#virtual-reality

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harsh niche
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I get that

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recently I’ve played maybe 2 hours of games a week I just can’t get into it

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idk what happened it just died to me

lime pewter
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I personally hate games where you "reset" every time
and dislike FPS and Moba because team based games with randoms on top of it
and MMORPG is basically the only genre that doesn't force either on you

harsh niche
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exactly that’s the worst part of fps games the randos

lime pewter
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I like being able to continue playing, continue progressing infinitely

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not reset every time I beat something

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or have to do team plays with people that you don't know the play style of
instead with MMORPGs you have guild wars, bosses, etc, with people you might even know ingame for thousands of hours

harsh niche
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if you want something grindy I’d recommend space engineers but it’s not an mmo

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it took me 20 hours just to get to space and that’s just the start

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idk if you’re into that though

lime pewter
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only 20 hours?

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harsh niche
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God damn

lime pewter
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some 2015 game, would've been longer if I didn't quit 2 years total

harsh niche
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what’s it about?

lime pewter
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that is an MMORPG, tho nothing to do with the chat's topic of VR

harsh niche
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O oops lol

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kinda went off track

lime pewter
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90% of the game is endgame tho, and has a pretty small playerbase, and has been in decline since 2018-2019 because of some honestly terrible update

lime pewter
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A good vrmmo would be insane tho

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Second life in a fantasy world, won’t be seeing that until vr gets big enough tho
Mmorpgs cost a shit ton to produce and to keep online easily into the 100mil for a big one

rancid kestrel
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I probably have more than that in Minecraft.

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If I want to go insane, is there a source VR thing?

lime pewter
rancid kestrel
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My most played Steam game is Enter the Gungeon at nearly 300 IIRC.

lime pewter
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My highest is the one above, second highest is warframe at about 500 iirc, then some game called robocraft with like 250 or smth (used to be pretty fun all the way around like alpha days)

pale orbit
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releases tomorrow

rancid kestrel
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I was thinking Portal (2) because that sounds like absolute suffering.

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It would be cool though.

rancid kestrel
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Is it just me or is Beat Saber scaled differently than it used to be?

pale orbit
pale orbit
lime pewter
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Who cares, it is Meta's...
have anyone else make it, even if it is google, some sketchy chinese company, etc

little plinth
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Anyone here with AMD RX 6600/XT and the quest 2?
I'm wondering how the experience is like

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Because i heard because amd encoder the experience with VD/Link sucks

pale orbit
lime pewter
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0.0 hrs

flint ridge
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bone lab be like

rapid otter
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Looks amazing

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Gonna be so fun

dull tide
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I was using some binoculars the other day and thought to my self “wow the frame rate and clarity on these are super smooth”

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Then I realized they werent an HMD harold

robust dawn
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Does just leaving your vr headset not in use degrade its battery. I bought an oculus go a couple years ago but have rarely used it, last time I used it was probably over 6 months ago and before that probably another 6 month gap. But today when I put it on it drained 10% in about 2 minutes

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Then I tried to use it plugged in (it uses micro usb charging) and it rose to 10% while idle in like 2 minutes, but then watching youtube with it plugged in it slowly started to drain again

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Also, how much do you think a crappy vr headset with a shotty batter is worth?

haughty thistle
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Any battery self-discharges with time. Depending on the battery type and composition, that self discharge may be more or less. It is not recommended leaving at battery at either end of it's charge range for long periods of time, as that's when the battery cells are under the most stress. Leaving it at a low charge also has the issue that through self discharge, that the battery can discharge itself beyond designed limits, further hurting the battery.
Friendly reminder: please plug in your stuff at least once a year and top them up to like 70% if not used. It'll prolong the life of the battery massively 🙂

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Normally tho, within a year, an unused battery should only loose about 5-10 percent-points. Unless the device is in standby ofc. Then the battery drain isn't due to self discharge, but standby power draw

lime pewter
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I never charge anything past like 85%, lel
30-80% for the most part
only when I cannot charge the device I drop below or when I am charging when sleeping/away it goes over

robust dawn
haughty thistle
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It's not that the capacity goes down by that much. It just discharges, as if you used the device

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What you explained there is not normal, and could hint at a fauty battery

lime pewter
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used to have a phone that while turned off, lost like 50-60% of its battery life in like 6 hours

haughty thistle
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ofc Batteries degrade. But more due to heat, how fast you force a charge reversal on them (aka how fast you charge them), how often you recharge them and how much you allow them to discharge below 0%

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The last one is probably the most damaging, but most batteries also have like 5% left when they report as 0. Not all do tho, so I'd be careful not to discharge a battery fully...

robust dawn
lofty sleet
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i got access to vail finally :D

restive ivy
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Okay question
Do I get the tundra labs trackers for an 11 point fullbody
Or do I get the vive 3.0 trackers
Disregarding price
I understand the size difference

haughty thistle
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I'd say Tundra, even if it's just for the dongles. Vive Trackers with their 1 Tracker = 1 Dongle thing can be a pain to wire up...

dull tide
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Was the sale for the oculus link cable a temporary thing? Was kind of hoping it was permanent while I mulled it over :/

rose peak
dull tide
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It’s mostly seated VR anyway so might as well get it

restive ivy
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Too bad tundra stopped making the tw7

haughty thistle
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The SW5 and SW7 had a heat issue tho

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The hub chip they were able to source was an old and very inefficient design, which makes it go really hot. They're fine if you put them up on a cradle, or in general when it got access to lots of fresh air, but it ain't a good look...
I'm pretty happy with my SW5 dongle, but it still get's really toasty. You wouldn't wanna unplug it right after a VR session mildpanic

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You're right, the Tundra dongle does work with Vive Trackers. It's still easier to get them all from one place 😉
And I'll be real here, the smaller size and weight of the Tundra Tracker helps a lot for mounting them on your arms imo. Even with the rubber straps included with the OG Kickstarter packages I think are quite comfortable for that (wouldn't wanna use them for anything else tho)

restive ivy
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So I understand the tundra are smaller and lighter but what about tracking

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I've been told the 3.0 has less jitter

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And occludes less than the tundra

rancid kestrel
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The price has to go somewhere.

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Has anyone played with those DIY gloves yet?

swift herald
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I never knew oculus has a heart for its version number. Thanks

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haughty thistle
# restive ivy I've been told the 3.0 has less jitter

Personally I haven't experienced any jitter with the Tundras. And regarding the occlusion, well, that's the thing with smaller objects. There's less area for tracking, so less area needs to be occluded to interrupt tracking. The 3.0s have that same issue compared to 2.0s
It's only something you notice when putting them side by side. Pick whatever is cheaper for you, I guess...

lime pewter
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saw something about trackers coming that don't need any external sensor or smth

finite yarrow
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Can you run a vpn on an oculus? Say for the sake of watching movies away from home

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Thought it could be fun to bring it on a trip for media, but was curious if i could make it talk to my home computers

haughty thistle
lime pewter
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just something I came a cross a while ago just scrolling

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looks like a mess tho, with sizes and everything basically just being clothing..
was like 300 or smth tho (well technically infinite because it is/was pre-order)

haughty thistle
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Ah. You mean the HaritoraX

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All IMU based (so you need to strap a bunch of stuff to your body and not just 3 little trackers)

lime pewter
rancid kestrel
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Honestly it all sounds too good to be true, there's a reason we don't just use the 6DOF sensors that already existed.

haughty thistle
# rancid kestrel Honestly it all sounds too good to be true, there's a reason we don't just use t...

Actually, you can do what's called skeletal tracking using just IMUs. The length of your bones ain't gonna be changing any time soon. So when you just measure the relative rotation between bones, you can approximate the end position pretty well. But here's the problem: the spine is a bunch of little articulating bones and that's where these kinda tracking systems often fall apart. Both the HaritoraX and SlimeVR (also an IMU-only based tracking solution) require constant re-calibration. Not just the spine is an issue. If any of your IMUs slips from it's originally calibrated position, the tracking can result in unpredictable manners...
But yeah, when using good skeletal tracking, you'd only need to 6DOF track one point on the entire body and you can interpolate the rest.

rancid kestrel
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Which is why I don't think it's going to work that well. The trackers can't be rigidly fixed to you and there are a lot of weird little movements you can do.

lime pewter
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never seen anything for the rest

haughty thistle
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They may not expose those tracking points, but with the all IMU based stuff, they still need to keep track of that

pale orbit
harsh niche
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does amd still have issues with vr?

pale orbit
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`PICO 4 starts at 429 Euros.

Pre-order for PICO 4 will start on the 23rd of September.`

haughty thistle
# harsh niche does amd still have issues with vr?

Outside of that their DSC implementation sucks, not that I know of.
Why is DSC important? Well, some HMDs make heavy use of DSC to push resolutions way beyond what's possible with a single cable rn (take the Varjo Aero for example). Problem is, AMD cards can't compress that much data into the streams they require. The result is that those HMDs flat out won't work on AMD GPUs

rapid otter
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I have a 2060 and.i struggle to run certain games would getting a 2080 be a good/worth upgrade or should I go higher ?

pale orbit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-uXpo_zJc

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MRTV - MIXED REALITY TV
PICO 4 HANDS-ON - How Good Is The Headset That Could Change The VR ...

The Pico 4 is upon us! I had the chance to give it a try and in this video I will let you know about my very first impression of the headset. Could this be the headset to shake up the VR industry?

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🔴 Connect with Team MRTV:
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Marco - marco@mrtv.co
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rancid kestrel
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How does that connect to a PC?

haughty thistle
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According to the spec sheet, it looks like via USB or Wifi only, no more native DP, like with the Pico Neo 3 😦

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Also, with how close the strap get's to the ears, while also not being low profile basically means that any sort of over-ear headphones are also unusable on it. So you better hope that the built-in audio is good (if it's anything like on the Quest, then goodbye audio quality)

rancid kestrel
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So it's a phone?

haughty thistle
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Basically VR like on the Quest

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Only in degraded quality, either over regular Wifi or USB

lime pewter
harsh niche
haughty thistle
# harsh niche Does that mean amd cards are worse for streaming too?

DSC is hardware implemented compression, with dedicated hardware for each DP output. It has nothing to do with the compression used for streaming.
But yeah, last comparison I've seen from Radeon streaming compression vs NVENC, NVENC was almost as good as CPU encoding and AMDs was a lot worse...

harsh niche
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oh rip

formal sleet
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fortnite in VR?

rancid kestrel
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Where are those cool VR gloves online?

rancid kestrel
dull tide
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Anyone been playing HL2VR? Been looking for mods to use with it. Probably a 4K texture pack. Also anyone have a control/movement scheme other than default they like?

gilded sapphire
flint ridge
formal willow
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if it doesn't make me sick its not good

dull tide
gilded sapphire
lofty sleet
lime pewter
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China having your data > FB/Meta having your data

harsh niche
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uh idk about that one

haughty thistle
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Meta is just going to advertise with your data, and the US Secret service at worst is going to raid your home. The Chinese however... Censorship and forced labor camp. How 'bout that...
I agree neither is great. It's like having to choose between pest and colera...

lime pewter
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both are terrible, but I still prefer not being spam called by random companies about stuff idgaf about (not like I live in US anyway)

ocean tangle
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Can’t wait to move again so I can play hotdogs horseshoes and hand grenades

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I have to protect my 38th spot on the leaderboard

dull tide
spring crater
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does the valve index ever go on sale? hoping to get myself one this holiday season.

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or perhaps the next iteration of it if such a thing is rumored.

gloomy crater
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It never goes on sale from valve / first party sale. The only way to get it for lower than valve's MSRP is through a dropshipper or buying a used one. This is pure speculation, but there's a chance they may lower the price of it once deckard / whatever comes out next releases. However, more it's more likely they'd discontinue it entirely to move that manufacturing capacity over to the new hardware and only discount the remaining units to get rid of them faster, so you'd have to be quick in that regard. Even if that does happen, there's no telling when it would be likely to. Could be years from now tbh, but if you're willing to wait that long then more power to you.

dull tide
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Hate to say it but the Valve index, despite being 'really good' imho, is a bit long in the tooth and is due for a refresh

gloomy crater
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Agreed. The experience is superb, but the fact that I can use my $1700 GPU to push it to 200% artificial render resolution and have it still look worse than the Reverb G2 is a bit disappointing. I'd really like to have some of the more modern features like eye tracking, lenses with less glare, native wireless PCVR integration, and hyper detailed levels of pixel density, but I'd still rather have the ease of use and integration of the current index than give it up for all of that stuff like I would be if I swapped to something like a Reverb G2.

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That's why I'm hoping all of the above will be included in whatever valve's next headset will be. So that I don't have to compromise on features for functionality anymore

dull tide
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Meanwhile I spend like $300 on my base Quest 2. Purchased about $40 in games so far.
Then last month bought $100 in prescription lenses.
And another $50 in a Bobo M2 Headset.
Spending another $35 in grips and another $25 in a cable to try to reduce latency when playing Hl2.

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VR is a 2 months on 2 months off for me.

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Sometimes it feels wrong to be buying more accessories for a platform I'm feeling is half out the door, and then I try VR again and I'm like "yes I want this money pit"

gloomy crater
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Well, here's a comprehensive list of all of my VR purchases so far: $400 for my quest 1 back in 2020, then another $120 for a DAS and the adapter for it. $70 for prescription lenses. $50 for a quest copy of beat saber and some of the DLC songs, a $20 link cable, and a $400 graphics card (if it weren't for VR, I would never have upgraded from a 4gb RX570 to a 5700XT). Then I spent $150 on PCVR games. Sold my quest, oculus account/games, and accessories to my mom for $500 and spent $600 on a barely used full index kit in October of 2020. Another $70 for new prescription lenses. Bought $115 of kiwi accessories for my sister's Quest 2 plus a whole $400 HP Reverb G2 since I owed her a bunch of money. That's about all I can think of. And yes, I do regret a great many of these purchases. If I could go back, I would skip the Quest 1 and go straight to the index, I would forego buying a $1700 6900XT and just keep my 5700XT since it worked just fine up to that point, and I'd probably wait for some of the games I don't play as much to have gone on sale before I bought them.

dull tide
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I'm considering getting the quest pro if it has full body tracking/face tracking, probably hand my quest 2 down to my brother or other family members for 60-80% of what I paid for the hardware new. or just use it as a demonstrator accessories and all.

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Right now I'm considering getting the bobovr active ventilated facial interface. the VR cover setup looks tempting but I'm on the fence between the two.

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right now I'm just using the stock facial interface with the free silicone covers they gave out a few months ago

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Figured out why I couldnt figure out the slide release on the pistol in HL2VR.
Theres a grip button and a trigger button on either side.
To pull the slide back, instead of using the grip button (which you use to pick up objects and interact with doors), you need to pull the left TRIGGER button to grab the slide.

gilded sapphire
dull tide
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im in between the bobo vr active, the bobo ventilated, and the vr cover

pseudo wing
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i have a quest 2 that i want to use wirelessly but the wifi card in my laptop sucks

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so

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i want to connect the vr to my phone through hotspot and then tether my phone to the computer

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how do i bridge the tether network and hotspot network

jagged patio
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Has anyone look into force enabling features disabled unless you have Nvidia flag ship cards using Nvidia profile inspector?

On desktop you can enable Ansel without a supported card or rtx voice. So logically it just software lock. So wondering if any tried it for Theo vr features. Gonna try later

gilded sapphire
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but results may vary

pseudo wing
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but

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they operate on different networks

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so my tether cant see my hotspot network

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i need to somehow bridge them

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or figure out how to just use the university wifi

harsh niche
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iPhone hotspots use cellular only

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so it would just be quest —> phone —> cell tower

haughty thistle
# pseudo wing i want to connect the vr to my phone through hotspot and then tether my phone to...

While this may work, it won't work very great. USB tethering isn't very great. It's slow (the link between PC and phone), it has high response times (aka high latency), and unreliable...
This is with an Android Phone bridging the Internet between my PC and the main Wifi Router.
Don't think you could bridge a Wifi Hotspot on your Phone to a USB Tethering connection between phone and PC tho...

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At least whenever I turn on Wifi Hotspot, the option to enable USB tethering grays out and vice versa

pseudo wing
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ill just buy a cable like a normal person

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got any recommendations for long usb C cables ?

pseudo wing
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linua needs to get his lab up and testing some cables lol

gilded sapphire
haughty thistle
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The cable combo I use for my Quest is a 0.9m Anker PowerLine (USB 3.0) cable with a 5m UGreen USB 3.0 extension. works just fine 🙂

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Just make sure that whatever cable (combo) you end up with is 5 meters or longer. Shorter cables will pull you out of the expereince

dull tide
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Literally lol

rancid kestrel
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I don't use a cable for my Vive. :-)

pseudo wing
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i could also just get a cheap router

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cuz it works perfectly fine with laptop ethernet > wap > headset

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its just the wifi card sucks on this laptop

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dont ever buy a gaming laptop btw

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this cable looking juicy

rancid kestrel
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Not lucky, I spent money on it.

pseudo wing
rancid kestrel
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It's a computer, not a networking protocol.

gilded sapphire
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the laptop however works great for what it was made for

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faster than the school ones with real GPUs lol

pseudo wing
gilded sapphire
pseudo wing
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90 fps elden ring full settings

pseudo wing
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ik

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that why im deciding new wireless ap usb wifi card or wire

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if i go the new wifi card can i use it as a hotspot to direct connect the quest ?

rancid kestrel
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It's more expensive now...

pseudo wing
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ah yes 350 usd

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and out of stock

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for my oculus quest 2

rancid kestrel
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I was being complete.

pseudo wing
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ay yeah if i had that money id buy the kit too

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instead of my budget qvr and makeshift hotspots

rancid kestrel
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Oh wow, no Vive support anymore.

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I got mine before I couldn't, nice.

dull tide
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Oof. Real difference between wireless and wired

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For HL2VR

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Especially trying to ADS

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Found myself focusing on one eye (I don’t close the other) and notice a real quality drop when doing so

grizzled crag
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I just prefer wired all the way

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I have a shitty quest and ofc wireless is gonna suck balls

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So I just use link

haughty thistle
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Just wait till you experience the quality boost a native DP connection brings ('cause in my experience, even using a cable, the PCVR image looks muddy and blurry on the Quest)

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Kinda sad that Pico dropped wired support all together on the Neo 4. Might've considered it, if that wasn't the case...

gilded sapphire
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You can’t trust any of the VR maker

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Maybe Valve but the HTC is in need of a new version

haughty thistle
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And then there's Varjo:
Really high end hardware, but priced like a product for Business Use Only, and software with some unfortunate flaws...

gilded sapphire
short burrow
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New here, but this might be of help to some people. 🙂

cold wasp
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I need help finding out what pc parts to buy for just vrchat ik what case i want tho and i heard parts are getting cheaper but what a decent pc build just for vrchat plus slimevr trackers

Sorry idk where to ask this question at or how to get help but i own a quest 2

rustic garnet
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Which headset?

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oh

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im silly

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Vrchat is generally awfully unoptimized due to all the user generated content (800k poly anime avatars with countless physbones), but at least you can block custom models iirc

haughty thistle
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Also, VRChat is incredibly single core bound. You can only parallelise so much netcode, before it starts breaking network connections...
So yeah, you wanna choose your GPU based on what Headset you wanna go with, but for the CPU, go with whatever has the best Single Core performance for your budget, while still retaining 6 or more cores...

rose peak
gilded sapphire
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Whats the best way to do Mixed reality beatsaber

dull tide
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Trying to get Quest Link working on a Bobo VR cable I bought ended up breaking my VR setup -.-

twin dust
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What is the best Vr head set for under 800 Canadian dollars for my pc

rancid kestrel
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I wouldn't think VR chat would be particularly thread bound. Networking and rendering can be parallelized pretty well...

haughty thistle
# gilded sapphire Whats the best way to do Mixed reality beatsaber

Using Liv, a decent quality dedicated camera as a "webcam" and a proper greenscreen. You can do it without a Greenscreen if you have an Nvidia RTX card, but the results ain't too hot: https://youtu.be/gg6h7uGGQOU

YouTube
Chickenbread
LIV without Greenscreen or special camera Demo

So, it turns out you can use Nvidia Broadcast in combination with LIV to capture Mixed Reality content without a large Green- or Bluescreen.

It's not perfect as you can see, especially in sub-optimal conditions as in my case, but the fact that it does work is impressive enough for me.
If there's enough interest, I might do a tutorial on how to ...

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Granted, for that clip I was just using my Logitech C920, but even with a camcoard plugged into a capture card has similar issues:

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You defo want a camera that can do 60fps tho

rustic garnet
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For high quality roomscale pcvr i still think the index kit is the best all rounder

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But that might be out of your budget

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The Quest 2 is a really good piece of hardware but the lack of native PCVR connections really gimps it in my opinion

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fr they already have a usb-c port there just make it support DP alt mode

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Because as it stands currently you're gonna be compressing the video stream to usb 2 speeds

haughty thistle
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The Reverb G2 is right in the budget, and actually a pretty good headset. Just the lack of touch senstivity on the controllers makes it not that great for games like VRChat, which make heavy use of that...

rustic garnet
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The g2 has the same displays as the index right

haughty thistle
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You can work around the lack of touch sensitivity tho. It's not a total deal breaker, but definetly something to keep in mind

rustic garnet
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Wait none at all?

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Eh i mean the vive controllers are pretty much just guns

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Also if you're willing to buy used hardware you could probably cram v1 steamvr base stations, index controllers and a headset in the budget

haughty thistle
# rustic garnet The g2 has the same displays as the index right

Uhh... no? The G2 screens are significantly better. Not just are they higher res on the G2, but also have better colors and better contrast. The lenses are pretty good too, but there's a noticeable blue shift towards the edges which may appear as if the lens is blurry or smth. The Audio solution is straight from Valve, and sounds pretty much identical. The mic is a different part tho (so not studio quality, but still a lot better then what you may find on say a Vive or Pimax)

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What I mean by blue shift is Chormatic Abberation. The Blue doesn't look like a different color, it's just not in the right place. A problem every headset has and tries to fix it by shifting the individual color components on the screen, so they appear correct TTL. It's not always perfect, and can also differ based on how you're wearing the headset

rustic garnet
rustic garnet
haughty thistle
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Well it is possible to mitigate in hardware to a degree, it just requires a few more then just 2 stacked lenses. Look at cameras. While high-end camera lenses still have some CA, it's not nearly to the degree VR lenses have. But those camera lenses often are also 6 or more elements with physical spacing in-between. You just don't have that space in a VR headset.
And let's be real here, unlike a camera, where you can't control the incoming light, with VR, you can tweak the incoming light to a shape that appears correct to the observer on the other side of the lens. Current CA mitigation algos are pretty good at hiding it. At least for Fresnell Lenses. Aspheric & Pancak ones introduce a whole nother level of complexity, as with those smooth lenses, the angle and center point the user looks through the lens can have a massive impact on CA. Varjo has been struggling for years to get the problem under control on their HMDs...

cold wasp
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Ok yeah im a quest 2 user and i just wanna know where to find good parts to build a decent pc

harsh niche
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micro center

cold wasp
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Ok

cinder basin
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who is excited for bonelab

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just imagine gmod on quest 2 thats gonna be great

dull tide
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Well technically you can play GMOD in VR….

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And by gmod you mean a shitload of LUA and scripted assets with varying degrees of quality and Optomization doing physics based shenanigans turning a game that can run on 1.2 GB VRAM to a clusterfuck that struggles to run on a 3070 cause you got 300 mods running.

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Not going to lie it’s fun AF.

pale orbit
rustic garnet
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Except running standalone on quest of course, that's quite nice

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But i feel like the biggest area of potential improvement in BW is how the physics interact with you, because a lot of the time it feels like you're fighting against them

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(also i haven't even finished boneworks yet because my pc has been acting up ever since this summer)

gloomy crater
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So I played through a bit of bone lab before dinner, and I gotta say: It runs like hot garbage compared to boneworks

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Like, based on the system requirements, I was at least expecting my 5900X + 6900XT setup to do relatively well with it, but at anything above 150% RR on my index, it chugs, and the point where it's playable doesn't look very good at all. Textures and surface edges are pixelated, the new nullbody design is dumb, and I'm gonna have to go get a tape measure because just with the basic height and shirt size metric, the pockets are in a totally different location than they were in Boneworks, leading me to drop stuff on the ground by accident constantly

narrow adder
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i rage quit

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i may be very bad at bonelab parkour

gloomy crater
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So I picked it back up after dinner and finished a few of the lab modes. Doing the parkour and void battery arena reminded me of how much I hate the way that the marrow engine handles movement and sprinting. If you're moving forward, or in the direction that you're facing, that's great. If you DARE to move any direction but straight in front of you, your sprint speed gets deactivated and your movement speed is reduced to 3/4 your normal walking speed, which will then increase to a bit fast than your normal walking speed when 'sprinting' in any direction but forward. I guess the devs didn't want you to be able to move at sprint speed in all directions and at all times so they implemented these dumb restrictions that activate in a way that I can only describe as the opposite as seamless. Going from sprint speed to slower than my normal walking speed because I dare move my stick 10 degrees to the left of straight forward is infuriating.

unborn forge
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I have done some really motion sickness inducing stuff in vr but I have never wanted to vomit so bad after driving in bonelabs it’s awful

gloomy crater
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Eh, I'm pretty resistant to motion sickness but I haven't gotten to do any driving yet so we'll have to see if I have the same issue

rustic garnet
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lol told you

rustic garnet
flint ridge
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Honestly bonelab can get janky but the atmosphere and physics are so good it’s worth 40 bucks. Also bone lore is epic

pale orbit
gloomy crater
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You also gotta remember that modding is supposed to be an integral part of the game, like GMod. So just because I hate the movement physics and the performance doesn't mean someone isn't going to release mods in the future that patch movement, optimize the game a bit better, and some other stuff I'd like to see added. So just because the experience is jank right now doesn't mean it'll stay that way forever like some games.

rustic garnet
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Yeah but don't buy a promise

gloomy crater
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Buy the soundtrack tho. That shit slaps

cinder basin
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Bonelab has a great potential, but motion sickness is the main problem

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Also the physics engine can act extremely weird

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But this engine is also the selling point so yeah...

rustic garnet
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Honestly untill they get the physics as polished as the baked interactions in your half-life: alyx it'll stay a gimmick

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Bw is like the jp trespasser of vr while we're waiting for the HL2

dull tide
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Wish there was a discount on boneworks before Bonelab.

dull tide
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I’m still debating whether I should just buy boneworks For the plot before diving into bonelab

lime pewter
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wonder how much % will choose female character and/or anime character

rustic garnet
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Also the boneworks plot is pretty fuzzy or maybe im just stupid

rapid otter
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It's a real mindfuck

rustic garnet
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But i for one don't really get what's going on

rapid otter
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Long version

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I recommend watching the long one

dull tide
rustic garnet
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booblab more like

finite yarrow
# rustic garnet booblab more like

Half these horny ass kids

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harsh niche
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🤨

dull tide
rustic garnet
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well there's a reason im studying to become an engineer not a comedian

gloomy crater
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So I wasn't able to actually play bonelabs on the day it came out because I was stuck at work (my second to last day, too) so instead I spent the day going through the soundtrack since I still had my phone on me. I gotta say, when I first listened to them, there were a BUNCH of songs that just made me go 'these are weird and I don't see any way they could work in a game setting' and was pleasantly surprised when those same songs showed up in settings perfectly encapsulated by the wacky music

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It's kinda like the museum music from the first game. It sounds super dumb when you listen to it on its own, but then you listen to it in the gift shop and you're like 'yeah that's museum gift shop music all right'

wise crescent
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To me the game was bit disappointingly short, finished it in 6 hours in two sessions

rustic garnet
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How long did boneworks take you?

wise crescent
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8-10 I think? Possibly more

rapid otter
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It seems it's not really finished

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Look at this vid it should tell you how to continue

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I haven't played the game yet so idk

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I am waiting for my new GPU and for the bugs to be patched

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I am patient

wise crescent
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I didn't encounter any bugs on my playthrough, the only thing that was bad was the load times

gloomy crater
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After watching that video, yeah I was totally one of the people who brought the gacha balls around with me bc in the first game you needed a reclaimation bin and I didn't know I had to use both hands to open them. Now, whenever I spawn into the bone lab, the two balls I had with me from the intro sequence are there as well, and when I open them, it says 'Eder22 Unlocked'

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Right now I'm about two 1-hour sessions into the game, I've only just passed the big plug in the floor right after first getting to the bone lab. Dunno how much of the game I have left but from the amount of stuff I've heard and seen about future levels, I should have quite the ways to go. My first boneworks playthrough took about 14 hours as comparison

gilded sapphire
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Future VR rig

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any feedback on the accessories?

rapid otter
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I gotta say that the dark rock pro is amazing

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I have a pro 3 and it's cooling my 150w CPU really easily

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Tho i would get a better GPU you are spending 3 thousand on the whole thing but only 400 $ on the GPU

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A 3060 ti 8g is fine but i think you should go higher than that

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@gilded sapphire

gilded sapphire
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The GPU crisis is mostly over but the waters are filled with wet GPUs from miners

haughty thistle
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Instead of spending a f'ck ton on RGB and 400$ on an i7, maybe consider investing that money more into the GPU. an i5 is absolutely fine for gaming, VR or not (and despite the memes, RGB does not improve performance)

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Unless you've already spend that money, that'd be unfortunate, but can't be helped...

gilded sapphire
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same with the racing stuff

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priority is VR for classes

haughty thistle
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👍

gilded sapphire
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Yes, I take VR/Game dev classes.. Yes it **isn't **as fun as it sounds

haughty thistle
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Just make sure to not place bare RGB strips in the room. I don't think they affect IR-light based tracking like what's on the Quest 2, but just to be on the safer side, I'd recommend buying diffused ones for room lighting.
A friend of mine has bare RGB strips for room lighting, and I know for a fact that it messes with the tracking on WMR headsets like the Reverb G2. Just figured I'd mention it 🙂

gilded sapphire
haughty thistle
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I mean, as long as the bare strip isn't visible to the cameras, you should be fine

gilded sapphire
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Ah ok

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I am going to use purple for vapor wave anyway lol

dull tide
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Getting real bad latency +10-18 seconds in some games

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Might just wait for a 4080 before trying other VR games

gilded sapphire
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make sure it's USB 3.2

dull tide
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render latency

rustic garnet
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What gpu

lusty cosmos
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So right now I have 2 profiles or accounts on my quest and each time I put it on it asks if I am in the right profile. Is there a way to turn that off so that it just gets into the last used profile without asking? maybe some adb command or something?

rapid otter
quiet temple
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I was very dissapointed to hear on Wan that tiltbrush had been discontinued

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What other good alternatives exist

rustic garnet
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That was ages ago

pale orbit
pale orbit
quiet temple
dull tide
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Same

pallid hatch
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Does anyone know how intel a770 preformance is in vr?

haughty thistle
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Did the cards even ship yet?

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I'd expect VR performance to be similar to the Nvidia/AMD counterparts tho...

rancid kestrel
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With how buggy it is you might want to wait for VR.

rapid otter
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Drivers will be a pain for VR

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It certainly doesn't have support yet

cinder basin
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whoa thats awesome the circle is officially complete

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gm_construct on bonelab

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someone modded gm_construct in bonelab

pale orbit
gloomy crater
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That's quite a wacky rumor you've got there

pale orbit
gloomy crater
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So due to circumstances I can't really go into, I'm now in possession of a Kiwi design quest 2 audio strap with nothing to put it on. Are there any other headsets on the market that are compatible with the quest 2's strap mounts?

gaunt silo
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haughty thistle
edgy cipher
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Hi im looking to buy a VR what do you guys recommend i dont need the BEST of the best out there

tight elk
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Best of the best is piemax with index knuckles

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Medium is oculus quest 2

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Worst is google cardboard

haughty thistle
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Guess my message was banned >.>

edgy cipher
haughty thistle
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If all you want is to play PCVR, the best option rn is the Revberb G2. It has some short comings when it comes to the controllers, but they really aren't a major downer, despite what some Meta shills try to make you belive.
If you also want to play VR without a PC, then you have one or two options, depending on the Region:
The Meta Quest 2 is available pretty much everywhere, but it's already 2 years old and will probably be replaced in the next year with an upgraded model. It also requires you to create an account with Meta, who are basically Facebook with a raincoat on.
Alternatively, in the EU, China and Japan, there's the Pico Neo 4 launching later this year, which is basically a better Quest 2 in every regard (it's even cheaper then it, if you wanna believe it). But it's downside is, that Meta has bought up most successful VR game companies, so forget about playing games like Beat Saber on it. Well, you still can with a PC, just not on standalone. Another downside is that Pico is a chinese company and were recently bought up by ByteDance (who are, when it comes to privacy, even worse then Facebook)

haughty thistle
# tight elk Best of the best is piemax with index knuckles

Would never recommend a Pimax HMD to a newcomer. Even someone who's been in VR for a while, I'd still shy away from flat out recommending them. Pimax hardware has a lot of asterisks attached to it, and unless you're willing to tinker with way too overpriced hardware, it ain't for you.

edgy cipher
haughty thistle
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When it comes to best out of the box experience, it's hands down Varjo Aero + Index Controllers, but then we'd be talking of a 2.6k setup. Hardly pocket money for anyone...
Best all-in-one box experience (where you don't have to buy hardware from multiple vendors/stores), that'd still be the Index. It may be aging hardware, but hard to beat in all points at the same time...

haughty thistle
finite yarrow
gloomy crater
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Welp, I can FINALLY get back to playing VR now that I've gotten an SSD to replace the one that died a few months ago, so my games are no longer loading off a hard drive. I know it doesn't really contribute to lag at all but having to wait for levels to load for SO LONG really takes away from the whole VR experience so I'm glad to be back to loading off an SSD, even if it is a SATA.

haughty thistle
lime pewter
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Also them: “let us do what we want or else we gonna leave europe”

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Instant 5000% improvement on mental health for 15-35 year olds

haughty thistle
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It's all a bluff with the "we'll leave Europe" talk. They hope that politicians buy that bluff and let them do crap. Europe is way too profitable of a market for any company to willingly leave behind...

lime pewter
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Wish they would leave, would help with average mental health and average IQ and EQ

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Mostly instagram tho

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Facebook is just elderly and school/sport groups iirc anyway

haughty thistle
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I think banning Twitter would have a heavier impact tbh

lime pewter
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On IQ probably

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Mental health, idk

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Twitter is the “opinions other than mine are illegal” platform
Instagram is the “unhealthy standards” platform

haughty thistle
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True

lime pewter
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Basically just ban all of them

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Only messaging apps left

haughty thistle
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Let's go back to the good ol' days of when people were only able to converse in limited friend groups. It'd surely help with mental health 👍

lime pewter
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Would say discord and similar should be the limit

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Having to join groups, instead of just being swamped at the homepage with terrible stuff

harsh niche
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^^^

gilded sapphire
rancid kestrel
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Ah yes because everyone wants crotch physics.

gloomy crater
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I have once again entered the state where after I come out of VR my hands don't feel like my hands anymore

dim kestrel
rancid kestrel
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Once I tried to walk though a door after abusing the movement in The Lab to walk though walls.

pale orbit
blissful aurora
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I thought this is the most appropriate place to post this

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This is an old picture, I am going to make new one when I hopefully soon buy the quest 2

quiet temple
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Personally I’d hold off on the quest since they raised the price. I could potentially see some steam vr news in the future with the steam deck success

rapid otter
rustic garnet
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When i played lone echo i started almost trying to push myself around and use my thrusters lol

cedar belfry
cedar belfry
granite mist
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So I’ve got a question I have a quest 1 with the official link cable and whenever I boot steam vr everything is working perfect. Then I boot up beat saber my gpu usage goes to 90% and I’m at 3fps with a 3070ti which makes zero sense. Would anyone have an idea I’ve reinstalled everything and that didn’t help

finite yarrow
granite mist
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im thinking of just completely resetting my pc

harsh niche
gloomy crater
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Yeah that screwed me when setting up my sister's Reverb G2. 70% on SteamVR + 1.4x in beatsaber plus a 3070 does not mix

red schooner
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Any good alternatives to a quest 2. Not thrilled they raised the price by $100 when I decide to buy one

granite mist
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everything works fine besides games

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like the steam menu is fine and same with the oculus one

granite mist
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i just turned off supersampling and still lagging really bad

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i just fixed it lol trying to render beat saber at 200% the resolution is not a good idea

gloomy crater
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I mean, normally that wouldn't be an issue since the quest 1 is so low res and a 3070ti is a pretty capable card, but then you add the USBC compression into the mix and yeah you're gonna have a bad time.

red schooner
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On the quest 2 can I just get a seperate headset and left and right controller? It’d save me $200 then buying a whole new quest

granite mist
haughty thistle
haughty thistle
blissful aurora
blissful aurora
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Also dont tell me to buy pico 4. It is owned by tiktok and not available where I live

haughty thistle
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Whenever I try to recommend someone a VR device, I'll always make sure to list all the asterisks with each device.
Pico: Chinese; TikTok/ByteDance; Games mostly owned by Meta, so the popular titles are missing; with the Neo 4, kinda Poopy PCVR
Meta: Facebook; kinda poopy PCVR; forces you to create an account to use the device; crappy strap out of the box
Index: Low resolution, low contrast displays; lenses are kinda glare-y; quite old already
...

frail sparrow
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even with the problems

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what is the best vr headset right now?

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havent looked into vr in a long time

cedar belfry
blissful aurora
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Cause when I used quest 1 borrowed from school with pcvr air link it ran mostly without a hitch

haughty thistle
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Image quality is significantly degraded due to the Quest (and the Pico 4 as well) not having native DP in. They also both lack proper high-bandwidth Wireless (for example WiGig). As a result, the image is heavily compressed. Dark smudges at high contrasting colors (like green/red for example) are the norm (not to mention the lower then native resolution making the image look blurry)

haughty thistle
frail sparrow
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You mean for audio ?

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I am confused with what you said

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And budget I thought lore like 200-259 euro

haughty thistle
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Yes, audio headset, as the Varjo doesn't come with any audio built in 🙃

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For that budget, you'll only get used hardware. Not even the Pico 4 (currently cheapest HMD in Europe) is that cheap. Welcome in a world of wars 😔

frail sparrow
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I habe some good Logitech wireless headset so that isn’t that bad

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How much does it cost ?

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And I am not getting something named pico

red schooner
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@haughty thistle the reverb g2 is $240 on eBay new(other) I did some digging and it says it supports gtx 1070 at half resolution. Would that be much of an issue?

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That’s the gpu I have at the moment

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I was thinking of getting the rift s since it’s a tad cheaper but feel like the reverb g2 is better for the long run

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
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What's funny is that 65% render res in the G2 is (I believe?) Lower then on the Quest 1, yet it looks significantly better then on the Quest. That's what compression does...

red schooner
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Yeah down the road I’ll upgrade the gpu, but since I’m just getting introduced to vr don’t care to much about graphics

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The steam vr benchmark says I should be able to handle most games since it was in the green bar

frail sparrow
haughty thistle
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red schooner
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@haughty thistle ah alright. I do have like 4 games I want to play on vr. Super hot, walking dead saints and sinners, into the radius and half life anyx. So I’ll see how it runs on a 1070. Thanks with the recommendation will almost likely get it

frail sparrow
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idk if my pc can handle that resolution

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ok currently i coudnt even play vr

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need to upgrade my gpu :/

red schooner
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What gpu do you have currently?

frail sparrow
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1050ti

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i want to upgrade to an 3070 tho

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so i think that could do that comfortable

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i hope without melting my wall

red schooner
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Instead of getting the 3070 why don’t you do a good upgrade to the gpu and like the hp reverb g2 chicken was talking to me about

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For the same price of a 3070

frail sparrow
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what?

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the fuck you talking about

red schooner
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Oh I thought you were gonna get a 3070 to do vr

frail sparrow
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not only vr

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vr and normal gaming

red schooner
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What type of games do you play I was thinking about upgrading my 1070 but runs everything I want really

frail sparrow
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i want to play cyberpunk 2077

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and upgrade my monitor to an 120hz 1440p

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so idk if it can handle even the games i do now with a higher resolution

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so an upgrade would be nice

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and when i upgrade why not get something good

red schooner
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True I upgraded to a gtx 1070 from a 970 just for cyberpunk. Game kept stuttering on my 970. Do you think you also would need a new power supply?

frail sparrow
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idk

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i have an older used 550w psu

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should do the job i hope

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i am maybe going to underpower it a little bit too

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because idk if my mom would like to see that energy invoice

red schooner
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Are you from the UK? I know the cost of energy is hella expensive

frail sparrow
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germany 🙂

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ok i put my pc into pc partpicker with the 3070ti even because it was cheaper then some normal 3070 and idk if thats correct

unknown.png
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seems sketchy

red schooner
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Those calculators aren’t the most accurate things in the world

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Nvidia recommends atleast a 650 watt powersupply

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Graphics cards can “spike” on how much watts they use and if you don’t have enough watts your pc will shut off

frail sparrow
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I am going to get a new power supply and indervolt it

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Then

red schooner
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Sounds good

frail sparrow
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i think until i get it the 4090 is going to be outdated

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i do pc upgrades mostly on my birthdays

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and this year i am going to upgrade everything but my gpu

red schooner
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How much is it gonna be upgrading everything else but your gpu

frail sparrow
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like 300euro max

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maybe i can sqeez a new psu into that

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but like more for now is to much i think

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maybe when i finish school with good grades summer 2023 i can get the gpu

haughty thistle
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You'd want at least a 3090 for the Varjo Aero tho 🙃
High Resolution HMD = even higher render resolution

frail sparrow
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that would be a good time

frail sparrow
red schooner
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How old are you?

frail sparrow
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isnt a 3090 like 1k and more

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like double a 3070ti

frail sparrow
haughty thistle
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Even with my 3090, I'm not running it at max native res (so instead of the native 35PPD it's running at 30PPD for me). It's great, but also really pricey

frail sparrow
red schooner
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Ah alright maybe you can arrange some chores to do around the house so get you extra money

frail sparrow
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i dont get money for that

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i do like the bare minimum

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like briging the trash out and sometimes doing the dishes into the washer and into the cabinets

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like you can get money for that?

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parents do that

haughty thistle
# frail sparrow 15

Hate to say it, but maybe a wait one or two more years before you get into VR. Your eyes are going to love you for that
I'm not joking. A misaligned IPD can make you go permanently cross-eyed, and HMDs aren't really made for kid/teenager eyes (which often still have an IPD of less then 58mm)

frail sparrow
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ok

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is it that bad?

haughty thistle
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Not quite, but I'm just suggesting it

frail sparrow
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because i know some kids that have a vr headseat

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ok its the weird ps vr thing

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but damm they can have problems from that

haughty thistle
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There is some science behind it (although, no one has spend enough in VR to actually proof that point)

frail sparrow
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shoudnt there be an warning then

haughty thistle
frail sparrow
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on the packaging

frail sparrow
haughty thistle
frail sparrow
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the fuck

haughty thistle
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It's just that no one who could mandate such a warning really cares, and for those who make the products, it's a bad look to have such a big warning on it

red schooner
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What cpu do you have @frail sparrow

frail sparrow
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ryzen 5 3600

red schooner
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Damn that’s decent why you upgrading everything but the gpu

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I know you want the 3070 but

frail sparrow
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the cpu is going to stay

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but i am going to get a more modern mainboard

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case

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(have some old acer office pc case and i want more fans)

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and etc...

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ram is also maybe going to stay

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because its 16gb

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should be good

haughty thistle
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Not just the cross-eye thing, but there's also possible issues with the focusing of the eyes that can develop. Best example: China. Lots of kids there spend most their time indoors, and need glasses as their eyes focusing don't get exercised enough and undergoes regression. Imagine that, but with your eyes constantly focused 1.5m away, instead of variably between 10cm-3/4m...

frail sparrow
haughty thistle
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The older you are, the less likely it is that your eyes are still developing, ant which point, full throttle 🙂
Although spending too much time per day in VR could potentially have other health negatives, but none of those even have equivalents (like with the eye's focus and kids in China), so I'd take those with a grain of salt

red schooner
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If it were me I would just spend that 300 euro on a gpu. The cooling on a case is important but I feel like you should spend the money on cosmetics when you can make your pc run better

frail sparrow
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i have one fan

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that sucks the air trough two open spots where dvd drives would be

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on the other side of the case

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idk if a new gpu would like that

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my cpu and cpu are already to hot for my taste

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like 95 dregrees on my cpu

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and 85 degrees with an 1050 ti

red schooner
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I’d say get a new case but keep the motherboard #

frail sparrow
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i dont want to see what to 3070 is going to reach

frail sparrow
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free

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i have two

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one case and one for cpu

red schooner
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Damn

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Fuck

frail sparrow
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i could get a fan controller

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but...

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idk which header in my maibboard i have to plug that in

red schooner
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Gotta find the model of your motherboard

frail sparrow
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msi a320m pro vdh or so i think

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vd/s sry

red schooner
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Look up the Manuel and it should tell you

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It’s all Lego’s

frail sparrow
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yeah

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i would also like a m.2 slot ngl

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so thats my reason for the newer board

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with then more fan headers and more usb slots at the back

red schooner
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Damn with this new info, your going the right route I think

frail sparrow
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yeah

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then putting it in a nice 4000d airflow

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because it has free fans with it

red schooner
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Do you have Reddit?

frail sparrow
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yes

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why?

red schooner
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You should go to buildapc subreddit and tell them what you told us, and they’ll be happy to help you out

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Doesn’t hurt to have more eyes on the idea

frail sparrow
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yeah

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i think it is fine what i want to get

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but maybe i am going to do that

red schooner
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Just don’t forgot to tell them what currency it’s gonna be paid for and the budget and stuff you plan on changing and what you have in your current build

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I agree with your route, but maybe ppl over there have a different opinion

frail sparrow
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ok

pale orbit
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lol @ quest pro

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Quest Pro is the first headset to use the Snapdragon XR2+ chip. Meta said it has “50% more power than Quest 2 with better thermal dissipation, resulting in significantly better performance”. However, a representative told UploadVR that figure “refers to the increased SoC power that supports additional sensors and new use cases”, and apps not using these new features will only have “a little more performance headroom”.

gloomy crater
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Idk but that to me screams 'this new chip is only mildly better than the old one, but since this new headset has eye tracking, any apps that use it will have much better performance while any that don't use it will only see slightly better performance'

blissful aurora
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way too out of my budget

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Imma stay with quest 2 until quest 5 comes out or zuck goes bankrupt

quiet temple
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I’ll just stick with my original pre-facebook account quest until steam does something

gloomy crater
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I'm sticking with my index until a wireless, steamVR integrated headset with better lenses and base station connectivity gets released

pale orbit
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pico 4 looks better and better

blissful aurora
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tiktok headset

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yeah

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watch people murder pigs

blissful aurora
quiet temple
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I can see steam doing a mobile headset really soon with the steam deck success

blissful aurora
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pog

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imagine vr box for steam deck

quiet temple
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If anyone were to combat Facebook it would be steam

blissful aurora
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probably

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you have a quest/quest 2 alreadY?

quiet temple
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Is htc still a thing

blissful aurora
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yes

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sorta

blissful aurora
quiet temple
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I’ve got the original quest. One of the first brand new consoles I’ve ever owned aside from the switch. Don’t remember which I got first as they were close together

blissful aurora
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It was the first headset i tried PCVR on

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borrowed from school

quiet temple
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I can wait the 1-3 years for steam to do their thing

blissful aurora
restive ivy
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Can we finally run native resolution on the varjo aero with the rtx4090

blissful aurora
blissful aurora
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where some people get the money for it

restive ivy
blissful aurora
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a

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bruh

restive ivy
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Me who payed $1600 for a 3080 copium

blissful aurora
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I got just gtx 1650 laptop edition, without displayport

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at least it runs quest 2

restive ivy
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Ooh I got a 3050 laptop for $400

blissful aurora
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how??

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💀

quiet temple
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I bought a laptop with a 3060

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It’s nice it doesn’t have a webcam though

blissful aurora
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why

quiet temple
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Because why would I want a shitty laptop webcam

blissful aurora
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well

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confront a tech support on vc?

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idk

blissful aurora
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ok, it might not be shittier but it is still just 480p

dull tide
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Bought $300 worth of accessories and games on my quest 2 these past few weeks, halfway worried that the next quest pro would cause a price crash if the quest pro was that much better.

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guess its still worth it for now😄

gloomy crater
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If I could RMA my GPU and get my $1700 back, I would. I could buy a 4090 and still have enough for a new monitor. My current GPU likely has VBIOS issues so I'm unsure whether they'd actually give me a refund or just send it in for repairs but it's worth a shot I guess. Until then I just gotta deal with my VR games crashing every five minutes

gilded sapphire
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Quest pro is just a better halo lense

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It’s not meant for gaming

rapid otter
rustic garnet
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I think my install had gotten as we say in the biz, fucked all the way up, from too many different pieces of hardware and accompanying drivers etc

gloomy crater
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I've been dealing with the issue for months now. Screen turns black, either requiring a full restart, or it'll turn back on thirty seconds later with a Radeon driver error message and whatever the top program was will have crashed. Real confusing when you're vibing in VR and suddenly your game crashes

rustic garnet
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Yeah my screen just froze, super uncomfy in vr

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And the sound started looping

gloomy crater
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Except I accidentally ordered it on my sister's Newegg account, so I have to get ahold of her in order to get into her account and try and see if I can get support. Until then I've been refraining from playing pretty much any games because of it

rustic garnet
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Like even my rgb stuff stopped working it was that hard of a crash

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she's your sister can't you just call her

gloomy crater
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I would, but she's a registered nurse with a weird schedule. She works from 2-11, sleeps from 5-1, so I can only get ahold of her between midnight and 4am

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Which with my college classes, is a hard time frame for me to be awake at. I've been texting her but she just hasn't gotten around to looking up her login info. I'm going over to work on her car tomorrow so I'm just planning on plonking myself down at her computer and doing it myself

lethal osprey
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muppet question- should I treat a Pico 4 vr headset as a true 4K video build? planning a new build for VR Assetto Corsa Competizione on an AM5 base. not sure of the workload balance between CPU GPU headset

haughty thistle
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In terms of resource requirements, treat it more like a 5k or 6k Display. In terms of image sharpness, you can more treat it like a 720p or 1080p screen. It's sharp, but not 4k like sharp. For that you'd need to spring for something like the Varjo Aero or Varjo VR-3

lime pewter
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proper vrmmo when

haughty thistle
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The assumption of system resource requirements is based on the Reverb G2 at native res (which can get kinda iffy on systems with less then a 3080). Ofc the Pico could just render at a lower resolution, but at the cost of image sharpness

lethal osprey
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thx for the feedback. I was assuming a 3080 or more and your feedback helps. using an oculus rift with 3080 currently

rustic garnet
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Just realized I'm a boneworks hater AMA

gilded sapphire
ocean tangle
rustic garnet
rustic garnet
ocean tangle
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bruhhh

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you should get on that though, especially with take and hold oh myl ord

rapid otter
rapid otter
rustic garnet
rustic garnet
# rapid otter W H Y ? 👀

The physics interactions feel super gimmicky and too often get in your way to actually be very fun, especially wrt movement, and without the physics there isn't much left to speak of

gilded sapphire
rapid otter
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I hear a lot of people who say that, i think it's because you aren't used to it, it takes a lot of time to master it. Once you do it feels very natural and you have the freedom to do anything you want...

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Sure without the physics there's not a ton of things, but it's like saying without the zombies saint and sinners is empty

wise crescent
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I think occasionally getting your guns stuck somewhere is a good reminder for "oh right I wouldn't be able to do that irl either"

rustic garnet
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Not when the "somewhere" is on the other side of an unopened door

rustic garnet
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Also is there not supposed to be haptic feedback when you're interacting with your backpack slots

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I keep dropping shit because the game won't tell me when it's gonna holster my items

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And tell me why i need to grab guns with both my grip and trigger buttons?

mint inlet
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what's the best guide for getting BMBF on og oculus quest

violet elm
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just search it up on youtube

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there has to be tons of tutorials

gloomy crater
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Pretty sure that BMBF has their own installation guide

pale orbit
haughty thistle
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I'd personally always recommend a written official guide over a video guide, as the latter tend to get outdated pretty quickly...

mint inlet
sullen linden
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Hey guys, this rx 5700 is pissing me off lol
I got an oculus quest 2, a long 3.0 usb cable, and bought a bunch of steamVR games only for them to be stuttery asf for some reason

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Even when i have the lowest graphics

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Im guessing the gpu is the issue?

green crypt
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amd doesn't have a good video encoder quest 2 needs nvidia for that reason

gloomy crater
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Not quite. The performance with my 5700XT is perfectly fine for quest 2 at reduced visuals.

sullen linden
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Job sim and vacation simulator had no issue btw

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But pavlov and alyx were an unplayable stutterfest at the lowest graphics

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Oddly enough airlink didnt have stuttering but the quality was much worse, but wired link did have stutters

gloomy crater
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Weird. A common issue is that some ppl set ingame resolution settings which are enabled in addition to the global ones, which can cause some massive unforeseen issues. Like if your regular global resolution is set to 1.5x and then you have a game whose internal resolution modifier is also set to 1.5x, that means now your GPU is trying to output a resolution at like 2.25x instead of 1.5x like you wanted, which is a lot of extra pixels and is sometimes very taxing depending on the game

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I've heard of it happening a lot in beat saber but I'm not too sure about most other games

haughty thistle
sullen linden
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i can't find what you're talking about tho

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haughty thistle
# sullen linden i can't find what you're talking about tho

That's interesting... Care to tell me what build of Windows you're using? And have you made sure you're running the latest drivers? AMD drivers had quite a few issues with VR not too long ago, so keeping them up to date is a good idea

sullen linden
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whats weird is half life alyx had an average of 103 fps

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its just the jittery stuttering that's killing me

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not the frames

haughty thistle
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Weird...

gloomy crater
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The latest version of AMD drivers isn't actually the latest version, just the latest version they're willing to ship in the auto installer. For instance, I was (still am) having a black screen glitch so I installed the experimental 22.9.1 driver version off the website. It didn't fix the black screen issue but it might help with yours? Not entirely sure

sullen linden
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Ill look into it guys, and update you

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@gloomy crater @haughty thistle thanks

sullen linden
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I played Beat Saber today and realized why I dont play sports I am more of a chair gamer 🙂

lime pewter
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I am neither

sullen linden
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but in the vr headset it's jittery

gilded sapphire
mint inlet
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How long after an update is BMBF usually up and functional

gloomy crater
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I was under the impression BMBF didn't work past version 1.17?

haughty thistle
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From the Beat Saber Modding Community discord:

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Tl;dr:
You can Mod Quest Beat Saber, but only Version 1.24.0 and older...

mint inlet
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thanks

knotty scaffold
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is there a vr headset thats equivalent or better than the meta quest 2 and costs less and i can play any game from any launcher on?

gloomy crater
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There isn't a headset that you can play any game on, not even the quest 2 can do that without a PC. There isn't really a one-size-fits-all solution for a better cheaper alternative to the quest 2. Some are pretty promising but the one that comes to mind poses an even greater privacy risk than the quest 2 and isn't even available in all regions. The quest 2 would be a decent balance of price and performance, but you'd be buying into a platform that solely exists to harvest your data, the games you buy to play on it won't be able to be played in the future if you decide to upgrade to a dedicated PCVR headset, and you're completely limited to only games available on the oculus store, so no SteamVR games whatsoever unless you have a PC capable of playing them via oculus link.

gloomy crater
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Wait what???

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My first boneworks playthrough took 14 hours. I'm five hours into Bonelab and it says I've completed the whole game? So that's it? They spent two years making a five hour campaign that was mostly the process of acquiring the cool avatars we got to use for five seconds and now the remainder of fun I'm going to have with this game is just whatever community created content comes in the future? Cause that blows for the price this game costs.

gloomy crater
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Man this sucks. Yeah, apparently they totally expected everyone to be completely fine with a short-as-hell campaign bc it's basically 'gmod but for VR' except gmod only costs 1/4 the price, and bonelabs' predecessor was both a full price-of-a-copy-of-gmod less expensive and had double the length of campaign. If I could request a refund, I would. There's no way a game should exist in this state for this price, not when there's so little to do. They should have sold the campaign as a $20 standalone experience and then an additional $20 user generated content lifetime pass to access mods and all the crazy stuff for the people who wanted it. Instead, we've got a $40 game that's been out for a month and barely has any user generated content for it. This won't be an issue for people spending full price for the game in five years when there's tons of content, but right now it feels like a gut punch for people who bought in early on. I never thought I'd be happier playing fallout 76 and cyberpunk 2077 than one of SLZ's games, what a dystopian world we live in.

finite yarrow
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technically any headset can play any VR game AFAIK if you have a pc

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Is anyone playing with Console VR yet aside from Sony? Im thinking like a community made oculus link for something like an Xbox. Even if it's just for media and there arent games running well. Saw Rec Room in the xbox appstore and got curious

gloomy crater
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Didn't one of Xbox's spokespersons say something about Xbox not having any plans for VR development because 'it's not what the people want'/'Nobody's asking for it' or something like that?

quiet temple
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I’ve still convinced myself that valve must have something in the works for a standalone vr headset with their continued hardware success

haughty thistle
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They work on Valve time, so who knows when Deckard will come out...

rapid otter
# gloomy crater Man this sucks. Yeah, apparently they totally expected everyone to be completely...

https://youtu.be/CgNn0QJhWlE

You should watch that, apparently you need to somewhat unlock the rest, i haven't played the games but i saw the vid ....

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Why Do Some People HATE Bonelab? BoneLab Reviews - Bad for VR?

Bonelab is here and some people are loving the game and others are not. I want to touch on the points the bad reviews are expressing for Quest and PCVR platforms for the most anticipated VR game of the year. I personally have really been enjoying the game but can see why people are having a hard time with its gameplay and physics engine. Some o...

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gloomy crater
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What he's referring to where you need to use the crane to progress was within the first hour of the game. The node playthrough is only 4 half hour long episodes which pretty much cements for me that until players create more of their own content to add, there just isn't much to do in this game to justify the $40 asking price, not this early on.

soft hound
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@proud jetty

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Well, 'tis gone now

rapid otter
gloomy crater
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Definitely. I was gonna gift a copy for my sister but until there's another ~50ish hours of user generated content available, it just isn't really worth the $40 price tag imo

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I've never gotten into modding boneworks because it seemed like a pain but if we at least had some of the existing stuff people have made for boneworks ported over to bonelab then at least there would be some incentive...

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It was fun for what it was, but what it was should have been advertised better.

rapid otter
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Tbh boneworks modding is pretty easy

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And imo worth it

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It add a lot of new guns npcs and utilities

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Not a lot of maps tho

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You can count them on your fingers

gloomy crater
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The only modding I've done in recent years is fallout 4 and NV using the nexus mod manager. If it's anything like that maybe I'll check it out

rapid otter
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It should take you less than 30 min to set everything

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And adding new mods is just drag and drop

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There's a website to download them...

pale orbit
south grove
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finally some new VR headsets

weak bluff
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it does not sell outside China

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so yeah nope

haughty thistle
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The Enterprise edition does

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It's essentially the EU variant of the Pico 4 Pro (which does only get released in China). And there's also the Pico 4 (non-pro) which also launches in the EU and Japan

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Although, I should note that the Pico 4 Enterprise is meant for Business Customers. So far it does seem like Bestware in Germany will also be selling it to consumers, but that could change at any time...

rapid otter
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You think you'll upgrade your 3090 ti with a 40 series? @haughty thistle

haughty thistle
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I have a regular 3090, not a TI. And no, I will not upgrade. The 4080 ain't enough of an Upgrade and I refuse to buy into something as power hungry as the 4090...

rapid otter
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Understandable

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And it's not like you can undervolt the 4090...

haughty thistle
rapid otter
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A properly done undervolt reduces heat and power draw not performance

oblique hare
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Hows the HP Reverb G2

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Everywhere I ask everyone suggests the facebook fire-hazard that I already have and hate

gloomy crater
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I just bought my sister an HP Reverb G2 and so far the only complaint she's had over her Quest 2 is that the G2's controllers are kinda bad. You can get around it by buying index controllers but the amount of money it costs for all the things you need to make them work, and the time and effort it takes to make them work just isn't worth it for some people. The controllers weren't that bad when I used them, but I only used them for testing purposes and not extensive periods of time like she does.

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Of course it looks awesome compared to my Index because of the increase in resolution but it's also way harder to drive because of it. the best she can do is 80% on a 3070

oblique hare
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Im running on a 3060

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gloomy crater
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Which is an understatement when a full normal G2 kit costs $400 and an index kit is $600 (at least that's how much I paid for mine)

oblique hare
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index kit is 1000

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well its $999

gloomy crater
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If you wanna wait in line for four months before buying it yeah

oblique hare
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avaliable now ships in 2-3 days

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according to steam

gloomy crater
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That's where the magic of the second hand market comes in for both cases

oblique hare
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yeah but can I rma a second hand

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not if but when it breaks

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because 99% of people i talked too with an index had to rma it

gloomy crater
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Mine is second hand and I can RMA it. My model is from launch week so the left controller stick has started drifting and I've already opened a support ticket for it. Tbh neither the Reverb G2 or the Index are worth the price their respective companies are asking for them brand new. Not when there are better headsets around the corner, not when second hand models ~80ish% of the time work just as well, and not with the things that we know are wrong with them. It's just a compromise really, to pay full price for either headset at this point in time.

oblique hare
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what is drifting I hear people talk about it but I never had it happen to me ever

gloomy crater
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So you use a joystick on the controller to move in some games yeah

oblique hare
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Yeah

gloomy crater
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Actually now that I think about it, the short circuit from a few days ago went into pretty good detail on what stick drift is and what causes it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NfvzoDpcSM

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ShortCircuit
This is superior to everything!

Get a dbrand skin or case today at https://dbrand.com/shortlinus

Stick drift sucks, and it seems to be a continual problem in game controllers. Today on ShortCircuit, we get Linus to open up the GuliKit KingKong 2 Pro. It's durable, it's cross compatible... but does it hold up to Linus' expectations?

Buy a GuliKit KingKong 2 Pro: https://lmg.g...

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oblique hare
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seen it in my recommended but tl;dw

gloomy crater
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Basically

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Joy sticks are a wear item. Like brake pads or oil in your car, they degrade over time until they're unusable and you have to replace them. MOST of the joysticks on the market are joysticks that use a mechanism that wears out over time, causing you to have to either replace it or get a new device. What happens when those joysticks wear out is that the controller thinks the joystick has moved to a certain position where it isn't actually in. So what's happening on screen will 'drift' in a certain direction because your device thinks you're pushing the stick ever so slightly in that direction even tho you aren't

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It's impossible for me to read text in certain games rn because my left index controller joystick is making me constantly move to the left so I can't stand still long enough to read stuff, it just won't let me.

gloomy crater
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Y'know, it really sucks that Ifixit were like 'yeah we're in it for the long haul with Valve now. Starting with the Index, you can come to us for all your first party component replacement needs' and then proceeded to release all the internals you could ever want for the steam deck yet they still don't have replacement batteries or joysticks for the index controllers despite them being the most common cause of controller replacements

pale orbit
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new series on vr ;p

shrewd pilot
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Im buying the pico 4 next month with the intention to play vr games via the wireless link with my pc.

My question is does my pc itself need wifi or it the ethernet connection i have sufficient

weak bluff
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ethernet to router and then connect headset to that same router is the most ideal

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make sure you get at least 5ghz wifi 5 wifi router

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Alternatively you can try hotspot from your PC but this is not so ideal

rapid otter
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You should get a dedicated wifi 6 router that you plug with Ethernet into your PC

shrewd pilot
weak bluff
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fine i guess

shrewd pilot
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Also i live alone so my pc and phone are the only ones in the network

weak bluff
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also vodafone does not make routers if you check harder its probably huawei or ZTE with slapped vodafone logo

shrewd pilot
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They shipped it to me tho :)

weak bluff
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new preincluded routers are good

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my house is stuck with old router from 2013 lol

shrewd pilot
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Yea mine is 6 months old and i still have a router lying around if a deeicated network should really work better (its also wifi6 5ghz like my vodafone one(

haughty thistle
shrewd pilot
candid spindle
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youtube dropped cardboard VR support for iOS

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I really am enjoying this new youtube that increases prices and reduces features, how amazing

haughty thistle
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Tbf Cardboard kinda sucked anyways...

harsh niche
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yeah lmao

candid spindle
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True but it was the cheapest entry level VR option for many

finite yarrow
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I was looking at cardboard before i got my quest 1. At the time it might have been cool, but even in comparison to a quest 1, its barely vr

rustic garnet
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Yeah true it's really just 360 video and bargain bin mobile games

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Speaking of YouTube 360 vids, what's the current best way to watch those in a pcvr headset?

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There used to be a YT VR app on steam right? But they've stopped maintaining it

haughty thistle
# rustic garnet Speaking of YouTube 360 vids, what's the current best way to watch those in a pc...

The way that I do it is I'm using a plugin in Firefox called "YouTube VR". It'll automatically pick up when a Video is a 360° one and will show it in VR (ofc after the browser asking if access to the HMD is permitted). It works by hooking into the WebVR API and works will all 360° wraps supported by Youtube today (unlike the SteamVR Youtube app).
If you want to watch flat YouTube videos, I can highly recommend Bigscreen VR. It's free and allows you to view your Desktop in a Virtual cinema (and even share it with friends, if I'm not mistaken?)

rustic garnet
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Oh sick I'm already using Firefox anyway

flint ridge
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Bruh it’s already been almost a month since bonelab came out

dull tide
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Something tells me my frametimes are a bit too high for VR

IMG_8615.jpg
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50 ms+ on a discord encode/decode for a game running 1080p windows. Hoping new card solves this

green crypt
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i'm on a 1070ti and get like 20ms frametimes in vrchat when in vr so your 1070 should be good enough for most vr games. if your cpu frametimes arent worse then that

weak bluff
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You should use steam or oculus integrated overlay

rapid otter
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Interesting news about upcoming chips

gloomy crater
#

So the Megane HMD is looking promising. For the technology, at least. The price is absurd but all the principles for a good wireless PCVR headset are there, iirc it's missing eye tracking and an internal battery but I'd say it's a good 60% of what I'm hoping the deckard ends up being like

fleet badge
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Is the oculus rift s getting outdated?

harsh niche
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the res is kinda bad

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the tracking is decent tho and the refresh rate isn’t terrible

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so it’s kinda dated but still a half decent option if you want vr

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I had one then sold it because the low res and non physical ipd adjustment hurt my eyes

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now I have a quest 2 and it’s a lot better but has its own quirks

weak bluff
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rift S is fine

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the lack of IPD, 80Hz lock and LCD is the most annoying part tho

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oh and low FOV

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but its good if its your first time

rapid otter
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Yeah it's good to get into VR, also the resolution isn't a big issue for me, having a huge res is only good of you can run it fully. Like i can't run my Q2 at full res or refresh rate with my 2080...

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I think honestly the best way to start for cheap is the quest 1

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1440 × 1600 per eye @ 72 Hz is decent and can be ran by most gaming PCs, it's also good for wireless PC VR or standalone in lighter games.
The best part is that you can get one for like 100€

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Get a 50€ wifi 6 router and boom PC r for 150 €

coarse moat
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You basically need wifi 6 if you want tetherless game play

finite yarrow
weak bluff
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I run on Wifi 5 and its just fine

haughty thistle
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The difference between Wifi 5 and Wifi 6 is marginal. Basically just so e protocol enhancements. Heck, the Q1 doesn't even have Wifi 6 support

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A more meaningful improvement would be WiFi 6E, but that's not supported by the Q2, and even the brand new Quest Pro won't support it on launch. (6E is WiFi over 6GHz, WiFi 6 is over 5GHz)

weak bluff
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actually it does have Wifi 6

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the full spec sheet of Quest 2 wifi module

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haughty thistle
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WiFi 6 =/= WiFi 6E

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You'd know that if you actually read my message

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WiFi 6 is 5GHz WiFi with some protocol improvements. The difference between Wifi 6 and WiFi 5 (which are both 5GHz), are marginal. WiFi 6E is actually interesting as it uses 6GHz. Looking at the spec sheet then, it must mean that the Quest Pro doesn't support WiFi 6E either and is also limited to Wifi 6. What a bummer...

echo quarry
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any quest 2 good adventure games?

gloomy crater
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Man apparently I totally missed a whole update patch for bonelab. I would go in and see what they changed but the black screen issue with my GPU has gotten worse and now crashes most VR games after five minutes. Thanks, ASRock...

pale orbit
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"train wreck"

restive ivy
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So they are updating big picture mode to use the steam deck ui

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Does that mean we will get a steam deck like interface for steam vr sometime soon?

hallow ibex
haughty thistle
gloomy crater
#

So according to wikipedia, development on the index began in 2015 (which explains a lot, actually) and the headset released in 2019, so since the deckard patents have been around since 2021, my 2025 prediction might actually have more weight than I initially thought

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Development might take less time because they're more used to producing their own in house hardware (index, steam deck) so they're more up to the task than when they started from scratch back then, but it may also take longer due to the higher development cost, higher cost of raw materials (pretty sure they partnered with a company to produce brand new display panels or something like that?), and potentially bigger investment into the future of the product and project. I guess there's really no way of telling when it's likely to ship until they feel like telling us

haughty thistle
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When they first started patenting stuff in 2021, then there's a good chance that they had started development quite a bit before then...

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You don't start patenting stuff the moment you have an idea, normally you'd try that idea out first before you apply for a patent...

gloomy crater
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True true

haughty thistle
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I'd assume that development has started maybe 1-2 years prior to the first patents showing up...

finite yarrow
restive ivy
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I don't know much about the steam link other than what it does

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The deck ui is a huge improvement

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If the link works like the app and just streams the pc's big picture mode then it should work

finite yarrow
restive ivy
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So with the app when you start the stream it opens big picture mode on your pc

finite yarrow
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Yepp

restive ivy
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Are you saying the steam link has its own built in ui?

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To be more direct does the steam link open big picture on your pc?

finite yarrow
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Yes, the link itself has a ui you use to connect to and start the stream that by default launches in big picture

restive ivy
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I see

finite yarrow
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Bought it specifically because steam link app doesn't exist on xbox and it seemed like a poor mans KVM lol

restive ivy
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I was gonna get the link but the Google Chrome cast with Google TV can download the link app

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For the same price as getting a link

finite yarrow
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Considered a chromecast, but the link is a fun talking point. Especially since most people know it as app only

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And the physical link has Ethernet and usb built in

restive ivy
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Almost bought a mini pc to serve the purpose of the link

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While also being a media center

finite yarrow
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If raspis werent so damn expensive

restive ivy
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So I don't believe it's clear yet the link only streams the games?

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Or does it stream the pc's big picture aswell like the app does?

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I understand it has its own ui

finite yarrow
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The link exists only to display and interact with your main machine on a different screen. I can close big picture, and use my pc as if i were standing in front of it. Games, apps, anything but bios

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The built in UI is enough to change settings and stuff, havent looked into if i can flash it or anything

restive ivy
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Oh so then yes it would be able to do the new big picture ui

finite yarrow
restive ivy
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As far as I know the stream crashes on the app when you have either no game playing or big picture closed

finite yarrow
restive ivy
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Well it didn't crash immediately

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I was on mobile data

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It let me open file explorer before it closed the stream

finite yarrow
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Fair. Link in general seems kinda picky with even slight network drops. Need to buy another ethernet cable to run to my bedroom. Had one on the xbox for a bit but needed the cable for my server and haven't bought a new one

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Now i definitely need one with 2 devices in there

spring sluice
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speaking of the steam deck ui

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did valve change the VR dashboard with that update too?

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this line was in the steam deck booklet

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spring sluice
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just tried it. it doesnt change the vr ui

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in fact it pretty much breaks steam vr entirely

sly falcon
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the furset

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grim seal
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lol

rapid otter
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Doesn't the ears mess with tracking?

lime pewter
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cursed

harsh niche
rapid otter
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Yeah certainly

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Also cool Halloween PFP

honest sphinx
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Can AR headsets be used to play VR games such as WarThunder using a headset like the Quest Pro?

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Not that I'm gonna buy the Quest Pro but just so I know how this works.

haughty thistle
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The Quest Pro ain't an AR headset. It's a VR headset without the light guards at the side and color passthrough

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A proper AR headset would be something like the Microsoft Holo Lens. If you can find a light blocker for one of those true AR devices (for example the room cover for the Nreal Air AR glasses), then I don't see how it could not be used for VR purposes, given ofc you can find software to use it as a VR device

honest sphinx
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Aight so wouldn't want an AR headset

haughty thistle
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I always say, choose the right tool for the job. A VR headset will always be better at being a VR device then an AR headset and vice versa

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One is meant for total immersion in another world, while the other tries to enhance the real world with virtual elements

honest sphinx
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I'm hoping at some point I could be playing WarThunder in VR but still have a screen in my vision to the side playing a youtube video or allowing me to browse the web without having to take my headset off.

rapid otter
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Idk how to feel about not having light guards on the Q pro, like it's certainly better for breathing but it certainly hurts immersion

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Well now that i think about it immersion may not be the most important thing for the Q pro

haughty thistle
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the lack of side light blockers on the QP really help it be more like an AR device, but the passthrough quality just isn't there (yet)...

harsh niche
wise crescent
sullen linden
green crypt
haughty thistle
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I use OVR Toolkit all the time. Honestly it's desktop experience is much better then that built into the SteamVR Dashboard, and I can type on it's keyboard way faster

green crypt
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i swapped to xs overlay from ovrtoolkit it's better but havent used ovr toolkit in a bit more then a year so could be on par now

haughty thistle
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A friend of mine keeps having issues with desktop input through XS Overlay, so he went back to using the SteamVR dashboard again .-.

young night
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Yeah, the Oculus Pro 2 looks nice...

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But it's $1500 USD.

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Meanwhile, I got my Oculus Rift CK1 for $200 CAD 5 years ago, and it's still great.

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Think I'm gonna stick with that.

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Facebook sold it to me at a loss, and I have yet to buy anything on the oculus store. I've bought everything on Steam.

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Ha.

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Same situation with my PS4. Got in for crazy cheap on Black Friday with three games. I bought two $20 used games for it and nothing else so far.

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But yeah, thank god for Steam VR

cobalt citrus
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i only want a new gpu for vr at this point should i wait for what amd has to offer or just set on a 4090

rustic garnet
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I'd wait, the 4090 is fucking ridiculous

cobalt citrus
harsh niche
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might as well get a 3090ti

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last I checked you can get them used for $750-$800

weak bluff
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You thinking you need 4090 for VR
Me happly with my craptastic AMD GPU rescued from miner

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Who are you? MSFS pilot? VRChat no safety settings user?

young night
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Dude, a 3070 is more than enough for VR. You can run Half-life Alyx maxed with that

gloomy crater
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Idk about that, for an index yeah but my sister has a Reverb G2 and is significantly limited by her 3070. I'm planning on getting her a 3080ti at some point, hopefully that'll be a better fit.

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I have a 6900XT but issues with drivers and me regretting spending $1700 on this thing is making me consider getting a 3090ti, hopefully the extra vram will help with whatever the next headset I buy will be

harsh niche
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honestly the jump from 3070 to 3080ti probably isn’t worth the money loss

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might as well get a lower end 40 series if you can wait

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or even amd if they turn out good

weak bluff
rancid kestrel
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I use a 3060 just fine.

rapid otter
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The only good cards imo to get are 3060 ti/ 3070 S or ti /2080 or ti / 3090 ti

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3090's are not reliable and 40 series has been a disaster so far because of the power connector

haughty thistle
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You say 3090s aren't reliable, but I've been running one since a few months after launch...

magic condor
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what's the failure rate of the 3090? less than 1%? isn't that just within margins but bad press gets amplified by enthusiasts as usual?

rapid otter
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Idk I've heard a lot of 3090's having issues

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Lots of VRMs issues

lime pewter
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its just a slightly worse 3090 TI
but with half of the memory overheating,
having no cooling outside of the little bit of airflow going past the thin backplate

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resulting in earlier deaths in comparison and for some a death within the first 3 months

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a GPU that almost requires custom loop with active backplate because of its dumb design

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should be fine in most cases tho

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(both meanings of cases)

haughty thistle
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Also, with the FE at least, the backplate is touching parts of the heatsink at the side ('cause the entire cooler is the heatsink, not just a fin stack with some plastics on-top like most partner cards). So to reduce the temps of the backside VRAM chips, you just have to increase the fan curve a bit. That's exactly what I did. Yeah, the card get's louder, but it's not like you can't wear headphones...

lime pewter
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tfw good headphones are openback

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usually blocks enough the moment you turn on audio tho

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not like you're running fans at 50db directly next to your head

haughty thistle
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Yeah, I wear open-backs normally too. Fine when I'm a bit further away in VR...

haughty thistle
weak bluff
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used 3090 should have less failure than new ones right? or issue can happen long term too

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im just assuming used are proven usable in load

lime pewter
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both

normal quest
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ok so im wondering whats the requirements for steamVR

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because im on quest and want to get steam vr and dont know what the requirements are

haughty thistle
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SteamVR itself doesn't really have a requirement outside of "your PC should not be a total potato and you need a VR headset that has a SteamVR driver" (which is basically every VR headset under the sun* (*with sun being metaphorically used here; please don't put a VR headset in direct sunlight)).
What kind of PC you need depends on the games you wanna play. General recommendation for an entry-level VR build (tho this does still required turning down graphic settings and render resolution in a lot of games) is something with an RTX 2060 or better, at minimum 6GB of VRAM, 16GB of System Memory and a 6 core CPU or better that is decently modern, like a Ryzen 5 2600

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It also heavily depends on the headset. The Quest 2 for example, can run at a higher bitrate and refreshrate then the Quest 1 putting a higher load on the system overall (more on the video encoders on your GPU, but the CPU also get's a sizable hit). You can ofc run the Quest 2 at Quest level compression and resolution, but I can tell you from experience, that even on the Quest 1, that's not a great experience, and is only going to be worse due to a higher resolution disparity between the rendered/transmitted resolution and the actual display resolution of the headset

lime pewter
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like a wearable car

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they are excellent reflectors for making you blind with their 0 IQ glossy crap

spring sluice
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hey so like they finally fully revealed the psvr2 release date and price

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am I the only one that thinks sony basically set their vr up for failure again?

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more specifically with the price tag

haughty thistle
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Why? It's almost as bleeding edge as you can get for VR tech. Eye Tracking, haptic triggers, high-res OLED panels, native display connection. Honestly, the price is almost a steal for what you get, and is in no small part lowered due to being subsidized by game and PS5 sales...