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last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:24 PM

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I doesn't work and always does adding

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I think its something to do with how python is reading the type0 variable

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You can see I tried printing out what value type0 is and it says what its supposed to say

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if it says "M" itll still add

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although the add if statment has no "M"

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:30 PM

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that code is a bit.. mh

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lots of if's that you don't need

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:31 PM

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Is that true?

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I can't think of a way to do it better

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:32 PM

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@last lance its a good idea to store the options you present in your menu, as an array

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and then iterating over those, finding a match

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but let me first pull your code into a file, so I can test it

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:32 PM

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📎 calculator.py

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:34 PM

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@last lance the reason it only sums, and doesnt do any of the other operations

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has to do with an error on line 14

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you are assigning the input to type but you are evaluating type0

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though the substring does work..

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ahh I see your mistake

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:36 PM

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But then I set type0 to be type but remove every character besides the first

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:36 PM

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those or's you put in

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those are wrong

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:36 PM

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I would do "1, 2, blahashfkajhfkas"

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instead

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I guess

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Yeah, but what you do is you are comparingh type0 to 1

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and then you put an or

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with just a value

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you'd have to do:

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type0 == '1' or type0 == 'A'

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https://i.imgur.com/ye5n0xT.png

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that if statement will return true, even if its not a boolean, but a value.

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as shown here ^

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:39 PM

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So instead of if if type0 == '1' or 'A' or 'a' or '+': Could i do if type0 == '1, A, a, +':

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:41 PM

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nah

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you are doing a string comparison

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:42 PM

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So how would I do it?

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:43 PM

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you could declare a list of options for say.. add

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add = {'A', '1', '+'}

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and then do: if type0 in add:

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:43 PM

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That makes so much sense

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:43 PM

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@last lance even sexier solution would be to have a function which resolves another function

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so you have a get_operation(input)

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which returns a function that accepts two values

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:44 PM

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I am just taking a python course now I don't understand

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:44 PM

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but my python knowledge is serviceable at best

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Or could I do if type0 in '1, A, a, +':

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:44 PM

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no

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the { } signifies a list of values

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and '1, A, a' is a literal string

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:45 PM

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So if type0 in {1, A, a, +}:

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:45 PM

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yeah, but they are strings, so you need quotes around them

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if type0 in {'1', 'A', '+'}

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@last lance what I ment with function pointers

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https://i.imgur.com/2XcOfr0.png

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you can do stuff like this ^

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Oh yeah kinda like sending back data to functions in lua

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:48 PM

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lambdas yeah

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functions without a name

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you can pass them around, so if you have a get_operation()

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@last lance its powerful stuff

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https://i.imgur.com/m0K0tl4.png

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last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Thats pretty neat

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:51 PM

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like I said, there's far too many if's in your code :)

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:51 PM

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So I could just have one fuction do my entire thing

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:51 PM

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yeah, that whole block of if's is a lot of code, very unreadable

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and hard to modify if you want to add more features

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this way, its a bit more elegant

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and elegant solutions are usually the best ones ;)

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Thats cool

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:53 PM

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@last lance this is also why python so popular with mathematicians

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because you can easily describe a pure function

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lambda x, y, z: <some pure function>

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Yeah python seems to be popular in general meaning you can do pretty much everything with it

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:54 PM

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python's motto is: batteries included

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the standard library is very powerful indeed.

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:54 PM

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It feels like more intuitive lua to me

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as thats the only other launguage i "know"

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:55 PM

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lua I've only used a handful of times

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most noteably in minecraft xD

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:55 PM

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I used it when I still played roblox

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but roblox not on linux so rip

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:55 PM

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but as a word of wisdom

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https://i.imgur.com/FSbHxhq.png

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when you find yourself doing this kind of repetative code ^

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take a step back, and think about how you might go about simplifying your logic

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because this if block, is a compound question and answer

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it asks what the user selected, and then also has to do your calculation

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these are two different things, that should be in seperate bits of code

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:57 PM

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So instead I could use code to convert your string into a simple value and then another code block that does the operation based on that simple value

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:57 PM

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yeah: parse input, make decision, do calculation

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parse input, you did at the top

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:57 PM

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I still find indexes really fun

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Idk why

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:58 PM

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python has some neat indexing yeah

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somestring[0:1]

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:58 PM

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being able to use code and make basic algorithms to convert inputs to more understandable values

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:58 PM

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many languages lack this kind of construct

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I know java doesn't have it ;)

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in java you have to do somestring.substring(0, 1)

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but its not built into the language

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C# does have indexers I believe

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 1:59 PM

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It seems to me that python is replacing lua slowly in the few places its used

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 1:59 PM

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ya. https://i.imgur.com/yZsivjK.png

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nah

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lua has its own niche use

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its often used a scripting language to extend another system

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:00 PM

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What are the advantages of lua

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:00 PM

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since lua can be sandboxed in pretty much every other language

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python is its own instance

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I've used this before; https://github.com/luaj/luaj

GitHub

luaj/luaj

Lightweight, fast, Java-centric Lua interpreter written for JME and JSE, with string, table, package, math, io, os, debug, coroutine & luajava libraries, JSR-223 bindings, all metatags, wea...

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Its a lua interpreter than runs in a java virtual machine

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Oh

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That makes sense

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:01 PM

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same way roblox would allow a user to extend functionality

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they just sandbox this

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and the functions that you can call inside the lua sandbox, call functions in the actual game itself

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:02 PM

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the calculator works

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:02 PM

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@last lance I guess if you really wanted to: https://i.imgur.com/vNinhBJ.png

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this exists xD

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Jython, a Python interpreter written in java

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:03 PM

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lol

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:03 PM

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I've done something like this for business software before

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but not with python, but javascript in java

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monitoring daemon that had to use java libraries, but be scriptable.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci_Machine

Da Vinci Machine

The Da Vinci Machine, also called the Multi Language Virtual Machine, was a Sun Microsystems project aiming to prototype the extension of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) to add support for dynamic languages.
It was already possible to run dynamic languages on top of the JVM, but the goal is to ease new dynamic language implementations and increas...

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but polyglots interest me more

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:05 PM

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what

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:05 PM

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https://www.graalvm.org/

GraalVM

GraalVM is a high-performance runtime for Java and other languages that can increase application throughput and reduce latency; compile applications into sma...

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You can make frankenstein's monster with this ^

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its a polyglot engine, that allows a program to exist out of many different languages

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last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:07 PM

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So you could have an app a bit like how websites have frontends and backends made out of different launguages

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:07 PM

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GraalVM isnt exactly practical

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but it would allow you to call python code from another program written in a different language

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you can do this, without graalvm

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but you have to use some other kind of interface

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:07 PM

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so it could just be used like a bodge lol

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:07 PM

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exactly

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this is one of the toys, I wanted to explore at some point in the future

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I already wrote code in over a dozen different languages

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:08 PM

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dude i can barley right code in one

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:09 PM

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once you can code in one language

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you can code in all of them

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just have to learn the specifics

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:09 PM

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yeah coding is mostly just having the skills to think "how do i do this' and you never think about the launguage specific commands when doing that

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:10 PM

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yeah, you think about what your program is doing, in a logical sense

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the two most common ways to approach this

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either imperative/procedural, or functional

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procedural, is where you step through the program line by line

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and functional, is where you describe a function that you pass around

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the get_operation() bit we did, that's an example of functional programming

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where instead of a value, we pass a function

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm

Programming paradigm

Programming paradigms are a way to classify programming languages based on their features. Languages can be classified into multiple paradigms.
Some paradigms are concerned mainly with implications for the execution model of the language, such as allowing side effects, or whether the sequence of operations is defined by the execution model. Oth...

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:12 PM

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It's nice how efficient languages and how fast computers are right now so it doesn't really matter for most things to put much effort into optimization.

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:12 PM

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HAI 1.2
CAN HAS STDIO?
VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!"
KTHXBYE

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best programming language in the world ^

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http://www.lolcode.org/

nocturne galleon Mar 7, 2021, 2:13 PM

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warm sleet ```lol HAI 1.2 CAN HAS STDIO? VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!" KTHXBYE ```

😹

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:13 PM

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I'm more of a minecraft datapack guy myself

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:13 PM

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@nocturne galleon https://www.emojicode.org/

Emojicode

Emojicode is a full-blown programming language consisting of emojis.

nocturne galleon Mar 7, 2021, 2:14 PM

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warm sleet <@456226577798135808> https://www.emojicode.org/

This can't be serious

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:14 PM

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I hate it

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I hate it

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Its disgusting

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why would you want that

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thats stupid

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and dumb

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I love it

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:14 PM

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https://github.com/justinmeza/httpd.lol

GitHub

justinmeza/httpd.lol

A minimal HTTP server written in LOLCODE. Contribute to justinmeza/httpd.lol development by creating an account on GitHub.

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just.

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take a moment to look at the sourcecode.

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https://i.imgur.com/TTFzvkc.png

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O RLY? YA RLY

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that's if: then

nocturne galleon Mar 7, 2021, 2:15 PM

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lol code?
Seems, really easy to code on tho

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:15 PM

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hahahahahahaha

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im dying

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:15 PM

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I HAS A len ITZ I IZ STRING'Z LEN YR header MKAY

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this declares a string len

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instead of a ;

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you just write MKAY

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https://i.imgur.com/FqXSx3m.png

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BTW denotes a comment

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like # this is a comment in python

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:16 PM

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I made a emoji keyboard for emojicode.

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With high quality tangarine switches

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and a all gold metal frame

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for max emojicode performance

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:17 PM

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https://esolangs.org/wiki/Chef

Chef

nocturne galleon Mar 7, 2021, 2:17 PM

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👏

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Another programming language ^

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https://i.imgur.com/7pxddFM.png

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the preparation procedure, with the bowl and such, pushes and reads value from a stack

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the mixing bowl is analagous to memory

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:19 PM

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People: "It doesn't matter what coding language you learn"

Me:

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:19 PM

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well. esolangs are a mix of meme and art

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most well known esolang is still https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

Brainfuck

Brainfuck is an esoteric programming language created in 1993 by Urban Müller.Notable for its extreme minimalism, the language consists of only eight simple commands and an instruction pointer. While it is fully Turing complete, it is not intended for practical use, but to challenge and amuse programmers. Brainfuck simply requires one to break ...

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entire programming language uses only 8 symbols

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only language I know to be worse than that...

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whitespace.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language)

Whitespace (programming language)

Whitespace is an esoteric programming language developed by Edwin Brady and Chris Morris at the University of Durham (also developers of the Kaya and Idris programming languages). It was released on 1 April 2003 (April Fool's Day). Its name is a reference to whitespace characters. Unlike most programming languages, which ignore or assign little ...

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Its a programming language using only tabs and spaces

last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:21 PM

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A coding launguage that works by using your voice

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you gotta use your voice to imitate sounds that it converts into code

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:21 PM

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wait, tabs spaces and newlines ^

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https://i.imgur.com/IKo7POw.png

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last lance Mar 7, 2021, 2:21 PM

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but like instead of saying "Print hello world" you gotta screeam a random type of beeps and boops

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Acoustic modems

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Bell 103, datarate: 300 baud

umbral saffron Mar 7, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Woah

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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@umbral saffron you never watched Wargames?

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/

IMDb

WarGames (1983) - IMDb

Directed by John Badham. With Matthew Broderick, Ally Sheedy, John Wood, Dabney Coleman. A young man finds a back door into a military central computer in which reality is confused with game-playing, possibly starting World War III.

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'tis a classic

umbral saffron Mar 7, 2021, 3:11 PM

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I have not

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But I will now

peak acorn Mar 7, 2021, 5:05 PM

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whitespace seems really easy to write a 'compiler' for

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idk what the right would would be, but to convert some keywords into the space, tabs, and LF's required

warm sleet Mar 7, 2021, 5:18 PM

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@peak acorn writing a compiler is a bit more involved than that ;)

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Lexer -> Parser -> Tokenizer -> Transformation -> Output

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https://i.imgur.com/JhCBp3d.png

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this is really what source code looks like to your compiler ^

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I had to make my own CSS dialect in university

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worked along similair lines

peak acorn Mar 7, 2021, 5:30 PM

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I just mean like converting some keywords into whitespace commands

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yeah I know a legit compiler is more I dunno what the right word would be for what I said

dim lava Mar 7, 2021, 6:07 PM

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If you use a compiler backend, the hardest part of it is probably the lexing and parsing, especially in complex languages like C++

peak acorn Mar 7, 2021, 6:09 PM

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My school has a compilers course but I dont think ill end up taking it

dim lava Mar 7, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Parsing C++ grammar is so complex that it's actually an unsolvable problem. You can map C++ parsing to the Post Correspondance Problem, which is equivalent to the halting problem

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https://medium.com/@mujjingun_23509/full-proof-that-c-grammar-is-undecidable-34e22dd8b664

Medium

Full Proof that C++ Grammar is Undecidable

Most programming languages’ grammars fall into the category of Context-Free Grammar (CFG), or sometimes Context-Sensitive Grammar (CSG)…

dim lava Mar 7, 2021, 6:09 PM

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peak acorn My school has a compilers course but I dont think ill end up taking it

I would love to take it honestly

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Some of the most interesting parts are the optimization and resource selection

peak acorn Mar 7, 2021, 6:11 PM

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I would like to as well but i have a busy schedule

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unless I can find some class to take during summer and then fit compilers in over the normal semesters

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Yeah. . . The only time compilers will be had while im in school is when i'm taking Networking, Algorithms, Mobile app dev, "introduction to usability", and "computing ethics"

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tbf its possible I can just fit that in and it will be okay since so far all my CS courses havent been hard at all

nocturne galleon Mar 7, 2021, 7:52 PM

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warm sleet only language I know to be worse than that...

What about Malbolge?

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Malbolge looks pretty odd

shadow furnace Mar 8, 2021, 6:18 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE

LOLCODE

LOLCODE is an esoteric programming language inspired by lolspeak, the language expressed in examples of the lolcat Internet meme. The language was created in 2007 by Adam Lindsay, researcher at the Computing Department of Lancaster University.The language is not clearly defined in terms of operator priorities and correct syntax, but several func...

warm sleet Mar 8, 2021, 10:37 AM

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I am losing my mind with IntelliJ

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writing SQL. trying to run it on my mssql instance.

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but when I go to run, it only lists mysql databases...

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https://i.imgur.com/HtCcwyf.png

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such bs.

hollow basalt Mar 8, 2021, 10:40 AM

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gotta love intellij

warm sleet Mar 8, 2021, 10:40 AM

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yeah I just dont get it

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I just want to run this sql file

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on a database

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@hollow basalt only when I delete my existing mysql instances

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THEN. it gives me the option to select an open console

hollow basalt Mar 8, 2021, 10:43 AM

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Conspiracy

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intellij wants you to run MySQL

peak acorn Mar 8, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Paid off by Big SQL

tired juniper Mar 8, 2021, 11:47 PM

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hey what's up? So I want to clear my text from the combobox when I click a button but so far nothing works. I just want the combobox to become empty

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@warm sleet

hollow basalt Mar 9, 2021, 12:16 AM

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it's 1am, jeez

tired juniper Mar 9, 2021, 12:25 AM

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i know xd I am up all night

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hope I didn't wake someone up, I mean you have different time zones so idk

hollow basalt Mar 9, 2021, 12:26 AM

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it's 1am for him

tired juniper Mar 9, 2021, 12:43 AM

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well it was 1.47 am for me when I posted it but thought it was earlier for him,hope I didn't wake him up. But like it's just a notification unless he set his notification sound to be a nuclear alarm I think it's fine and I didin't 😄

hollow basalt Mar 9, 2021, 8:42 AM

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no I don't

warm sleet Mar 9, 2021, 11:34 AM

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@tired juniper comboboxes have a predefined list of choices that are in ComboListBox.Items

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the item that is currently selected will be in ComboListBox.Value

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if you set this to null, pretty sure it would unselect the item

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@tired juniper and no worries about timezone. I'd read the message when I get on

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my phone is on mute between 8pm and 9am

hollow basalt Mar 9, 2021, 12:02 PM

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Thanks

next igloo Mar 9, 2021, 4:30 PM

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what are some tehniques to draw polygons?
in any language, but preferably ti basic

spring pond Mar 9, 2021, 4:48 PM

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the most simple way i know is to use vertex arrays and shaders

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but thats an opengl concept

next igloo Mar 9, 2021, 5:35 PM

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i can only use flat shading

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i plan to implement this onto a ti 84 plus ce, and then work my way down to a ti 83

spring pond Mar 9, 2021, 5:44 PM

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https://github.com/CE-Programming

GitHub

CE Programming

Tools and documentation for native programming on TI CE calculators (84+CE / 83PCE) - CE Programming

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this org has a ton of stuff for programming CE calcs

peak acorn Mar 9, 2021, 5:57 PM

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apparently in that github there is a library for graphics

spring pond Mar 9, 2021, 6:17 PM

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yeah, i just wanted to give an overview of the entire toolchain

dreamy iron Mar 10, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Is anyone else having an issue with Google V3 Recapture atm? All my sites that use it are not working.

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 10:49 AM

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@dreamy iron there's been a massive datacenter fire

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couple thousand sites are down

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though I think that is unrelated

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not a google datacenter at least

dreamy iron Mar 10, 2021, 10:51 AM

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My sites are not down thankfully, but the actual recapture for any of them using my tokens are not working at all. However nothing has changed 'visibly' on my side.

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I see they do mention google cloud as being one of the effected parties. So I suppose that is it then.

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Ah nvm I read that incorrectly they said they big three are not effected.

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 11:19 AM

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@dreamy iron OVH is a major hoster, though I think google has too much self-esteem to outsource their services

frail warren Mar 10, 2021, 12:12 PM

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So

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What type of development is discussed here

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I am curious tbh

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 12:15 PM

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coding

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mostly

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Anyone have that LTT tutorial on how to make raspberry pi video cameras with networked HDD by chance?

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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@astral garnet usually you'd put some kind of streaming mechanism in place

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raspberry pi has a stream host that you can connect to for a camera feed

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Oh yes?

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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you'd then have another machine as the surveilance server

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which can tap into the stream

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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I think the one I saw just sends videos to a server then you can remote into the server

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:22 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/UnwSPTu.png

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@astral garnet its the other way around usually

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camera provides a url endpoint where you can view the stream

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your recording service would use this url to capture the stream and store it to disk

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you could do it all on the pi itself

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there's multiple ways you can do this...

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in my scenario, its all RTSP

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Streaming_Protocol

Real Time Streaming Protocol

The Real Time Streaming Protocol (RTSP) is a network control protocol designed for use in entertainment and communications systems to control streaming media servers. The protocol is used for establishing and controlling media sessions between endpoints. Clients of media servers issue VHS-style commands, such as play, record and pause, to facili...

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and those URL's look like so: rtsp://user:password@192.168.77.4:554/h264Preview_01_main

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https://www.bensoftware.com/forum/discussion/3254/raspberry-pi-h264-rtsp-low-latency-camera-instructions

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https://www.instructables.com/IP-Camera-Using-the-Raspberry-Pi-Zero-Home-Surveil/

Instructables

IP Camera Using the Raspberry Pi Zero (Home Surveillance Part 1)

IP Camera Using the Raspberry Pi Zero (Home Surveillance Part 1): This is the first post in a new mini-series, where we build a home surveillance system, mainly using Raspberry Pis. In this post, we use a Raspberry PI zero and create an IP camera that streams video over RTSP. The output video is of a much higher q…

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There are quite a few blogposts out there, that demonstrate this

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I have off-the-shelf IP cameras, but a pi wouldnt be any different. You just have to configure it yourself

ivory bear Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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astral garnet Anyone have that LTT tutorial on how to make raspberry pi video cameras with net...

is it this that you're trying to find?
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YouTube

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astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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ivory bear is it this that you're trying to find? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7p5YEOrl...

Yes!

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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any off the shelf ipcamera would do

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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nest in general sucks

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cloud based

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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most of them use either RTSP or HTTP

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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look what just happened yesterday

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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as long as they aren't cloud connected

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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big company got hacked

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Yeah I have two nest cameras atm

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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I have cheapo RCL420's

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from Reolink

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those are total crap, but their image quality is good

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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astral garnet Yeah I have two nest cameras atm

neat? or nest?

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Nest

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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if they are nest, I would get rid of them

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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nest is free backdoor

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Yeah that’s why I’m looking for the tutorial

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/9/22322122/verkada-hack-150000-security-cameras-tesla-factory-cloudflare-jails-hospitals

The Verge

Security startup Verkada hack exposes 150,000 security cameras in T...

Verkada is investigating the hack.

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KEKW

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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astral garnet Yeah that’s why I’m looking for the tutorial

honestly most IP cam would work, just don't connect it to the internet

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:31 PM

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I have them on a completely isolated subnet and vlan

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:31 PM

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Yeah I want to send the video to a server then port into the server

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:31 PM

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@astral garnet you need some kind of surveilance server program

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MotionEye or Zoneminder are examples

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https://zoneminder.com/

ZoneMinder - Home

A full-featured, open source, state-of-the-art video surveillance software system.

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:31 PM

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I think motion eye I was looking at

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 1:31 PM

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I had bad luck with motioneye

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not sure, I tried that one out first

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eventually settled for zoneminder

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if you use h264, you have the benefit of camera-passthrough. Saving you a bunch of CPU

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since you can stream h264 directly to disk, without any encoding

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@midnight wind this camera hack will be one of many

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with all the smart devices people are hauling into their homes

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can't wait till they hack the smart toilet

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 1:39 PM

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Kk thanks. Imma try and goto micro center today

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Hey @warm sleet does that software work in rasOS?

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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astral garnet Hey <@167698274969452544> does that software work in rasOS?

rasOS?

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what's that

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raspberry pi os?

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Raspbian

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Si

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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raspberry pi os is just modified debian

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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warm sleet Raspbian

they renamed it

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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^

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Ok so short answer is YES!

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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@astral garnet yes

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Thanks!

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:11 PM

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if you can get it on debian, someone probably ported it to arm for raspbian

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Streaming endpoints with a camera on the pi

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I think you can do with v4l2

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video4Linux

Video4Linux

Video4Linux (V4L for short) is a collection of device drivers and an API for supporting realtime video capture on Linux systems. It supports many USB webcams, TV tuners, and related devices, standardizing their output, so programmers can easily add video support to their applications. MythTV, tvtime and Tvheadend are typical applications that us...

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Kk imma try and pick up a small monitor/the new raspberry pi 4 and an ssd tonight

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I have a Linux desktop but eh

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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v4l can output over various stream types

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https://github.com/mpromonet/v4l2rtspserver

GitHub

mpromonet/v4l2rtspserver

RTSP Server for V4L2 device capture supporting HEVC/H264/JPEG/VP8/VP9 - mpromonet/v4l2rtspserver

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V4L2 captures from the hardware

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This program ^ can use V4L2 to expose an RTSP interface

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Think 4gb of ram is enough or go 8?

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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you don't need that much memory 4GB would be enough

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considering, people have done this on the pi zero

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which has only 512M

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Ok lol

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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@astral garnet that link I posted

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even has a section: https://i.imgur.com/ZxNggiY.png

Imgur

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bcm2835 is the chipset driver for the cpu

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Broadcom

astral garnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:15 PM

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I may just get the 2GB kit then

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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astral garnet Kk imma try and pick up a small monitor/the new raspberry pi 4 and an ssd tonigh...

you don't even need a moniter to setup a pi

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just set it up headless

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via ssh

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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^

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if you add an empty file named ssh into the boot directory on the sd card

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the pi should automatically spin up and openssh server

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then its just a matter of ssh pi@<ip>

peak acorn Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Is there a way to get the ip of a pi without getting to its display

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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peak acorn Is there a way to get the ip of a pi without getting to its display

yeah

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check your dhcp server

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which is your router

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usually

peak acorn Mar 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Ok well i can't do that lol I'm in college

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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unless you have a seperate dhcp server for some reason

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maybe mDNS as well?

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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peak acorn Ok well i can't do that lol I'm in college

have your own router

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I would not be able to stand that

midnight wind Mar 10, 2021, 2:32 PM

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peak acorn Ok well i can't do that lol I'm in college

raspberrypi.local

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.local for mdns

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maybe that would work

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I think that's how it works

peak acorn Mar 10, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Hmm

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Ok

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 2:40 PM

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you can configure a static IP on the pi

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using the commandline.txt

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if you then configure a static IP on your laptop, and plug in a network cable

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you should be able to reach the pi

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or even better: set up LAN bridging

peak acorn Mar 10, 2021, 5:10 PM

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I only got 1 nic in my pc i cant do bridging

tired juniper Mar 10, 2021, 5:15 PM

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warm sleet <@!174128983774986240> comboboxes have a predefined list of choices that are in ...

yeah it worked thanks.

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i have a question about my graphics driver but I am gonna post it in the appropriate forum

tired juniper Mar 10, 2021, 5:18 PM

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warm sleet my phone is on mute between 8pm and 9am

good,that way you won't be woken up by random notifications

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by the way I tried what you said with the combobox with null but that didn't work for some reason it worked with comboboxname.Text=" " for some reason when I was editing my combobox template because I didn't like how it looked so I redesigned it but I think I might have accidentally made a hybrid between a combobox and a textbox because you can still use it as a combobox but it has a text property and also I set the selections in code with the changeselection event for the combobox where I write if that is selected if(combobox.Items.SelectedItem==that){combobox.Text=that} it doesn't work if I just select them. Weird but it looks better and works fine if I use it a bit differently xD

warm sleet Mar 10, 2021, 7:34 PM

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@tired juniper the right way to add custom behavior to that would be through extension

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if you extend the combobox with your own functionality

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if you glue outside behavior to it, at some point it becomes a hell to program around

tired juniper Mar 10, 2021, 7:37 PM

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well yeah but that was like the finishing element and now my program is done and works

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so it's fine

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I wouldn't do that for a big program though with a lot of code and a lot of comboboxes because it will definitely be a nightmare

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I didn't do it on purpose even I just found a way to change the design by digging through every possible template that might have any connection to it and changing color properties and other design things(mainly colors) and didn't realize I might have made a hybrid xD

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also I found out that if I just change the templates nothing happened but if I click apply resource(from the right click context menu on the combobox) and I choose some other template rather than the default it changes the design to exactly how I want it to be-looks like a textbox with an arrow that expands like a combobox

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 4:37 AM

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What the fuck is my vscode doing

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THERE IS NO PIF

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shit is absolutely fucked

dim lava Mar 11, 2021, 4:47 AM

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oh poor vscode

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I get similar errors with this set of macros in a C library

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constantly complains about a missing ) paren

hollow basalt Mar 11, 2021, 5:24 AM

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peak acorn What the fuck is my vscode doing

vscode wants you to stop

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 5:24 AM

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switching to vim

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🤣

hollow basalt Mar 11, 2021, 5:25 AM

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just use notepad smh

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 5:25 AM

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like a true programmer

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 12:00 PM

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@peak acorn you are writing java in visual studio code?

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ew

dreamy iron Mar 11, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Can someone please explain to me why this seems to not work, I have a code which is in PHP and should simply add a bunch of numbers together to get different groups of numbers. However when run, this generates the correct numbers only for the first groups and its max, then it just goes whacky. I cant figure out why, this should be a simple bit of code but I just cannot spot my mistake.

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Oh ignore the += on group two I was trying something but it didnt work.

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nvm

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I solved it. I was being an idiot

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 2:41 PM

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warm sleet <@!125107503196405761> you are writing java in visual studio code?

Yuh

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 3:15 PM

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We also use apache ant. . .

hollow basalt Mar 11, 2021, 3:36 PM

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you should use netbeans

spring pond Mar 11, 2021, 3:37 PM

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personally i'd recommend intellij

hollow basalt Mar 11, 2021, 3:38 PM

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no

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netbeans + apache ant

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then use tomcat as the webserver if web app

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 3:38 PM

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I guess I will look into it

hollow basalt Mar 11, 2021, 3:38 PM

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IMG20190124WA0048

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wait, are you taking me seriously @peak acorn

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 3:38 PM

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well ive never ever even seen netbeans before so idfk

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lole

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and i ignored the part about web because thats dumb

pale onyx Mar 11, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I'm trying to find a website that randomly generates these, does anyone happen to know what its called? lol

lunar quail Mar 11, 2021, 8:01 PM

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@pale onyx https://code2art.jetbrains.com/

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 8:01 PM

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wut is that

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i just get white screen

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My desktop background is a neat fluid simulator i found online

lunar quail Mar 11, 2021, 8:04 PM

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the jetbrains splash screens for all their products are generated from the code on code2art. It may require a browser with some advanced canvas apis.

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 8:04 PM

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was on recent version of firefox so cidk

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works on chrome ok

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Is there a program like Windows Terminal but a replacement for file explorer

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specifically something that has tabs

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 9:11 PM

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midnight commander

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there's dozens of clones of this

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most of them end with commander

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you can use the mouse

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:12 PM

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ok not command line based

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 9:12 PM

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and click on those menu items

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:12 PM

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peak acorn ok not command line based

dolphin?

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I think it works on windows now

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 9:13 PM

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you said windows terminal

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and an alternative file explorer

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xD

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that's what midnight commander is

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Like how windows terminal is an alternative to cmd. I want a replacement for file explorer that is just better

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:14 PM

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https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Dolphin_Release_win64/

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@peak acorn

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probobly not stable at all

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:14 PM

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lol

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:14 PM

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worth a shot I guess

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:14 PM

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does it have tabs

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 9:14 PM

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you're already running explorer.exe

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there's no "alternative"

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windows desktop is so weird

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:16 PM

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peak acorn does it have tabs

yes

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:16 PM

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I mean you can still have applications that are for most purposes replacements for explorer.exe

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:17 PM

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peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:22 PM

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this looks good but damn idk if I can open wsl2 directories from dolphin

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cool nevermind this is perfect

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@midnight wind Thank

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:25 PM

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surpised it runs well

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:25 PM

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no obvious problems but we'll see

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:25 PM

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you can configure it

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too

peak acorn Mar 11, 2021, 9:26 PM

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I need a shortcut to wsl because lol
C:/Users/<username/AppData/Local/Packages/CanonicalGroupLimited.UbuntuonWindows_79rhkp1fndgsc/LocalState/rootfs/home/<usr>/.config/piqueserver/
isnt too fun

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:26 PM

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to fit how you like it

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 9:26 PM

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@midnight wind Qt

midnight wind Mar 11, 2021, 9:26 PM

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warm sleet <@!222482269829332992> Qt

yes

warm sleet Mar 11, 2021, 9:26 PM

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yeah its just C++

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runs on all platforms

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gnu stuff for windows usually works fine

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if built by the linux community

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the other way around

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the stuff microsoft does with linux

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KEKW

dim lava Mar 12, 2021, 4:16 AM

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warm sleet the stuff microsoft does with linux

I find it hilarious that Microsoft is one of the bigger contributors to the Linux kernel

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 4:44 AM

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Really?

peak acorn Mar 12, 2021, 5:00 AM

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microsoft has lots of open source stuff

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 5:38 AM

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They had 9 people made commits to the Linux kernel. Microchip had 15 commits authored by them. They worked on SMB3 and ipv6, hyperv , acpi, cifs, reboot, kaslr (arm64 related), dccp and ima. Interesting. I wonder if they are going to let you build a custom Linux kernel soon since a lot of that appears to be related to there virtualization? There also appears to be some wireless driver work being done by them. I also wonder why there working on arm64 related stuff in places. This is all in the change logs from kernel 5.11 - 5.11.6

peak acorn Mar 12, 2021, 5:40 AM

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they did have a vested interest considering wsl2 and all that

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and of course lots of their server stuff is probably linux

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Yes they are interested in server stuff. That is why they are working on SMB3, hyperv and cifs. I wonder why they are working on arm64. I know that some newer windows laptops might run arm64, but why would they work on arm64 in the kernel? Could this be for the surface X?

peak acorn Mar 12, 2021, 5:50 AM

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I mean windows for arm already exists

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it just sucks im pretty sure lol

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so maybe they want to do arm stuff

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Yes, it exists but barely comparable with Intel or amd chips at there price range. I would think they would want to use arm64 since it is still going at a decent rate of in comparison to x86_64.

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 9:42 AM

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@dim lava Embrace, Extend, Extinquish

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Microsoft is a bunch of suckers when it comes to opensource

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they only use it because it means they have less upkeep costs

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@rancid nimbus microsoft tried running stuff on arm in the past

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didnt go well

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They released IoT core for arm

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and its already got its EoL date announced

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within 2 years of its release

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Nothing that microsoft builds is a long-term solution

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And lets not even talk about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Sphere

Azure Sphere

Azure Sphere is a secured, high-level application platform with built-in communication and security features for internet-connected devices. The platform consists of the integration of hardware built around a secured silicon chip; the Azure Sphere OS (operating system), a custom high-level Linux-based operating system; and the Azure Sphere Secur...

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This is a friggen joke

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Its basically a Linux distro with a .NET Standard library

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 11:43 AM

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https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/1369777337252904960
I guess GITlab has hired some low IQ peeps

GitLab (@gitlab)

You spoke and we listened. We're joining the Git community and updating "master" to "main".
https://t.co/V8UdjxQUBT

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warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 11:46 AM

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this is what happens if you let SJW's near software.

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they ruin everything

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its incredibly dumb

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 11:47 AM

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yeah]

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 11:48 AM

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@sweet sluice what's next? boolean neutrality?

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1 and 0

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that's racist

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 11:50 AM

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no no, non-binaries will object, that values want to decide for themselves what they want to be 😉

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 11:50 AM

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stupid ideological beliefs

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creeping into software. its just stupid and a waste of everyone's time

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 11:50 AM

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yeah

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 11:56 AM

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@sweet sluice master/slave blacklist/whitelist

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but none of this makes any sense

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it is not at all attributed to the past. people just interpret it that way

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if you portray death in art

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he's wearing a black gown

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Yeah, programmers in general are very functionally thinking, we don't just use a term because it's racist, we use it because it describes what we're doing very well

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 11:58 AM

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"Controller/Follower"

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I'm not changing my terminology xD

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and I will refuse to use main

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:00 PM

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Basically the main use for Master/Slave in IT, has been to describe the fact that Master branch/device has control over Slave and Slave has no control over anything.
Main basically makes zero sense as it doesn't describe anything

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:01 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklisting#Origins_of_the_term

Blacklisting

Blacklisting is the action of a group or authority, compiling a blacklist (or black list) of people, countries or other entities to be avoided or distrusted as being deemed unacceptable to those making the list. If someone is on a blacklist, they are seen by a government or other organization as being one of a number of people who cannot be t...

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The term itself finds its origins in the UK, and actually had nothing to do with slavery itself

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Words are offensive because their context is offensive. If you don't change the context, you don't solve the problem.

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:02 PM

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I mean analogically we have that term in a lot of languages that have nothing to do with slavery, so it's just SJW's pulling history out of their #$$

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:03 PM

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What the SJW's have done is change the context

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they apply the context of US' broken culture; to the world of software engineering

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and fell on their face

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:03 PM

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SJW's take something without context and applies it to fit their cause

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:06 PM

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@sweet sluice https://i.imgur.com/cP5pDDf.png

Imgur

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"Will and should"

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wtf is this. this is an RFC. not poetry.

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:07 PM

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again this proves my point

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)

Slave (technology)

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:09 PM

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@sweet sluice omg it gets better

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https://i.imgur.com/4Zbx86K.png

Imgur

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:10 PM

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There's technical bases, it's just that you're too busy with SJWifying everything to do research^

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:10 PM

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compelled speech.

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"We give you the words you should use"

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They quote orwell, but this what they are doing, IS orwellian

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:11 PM

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I mean I can bet that they haven't read anything from Orwell

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:11 PM

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oh here we go, found the section where they scutinize gender pronouns

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xD

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ye its a work of art this RFC

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Because nobody cares.

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and people didnt care before

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and wont care now

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but if you change it in a running system. people will get rustled

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I'm done with this topic

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:16 PM

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warm sleet Because nobody cares.

I mean they would notice if anybody would ever read the documentation

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:16 PM

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it just makes me angry

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stupid people wasting smart people's time

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Yeah

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:17 PM

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no end user will ever see the terms 'master/slave' in their programs.

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so who cares

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and changing terminology in a standard library is the epiphany of waste of time

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:17 PM

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I bet that we could probably destroy SJW's terminology as well lol

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:18 PM

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@sweet sluice you can't

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wont work

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their IQ's too low

sweet sluice Mar 12, 2021, 12:18 PM

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You just gotta make noise

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 12:18 PM

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reeeee

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 3:56 PM

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@warm sleet I know Microsoft has some history with arm. I acknowledge there arm laptops that at the time of release were not so good. You mentioned windows IOT core and I was talking about wondering what they are doing with arm and Linux. Azure Sphere likely is the project that I didn't know of because when I was looking through the git logs I kept seeing arm64 and didn't understand there interest in arm64 and Linux.

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Now after searching Azure Sphere I know why they are working on arm64 Linux. That explains most all of there arm64 related Linux commits.

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 4:01 PM

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@rancid nimbus this is a digital arms race

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big tech looking towards ARM now, for low power high performance mobile solutions

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and it also makes sense in the datacenter

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low power compute

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Well, at least in the lab there is a competitor for arm in the performance per watt. It's some RISC-V based chip with an about 10 x better performance per watt score on some synthetic benchmark against the apple M1.

warm sleet Mar 12, 2021, 4:04 PM

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@rancid nimbus yeah but in the long run, microsoft has a bit of a problem

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they want to market their windows operating system for profit

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while GPL is poking its nose through the sourcecode

rancid nimbus Mar 12, 2021, 4:19 PM

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You are partly correct. They can not make money directly off of selling the Linux kernel modifications, but they can build a Linux distro and sell it and sell support for there systems. This is what redhat does they sell a complete package and also support for it.

native helm Mar 12, 2021, 5:16 PM

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hey. I'm rewriting a script to sort and organize my rom collection, and is pretty used to bash, but I'm having some issues with this:

declare -A SYSTEMS
SYSTEMS["packaged"]="packaged,7z|zip|rar"
SYSTEMS["Gameboy"]="gb,gb"
SYSTEMS["Gameboy Color"]="gbc,gbc"
SYSTEMS["Gameboy Advance"]="gba,gba"
SYSTEMS["Nintendo Entertainment System"]="nes,nes"
SYSTEMS["Super NES"]="snes,sfc"

for system in ${!SYSTEMS[@]}; do
    VALUES="${SYSTEMS[${system}]}"
    SUBDIR=$(echo $VALUES | cut -f1 -d,)
    EXT=$(echo $VALUES | cut -f2 -d,)
    echo "SYSTEM: $SYSTEM"
    echo "VALUES: $VALUES"
    echo "SUBDIR: $SUBDIR"
    echo "EXT: $EXT"
done

Sometimes all the printed values are empty, and sometimes some of them have content. Any ideas?

minor mauve Mar 12, 2021, 8:15 PM

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I don't have an issue replacing/updating problematic terminology it's not like replacing master/slave with primary/replica is hard or makes understanding what they do any harder
I mean, fluffer used to be a term used for warming caches

Kinda just shows how software engineering has been dominated by white men for quite a while.

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It's not like I'm upset by the terminology, but if someone asks me to do it, yeah sure. No skin off my ass.

peak acorn Mar 12, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Today i learned linkedlists are almost always worse than arraylists

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:11 PM

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minor mauve I don't have an issue replacing/updating problematic terminology it's not like r...

Kinda just shows how software engineering has been dominated by white men
I invite you to draw a map with the offices of the very large companies. Identify then by "sales" and by "development" based on the main activity they develop.

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Not going to say the conclusion of this thought process. But if you are really concerned about fairness, it can be a very enlighten way to see why this is so.

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Things are more complicated than just race and gender.

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Btw, I am a Brazilian software engineer that learned the market on 4 different countries before I chose my path. Not saying there is no truth on your perception, just adding more data to your data driven mind 🙂

minor mauve Mar 12, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Yeah, it is more complicated than my summary, but to really dive deep down would require a thesis that I'm not willing to write

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:14 PM

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with that in mind, it would be nice not to blame on "the other group" then

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on the terminology itself

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master, slave

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it is meant to be as it is. Folks that named those things didn't care about feelings because, lets face it, they are not people focused folks.

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Changing names is fine, of course

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but it is not a sign that "this is result of an industry dominated by this race and this gender"

minor mauve Mar 12, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Not really trying to assign blame, it's more of these things weren't thought of because of x

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Like I didn't think anything of these terms until I was asked not to use them because I personally am not impacted by them

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:19 PM

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right

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but it is not fault of "white men"

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btw, I am latino

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lol

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but like... I am from a developing country

vast echo Mar 12, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Terminology like that becoming popular is a direct result of a lack of diversity

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:21 PM

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@vast echo true

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it doesn't mean it is helpful.

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but yeah, I get it, it makes total sense.

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but what diversity it lacks the most

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gender..

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of nationality?

minor mauve Mar 12, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Yeah, the saying "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance" applies here

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:21 PM

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how many Ugandan folks do you know in your company?>

vast echo Mar 12, 2021, 9:22 PM

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And just because the people who came up with the terms probably weren't doing it to attack people, doesn't mean that it's not a bad thing

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It's just another example of how systemic oppression gets perpetuated

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:23 PM

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not saying that even within the privileged bubbles there are not even smaller privilege bubbles. Just saying things are a bit more complex and more cruel than that.

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oh byeah

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yeah

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master, slave... those terms actually dont represent the truth of the matter.

vast echo Mar 12, 2021, 9:23 PM

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and we should try and make things better so that programming is as open and welcome to everyone as possible

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:24 PM

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primary, secondary... maybe.. but we might find even better terms. And that is ok

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my problem is with the blank statement that

vast echo Mar 12, 2021, 9:24 PM

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To call this orwellian is pretty dumb

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:25 PM

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"this race and this gender is been too long dominating". That sounds like a nazy

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:25 PM

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vast echo To call this orwellian is pretty dumb

I agree with you a lot there.

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but it is not gender and race.

vast echo Mar 12, 2021, 9:25 PM

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I mean there is a very specific race and gender that is perpetuating the lack of diversity in programming and to seemingly deny that is strange to me

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:26 PM

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well, I heard that so many times

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meanwhile all of my white Brazilian software engineer friends are doing bank forms cuz the industry is dominated by americans and other rich country folks.

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so, it is about perspective; it is more complicated than that.

minor mauve Mar 12, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I think it is, but that's because of my experience working in the video game industry, so I could be biased

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 9:27 PM

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oh yeah

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it makes total sense.

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not trying to saying what you experienced is not true, but there is more than that.

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so

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about me...

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I am "white" for Brazilians, but I am "latino" for Americans and I am "middle weastern" for Japanese people. I live in Japan, worked for a very large american company for 3 years.

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I had to go through very abusive companies before I had the chance to interview to this large company I mentioned. Back home, I wouldn't even have the chance to do so.

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and everyone I know that compare races, and genders, compare to other people from the same country. Which is fine, and can be true (I dont know the data myself). But doesn't explain the whole picture.

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the focus in that big company was so big on being inclusive that I felt I should just quit. because, you know, I am white... according to my culture.

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anyway, I would never push a word that is hurtful to anyone, regardless of my interpretation of that word.

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but assigning to a race, and gender... you are condemning people from other countries and social circumstances to the same sin as the folks you saw in your backyard.

snow bramble Mar 12, 2021, 10:07 PM

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native helm hey. I'm rewriting a script to sort and organize my rom collection, and is prett...

to troubleshoot that we need examples of empty output vs expected and examples of acc output.

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with that said, if you want to sort and match in bash I would recommend to use subshells and get back to the basics - pipes, grep, sed, awk.

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bash is not really a very strongly structure language; yeah, it has arrays and whatnot.. but I wouldn't try to manage them, too much headache.

lament bridge Mar 13, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Thoughts guys?

warm sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:38 PM

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what am I looking at?

lament bridge Mar 13, 2021, 2:54 PM

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WHMCS

warm sleet Mar 13, 2021, 4:13 PM

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wat

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I don't do managed hosting

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I prefer just an empty virtual server for hosting'

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can install any program you want

peak acorn Mar 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Just buy a vps like all my epic runescape botter friends do

ivory bear Mar 13, 2021, 5:32 PM

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make sure to backup if you don't want to lose data in the vps in case fire breaks out like OVH

peak acorn Mar 13, 2021, 5:35 PM

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True

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Maybe dont store your millions of dollars of hardware in shipping containers

midnight wind Mar 13, 2021, 5:46 PM

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if you want storage you buy dedicated storage like on backblaze b2 or amazon

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not on a vps

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and other's are geo-replicated as well

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idk if b2 is

peak acorn Mar 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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No not data storage

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They put their computers in shipping containers

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That go on boatd and trains

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Stacked up like a castle

peak acorn Mar 13, 2021, 8:39 PM

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I misread lmao

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Yeah for storage q dedicated thing is better

native helm Mar 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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snow bramble to troubleshoot that we need examples of empty output vs expected and examples o...

Actually, I forgot the exclamation mark ${!VALUES} when using the variables created inside the loop. As soon as I added that it worked just as expected.

novel spear Mar 14, 2021, 7:42 AM

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master/slave alternatives are usually context specific, and generally better alternatives in the context

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eg: primary/replica describes a specific relationship

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eg: provider/consumer, client/server, parent/child, primary/replica, master/puppet

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those in context often describe the relationship better, so there not being one universal overarching term isnt always needed

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re: something earlier, idk it scrolled

safe igloo Mar 14, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Hello everyone, I'm currently working on a little Java project with IntelliJ and I can't find out how to create a new package next to my first package, does anyone knows how to do it ? Thanks a lot for the help !

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Oh, I found that I was looking at an earlier version than the one I use.

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🤦‍♂️

sick dome Mar 14, 2021, 3:26 PM

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Can I use the .textchanged event on a C# form or does it have to be used on each individual control?(I want to use it for any input that's changed in the form by the user)

nocturne galleon Mar 14, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Can some help me with .sh?
no mater what leter im potting its starting the apt comm (sorry for my eng)

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rancid nimbus Mar 14, 2021, 7:45 PM

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https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-compare-strings-in-bash/

How to Compare Strings in Bash

When writing Bash scripts you will often need to compare two strings to check if they are equal or not. Two strings are equal when they have the same length and contain the same sequence of characters.

nocturne galleon Mar 14, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Still the same problem

warm sleet Mar 14, 2021, 8:41 PM

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man test

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https://linux.die.net/man/1/test

test(1): check file types/compare values - Linux man page

Exit with the status determined by EXPRESSION. --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit

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if [ condition ]; then 

else

fi

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condition is something like: "$foo" = "hello world"

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https://i.imgur.com/svWO262.png

Imgur

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@nocturne galleon ^

nocturne galleon Mar 14, 2021, 8:52 PM

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th u so match

rancid nimbus Mar 14, 2021, 10:54 PM

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if [ "$VAR1" = "$VAR2" ]; then
    echo "Strings are equal."
else
    echo "Strings are not equal."
fi```

dim lava Mar 15, 2021, 3:58 AM

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VHDL VGA adapter is working PogChomp

thorn comet Mar 15, 2021, 9:28 AM

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I just made a new build for a sci-fi horror game I’m working on, anyone want to try it?

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Or is it ok if I post a Google drive link?

pearl summit Mar 15, 2021, 9:28 AM

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Dms are prolly better idk, but sign me up

pearl summit Mar 15, 2021, 10:01 AM

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dm the game, i'll try it later. Or if you get the go ahead, post the link here (better safe than sorry)

hollow basalt Mar 15, 2021, 10:38 AM

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where's the game

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:52 AM

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you just lost it

thorn comet Mar 15, 2021, 11:34 AM

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I’ll DM the link just in case

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:41 PM

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does someone know a way to directly interface with APT in Java?

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 9:42 PM

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as in the linux package manager?

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:42 PM

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yes

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 9:43 PM

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you can either use Runtime.getRuntime().exec() or ProcessBuilder to interface with the bash shell

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:43 PM

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i know

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but is there somekind of API or library?

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for APT

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:44 PM

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@fleet geyser shell is the way

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:44 PM

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alright, i wanted to make sure

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 9:44 PM

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i looked and i didnt see anything

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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me neither

midnight wind Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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also for commands use apt-get

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not apt

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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i do

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i don't use apt

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i use apt-get

midnight wind Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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apt-get is stable

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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same thing

midnight wind Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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warm sleet same thing

nope

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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i don't use apt

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wrong again

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damn it

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i read it and put it in the sentence without knowing lol

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i started with apt-get and when i looked up the difference between apt and apt-get i found out apt-get is better method

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so i stuck with apt-get

midnight wind Mar 15, 2021, 9:46 PM

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if you use apt in a linux script it shows this WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

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apt-get has a stable CLI interface

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:47 PM

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because its legacy ;)

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:47 PM

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well i'll make a library for APT using shell and put it on github so people can find it

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 9:47 PM

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i think apt is just a wrapper around apt-get and apt-cache with some extra stuff

midnight wind Mar 15, 2021, 9:47 PM

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spring pond i think `apt` is just a wrapper around `apt-get` and `apt-cache` with some extra...

it is iirc

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:48 PM

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is there a command like sudo apt-get install *

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to install everything

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xd

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:49 PM

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@fleet geyser you can just add all the packages to a single command

midnight wind Mar 15, 2021, 9:49 PM

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fleet geyser to install everything

why...

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I wonder if anyone tried to do that

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:50 PM

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apt-get install -y nginx git etc etc etc

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:51 PM

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idk

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:51 PM

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@fleet geyser I'd just make an abstract class to interact with the shell

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and then just a class to interact with apt

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:52 PM

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alright thanks

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i'm making my distro so i'll make Java app store

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how would you do it for snapcraft?

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:54 PM

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snap and flatpak are lame

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defeats the whole purpose of having a package manager

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:54 PM

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true

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:54 PM

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I've made debian packages before for java programs

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:55 PM

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wdym?

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:56 PM

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maven outputs a .deb file you can install on your system

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:56 PM

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alright

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:56 PM

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alongside the .jars ofcourse

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:56 PM

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i know

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:56 PM

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https://github.com/tcurdt/jdeb/blob/master/docs/maven.md

GitHub

tcurdt/jdeb

This library provides an Ant task and a Maven plugin to create Debian packages from Java builds in a truly cross platform manner. - tcurdt/jdeb

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:56 PM

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i was searching for that and i found that lib

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rary

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:57 PM

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getting it to integrate with services is a bit more tricky

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 9:57 PM

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wdym?

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 9:58 PM

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im gonna assume he means integrating with systemd and the like but i may be wrong

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I think its lot easier now

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I used to use a service wrapper

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that was pretty nice

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because it worked on windows and linux just as well

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:00 PM

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i'm not linux veteran, so i'm not sure why i'd want to integrate it with systemd

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:00 PM

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https://wrapper.tanukisoftware.com/doc/english/download.jsp

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:00 PM

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allowing your program to run in the background automatically

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:01 PM

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well this one won't run in the background

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but others i'll make will

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so that could be a problem

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:01 PM

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ive done work with windows services in C# and imo they're a lot easier to understand than what linux does

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it doesnt really have "services" in the same sense that windows does

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:02 PM

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yeah it doesn't

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:02 PM

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SysV init was very simple

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just a bunch of scripts

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systemd overcomplicated a lot of things

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but you basically create a unit file, and point to the command you run

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and then you can provide some information on other services you depend on

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like an sql server or whatnot

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:03 PM

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btw do you recommend LTS or Rolling release version of Ubuntu?

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for distro

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:03 PM

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on servers you run LTS

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:03 PM

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true, but this OS will be targeted for schools because i'm doing a project eSchools, don't ask me anything

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so stability on those computers will be the key

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because you don't want to have problems in the middle of the class

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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im surprised a school would run any linux distro for students

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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yeah but think about it

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its light weight

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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@spring pond lol why not?

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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they'll have to learn it anyway

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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just build your app in a browser.

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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idk i grew up in a county with all windows stuff

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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and make your linux distro display only a browser ;)

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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and using Wine you can make pretty much run any windows app student would need

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on linux

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:04 PM

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very secure.

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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yeah

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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and idiot proof

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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so do you suggest LTS or rolling release?

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version of ubuntu

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i dont think linux has very good management stuff (as in user policies)

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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@spring pond not true

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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hehe

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thatsw

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where

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my system guards

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system comes in

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;D

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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@spring pond ubuntu ships with AppArmor

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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ig

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i'll make System Guard that comes with it

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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and there's also SE Linux

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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there will be 2 version: Student and Educator

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/linux/what-is-selinux

What is SELinux?

Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is a security architecture for LinuxⓇ systems that allows administrators to have more control over who can access the system.

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made by none other than the NSA.

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Student will have sys guard client side if you will and educator will have server side

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if you know what i mean

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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so youre making an entire management system for applications?

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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they'll be able to disable, enable apps, take remote control of the system, chat system etc.

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well not just for that

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but yeah

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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good luck bro

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;)

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:06 PM

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jeez

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thats a lot

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but yeah gl

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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yeah i know

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you ever heard of alpha?

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🤣\

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i like have a year to work on it

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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I dont think a year is enough

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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i'll apply with it on a competition

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well i know, but yolo

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xd

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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you are thinking about writing your own package solution

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app manager

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and DISTRO?!

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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wait this is an entire distro

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oh boy

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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not just that, eGradebook, eBooks etc.

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:07 PM

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bruh

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just install ChromeOS.

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:08 PM

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^ lol

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:08 PM

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no

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🤣

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well

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:08 PM

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you can fork it?

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customize it?

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:08 PM

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i'll make my own distro, but much more simple

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:08 PM

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@fleet geyser debian is also made to clone

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its a very sensible OS, with minimal defaults

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if you want a clean distro..

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you will have to spend a good amount of time learning linux

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:09 PM

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i know

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i use linux

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rn

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Pop OS

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:09 PM

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http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

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Yeah but a distro != linux

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:09 PM

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and i used it a while before i switched to it on servers

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i know

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what linux is

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its kernel

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distro is full fledged OS

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GNU+Linux = distro

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Linux = kernel

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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i mean afaik a distro is just a collection of packages on top of linux

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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yeah

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i'll just take

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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@fleet geyser I suggest you use this: https://alpinelinux.org/

index | Alpine Linux

Alpine Linux

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Ubuntu Server

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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This is the most barebones security enhanced linux distro out there

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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put plasma kde on it, make my own theme, which is easy

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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you'll have a much better time forking something than making your own

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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i

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i'll take ubuntu server

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and install packages on it

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not make it from scratch

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lol

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:11 PM

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@fleet geyser alpine is completely barebones

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its like 5-10MB

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:11 PM

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yeah but i want ubuntu

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so i don't have to start from scratch

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:11 PM

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its based on ubuntu

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:11 PM

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i'll take ubuntu server for now

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and it won't have a lot of packages

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:11 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/PefHtz9.png

Imgur

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:11 PM

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one of features of sys guard will be to install apps on student computers

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from educator's computer

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Like

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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which is pretty simple

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Alpine is made for this purpose.

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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alright

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i'll take a look at it

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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@fleet geyser lot of docker containers use it too

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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the educator's PC will send command to server, which will then dispatch bash command to student computers

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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8MB install for a container

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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are you planning to host your own server for the backend or make it something the school hosts

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:12 PM

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my own for now

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i'm from croatia and our infrastructure for that...

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well is

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kinda shit

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:13 PM

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@spring pond he'll realize he's overestimating his abilities soon enough

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:13 PM

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this would take me 3-5 years if i was lucky and knew linux through and through

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:13 PM

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^

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:13 PM

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are you working alone?

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:13 PM

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what do you exactly mean?

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no

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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well thats a bit better

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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@fleet geyser I think you're biting off more than you can chew :P

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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^ yeah

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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haha its just a pl;an

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for now

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rn i'm making something much more simple

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i'm making accounts system for other things i plan to do

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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@fleet geyser another interesting distro is NixOS

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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so i won't start making distro etc. until i get to know linux better

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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@fleet geyser NixOS is a completely descriptive distro.

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:14 PM

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I won't be making my own distro as in writing code.

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 PM

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my advice is do backend first, then move to the frontend

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Alright

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 PM

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the entire system configuration, packages and kernel configuration are all in one major config file

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 PM

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will do, i love backend and i don't like frontend

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that much

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 PM

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NixOS you really have to look into

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https://nixos.org/

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 PM

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i don't plan on writing code, just taking some distro like ubuntu server, putting DE on it (KDE 5, making my own simple theme), installing packages on it and thats it

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there won't b e a ton of packages

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Being declarative, it means that your entire system is a configuration file

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:16 PM

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that will be up to admins to install

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:16 PM

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and this configuration file lives inside a git repository

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when you make changes to your system, like install new packages or make changes to your applications, this is added as a commit on the repository

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and when you boot your nix system

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grub will show you a list of commits from your git repo

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so you can always go back to a previous configuration

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and if you move to a new system, all you have to do is import your nix git repo

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and it reinstalls your system completely as it was.

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nix is very very powerful

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:18 PM

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oh yeah, did i mention i plan on making it like a windows server (i just thought of it and not sure if its possible), so basiclly you would login with your account and you would have all your files there HOWEVER, there would be a sort of cache partition, that would be like 60GB, so files don't have to be downloaded all over again and because those files are small, maybe words documents, it would be enough, and files would be stored on my servers

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idk if its possible, its jut an idea

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tho

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probably not 🤣

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:18 PM

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thats uh... incredibly hard to do

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you maybe could just connect a network location

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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i guessed that

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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thats easier

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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yeah, but then schools would have to have a server

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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as opposed to your solution?

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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and in my school, half of it are laptops and half are desktops that are soon to be replaced by laptops

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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you need something that can easily be deployed in a school environment

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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^

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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yeah

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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and the result of that is: web applications.

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM

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yup

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make it a single executable with a web interface

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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i already planned all that out

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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that's 90% of server applications ^

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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well thats good

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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you dont need a custom distro for that

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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yeah

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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you just need a backend program

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and API

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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i know

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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and a web application using said api

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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you could just interface with a preexisting distro's security stuff

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im sure its possible

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

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dont reinvent the wheel.

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make something new, build on the old.

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:21 PM

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i won't be making my own distro from scratch, just putting my plasma kde theme, putting some programs and removing non needed packages

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not a full fledged custom distro

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:21 PM

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well if you want this to be widely compatible, dont remove packages

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some schools may need them

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only add

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:21 PM

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well schools will have to come to us

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i mean\

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:21 PM

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most reliable systems are static systems

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with as little bells and whistles as possible

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the moment you make your system modular on the fly like that

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you add a whole new layer of complexity

fleet geyser Mar 15, 2021, 10:22 PM

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The OS won't be open source, the school will have to contact us and we'll prepare the OS and customize the installation for them, to fit their needs.

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I'm talking about base OS.

spring pond Mar 15, 2021, 10:22 PM

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its linux, the only thing that wont be open source is probably your base application

warm sleet Mar 15, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Or just install ChromeOS

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KEKW