development

[inner wraith]

Anything you can envision completely involving information and inputs you know the computer has and outputs you can derive from that information.

Be it a game, tool or whatever.

[spark torrent]

a box which moves around and has collision and bounces off the walls

how many hours do i need to make that? or idk pong?

some simple thing like a box moving around, pong, snake a simple pocket calculator

[inner wraith]

Depends on if you care if the result's a mess or not lol. I liked XNA (survived by Monogame) when I started

But that's kinda dead now

You could look at Godot or Unity.

[spark torrent]

i want the code do be readable i dont want to make the code for pong look like yandere sims code

[inner wraith]

You start by writing shit code

Then you figure out enough to know why it's shit and what you should have done instead

[spark torrent]

how do you figure out its shit?

by it not working?

[inner wraith]

That's certainly one way but really it's when you come back to the code later... do you still know what it does? Can you easily follow what it's doing? Can you modify its behavior easily?

...Can you test parts of it without needing to fight the rest of the program?

I inherited a codebase for HTML document generation for a website that had loops in loops in loops until the 4 spaces of indentation for being each one pushed it off the right side of my screen. It had values it touched that were shared by the rest of the program and could be changed anywhere, "cleverly" fixed by the former team by trying to reset or offset them. It was about 6,000 lines long.

Code for each document variant was copy-pasted over and over and bugfixes were applied here and there.

It was quicker to look at the generated document and rewrite the whole thing from scratch than figure out any of the nonsense it did.

End result was something like 400 lines for ~16 types of reports (though it turned out several were duplicates or near duplicates).

It also had a separate copy of the whole thing just for documents it'd email despite them all being the same format.

My favourite part of that project (node.js w/express) was that the former devs used one function per endpoint, and when they wanted to re-use code in one spot their solution was to do an API call to the other function and then parse the response it got back.

[spark torrent]

how did you start coding

[inner wraith]

I did a cert 2 in game dev with XNA+C# and a school Python class. Both gave me a bit of confidence to do my own stuff. I spent at least as much time as I spent in classes making stuff on my own time.

Both had crap teachers but really just the nudge to write something was enough to get the ball rolling.

Made a Discord bot that did a bunch of stuff I wanted to do and learned a bunch that way

[urban mulch]

Does anyone know Flutter Animations? I'm trying to make an animation based on a slider, but if I put any other value than 0, the animation always jumps straight to the end

[cloud knot]

that is the differnce between a "coder" and a "developer"

coder does what he knows, but doesn't think about the whole thing globally. developer does

i mean sure, i still have copy-paste code here and there, but it boils down to situations where when you get 2-3 very similar situations, it's ok-ish to do copy paste

more than that, and it might be worth creating an abstraction or parametrized function/object/template etc

i can see it with my coworkers sometimes how they can't be bothered to learn new stuff/figure out stuff. Like one of our coworkers upgraded to latest macOS, which meant he had to use xcode 15. compilation of the webview based iOS app broke on his combination of software, and he couldn't be bothered to figure out what was the issue. Sure, there are deadlines etc, but i just couldn't live with the "oh, it doesn't work, i will let someone else figure it out later" mentality

[young plover]

I mean hell of a bar, biggest thing I can say when getting started is write that aweful code, understand spaghetti and spend the time learning how you got to that point to then restart your project and build it better

My mentor got me to rewrite a simple graphing tool three times over two weeks going from one block of code for one graph to individual files for each graph we wish to generate

You need to get through the bullshit to get to be a good programmer

Also, if you’ve got a language in mind you wish to learn, that’s great, just be aware it’s mostly the same under the hood for most languages

Learn the fundamentals and learning some language will be way simpler

Once you’re at that point it’s then the weird details of the language do you spend your time

Like, list of many object types in C# isn’t really a thing, ie List<int,string> for some shenanigans you want to get up to
However, you can bodge, List<(int,string)> which is specific to the weirdness of C#, or how default function means list mutation doesn’t carry through each call for default values, broke my brain when going into python

[cloud knot]

what do the () part do in the generics description there ? Never seen such thing in Java

i mean List<int, string> makes sense to me, but what you wrote doesn't

[young plover]

It defines a Tuple https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/builtin-types/value-tuples
Which can lead to funny funky shit

I think the right code would be something ungodly as, List<Tuple()>

[cloud knot]

nah, just List<Tuple>. It is just a simplified way to make a POJO (plain old java object) without all the boilerplate code

[charred cargo]

am making instagram clone website,, i have done everging,, but i need whenever i reload it should load with an unique instagram style in the upper windows,,i do no how to make it

[spring skiff]

Hey all, is there anyone experienced in GNOME Extension development that can point out some docs or guides for implementing keyboard shortcuts for an extension? The only thing i've found so far is a 6 year old stackoverflow Keymanager class implementation that I'm scared of trying cause a lot can change and break in 6 years on Gnome
It doesn't need to be too dynamic or extensible, just one hardcoded shortcut with no config will do for my use case.
So if anyone has any links to stuff to read ~~even a Medium guide ~~ I'd be grateful.

[empty pier]

Life hack

[drowsy elbow]

Am I stupid? Trying to get some random project of a coworker of mine to work, but it doesnt seem to make any tables (except for __EFMigrationsHistory)

I'm not very familiar with EF, I used to just write my queries by hand for performance reasons

Hmm, guess I fixed it by deleting the migration table

thanks 🦆

[neon oriole]

depending , but keyboard shortcuts are not handled by gnome ,not even for extentions but by X11 or wayland respectively i think. , besides that i also dont think you can demand shortcuts to work from a client perspective , and they wil only work when the window is active and has direct access to the keyboard and other input , from the display server. now how this would work in terms of extentions i dont know , but i think you just have to register them somewhere in the gnome config files (you can browse them with gconf-editor

[drowsy elbow]

Finally 😎

[inner wraith]

Dependency hell over now

No more dependency hell

[solemn solar]

Is this a good place to ask for help fixing some code?

[spring cradle]

yes good place to ask for help, but a bad place to ask if you can ask for help

[fading osprey]

yes, someone could end up sending the link to dont ask to ask

[icy thunder]

what if we ask to ask if we can ask to ask? 🙂

[solemn solar]

Fair point lmao

I've got some code here and the javascript part of it is just completely broken. I've assembled it with the help of ChatGPT so it's probably gonna have to be rewritten (It was my only option), but if there is some simple solution as to why it gives an error after pressing the button, I'd greatly appreciate it

[fading osprey]

what error does it give

[solemn solar]

Wait no that code is completely broken, this is the one that is only mostly broken. Error is this with console debugging:

Values: disp 1 Apple 0 C wip html 
Input: disp 1 Apple 0 C wip html 
Error selecting a phone. Please try again.```

[fading osprey]

your code is very truthy and expects very specific options to be selected

it works, it just doesnt have a suggestion for a good 70% of the combinations you could choose

[solemn solar]

I see, so it only works if that hyperspecific combination is selected?

[fading osprey]

[
    { preference: 'Apple', budget: '9', phone: "iPhone 15" },
    { preference: 'Apple', budget: '10', phone: "iPhone 15 Pro" },
    { preference: 'Apple', budget: '11', phone: "iPhone 15 Pro Max" },
    { budget: '1', phone: "Redmi 10C" },
    { budget: '2', phone: "Redmi Note 13" },
    { budget: '3', phone: "Redmi Note 13 Pro+" },
    { budget: '4', phone: "Poco F5" },
    { budget: '5', phone: "Poco F5 Pro" },
    { preference: 'perf', budget: '6', phone: "Poco F5 Pro" },
    { preference: 'cam', budget: '6', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { preference: 'disp', budget: '6', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { preference: 'bat', budget: '6', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { preference: 'over', budget: '6', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },    
    { preference: 'perf', budget: '7', phone: "Poco F5 Pro" },
    { preference: 'cam', budget: '7', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { preference: 'disp', budget: '7', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { preference: 'bat', budget: '7', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { preference: 'over', budget: '7', phone: "Xiaomi 13T" },
    { budget: '8', phone: "Xiaomi 13T Pro" },
    { budget: '9', phone: "Xiaomi 14" },
    { budget: '10', phone: "Xiaomi 14 Pro" },
    { budget: '11', phone: "Xiaomi 14 Ultra" },
  ]

this is your phone selection ^^

if the phone hasn't got a preference tied to it, it cannot be selected based on your logic. So if I were to select a budget of 800-900 EUR and a preference of "performance", there wouldn't be anything to match against, since nothing fits those requirements, (even if the Xiaomi 13T Pro matches the price, it has no performance preference and wouldn't work) so your code would simply log "Error selecting a phone. Please try again." instead of choosing the phone that matches the closest

[solemn solar]

Ah, I see the issue. Is there a simple solution to make it accept the closest one?

[fading osprey]

"simple", not that i can see off the top of my head, you could probably come up with one given time, but I unfortunately do not have that luxury right now, if someone else has any suggestions then please feel free to pop up and get involved 🙂

[solemn solar]

I see. I guess my only option is to reduce the number of variables and just type out each one by hand for now

[woeful rapids]

so i wanted to make a custom 2230 M.2 card, but i don't have any ideas as to what purpose it should serve

[inner wraith]

Depends on the slot keying/type, but really any purpose that can be achieved with 1 or 4 PCIe lanes, SATA or USB. You might find the table at the bottom of this page helpful: https://www.atpinc.com/blog/what-is-m.2-M-B-BM-key-socket-3

SSD's are often key M or B, WiFi cards are key E or A+E.

Or soldered, just to piss me off.

[pliant ether]

Maybe something like this could be fun https://help.argusmonitor.com/ArgusController.html

[woeful rapids]

oh i didn't mention it has to be a Key E card

it has USB, UART, I2C, SDIO etc etc

I'm not at the PCIe level yet

[woeful rapids]

yeah, i guess, but for more sensors i can just use the native I2C bus of the Key E

which wouldn't be that bad of an idea

something nice would be embedding a full RTL-SDR into my laptop, as it has a plastic shell

but designing a PCB like that is a bit too complex for me

[woeful rapids]

6 antennas M.2 sure is funky to look at

[marsh star]

what file format are game maps usually in? i.e. Call of Duty, Valorant, or Apex Legends maps

[woeful rapids]

making progress, learning kicad

[cursive grotto]

can anyone help me with this problem?

so i have an unresolved external symbol error in my code in VS. The problem is i have one project platformer that references another project shadow (the engine) and i have moved the main function of platformer to shadow using an entrypoint.h file which is included in shadow.h along with other includes. then shadow.h is included in platformer.cpp. now entry point looks like this:

#pragma once
#include <iostream>
#ifdef SHADOW_PLATFORM_WINDOWS
//extern Shadow::Application* Shadow::CreateApplication();
extern int var;
int main(int argc, char** argv) {
//    auto app = Shadow::CreateApplication();
//    app->run();
//    delete app;
    std::cout << "var: " << var;
}
#endif
``` and platformer.cpp is ```
#include "Shadow.h"
class Game : public Shadow::Application
{
public:
    Game() {
    }
    ~Game() {
    }
};
int var = 100;
Shadow::Application* Shadow::CreateApplication() {
    return new Game();
}``` i get a lnk 2001 and lnk1120 error regarding var (shadow outputs a dll)

i am following the cherno's game engine series as a tutorial for this and his code doesn't return any error

[woeful rapids]

alright it's done

i'll make a 2242 version as well, since it's super simple

[woeful rapids]

done

[neon oriole]

not really a mechanical cad person (i can only do electronic schematics and pcb layout/routing) however ive come to like openscad allot for doing 3 model drawing as it does not really require much CAD knowledge and its really easy to do iterations of the same thing in (just change some parameters in a loop eg)

[woeful rapids]

oh yeahh i've used OpenSCAD

i'm not making a 3D model

like i'm making a real PCB

[neon oriole]

ah 🙂 the 3d image is just a mockup for doing the routing on or ?

(assuming you mean you are making a pcb to be made, not actually making the pcb itself , (meaning cutting out the plastic , putting a copper layer on it , puthing light sensitive coating on top of that , then ...) :d

[woeful rapids]

yeah im not milling the pcb myself ahahah

[acoustic pine]

working on my algorithm skills
any advice to improve it?
this a simple program to find nth number of prime, implementing Sieve of Eratosthenes.

though the sieve algorithm gets slower with large number and i'm wondering if there are better ones

[agile coral]

for finding all of the prime numbers up to a limit, no.

for finding whether a specific number is prime or not, there are primality tests that are very fast.

[nocturne galleon]

CommercialScript BT is the best IDE font

[solemn solar]

I regret eyesight

[fading osprey]

I've never wanted to commit manslaughter more

[cloud knot]

image one of those esoteric languages in that font

(that's Hello World in a language which name would get me muted 😄 )

[hollow basalt]

brainfuck

[hollow basalt]

coward

[acoustic pine]

All that for hello world ;-;

[cloud knot]

🤷‍♂️

[hollow basalt]

hey hey i wasn't serious

[cloud knot]

nah, i am just too old i guess

i am out of my rebelius phase 😄

[hollow basalt]

id prefer the word experienced

[solemn solar]

I've got an issue, the image only expands within the bounds of the container and I've tried many times but there's no way to expand the thumbnail container (The image that hovers container) without screwing other stuff up
If possible, I'd like for it to expand in all directions and when you hover over the link text it wouldn't unexpand.
HTML, CSS, & JS files attached below

[acoustic pine]

on css, .thumbnail-container, have overflow be visible

the image should expand without being cut by parent container

[solemn solar]

Yep that fixed that part, how would I make it so that the container is only as wide as the image is?

[acoustic pine]

i'll try to see a solution

though that aside
this is missing a closing div

[solemn solar]

Yeah that happened while I was copying over code, thanks for pointing it out

[spring cradle]

how would i figure out what is wrong with my spi device?

[quiet nest]

Hmm... This is something I actually didn't know about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzdrEYKyFQ

[prime rampart]

You all should check out EmulatorJS: https://emulatorjs.org/

[neon oriole]

while i must admit that the div era was i pretty easy era to be making websites, everything was a div,.. unfortunatly html5 has allot more stuff to remember and know the right usecases for. however it makes the code allot more readable and many bring their own niceties, like this <details>+summary setup i use as my email footer(collapsible with just html)... and not defaulting to a div for everything might have its advantages... so i would suggest , maybe looking into the following html5 tags : <figure><figcaption>section> , <label> (also used for toggle/ sliders/checkboxes eg, there are quite allot) and maybe a little petpieve of mine but you might also want to consider moving logo's and images that are part of the site's design to the css of the page leaving only the actual content and the sturcture as the html 🙂

[solemn solar]

I should, any solution you found for the sizing? I plan on cleaning code up when I feel like it

[restive ore]

am i crazy or did chrome remove the ability to check cookie values!?

i literally remember doing this last semester to check if stuff is working and now i cannot

[hollow basalt]

You cannot

[polar moth]

I have an esp8266 node MCU and I want to run a graphic test on 1.8TFT SPI 128x160 v1.1.....can someone provide me the code to do so????

[midnight wind]

It's in dev tools

[iron forge]

today was a good day

[neon oriole]

you know what is really fun, fixing the tui of a terminal loadmeasuring app , that just printed lines to the terminal , and while doing that you notice that the values being printed in your improved version make no sense ,... but why, then you find out the original also had values that make no sense but due to the character forrest that it printed it was not so obvious,... so i dug deeper and found : lol ```ahk
// TODO:
// * we need to do some real tests & math here to have accurate values.. !

[arctic lantern]

been trying to get c working on pico
gave up
realized im trans
moved to rust
😎

[neon oriole]

doesnt rust also depend on a runtime ? 😄

i mean i think it even links in the C runtime so 😄

[arctic lantern]

ye but rust is working unlike c soooooooo

idc it works lol

[spring cradle]

use circuitpython ;P

[arctic lantern]

alreddy have
got issues with http request eventualy crashing pico
too meny but carnt be helped

[spring cradle]

fair

[arctic lantern]

i would so use it if not for that one small problem

[umbral saffron]

so i’m trying to pulse an led every time i receive a specific input, but i rarely actually deal with coding so idk what i’m doing. can someone help me figure out what to do? this is for arduino btw

[pliant ether]

Check out this example https://docs.arduino.cc/built-in-examples/digital/Button

You might have to make some changes to get the behavior you're looking for.

[finite meteor]

What’s the best language for game development?

It would be a multiplayer open world kind of game idea.

[fading osprey]

C# or C++

Unity uses the former and Unreal uses the latter

[finite meteor]

So what would be the best program to start with. I entirely new to coding and game design.

[fading osprey]

I wish I could tell you, but that is a decision you will have to come to based on research and a better understanding of your own goals for the project

[finite meteor]

Alright, thanks for the assistance.

[hybrid citrus]

that’s seems like a pretty big project for a first game! It could take you very long if you don’t have experience and you might burn out, ESPECIALLY as a beginner solo dev. Maybe you could make a little prototype (with basic features) in either of the engines, then see how you feel about it. If something feels wrong, maybe try the other engine.

Unity has a bit of drama because of the company behind it but I have had a positive experience with actually working with the engine. Though, keep in mind I’ve never used Unreal, so I wouldn’t know if it’s better. And, of course yeah you should also do your own research

[finite meteor]

I was thinking I would keep it simple, I do have somebody that is willing to help but I would still have to be the coder in the situation.

[solemn solar]

Any idea how I could take the new, more detailed dark mode light mode toggle and make it fit within the bounds of the navbar? I don't know if it's even possible with how intricate the design is so I'm fine with just expanding the navbar to accomodate the bigger toggle

[neon oriole]

And Plain c (mixed with berry little cpp) ,it's wat John carmac used . 🙂

Not really a how-to of game dev but def some best practices https://youtu.be/OtozASk68Os?si=k5Qm7hP9vDj1CInX

[nova coral]

brainfuck

[umbral saffron]

thank you so much!

[finite meteor]

What language does unity use?

[fading osprey]

C#

[hollow basalt]

JS

[inner wraith]

C#. It has supported other options from time to time but they're all gone by now. Being .NET you can still bring stuff in written in other .NET languages or even other languages but your project will start in C#.

[worn wind]

hi folks where can i sak questions here?

[solemn solar]

I'm gonna do what was done to me

and link dont ask to ask

[hollow basalt]

good good, continue the Don't ask culture

[glass vessel]

They are learning

[frozen flame]

That doesn't matter

[silent moon]

Beginner web developer here!
I just designed a sign up form within like 4 hours (?) and would like know if there could be any improvements to it

(The site was written in HTML and CSS only, and in german)

[solemn solar]

That looks great!
Does the mountain have any specific association with the site? I would suggest putting a gradient left to right in the same blue as you used for the background and yellow accents for the boxes, it might look quite nice, but that's just my opinion

[silent moon]

The mountain is there as a placeholder image
But thanks for the suggestions!

[neon oriole]

while it looks good, you should check your source with a browser sometime, i mean not the right button view source , but the F12 way (so what the dom made of your code) especially look at what it did to the <head> tags... ill help a little , note that if you break html rules , the browser tries to fix it and you shouldnt rely on that.
<header> is not allowed within the <head> tag so the browser auto closes the </head> above it ,leaves your </head> as a stray one

[solemn solar]

Okay so I did a bit of editing, idk what to do with that Discover text but I understand the emphasis on it, that would be for you to decide where to put it, but I got something along the lines of this

And also rounded corners for better consistency of the site

Now in this case, emphasis falls from the text onto the image, so if the image is something very impactful and relevant, this helps push that even further.
If the discover text is the priority, this kinda falls apart

[neon oriole]

if your gonna do rounded corners, doing alpha backgroiunds for the text fields where inactive are darkerblue and 0.8 alpha or so , and the active one is lighter blue and 0.9 or so

[solemn solar]

Sorry I'm quite new to this whole thing, what are alpha backgrounds?

[neon oriole]

ps aside from the <header> inside the head tag, im actually amazed by the correct use of allot of the tags, (compared to what them js-junkies churn out these days , <h> tags inside of <p> tags , or nested <p> tags, eg all things the browser have to correct for , and then when their layout does not work in one situation ,they dump a load of js on top to fix the stuff... whil all they had to realize is that p.content p.intro {} wont ever work since there cant be a p tag inside a ptag 😄

ow and also maybe , you dont have to give everything a class , since tags are essentially there own class anyway , so if there is only one nav , you can just make the css apply to the element and work down from there nav ul {} and nav ul li{} and nav ul li a{} nav ul li a:hover {} and if there were 2 navbars , you can so the css that they share in the same way and if one is on the top of the page and the other on the bottom you can #navbar-top and use <nav id="navbar-top">

[solemn solar]

I figured out the alpha background stuff, I assume you mean something along the lines of this?

[neon oriole]

and this : ```css
*{
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
box-sizing: border-box;
color: #000000;
font-family: 'Inter Tight', sans-serif;
}

instead of setting : css background-color: #RRGGBB; you can also set it like this: ```css
background-color: rgba(0,0,128,0.5);

ah you already did that , couldnt see it on the little image

[solemn solar]

Yeah I did it on ~0.8

[neon oriole]

ps you can also put the Name , email and such texts , within the input like : ```html
<input type="email" name="email" id="email" placeholder="[e-mail]" ...>

setting the type to email , is nice for people who like to use autofill 🙂 and it will recject things that arent email by default

[solemn solar]

Ironically dashlane detected the email field as email and the name last name fields for identity, but changing it fixed the password, so yeah, definitely recommend you do that

[timber stag]

My winter vacation just begun and i really want to get into programming where should i start

[solemn solar]

What are you programming

[timber stag]

Nothing

I wanna start learning it

[solemn solar]

I've started with some basic site designing with HTML, CSS, and JS and I find it quite easy, but it depends on what you actually wanna do

[neon oriole]

i honestly could not say what the best lang is to start with,... here is the dillemma: if you start with any lang but C, you will miss the basics of C down the line. But C is prolly not the best language to start with in terms of staying motivated as it will take a while before you can program anything actually usefull in C, and you dont really need to be an expert C programmer , only understanding its basics will do but how does one learn a lang just for understanding the basics, only thing i could say for sure is , stay away from javascript,java and (visual) Basic as a first language, overcoming them will be a pain later on...

btw, while i have no experience with it , the things i hear about GO , would make it a good starting language i guess

[timber stag]

I will inevitably apply for cs in college so i wanna start learning it now

So i really dont know about any lang to be specific

[timber stag]

I heard c is a good first language as most of the things are manual like memory allocation and stuff which is mostly automated so it would be a good lang to clear my basics

[neon oriole]

also for knowing memory on the heap , and on the stack, , how a stack works,... and manually freeing memory (because no garbage collector in C) , go is somewhat similar but easier and quicker to get things of the ground so it seems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446E-r0rXHI vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3aXWizDbQ4

[timber stag]

Can i become a expert if i spend 10000 hrs on a particular subject

[solemn solar]

I mean depends, I have been alive for 142368 hours but I'm not particularly good at living
Question is do you spend that time wisely or do you repeat the same thing and never try anything new

[stiff furnace]

What’s the best GPU under 700 for cuda ai software?

[rapid delta]

that depends all on you and how well you retain knowledge, you can spend as many hours as you want on anything that you want does it mean you learned anything? No its up to you to absorb the knowledge of that field to progress anywhere

[nocturne galleon]

Does anyone join a fan project.

They Tryna restore online functionality in a ps2 game

And a bunch of other things like custom new content but mostly restoring the online service

The game is called test drive unlimited and it ran it's servers on quzal

[red mulch]

Possibly. You do require a minimum level of aptitude.

[vapid sentinel]

Go is a nice language to learn with but isn’t really usable outside of CLI and web servers unless you use the native C interopt that has overhead unless you use the GCC compiler for go that’s outdated as shit

[inner wraith]

I've certainly seen people with that much experience (~5 years professional) and far more who are still utterly useless and one of their defining traits is defining themselves as an expert :P

[drowsy pelican]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0_-1NaWnY

[graceful drift]

can someone help me i loaded a file by accident and i get this now from google dev console

[silk eagle]

whats the problem

[cerulean path]

Do we have an LTT AOC leaderboard?

[nocturne galleon]

How are custom mod tools created for games that didn't release their SDK or don't even have an Open engine (like unreal engine etc)

People that got stuff like model editors etc to GTA 5 are fr based

[uneven owl]

Hey, does anyone over here have experience with Azure Streaming Analytics? We're running into this error when using the Sample Data function.

The streaming analytics job works fine, just a weird error I noticed.

[hallow wing]

So when you build an app for something like PS4 or PS5. are those more closely related to an android app, or something? are they their own animal? Are there tools to help port over apps from other platforms? I'm entirely clueless in how different that platform is from others. Curious how systems like PS5/xbox/roku stack up against Andoid/IOS

[neon oriole]

latest consoles are closer to a pc then to an mobile platform , in terms of hardware and how to develop for them,...

ps3 would be an entire different animal (but it could run linux if you had the original launch version) but it did not ran on any conventional cpu platform instead it ran on the much overpowerd ibm/sony/tocshiba cell cpu's 🙂

[neon oriole]

sometimes i feel like docs are talking to me personally 😄

[solemn solar]

I do not understand why on earth that offer doesn't center to the left and I don't wanna change the global settings for it cause that comes with its own issues, any advice?

[neon oriole]

just a dumb questions but how many offertext and offertitles does your site expect to have ? (of only those ... why a class? remember a class is like a group of something sharing the same propreties))

then <title> </title> should be inside your <head> tags

specifying lang="en" once should be enough

[solemn solar]

Only that one twice for two pages
I also prefer classes for now, I've tried the html 5 tags and they don't feel too different

[neon oriole]

and you can use a <ol><li>... for the offertext div actually , 🙂

saves you the <br /> s at the end

[solemn solar]

Fair point
Main concern for me rn is the positioning to the left and I've no clue how to do that

[neon oriole]

by center to the left you mean allign to the left , or do you mean vertical center , but horizontal alligned left

[solemn solar]

Yeah left horizontally

[neon oriole]

https://jsfiddle.net/y71gq5ej/

/* Global presets for all elements unless specified otherwise */
body {
    margin: 20px; 
    padding-top: 80px; 
    display: flex; /*Enables flex layout, allowing for more complex designs without effort*/
    justify-content: left; /*nters elements*/
    height: 125vh; /*Makes the height of the site 125% of the vertical height*/
    font-family: Helvetica; /*Changes font to Helvetica*/ /*fuck you ruta*/
    background-color: var(--bg-color); /*Makes it so that the colour of the background varies based on what the toggle for dark mode/light mode is*/
    color: var(--font-color); /*Makes it so that the colour of the text varies based on what the toggle for dark mode
``` if you set justify-content , to center , then the contents of the body will be centered, so if you put it to justify left you have it justify to the left side of the window

a

https://dev.to/zac_heisey/7-alternatives-to-the-div-tag-in-html-62i

and /or https://matthewjamestaylor.com/div-custom-elements

[solemn solar]

I'll check if that breaks any content in other parts of the site

[covert saddle]

https://github.com/h1tarxeth/Benvenuta-minimal_startpage

[neon oriole]

Lol pure html css and js Startpage .. what else is there ?Java and flash applets ?

[void pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qRQX9fgrI4s

[solemn solar]

I've got some issues regarding my Javascript. The icons don't update correctly. Here's a sample html, css, and js file for your convenience
Anyone got any ideas on how I could fix this? I don't do any javascript and ChatGPT really isn't helping that much here

[hearty coyote]

I'm looking for a laptop to make 3D godot games with and do some light gaming, my games will never need a super high intensity laptop
any good recommendations
I need it for probably 4-5 years

[neon oriole]

probably not much help here for that , all i can tell is that if i were to program on a laptop , id attach 2 24" monitors to it at the verryleast allong with a mechanical keyboard , and that laptop would spend its time closed under one of the screens or so. and i dont do 3d game programming where i prolly would want even one more screen to see whats happening in the render...

[woeful rapids]

submitted my first patch to ffmpeg

hopefully i did everything right and won't get yelled at

[fading osprey]

It's open source, someone will find a way to yell at you for something, but congrats!

[woeful rapids]

i did not, in fact do everything right

i had to resend 🫨

but now its all good

i never really sent an email before

[silk eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-seriously-cat-cat-really-cat-really-look-cat-look-gif-22182662

[raven nacelle]

anyone here coding on mac?

[frozen flame]

plenty of people do that

[round crypt]

Preferred method honestly, but only one employer I have had has wanted to foot the bill for one for me.

[raven pine]

If I made a noise suppression software which worked by using voice recognition to block all sound not identified by the voice recognizer, would anyone use it?

[silk eagle]

I think there are already a few options out there but if it was open source with enough contribution it could definitely find a lot of users

[solemn solar]

I'd test it and compare to Nvidia Broadcast but unless it filters out noise even better than it and doesn't have a dip in quality, I wouldn't use it

[steel nova]

Hey new to the discord thread. I have a weird question regarding programming and hardware setup. Is this the best place to ask?

[solemn solar]

oh boy time to do the fun thing again

and link dont ask to ask

[olive oriole]

aint even gonna lie what the hell

[solemn solar]

?

[olive oriole]

how did you make the link like that

[solemn solar]

Ah, it's quite simple actually

[olive oriole]

thats cool ngl

[solemn solar]

[text] (link) (Without spaces)

Specifically has to be an https:// start otherwise the hyperlink won't work

[olive oriole]

not a rick roll

cough

neat

[solemn solar]

Yeah it's quite cool, it's the universal formatting for that if a text editor doesn't have a preset for it like reddit does, you can theoretically put this anywhere that supports hyperlinks

[hollow fable]

Does anyone use the free cloudflare plan for their wordpress site?

[bright cedar]

can be used for nefarious uses too so be carefull

[solemn solar]

That's true, be careful with hyperlinks

[fading osprey]

lucky for you, clicking on any link in Discord opens a popup, just never check the box and you will always be prompted to confirm first, which makes this less of an issue if users actually pay attention to the ocntent of the box, which they should be doing anyway

[solemn solar]

See I just trust whatever I see blindly and click whatever I want because no one would be so rude as to potentially do harm to my information or property, it never happens!

[mental panther]

it's almost like it warns you, and always has done so

[neon oriole]

|| hidden stuff ||

[acoustic pine]

Made a little project, basic calculator
you've seen it thousand times prob lel
i need tips on making it cleaner. It's quite rough, i'm still a huge newbie at this ehe.

cleaner code not cleaner gui

[neon oriole]

dumb question here (to think about) , but doing math is usually a pretty procedural experience , ... why make it part of a class ?

[neon oriole]

import tkinter as tk

def digit(number):
    current = disp_in.get()
    new = current + number
    disp_in.set(new)


def operator(symbol):
    disp_out.set(disp_in.get() + symbol)
    disp_in.set("")


def solve(*a):
    current = disp_out.get() + disp_in.get()
    disp_out.set(eval(current))
    disp_in.set("")


def clear(*a):
    disp_out.set("")
    disp_in.set("")


def Run(text, function):
    def run():
        function(text)
    
    return run

#Create tkinter root
root =  tk.Tk()
root.geometry("300x200")
root.title("Calculator")

#Create display section
disp_in,disp_out = tk.StringVar(), tk.StringVar()
disp_in.set("")
disp_out.set("")
headerTitle = tk.Label(root, text="Calculator", font=(16)).pack()
calculatorDisplay = tk.Entry(root, state="readonly", textvariable=disp_out, justify="right").pack(fill="x")
calculatorEntry = tk.Entry(root, state="readonly", textvariable=disp_in, justify="right").pack(fill="x")
buffer = tk.Frame(root).pack(pady=10)

#Configure inputContainer
inputContainer = tk.Frame(root)
for i in range(4):
    inputContainer.columnconfigure(i, weight=1)
inputContainer.pack(fill="x")

#Inputs
buttons = [("1", 0, 0,digit), ("2", 0, 1,digit), ("3", 0, 2,digit), ("+", 0, 3,operator),
           ("4", 1, 0,digit), ("5", 1, 1,digit), ("6", 1, 2,digit), ("/", 1, 3,operator),
           ("7", 2, 0,digit), ("8", 2, 1,digit), ("9", 2, 2,digit), ("-", 2, 3,operator),
           ("CE", 3, 0,clear), ("0", 3, 1,digit), ("=", 3, 2,solve), ("*", 3, 3,operator)]
for text, row, column,function in buttons:
    tk.Button(inputContainer, text=text, command=Run(text,function)).grid(row=row, column=column, sticky=tk.W+tk.E)

root.mainloop()

[acoustic pine]

this breaks the ability to do continuous operation though

like i input 36, then + then 52, then + again it resets

[nimble shore]

how can I collect and combine multiple xhr data packages into one video
I tried downloading a couple of them using a script that I made but the video was choppy and some of sections in the combined clip is missing
I also have m3u8 url

[acoustic pine]

the intended behavior would be, after i input the "+" it will complete the previous stored operation which is 36 + 52 then the answer is put on display2 with the "+" operand ready for the next input

pressing + again after should produce this

[neon oriole]

import tkinter as tk

def digit(number):
    current = disp_in.get()
    new = current + number
    disp_in.set(new)


def operator(symbol):
    current = disp_out.get()
    if current:
        solve()
        disp_out.set(disp_out.get()+ symbol)
    else:
        disp_out.set(disp_in.get() + symbol)
        disp_in.set("")


def solve(*a):
    current = disp_out.get() + disp_in.get()
    disp_out.set(eval(current))
    disp_in.set("")


def clear(*a):
    disp_out.set("")
    disp_in.set("")


def Run(text, function):
    def run():
        function(text)
    
    return run

#Create tkinter root
root =  tk.Tk()
root.geometry("300x200")
root.title("Calculator")

#Create display section
disp_in,disp_out = tk.StringVar(), tk.StringVar()
disp_in.set("")
disp_out.set("")
headerTitle = tk.Label(root, text="Calculator", font=(16)).pack()
calculatorDisplay = tk.Entry(root, state="readonly", textvariable=disp_out, justify="right").pack(fill="x")
calculatorEntry = tk.Entry(root, state="readonly", textvariable=disp_in, justify="right").pack(fill="x")
buffer = tk.Frame(root).pack(pady=10)

#Configure inputContainer
inputContainer = tk.Frame(root)
for i in range(4):
    inputContainer.columnconfigure(i, weight=1)
inputContainer.pack(fill="x")

#Inputs
buttons = [("1", 0, 0,digit), ("2", 0, 1,digit), ("3", 0, 2,digit), ("+", 0, 3,operator),
           ("4", 1, 0,digit), ("5", 1, 1,digit), ("6", 1, 2,digit), ("/", 1, 3,operator),
           ("7", 2, 0,digit), ("8", 2, 1,digit), ("9", 2, 2,digit), ("-", 2, 3,operator),
           ("CE", 3, 0,clear), ("0", 3, 1,digit), ("=", 3, 2,solve), ("*", 3, 3,operator)]
for text, row, column,function in buttons:
    tk.Button(inputContainer, text=text, command=Run(text,function)).grid(row=row, column=column, sticky=tk.W+tk.E)

root.mainloop()
``` solved

[acoustic pine]

yep that works now

another bug, after pressing equals button and then doing another operation

[neon oriole]

i was tought that a class is like a factory for objects of the same "sort", and that if there is only gonna be 1 object made of that sort , it probably doesnt need to be a class...

[acoustic pine]

the quickest solution i can think of in my head at the time

[neon oriole]

and about the bug do you mean that it is possible to do another operation , and you dont want it to , because doing another operation after equals seems to work here

[acoustic pine]

i press equal i get result

intended: i press another input, it clears display

i press equal i get result

bug: i type 9 and then plus and it becomes this

[neon oriole]

ah i see what you mean

[acoustic pine]

though this part is godsend
i can make use of this

gonna make it there be less if-else shit

[nocturne galleon]

does anyone know to change to the second demision after i input my first demisional value, ping with any answer please

[nocturne galleon]

dumper and bypass is the same thing?

[solemn solar]

Idk what that software is but I would assume double clicking would allow you to

[mental panther]

that's fusion 360

[mental panther]

to change between the two without using the mouse you just press tab iirc

[vernal marsh]

Hi, so I am trying to store multiple numeric datatypes in a single uint_8 array... something like this

// ....
  std::array<std::span<uint8_t>, G.graph_data_size> data_spans;
  std::array<manifold::d_type, G.graph_data_size> data_types;

private:
  std::vector<uint8_t> data;
  manifold::CompactStaticGraph<__COMPACT_TEMP_PARAMS> _graph;

Where data is stored in data vector which is almost never used directly, all it does is to store the data. data_spans contains the spans for each array of type in data_types in the graph.

This is probably not the best way to store them. Spans can be replaced by c style pointers which are easier to typecast not requiring bunch of reinterpret casts of ref. But Is there a better way to store this kind of structure not using hash maps.

PS. I do want to note that I know all the datatypes arrays being used during costexpr time, I was considering doing an array for each data type by using std conditional but that seemed overly complicated.

[blazing sundial]

Queue<Float> nums = new PriorityQueue<Float>();

nums.offer(97.79f);
nums.offer(86.00f);
nums.offer(99.93f);
nums.offer(45.40f);

for (float i : nums) System.out.println(i);

Why am I getting the output:
45.4
86.0
99.93
97.79

ain no way 99.93 is greater than 97.79

[rotund zinc]

I have an idea

[solemn solar]

I forget who doesn't like divs here but I'm gonna give them a heart attack.
It's all divs.
Enjoy

[rotund zinc]

Here is some context, I will be making a web app + free API that archives every single drop. It will be open-source and made in the Sweet Laravel stack (Splade, Laravel, Vue, Tailwind CSS). If you would like to help out, development, suggestion or help filling the archive, feel free to ping me here or DM me. I am working on making an email (something like [e-mail]). I'm gonna try to finish it all by christmas, development starts today

It has begun.

[fading osprey]

Congratulations, you've joined the group of us archiving all the things

[solemn solar]

What's it gonna be archiving exactly

[mental panther]

going to guess clips of linus dropping things

[solemn solar]

Lmao I'm down to help

[rotund zinc]

I'm thinking it's like a YouTube embed with a timestamp, I'm not sure how to handle stuff on FP Exclusives, maybe an uploaded clip on yt. I'll email something at LMG to make sure my ass isn't gonna be grass

It'll have filtering which is gonna be essential (host, date, channel, etc)

I'm even down for a ranking system, but then I'd probably need a login/account system, it's easy but idk if people would be comfortable with logging using Discord

One more note to myself, "Impact Rating", like how hard was it dropped. Maybe the lowest option could be "Linus-sized Impact"

also just so were all clear im not intending to make $ on this, just a fun project, because i dont think lmg would be ok with a "donate" button

[fading osprey]

From my own personal experience, if it's on floatplane, just give a timestamp and a URL, don't reupload or record or otherwise publish it, those are the rules I have been asked to abide by for TWDB, so I'll save you the wait for a reply from LMG 🙂

[solemn solar]

It would also just be very unethical to reupload FP Exclusives

[rotund zinc]

Yep agreed, cheers on the reply

Does FP have a way to link to a timestamp?

[fading osprey]

Additionally, I am allowed a donate button, and I have some other stuff I've cleared with LMG, but donations are not a thing they generally take issue with

[fading osprey]

It does not have any public way of doing it, sadly

[rotund zinc]

Oh my God I am slow as balls, you're the guy that made WanDB?

[fading osprey]

Lol, yeah that's me, it's a work in progress and very broken, but that's me

[rotund zinc]

[fading osprey]

Though this is something I'd like to speak to the FP team about at some point, just trying to get in touch with them is a bit of an ordeal, I can't seem to get past fp support even with my WanDB email lol

But yeah, if you've got any questions, feel free to DM me, I'm on holiday this weekend but I'll reply as and when I check my phone/have an answer 🙂

[rotund zinc]

Thanks for your help

[solemn solar]

I can theoretically help with the most baseline code possible but I suck at anything other than basic CSS and HTML

[rotund zinc]

Also I'll add a suggestion box so taht anyone can suggest a "drop", bcs going through a lot of videos is gonna be cbt

[rotund zinc]

Hey even as a tester, everyone is welcome

[fading osprey]

You'll soon figure out ways to automate things lol, it's one of the first things I started doing on WanDB, that's part of why the UI is so crap

[rotund zinc]

I'll self host it in my own room

[solemn solar]

I'm down to do whatever since it's a cool project

Oh yea regarding hosting I don't know if it's any good but I heard good stuff about Vercel and all it needs is a gitlab/github account and a domain

[fading osprey]

Cloudflare is your friend, you can serve a basic HTML/CSS site using R2 for $5/month, or you can use Workers/Pages for free with some likitations

[rotund zinc]

I'm kinda doing this to take a break from all the "serious" projects and more to do something on the side. I've been working on a "facebook marketplace" sort-of project for the 🇧🇦 bosnian market, since our (defo not monopolistic) only website has shat itself

[fading osprey]

@harsh kindle will also sing the praise of Cloudflare until the cows come home

[rotund zinc]

I'll be using CF as a DNS and Cache only tbh. I'm a guy, but nothing will stop me >:D

[rotund zinc]

Hey if it pays the bills I ain't complaining

It's getting me thru cooleg + new pc soon

[fading osprey]

For WanDB
Svelte, Postgres, Node, Bun, hell, even Rust on some modules

[rotund zinc]

Svelte my beloved

[fading osprey]

Anyway, my trainll be here soon, later folks, remember my dms are open if you have any questions, good luck and godspeed

[rotund zinc]

Thanks for the help man

[solemn solar]

I'm here to help if you need coding and no one else can

[rotund zinc]

I'm gonna die but it'll be a fun challenge, functional version by thursday next week

[solemn solar]

Nice, that sounds like a very hard deadline, you got a team already?

[rotund zinc]

solo

I'll be doing development solo but everyone is welcome to give ideas, comments or to work on the project, it'll be open sauce

[solemn solar]

You know coding well enough for a site?

[rotund zinc]

Yep, I've got 2.5+ years of experience

[solemn solar]

Okay good, I'm no longer concerned

[rotund zinc]

dw

[rotund zinc]

:p experimenting

[solemn solar]

Damn looks sick

[rotund zinc]

update

[solemn solar]

I love the UI

[rotund zinc]

the logo needs more flare, rather than just being a typography logo

[solemn solar]

Idk I like it

[rotund zinc]

activated, im gonna try msesaging myself

oke now that we have a baseline design

time to start work on the backend

[harsh kindle]

Oh yeah cloudflare is great (mostly)

They’re really only started their hosting stuff the past few years and there has definitely been some growing pains 😄
But most of the few nitpicks I have are about the dashboard. The actual service is great

[rotund zinc]

(futureproofing) but should i make it so that only one person can theoretically be counted as "having dropped the thing" or it is possible for more people to have dropped it?

frick it i am gonna add list of additional people in the clip

[harsh kindle]

i didnt even see this at first. thats funny

I didnt know this channel existed until @fading osprey pinged me here 😄

[solemn solar]

I need some advice, should I use em, px, or dv(w/h) for my font sizes and other layout stuff?
Also, how would I go about making a site that actually looks right not just on 16:9 displays but also on vertical and stuff like that

[rotund zinc]

Make your own "design system". I use Tailwind CSS and 95% of the measurements are in rem and I'd recommend you look at their documentation so you can get the general idea.

[solemn solar]

I see.
Also I've heard good stuff about alternatives of CSS like Tailwind or SCSS, is there anything they do better?

[fading osprey]

SCSS is a "superset" of CSS, eg it adds new syntax, tailwind is just thousands of regular css classes that are generated at build time based on your code

[solemn solar]

Is there any point in using them if I already know CSS to some extent?

[fading osprey]

Any point? That's entirely down to you and your use case

Tailwind is a helpful library for experimenting, but I personally dislike it quite a lot and am actively moving away from it in my projects where I can easily do so.

SCSS has some really cool features which are still lacking from the CSS spec as far as I know, but I couldn't tell you what they are since I don't use it

Also SCSS is CSS Syntax but with extra functionality and some additional syntax to make it work, if you know CSS you know SCSS, sort of

[solemn solar]

I see. Thanks for the info, I'll stick to basic for now

[round trail]

is anyone good with inventor? I need some help.

[peak acorn]

tailwind is godlike compared to writing regular css

much faster and readable (usually)

[fading osprey]

Tailwind is godlike if you don't care about reading your code ever again. Too much granularity with not enough actual ability to control things leads to an inevitable waste of bytes, and failure of efficiency

It is a great way to avoid actually learning how to use CSS, but when you really need fine control, it loses the ease it claims and becomes a hindrance over a help

[peak acorn]

flex-col flex-shrink-0 w-full overflow-hidden text-sm grow-0
beats

  flex-direction: column;
  flex-shrink: 0;
  width: 100%;
  overflow: hidden;
  font-size: 0.875rem;
  line-height: 1.25rem;
  flex-grow: 0;

any day

[solemn solar]

I'd say it depends

Like I perfectly understand everything with the code line outside of flex shrink and flex grow, but I understand absolutely nothing with the tailwind (I assume?) line

[peak acorn]

Lets just call it preference then

fyi you can always hover over a classname in vscode and it tells you the css

[fading osprey]

It is very much just preferences though love it or hate it it seems to be a preference bell curve of "hate it" -> "love it" -> "hate it" again

[peak acorn]

Damn i can NOT get this 'pibaker' software working

trying to use it to create an image that i can deploy onto RPIs without actually booting onto them to make the configurations

[woeful rapids]

oh god the patch i sent to ffmpeg has a spelling mistake

im so embarassing

[midnight wind]

just ask

[harsh kindle]

Don’t ask to ask, just ask 🙂

[woeful rapids]

finally its in!!!! im an ffmpeg contributor now!

feels really good for a 6 like patch

[peak acorn]

Does anyone have a solution for my goal?
To create an image which I can burn onto an SD card (via a .img file and etcher?) which a raspberry pi can boot off of. I need to be able to completely customize this image with packages and scripts from my computer without the hardware.

PiBaker is failing me becuase it automatically creates a 2gb virtual hard drive, which is not enough to install a desktop environment onto for the image

[nocturne galleon]

get a big sd card, and change the settings in pibaker to let it use the whole thing

[peak acorn]

cant just virtualize the sd card as well?

[rotund zinc]

I'm here to drop an update, filters have been added, date range as well as search.

Next up:

• View individual drop
• Drop submission form
• Floatplane links

I'm gonna add a couple of drops in the database just so we can have something to show it off.

[fading osprey]

very nice! looks like its coming along quite well

[solemn solar]

That looks awesome

[rotund zinc]

i kinda wish lina and lucy linus and luke could see this maybe on the wan show

I also have to make a dashboard so that I can add and manage drops and other stuff, hell I'll even make a moderator role if anyone wants to help out

[solemn solar]

Why not both

[rotund zinc]

eta for deployment should be tomorrow, it'll be around this time if not later, cooleg take much time very sad

ill publish the code to later today

[woeful rapids]

this is so cool

[solemn solar]

Yeah this is awesome

[woeful rapids]

what is it written in

[rotund zinc]

"Sweet Laravel", a tech-stack I made. It consists of Laravel, Tailwind CSS, Splade and Vue

[woeful rapids]

oh okay, better than node

[rotund zinc]

hang on i need to generate a pet emoji

[rotund zinc]

yep i love it, also it'll be open sourced so feel free to look inside

and self-hosted on my servers

[fading osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-muppets-wrong-gif-25791596

[rotund zinc]

Node is also good, don't underestimate it

is cool imo

[fading osprey]

Nuxt is cool, but I personally am partial to Svelte since revisiting it again

[rotund zinc]

I've tried SvelteKit when it wasn't fully released and it was cool, I will give it a try soon

[fading osprey]

I see you lurking @harsh kindle

[harsh kindle]

😄

[rotund zinc]

im crushing cookies and energy drinks working on this

[woeful rapids]

remember to add a good caching layer on top... especially if it ends up going on the wan show

[rotund zinc]

haha server go boom

[fading osprey]

meanwhile im reconfiguring my server to run truenas scale, because I cba waiting for LieNAS to be announced

[rotund zinc]

don't worry i will cache with Cloudflare plus Redis and other stuff

[fading osprey]

Cloudflare is GOATed

[woeful rapids]

a well configured haproxy + varnish and redis should do the trick if you dont wanna use CF

[rotund zinc]

im using traefik which should be good

[woeful rapids]

my server is not behind CF and has been doing fine

[solemn solar]

How long have yall been coding stuff for

[woeful rapids]

about 6 years give or take

[solemn solar]

Okay good I've got time

[rotund zinc]

~3

holy crap oxygenOS is spazzing out again

[fading osprey]

coming up on 9 now, 4 seriously

[solemn solar]

Oneplus user spotted, which phone?
Also nice monitor setup

[rotund zinc]

this is what i bought for myself after a year of working

ignore the mess :p

[woeful rapids]

did you mean this in a "i have zero clue what you're talking about" way?

[woeful rapids]

heyy i have a triple monitor setup too

[fading osprey]

this is sweet, I'm currently running a small TV as a second monitor lol, the paychecks cannot come fast enough

[solemn solar]

More in the "I know approximately what's going on but no real clue and now feel very basic" way

[woeful rapids]

mine are just old 5:4 displays

because im broke

[mental panther]

you're missing out

[rotund zinc]

i bought these second hand, 2xSamsung G5s for 150 euros each, all three are 144Hz 1440p 27" and my 1050ti is like a toaster

[woeful rapids]

i got mine for free at a dumpster, all 3 matching

[solemn solar]

I just took all my monitors from relatives

[woeful rapids]

been running for the past few years with few issues

[fading osprey]

+1 for the G-series monitors, I have the 165Hz 24" 1080p G3,

[solemn solar]

Vertical one found in my grandma's soviet era apartment's basement room

[woeful rapids]

all 3 overclocked to 90Hz

[rotund zinc]

lucky, i invested hard into myself, both for work and homelab stuff

[woeful rapids]

any monitor overdrivers here

[rotund zinc]

my bloody bill is 60 euros and i live alone

[fading osprey]

we have solar to offset my electricity consumption
thats about all it offsets though

[rotund zinc]

beautiful but wow that vertical is

[solemn solar]

Left one's a samsung syncmaster 2343 vertical that doesnt even support hdmi so i have to adapt a dp from my gpu cause that one doesnt support dvi

For a few weeks I used a horizontal monitor made vertical with books, which was quite fun

[rotund zinc]

but im happy that my work got me somewhere after years of not knowing what i wanted to do

[solemn solar]

That's quite nice to see, good job

[rotund zinc]

yes the joke about is stale but it pays the bills and i'm happy

[mental panther]

there really isn't anything wrong with php when done properly

laravel is great

[rotund zinc]

i mean you can make both bad and good code in any language

but laravel is a great AIO language without having to mess around with sessions, db, frontend etc

[mental panther]

wordpress's existence is probably part of the reason people dislike it

[rotund zinc]

yeah

plus the Splade package is a great because it combines PHP/Blade with Vue and introduces interopability and two-way communication

but im happy you guys and gals are accepting of my stupid and wacky ideas

[fading osprey]

PHP bad, all hail COBOL /s

[rotund zinc]

nah i'd rather do binary than COBOL

[mental panther]

every time I see cobol mentioned it reminds me of that post

https://preview.redd.it/3rw4z6030wq91.jpg?auto=webp&s=a2fd202473a6a6e3da418f909f50a53b6c71c181

[fading osprey]

this is a new meme to me but by golly is it hilarious

[rotund zinc]

experimenting

[solemn solar]

That's quite cool

[harsh kindle]

fake linus

[woeful rapids]

my pixel 7a got stolen recently so i had to improvise with a random crappy old phone

[solemn solar]

Oh god

[woeful rapids]

yes thats a kinect

[rotund zinc]

the kinect is watching

[solemn solar]

First of all, that sucks, hope you can recover from that, second, those monitors look like they are fresh from the year 2000

[woeful rapids]

i got a R5 3600 and rx 580, monitors OC'd to 90Hz, its fantastic to play driving games

[solemn solar]

Damn thats amazing

[woeful rapids]

and for compiling rust code, or to read a java stack trace

they still don't fit in 3 monitors

the total resolution is 3840x1024, or about half of 4K

[unreal ether]

cool setup!

also love the stickers on your laptop

[woeful rapids]

there are more out of view

[solemn solar]

Mine's very bare but I never look at the back so I don't really mind

[woeful rapids]

selfie from the kinect depth camera

[solemn solar]

Lmao nice

[rotund zinc]

https://github.com/safeboot/dropdb

Boom!

Gonna spice up the README game brb

[rotund zinc]

I see you @fading osprey you stargazer ❤️

[fading osprey]

me? what? never!

[rotund zinc]

I hate the fact that I have to look at this and cannot use this because SAS drives are not compatible in my server, basically rendering it useless

And it takes 2.5"/SFF disks

meanwhile my other 2 servers are pinned at nearly 90% ram usage

im gonna go vaccum until i find a damn hard drive

[harsh kindle]

not sure if i missed it or not, is it hosted yet? or just publishing the source first

[rotund zinc]

Just publishing the sauce

I'll get to hosting once I find a hard drive I can use in my R620

Probably online tmrw

[rotund zinc]

Took the old hard drive from my Macbook Pro 2010, it's 250GB and 5400RPM but it'll do the job.

For security, I'll be running the database on another machine just in case of data loss.

[rotund zinc]

Update I think my R420 has a compatible RAID card, gonna test it in the R620 and do a full migration, my R420 has only SATA drives so let's hope this works

[rotund zinc]

This is "fun"

[rotund zinc]

No luck, going back to the single 250GB hard drive

[vague parrot]

hey, i'm trying some things in js and wonder, what's the least complex between those 2:

let i = 0
for (let enemy of enemies){
i++; 
//function
}

//or


for (let i = 0; i < enemies.length; i++){
let enemy = enemies[i];
//function
}```

knowing that i need the i index anyway

[midnight wind]

why not use forEach

[rotund zinc]

enemies.forEach((enemy) => {
  // your code here!
})

this is a great alternative, as noted by PresentMonkey

[rotund zinc]

update >>> i am working with a caching issue on one js file, i have to turn off caching on CF otherwise the website explodes

[harsh kindle]

not that with forEach, there is also an index parameter passed to the callback function so you dont need to track it yourself

[rotund zinc]

a test version of dropdb is "live" on https://dropdb.tech so if you wanna see something that's really basic check it out

i need to add more drops on it :p

[neon oriole]

(my js knowledge is pretty poor but:) js function proc_enemies(unproc){ while (unproc) { enemy=unproc.pop(); //or whatever javascripts equivalent is for this) //function proc+=[enemy]; } return proc; }

[rotund zinc]

future tip if you're gonna use Vue, < in string as in like <p> hello there <3 </p> will cause chaos. use <

caused my pain trying to figure out what it is :/

Todo:

• Add a ton of drops and all the hosts
• Leaderboard and Credits page
• Submission box
• Floatplane / Image support

Also I hate to be that kind of an arse but if we can get this on WAN show, would you guys like to stress test the living hell out of this website, now it seems super snappy but I want to make sure we can handle the

Also is there a possibility they will see this?

cuz im down to stay awake after midnight to watch the wan show and see a fire get started

[harsh kindle]

it is possible, but its not very likely they'll show it on wan

good to be prepared, but dont get your hopes up 😄

[fading osprey]

Yup, Linus commented on WanDB stating that it was an amazing project, it still hasn't even seen a single utterance on the show, nevermind a showcase lol, those days are long over, and that's ok

[neon oriole]

wont be funny when he accidentally drops that table :p

[fading osprey]

Lol

[neon oriole]

ps on the <3 stuff , if your charset is set to utf8 ( <meta charset="UTF-8">) you can just drop in ```html
<p>💗</p> <!-- is 💗 -->

instead of `&lt3;`

[solemn solar]

It's cool, I'm assuming not yet meant to go to other pages?

[solemn solar]

Big issue with VSCode that I have is this preview thing. I want to tab once to complete my .Content div, but it gives me a suggestion for something I do not need and do not want. Any way of fixing this?

[rotund zinc]

Ik but I kinda like the classic <3 one

[rotund zinc]

Just finished all the other pages, will be deployed today, I'm in class rn

[solemn solar]

Lmao nice, same

Coding in class is just better tbh

[simple canopy]

There are quite a few of those lol. Real pain if you're unaware of which ones exactly cause them

[simple canopy]

I think you can just disable that preview feature in settings

Looks really nice, I might join in if I find the time and help out with some things that still need work

[solemn solar]

Sometimes it's nice, other times it's a pain in the ass, I might just entirely disable it then

[peak acorn]

Is it normal for error handling to be like half of backend code

In our current setup any time you have a function that possibly returns an error we need like 8 lines of boilerplate copy pasted error handling stuff for the apis

[fading osprey]

If you are handling errors in an identical manner, you could always just have a standard function you call whenever you have an error, and make it return the request body

It's how I do it for WanDB, I have a callback method that processes the data and behind the actual function I just have a try-catch loop with some standard error handling logic. Optionally it also takes a customer "error processor" method, which is called only if present to provide granular processing of errors where it is required (on like, two endpoints)

[frozen flame]

Absolutely not lol

Make use of middlewares

eg in my current project,

@router.route(openapi.Route(...))
@BasePermissionRestrictor()
async def get_full_calendar(request: Request, user: User) -> Response:
    resp = await request.app.db.get_calendar_items(user.workplaceId, user.id)
    return Response(resp)

thats what my entire route code looks like (with the openapi spec cut out).
error handling, ratelimits, and authorization is all already handled by the time the endpoint itself is run, so i dont have to worry about it when programming endpoints

[peak acorn]

Thanks for the input

Gonna research how I can reduce all of my error handling:)

[frozen flame]

depends on the lang/lib but generally you can do it in a middleware

if you use sentry they seem to have integrations for everything under the sun

[peak acorn]

It's a fatty Golang backend implementing some graphqpl apis but yeah the error handling stuff is kinda universal throughout

[rotund zinc]

Fixed a buncha stuff, rating system is in and the leaderboard & credits pages are available, now I justn eed to add data to it

hypeeeeeee

[fading osprey]

woot woot!

[rotund zinc]

everyone feel free to dm me your favorite drops

im going ham on teh db

[peak acorn]

Bro what

did i trash my leetcode by semi deliberately solving problems with really poor speeds

my thing is like "beats 35%" on easy problems 😵 thats so embarassing!

[spring cradle]

someone has to be last

[peak acorn]

😔

some of these problems cant even be solved faster lol

print "Hello World" and run it a few times until rng gives you a >50% score lmao

[harsh kindle]

https://dropdb.tech/drop/controlled-entry-of-a-pool-destroys-linuses-pool is missing the timestamp (its near the beginning but still)

[next igloo]

I compiled a program that runs on Windows 10 (Using SDL2 and OpenCL). I’ve tested it on the 3 computers I have in my house and they run fine.
What are some things I can do to make sure my program will run on any Windows 10 machine?

[fading osprey]

if it runs on all the computers in youre house, theres a solid chance itll run on them all, so long as they match the architecture you compiled for, and have enough power to actually run that code

[rotund zinc]

I figured the entire opening should be left in there, it's hilarious!

[shy flame]

does anyone recommend gms2 as a first engine to learn in?

[neon oriole]

you cat, since not even windows runs stable on every machine... however you can reduce the chance of it not working by, either using no libraries that don't ship with every windows version by default, or you can include the required ones with your program if the licence allows for it. (think all the c, vb and .net redistributables). lastly you can test yoiur program against wine on linux, if it runs fine with wine , your pretty safe it will also run on almost any windows out there ....

[rotund zinc]

Working on a project, thoughts on the design? Don't worry I am working on a dark mode :D

[solemn solar]

hmmmmm

[bitter mantle]

Yo guys I have a question about java

Can I ask it here or ?

[bitter mantle]

It is smooth and fast
Tough I do have a question for ya
Can the people who essentially make website or apps just like you did
Make it so that let's say on the bottom of the Jake Anderson on the first pic right

There can be an option to import an custom background on the small area on the bottom ?

If that makes sense

[rotund zinc]

Like you want to be able to have a custom background?

Or are you talking about a banner per employee

[bitter mantle]

This one

[bitter mantle]

On the bottom area which is left

[rotund zinc]

Are you referring to the red or blue section?

[bitter mantle]

The blue

[bitter mantle]

The blue

Because if you can then I mean try to do it and see the response it should be good
I think cause PPL would more like a custom background which they can put on certain areas of the website
Such as the blue one in this example

[rotund zinc]

Yeah I think that can be added, but I'm thinking that I need to figure out how it would integrate with dark mode, ty for the suggestion

[bitter mantle]

K

[solemn solar]

Looks sick, I like it a lot

This does look a bit out of place imo

[rotund zinc]

That's probably a bug from ShareX

[solemn solar]

Could be

But yea, I love it. I like the fact that there's an actual design style for it and you stick with it, the consistency is nice

[solemn solar]

Just checked this and I'm sure it's probably just a bug, but if you open up the navbar, the entirety of the elements on the right shift a little. I suggest making that differently so that it never leaves the screen

Alternatively, if the contents aren't a priority, what about a soft blur to the right side and the navbar being positioned absolutely?

[rotund zinc]

Are you talking about hovering on the sidebar? I did that on purpose so it doesn't just overlay it, it moves the entire main part

[solemn solar]

Yeah that part, the issue is that things like the profile move off the screen

[empty pier]

How to annoy a developer 101 🤣

[mellow solstice]

question can you use else in a while loop

[fading osprey]

Like, "while (condition) else"?

Not in any language I'm aware of

[tight valley]

you can use ifelse inside while loop normally. If you want to condition when the while loop activates nest it.
If(cond)
{
while(cond)
{
whileloopcode
}
}
else
{
doelsecode
}

[spring cradle]

technically Python does, apparently

[peak acorn]

Python can actually. If the while never executes, the else does

Oh oops guy above me already said, I hasn't scrolled down

[mild urchin]

not me looking through my own code and saying "who wrote this shit"

[solemn solar]

Here's a fun css property in case any of you weren't aware of it
inverts colours, just found it out, I'm sure all of you know it though

[fading osprey]

Literally me all the time, I feel called out

[peak acorn]

Anyone know a thing about running large LLMs?

Asking in this chat because i think its the best chance of getting a quality response. And the purpose is to build a llm server for software development

[main condor]

I'm going mad, i add a object to a list on java and somehow it appears on the other list at the same time (i've looked at the debugger, right when I add to list a (a.add(object)) it appears on list b, i'm going mad

[peak acorn]

Are they actually references to the same list?

This sounds very very likely

[main condor]

editedDealership.addVehicle(createdCar);

// --- Elsewhere --- //

public void addVehicle(Vehicle vehicle) {
        System.out.println("-- Current ---");
        System.out.println(this.vehicles);
        System.out.println(this.soldVehicles);
        this.vehicles.add(vehicle); // Here ? (Nope)
        System.out.println("-- New ---");
        System.out.println(this.vehicles);
        System.out.println(this.soldVehicles);
}

[main condor]

Send me your username and I can add you to my repository, would be easier for you to look at if you want to

All I know is in that exact step when I do either add(vehicle) or even add(new Vehicle(...)) somehow gets on both lists, I don't think there is one list referencing the old one

Yeah, it was related to that in some way

I was creating a dealership (in a seperate window) and save it to a serialized file, and there where other references there, so after loading it in the other window the references where kept as well, so yeah. I was truly going mad

[neon oriole]

there are ;

python im sure of so prolly also mojo

i tought zig also , but ... that one i seem to have had mixed up with switch - else

[frozen flame]

Pythons else thing is wicked stuff

[neon oriole]

🙂 both for , and try also have an optional else clause in python 🙂

[solemn solar]

I don't think my brain is functional

[bitter mantle]

What coding language is this ?

[solemn solar]

HTML

[grim wind]

Didn't realize you could do dot followed by a dot on a class inside of a style sheet when a class starts with a dot but not finishing with a dot somehow (?). That's smart dude.

[solemn solar]

What

[peak acorn]

I did not realize you could do word followed by a word in English when a word starts with a word but not finishing with words somehow (?)

[solemn solar]

I should consider taking a break

[neon oriole]

true not functional .... a span bare in a div , not inside a text tag (like p or h1 ...eg ) :evil: also the What I text not inside a text element. ... and then .... also the ../ :p

[solemn solar]

What's even the point of all the h1 p1 tags if div does the job just fine and has less overlap and is also more descriptive

[fading osprey]

page rankings

SEO likes you to follow usage specs for things

alos huge boost for accessibility, since most screen readers figure out what order to read things in based off of the page layout, not the processed css layout

[solemn solar]

And they go on endlessly? Like h50 is possible?

[fading osprey]

no, h1-h6

[solemn solar]

Any limits on paragraphs?

[fading osprey]

generally no, but just dont make them too absurdly long

[solemn solar]

Yeah I meant like p50 or something like that

[fading osprey]

and also, keep it text only, put buttons in a container div

also paragraphs are just <p>, no numbers

[solemn solar]

Issue for me is I have too much fontsize changing to only live with a limit so I'd have to change up the design, but ig if it helps accessibility I'm fine with it

[fading osprey]

yeah. font size changing can be done with <span>s, inside of a <p>, thats generally the standard practice

[solemn solar]

Ah I see, thanks for the info, gonna go through and fix up the thing then

[fading osprey]

no worries, @ me if you have more questions, im happy to help between "pwning noobs" (jk im bad at games)

[solemn solar]

Is there harm in only using headings since my paragraphs also vary in their fontsize so I'd rather just set up a heading for every one of these

[fading osprey]

it comes down to SEO and Accessibility, there's nothing stopping you from doing it, but does that mean that you should do it?

[solemn solar]

Fair point, any way of making it so I don't have to use a thousand span classes for my font weights?
Theoretically could I just reuse my divs as span classes in the h1 and p tags?

Also I got this but my application is approved, are those two separate processes and I just need to wait a few more hours for the benefits to actually get to me?

[fading osprey]

if you already have classes for divs configured for the font weights, thats fine, use those classes in the spans, css isnt locked to specific tag types unless you force a tag type on it

[fading osprey]

basically it takes a while for it to kick over, and they cant promise it will be immediate

hence "your benefits will be available to you soon"

[solemn solar]

Ah nice, kinda worried since I've seen it for like two days now, but good to know
Also the existing classes will make it so much easier for me, good to know

I appreciate the help!

[fading osprey]

if it hasnt been granted after the new year, reach out to support, someone will sort it out for you 🙂

[solemn solar]

One final thing regarding VSCode, any way to quickly mass-tab an entire section?

Converting this, for example, I would need to manually tab everything if I were to add an h1 cause I like the readability of it better, but that's a massive pain

[fading osprey]

try variations of ctrl, alt, and shift, whilst dragging the cursor, I cant remember which one does what you need, but im sure its one of them

[solemn solar]

Ight I'll see

Ah found it, I just select the content, even if it's the paragraphs, and press tab

[fading osprey]

that also works too I suppose haha

[jovial garden]

I'm making a calendar app, should I sort months the Gregorian way, with January at the beginning, the Roman way, with March at the beginning, with January and February being at the end, or alphabetically?

[fading osprey]

Make it a switch

[jovial garden]

[fading osprey]

give users the option

[jovial garden]

Ok

[solemn solar]

I would say either what Altrius said, or, if a switch isn't possible, either do region based where it checks what region the person set their device to, or, make it based on your userbase, so if you exclusively run it in one country, you just use whatever that country uses

Though the check might be considered invasive by some

I wouldn't mind it, but I'm sure some data privacy law would spontaneously appear and ruin everything

[fading osprey]

you can generally check based on system region settings

if you create a list of the "defaults" per region code, then its easy enough to compare

[solemn solar]

Yeah that would generally be the most convenient approach for the end user

Actually, if you have the effort for it, make the switch an override so they can forcibly set it if they'd like, that would be perfect for both convenience and functionality

[peak acorn]

homie what

Are you making a historical calendar or something

[jovial garden]

yes

[fading osprey]

All calendars are historical I'd you think about it

[peak acorn]

Not if you only use it for future events

[solemn solar]

Technically if you use a calendar to check what yesterday was, that is now history

[hybrid anvil]

does anyone here know about some good apps for a new windows PC?

very appreciated

[solemn solar]

• WizTree
• Everything (The app)
• Powertoys

These are my favourite more obscure ones

[hybrid anvil]

ok thanks

[neon oriole]

spacesniffer (much better than wiztree i feel),tabby,link shell_externtion, windows terminal, 7zip, freecommander,ProcessHacker2 (or SystemExplorer),Dism++,notepad++ or sublime text,winbtrfs,chocolatey, you can install most of them form (administrator) powershell by doing: pwsh winget install chocolatey after wich you can use ```pwsh
winget search [program name]
winget install [program id]
--or
choco search [program name]
choco install [program name]

ow and RWEverything 🙂

[carmine kite]

hello

[nocturne galleon]

hi

[solemn solar]

So I've got an issue with the h1 and p setups, if I use span inside h1 or p it looks different than if I just used a div, which is a nightmare because I would have to manually convert everything and remake EVERY text in my site. Any way I could get around this and make h1 + span and p + span look the same as div?

[solemn solar]

Also, first it was coding css in html, now it's coding html in css

[stoic dove]

hello

[solemn solar]

I love how rewarding it is to successfully do something like this with the help of Github Copilot and my own brain
Github copilot only helped with the gradient setup btw, since I still struggle a little with pseudo elements and background linear gradient formatting

[neon oriole]

span inherits its properties from its parent , .... if not set,... so if you add everything that gets set by the div , also in the span {},(you can check in your browser with 12 what gets inherited and what is set )

[solemn solar]

What I ended up doing was this and it works quite well to me

[fickle fox]

Hey, i want to build an e-comm store to sell electronics online, and i wanted to ask which is the best programming language to use for back-end and the best database?

[solemn solar]

How do yall find the motivation to make multiple layouts for everything so that mobile works?
I made it work on 16:9 displays and now can't any energy in me to make it work literally anywhere else

[harsh kindle]

The best way to do it IMO is plan it out yourself begin with, and find a way to have it only change minimally. For example, using inline-blocks for repeated elements so they auto-wrap when there isn’t enough space

[solemn solar]

Ah damn, I'm screwed then

[inland nexus]

Honestly, anything will work so I suggest you go with what you know. However if you are really looking to make it scalable I suggest a SQL database something like postgres and for a programming language I'd suggest either good old typescript or golang.

[midnight wind]

if you are in the business of selling use a existing solution

like shopify, no point in developing your own

[fickle fox]

Thank you

[fickle fox]

Thanks so much

[solemn solar]

So I have a site where I'll have phone recommendations based on what the user wants and one part is a brief paragraph about each phone alongside an image and some links. I'm wondering if it's easier to swap those by hand or if it's easier to link 4 things:

1. The phone image
2. Name and price of the phone
3. The author of who wrote the paragaph + the paragraph itself
4. The links to three sites with the phone

I've never done anything with databases so I'm not sure what the complexity of this would be and if it's even worth it long term.

Any advice?

[midnight wind]

kinda confused. Just make a database table with columns of the phone image, name, slug, price, links, descirption, and as for author you can use relationships

with another table called something like authors, where you can have name, picture, etc.

[solemn solar]

I've never done anything with databases before, how would that work and how difficult is it to set up?
What kind of database would it be? Etc?

[oak flint]

So, I just found something interesting. I have a Sofabaton X1 Universal Remote, and I found that on https://<remote-ip>:8102/ there is a web server. All I get is This URI does not exist when i connect, but I wonder if there is something there, just not shown right away. Any ideas on what to check?
I'm hoping it might have an API.

I'm thinking to set it up with something like Home Assistant

[sage hinge]

i'm trying to make a perl script that generates metrics from service logs and i dont actually know perl so i'm having some issues
so i'm parsing the logs with my (a bunch of other variables... ,$rtt) = split /:/; , and depending on some factors the rtt field might actually not exist in the log lines so i added this stuff:

    if ( ! defined $rtt || ! $rtt) {  $rtt = 0; } else { $rtt = int($rtt); }
    if ( ! defined $rtt || ! $rtt) { print STDERR "undef var rtt: ". $_ ."\n"; }

now for some reason the $rtt variable is not getting the 0 value, so the 2nd if just prints out every line that's missing the field

any idea how i can get it to just have a 0 value if the field is not in the logs?

nevermind, i'm stupid and the ! $rtt bit was interpreting it as a boolean

[elfin dove]

Ive recently started making a personal website, but recently random parts of it has begun flashing white repeatedly and its quite uncomfortable to look at, noone else ive sent the website to has had this problem, does anyone have any idea as to what might be going on?

[fading osprey]

It could be any number of things, browser, GPU, screen

[solemn solar]

Best idea is to just check console and see if the colours do it there

[neon oriole]

https://gsmarena.com/ ?

[solemn solar]

Oh that's one of the sites I'll be linking, but mine will be oriented for people who have no clue what anything means

Like old people or parents, for example

[neon oriole]

but start with a sqlitedb and use a tool like https://sqlitebrowser.org/ , that's easier to wrap your head around when starting out , since it's filebased db ...

[solemn solar]

I think I cn understand that one, in there I'd just make a table and use that for stuff?

[elfin dove]

could this possibly be the issue?

[solemn solar]

No clue

[cloud knot]

with or without developer tools ? you didn't enable any of these by chance

[elfin dove]

uhh no I dont believe so

tho this is cool to look at lol

I did borrow this CRT effect css code and modified it, maybe that has to do with it?

[midnight wind]

just saw this, so this would be a type of relational database, so sql, postgres, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsjvFFKOm3c

very basic intro

[solemn solar]

Will check that out, thanks

[midnight wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR0jg0eQsZA

this seems good too

[solemn solar]

Oh awesome, I appreciate it

[frozen flame]

If you're looking to learn sql, https://sqlbolt.com/ is an incredibly good interactive resource

[solemn solar]

Oh sick, thanks

[cinder wharf]

For folks curious about the lttlabs site I made a twitter thread going over the technology that I can tell it's using - mainly NextJS / T3

https://fxtwitter.com/RhysSullivan/status/1741963314207551549?s=20

no tRPC though which is interesting - app router means server actions are supported but imo if you're using server actions you may as well use tRPC

[gusty girder]

You remember thinking using JavaScript as your backend was weird/ineffiecient?

Prepare yourself for JavaScript in your database.
https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/post/introducing-javascript-support-in-mysql
...
Truly, people will do anything but learn actual proper SQL lmao. 😂

[frozen flame]

wtf why

I have yet to encounter anything that can't be handled by sql or plpgsql

[elfin dove]

Fireship!

[warm anchor]

https://youtu.be/W2X60oHXDA0

this is my first attempt at a long format youtube video

[oak thunder]

Oh for goodness sake why can’t people just use normal sql instead of using JS functions in db. This will probably not be very quick.

[fading osprey]

Y'all know we've had JS, TS, CoffeeScript, etc plugins for Postgres for years at this point? MySQL adding JS support for DB functions isnt exactly a new thing in the db space, it is just new for MySQL

From the Procedural Language Matrix for PostgreSQL

you fancy writing DB methods using LOLSPEAK?

HAI 1.2
CAN HAS STDIO?
VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!"
KTHXBYE

[frozen flame]

tbh the problem is more that they couldve spent that time doing signficantly more useful things

like yknow, fixing their stupid connection drops

[fading osprey]

oh without a doubt

but people getting mad at the fact that JS is the language they chose to add, is pretty stupid, when you look at the primary competitor

[frozen flame]

also whos the fucker responsible for putting lolcode into postgres

[fading osprey]

uncertain

cannot find the original link, and the link on the page is a deadlink

[neon oriole]

😦 when you remove half your program and it still just throws the same error 😦

[neon oriole]

lol haskell : status :production,... thats not true everyone knows haskell is purely academic :p

[tender hedge]

anyone here know anything about rust, and could help me figure out why a counter isn't working? I'm just starting out with rust

[fading osprey]

I know enough to about Rust to know I suck at it, but shoot I'm happy to take a look

[tender hedge]

lol, fair, here's the code

[fading osprey]

and what is it doing?

[tender hedge]

endlessly printing "again" to a command line

I have to ctrl c it every time

[fading osprey]

take a look at line 6

you are redeclaring count by adding let in front of it, when you've already declared it on line 3

if you remove let from line 6 it should work

[tender hedge]

alright, just a sec

totally worked, thank you!

[fading osprey]

👍 happy to help!

I've never seen a for loop done like this in Rust, I'll have to look into it for my own projects lol

[tender hedge]

I am just going through the book in order of chapter honestly. I don't think I've gotten to for loops yet, just started working on basic loops. I just wanted to see if I understood what I was doing well enough, and clearly I didn't, lol

[fading osprey]

nah, variable reassignment is a pretty easy mistake to make, and awkward to find as well

[tender hedge]

yeah, being able to bounce code off of people helps me a lot with the things I normally miss, cause I don't really know what I'm doing, lmao

anyway, back to the lovely and not at all brain breaking process that is learning rust

[fading osprey]

yes, it takes a long time, and is really funky at times lol

[neon oriole]

hehe , if it was c , it would be like break would become goto, and the if condition inverted , and the again a label 🙂

unsigned int count;
AGAIN:
  count=count+1;
  printf("again!");  
  if (count =< 10) {
    goto AGAIN;
  }
printf("that was 10 times")
``` hehe tought it was funny

[neon oriole]

i find 80% of my solutions just by trying to compose a question to ask... so having a place where you can is a must for me aswell, if only so i put in the effort of composing a questrion

[tender hedge]

honestly valid, I'll probably be back here soon, the activity at the end of this chapter is to build a program without the book to guide you

as far as best practice goes, if I know i'm going to have twelve things that I want to list off, should I use an array? or should I just call them seperately

I also need the output to build on the previous output

like, twelve days of christmas style

[fading osprey]

sounds to me like youve got countless hours of MANDATORY FUN ahead of you

[tender hedge]

oh gods, lmao

[wicked oriole]

hey im new to html/css and using github pages to host my site. i have this code to detect for mobile usage using detection of portrait mode

      .centered-content {
        
      }
      body {
        font-size:80%;
      }
}```
but when i view it in my phones browser from its oublic domain it just displays the desktop page. Displays how i want it to in Acode's preview browser in the inapp version and even when i view it in firefox via localhost. Basically, it ignores this scriot when its on the github pages public domain but when i view it locally on my phone it works. Any idea why?

also, the entirety of the code is at https://github.com/cowshu/leesite

[visual sand]

I'm gonna try making a custom Ventoy theme with another Ventoy theme
if u wanna follow the same project i'm doing, here's the stuff

• Tutorial - YouTube
• CyberRe Grub Theme - gnomelook (embed removed)

Not required but cool

• Convert TTF and OTF fonts to GRUB2 font - ChatGPT

[visual sand]

one hour and a bit of tweaking later

[solemn solar]

VSCode hasn't been giving me CSS intellisense support with this extension, anyone else having issues?

[modest grove]

sry if I sound like an annoying ####### but... what about making the "OS" text white, and the selector have a gradient too?

This took 72 seconds when I was debugging... VS code's terminal is one hell of a bottleneck

gives me a dumb idea

[visual sand]

I could do that, looking back at it the #0000FF colour is kinda hard to read

[indigo dragon]

anybody here know a good hash library for Rust?

need something like SHA-256 or bcrypt

[fading osprey]

Take a look at the rust crypto project, they've done a bunch of different algorithms including various hashing algorithms like (from memory) sha256 sha3-256, and blake2

https://github.com/RustCrypto

[indigo dragon]

nice. would all of these work with the WebAssembly target?

[frozen flame]

I wonder what the advantage of these instead of just binding to the C libraries is

[indigo dragon]

for me it's portability into WebAssembly

also conflicting versions in Rust are handled automatically by default with namespacing

you can't have two conflicting versions of a C bound library because of symbol name conflicts

at least that's been my experience

[fading osprey]

If it's pure rust, then it should translate to the wasm build target, these libraries are pure rust, that's why I use them

[indigo dragon]

yea that sounds about right

[fading osprey]

Safety: the compiler can check and optimise rust code, it cannot provide the same confirmations for C libraries. Where minimising risk is a requirement, using native Rust is always going to be the best option for safety

[frozen flame]

Except for missing on the safety that comes from using widely used libraries with decades of patches and the mainstream focus of security researchers

[indigo dragon]

since both can target LLVM you can throw formal verification stuff at it to verify that they're behaviorally identical in the ways that matter, but i'm not sure whether these projects do that

[indigo dragon]

i do agree with your point generally that, of the open source C projects, crypto-based ones already have the most scrutiny

[fading osprey]

The AEAD crate alone has >31 million downloads, how is this not "widely used"?

[frozen flame]

Peanuts compared to its C counterpart?

[fading osprey]

Yes, C libraries have the advantage of age, and a wider install base, but the rust libraries are by no means less safe, and painting them as such because they don't bind to C libraries is a silly argument

[indigo dragon]

Rust does have substantial corporate investment from people like Cloudflare and a bunch of other people

i'd look for skin in the game where it's used as a good litmus test here

[frozen flame]

Does that investment reach these guys?

I can't actually tell

[fading osprey]

The investment is into the Devs who contribute on behalf of the corporate entity, so in a way yes

[indigo dragon]

honestly i'm not sure for this project, but Rust generally yes. my point wasn't that Cloudflare's investment in Rust is an investment in the whole ecosystem

but like Cloudflare runs a blog and makes it known what they use internally for a lot of these things

[fading osprey]

That's the beauty of open source, you can either donate, or you can invest into your dev team contributing effort to the project

[indigo dragon]

from a practical day-to-day perspective this is the biggest vaule-add since i've had multiple larger projects where two downstream dependencies require openssl-sys and i have to fenagle the version down from latest to find some mutually-compatible version

or pass through some feature flags to force one to not use openssl-sys and use one of the Rust-native ones instead

[frozen flame]

That only works if cloudflare (or other corpo with money) is actually investing into these projects though

[indigo dragon]

yea my point isn't that investment in Rust = investment in the project

but more generally that they advertise their investment in Rust, so you can look around to see who is advertising their investment in a project

[fading osprey]

They wouldn't be using them if they weren't also sure they could be trusted

[indigo dragon]

you can look at the commit history for corporate email addresses and whatnot

[fading osprey]

Cloudflare especially has reason to be cautious about that sort of stuff given their prominent position as the internet people

[indigo dragon]

you have any favorite rust libraries?

[indigo dragon]

a specific example i've hit is linking against SQLite twice: once for the ORM and once for direct access

ORM = wrapper around databases to make them type-safe in the language and handle things like migrations

[frozen flame]

I despise ORMs

[indigo dragon]

what do you not like about them?

[frozen flame]

Query builders

Type safety is cool but shoddy sql builders that make it more annoying to write manipulative queries are a plague

[indigo dragon]

yea i can see that. i'm using diesel and the issue i had was i can't include a backdoor to just run raw SQL and return responses

[frozen flame]

(Also formatters making a 300 line monstrosity with what could've been a 30 line sql query angers me but that's just formatting)

[indigo dragon]

it needs to know either the total number of elements or the names of the columns at compile time

granted i'm only doing this for admin tasks through a HTTP endpoint, so nothing performance critical

i just closed the ORM, forked off sqlite3 and sent the raw output back over HTTP

using an HTML form and HTTP GET/POST

[harsh kindle]

The best feeling ive ever had in development is when I optimized a task that used to take 30 seconds down to ~500 milliseconds

[indigo dragon]

What does it do?

[harsh kindle]

aggregates some stats from a ton of db rows

i dont remember the exact number of db rows, but its somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000

[indigo dragon]

oh lol very topical

what database are you using?

[harsh kindle]

the query wasnt the part that was taking a while, it was the actual processing once I got the rows

[indigo dragon]

what sort of stats?

i worked with the cybersecurity club while at university and one of the CTF challenges i thought about doing was a remote-code execution with Postgres stored procedures

postgres is such a modular ecosystem it’s wonderful

[frozen flame]

postgres is great

[indigo dragon]

yea in a previous life i developed for postgres at [large cloud provider]

working on their query optimization stuff

[frozen flame]

in recent times ive moved so much data processing onto postgres instead of the api

so much faster lol

[indigo dragon]

yea

currently i’m using sqlite because of deployment simplicity for my project stuff but might move to postgres if i need more speed

rust has this feature called “artifact dependencies” where i can build a target for another platform and refer to the output in rust through compile-time environment variables

[frozen flame]

RETURNING has spoiled me, i hate dealing with sqlite now

[indigo dragon]

SQLite has RETURNING in later versions AFAICT

[frozen flame]

not whatever the hell python compiles with

[indigo dragon]

that’s rough. are you using sqlute? do you have a version number?

[frozen flame]

sqlite comes with python by default

ive no clue what version it uses cuz i just default to postgres for everything nowadays

[indigo dragon]

huh. had no idea

[indigo dragon]

one of the things i wanted to work on was better LLVM-Postgres inter-operability

[frozen flame]

the async drivers for postgres are fantastic

[indigo dragon]

so you can compile a stored procedure and run it as either binary or LLVM-IR

which is great, but fundamentally there are two phases: the query planning phase and the query execution phase

the [large cloud provider] version of postgres was designed as a distributed system so the query planner can compile down into a set of commands to run on each postgres node in the cluster

LLVM (through its attributes) can describe the functionality of functions through attributes

one attribute (i forgot the postgres name) effectively says “this function is commutative”)

LLVM should be able to produce an attribute to the postgres stored procedure during compile time and emit that somehow (with some patch, perhaps)

our approach was to always ignore this value if specified because we don’t want a configuration error causing data loss

but the compiler is a much stronger source-of-truth here

the end goal was to ship something like postgres-cc that exposed these properties

the process is a bit jank and there’s the more fundamental problem of selling to people who solve problems with money

which is completely valid, but it means that the ability to scale matters a lot more than the speed of an individual node

[indigo dragon]

i’m actually not aware of this. has this always been around or has it been introduced in some major version?

[frozen flame]

https://github.com/MagicStack/asyncpg

[indigo dragon]

very cool

[frozen flame]

it uses a lot of cython for speed

[indigo dragon]

yea that makes sense

[indigo dragon]

anyways my point being that if push-comes-to-shove, i can compile Rust stored procedures, load them into my program at compile time and load/configure them on postgres during initialization

i don’t think i’ll hit that point any time soon (and even if i do, embedded databases simplify deployment for me a lot)

[frozen flame]

thats some wild stuff

i just write procedures into my schema

[indigo dragon]

that could legitimately be a powerful addition to something like diesel (the rust orm)

i’m using the artifact binary pattern to attach a WebAssembly target to a web server

it might make it marginally faster but again my rationale was ease of deployment

[indigo dragon]

I’ve crashed cargo and wasm-pack three different ways in the past 10 minutes

Maybe I should go to bed

[solemn solar]

I'm loving using Github Copilot, I pressed tab 4 times to get this. I only wrote the name of the top div, the rest it just gave as autocomplete hints. Consistent with the rest of my site design style and no typing necessary. I love it.

[vague parrot]

smoll memory leak

[solemn solar]

I didn't know firefox became chrome

[modest grove]

I gotta convert a single threaded benchmark to a multi-threaded benchmark

[modest grove]

Firefox really tryina copy chrome

[vague parrot]

Well, I noticed I forgot to close a loop lmfao

[modest grove]

Unless I messed it up, it should be perfectly functional now

It's only dual threaded rn

[vague parrot]

it got to 25GB of ram before crashing x)

[solemn solar]

Christ

You ran effecitvely an entire game purely on ram

Btw is coding a site purely on HTML and CSS without any flavour, no tailwind or anything, weird?

[modest grove]

It works... It just gives out a lower score on dual threaded compared to single threaded... which is weird

ima disable the print statement to see if that adds performance

oof... yeah this aint... this aint great chief

either it was on par or worse

I'ma try a quad threaded test

that made it even worse

deep breath AAAAAAAAA

ima leave it in anyways

maybe phenoms arent great at multitreading... or maybe python isnt who knows

[indigo dragon]

Python isn’t great at multitasking

The GIL might be killing performance here

[frozen flame]

yeah youd have to use multiprocessing in python

threading or async are good for i/o bound stuff, not pure number crunching

[indigo dragon]

rewrite it in rust

[fading osprey]

the only true solution

[modest grove]

actually, sure. I'll learn rust

It's gonna have more performance and less interpreter lag since its compiled, not interpreted

[indigo dragon]

Yea. Also I find it more ergonomic for one off projects

[solemn solar]

Any solution?

Trying to use Five server to live host an HTML file, but can't seem to make it work

[indigo dragon]

What exactly is Five server?

[oak thunder]

Damn ngl I just use the live server plugin for vsc

I mean all my development stuff that I do is through ssh anyways

[indigo dragon]

Yea VScode with SSH is what I use at work

It works pretty well but I’ve had reliability issues with the vscode server side daemon

That’s probably a corporate infrastructure issue tbh so i won’t hold it against it

[solemn solar]

Also fun bit of info to anyone who uses the Better Comments extension on VSCode, if you make a new profile and make the colour code invalid, it will make the entire line transparent and hide the comment mark
So something like this is now possible

I use * for the green colour btw, that's not just the syntax highlighting, all of that is wrapped in a comment

[indigo dragon]

That’s neat

[solemn solar]

I found it by messing around too much and breaking one of the colour codes, quite proud of finding that one

[indigo dragon]

Incredible

[rotund zinc]

ladies, gentlemen and everything inbetween, i present you this

bro things https://dropdb.tech is valuable.

this has to be the greatest to email ever.

[junior birch]

I hope someone can help me here.
I have a project where I need to send a UDP packet from my raspberry pi pico w to my laptop but the sending code that works on my laptop gives me a [Errno 107] ENOTCONN on the pico.

[indigo dragon]

Uhh can you post some source

UDP is a connectionless protocol but some places have a convention where there “connection” is just setting a reusable value for the destination

[junior birch]

weirdly enough by writing the code I had inside of a class directly into the repl it worked

[plush grotto]

I just got assigned a new project on Crystal Reports. I am not enjoying it so far.

[earnest birch]

I find it annoying how it's harder for me to replicate a site on Wordpress that is done only in html

Like I dunno if I should just write the site in html like the site actually is or use wordpress stuff to try and make the work easier

[plush grotto]

Man, I really hate Crystal Reports. No Python support to make shit easier for me, which would have been nice because of cursor.next_set().

[midnight wind]

wordpress makes things easier, espeically if you use the CMS features and the new block features

[midnight wind]

repl is a different enviroment than a pi

especially a pi pico, the pico is more similar to a arduino uno

[junior birch]

I meant the picos repl session via serial console

[earnest birch]

Now I see why everyone hates wordpress

[solemn solar]

How much effort do you have and what result do you want?

I learned HTML and CSS over 2 months and now it's just learning the minor features of it and learning all the insanity of cross compatibility and media queries for layout sizing
Also gotta learn SQLite

[earnest birch]

For assignment, I need to copy someone's website, I chose develop.games. Site itself is written all in HTML and nothing else but getting the HTML to work with wordpress while maintaining that site would look like original doesn't seem to work

[earnest birch]

Ah, figured it out.

Issue was that I couldn't figure out where I had to put the css code but found the place, which was quite hidden

[neon oriole]

what do you mean? its the best remote shell software out there , and it comes with handy blog functionallity build in ... 😎

[neon oriole]

if you can still change ... take a look at : https://www.redox-os.org/ , then take a look at the page source, should be doable (no js) and its not an ugly site...

[earnest birch]

The editor or however you call it seems a bit lacking, like what I was expecting was being able to drag specific stuff to other parts of the page but I couldn't figure it out or that isn't a thing.
As soon as I found the HTML spot, stuff got a lot easier

[neon oriole]

that comment was not a positive one towards wordpress :p

[indigo dragon]

aight i'm working on that SSH TUN/TAP bootstrapping utility

reading up the Linux netlink APIs since I'd rather use those directly than assume the ip or ifconfig commands exist

[indigo dragon]

SQLite is definitely worth learning. Any complex application should really persist any state it can in a real database

[solemn solar]

Yeah I'm in the process of learning it. Only issue now is how on earth do I make it work with my code, I think I have the database creation basics understood

On the topic of that, how DO I make it work? How would I link SQLite with JS and make it so that it adds the elements?

[grim citrus]

there's a package that connects the db to your application

i think the sqlite one is just called sqlite

[fading osprey]

sqlite3 is what you want in nodejs

[grim citrus]

yup thats the one

[solemn solar]

From there, how would I connect it? How do I get NodeJS?
Sorry, I haven't really found a comprehensive guide and am a complete beginner to this stuff

[fading osprey]

right, uhh, you currently just have a html file with some JS attached dont you?

[solemn solar]

Yep

[fading osprey]

Your next foray into coding, will be learning the renowned art of the REST API, and Server Side programming....

This is a long winding road that leads to many rabbit holes.

A good place to start for someone with JS knowledge is Node.JS which is a desktop runtime for Javascript, which is "the standard" for JS backend development. You will want to look into an api framework like Express, and you will need to learn how to make use of the fetch api

Here's a relatively quick video explaining what all of the above means, I'd say @ me if you have any issues, but I'll be asleep long before that point, so good luck, have fun, if you run into any issues pop your issue (and a screenshot, prefereably) in this chat, and someone will help you at some point 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3pX6fSUpc

[solemn solar]

Ight awesome, thanks!
I appreciate this

[fading osprey]

(forgot to add the video lmfao)