knoll]

32 would improve your VRAM a bit, so if it's possible to get it cheaply, I'd do that

You really just need VRAM for lightweight VR.

[haughty thistle]

I doubt it. That GPU is very weak sauce

For that gen of Hardware mobile GPUs just weren't fast enough for any playable VR experience, and that iMac runs a pretty low end mobile GPU to boot...

[grizzled field]

oh well, that's kinda what I expected

[grizzled field]

for $200 if I were you I'd just get a Q2

[zinc knoll]

Nahh I'm trying to yank a rift s away from someone for 130

That's MY budget, it'd be super easy to buy a pristine rift s for 200, just alot harder to get one for 130ish

[harsh niche]

rift s is bad imo

had one for a while and got rid of it because the resolution was bad and the digital ipd thing was useless

and it’s only 80hz

[zinc knoll]

Prolly the worst thing about it is the digital ipd. But I only need it until I can afford a reverb g2 and a new GPU

[zinc knoll]

Easier on my 2060 so it should be fine for me for a while

[little plinth]

Where you're getting a Q2 at $200 nowadays is the problem

I mean for me at least, i can't find one below $400 which is why i opted for pico which is $100 less

[grizzled field]

I found 5 of them $200 on facebook marketplace

[harsh niche]

I’d just save up

[little plinth]

Lucky you i guess

[harsh niche]

you can get a g2 for $300

[rancid lynx]

I honestly think my index would beat it out

immersion and inbuilt tracking are a high priority

I've never found any oculus headset to be particularly comfortable

[little plinth]

I guess it's a US thing? with an abundance of used headsets.
G2 here price wise is even worse than the meta quest 2 $400 hike.

[rancid lynx]

seems it'll be a while before there's a headset that at least matches the index with inbuilt tracking

[zinc knoll]

G2 new is like 400

[zinc knoll]

no shit sherlock, id expect it too, its like 2x the price, oculus rift s MSRP was like 399 USD

[rancid lynx]

damn there really isn't anything

[zinc knoll]

idk its kinda hard to do inside out tracking like the index

unless you have base stations, or IR blasters, it'll be really hard to match an index in tracking just because of physics and computational power

[rancid lynx]

the vive xr elite seems intriguing

I'd use wireless streaming from my rig, so no cables

it has inside out tracking

it's portable

90hz is acceptable for the form factor

100-ish° fov is a step down from the index but again, acceptable for the form factor

and as for battery, if I'm doing a prolonged session I can just buy a very long charging cord, better than a huge thick cable I have to lug around

and I have several outlets around my room, but not several PCs

I wonder if there's a place I can do a 'try before you buy' type thing for the vive

looks like the reviews aren't great

maybe I'll just keep my index around until something good shows up, I guess HTC really did fall off

maybe something good will come out in the next year or so

my index is starting to show some serious wear

I'll just replace my two nonfunctional controllers in a couple weeks

[zinc knoll]

wireless streaming will always be worse than cables, its just physics...

[rancid lynx]

yeah but also there aren't any wires

and the line is being blurred more and more every day

[haughty thistle]

Not really

The Image on Quest is noticably degraded compared to other headsets with similar screen res, because of its lack of native display input, and stuff like what's on Varjo just isn't possible wireless yet, unless we include stuff where the connection breaks down when even just a fly gets in between the transmitter and receiver...

[zinc knoll]

the difficult part isnt the data rate, its the data rate at which things can still be in the line of sight of the antenna and the experience not compromised extremely

[haughty thistle]

Wired > Wireless
It's always been this way, and will always stay this way. No matter how you slice or dice it. And this not just applies to VR...

[zinc knoll]

as i said its literally physics

[haughty thistle]

Well, Latency is also an incredibly important part with VR. Even the best Wifi 6 setup will not get under 20-30ms, which is ages for VR...

[little plinth]

Anyone else here got the pico 4?
I wanna know how VD compares to the native streaming app

Is it lighter on the CPU and lower latency?

I don't wanna waste 20 bucks if it's gonna perform worse

[rustic garnet]

how do u guys think this looks

It's really hard to get good pics when it's not on somebody's head

hang on

[zinc knoll]

idk what that is

[rustic garnet]

his head is very small so it looks goofy but you get the gist i think

[rustic garnet]

It's a custom headstrap for the asus mixed reality headset

I really didn't like the halo design

[zinc knoll]

hmmmm ok

[rustic garnet]

So i made a new one more in line with the cv1, reverb and index

Or maybe more like the og vive das in execution

squid games ‼️‼️

[weak bluff]

A rare Asus headset damn

[grizzled field]

yes but you asked for everyone's personal opinion, and I told you I am biased

[grizzled field]

not quite, there are some cases where I'd say wireless is better than wired, a good wireless mouse it better than a wired one, you don't want to be playing CS:GO and die, just because your cord got caught, also when you're using an Xbox controller? Wired Xbox controllers are a complete pain, you know how easy those are to trip over, and then your controller gets knocked on the floor and probably breaks, not to mention what you possibly broke tripping on it. Laptops? Imagine if you had to plug your laptop in to ethernet everywhere. If you completely ignore the convenience and other factor, and just talk speeds and latency, yes, wired is far better and probably always will be, BUT we could reach a point where physical wires reach their limitations and wireless ends up being faster, of course this is just speculation. Just saying "Wired > Wireless" should take into account whats best for the user and in a lot of people's personal use cases, being wired is too much of a burden for it to actually be better than wireless, let alone even a viable option. Guess maybe it does matter how you slice and dice it 🫠

wow that took FOREVER to type XD

[little plinth]

I can't return to wired headsets after i tried wireless earbud

Only drawbacks is SBC latency which makes it unusable for rhythm games, well not really an issue for the phone

But on PC, i use the VR headset speaker so it's a non issue

[grizzled field]

see? This^ is what I'm talking about, for a lot of people the convenience of wireless, makes it better. There is no real Wired > Wireless, they both have their place

[rancid lynx]

b-but... your opinion is different from mine 😭

[grizzled field]

welcome to real life, hope you enjoy your stay =)

[rancid lynx]

hehe

I would go rift S if it weren't old, and it's also kinda sad compared to my index

there are certain tradeoffs I'm willing to accept for my requirements, but I think the Rift S doesn't cut it

[cedar belfry]

how do i run both at once, if at all?

[rancid lynx]

wait rift S is same age as index

but even still

[grizzled field]

I wouldn't the Rift S is crap, and likes to break :/ I would go with the HP Reverb G2

[rancid lynx]

wish there was a wireless option for the reverb

it's a nice headset

if it weren't for bugs and tons of issues, the Vive XR Elite would be perfect since it has streaming that is half decent

and is at least comparable to the index with decent tradeoffs

[grizzled field]

There is. All it takes is a LOT of willpower, skill, knowledge of both electrical engineering and programming, and the willingness to spend weeks to months building some sort of wireless adapter, and some sort of software that would probably be needed to make it work. and workarounds lots and lots of workarounds :/

[rancid lynx]

I've got a 3d printer and 17 braincells?

[grizzled field]

oh and connecting a battery

[grizzled field]

oh you'll need more than that. How's your willpower?

[rancid lynx]

I barely finish projects

one in every ten

[grizzled field]

yep, no wireless reverb for you XD

go on Fiverr and see if you can pay someone else to do it lol

[rancid lynx]

lmfao

damn I wish the XR Elite was good

it's perfect for my usecase

[grizzled field]

I believe there is 2 necessities of developing tech, 1 is laziness, which is the mother of all invention. And 2 having a very strong will to do whatever it takes now, to be lazier in the future XD

[grizzled field]

yeah I don't know, like anything about that headset. What's wrong with it?

[rancid lynx]

apparently the software is riddled with bugs

and bad qc

and bad tracking

[grizzled field]

ahh, that's nice gotta hate it when great companies are half-hearted in their software Cough AMD graphics Cough

[rancid lynx]

is the quest pro any good?

I guess face tracking probably wouldn't work in vrc

[grizzled field]

from what I've heard it's just an overhyped Q2 with a few small upgrades, so nope XD

[rancid lynx]

yeah

sounds abt right

sucks that I can't find a good headset lmao

[grizzled field]

what do you use currently?

[rancid lynx]

index

want something wireless (pcvr) with inside out so no base stations

[grizzled field]

why not the Quest 2? It's probably a slight downgrade from the Index in terms of like res but its wireless

[rancid lynx]

I've found it to be miserable to use

it's brutally uncomfortable and I bet the streaming isn't great since it's not built to be used with it

[zinc knoll]

Doesn't take into account the different data rates of the technologies.

[zinc knoll]

Not enough wireless datarate.

[grizzled field]

oh yeah I suppose, thanks for bringing that up

but I was essentially just trying to say, wireless VS wired, isn't an apples to apples comparison

[rancid lynx]

yes, there are no fruits involved

[grizzled field]

well then if I were in your shoes, I'd take one of 2 routes, either I'd give up wireless and just get the Reverb, or I'd get the XR Elite, and hope Vive fixes their shit

[grizzled field]

lmao

[rancid lynx]

nah vive has more issues than just software

hardware difficulties too

I'ma just get some replacement controllers for my index and keep using it

(both of them are dead)

I also have a launch unit so it may have some kinks they hadn't worked out yet

[grizzled field]

that works as well, I didn't know that was an option XD, if I did that's what I would have told you in the first place

[zinc knoll]

It isn't, but it's still the same concept, you're still tethered to a space, and with wireless above resolutions of the Quest 2, the datarates, and the frequency band is so sensitive to obstacles that the clearing of the space is almost as much as being tethered, direct line of sight becomes mandatory.

With wireless VR you're no longer fighting through technological disadvantages, you're fighting against physics

[rancid lynx]

are we though?

wireless VR hasn't had time to catch up with refresh rates and resolutions

we just need faster transmission of information

which can be achieved overtime

[grizzled field]

but chickenbread said "and this not just applies to VR" implying that he thought wired was better than wireless in more places in VR, right now wired is far better than wireless for VR

[rancid lynx]

if you can transfer information 2x faster, you can have around 2x information in the same latency, no?

so then why don't we go for 7ghz networking, to push limits?

and then keep going forwards

VR advances faster than wireless tech so it doesn't get a chance to catch up

hence why it's so mediocre

[grizzled field]

I'm not so sure about that, theoretically wires could being physical, could reach their physical limits. Wireless as far as I know is transmitted on non-visible light waves, light is the fastest moving object that we know of, meaning with advancements in wireless technologies it theoretically could become faster

[rancid lynx]

stand right next to your router and use wifi ad

(60ghz is ridiculous but it gets the point across)

the standards exist, they just need to be implemented

[rancid lynx]

if your router (that theoretically supports AD) is in a diff room, wire up an AP

anyways it's 11pm and I have exams tomorrow so cya guys

[grizzled field]

yup cya =)

oh shoot I'm alone in the wireless VS wired battle now aren't I?

[rancid lynx]

this skink is on your side

[grizzled field]

XD ok then lol

[zinc knoll]

The problem is, that faster transmission of information is getting close to the limit of what it's at for this use case

[zinc knoll]

It's electromagnetic waves, it's not speed, it's data rate, for higher data rate, you need higher frequencies, and guess what high frequencies hate? Things in the way, so at a displayport cable type data rate, turning in the wrong direction would compromise your connection strength and therefore your data rate, because then pieces of you skull would be in the way in between your transmitter and receiver, unless you have recievers all dotted throughout your play area, you're gonna get connection issues at those bandwidths. Theoretically you could do what starlink internet satellites do and transmit data through lasers, but that's on the bounds of practically possible due to price and space and calibration, etc. You're running up against the "over the air" data rate physical limit due to how VR works and how it would have to transmit signal.

[zinc knoll]

That caps out at 5 Gbps, a displayport 1.4 cable transmits 25Gbps

Oh, and the vive 2 pro can't run at full resolution and full refresh rate at that 25gbps, you have to use DSC (displaystream compression) to compress the data to allow for more data to travel through the same pipe. (You might be able to see what I'm getting at here)

The vive 2 pro is only a couple hundred more pixels tall and wide than the reverb g2

[little plinth]

Latency is mostly caused by processing and packet loss not that wireless is inherently slower.
EM waves move at near speed of light (slower than vacuum in air).

And weaker signal also require more processing

[haughty thistle]

The big problem with Wireless is ofc the processing of the packets, but off-the-shelf solutions (like regular Wifi) aren't meant for low-latency applications and as a result have horrendously high latency on a protocol level. Same applies to Bluetooth audio btw. It's the protocol that makes up the majority of the latency (~150ms for Bt5 and ~200ms for Bt4 and older).
Something like the Vive Wireless Adapter can run at much lower latency as the entire stack is in control of the software. The Intel WiGig card is a special model just for the wireless adapter, the antenna is slightly beam forming (better reception in front then behind the antenna), etc. The only thing that is afaik off-the-shelf with that thing is the WiGig receiver card in the receiver module itself, but ofc that might run custom FW as well...
The problem is more that DP1.4 is around 32Gbps (not 25! That's DP 1.2 with around 21Gbps), while the best that regular Wifi can muster at a stable rate and decent processing lag is around 300Mbps. A far cry of what DP can do. WiGig 2 can achieve speeds of around 40Gbps, but the problem with WiGig is that 60GHz wireless signals are easily blocked by basically everything, including your body and head. Say the receiver antenna is mounted towards the back on the top of your head, you face the antenna and look up. That's it, you just lost signal. And that's WiGig 1 which is more robust against signal loss, as the higher you push the signal rate, the less stable it get's...

You can actually see the Vive WA compensating for reduced signal quality, as it drops the image resolution when the signal is still there, but heavily degraded (say because your head is partially blocking line of sight with the transmitting antenna). Usually tho, when you see this you're just about to loose signal entirely, sooo... yeah...

But yes, current gen headsets already make use of DSC (which only compresses the color signal btw; luminance stays at native res and uncompressed!), so that would be a challenge as well, as you can't easily compress an already compressed signal, and even if you tried, the savings wouldn't be great. You could also compress the luminance signal of a DSC compressed signal, but the result would be that you're no longer running at true native res.
It's the same conundrum the Quest is in. Yes, you can tell VD to run at "native res", but what that means is that time averaged each pixel might be individually driven, but never at a time will every pixel be unique. Lossy compression will always mean that you're never truly running native res.

If we locked ourselves for wireless only in VR today, yes we might have a more "convenient" experience, but we'd significantly limit what we can actually do in VR. Like I said, something like what Varjo or Pimax are doing in their headsets just isn't possible over wireless today. At least not to the fidelity they offer...

[weak bluff]

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[zinc knoll]

Thanks for correcting some of my facts lol

[zinc knoll]

Just because they travel at the speed of light doesnt mean that the datarate is infinite...

[little plinth]

Did i say data rate is infinite

I was talking about latency

[zinc knoll]

Latency is a derivative of conversion of wireless signals rn, that may be solved.

[haughty thistle]

Well, you have to keep in mind that your speed (and by extension your latency) will be hard-limited by your signal frequency. A 2.4GHz signal can only carry data signals that are less then half the carrier frequency (carrier frequency is what's normally referred to when talking about wireless bands; i.e. 2.4/5/6/60GHz; exact frequency depends on the channel). The carrier get's modulated with your actual signal, so to not clash with the carrier, you need a signal frequency that is less then half the carrier, but also not an integer fraction of your carrier. I didn't study electronics, so the details are kindof above my head, but that's a rough explanation of how wireless data transfers work.
You can't send your packet until the next packet clock, and the packet clock is (like I mentioned earlier) limited by your carrier frequency, and as a result that limits how low you can get the latency.
Ofc the same thing applies to data travelling down a cable, but you can set the packet clock completely free of any carrier frequency restrictions ^^

Also, technically speaking data being sent through air (aka RF) doesn't travel as fast as data packets being sent through a cable. RF does not travel at light speed. The best example for this would be satellite internet. While light from the sun takes a fraction of a nanosecond to arrive on the earth, a roundtrip for a data packet going from a dish to a geostationary satellite (where most satellites for internet reside with the sole exception of Starlink) and back to a groundstation takes multiple milliseconds! Your ping is gonna be at least triple digits if you play through satellite internet

Starlink works so much faster and with lower latency then traditional satellite internet, as it's satellites are much closer to earth (low-earth orbit). As a result you get a much better link speed and ping, but that also requires much more complicated dishes, as they have to keep up with the fast apparent speed the satellite wizzes by the receiving dish...

[hard sundial]

ive been wondering, why does oculus quest 2 forces you to link with your phone?
and why the fuck linking with phone require you to turn on both bluetooth and LOCATION???

[haughty thistle]

Location because it's doing a BLE scan, which is tied to location on Android for some reason and regular Bt is required for pairing and communication

The Phone is required because you don't want to type a 16 character password (for your account and Wifi) using a virtual keyboard...

[hard sundial]

well, i had to type wifi password
(btw i just encountered ltt video about quest 2 vs ps, why they dont even mention airlink? )

[grizzled field]

"because airlink is stupid and wired is better" lol

[hard sundial]

hm? i didnt had much trouble on air link (with route quite away from me)

[grizzled field]

yeah, it's not that bad, but "wired is still better". Idk why they didn't talk about it

[hard sundial]

yeah, untill you have no money to buy cable or you tend to turn around a lot
i mean, with airlink you can go to another room with more space etc.

[grizzled field]

see? I think @haughty thistle chickenbread needs to realize this in his whole wired > wireless

forget better speeds less latency higher data rate etc. etc. You'll have none of that if you trip over your cable and break it

[rapid otter]

Hello everyone
Just got a new OS on my PC, any tweaks i should make in Nvidia drivers, i vaguely remember something about task schedule...
Thanks in advance 🙂

[grizzled field]

what OS??

[rapid otter]

Windows 10

(Ghost spectre a lighter version)

[grizzled field]

oh cool

[zinc knoll]

Also, light from the sun takes more than fractions of a nanosecond, more like improper fractions of a minute, because light travels at 300 million meters/sec. In a vacuum and light is only a slight amount slower in the atmosphere.

[zinc knoll]

The difference is that the oculus quest compresses the data, and framerate is much worse and frametimes are much worse and having your signal go through a wall will increase frametimes and latency. Also the Quest has a lower end resolution, I guarantee you wouldn't be able to run an airlink competitor with an uncompressed version on the reverb G2 or the Vive pro 2, just because the frequency bands are so sensitive to obstacles, there are so many things under the hood of airlink to make it run well that compromise fidelity.

[grizzled field]

but if you trip on the cord there's a good chance you won't any headset so compromised fidelity? Wow such a huge deal

or worse a broken limb

[zinc knoll]

You realize that headset cables are like 15ft+ long right? It's like physically impossibleish

[zinc knoll]

I'd like to see someone do that on accident lol

[grizzled field]

wired Xbox controllers can be that long as well, and believe me my family has broke plenty of those, by tripping on the cables

[zinc knoll]

It sounds bad but that is much different scenario

[grizzled field]

is it though? I feel like I would leave a headset on a coffee table on the opposite side of the room, just like an Xbox controller

[zinc knoll]

You would leave your multi hundred dollar headset across the room (which likely uses displayport, one of the most unreliable cable types over long distances) for just random people to trip over and step on bc you're lazy?

[grizzled field]

yes

but you know laziness is the mother of invention, so it's not all bad

[zinc knoll]

Yep, that's why those suspension things for your VR headset exist

[grizzled field]

mhm

[dense drift]

Your cable wont be 100% straight which will increase the time for the signal traveling through the cable. Then techically the wireless signal would be faster

[lime pewter]

0.000000001ns difference? (either way, wireless would never be faster... a slight bend in a cable won't increase latency by multiple ms)
wireless, ew
either you can't move or the bandwidth is trash

[lime pewter]

because its a meta product, they want to know everything, even how often you go to the toilet and what you do on there

[weak bluff]

please mark yourself sarcasm

[lime pewter]

is it tho

[weak bluff]

was it not clear that typing password in vr is not a good idea

[haughty thistle]

Acktschually...
Veritasium made a video about this. If you want to be extremely precise (like you apparently are), then a tiny signal can be measured basically the moment the circuit get's completed, even if the wire is as long as light takes to travel 2 seconds roundtrip. Just FYI :3

Should mention that this voltage is extremely small tho. Basically, the cable acts as a bunch of tiny capacitors, and it's their leak current is what you measure halfway around the cable. So not enough to trigger any data signals, but just figured if you do pedentry, I do pedentry as well :3

[dense drift]

that sounds interesting, happen to have the video link? Always happy to learn more

[haughty thistle]

https://youtu.be/bHIhgxav9LY https://youtu.be/oI_X2cMHNe0

[dense drift]

thanks, that should be entertaining for my lunch break ^^

[lime pewter]

how electricity works in my mind: some stupid math I don't understand + it is what powers my hardware

[hard sundial]

I didn't get $30 from Quest 2 referral link, solution?

[rustic garnet]

So they say the CV1 uses the same headphone drivers as the koss porta pro

But is there any actual source for that?

[burnt oasis]

if you're too lazy to put your headset or get a pulley system so it can be lifted back up to your ceiling then that's your problem

that's like blaming a pc company for yiu tripping on the ethernet cable and destroying the pc

[zinc knoll]

The benefit of cables is A. they don't rely on RF. B. The protocols require little to no signal conversion. C. Cables can go farther more practically with little latency drop due to fiber optics existing.

[dense drift]

I can see the benefits of wired connections, but for the benefit of moving freely in vr, wireless is very attractive

[zinc knoll]

"Freely" is a very broad term there.

You're still bound to your space, and if you want a better experience in another room, you still have to bring your pc into that room for better latency and frametimes so you aren't sending a 4k 90hz display signal through a wall.

[zinc knoll]

Honestly as an aerospace engineering person the math is even worse.

[little plinth]

For many, the freedom of movement (especially rotational) is more beneficial than the minor latency improvement. A lot can play just fine in non ideal latency.

[lime pewter]

you kinda need ideal latency for VR

[zinc knoll]

It's also tolerance of getting sick too

[cedar belfry]

can someone tell me what OVRServer_x64.exe is doing

please

[haughty thistle]

It's what powers the Oculus/Meta PCVR Stack. More specifically it's the Oculus Desktop Compositor and handles the communication with the Hardware. This is normal to see if you're using a Quest over AirLink...

tho the more cynical explanation could be Meta phoning home and sending your every move to be logged on their servers for targeted advertising

[zinc knoll]

It's just reporting the display stream of air link as internet usage

Bc it uses wifi

[haughty thistle]

The only reason the extra Wifi latency isn't as nausea inducing as it would be is because Quest/Air Link and VD are guessing where your head is when the next frame get's displayed on screen. Trust me, 30-40ms of latency will make you sick. Really badly so. About 10ms of latency is what you can expect for regular 5GHz Wifi, and that's on top of the 30-40ms of latency for h.264/h.265 video en-/decoding that the Quest will have to do anyways. That's 30-40ms of latency on top of whatever rendering latency will occur. Yes, there is a tiny bit of latency that even a native wired PCVR headset has, it's rendering lag and you'll encounter that with a monitor too. Just that this rendering lag is within the refresh rate of the display (so less then ~11ms for a 90Hz display). The Quest just takes that head movement guessing to an extreme with it's massive overhead...

[zinc knoll]

It's asynchronous reprojection run natively on the headset

[weak bluff]

i averaged 70Mbps over air link playing almost daily and it gets quite much

[little plinth]

I regularly play for hours at 33ms avg and ASW off.

Only low FPS can make me somewhat sick

If it's at stable 90FPS i feel absolutely nothing

In VR chat it's even worse due to CPU bottleneck

At 50+ ms that's when things get more uncomfortable but i can tolerate it for a shorter amount of time

[little plinth]

Ideal in this chat means many things tbh

[zinc knoll]

Because it's happening natively inside the headset

Sometimes if you move you head fast enough, you can reach a black border due to high latency or low framrate.

[haughty thistle]

It's not ASW/Motion Smoothing that I mentioned is what does the movement guessing. It's ATW (Asynchronous Timewarp) that does that. And it's such an integral part to VR not making you sick, that you flat out cannot turn it off.
It's what makes controller movement on the Quest feel like you're moving through jello (the higher the latency, the stronger the effect). If you wave the controller back and forth really fast, you will notice it flying further then you actually moved it. Controller IMUs run at a much lower Hz then the HMD, and thus the movement guesses are more often wrong then the ones for the HMD

And again, ATW is not just a Quest thing, it's for PCVR HMDs too, it's part of SteamVR, WMR, etc.
The Quest afaik runs two iterations of ATW tho. One on the PC and one on the HMD itself. On the PC it's to correct major movement while the frame is rendering and assumed latency for the transfer and on the HMD it's for finer adjustment as to how off the initial guess was...

[weak bluff]

There is an LTT video about ATW

[hearty mica]

Is it worth buying a Vavle Index? Or is it better to wait because it's already 3 years old?

[haughty thistle]

If what you want is a good PCVR experience without having to mess around a whole lot, then it's still the best option for that price

[weak bluff]

You can buy Index now and upgrade later ツ

[hearty mica]

the question is that probably that soon the index 2 is going to be announced and that's why I ask if it's better to wait

[weak bluff]

dont wait for it

the best announced potential successor to Index is Bigscreen Beyond and even that is better if you already have Index full kit

as for Index 2 well you will be stuck in a loop of "should I wait for Index 2" for a while

[haughty thistle]

Yep. All that is known regarding an "Index 2" (Codename Deckard) is well, it's codename, and that Valve is trying out different stuff for that. We know they experimented with Varifocal optics, 3 degree adjustable lens canting, microOLED displays, liquid crystal lens shutters, optical flow sonsors and angle sensing photodiodes for tracking, split rendering, etc. But all of that doesn't really seem like one coherent product, more just that they're experimenting with different tech to figure out what they can and can't cram into a future HMD...

Valve is working on Valve time as usual. If you wait for a future better HMD, you'd be waiting indefinitely, as there will always be a successor with more and better tech in it...

[weak bluff]

their recent hiring on OLED expert indicate they probably have not started on designing display yet lol

[haughty thistle]

It goes to show tho, that they have decided already that they want OLED displays for their next HMD. It doesn't tell the whole story tho, as OLED =/= OLED. There's Pentile (Amoled/Poled), RWBG (WOLED), QD-OLED, Color-Filter microOLED, Direct-Color microOLED...

[weak bluff]

maybe we can eliminate some variants liek Pentile? Like cmon thats what Quest 1 use

[haughty thistle]

The PSVR2 uses Pentile OLED displays too

The problem is that at a macro OLED scale, the only way to cram that many pixels into the screen is by using a Pentile arrangement. For RGB-Stripe the individual subpixels would need to be so miniscule, that your brightness at a calibrated color balance would be so dim. If you think micro OLED is dim, that would be even dimmer...

[weak bluff]

hmmmm i guess i will be happy with any OLED

[haughty thistle]

I specifically say calibrated color balance, as it's the green pixels that limit your brightness. Green is always the most difficult to achieve (scientific term is "green gap"), and as such a Pentile display allocates more area for the green subpixels to basically do color balancing on a hardware level. To fit the larger green subpixels they half the amount of red and blue subpixels and make those shared with neighboring pixels...

[haughty thistle]

same xD

[weak bluff]

i wish someone made 3rd party quest 2 OLED display that can be retrofitted into headset

[hearty mica]

Would you recommend buying a used one or is it better to buy a new one

[burnt oasis]

an index kit?

it's $700-750 used

[zinc knoll]

Thats really fucking cool actually

[zinc knoll]

Just bought a rift s with a wonky left controller for 84 bucks

[open burrow]

wdym by wonky

[zinc knoll]

Has stick drift it seems like, the extensive description wasn't very helpful, but the seller did a VERY good job at selling it, had all the right pictures and relevant information.

[open burrow]

don't take me at my word but iirc the Rift S controllers use the same thumbstick assembly as the Rift 1, and fixing them requires soldering. Buuut facebook never sold spares and you're officially out of luck buying new ones

[zinc knoll]

They have ribbon connectors and seem to be the same as the Quest 2, which has infinite replacements

I can also just buy a new controller off ebay

[open burrow]

true dat

[haughty thistle]

Especially as the Quest 1 soon turns into essentially just a crappy PCVR only headset. The Q1 and Rift S used the same controllers, so worst case you just snipe one from an already broken Quest 1 😉

[zinc knoll]

True, controllers go for about 65 bucks on ebay too, if I could get one from a Q1 that would be nice

(Single left controllers lol)

[leaden ruin]

i still use my rift-s

i don't play alot of vr anyway

i remember being so excited to play half life alyx, completing it 2 times and then being done with vr again

euro truck sim in vr is fun though

so maybe i'll play that tonight

have not yet noticed any controller issues other then sometimes one of my controllers refusing to track properly in beat saber

like it just yeets itself

usually fixed by redoing the battery

[open burrow]

may i introduce you to boneworks, vtolvr, and vrchat

also into the radius, hl2vr, jet island, BattleGroupVR

[little plinth]

DCS World

[open burrow]

I like DCS but DCS in VR just makes me want to play VTOL

fumbling around my HOTAS with my index on isnt all that fun

[leaden ruin]

vtol i have and boneworks i have yet to play

played the shit out of boneworks though

[open burrow]

what

do u mean bonelabs or

for one of em

[leaden ruin]

yes bonelabs yet to play

[open burrow]

ah

[leaden ruin]

sry

[open burrow]

lmfao

all good

[leaden ruin]

i mean most of the reason is just i always think, let me play some vr and then play for 10 mins and just start playing another game

[open burrow]

WHAT

i got

something removed lmfao

YEP

okay anyway vrchat turned me into

well, look at my pfp, because its a no-no word apparently

[leaden ruin]

yeah, vrchat can be fun

[little plinth]

only thing i use vrchat rn is to chill at a chess world

[leaden ruin]

i remember alot of my characters being some clothes deprived characters lmao

[little plinth]

i can only last an hour in VRC due to performance issues

like the FPS isn't enough

[leaden ruin]

i've not played vrc since i got my r5 5600

so idk

[little plinth]

my 2200G is bottlenecking my 3060 especially with SteamVR being a hog
hopefully i can get a 5600 by july

[leaden ruin]

wow

yeah no wonder

i remember playing with my rift s on a rx 570 and r5 1600AF

[little plinth]

most of the games are CPU light enough the GPU is the one getting pegged though

beat saber still reaches 90FPS thankfully

[leaden ruin]

that ran on my r9 290 bro

not even low settings either

[open burrow]

thats kinda suprising considering i Run a R5 2600G and get about 45fps, which is fine on an index at least because spacewarp only kind of kicks in

my 2070 S is also super getting bottle necked 💀

[little plinth]

i got a pico 4 and the higher resolution spec on it means more GPU power needed

compared to other popular headsets

it's like 2160x2160 compared to say index 1440x1600

[open burrow]

wild

[little plinth]

nearly double the pixel count

4.5m per eye on pico 4 and 2.3m on index

[haughty thistle]

Also a much higher load on the CPU, thanks to the Pico not having a native DP/HDMI in and thus requiring the image to be encoded and sent via USB or Wifi

[little plinth]

yea my weak CPU sometime cause high transmit latency

been using my pc through immersed for a few hours it's awesome, free displays

[weak bluff]

At least you get more RAM

[zinc knoll]

FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS DCS

[little plinth]

Maximum jank

[lime pewter]

Not the most jank I’ve seen

[little plinth]

c

fuck my hub has no power passthrough

[weak bluff]

You should see my slimevr setup

[zinc knoll]

Wtf, also why an ethernet cable

[grizzled field]

Don't join conversations without knowing what they're about, we weren't talking about pully systems, I was trying to explain why in certain cases wireless is better than wired. And what if someone doesn't want to screw something into their ceiling? Or they live in an apartment and can't? Also the whole "that's like blaming a pc company for you tripping over the ethernet cable and destroying the pc" its nothing like that because I wasn't blaming ANYONE except myself, which you would have known if you had read the entire conversation instead of just reading that one message. I was trying to explain that if you were using the headset wirelessly there would be NO chance of tripping over cables and breaking anything. As my mother would say "Don't butt into conversations you're not a part of" and now I understand why.

oh and also watching the latest techlinked video I found out the Radeon RX 7600 is coming out sometime soon, for around $300, I'm going to have to research it more once it comes out, but it might not be a bad card to use for when I build a PC

[grizzled field]

DCS actually looks like a fun game

[zinc knoll]

Yes, just for the full experience you need a reverb G2 and a hotas and a computer that is 2x more powerful than you would normally need bc DCS is unoptimized AF.

[grizzled field]

lol, someone should fix that

[zinc knoll]

Eagle dynamics is trying, just really slowly

Also VR is on the lower end of the priorities.

[grizzled field]

do you know, if Meta can make a headset that runs on essentially a phone, could a person make essentially a mini-PC or an SoC like what the steam deck has, for standalone VR that is more powerful than something like the Quest 2?

[zinc knoll]

Well yea, the Q2 is 3 years old at this point

[grizzled field]

thats not the point, I'm asking if an SoC PC like the steam deck would be capable of VR

[zinc knoll]

Short answer No, long answer no*

[burnt oasis]

it probably will be, considering the 6700 will probably be rivaling it with its 10gb vram and slighter better bandwidth, it's $269 currently

[grizzled field]

ok so mobile hardware is capable of it, but an SoC isn't?

[zinc knoll]

The difference is the architecture

Also the XR2 is an SoC

[burnt oasis]

what's an soc again

[zinc knoll]

Architecture and optimization

[grizzled field]

wait seriously the 6700 is $269

[zinc knoll]

System on a chip

[grizzled field]

System on a chip

[zinc knoll]

So everything integrated into a single package instead of having CPU GPU RAM WIFI ETC. As separate chips

[burnt oasis]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9K4Ycf,X96p99/ it's 279 now, 6700xt is 319 at least

so $40 more for 2gb more vram and slightly higher memory bus

and we'll better performance overall

6700 competes with 3060ti, the xt is closer to a 3070

[grizzled field]

wow ok, maybe one of those two would be a better buy than the 7600

[zinc knoll]

Well AMD is also gonna compete with the 6000 series AFAIK so it will eb interesting

[burnt oasis]

based on this gen i'll assume it'll compete with a 6700 at best and will cost $299, with only 8gb of vram

guess we'll see

[zinc knoll]

XR2 was designed for VR AFAIK, plus the Quest 2 and those systems etc. Are all specially optimized for performance with optimized graphics for those systems

[burnt oasis]

their 6000 series is priced so well that any mid-low end gpu they put in the market now will either be garbage value or be extremely competitive and bring down the 6000 series even more

i guess where they could strike is a 7700 non xt or an xt which competes with a 6800 at $400ish, since the gap really goes 6700xt for $319 then just 6800 for $469

nvm it's $485 now

6800xt much better value rn as it's $499-509 and a 10-20% improvement over it

[grizzled field]

is the Ryzen 5 5500 a good CPU? It's only $90

[burnt oasis]

ehhh not really, the 5600 is damn near 20% faster for $30-40 more, and you can probably get a used 3600 for sub $70

what's your budget

[grizzled field]

my budget for a PC is about $600-$700

[burnt oasis]

need bluetooth or wifi?

[grizzled field]

yes I need bluetooth, don't rlly care about wifi

[burnt oasis]

bluetooth and wifi are a package deal btw

[grizzled field]

oh ok, then yes

[grizzled field]

does the 5600 come with an AMD stock cooler, and if so can it be cooled by the stock cooler?

[burnt oasis]

yes and yes

i own a 5600, though u can always slap a cheap $20 cooler on it

[grizzled field]

well that saves me like $20-$50

[burnt oasis]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P4bDBj

[burnt oasis]

here

[grizzled field]

thanks

[burnt oasis]

i would've gotten a 6700 myself, back then 6650xt was that price

[zinc knoll]

R5 5500 will get you through, and the 7600 or 6700 will be perfect for a 600-700

[grizzled field]

so what card should I get if I was to instead drop my budget to $400?

[weak bluff]

If you are desperate for good card try find in used market

[zinc knoll]

6500xt would be the best bet

[zinc knoll]

This 100000%

[grizzled field]

yeah, I was noticing we have quite a few around here on facebook marketplace

[zinc knoll]

6500xt is absolute dogshit for VR, 4 PCIE lanes, laptop GPU slapped onto a PCB.

[grizzled field]

yeah I noticed it only has 4 gigs of VRAM

6600 is only $200

[weak bluff]

Can you go above 6600 xt?

[grizzled field]

maybe if I find one used

[weak bluff]

Maybe find used cpu too

[grizzled field]

oooh is that a good idea? :/

[weak bluff]

CPU used are as good as new

They are usable for years at normal usage

[grizzled field]

oh ok, I've got a $70 Ryzen 5 3600 near me

[zinc knoll]

Just make sure to find one with a good page, with all relevant info listed not just " R5 5600x, works"

[weak bluff]

They can only be either complete fail or working

[grizzled field]

this is the description:
Ryzen 5 3600 CPU. CPU only, does not include cooler.

Was run in a personal gaming PC, lower hours, not overclocked and always cooled with a Noctua cpu cooler. No issues, upgraded to a 5800X3D.

[weak bluff]

$70 ryzen 3600 is good deal but hmm can you go 5600 or 5600X

Cooler should be found aftermarket and you might find one good enough to overclock

[zinc knoll]

Perfect, but the r5 3600 is on the same performance level as the 5500.

[weak bluff]

Should it be reverse lol

5500 same as 3600

[zinc knoll]

True lol

[weak bluff]

Damn low cache really hurts performance

[zinc knoll]

I had a 3600 for the first half of my pc's life so far, it's a good chip

[weak bluff]

It was best selling at 1 time

[zinc knoll]

When I bought it

[weak bluff]

Now its Core i5-12400F i think

[grizzled field]

what is a good Radeon card, that I'm likely to find on the used market?

[weak bluff]

6700 XT maybe?

6750 XT if lucky

If you are fine with 8GB fine with 6600s and 5700 XT

[zinc knoll]

Honestly a 2080ti for 250 is gonna be better than a 6700xt or 6750xt for VR.

Bc VRAM and bandwidth

[weak bluff]

Hes not gonna like nvidia i bet

1080Ti is a good choice

[zinc knoll]

That too

[weak bluff]

Im literally considering 1080Ti to replace my amd

[grizzled field]

No I hate Nvidia, but I'd get one used, after all then I'm just paying a guy for his bad choice

[zinc knoll]

Whaddaya have now

[weak bluff]

6600 XT but i can downgrade since im not maxing it out

[zinc knoll]

2080ti was a bad value anyways.

[weak bluff]

Wanna use rebate on better CPU

[grizzled field]

and I can't find anything else than a 5500xt on the used market

[burnt oasis]

damn $400 budget ain't shit

[weak bluff]

That card isnt well priced if you buy get 580 8GB instead

[zinc knoll]

580 won't do much for VR

[burnt oasis]

i mean i can sell u my 3600 and 580

sell both for $110

[weak bluff]

On $400 get RX 580 8GB 100%

I was a former RX 580 8GB user

[burnt oasis]

i was too

[weak bluff]

And i know people actively playing VRChat on it

[zinc knoll]

How good is it for VR

[grizzled field]

ooh I'd actually take the 3600 how much you want for just that?

[burnt oasis]

it's ehhhh

[weak bluff]

Its meh but value is great

[zinc knoll]

That's what i thought

Wtf my phone corrects I to u

[weak bluff]

At CV1 res should be barely to sick maybe in vrchat

[burnt oasis]

$60 with the cooler but im not sure how to ship out

[grizzled field]

that's a really good deal, can't you just like mail it?

[zinc knoll]

Also, mail prices are quite high rn too

[burnt oasis]

damn

i mean

[grizzled field]

just put postage due or something on it lol

[burnt oasis]

i have no use for my 3600 aside from the sentimental value of it being my first cpu

[weak bluff]

Welcome to supply chain issue

[zinc knoll]

Why the fuck is it so hard to find a chart with VR performance for graphics cards.

[grizzled field]

cuz sadly too few ppl care about vr

[weak bluff]

Intel has best low/mid range value today you might want to do that instead if your next upgrade is straight to AM5

[grizzled field]

yeah but with an AMD CPU and video card cant you use smart access memory?

[weak bluff]

You can use

Im using literally with amd and intel

Lol

[grizzled field]

and isn't smart access memory suppose to boost your FPS by like 5% or something lol

[burnt oasis]

it'll be the same overall as flatscreen 4k and 1440

[weak bluff]

Not every game and its negligible

Some game can even lose 1-3 fps

Unless you have Intel GPU ReBar does not matter so much

[grizzled field]

hmm, maybe then I should go intel, I don't rlly have anything against them

[weak bluff]

Yes

Then Core i5-12400F and B660 check price

[grizzled field]

alr

[burnt oasis]

wow so much

[grizzled field]

I don't understand Intel's numbering scheme, is a Core I7 13700k any good?

[weak bluff]

Example

4K

[weak bluff]

A 13th gen intel its competitor to Ryzen 7 7700

[burnt oasis]

ofc

[weak bluff]

Its good

[grizzled field]

oh so that sounds like a prettyy good CPU

[weak bluff]

Better multicore tho

Yes but consumes more power

[burnt oasis]

no the 7900x actually

[weak bluff]

And no stock cooler

Aaaand bad socket mount so either get good cooler or frame corrector

[burnt oasis]

in both gaming and productivity the 13700k competes with a 7900x

7600 competed with 13600k in gaming but productivity 13600k is a 7700x computer

competitor

[weak bluff]

Core i7-13700K is like Core i9-12900K but better a bit

Its literally last gen killer

[burnt oasis]

honestly 13600k is a 12900k killer right?

at least in gaming

[weak bluff]

It kills i7-12700K

[burnt oasis]

by a lot tho

[weak bluff]

Gaming is equal somewhat until you play games that needs more P cores

[grizzled field]

is the core I5 9600k good? I found one used $80

[weak bluff]

Em i wouldn't get 9th gen today

It does not even have HT

[burnt oasis]

no, 3600 is its competitor no?

or close to it

[zinc knoll]

I look up performance graph for GPUs and its just a bunch of shitty articles telling me that the 4090 is the best VR gpu

[burnt oasis]

u can find used 3600 on ebay for $60

[weak bluff]

Duh they arent wrong just notmbest value

[grizzled field]

yeah I think Ryzen is a better way to go than intel

[weak bluff]

Avoid 9th gen their core count sucks

Unless deep discount but still

Treat yourself at keast 12 threads

If you insist $400 then...

Try Core i5-10400F and B460 or Ryzen 5 3600 and B450

[burnt oasis]

and u can upgrade to 5800x3d

[zinc knoll]

Yes r5 3600 is a good CPU

[burnt oasis]

tech power up shows 13600k faster than 12900k slightly in gaming

[grizzled field]

yeah I just found a $70 3600 on ebay with free shipping

[weak bluff]

Yes

[zinc knoll]

They aren't wrong just not what I asked for

[zinc knoll]

I think I sold mine for like 85 a few months ago

Not free shipping tho

[grizzled field]

what about the Ryzen 5 PRO 2400G I can get one of those used for $40

[weak bluff]

Lol

[zinc knoll]

No

[burnt oasis]

bro why are you trying to budget so hard now

[weak bluff]

No APU is good value if you get discrete card

[burnt oasis]

r u going for a vr pc or an office pc

[weak bluff]

Especially when its 4 core

[zinc knoll]

He doesn't have money to spend tho

[burnt oasis]

what happened to 600-700 budget

[weak bluff]

Ok tell us real budget i will try to gimp it hard

[grizzled field]

ayy I'm just considering the options, I've currently only got $300 and I'm also trying to save for a headset and a car lol

[burnt oasis]

we'll get the car first

[weak bluff]

I started VR pc with RX 580 4GB then gradually upgrade you can try journey with it

[burnt oasis]

unless your pc is for work

[weak bluff]

My first PC was i3-9100F and RX 580 4GB

[grizzled field]

no its a VR pc

[grizzled field]

how much would that be?

[burnt oasis]

if you want to start somewhere budgeted, go 3600 and used 5800

[burnt oasis]

don't get either of those components

[weak bluff]

When i built it years ago it was $210 it was really desperate

I bought used cpu, used gpu and used psu

It was during first crypto crash as well

Bought cheapest new case too

[burnt oasis]

4gb is horrendous in 2023 and 9100f has no upgrade path

[weak bluff]

And it has 240GB SSD?

Well it was before Zen 2 even released lol

[burnt oasis]

3600 for $60, 580 or 570 for $60 as well

[weak bluff]

Nowadays if you try to replicate my challenge maybe i5-10400F/ i3-13100F and RX 580 8GB

Combo ssd and hdd

Try find dumpster free pc case in local area

16gb ram 3000mhz at least something

Before i got quest i was in GearVR so im used to motion sick a bit

And i tolerated ok in vrchat

[grizzled field]

SSD's and ram aren't super expensive, so probably a TB ssd, especially if I go SATA ssd

[weak bluff]

So you want desperate budget or you have room for 600

My old i3 pc long ago ran worse than standalone in vrchat but it was worth it for me since i can play pc world lol

Not fps wise but graphic wise

[grizzled field]

well it's mostly how long I want to wait, I want to get a tower pc at some point but I am planning on buying a Quest 2, so I can play standalone for a while, if I wait a few months I could afford a $500-$600 PC, but if I wanted one right now, it would have to be cheap lol

[weak bluff]

In few months pc market probably wont change

And new gpu value is so bad it makes old gen price stay the same

[grizzled field]

no but my bank account will change,

[weak bluff]

So yes

I can sell old pc part so when i first built i buy most desperate then upgrade later

My gpu history is wild lol i went like RX 580 4GB, GT 730, GTX 1050Ti, GTX 970, RX 580 8GB, RX 6600 XT now

[grizzled field]

honestly I should probably wait a few months until I have enough saved up for a good* PC

man why do so many ppl on ebay sell just the quest 2 headset and not the controllers?

[weak bluff]

They broke controllers and buying separate controller is not worth it probably

Or controller sell easier than full set so theyseparate it

[grizzled field]

oh hey I found one for $200 like new and with controllers, doesnt say the storage size tho :/

[weak bluff]

Do you really

Really enjoy standalones

[grizzled field]

never tried it

only ever used Rift S and Rift cv1

[grizzled field]

why?

[weak bluff]

Storage matters if you do

There is 1 quest game that takes all Quest 2 64GB storage

[grizzled field]

yeah my brother said to not to get th 64GB version, and storage matters

[weak bluff]

I have 64GB but i dont care bcuz i only PCVR lol

Old version also have Oculus logo

New one have Meta logo

Rare

[grizzled field]

I'll be using it standalone until I can build a pc, so a few months at least

😬 I found one $200 just a few minutes drive but it is the 64G model

oh hey a 128gb for $160

[burnt oasis]

no it updates to the new one , i got my oculus in 2021 and it had the oculus logo but now it's meta

[weak bluff]

I mean the carving in front of heatset

[burnt oasis]

im seeing em for $98 headset only working

[grizzled field]

yeah but then the controllers are sold separetlly for that same price

[burnt oasis]

$200 ain't bad

[grizzled field]

no it's not, but for the 64 gig model :/

[weak bluff]

How about try wishlist games first

Before you buy

See how much it takes

Worst case you offload some game for others

[grizzled field]

wishlist games?

[weak bluff]

Yeah like go to oculus store

Download the app

See what interest you

Or watch reviews

[grizzled field]

oh ok

[grizzled field]

yeah most of the games I want to play are like 1-2 gigs so 64G model should be fine

[zinc knoll]

Is there a way to transfer oculus games between headset storage and PC storage if you connect to a PC? bc @grizzled field could buy a dirt cheap 256gb or 512gb SSD and store games on there and just use a USB 3.0 port on his laptop to transfer games to the headset for standalone play.

Also, what games do you guys like that are 20 dollars or less

[grizzled field]

I have a 1TB ssd in my laptop

[zinc knoll]

If that works then you'd be set but idk if it would work

[grizzled field]

I love rec room and it's free

and you can play it on essentially everything

VR, PC, Xbox, Playstation, Switch, Android, IOS, No Linux sadly =(

and I don't know if it is on MacOS, but I think so

[sullen linden]

what is lowest entry to vr? i live in KZ(1$ = 455 KZT)

[burnt oasis]

vrchat, skyrim vr is amazing but idk about playing it on standalone, super hot is a fun starting game, but mostly vrchat and skyrim vr are my go tos

[burnt oasis]

just say your budget in your currency, and what country are you?

[little plinth]

Vega 8, 1050ti, 6600XT, 3060 12GB. Mine is less interesting but it is an upward trend

[zinc knoll]

I bought a rift s and have a 2060 6gb

[little plinth]

All these changes and my CPU is still the one with THAT vega 8

[sullen linden]

Id probably say around 100-200K, Kazakhstan

[little plinth]

I think discord mobile reply feature is broken from today's update
Classic

[burnt oasis]

get skyrim vr and add some simple game changing mods to it, will be amazing (higgs, sksevr, planck, there's some other ones)

[burnt oasis]

what website should i use for choosing the parts

[sullen linden]

kaspi.kz, as it the only shop where you can get all stuff

[little plinth]

Pico 4 has no DP support.
Either USB or Through the network

[burnt oasis]

but skyrim vr is pretty damn fun with those mods, you can use your hands to interact and hit and even grab and carry npcs, yeet their corpses at people, throw your dinner at them, also just stabbing the shit out of people for no reason is always fun

[zinc knoll]

So you don't have a long enough USB cable?

[sullen linden]

on main page there's nav thing, hover on "Клиентам" and then click "Магазин"

[burnt oasis]

with graphics mods tho you can be seeing nebulas and galaxies and supernovas in the sky and it's beautiful

[little plinth]

I'd need something over 5m long lol

[burnt oasis]

9/10 game with mods,

[sullen linden]

they've closed the shop, well, it's screwed

[zinc knoll]

Lol

[little plinth]

And a 10m USB 3.0 cable is not something that's easy to find

[burnt oasis]

do you have 20 bucks

[burnt oasis]

do you have 25 bucks

[little plinth]

I had 20 bucks
Spent it on a gigabit network switch and a USB Hub

Another 10 on blade and sorcery

[burnt oasis]

damn

well nvm then ur shit out of luck

just do airlink with a portable charger in your pocket and plugged into your quest 2

best of both worlds

[little plinth]

It's a pico 4

[burnt oasis]

oh

idk then

make better choices?

[little plinth]

And my ISP router has AP isolation which i can't disable

This is the best i can do without buying an expensive Wifi 6 router

Though a wifi 6 router, I'll get in the future

But for now this is fine, i just need to get a proper USB hub with power passthrough

[rancid kestrel]

Is there a guitar hero like game that actually uses the guitars?

[weak bluff]

have you tried looking into vr mods for existing guitar hero games

[rancid kestrel]

I feel like that's not the best approach.

[leaden ruin]

beat saber mod with saber customization

and make the saber guitars

[rustic garnet]

There literally is an actual guitar hero game for oculus

Okay maybe i misremembered not actually guitar hero but still https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/744866972281509/

[grizzled field]

anyone figured out if this^ would work?

[zinc knoll]

I don't think it would work, but I put a post on reddit, so if anyone is gonna know, it'd be reddit

[tawdry dove]

https://twitter.com/UploadVR/status/1659544488140763138

UploadVR (@UploadVR)

Co-founder Jaroslav Beck is stepping down from Beat Games and his role as Beat Saber's Music Director.

More info here: https://t.co/ANSOSRhHTQ

Twitter · May 19, 2023, 1:00 PM

[rancid kestrel]

Does this mean we will get better music?

[grizzled field]

one can only hope

[cobalt geyser]

Beat saber desperately needs more EDM

[gloomy crater]

Wow I don't know how that makes me feel

On one hand, I feel like his music is what brought so many people to the game in the first place early on before custom songs became the main attraction

On the other hand, I'll never forgive him for making an absolute banger version of Country Rounds and then choosing to add a totally gutted and neutered version to the game instead of the full good version

[dull tide]

Just got a pPSvR2. Anyone know any approved cables for it?

[cedar belfry]

just mod the game

[rancid kestrel]

If you want to do that you can.

[weak bluff]

For what

[dull tide]

To extend it.

Was reading that 2m is the max

[gloomy crater]

that seems kinda short

Most ppl with wired headsets I've talked to say that 5m is the sweet spot with 3m being a workable alternative. The PSVR2 is that limited?

[dull tide]

It’s 4 m I think ?currently but another 2

Would help

[frozen zinc]

Has anyone had the issue where they tried to play an oculus game on pc, then once you go back to SteamVR it runs like absolute crap

[weak bluff]

Thats suppose to happen but if its drastic sounds like something else is affecting performance

[frozen zinc]

The issue has persisted ever since i tried to use the oculus app on pc to play VR

[weak bluff]

Do you notice resolution difference between steamvr and oculus program

Check settings

Also try open task manager while both running see what is eating your resource the most

[frozen zinc]

the oculus app is known to use your CPU and GPU lot's but i dont believe this should effect SteamVR, even after multiple restarts

[weak bluff]

Ah no a native steamvr headset would run as good as just Oculus

Oculus taking resource is quite an issue it takes like 200MB of RAM at low spec

Try this https://github.com/LibreQuest/OculusKiller

[frozen zinc]

The thing is though is that the oculus app isn't running

Also im passing it through virtual desktop

i should mention that

[weak bluff]

Aj nvm

I cant help

[lament sedge]

Oculus quest good for beginner on a low budget and wants to use it for vr games and simracing?

[shy thunder]

Yeah I have a Quest 2 I play a couple games on it including Dirt Rally, only thing I would recommend is replacing the strap immediately with the elite strap or something similar

[lament sedge]

ok thanks

[cobalt forge]

pico 4 is better imo

[lament sedge]

for price to

[cobalt forge]

same price as oq2

[lament sedge]

what does it do better?

just curious

[burnt oasis]

higher res, higher fov, pancake lenses

[zinc knoll]

It's just made by tiktok instead of Facebook is the main difference too.

[lament sedge]

Ok thanks ill look into it

[little plinth]

And you don't need to invest in elite strap unlike quest 2

Those straps are quite pricy

It's a true quest killer if it actually has enough software to back it up

[weak bluff]

quest 2 still have good worth in it

[little plinth]

With quest 3 around the corner and pico 4 library growing solid
I don't see a future on quest 2

It's still the most popular headset but really it's the benefit of being first

[weak bluff]

Quest 3 does not replace Quest 2

Developers will still go for Quest store first before considering Pico store

Growing but no sign of overtaking

Especially absent from North America

[haughty thistle]

Also Games owned by Meta will never ever release on the Pico Store. So if what you want is say Pop1 or Beat Saber on standalone, the the Quest is your only option

[sullen linden]

I do wonder how long meta will continue to support the Quest 2 after the 3 comes out before sunsetting it though, I would assume a very long while

[sullen linden]

No clue if that's you taking the picture, but be careful taking it apart, the controllers are hard to pop open and there are plenty of opportunities to rip ribbon cables

[lime pewter]

Why do I always see people talking about haptic gloves, but never just VR gloves...
that just track your movement

[weak bluff]

Making glove is already big investmemt so might as well go further for higher quality matgin

Also glove without haptic exist

Try LucasVR glove

[cobalt geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880197370946658374/1109849656579604551/20230521_092510.jpg

This is an amusing chart.

[lime pewter]

other than not everyone wanting haptics or using it and adding unnecessary bulk in those cases

[weak bluff]

The glove demand is very low you either make expensive high profit margin feature rich glove or sell low margin less feature that does not return you investment

Its just

Business

Cheap glove is profitable when you can sell in mass

[lime pewter]

VR as a whole isn't used by the masses, so...

[weak bluff]

Here you are stuck in issue of not enough game support it, not enough demand for making game, not enouh customers to make games, not enough vr to get customers.

[lime pewter]

mostly surprised by the lack of self tracking controller honestly

closest I've seen is the stuff where you have to hold them in front of you to make them work properly as the headset tracks it or smth

[weak bluff]

Do you have any idea how hard and expensive that is

Ofc its not many since its expensive and if its expensive mass market is not possible

[lime pewter]

looks at the cost of the tracking
yeah... idc

[weak bluff]

Again if you want cheap you must be able to sell in mass

[lime pewter]

its not about cheap

[weak bluff]

Otherwise if you sell expensive you sell smaller quantity

[weak bluff]

Why do you think pro controller is $399?

[lime pewter]

which

also, talking about the cost of base stations, trackers, etc vs just putting it in the hardware and not having to deal with drilling or other obnoxious stuff

[weak bluff]

What?

[lime pewter]

just put inside out on everything imo

its surprising how little there is doing it, even at 3k+ (as in nothing from what I see)

[weak bluff]

What are you talking about

[lime pewter]

??

someone: "the quest headset"
me: "standalone garbo made by a company monitoring you like a dictator"

should just shift away from base stations already...

[weak bluff]

There is inside out tracking

Its the cost effective tracking that is more flexible

[lime pewter]

yet there is basically nothing using it

other than standalone or console stuff that cannot properly be used on PC (and multiple of them being from a horrible company)

and usually still only the headset and controllers being tracked by the headset

[weak bluff]

What do you mean by cannot properly used they work fine

Also you saw Pro controllers they are too expensive toslap slam tracking everywhere

There are still pros using controller track from the headse

[lime pewter]

you mean their insanely bottlenecked experience?

[weak bluff]

Like what

[lime pewter]

tfw talking about stuff like the quest on PC

[weak bluff]

How does that have to do with lack of self tracking controller

[lime pewter]

Read the entire message

“The only thing with it is standalone and console stuff that cannot be properly used on pc and still only the headset and the controller tracked by the headset

[weak bluff]

So you complain about why not everything is self tracked

Or what

[lime pewter]

Why there is no inside out or whatever on pcvr hardware even with varjo aero and up

[weak bluff]

There is just not many in high end

And they are fine

[zinc knoll]

I wonder if it has something to do with that the headset needs processing itself to translate the tracking better costing even more space.

[cedar belfry]

that's me taking the picture, the joystick was like ripped off lmao

[sullen linden]

Ah, yeah it cant really get any worse

[sullen linden]

Oh wow yeah

Its gone lmao

What happened??

[cedar belfry]

My friend, oof, idek... He must have used every cell in his thumb to shear it off

[sullen linden]

Seriously lol

[lime pewter]

the most I've destroyed a joystick is use it for long enough the rubber is gone with just plastic left

[sullen linden]

sheesh

I've had to use isopropyl alcohol on mine every once in a while to fix drift, other than that mine have been fine

[grizzled field]

how would a 2060 do for VR? I found one cheap on facebook marketplace

[zinc knoll]

i have a 2060, so ill let you know if i get any problems with my rift S when it arrives today

[grizzled field]

oh hey thx

[haughty thistle]

2060 should be fine for VR

[zinc knoll]

yea, it works, i was able to PLAY DCS a bit, but idk the perf. (i had a freind with a quest 2 come over and we did some DCS but i never checked the FPS), just probably not the best.

[rancid kestrel]

My 960 worked fine for Beat Saber until I got a 3060 from a friend.

[grizzled field]

ok thx, do you have any idea what the equivalent AMD card would be?

[zinc knoll]

equivalent would probably be Rx 6600

[grizzled field]

oh ok what is the 5000 series equivalent to than?

[zinc knoll]

bc lesser optimization, but more VRAM, so the 6600 would prolly be slightly better.

[zinc knoll]

no idea, idk anything about that gen

[grizzled field]

I don't either XD

hey @haughty thistle help us plz

[zinc knoll]

lmao

[haughty thistle]

Me neither. As much hatred I have on Nvidia for their price policy, I'm still a Team Green boy ^^"

[rancid kestrel]

They just happen to have the best cards, still...

[zinc knoll]

*overall, not in value, but yes.

[rancid kestrel]

I didn't say value.

[tawdry dove]

The 6600 is actually considerably faster

[zinc knoll]

i said that bc AMD has considerably less optimization especially in VR, so id expect the 6600 to be like 10% faster

[tawdry dove]

In all my experience with amd, rx 5000 is hit or miss with drivers, a majority of the time you'll be fine but sometimes it just won't work and I'd be willing to be that the 6000 series will fair better at higher resolutions anyways

Rdna 2 scales a bit better with res

[grizzled field]

yeah, and i doubt there is much of a difference price wise between thhe 2 series

[tawdry dove]

To clarify I mean sometimes you'll just get a card that doesn't like to be stable

Won't crash all the time but crashes a lot more than you'd want

[zinc knoll]

thats fucky wucky

[grizzled field]

MY INNOCENCE

lol

[zinc knoll]

lol

[lime pewter]

you never had any

[grizzled field]

-_- ?

[zinc knoll]

my rift S arrived

[sullen linden]

how did you even get a rift S?

didn't they discontinue that shit years ago?

[zinc knoll]

bought one used for like 85 bucks

ebay

[sullen linden]

shit

[zinc knoll]

yes they did

people like talking about expensive things, and know alot about expensive things, but rarely can afford the expensive things theyre talking about.

this includes me

[grizzled field]

wow, deep bro, you just like summed up society as a whole, in one sentence, can we get like a mod to pin this or something lol

[zinc knoll]

damnit, second time this month

[grizzled field]

😂 when was the first time?

[zinc knoll]

was talking about debates with someone and it resonated with them that they wanted my quote on their quote wall

[rancid kestrel]

I just had a probably stupid thought.

Can you play Smash Ultimate in VR via emulation with the Toycon VR mode and mods?

[grizzled field]

XD I'm going to put it up on my wall now

[zinc knoll]

@grizzled field gonna try DCS tonight, will let you know the perf. on my 2060 and rift s

[grizzled field]

alright nice, I'll be interested in knowing how an unoptimized game like that runs, cause if it can run that, it can probably play pretty much everything I want

[grizzled field]

so how'd it do?

[zinc knoll]

DCS on medium-low (singleplayer) in the F16C runs at about 40 FPS, dipping into the mid 30s for 1% lows according to Nvidia control panel.

[paper granite]

How many people here have ordered the bigscreenVR ... and not own a 3090 or 4090?

[burnt oasis]

y would anyone do that

also why isn't 6950xt or 7900xtx included

[lime pewter]

Probs enough with 4080 instead

[rancid kestrel]

Imagine how awful that AI frame generation would be in VR.

[weak bluff]

What Nvidia should do is use frame generation to make asynchronous timewarp look less sick that will be gamechanging for vr

[haughty thistle]

What help does it do if it adds multiple frames for latency?

Those whole reason ASW is done the way it is, is to reduce it's runtime as much as possible

[zinc knoll]

what price were you looking at for a 2060

[sullen linden]

The only reason im considering it is because i have a 4070 ti

I would never buy a bigscreen otherwise

[zinc knoll]

4070ti should prolly be minimum for bigscreen.

[sullen linden]

True, this hits different lol

[zinc knoll]

lol

[sullen linden]

Yeah, the 4070 works flawless for the quest 2, with low gpu usage on games that are quite ridiculous

[zinc knoll]

VR really only needs VRAM and VRAM bandwidth

[sullen linden]

I don’t know how much of the rendering is on the gpu though, it might not be to taxing to use a bigscreen compared to a index

Yeah, for rendering on the screens, everything else is the game

[zinc knoll]

bigscreen should be a super reverb G2 basically

[sullen linden]

Yeah, I would really wish there were more videos talking about the big screen, I’ll probably end up emailing their support team, asking them about the API used.

they just use steamVR, no?

[zinc knoll]

yea

[sullen linden]

And the only reason I see youd want a better GPU is if your gpu cant handle the resolution of the beyond. It could be that because you’re rendering the game at a higher resolution, it would be a good bit laggier

Of course, assuming the gpu can already handle the vr games you are playing

[burnt oasis]

6650xt has trouble at standard quest 2 res for me in some games

vram bottlenecked

and honestly cpu bottleneck cuz of vrchat

i want to upgrade to a beyond but first i would def upgrade my pc specs

so it would max out my quest 2 while i save up for the beyond and base stations

[sullen linden]

yeah, i would say if you can't handle games at quest 2 resolution in your PC, you should focus on that first, honestly making vr buttery smooth anyway would be a good idea regardless

I did that, I upgraded to a very expensive rig to power vr, and I'm now going to get a beyond most likely

[burnt oasis]

want to get a 4090 so i can max out the tender red lol

and get a ton of skyrim vr mods

and see how it looks on the quest 2 then swap to a big screen

i alreayd know the oled will be game changing for skyrim

especially looking at the night sky

shit looks so gray

and dull reds and blues

still love it tho

even when fighting with a brick strapped to my forehead

[heavy snow]

What do y’all think about the 7900XT with VR? I’d love to start doing some PCVR gaming and I’m planning for a build with the 7900XT. Y’all are all more experienced in this topic than me, do you think it could run high end games and quality graphics in VR?

I’m not extremely familiar yet with how diff hardware looks/works in VR, as I’ve only used the quest 2 at this point. Also I assume they require a lot of CPU as well, I’m planning to have the Ryzen 7 7800X3D.

[zinc knoll]

rx 7000 isnt very optimised for VR rn

sadly lots of problems

[heavy snow]

Do you know what would be more optimized for VR? Ideally around the same price point

[sullen linden]

man I love skyrim vr, but the combat sucks

except bows, bows are great

[heavy snow]

My favorite game in terms of combat is currently blade and sorcery. The mildly realistic physics with a twinge of jank are my favorite kinds of games.

[tawdry dove]

At base quest res? I couldn't have guessed it would bottleneck 8gb that easy tbh

[tawdry dove]

Rx 6000 or rtx 3000

[burnt oasis]

nah it eats my shit up at times, vrchat is intensive i get it but skyrim vr with some mods shouldn't be so intense

[tawdry dove]

Or maybe rtx 4000 if you have the money

A big patch is coming out that is fixing the 7900xtx high idle power bug so I wonder if they are gonna fix up vr performance

[heavy snow]

Do you think it’s a driver issue that could be fixed in time, or a hardware issue?

[tawdry dove]

I think it is a driver issue at least partially yes

I would not buy a card based off the expectation it will be better in the future

[zinc knoll]

you shouldnt do that at all ever

[zinc knoll]

if you want a good card for that rn, your best bet is the 4080, otherwise if you can wait, wait.

if you could find a 3090 on ebay, and your PSU can handle it, get the 3090 bc it doesnt have a tiny memory bus like the 4080 (tiny relative to what it has)

VR is highly dependent on VRAM

not saying its bad, just suboptimal

[grizzled field]

found one on facebook marketplace, $150

[zinc knoll]

go for it

if it works

150 is a steal imo

[grizzled field]

yeah description said works, he had just upgraded

[zinc knoll]

you can only get 6500xts for 150

slight memory OC and youre gonna be running all day with Rift CV1

[grizzled field]

I found a 6600 XT and a ryzen 7 5800x3d used working for $280

[zinc knoll]

oahoahaosh

ummm i might take that tbh if you can afford the rest of the PC, or you can just flip the 5800x3d for 280 on its own.

[grizzled field]

wait refreshed the page and it was taken down XD someone already got it oof

[zinc knoll]

lmao

[grizzled field]

whats the difference between 2060 and 2060 super? I found a 2060 super $200

[zinc knoll]

2060 super has more Cuda cores and slightly better memory bandwidth

idk if its worth 200 over an rx 6600 tho

bc the 6600 has 8g of vram

[grizzled field]

yeah I'll look for some 6600's see if there are any of those around

ooof a 6600 for $125 but its in an entirely different state, I'd probably spend twice that price in gas XD

[paper granite]

Okay, my concern was lack of VRAM for the resolution of bigscreen, not the power of the GPU

[grizzled field]

I found a quest 2 on facebook marketplace for $120 should I get it or is it a scam? Here's the description:
Like new Meta (Oculus) Quest 2 WITH travel case and charging cord/block. Bought it back in October, works perfectly fine and is super fun, just don’t use as much anymore.
Asking $120 obo, shipping available. Please message before buying, feel free to ask questions!

hey @zinc knoll what do you think of this^?

[paper granite]

I have a 3080ti and intend to try it and see what happens, but increasing the render resolution in steam to suit bigscreen results in it falling to 4fps

[grizzled field]

oof I don't think that's quite a playable framerate XD

[zinc knoll]

If there is a way for you to test it while you're picking it up do that

[grizzled field]

no it ships

[zinc knoll]

Oh it's probably fine

You can ask him to take apic thru the lenses

[paper granite]

no, not really, I was only looking at beat saber, and nothing else, but from all I can tell it is vram to blame

[grizzled field]

alright than, I'mma probably get it lol

[zinc knoll]

The 3080 would be great for VR if it had more vram...

[paper granite]

That I think is the only issue

I am thinking about buying a 4090 and just being done with it, but I really don't want to support nVidias pricing

well, it isn't shipping till Q4 so hopefully 4090 price drops by then

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/UploadVR/status/1661039383326105600

UploadVR (@UploadVR)

Bigscreen Beyond preorders are now available via 3 year financing, starting at $32/month.

Full details here:

https://t.co/Yx3CtJDSRI

Likes

115

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 4:00 PM

Also Tundra is available to sell 1 tracker now https://tundra-labs.com/products/additional-tracker

[burnt oasis]

1080ti cheaper then that by a lot, it's $135

[grizzled field]

is it better tho?

[burnt oasis]

4090 is okayish at its price since it was given everything and is literally a beast, but yea would be nicer at like $1200-1400

[burnt oasis]

it is about the same as a 2070 super i believe with better bandwidth and more vram (it beats the 3060 at least)

[grizzled field]

rlly? wow that might actually be a good buy, how does it perform in VR?

[burnt oasis]

i would assume it performs pretty damn amazing since it has no limitations of its generation, as in lots of vram, 384 bit bus so it will do better at higher resolutions and settings, only downside is it pulls like 250w

also no dlss ofc

[grizzled field]

yeah the powerdraw is kind of high, but I'd probably undervolt it

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btw the 1080 ti at 135 is a water cooled one

so it's gud

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seriously for $135 its water cooled?

[burnt oasis]

yes

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what price are aircooled then?

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where did you find it? they're like 250 on Newegg

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used bruh

ofc not new

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oh lol imma check facebook marketplace

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check ebay it's on there