#virtual-reality

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opal prairie
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I write fiction for a living and research a lot of weird things and try to immerse myself in others' pov for the purpose of writing from the pov of characters not like myself. It screws up all the advertising algorithms, sometimes to comical effect. Once, Facebook tried to sell me a shirt that said, "Don't mess with this black woman."

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So that's one way to deal with the data collectors. They have to know I write fiction though. I mean it's not like I don't also research book sales numbers and read my reviews and that sort of thing.

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I wonder if they'll one day have a detailed enough algorithm to separate my interests from my characters' interests.

lime pewter
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idc about data collection as long as I don't notice it in my daily life, through spam mail, spam calls, etc

opal prairie
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Like will they, for example, know that it is not my character who is into VR, or that one of my characters is into motorcycles and not me.

lime pewter
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I don't think AI can differentiate between the two

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it will just see "you said/looked up VR, so we gonna spam you with VR"

opal prairie
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I think spam calls are, for now, just part of life. My carrier does a pretty good job of differentiating spam from real calls. I wonder if they use my data to do that. (My carrier is google, lol.)

lime pewter
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I keep getting reminded of that time my mother moved to a new house, and now 5 years later, still gets calls from internet and energy companies

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because she told her friends through whatsapp and facebook

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Idc about privacy, I only care about not being in pain
something they fail to do, so I just don't touch anything facebook related, including oculus

opal prairie
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What's really disturbing is when your friend PMs you in facebook messenger to tell you about a traumatic childhood experience, then the next day you get ads for trauma counseling and you realize that this intensely private conversation is now part of facebook's data about you, and about your friend.

lime pewter
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I don't even care about that level of stuff. as it doesn't affect me directly

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it doesn't waste my time

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or make me lock my phone in a closet because it just won't shut up

opal prairie
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I haven't turned my ringer on in years, lol. I grew up before internet and cell phones when you had the right to not be available, and I never did give up that right. Just because someone decides they want to talk to me doesn't mean I need to stop what I'm doing.

lime pewter
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bit to many things going on for me to do anything like that

opal prairie
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I check my phone periodically, but I'd never get a single sentence of writing done if I paid any attention to notifications. I have killed every form of notification on my computer.

lime pewter
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I basically just tell everyone who wants to contact me to either use telegram or discord, lel

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also because I can actually see it on PC

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barely ever use my phone

opal prairie
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There are times when I am expecting a repairperson to call or something when I have to keep an eye on my phone. I'll put it face up on my desk while I work and only answer a call from the expected place. My family and friends text me or are on my discord server.

lime pewter
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imagine having a desk, cri

opal prairie
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Oh, yeah, I'm old. I spent my 20s and part of my 30s living in dorms or situations where I had little or no resources or space. I didn't get my first computer until I was in grad school. I was 29.

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Had a bit of a rough start and started college late.

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Still paying for it, lol. <--- American

lime pewter
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probably not to rough

opal prairie
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?

lime pewter
opal prairie
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Oh...you are saying you don't think my rough start could have been very rough presumably because I landed on my feet eventually. Got it.

opal prairie
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Well to answer your question about tv on VR... I sort of enjoy it. One problem is DRM keeping you from watching things like netflix on your headset. There are ways around it if you search for it.

lime pewter
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thankfully idc about netflix

finite yarrow
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Skybox into Plex ftw

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Well, into the server with the plex files

haughty thistle
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Not just Netflix is affected by the DRM, and not just streaming services either. Pretty much every legal way of watching movies or similar will be just a black box or forced to like 480p in VR, as the industry doesn't want people stealing that stuff. Outside of Free-TV (which isn't affected by DRM afaik), the only other way I know of is by ripping the movie/video off a Blu-Ray and thus getting access to a DRM-free version of the video file. Granted it often still contains what's called a "Cinevia Fingerprint", but that only means you can't burn it on a blank Blu-Ray and play it on a commercial Blu-Ray player

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From my research, Plex is just a way of hosting your video/movie files on a server, to access them similar to a streaming service. It also has integrations for commercial streaming services, but I'm guessing it just overlays it's own player on-top of the (still) DRM-ridden video file streamed from such a service

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Then again, I've never dealt with any proper VR streaming player thus far, as I found it much more comfortable to just watch whatever using BigScreen, recorded directly off my main monitor...

opal prairie
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I've had problems with streaming services even using VR Desktop.

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Which makes no sense to me. If I'm allowed to watch it on my desktop, why the hell shouldn't I be able to watch it on my headset?'

haughty thistle
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Because the way your desktop get's into VR is basically the same way as you'd stream your Desktop to Twitch: it's a screen-recording. These can't record any DRM protected content on a system-level.
On top of that, I believe most VR headsets don't even bother with implementing DHCP (the Quest doesn't have it for sure), which is a requirement for most DRM protected content. DHCP basically encrypts the video signal between your GPU and monitor, and prevents something like a capture card from intercepting the signal.

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There are multiple revisions of DHCP, some of them have already been cracked, or were so weak that a simple splitter cable could defeat it (cough PS3 cough). The newest one, DHCP 2.2, is only found on 4k TVs and some 4k monitors and is required for 4k Blu-Rays any streaming services. It hasn't been cracked yet afaik...

lime pewter
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Might just get one because I do want more than one display at times, but don’t want to buy a bunch of displays and fill my entire room for those few cases

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What are all the bigger vr desktop programs/apps?
Just to see what that would be like

wispy orchid
rancid kestrel
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Why do you need DRM to watch Netflix?

pulsar glacier
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DRM is Content protection isn't it?

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Protecting Netflix's content

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Idk

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All ik is you can't cast Netflix off your phone 🥲

rancid kestrel
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Yeah, but you can bypass all of it and it's just a pain for consumers.

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It would be funny to take a HDCP enabled TV board and plug it into a FPGA that outputs HDMI from the LCD driver.

haughty thistle
# wispy orchid Quest has DRM since you can watch Netflix on it

Well, inside it's own OS, yeah ofc. What I was referring to using the Quest as PC headset. As the Oculus Software needs to essentially screen record a non-existent display for PCVR, it can't have DHCP. That only works for displays directly connected via DP or HDMI to the GPU...

haughty thistle
# rancid kestrel It would be funny to take a HDCP enabled TV board and plug it into a FPGA that o...

If I'm not mistaken, then DHCP 2.2 includes the Display controller in the chain of encryption. Basically, it means that the data get's transferred as an encrypted signal from the GPU all the way to the chip that unwinds the image and sends it to the actual panel...
Considering that for most 4k content (which again requires DHCP 2.2) requires your CPU to support Intel SGX, so that it can create an encrypted channel between the GPU and the disc drive, I wouldn't be surprised if they took it all the way to the panel controller too...

rancid kestrel
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The stuff switching the pixels can't be encrypted, otherwise you can't see the image.

haughty thistle
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Yeah, that's the stuff after the panel controller, ya' know, the thing that actually drives the pixels

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But this is getting off topic

soft hound
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If you want to watch stuff like Netflix on your headset, just disable hardware acceleration in your browser

haughty thistle
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That'll limit you to 480p (or in some cases 360p). They won't give you anything higher res if they can't enforce their DRM

rancid kestrel
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Or you can just buy disks of what you want.

haughty thistle
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You mean normal Blu-Ray or 4k Blu-Ray? 'cause the latter is secured with a truck load of DRM...
There are ways around this cough MakeMKV cough, but still...

rancid kestrel
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That's legal as far as I know, not like you're redistributing it or selling it. You're just watching it on your computer.

haughty thistle
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Yup. But it's anything but consumer friendly (wouldn't have named that app, if it were illegal)

harsh niche
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Only way to watch Netflix streaming it from another device is off Firefox as far as I know

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like to screenshare on discord it has to be on Firefox, that’s the only browser that disables the protection thing or else it just shows up black

rancid kestrel
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Isn't there a MakeMKV API? Maybe I could try to make a VR media player at some point just for fun.

haughty thistle
rancid kestrel
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That's disgusting.

haughty thistle
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480p on Netflix basically doesn't require any DRM, which is how you can stream on Firefox

rancid kestrel
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Why do people still give them money?

haughty thistle
rancid kestrel
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Oh, really random.

Does anyone know if it's possible to run a wireless Vive setup when connected to the machine over RDP?

rancid kestrel
harsh niche
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I think prime video looks better on chrome than Firefox so it’s probably doing the same thing

rancid kestrel
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Another random thing, does anyone know if there's a way to plug a wireless Vive into the wall for development purposes? It would suck to cycle the battery a bunch with the headset idle while debugging.

haughty thistle
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I've given up on Prime Video. I tried it, in hopes of being able to stream HDR at 1080p, without having to pay like 20€/month to Netflix, but nope. All I got was some extremely heavy compressed videos that didn't even look good in SDR 1080p (not to mention the player at some point started having seizures on me xD)
That's when I started looking into ripping Blu-Rays, and honestly, the experience has been so much better then any Streaming service I've found so far. Yeah, It's a little more expensive going in, and not as convenient as just clicking play, but at least I get good image quality and HDR without having to go max tier and 4k... (my monitor is 1440p soo yeah)

formal willow
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streaming services are bad because they can't afford to send everyone 4k hdr content nor do they even offer it on all content

rancid kestrel
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This is why I tell my family to use 4K BD disks on Plex, but there is a bottleneck somewhere? Movies stutter on the Apple TV 4K we got for cheap.

formal willow
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cpu?

haughty thistle
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Granted, a number of 4k Blu-Rays aren't actually 4k either, nor are all in actual HDR. Take all those old movies for example, of which the film got re-scanned with modern day equipment. Yeah, they may be 4k, but back in the day, they probably weren't going for the most dynamic range in the picture. A perfect example for this I saw in The Matrix (released 1999). Shadow detail in some scenes is super crushed, as if it's an SDR movie. Plus a lot of movies shot in the early 2010s were shot with 1080p or 2048p digital cinema cameras, meaning the actual movie doesn't have any more detail, thus any 4k Blu-Ray release of such a movie is upscaled. There's a good chart on what movie is real 4k and which ones aren't here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgBqUDMwN-_CvbQssa7KVY_j56kimrgfePAH7i3dStM/edit#gid=583459674

Google Docs
All 4K Releases

Latest

Title,Reference
Disc,Standout
Disc,Native
4k,Dolby
Vision,HDR10+,Imax
Enhanced,60 FPS,Dolby
Atmos,DTS:X,Release Date,Studio
007: The Daniel Craig Collection (Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, SPECTRE),10/22/19,20th Century Studios Home Entertainment (ex Fox now Walt Disney ...

rancid kestrel
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Yeah I know, you still get more bits.

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I'm not sure what the issue is.

formal willow
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can film get scaled to 4k? but it isn't hdr?

rancid kestrel
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But that isn't for here.

haughty thistle
# rancid kestrel This is why I tell my family to use 4K BD disks on Plex, but there is a bottlene...

There's a post about this on the MakeMKV forum. 4k Blu-Rays are encoded in a way that essentially requires hardware acceleration and quite a few horses. The Apple TV 4k probably has enough horses to decode whatever Apple and streaming services are throwing at it, but a 4k Blu-Ray is quite a bit more data. If your devices are struggleing with playback, you wanna re-encode the movie in a lower bit rate...

formal willow
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Morbius 4k 😈

rancid kestrel
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I did set it to a lower bitrate, 20M maybe? The server should have enough grunt.

haughty thistle
# formal willow can film get scaled to 4k? but it isn't hdr?

Since film is analog, it doesn't have an a specific resolution. Rather it has what's known as "grain", which specifies how fine the silver crystals inside the film can be in an exposed state. That'll determine roughly the amount of detail the film will be capturing. Usually for 35mm that's somewhere between 5k and 7k when speaking in digital resolutions

rancid kestrel
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Yeah, once you get past 8k all you really do is get more grain which is super cool.

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Some things on the smaller film are more like 4k with larger film much higher.

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Does anyone know much about RDP + VR?

formal willow
haughty thistle
rancid kestrel
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Yeah something crazy like that.

rancid kestrel
soft hound
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I've done this plenty of times while watching things in VRChat

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Works fine with things like Amazon Prime Video as well
Looks indistinguishable from running with hardware acceleration

harsh niche
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@soft hound I think he was talking about Firefox

soft hound
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It's the same
Just tried it
1080p played just fine without hardware acceleration

haughty thistle
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P. sure it's not 1080p then. Netflix auto-scales the resolution based on your browsers capabilities and your network strength. They won't show you 720p or 1080p without Google Widevine or M$ PlayReady DRM active

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They won't even show you what you're currently seeing. There used to be like a hidden key-combo through which you could force a certain bitrate (and thus resolution), but even that hidden option only showed bitrates (and thus resolutions) that you were able to watch with your current setup...

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(not to mention they removed it, as people were overloading Netflix servers through that way)

soft hound
formal willow
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its 720p unless you are using widevine or whatever it is

haughty thistle
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Oh, they still have the players stats (which sometimes shows the resolution?) Ctrl + Shift + Alt + D

unknown.png
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I haven't used Netflix in like a couple of years, so things may as well have changed, but that's how it was back in like 2018 (before the BBC removed all the good episodes of Top Gear)

soft hound
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Yeah, it's at 720p on CPU

haughty thistle
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Dunno what that DFR means. I was more referring to this line:

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soft hound
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Same thing

haughty thistle
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Alrighty then...

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That bitrate tho... 1 Mbit/s for 720p 😬

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(for reference, YouTube recommends at minimum 6 Mbit/s for 720p)

harsh niche
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netflix is a shit company overall

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you have to pay extra to not get 480p

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that should not even exist.. 1080p is the standard and has been for years

pulsar glacier
harsh niche
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yeah

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it's bs

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$10 a month for 480p

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like wtf is that

pulsar glacier
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what-

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i feel like thats only for barbershops to play some random crap on the TVs lmfao

harsh niche
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lmao

opal prairie
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What I find kindof funny is that I could watch netflix in VR back when I had a gear VR (there was an app), but I eventually had to get a new phone, so I lost that ability. Why the major streaming services haven't made steamVR apps is beyond me.

opal prairie
# harsh niche it's bs

This explains why some people don't have any issue streaming netflix to their pc headsets.

past tulip
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Does anybody have any recommendations for good seated VR games? Ideally, not racing or flying games. I have a Quest 2, but don't currently have a space large to enough to play most VR games

past tulip
# harsh niche it's bs

Wow, really? Not even 720p? That really is BS. I pay for premium because I need the extra screens for my family, but if it wasn't for that, I'd be sticking with standard

finite yarrow
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Ive been playing a game called The Climb that seems like itd be alright seated. If youve got a pc, Minecraft Java (i prefer modded but you can just run vanilla) and Skyrim can be played seated just fine

past tulip
pulsar glacier
finite yarrow
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The page for bedrock vr addon exists but i couldnt find a way to download

pulsar glacier
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I've always just used minecraft bedrock in vr natively w/o mods or add-ons, through Oculus

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I didn't know something happened to it, I used it less than a month ago

finite yarrow
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Lemme go find the name of the program. You can play vanilla java easy. You run the program and it sets up a specific profile in your launcher, like modloaders do

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Called Vivecraft

finite yarrow
pulsar glacier
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Huh, weird

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Thanks for the info lol

finite yarrow
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Wonder if i can sideload it somehow...

pulsar glacier
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(On quest) I would think you can sideload MC(android) but it'd just be the flat experience

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Can't you connect KBM/Controller to quest for that kind of stuff?

finite yarrow
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Idk. If i sideloaded it id wanna do the bedrock addon specifically since i can already play java.

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In bedrock, can your friends see you move normal if your in vr and they arent? Vivecraft has mods your friends download to smooth out how they see you

pulsar glacier
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I like the vivecraft mods that do that tho lol

finite yarrow
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I think the main catch to Vivecraft multiplayer, is that you need to host the server. If your friends dont wanna install the mods, they can still see you. Just super choppy so you wouldn't wanna pvp a vr player or anything like that without the mod. I could be wrong on that though. I havent tried it. But i feel thats a fair drawback for something like this.

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Modpacks have been fun though. Keybinds can get weird twords mid/endgame since you have less keys. I think you can hook up a keyboard but idk

crystal sluice
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WHAT

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WHAT

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HOW

harsh niche
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ikr

pulsar glacier
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Honestly, if anything, it should be 720p not 480p

rapid otter
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What Gigabyte considers a VR config to be

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💀

harsh niche
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Gigabyte is a stupid company

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their support is so trash it might as well not exist

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and their software is utter garbage

lime pewter
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10 FPS VR?

harsh niche
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I will avoid them at all costs now

harsh niche
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10fps is soooo much!!

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Be grateful

lime pewter
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never tried VR, but I would expect 2060/2070 to be recommended minimum, lel

harsh niche
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yeah

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my 2070 is starting to get a little outdated to push solid 90fps on all games

lime pewter
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still looking into VR and if it is something that could be of use..

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considering it is more compact than getting like 5 displays and a large TV

pulsar glacier
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Is there any way to make a VR optimized graphics card? If that makes sense

harsh niche
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probably

pulsar glacier
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I wonder how well something like that would sell

harsh niche
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🤷‍♂️

wise crescent
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Imagine having two gpu's in one card to render the image for each eye

lime pewter
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that would suck probably

harsh niche
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I think the main differences between flat and vr is how the image is processed in terms of like higher res in the center lower around the edges, 2 renderings going st the same time, etc

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that might work if you could get them to equalize

lime pewter
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would likely just make one side ahead of the other

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otherwise SLI would've been used long ago, lel

harsh niche
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Like @haughty thistle says if they get out of sync or higher fps then the other or whatever that could be a problem

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and holding them back would be like vsync adding latency

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hopefully nvidia or amd looks into it tho that gives SLI a greater new purpose

lime pewter
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SLI is dead

harsh niche
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😭

finite yarrow
rapid otter
rapid otter
finite yarrow
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Is it? Oh my bad then

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Im terrible with sku name vs performance on GPUs

rapid otter
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50 is significantly less powerful than it's 60 counterpart

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Not the most scientific measurement but it gives an idea

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Here's the 970

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finite yarrow
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Good to know.

rapid otter
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Here is the 1060 the bare minimum for VR, the 1050 is less than half of it's power. Plus it has only 2 gb of VRAM compared to 4 on the 970 or 3/6 gb on the 1060

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haughty thistle
past tulip
haughty thistle
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The first one I belive was only ever released for PC, and I belive the second part might be on the Quest Store? I'm unsure, but I recommend buying stuff on Steam if it's available there anyways, as you can still play those games, even if you leave the Oculus Meta eco-system 🙂

sterile field
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Pro tip... Don't buy the larger storage oculus... You won't ever use it all...

wispy orchid
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even more true if you dont play games on it and instead stream from a pc

rapid otter
sterile field
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Yeah but I mean there are few games that even take up any real amount of space anyway

opal prairie
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970 was the original SteamVR minimum, but they moved it up a little as things progressed.

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Moving from 970 to 2080ti was amazing.

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Whereas from 2080ti to 3080 was a slight improvement. If you are still on a 970, you could double or even maybe triple that score without resorting to a flagship.

finite yarrow
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The goal is to upgrade before the end of the year. I wanna throw this 970 in my server anyway so i can properly host plex instead of having it split between 2 machines

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Imma probably need to get a new case too though. I dont like thermals in the system as is, much less with a hotter card

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Unless i magically win this Jayz2cents giveaway then ill be set for a bit lol

karmic blaze
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does anyone have a fix for amd graphics cards and vr with quest 2
because at the moment its really bad there stuttering tearing and really bad lag
info: I'm currently running a RX 6700xt and a rysen 5600x with 16gb of ddr4
the drivers haven't been fixed in months
am at the point of sneaking into my sister's room and switching GPU's jk

fickle zealot
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Its an older driver which fixed some odd issues with my config.

wispy orchid
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its the last suggested driver from Virtual Desktop

karmic blaze
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thanks ill give that a shot

haughty thistle
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There are alos a number of issues with the Quest and Windows 11 that have yet to be fixed, so that may also be a problem. Just mentioning it 🙂

pulsar glacier
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Honestly my experience w/ Q1 & RX 5700XT and USB2 speeds is pretty good LOL

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There's stuttering when going from game to oculus/steamvr menu, but during the game it's pretty good

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100% playable

haughty thistle
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Yeah, but the Quest 1 is also hard-limited to 150Mbit/s due to it's SOC. The Quest 2 can go up to 500Mbit/s, but what is generally considered stable is around 250Mbit/s. And you'll need those, as the higher panel resolution means you also need to supply a higher resolution before the upscaling blur get's to a level where it's not too distracting...

pulsar glacier
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Fair

harsh niche
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i just looked it up and the reason my quest 2 doesn't discharge when plugged into my 2070 virtualink port is because it provides a whole 27 watts

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that's pretty cool, it's a shame they got rid of it

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not even just for vr you could just use it to charge your phone while at your desk

gloomy crater
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So I've got a customer looking for a cheap computer to play VR on. Their friend is selling a Rift S for cheap and they wanna have a computer capable of running it for under $500.

pulsar glacier
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Uhhhh idk abt that, at least not the greatest performance

gloomy crater
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Now in that price range I'm kind of limited. The best I've been able to do so far is a dell optiplex system off of ebay with a GTX 1070 slapped into it

pulsar glacier
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I mean that could work

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Not sure though lol

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Not an expert at all

gloomy crater
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The specs would be an I7-8700K, 16gb DDR4 2133, a 500gb SSD, and a 1070. The final price comes out to something like $530 which I think they'd take but only if that setup would be sufficient for what they wanna do

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In terms of games, they wanna play half life alyx, beat saber, and superhot. I asked about vrchat and they said they don't like social games like that so they're unlikely to try it out

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That hardware setup is above the recommended minimum for all 3 of those games but I still wanted to come here and converse just to make sure

wispy orchid
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otherwise it should be fine, the most demanding of those 3 games, alyx, ran ok on my mobile 1060 6gb, so a desktop 1070 should be fine

gloomy crater
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The price is factored with a replacement psu. ram is what comes with it. I could swap it out for a 2666 kit I've got laying around but anything more than that and I'd have to further raise the price

wispy orchid
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fair

gloomy crater
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The prebuilt I'm working off of is $375 but goes on sale for $350 occasionally and comes with two workstation GPUs already in it. I'd be keeping the two GPUs, the old psu, (and maybe the memory if I choose to replace it) to resell, which brings the price down. chuck in a 1070 and an SSD and hopefully it should be good enough for what they wanna do with it

haughty thistle
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Those specs seem fine for VR on a Rift S

gloomy crater
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I am a bit confused as to why a prebuilt with what appears to be an H110 board has a K-skew CPU in it but whatever I guess.

haughty thistle
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RAM speed is more of a performance factor on Ryzen then it is on Intel, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Yeah, it's bottom of the barrel when it comes to DDR4, but it still should be fine

haughty thistle
wispy orchid
haughty thistle
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You seen GNs recent videos about the Dellienware Aurora? That thing was plagued with issues. Really, the only good thing I've seen come from Dell were monitors, whether Alienware branded or not, they're usually decent if not really good

wispy orchid
gloomy crater
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so I've made an error

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it doesn't actually say 2133 anywhere in the listing I was looking at, it was another listing I was remembering. The base memory speed for this model is actually 2666 already

wispy orchid
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especially for the price, cant complain

gloomy crater
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ok here's one that's interesting

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The listing I was looking at was for an 8700K in a board that you probably can't overclock on anyway, with two 2gb Radeon Pro WX2100 GPUs in it. Only storage is a 1tb HDD, and 16gb of memory. All for between $350 and $375. But there's a second listing I just found with an 8700 non-K, a single 4gb WX3100 (which is basically the same as both of the cards in the other system combined) but it already has a 512 SSD installed AND it's only $320.

wispy orchid
gloomy crater
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So I wouldn't even have to get a new SSD, and it's losing its already nonexistent overclocking support but I don't think the customer would care. one card would also be easier to resell than two identical cards. I think this one's the play

haughty thistle
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You don't know what the SSD has been through tho. Personally I wouldn't trust any of my data with a used SSD, but you do you

gloomy crater
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from the photos, it's a kioxia drive, manufacture dated to December 20th 2019.

past tulip
wise crescent
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Went back to HL-Alyx and I had completely forgotten how incredibly good it looks and smoothly it runs

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Felt like I was playing VR for the first time again

rancid kestrel
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Can you still run Oculus stuff on PC?

zenith kiln
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Hi
I've been trying to connect my quest 2 to pc through both oculus airlink and link but when I enable oculus link or launch it on my vr headset , it is stuck on the 3 dots screen, been trying many things such as reconnecting, restarting, factory reset and updating my gpu drivers and repairing or updating the oculus app drivers nothing worked and experienced all possible problems while trying those fixes such as 3 dots screen, oculus link app crashing on start and the headset not being seen in oculus app

I really hope someone can help me fix this

haughty thistle
zenith kiln
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Win 10

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21H2

haughty thistle
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That's odd... This issue is usually reported with Windows 11...

zenith kiln
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Yea , had some discussions about it and it may be because of my gpu

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That would be the easiest and most logical fix

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To upgrade my gpu

haughty thistle
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Yeah, probably a driver issue

lime pewter
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easiest would be memory

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easiest on your money

zenith kiln
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Nah, I run a 6500XT, oculus site does say the RX6500 will not work perfectly but idk if the XT one counts too

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I‘ve downgraded to the recommended driver for gpu and put my oculus app into public test version

lime pewter
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I've only seen AMD not being supported at all

haughty thistle
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AMD is supported by Metabook, just not as well as Nvidia is (because Cuda)

zenith kiln
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It kept crashing and loading while I tried fixing it this time

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No other results

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And AMD gpu‘s are support for oculus link

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Just the RX6500 is said to not be good for it

lime pewter
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I honestly hope VR doesn't end up like consoles

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exclusive controllers, games, etc

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so you can never actually use what you want

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one controller being better, one headset being better, but the games aren't on it

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hope metaverse and such end up failing, lol

haughty thistle
#

The only company rn working towards an open XR eco-system is Valve. Yeah, there's the OpenXR initiative, but most companies in it seem to not be really interested in making it easier for the consumer. Especially Metabook, who're in this initiative for some reason...

lime pewter
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would suck if at one point, quest is all you can use if you want to join the 95% because of a single game/program

haughty thistle
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That's the goal of Metabook. Not an XR space that is free and open and pro-consumer, but one that only they have control over. Rn the XR space is on the best track to mimic the web browser landscape of the 90s...

lime pewter
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would be a lot better if instead they just made a subscription based service for meta software instead

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and make it exclusive that way

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and try to be the main VR "launcher"

haughty thistle
# lime pewter aren't there laws against that tho

Laws only actually work if they are enforced, and rn, nobody (and I literally mean nobody) who has the power to drag companies like Meta in front of court is actually paying attention to the XR market, 'cause ya' know, it's too small of a market to draw any conclusions yet...

lime pewter
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I mean, they do it with literally everything tho

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I trust china more with my data than facebook

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because at least it won't be actively used against me

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not better for me either, but not making things obnoxious

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tbh, I can't think of any company, person or whatever I trust less with my personal info than facebook

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also, yes they changed names, but who cares

haughty thistle
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I can: literally any government. 'cause their only use for user data is to throw out political enemies. China and the Middle East are two perfect examples of this

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And it's happening in the US to a certain degree as well (cough Epstine cough)

lime pewter
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idc how they use it, as long as it doesn't change my personal life, lel

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aka, selling my phone number to companies...

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even if they wanted to record me without me knowing 24/7 and sell that, idc

lime pewter
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I avoid budget-midrange, if I am spending hundreds to thousands anyway that is

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2.5-5k more like it

harsh niche
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i just got vtol vr and iron wolf vr and they're both a lot of fun

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especially iron wolf

dull tide
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Oh yeah I’m considering getting that. Put it in my cart and forgot to check out

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Oof 7 hours from now the sale would have ended

mystic fox
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has anyone else had problems with AMDs latest drivers not working with oculus VR?

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like it still "works" but some games crash and others run fine but the oculus home is wonky and shifts all around.

wispy orchid
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which gpu do you have?

sullen linden
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hey everyone, what is the best VR kit for AMD right now? I have a 6700XT, ASUS B550-F MOBO, 5800X3D CPU and 128gb ram.

sullen linden
wispy orchid
sullen linden
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shrug

wispy orchid
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Those are the latest drivers suggested by Virtual Desktop because after that, especially for 400/500 amd really screwed them up and has yet to fix them properly

rapid otter
mystic fox
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@wispy orchid Thanks, I hope they fix it soon

rancid kestrel
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Cleaning my lighthouses didn't help tracking.

sullen linden
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just joking lol

rapid otter
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Huuu it's a DDR 2 PC afaik

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Drr3 PC can run VR but ddr2 most certainly can't

sullen linden
rapid otter
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The worst part has to be the cooling

sullen linden
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lol right?

rancid kestrel
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I have DDR3 in my VR machine.

rancid kestrel
#

What might be a decent used Nvidia card for VR?

pale orbit
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depends on the headset

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trying to run a rift s is easier then say a pimax 8k

gloomy crater
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It really depends on the headset and price range

wispy orchid
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Used? 1080 or 2070 should be perfect

rancid kestrel
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I have a Vive.

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Maybe I'll grab a 1080 Ti for extra room.

Any particular AIB I should look for?

leaden ruin
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but you have quite some head room if you get a 3060 ti or 3070

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im no expert though in the low end that much anymore

rancid kestrel
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I suppose RTX cards would be nice just for the RT stuff.

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Would be fun to play with.

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I guess they are around the same price, ish.

leaden ruin
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i don't think there are any vr titles that use ray tracing

rancid kestrel
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I know.

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It wouldn't be a good experience anyway.

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But for other things.

leaden ruin
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yeah for general gaming its great

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although in most games i just turn it off

rancid kestrel
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Ah, the 3060 Ti is more used.

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But still.

leaden ruin
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i have a 3070 ti and in most games in 1440p its still a huge performance hog

rancid kestrel
#

There is a 12GB 3060?

leaden ruin
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i think so

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yeah 3060 has 12gb of vram for no reason

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a 3070 (ti) would be better suited

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because 1440P

pale orbit
leaden ruin
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i guess

mossy nimbus
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a 3060 ti does the job pretty well

rancid kestrel
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550 for a EVGA XC3 Ulta?

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There are 5 games on that list that I have played.

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Sheesh.

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mossy nimbus
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sheesh

rancid kestrel
#

I wonder how the 3060 compares to the 960.

mossy nimbus
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better

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3060 is a lot better

pale orbit
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"fail"

mossy nimbus
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lol

rancid kestrel
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I have a couple of 960 4G.

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1440P is a weird resolution.

mossy nimbus
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true

rancid kestrel
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It's one that I am not going to be using, that's for sure.

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Well that's an oof.

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mossy nimbus
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what vr headset you got?

rancid kestrel
mossy nimbus
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oh

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kewl which one?

rancid kestrel
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The Vive.

mossy nimbus
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nice lol

pale orbit
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much easier to run then a modern headset with it's 1080 x 1200 res per eye

mossy nimbus
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true

pale orbit
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you can get away with a much slower gpu then what you will need for a more modern one

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but if you ever plan on upgrading to a newer vr headset or also like to play non vr games you should get the best gpu you can within reason instead of going really cheap to match what you would need for the vive

rancid kestrel
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It's not like I use 4K or anything.

pale orbit
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a better gpu will let you do some super scaling resolution in vr games as well and that will help the visuals some when it downsamples to the vr's display

rancid kestrel
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Or I could just keep it at native and use less power.

pale orbit
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true, but you may not want to go back after testing it.

rancid kestrel
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If I never test it I will never know. :-P

pale orbit
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although if valve is still doing this you may already be seeing it in some steam apps

rancid kestrel
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I think I have it manually set to 60% right now anyway.

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Maybe not that low.

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But I turned a lot of the auto stuff off so it would do less things.

pale orbit
rancid kestrel
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Which actually made it work better.

pale orbit
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these people seem to think a 2080 super would let you do about 150%

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so anything faster/newer then that would be able to do more

gloomy crater
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I have a 6900XT and have my index set to 200%, not that it means much

rancid kestrel
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I'm sticking with NV for now.

haughty thistle
lime pewter
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I remember a game where they instead added official mod loader, supporting mods, even supporting cheating mods that add extra buttons, waypoints, etc

wispy orchid
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like, its vrchat, its an app to socialize

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its not a friggin competitive game jfc

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"oh no, characters can move in the air" to do what? look up skirts and down dresses?

lime pewter
#

if I were them I would just be like "I am lazy, I'll let y'all do the work for me"

wispy orchid
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they already have a super active community that makes amazing things, they should just capitalize on it like minecraft

haughty thistle
#

EAC actually isn't meant for that. They say it's to prevent malicious clients. Only problem is, that they exclude people who relied on mods not to make the experience better, but to make it actually usable. I'm speaking ofc about deaf people and people with limited vision and speech impairments...

lime pewter
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basically needs mods, can play without, but has issues like broken UI

haughty thistle
#

In-fact, a lot of people who like to tinker with their OS and software in general will probably be prevented from running the game. Had an Anti-Cheat system call me a cheater in the past because I had Docker installed. For those who don't know, Docker is an Industry standard to run small applications in their own encapsulated environmets...

lime pewter
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could imagine people quitting ig

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I only know "men look like women, and mute themselves to fool others"

haughty thistle
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I'm neither against mods not for them. I personally don't use any. But if EAC lables me a cheater, I guess there's nothing I can do but to look elsewhere. I use my machine for coding too, and if a game doesn't like that, then I won't like that game

harsh niche
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That’s pretty funny how they outraged an entire community lol

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like with Minecraft and the reporting system

rancid kestrel
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I think someone needs to make a FOSS version of this.

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Especially with the malware.

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Like, that's insane.

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The reporting system is stupid.

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Day one people automated mass submitting reports.

unkempt basin
haughty thistle
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Imagine if Valve were to just de-list VRC for a bit to cover their own asses. A game on their platform suddenly getting super negative attention after an update never looks good to outsiders, even if they didn't had anything to do with it...

rancid kestrel
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That's an oof, my review was caught in a filter.

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haughty thistle
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Yeah, Valves anti-bombing system is in full effect already

rancid kestrel
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This is a legitimate review. :-)

haughty thistle
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Yeah, but after multiple cases where a game got bombed just for the lulz, Valve did implement a system that throws any review into a review loop, if the game's reviews suddenly shifted in the last like hour or so, and especially so if the user has barely any play time in that game...

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Mine for example went straight through:

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rancid kestrel
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I haven't played much because I haven't managed to get an avatar ported yet.

haughty thistle
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As you can see, I have quite the playtime in that game. Taking a break for a few days doesn't mean much to me, as I haven't played it a lot recently anyways. It does say 21h in the last two weeks, but that's because I was tweaking things on my world and avatar and had the game running idle for quite a while because of that...

rancid kestrel
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I should go post a similar review on another game I installed the other day, I did manage to remove the malware at least.

haughty thistle
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Oh boy! Valve has already stepped in PepeLaugh

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Now if they just direct that moderation at the right people, that'd be great

rancid kestrel
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My review should be fine, I'm not harassing anyone.

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I stated a fact and my recommendation.

gloomy crater
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kept mine short to help prevent it from being flagged

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lime pewter
#

What does that anti cheat do

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I’ve known some that autoban anything that seems suspicious, even if its just “to consistent movement”

haughty thistle
#

Anti-Cheat basically tries to detect any intrusion into the application, causing unwanted behaviour. That includes, but is not limited to, changes to the main game files, changes to values in memory, preventing applications with the ability to modify memory space from running, etc.
They often cause more colateral damage then they actually help. One major thing they generally prohibit is the use of a VM to run the game, as with a VM, they can't fully prevent memory alterations. So as a safety precaution they refuse to work on a VM.
In the case of VRChat, they'd just use the Anti-Cheat to prevent the game from launching if any anomalies have been detected. They won't ban you for those tho...

lime pewter
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don't they allow nsfw in private places actually

haughty thistle
lime pewter
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about 6 year olds going to school in VR chat

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?

haughty thistle
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My only complaint about the change is that EAC is essentially a root kit, and thus an inherently a security hole...

haughty thistle
lime pewter
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I don't even consider 25 year olds as adult

haughty thistle
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It get's really hard from a legal standpoint to moderate between 18+ and under 18. So it makes sense for them to just ban it outright. Which tbh I fully support. If you want $€/, then just do it irl for god's sake...

lime pewter
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heard some very weird stories about VRChat

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some pretty weird places on there

rancid kestrel
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Maybe I should reinstall that other thing just to see how big the rootkit is.

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Might be interesting to throw it in Ida.

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Eh, I'm not good enough at RE for that yet.

pale orbit
harsh niche
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sitting here in front of a bbq restaurant for the past 30 minutes waiting for someone from OfferUp to come buy this new quest 2 elite strap

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now rethinking my life

gloomy crater
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So I've come up with an idea

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It's occurred to me that there's literally no reason for my sister to be using an oculus quest 2

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She only cares about PCVR, never actually uses it standalone which is where it performs the best, constantly complains about having to charge it and how long it takes to get it set up to play

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So I'm thinking... Why don't I just gift her a reverb G2? It'll literally just be a better experience in every way, and I can take the quest off her hands to experiment with it. I travel a lot, and not needing to tie my Facebook account to it or mess with PCVR connectivity would be an okay use case I think

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She also complains about having to use earbuds, which the reverb's speakers would solve

rapid otter
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The time to set up is a pain that's for sure

gloomy crater
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What's the difference in fov between the quest 2 and the reverb g2 I wonder

harsh niche
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pretty sure the g2 has a little more

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yeah it’s about 10 degrees more

stark wharf
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knowing that the quest 2 will have a price increase and I've wanted to dive into VR for a time now

  1. should I pull the trigger?
  2. do I need a link cable to play on PC or is the wireless mode good enough?
  3. is there a better option at the same price range?
harsh niche
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  1. yes if you absolutely need the wireless feature, this ties into #3
  2. the link cable helps a lot, airlink kinda sucks imo but virtual desktop is pretty good
  3. the hp reverb g2 can be bought for like $350 on ebay but it takes more power from your pc because of the higher res, and it doesn't have wireless
gloomy crater
#

If you're dead set on buying a quest 2 and nothing else, then this is the best time to do it. You don't need a link cable to play on PC, the wireless performs about on par with the link as long as you have a proper Internet setup in my experience. If you don't care about wireless and only ever plan on using it tethered to your PC and don't have any interest in using it standalone, then I'd advise against getting a quest 2 and either waiting for a future headset or picking something else

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The reverb g2 is the obvious choice for relatively well priced good quality dedicated PCVR, but they're $600 brand new so unless you're good buying used, it's a hard decision to make

crystal sluice
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Eac on vrchat

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Mods are over

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Another reason not to play vrc

stark wharf
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thanks for the opinions, I'm interested in the stand alone part and in trying VR in general so I think I'll use the price increase as a good enough justification for buying it...
also I'm not from the US and in my country would be very easy to flip it used for almost the same price as new if I don't like it since nobody sells it here

harsh niche
#

the new blade and sorcery update is bonkers

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crisp nymph
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is there any new offerings on the market?

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budget of sub $800 cad, currently have a q2, but the oculus link compression makes it pretty ehhh for the games i play (mainly dcs and warthunder)

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was thinking maybe the g2 but didn't like the controller much

digital scaffold
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not really

lime pewter
#

what actually is the best sub 3000, lel

pulsar glacier
lime pewter
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no, because that's easy

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just in terms of VR, what is the best you could do with 3000
(wouldn't ask here anyway about GPUs if I were somehow not capable of thinking "3090 TI costing 2000$, beats another GPU from the same brand that costs 1/4th")

pulsar glacier
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$3000 then

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I would think you could make a pretty badass vr pc with that budget

lime pewter
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technically euro, but the amount stays the same because import tax

pulsar glacier
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True

lime pewter
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just reached the end of what I need, so now I am just getting what I want/feel like would help with certain things

pulsar glacier
#

Personally if I already had a pc that ran everything wonderfully, and had a good budget I would go all out on peripherals

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But that's just me

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I'm going to sleep now ✌️

lime pewter
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with the budget I set for everything, my entire setup would cost me 25k

lime pewter
#

basically overkill on everything so I can save up for multiple years after
cheaper to spend a few hundred more from the start, lel

wispy orchid
# stark wharf knowing that the quest 2 will have a price increase and I've wanted to dive into...

There's no standalone vr that can be bought for the price of a q2, so if you want to play games that are simple or optimized for the quest then you don't even need a PC, so beat saber, pistol whip, super hot, vrchat too even if it's killing itself with dumb decisions. But while those games can be good, it's not powerful enough to even try things like boneworks or HL:Alyx. If you do play with PC I suggest using Virtual Desktop, it gives you more settings and less trouble compared to AirLink or even the cable because oculus can make a good headset for cheap but they can't handle two devices communicating. So in that case ideally you'd want a cheap router dedicated to the quest in the same room, though in many instances it's not necessary, like with me and my Comcast aio. Also I suggest getting a third party facial interface that cools better, i got a kiwi design version.

But honestly even if the g2 is a bit better, it's also not because you need to connect it with wires.

earnest canopy
little plinth
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Sucks as I'm planning to get one in october

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My other option, the G2 i heard has shitty tracking.

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And is pcvr only

haughty thistle
#

The tracking on the G2 really isn't that bad...

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And because it's PCVR only, it's PCVR experience is waaay superior to that of the Quest. The truth is, anything that tries to do multiple things at once, can never be good at any of them. Perfect example of this rule are 2in1 laptops. Neither particularly good laptops, nor particularly good tablets

lime pewter
little plinth
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yeah but it'll be cool if i like can play VR on the go

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which is what the quest 2 can do

little plinth
#

and no wireless which sucks

lime pewter
#

ew wireless

haughty thistle
#

I've had both a Quest and a G2, and can say from personal experience that it's absolutely usable. It's not the WMR tracking of the early days, and it's certainly not the Vive Cosmos Tracking

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Wireless on the other hand is a nice to have, not something that is absolutely necessary. I'd much rather take the way superior image quality and native resolution of a cabled PCVR headset, over something that has an inherent delay due to image en- and decoding...

lime pewter
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keyboard, mice, controllers, etc are fine

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a display, no

five years of chickenbread is typing... later

wispy orchid
haughty thistle
#

Frankly, PCVR on the Quest in general sucks. But mostly because it doesn't have a native display in. If it had that, then at least the wired experience would be decent.
The only decent wireless VR solution I've tried so far is the Vive Wireless Adapter on the Vive Pro. But it's A. expensive, B. Power hungry and C. has limited bandwidth for accessories. Wanna have a face tracker and use your own headphones? Not enough bandwidth unfortunately. Because it's using 60GHz Wifi to get enough bandwidth in the first place, it also requires somewhat of a line of sight to the base antenna. It's not as bad as with an optical solution (no direct line of sight between transmitter and receiver = no signal), but you'll be able to tell if you're leaning forward too much with your back to the antenna (image get's pretty low resolution to cope with the reduced bandwidth)

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Hah! Got my message out before you send yours! xD

little plinth
lime pewter
haughty thistle
lime pewter
#

no

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its called skill

haughty thistle
#

smh

lime pewter
haughty thistle
#

That's... and odd question

lime pewter
#

why

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there are enough people in their 80s who've never experienced it, trying it out in VR instead

haughty thistle
#

80s? How old you think I am?!

lime pewter
#

23-27

haughty thistle
#

Good guess

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But no. I'm not interested in that sort of stuff

lime pewter
#

I am 598 yo

lime pewter
haughty thistle
#

Nope

lime pewter
#

roleplaying?

haughty thistle
#

Not even that

lime pewter
#

any form of

haughty thistle
#

I'm a pretty boring bloke, I know

lime pewter
#

earning 100k annually ?

haughty thistle
#

I wish 😂

lime pewter
#

10k?

haughty thistle
#

Although, I guess in some currencies, that should be doable. The 100k I mean...

lime pewter
#

I would also be a millionaire in some countries probably

haughty thistle
#

cough Vietnamese Dong cough

lime pewter
#

this is worse

haughty thistle
#

Oh damn!

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At least with the VND you can buy games on steam

lime pewter
haughty thistle
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xD

lime pewter
haughty thistle
#

smh

#

Mind you, this is very off-topic

lime pewter
#

if yes can you gift it to me

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and if the answer is yes and no in that order, please tell me which the best one is, out all consumer grade stuff, lel

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
lime pewter
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I am lazy

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thought about this one, lel

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haughty thistle
lime pewter
#

on the headset and stuff needed

haughty thistle
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The headset alone is 2k. Factor in another 600 bucks for lighthouses and controllers

lime pewter
#

index controllers + that headset I thought about personally

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rest, no idea

haughty thistle
#

Plus a good headset with a short 4-pole audio cable is recommended too. The one I have is the Sennheiser GameOne. It's successor (Sennheiser PC38x) is still available, for I belive 130$...

lime pewter
haughty thistle
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You need a mic tho

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The Varjo doesn't have any audio whatsoever

lime pewter
#

that I do know

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why do you need it tho

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would probably just stick on a modmic, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

haughty thistle
#

Social VR titles, like VRC, CVR or Neos? VC in games like Pavlov?

haughty thistle
lime pewter
#

I don't even speak english is one issue tho

lime pewter
haughty thistle
#

weight

lime pewter
#

something I do honestly need, lol

hexed coyote
fleet temple
#

how big is the difference between an Oculus Quest 2 headset and a HTC Vive

rancid kestrel
#

From what I understand the Vive has less latency and that's one of the most important things in VR.

haughty thistle
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Less latency, a sharper image (as you actually get native resolution in PCVR) but in the case of the OG Vive or even the VP1 less detailed image (due to a lower physical resolution). The OLED screens of the VP1 and OG Vive also have way better contrast and color fidelity. I personally say it'd be worth it. Plus you may also get a higher FOV, due to how the IPD adjustment works on the Vive vs the Quest 2

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Oh, and not to mention the better tracking on the Lighthouse enabled headsets

rancid kestrel
#

Oh yeah they have backwards tracking.

#

I'm thinking my tracking issues might be some sort of weird occlusion thing.

#

Is it possible to get the lighthouses to stay off after a power outage?

haughty thistle
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Not that I know off?

#

You could use smart plugs, but those may not allow the lighthouses to properly spin down?

little plinth
#

whats the difference between quest 2 USA and the JPN model

lime pewter
#

probably one supports 500kg weight, one doesn't

little plinth
#

soo

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no difference

lime pewter
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no idea, just a guess

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the only thing I can imagine is "larger"

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or "supports fat blobs"

sullen linden
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ah yes

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your head, where the largest fat reserves are

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but yeah if there is a difference its probably bigger

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probably none though

lime pewter
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jeez

harsh niche
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fr

shrewd parrot
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Anyone knows a bit about the rift s ?
I am having some drift with my controler and was wondering if it is a known issue?
(cause I know the microphone is trash and known to go full robot too and i now use my headset over instead

tranquil pawn
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sad to see no one has the same headset as me lel

finite yarrow
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@haughty thistle are those all working? Why 2x Q1?

haughty thistle
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Wut?

haughty thistle
finite yarrow
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Yea

haughty thistle
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Yeah, they're all working. An no, I don't have multiple Quest 1s. Look closelier, because one is a CV1 🙂

trim geyser
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Does steamvr work with linux?

haughty thistle
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Yes

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Just make sure the headset you have works natively with SteamVR, as the additional software most headsets require won't work on Linux

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(p.s. SteamVR on Linux is kinda jank; depending on your distro it may work better or worse)

trim geyser
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Ok

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So a quest 2 probably won't work on linux

haughty thistle
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You can use the Linux port of ALVR. But ALVR is kinda jank to begin with, making the jankness of the setup even more jank 😄

rancid kestrel
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Does anyone know if it's possible to setup Steam VR to use a dummy HMD without preventing me from having to constantly change settings?

slim bluff
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Can the 3050 mobile do vr with the quest 2? I’m not planning on playing any super demanding games or anything, I’m just curious if It would be better than the standalone quest 2

wispy orchid
# slim bluff Can the 3050 mobile do vr with the quest 2? I’m not planning on playing any supe...

I think it's not that different in performance to a 1060 desktop, so it should be ok. You can do some more intensive stuff too, just be warned it's not going to be amazing. Like you should get a playable experience out of half life: Alyx, but not something like boneworks. I had a 1060 mobile and it was... Tolerable. Though if you do something like beat saber with mods then it should be great.

digital bolt
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Are you talking abt the 6gb or 3gb 1060?

wispy orchid
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6gb

slim bluff
wispy orchid
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Hmm, the 4gb of vram may affect that

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Actual performance will vary

slim bluff
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I’m sure it’ll be tolerable

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Plus the laptop I’ve found is a pretty good deal imo

wispy orchid
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I mean, worst case it's not a bad headset, and you can still play standalone

digital bolt
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it depends on cooling and power limits etc of the specific laptop too so kinda just have to try it out for a concrete answer

slim bluff
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I plan to upgrade the ram to 16 gb dual channel

wispy orchid
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I don't like that it doesn't show what cpu it has

slim bluff
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I’ll try to check into that

wispy orchid
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11300H

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Hmm

slim bluff
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It’s mainly going to be for school so it’ll probably suffice

slender solar
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my 10300h and rtx3060 has been doing me good so far in its 1st year

wispy orchid
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I'm gonna be honest, due to the inherant inability to upgrade the CPU and GPU in this laptop I'm going to suggest spending more and getting more. It's not a great CPU, you should honestly have 16gb of ram in 2022, and the 3050 is only about as powerful as a 1060, so if you got something used you probably could get more performance easily.

slender solar
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or a 3060 which is basically a desktop 2060

wispy orchid
slim bluff
wispy orchid
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Eh gaming laptop battery life sucks new anyway

digital bolt
slender solar
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i only chucked a 16gb ram and 2tb samsung 970 for the upgrade

wispy orchid
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The laptop hes looking at is $600

digital bolt
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o sh

slim bluff
slender solar
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i would like to have a desktop for vr and use the acer nitro for streaming but ehhh

digital bolt
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i assumed like 8-900

slim bluff
slender solar
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got no clue whats this in aud

wispy orchid
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Well if you don't have more to spend, I can't say there's any options at that price point for new for the same specs

slim bluff
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Hm

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Ok

wispy orchid
#

But I would very much suggest adding more ram to 16gb. I don't know if one or both dimm slots are populated, though I'm assuming it only comes in 8/16 versions and since OEMs like saving money and effort, they'll only stock 8gb sticks (translation: I'm guessing there should be only a single 8gb stick inside and an additional open slot you can throw in a second stick, just opening it up will tell you if I'm right or not)

slim bluff
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It says under the “asked questions” tab that there’s a single 8gb stick and it can be easily upgraded to 16

haughty thistle
#

A laptop in a Tent position has as much access to air as it possibly can, and it does lead to mearuable better cooling (usually) and thus better performance (as laptops are pretty much always limited by how well their cooling system can keep the components cooled)

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Kinda like this:

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slim bluff
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Interesting, thanks for the tip

haughty thistle
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And ofc, make sure the Laptop is plugged in and fully charged. That'll give the hardware the highest power budget the BIOS is willing to give to the silicon 🙂

wispy orchid
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setting the fans to 100% will also also allow it the highest thermal budget it has

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though of course it will sound like someone is trying to fly an rc toy

slim bluff
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Lmao
It won’t bother me that much since I already play vr with a fan blowing on me to combat getting all sweaty from beat saber

wispy orchid
gentle coral
spare urchin
dim smelt
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Is there any good headsets for motion sickness?

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Like vr sounds fun but I’ll get motion sick playing like portal or super monkey ball

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(If I did buy one I’d get the index)

atomic walrus
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Just be prepared to return the device if you can’t handle it. Nausea is really a per-person thing with VR. I know friends who can handle any 2D game but can’t do VR, and I know people who are the opposite

dim smelt
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Thank you

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What does inside-out tracking mean?

haughty thistle
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Basically, if it has cameras on the headset for tracking your head in 3D space, it's inside-out tracked. That includes most options these days unfortunatly. Headsets like the Quest 2 and Reverb G2 are inside-out tracked, whereas the Index is Outside-In tracked

atomic walrus
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The quest uses cameras inside the device to figure out where you are. The index has stations you mount around you to see where you are

dim smelt
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Oh okay yeah I’d want the stations anyways

atomic walrus
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It’s overall a better experience

haughty thistle
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(apparently a typo made the bot upset >.<)

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Idk anymore. The bot keeps flagging me...

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Set your Index to 144Hz. It does help with motion sickness 🙂

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And reduce game settings & render resolution in SteamVR to actually hit 144fps

leaden ruin
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and i got sick in the car alot but i kinda grew over that

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so i guess you can get used to vr sickness and grow over it a bit

leaden ruin
atomic walrus
leaden ruin
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i had it in the beginning and still sometimes have it when im playing vivecraft for a bit too long

atomic walrus
leaden ruin
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i guess that is a bit true, i myself just have a 27 inch monitor but never had any sickness from it

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but ultrawide is ofcourse more in your fov

wispy orchid
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If you stream to the quest 2 using virtual desktop you can enable 120hz and SSW and you'll only need to hit 60fps, which is more much more likely to be sustained and reduce the jitter. Also I was getting motion sick for the first couple weeks myself as well, but just make sure the headset is tight and secure and try to play for at least an hour a day for a while to get used to it.

little plinth
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@dim smelt anti motion sickness meds can help during the first adjustment periods

pulsar glacier
#

Did meta just drop support for Quest 1? Where am I supposed to go

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torpid plinth
#

Is oculus or meta better

rapid otter
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Oculus became meta

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It was renamed meat basically

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Looking up only if you wanna know more

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@torpid plinth

torpid plinth
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Wait I forgot about that

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I meant like meta/oculus or HTC Vive or other brands

lime pewter
#

I would like to see someone wear meat

rapid otter
#

😅

lime pewter
rapid otter
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😂

opal prairie
wispy orchid
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Basically need to build up a tolerance to unstable fps before doing some intensive games

gloomy crater
#

So has anyone tried out ChilloutVR since it seems to be the place to go until VRChat fixes their idiocy or dies?

empty plover
gloomy crater
#

I see. My family members all live super far away from each other, but we were always able to meet up in VR Chat for birthdays and other occasions. Since you could play on flat screen, even my older family members were able to get a hang of it and were just happy to feel like they were there with the whole family taking part in the celebration. I hope we'll still be able to do that in the future, even if it's not on VRC specifically

haughty thistle
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Chillout feels pretty Alpha-like, as-in, the UI feels clunky and very MVP (Minimum Viable Product) like. It has some cool things going for it, but it's not even as closely polished as VRChat and Neos are.
Talking about Neos, it's more something for people who like to tinker with things. It's pretty cool that you can essentially play around with everything, but it also makes it way more difficult for newcomers to get comfortable with the Interface

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It's unfortunate, but right now, outside of Corporate Hell, like Horizons, and children's games, like RecRoom and Roblox, I don't really see a viable competitor to VRChat.
I'd love to play around more with Chillout or Neos, but neither seem good options for someone new to VR, who just wants to chill with friends...

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Only time will tell how this post ages, I guess xD

lime pewter
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all you can do is hope there won't be a replacement as ugly as what meta is trying to do

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jeez, that design is disgusting

haughty thistle
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Horizons is what Meta is doing

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I'm calling it "Corporate Hell" for a reason...

gloomy crater
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Meta out here alienating a large population by not allowing ppl to have legs in horizons

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|| foot fetishists ||

lime pewter
#

meta out here making disgusting character design*

gloomy crater
#

But fr, it sucks what's going on in the social VR space and I hope everything gets better sometime soon

gloomy crater
lime pewter
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give us the cute anime stuff

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or shreks

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shrek best girl

thorny plume
#

Looking through buying FBT tracking stuff (mainly 3x vive 3.0s and 2x 1.0 base stations). Is there a reason the second hand prices for the different versions are exactly the same?

Was there just not a lot changed? Or does it have more to do with newer headsets supporting older versions.

grim gulch
#

rift or rift s for beat saber?

gloomy crater
#

I like to think the Rift S is strictly an upgrade over the OG Rift (CV1) but some people don't see it that way

vivid geyser
#

Roblox VR has potential

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Even some games right now like Opposer are really good and somewhat comparable to other VR fps games.

dull tide
#

Recommended Accessories for VR

  • A computer
  • an HMD and cooresponding HID
  • A Fan.
wispy orchid
#

feel bad for people who didnt buy their quest 2 yet since the price just went up

hasty pulsar
dull tide
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Meanwhile I purchased some planos and some prescriptions for my quest 2

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I just recently started wearing glasses when computing and Its worrying wearing glasses in an HMD and possibly scratching the lenses

lime pewter
hasty pulsar
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i called her

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ask her if billy is okay

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if you talk to eugeniia

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because I have.

harsh niche
#

huh?

sleek marsh
#

is the upgrade from a cv1 to valve index worth it? does it also get so hot on the face? hidethepain

dull tide
dull tide
halcyon quest
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Hey guys, I am looking for a budget VR headset. I dont care about standalone software, as I am running it off a PC. My budget is basically as little as possible.

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I am looking to do basic things like random light vr games

stark sequoia
#

i needed certain specs that this had. never looked back

haughty thistle
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Yeah, the G2 is an often overlooked Headset, despite how usable the Tracking is...

gloomy crater
#

I'm planning on getting my sister a Reverb G2 as soon as I have the money for it. I had half of it saved but then they took out my car insurance payment without telling me, and then I had to fulfill a pre order on something I signed up for over a year ago out of the blue. That along with the fact that my work has cut my hours down to 111 for the entirety of the next six months means I can either continue working 20 hours a week and be out of hours in a month and a half but get the money way faster, or only work 5 hours a week and make $180 a month. So I don't think my sister is gonna be getting her new headset any time soon.

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Which sucks bc she's been having a lot of issues with her quest 2 recently due to software updates wrecking her performance

gloomy crater
#

On the bright side, if she likes the Reverb G2 enough, she'll be giving me her quest 2, which I'll get much more use out of since I already have the proper prescription lenses for it, having owned a quest 1 as my first headset, and since I already have an index, it would only ever be used for standalone stuff while I'm traveling to places I can't take my full setup with me, which I think is its best use case tbh

stark sequoia
gloomy crater
#

I've already got a burner phone to install the app to so that they don't get any of my regular phone usage data. And like I said, I owned a quest 1 as my first headset, so I've already had plenty of data taken.

haughty thistle
#

I just watched Ready Player One and I can highly recommended it to anyone into XR. It's a really great movie and it kinda shows where the whole XR space might be headed, if we don't embrace competition in both the hardware and software markets

gloomy crater
#

I also highly recommend the book if anyone's into that kind of stuff. There are a few good references in the book that had to be cut out of the movie to save time, like reenacting the entirety of the movie wargames and playing a perfect 256 level game of pacman

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I remember when the movie came out, people laughed at the whole 'we can cover this much % of the screen with ads' thing, but now not so much

haughty thistle
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Yup. It's a thing companies will definitely try. Whatever penny they can squeeze out of their users/customers, they'll try to squeeze out...

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Only thing I found odd about the movie is that it seemed to have been mastered at mixed resolutions. I watched the 4k Blu-Ray version, and while the main movie was all nice and crisp (like you could see the film grain, as the life-action shots were shot on film and not digital), but then the credits at the end (and also the Text in the intro) looked like it was upscaled from like 720p or 1080p xD
Just found that interesting. I'm not normally a pixel peeper, just trying to enjoy the movie, but the upscaling artefacts on that white text at the end was kinda jarring ngl... (especially for a movie that's all about high-tech xD)

lime pewter
#

they look like insects

frail yacht
#

which i7?

gloomy crater
#

I'm gonna assume an I7 12700k maybe? Just going by the ~$375ish price tag. In which case, it completely depends on what your current CPU is and if you really need the new CPU

gloomy crater
#

I personally don't think it would be worth it to spend $100 on a 4790k when the amount of performance you'd gain is way smaller than the difference in performance you'd get with a full platform swap

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If you just want to play VR, the Quest 2 is imo best in standalone mode where your PC specs don't matter because the headset is doing everything on its own. If you just want to play VR, then that's the way to go rather than upgrading your whole PC. If you do want to upgrade your PC, then rather than spending money on a slightly newer processor, I'd recommend doing a full platform swap bc it would just provide better performance for the money you'd spend than just upgrading the processor

wispy orchid
#

A 12100 utterly demolished a 4790k, 12400 even moreso. It's not worth staying on such an ancient socket.

wispy orchid
gloomy crater
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If you're upgrading your PC specifically to play VR, then you're better off getting a different headset all together. Just because the quest 2 can play PCVR doesn't mean you should buy one specifically to do so. Just look at my sister, she bought a quest 2 and has never touched the standalone mode. She bought it strictly for tethered PCVR and she absolutely hates all of the little annoyances that the Q2 has when trying to use it like a native headset. So I'd say either buy a Q2 and use it standalone, and then if you still want to upgrade your computer afterwards, you'd be able to do so, and you'd have the Q2 to use for PCVR if the urge hits you (as long as you're okay with how much of a pain it is). But if you want the better gaming specs out of the box, then upgrade your system first and play flat screen games until you can get something like a used vive or an HP Reverb G2. It'll just be a better experience overall that way

thorny plume
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I use my quest 2 exclusively to connect through steam vr using airlink. Honestly the only issue I’ve had with it was it’s short battery life, but that was solved with an external pack. Other than that, sometimes games won’t launch in vr mode but that’s more to do with steamvr (after it shows my headset connected) than anything else.

dull zealot
#

what i need to look for a mid tier vr pc ??

wispy orchid
# dull zealot what i need to look for a mid tier vr pc ??

anything as or more powerful than a 1070, if youre getting new stuff then a 3060 would be better. The cpu doesnt have to be great, but as long as it isnt super slow then you'll be fine with a lot of stuff. Buying new, a 12100 would be enough, though a 12400 would be better for "future proofing". 16gb+ of ram, personally i think people should get 32gb for multitasking, but 16gb as a minimum.

For the cpu and gpu there are comparable options from prior generations that you may find good deals on, though i wouldnt go back too far in generations.

also, if buying a prebuilt like i think you are, compare prices for pretty much the same computer across many sites. amazon, newegg, ibuypower, and brands like acer, corsair, msi. If you dont have a great cpu, dont get ripped off with an AIO liquid cooler theyre charging too much for. Check how many fans the pc comes with, you dont want to get a pc that only has a single 92mm exhaust fan for the cpu and thats it. also avoid alienware/dell altogether. and razor.

graceful quarry
#

Is there a cheap way to get a meta quest 2 in Australia 🇦🇺, it's expensive here, 680 bucks

wispy orchid
graceful quarry
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That is true

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I'll check there

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The cheapest is 630 aud, still helps though

lament ether
#

dam oculus rift s

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cant order it anymore

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glad I got it a few years ago

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I say that but it looks like the quest is superior

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dam

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They came a long way

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in that regard

haughty thistle
#

You're probably still getting a sharper image in the Rift S (if your IPD matches that of the headset), plus you get a much lower latency thanks to the native display input. The Quest is a decent budget option, but not the end all be all that some people make it out to be

lament ether
#

The main issue I have with VR is lack of games

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there isnt that many good games

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that I like playing

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Still love the few games I bought when I purchased my vr headset though

lament ether
#

so that would make latency issue out of the question, wouldnt it?

haughty thistle
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Nope

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The Quest doesn't have a native display input, meaning the image needs to be compressed and send via USB 3 or Wifi to the headset to be decompressed there

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They Type-C port on the Quest is kinda like the Type-C port on your phone, it can only carry USB data, not DisplayPort

rapid otter
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(And power too)

wispy orchid
#

I wonder if they'll add it for q3 next year

pale orbit
#

the pico neo 2 which is more or less a quest 2 clone (both made in the same place afaik) does have the ability to do displayport out

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so disappointing they didn't bother adding that to the quest 2

harsh niche
#

yeah idk why they didn't

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is it that much more complicated or expensive to make to make it less of a "well it can do pcvr" to actually solid?

pale orbit
#

I doubt it would have been that much more expensive, the quest 2 seems to have all the same hardware as the pico so they either omitted one or two small IC's to shave a couple dollars of the bill of materials

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or worse the hardware can do it right now but there's some licensing fee to have it work and they won't pay it to keep again the total cost down

harsh niche
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that would be so annoying if that’s true

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i feel like someone would’ve discovered that by now though by taking it apart or something

lament ether
#

when I saw quest 1 i was like bruh da fuck

#

what about you

#

personally vr games using your phone

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was a dumb idea

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vr games need so much power

#

if you want good graphics

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and gameplay??

wispy orchid
#

games can be optimized more than you think, also most of the games on it dont need a ton of compute power. Video players, beat saber, even vrchat made a custom version to streamline it

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i forget if the q1 had a custom chip, but i know q2 has a custom chip which can handle the specific data consumption needs better than a regular phone

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you wont be playing Alyx or Boneworks on it

trim geyser
#

Honestly, Meta had become too focused on the metaverse. That's why as soon as a standalone steamvr headset comes out, I'm ditching them. No metaverse exists on steam. Steam doesn't allow purchases with crypto.

dull tide
#

Wee new eyepieces in

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lament ether
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for 3-4 hours

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then it gets boring

wispy orchid
#

i gave examples, and youre one person

lament ether
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people want good games in vr

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people that buy vr headset

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have money

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its such a niche

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and requires a good pc

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if you wanna play the latest title

tawdry dove
#

I'm wrong

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its the 835

harsh niche
#

I had a rift s for a month or two and sold it because I couldn’t even afford any games for it since I blew my money on the headset itself

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some vr games are kinda overpriced

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well not some but a lot really

lament ether
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its supply and demand really

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if more ppl get vr there will be more games , more competition etc.

wispy orchid
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Also vr games are more difficult and costly to make, and with a smaller number of consumers to buy them, the cost of the games are high

lament ether
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but its a niche so the game devs needs to make their profits from a smaller player base so they charge more

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yea.

haughty thistle
#

@pale orbit @harsh niche
Afaik the DisplayPort input on the Pico Neo 3 Link is through some special cable, it's not just a regular USB one. It does connect to the USB port, yes, but there's some special stuff going on next to the Type-C port and a regular USB-C cable won't connect through DP on the Pico afaik.
Also, you'd really think that Metabook would do something to make the PCVR experience better? They want you to use the damn' thing standalone. They only added PCVR capabilities to entice new customers...

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Nvm. I'll take that back what I said about the Pico. Seems like the only thing special about the included cable is a locking pin and the fact that it terminates with a full-size DP and USB-A plugs...

lime pewter
#

for me, Meta is to closed off and westernized to be appealing to me anyway

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hard to explain

haughty thistle
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I'm honestly surprised Meta isn't nailing down on Sideloading more. The Quest Eco System seems so much like Apple otherwise (as-in heavy handed walled garden for software, no availability of replacement parts)

lime pewter
#

There's always been some difference I can't explain, between american products, european products, japanese products, etc
in terms of software experience and hardware experience

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even if, all of them want purely earnings

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I mean, an obvious example would be western vs eastern in terms of gaming

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mature style vs very modernized/futuristic style

haughty thistle
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The Europeans usually only follow trends set by American companies, but then blow the whole thing way out of proportion. The best example of this that I can think of is BMWs heated seat subscription

lime pewter
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I've felt like europe is to america what apple is to android
as in, america is the one who does it first, then europe starts allowing it when it doesn't blow up anymore

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tho in the end, its about the same

lime pewter
#

the VR stuff meta makes just seems to "convenient" and "clean" to me
convenience over quality
(lower quality experience, just for full wireless option)

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some like that, you see it with PC cases as well (NZXT is the same to me)
just for some reason I've linked that with "Western products"
trading quality for slightly helpful features, even if it suffers in other aspects heavily
(something like wireless charging, to lazy to plug a cable in, and be willing to charge 3-10x as long)

haughty thistle
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That's because western customers tend to prefer convenience over quality. Meanwhile in Japan they had Home Video in HD in the 90s (MUSE & MUSE Laserdisc; both were 1030i so almost FullHD). As apparently there's a larger crowd there willing to pay more for the absolute best then there is here...

lime pewter
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meh, I belong to the "I am willing to pay as much as needed for max quality, just ain't paying 2x for 1% performance" group

haughty thistle
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Same

lime pewter
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there's a difference between high end and luxury products, I ain't entering luxury

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12k$ couch is dumb

haughty thistle
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Although, I guess I draw the line of "Too niche and thus far too expensive" line somewhere else I guess xD

lime pewter
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tho I usually decide to go a bit below it

haughty thistle
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5k on VR... Yeah about that... 😅

lime pewter
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a little bit more than half usually

lime pewter
haughty thistle
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You've seen my collection?

lime pewter
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talking about a single system btw

haughty thistle
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Ah

lime pewter
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like, "up to that much per system/item"

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audio is probably the most overkill of the bunch, lol

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"up to 25k on audio"

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tho would likely end up spending at most 15k

haughty thistle
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I honestly don't remember what I paid for my Audio Setup. I think it was like 700€, and almost half of that was the A/V receiver xD

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Guess that's what I get for wanting a custom system on a budget xD

lime pewter
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I currently only spent about 1.5k total on audio

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don't really want to go there until way into the future, because of the cost and my goal (moving away to another country)

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spending like 20k on audio would cost me about 2 years of savings

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bit to much for now

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for the most part, I end up spending about 50-66% of what I am willing to spend

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"the point where spending more won't actually improve the experience"

lime pewter
#

mono amps

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that's what I would do if I actually chose to get speakers instead

haughty thistle
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I mostly use headphones these days anyways. The speakers are more like a backup now and one of them holds my second monitor up xD

lime pewter
haughty thistle
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Why change something, if I'm happy with it as-is?

lime pewter
haughty thistle
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I'll stick with the 3 Rs. Mainly Reduce

lime pewter
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either breaks, or it just doesn't handle the new tasks

haughty thistle
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I only replace something, if I'm not happy with it (which is how my VR collection got to the point it is rn), if it's broken or no longer get's software support on a device, where I care about security (like my phone)

lime pewter
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I just replace something when it is incapable of doing something I need it to do basically

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if a dryer no longer dries clothes well anymore, I am buying a new one
if a computer doesn't run a program I need/want to use without causing me stress, I am upgrading
if an audio product sounds like crap on certain genres, I am getting one that does those genres amazingly
etc

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some things just get very expensive that way...

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others just cost a few hundred more, which is like a few weeks or so

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ultra high standards don't help tho
a single stutter is already to much, lel

thick coral
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what are good usb c to usb c connectors

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for vr

haughty thistle
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If you mean USB-C cable, then may I ask what you intend on using the cable for? Like for the Quest to play PCVR?

digital bolt
thick coral
haughty thistle
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Well, for that use case I mentioned, the best option is still the official cable. You can go cheaper, but those are all copper inside, making them stiffer and potentially not last as long...

lime pewter
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would you rather
VR headsets with locked down content like meta wants,
but only pay once
or
VR headsets with separate subscription based software
and controllers with extra features required for the software and the games released for it

which can be recreated but usually cost more because of obvious reasons...
they gonna want that 20-50%+ from people using their stuff, resulting in higher average cost, unless you go with their own

haughty thistle
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A subscription only makes sense for things that actually change with time

lime pewter
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not saying it doesn't have to hurt

haughty thistle
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But hardware doesn't change, so a subscription for hardware only makes sense if you actually get the hardware replaced if it breaks and when newer hardware comes out, you get the new stuff for no extra charge

lime pewter
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just, which pain would you rather deal with
being locked into a company, or pay 100 a month likely to have the freedom, and pay 10% more

haughty thistle
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As no company would be insane enough to do this, it won't happen

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You don#t have freedom, if you keep paying for it

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Either way is locked down AF

lime pewter
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not hardware subscription

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software subscription

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the hardware you buy, being allowed to join their network requires paying

haughty thistle
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If you need that software to run the hardware, then it might as well be the hardware

lime pewter
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you don't

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you just can't run their games and such

haughty thistle
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Yeah, in that case the subscription is essentially required to use the damn' thing, and thus is equal to a hardware subscription

lime pewter
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hardware + software with single one time payment
vs everything is more expensive, but you can use whatever you want for it

lime pewter
rough condor
lime pewter
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a console requires you to buy THEIR hardware

haughty thistle
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For me, Freedom means I can do whatever. That includes with the software I bought (maybe not cheating/modding the games, but use all the features I paid for, which includes mulitplayer)

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Anything else is not freedom imo

lime pewter
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freedom is a lie anyway

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life is still just wake up > eat > work > get home > eat > do what you want until you sleep > sleep > repeat

haughty thistle
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The fact that I need to connect to a server to even use my Varjo headset is quite a thorn in my eye. It means that whenever Varjo goes under, or they decide to shut down their servers, my hardware is essentially a paperweight. Even if I have the software, and SteamVR continues to exist, the hardware is absolute useless without an internet connection >.>

lime pewter
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meh, I am fine as long as I can avoid using facebook products at this point

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everyone using whatsapp makes it hard tho

haughty thistle
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You can pay to remove this online DRM, but it costs an additional 600$ >.>

lime pewter
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because you get things like "join our whatsapp group if you want us to shut up -your neighbours"

haughty thistle
lime pewter
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had to skip a night, because I ain't getting whatsapp for them to lower their volume but trade my phonenumber and hours a month wasted on denying spam calls

haughty thistle
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That's what "Nachtruhe" is for in Germany. 10PM on the clock. If you're not silent after that, you can get a hefty fine. There are exemptions issued for big events like Wacken Open Air but usually only for weekends

lime pewter
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the only two things I care about right now, in terms of what I don't want to use

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is phones with holepunch, and facebook's trash

lime pewter
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so its just useless

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and even if they answer its just "nah deal with it, we ain't going to do shit for that"

lime pewter
rough condor
lime pewter
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wot

lime pewter
rough condor
lime pewter
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then what

lime pewter
rough condor
lime pewter
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and what is that?..

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I don't speak zoomer memes?

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in fact, I don't speak memes at all

rough condor
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bruh

lime pewter
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I ain't reading that "35000 word"

lime pewter
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and what does this have to do with what I said?

rapid otter
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They are just profiting over companies that don't care about spending 600 $ on an unlock

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It's not like it needs to have internet to fundamentaly function like a quest could do download apps, it's juts glorified screen

gloomy crater
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Yeah that's just something left over that Varjo never bothered to change. The Aero is supposed to be the consumer version of a more expensive industry grade headset but they left the DRM on the consumer version for no apparent reason

harsh niche
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if you pay for something it’s yours

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it should be anyways 😳

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you guys heard about the subscription heated seats in a bmw?

gloomy crater
gloomy crater
harsh niche
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oops didn't see that

gritty trout
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Do you guys think that vr is mature enough on Linux to try?

mental cove
gritty trout
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I am strictly sticking to Linux

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But thanks anyways

mental cove
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Just so you can use windows whenever you wanna play games and then Linux as your actual computer.

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Oh ok.

gritty trout
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I don't have a vr headset yet so it was moreso a question of curiosity

mental cove
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Oh. I mean I guess?

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If Linux has the same support as windows in terms of games and apps n stuff go for it!

haughty thistle
# gritty trout Do you guys think that vr is mature enough on Linux to try?

Not really. You can run SteamVR on Linux, yes, and it does work with Windows SteamVR titles through Proton. BUT: Hardware selection is very limited, and SteamVR on Linux is pretty jank. Let me elaborate:
Currently only native SteamVR headsets (aka OG Vive, Vive Pro 1 & Index) and the Quest and Vive Focus 3 through ALVR are supported. ALVR is kinda jank as-is, and I personally wasn't able to get a stable connection out of it period, no matter the settings (while both VD and Air Link worked just fine out of the box).
Controller pairing for Lighthouse controllers just opened a blank Window for me, the Desktop view in the dashboard was completely broken (showing both screens super small, but controls were as if I was looking at just one screen), the Index Mic wasn't detected (so I needed to plug in earbuds using a dedicated headphone jack adapter, as splitting audio between the index headphone jack and speakers didn't work either), SteamVR is only capable of detecting 7 devices period (so if you have 2 lighthouses, only two trackers can be connected, with 4 lighthouses, no trackers at all; this makes FBT basically impossible on Linux).
And after all of that pain with SteamVR, the performance you get is like 50-75% of what you get on Windows. So games that were barely playable on Windows before, due to low Framerates, are unplayable on Linux. Beat Saber wouldn't run at more then 90fps and VRChat was jittering like crazy (FPS counter said 30fps, but it felt more like 5-10fps).

I just can't recommend Linux for VR yet. May differ with certain Distros (I was running Linux Mint btw), but I'm not gonna be distro hopping if I'm not able to use a large chunk of my collection anyways...

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I use Linux mostly for Web browsing and working on personal projects. I totally love it, but I'll be sticking to Windows for Gaming for now..

gritty trout
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I see, thank you for the elaborate response

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I guess I'll be waiting then

harsh niche
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yeah Linux for gaming is just eh

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all games support windows but most don’t support Linux

pale orbit
lime pewter
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99% chance considering that name