cars

[stoic ledge]

(I know that's how it has to be done, but I don't often see it :) )

[onyx kayak]

Oh fuck, I have to pay a lot of money... Had rented a car yesterday and drove about 900km

And well, 500 where inclusive and now I have to pay about 120€ extra

[tribal heron]

Dicsord

totally legit

[north summit]

<@&750150305383186585>

[jovial mauve]

@stoic ledge

https://www.autoscout24.nl/aanbod/audi-sq5-3-0-tfsi-quattro-354-pk-pano-b-o-dodehoek-benzine-zwart-b734565e-b0e5-4ef0-bbdd-d95687195039?sort=price&desc=1&lastSeenGuidPresent=true&cldtsrc=listPage&cldtidx=3&search_id=2e5ig7lf0k7&source=listpage_search-results

thoughts

[charred depot]

clean 250k mile 406 deesel

[stoic ledge]

US import

TFSI so gasoline

I think the European SQ5 was a diesel back then

🤮

Coupe SUV

It's still a TDI here

Which is very odd as diesels have basically disappeared here

Sales went from 50% to 5% over the last few years 😂

2017-2018 they made is a TFSI, 2019- it's a TDI again

Yup

Sadge

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

yeah but i want gasoline not diesel xD

[stoic ledge]

Friend of mine has a Tiguan.... Always found he had a weird spec (2.0 TSI 4Motion, basically full options but without climate control lol), last time I wrote in it I thought it rode bad so he had it checked out.... Turns out it's a US import which was total loss twice But they changed the bumpers, sat nav, gauges etc to EU spec. Found some pics of it being suctioned back in 2014 as a write off

So, always buy a rapport on US import cars

[chilly hatch]

I never thought ppl would import from us considering the trash quality of cars here 💀

If anything there are eu imports sometimes here

[stoic ledge]

It was so shit, nobody in the US wanted it

[chilly hatch]

LMFAO FR

[stoic ledge]

Ngl, they fixed it up good at least as far as body work is concerned

[chilly hatch]

Ong bro anything that isn't japanese or eu made is so trash

[stoic ledge]

But the mechanics is just shite

[chilly hatch]

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

It also has an illogical mileage

So definitely has been tempered with

Best car

[chilly hatch]

Is it mileage or kilometers

[stoic ledge]

It's now in kilometers, as they fitted a European cluster

[chilly hatch]

Canadan cars have both kmh and mph which I found rlly neat

[chilly hatch]

Ah

[stoic ledge]

UK has that too

[chilly hatch]

Yea

Except here kmh is bigger and mph is smaller

[stoic ledge]

Ah yeah UK it the other way around

Mainland Europe just has km's, no mph

[chilly hatch]

Yeah

I wonder if eu cars can get imported but get specced to us standard, prolly

Since cars Here are legit the same in us but with a diff speedometer

[stoic ledge]

US spec so shite?

[chilly hatch]

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

Btw pizza just arrived so brb

[chilly hatch]

I mean if police see car company theve never seen before there gonna think smths sus

Cya

[stoic ledge]

US cops will find everything sus

😛

[chilly hatch]

Lmfao

bro idk how they find the expired license sitckers

there so small

[stoic ledge]

I think you can import Canadian cars as long as they meet US regulations, a.k.a same spec as US cars 😛

[chilly hatch]

and somebody got fined for blocking the "Yours to discover" slogan on our plate

its not even part of the plate

[chilly hatch]

they are legit the same thing

[stoic ledge]

It's in the license plate system here, no need for something on the plates

[chilly hatch]

except with diff speedometer

oh

[stoic ledge]

Can I Legally Import a Vehicle from Canada? Absolutely! Importing vehicles from Canada is permitted by any person looking to use the vehicle for personal use. It must comply with the Federal Department of Transportation safety standards and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency emissions standards.

[fathom socket]

I was thinking if shorting instead of using a relay could be a good idea

I wanna basically force run the auxilary fan all the time at full speed

[chilly hatch]

ye

[fathom socket]

where even is the 307 cooling control relays

[stoic ledge]

#8, engine bay

https://fuseandrelay.com/peugeot/307.html

[fathom socket]

it's a 2003 year model

[stoic ledge]

Yes Phase 1

[fathom socket]

k

I'll go and checc

[stoic ledge]

[fathom socket]

Me confused

I need force run radiator fan

[stoic ledge]

Should be this one

But that's the fuse ofco, not the relay?

[fathom socket]

A fuse

I need relay

Or a wire i can force it on

[civic spoke]

I just see fuses there???

[fathom socket]

And I found a few blown fuses

But wtf does the 16th fuse do

[stoic ledge]

I'm not really seeing any relays on there lol

[fathom socket]

It still has factory spares lol

[civic spoke]

Paper says "40A Electro valve for boost pressure control of the power unit with automatic transmission."

There's the ones related to the fans.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but just fuses... Maybe there's no actual relay just ECU without relay

[fathom socket]

But it's a fricking fuse

[fathom socket]

I guess then nothing I can do

Oh fuck me

[stoic ledge]

Nope, except running new wires immediately to the battery lol

[fathom socket]

The relay is on the fan it self

[stoic ledge]

Oh

[fathom socket]

That means I have to remove the bumper to access the relay

[stoic ledge]

Best design

But is the relay actually working? Maybe that's the problem

Is the fan on when it's warm?

[fathom socket]

The fan turns on but when it's like

It does not overheat when ac is on, but it does the same thing where it turns on too late

Faulty temp sensor?

[charred depot]

can you not just fuck around with the cables going to the temperature switch

[civic spoke]

Turning the AC on, and setting the fan to MAX should force the fan to turn on.

[charred depot]

that car should have a temperature switch and temperature sensor

[fathom socket]

It turns on, but not at full speed

This car is already giving me more issues than the 5 owner focus i had

So I guess I need to take wires from the fan it self and force run them

[charred depot]

Im not sure if your car has a temperature switch or not, worth looking for that first

[fathom socket]

I think it has a sensor

[charred depot]

thought it might have both

[fathom socket]

Screw it. I'll call a mechanic to replace it

This car has too much electronics

[charred depot]

XUD swap

can probably run on LPG... probably

with a bit of diesel

[civic spoke]

I'm trying to think about what would cause the overheating issue.

[fathom socket]

The relay box is over here

[civic spoke]

Fun

[fathom socket]

I would need a lift or take off the bumper

[charred depot]

take the plate off and drill a big hole :^)

apparently your car has a "fan control unit"

what utter shite just have it full speed or nothin 😤

who needs such precise control

[fathom socket]

It's where I've marked

[charred depot]

may be that part which is your issue, not too expensive new as they are produced by cheapo companies which probably means they break often to warrant them spinning up shitty mass production

its french fanceh electrics that should be a given but..

[fathom socket]

I call someone after tomorrow

I can't take my car apart on the driveway I park

Oh look

The right mirror closes now

So I guess that was the fuse?

[charred depot]

fuck'm

friend did a similar thing and had the "community council" after him

[stoic ledge]

Oeh yours has power folding mirrors

We didn't have that

Less stuff on a Peugeot to break is a good thing 😛

[fathom socket]

I guess I need to ask someone to not park in front of my car

[fathom socket]

it was that fuse it was blown, and the left mirror now folds

I find it strange it had individual fuse

[stoic ledge]

But the right mirror did fold?

Ah

Nice

[fathom socket]

it did

[stoic ledge]

Cool

Weird for them to be on a different fuse yes

Bit nice they work now

[fathom socket]

I guess I'll "downgrade" to a ford focus

[timber oar]

I enjoy my manual adjust mirrors

[fathom socket]

I don't really. Especially when you share a car with multiple people

aka Very short person and a veyr tall one

[stoic ledge]

I'm the only one driving my car so I never adjust them, but I still want power adjustment. Without just looks so cheap

Very hard to find a slightly modern car larger than the smallest stuff (Aygo etc) without power mirrors

[stoic ledge]

Shopping for something else again?

[fathom socket]

I'll keep it for at least 1 year

[stoic ledge]

Ah because you said you'll "downgrade"

Thought you were getting something new 😛

[fathom socket]

but later IDK if it's gonna be worth more to "export" that car or just buy a new one

I'm trying to get better life in Italy

[stoic ledge]

Then you can buy Fiat's

[fathom socket]

but Italian fiats are crap

at least that's someone that got fixed their italian Fiat 600 got part replaced with one manufactured in Poland

the only fiat I like it's not what I'm looking for.

[stoic ledge]

Aren't those just the same parts?

[fathom socket]

technically Italian ones are more defective

and they are somewhat different

[stoic ledge]

Had to order something for the Meriva, got the part from the US, same part with the exact same numbers but different manufacturer place, atleast compared to the original 10 years ago

[stoic ledge]

Nice

[fathom socket]

I think if I didn't have LPG installation, my focus would still run

but rebuilding the engine would cost me more than I bought my 307 for

[stoic ledge]

The type of part but with a different number but with same characteristics for the same engine but a different trim for a different area.... is hasn't failed ~1000km later now so it must be compatible 😛

[fathom socket]

and I have to rebuild the engine, otherwise the same thing will happen

[stoic ledge]

I know the 307 1.6's run wel on LPG, 2.0 I do not know

[fathom socket]

apparentyl it runs good too

some taxi driver took me to get my LPG system fixed and it had like 600k and half of thiose was with LPG apparently

The issue is with the head

[stoic ledge]

OOF

In a 307?

I'm still happy with my LPG Corsa choice, especially with the current fuel prices

Tax might have been ~€1200 more than the regular petrol version, but I've saved ~€7000 on fuel lol

This makes me sad lol

[onyx kayak]

Landwirtschaftliche Produktionsgenossenschaft

Sorry, I'm eastgerman. lol

[stoic ledge]

LOL

I love how that long sentence basically says "Farming production coorperation"

At least if my German isn't letting me down

[onyx kayak]

Yep it is

[stoic ledge]

Nice

[charred depot]

think my total costs across all 4 cars are less but my mileage is so inconsistent

not sure how much ill have spent on pez and diesel

[chilly hatch]

is it possible to replace spark plugs manually

or do you need to do mechanic

[charred depot]

bruv

[keen void]

no it's a purely automated process /s
in all seriousness, it's not hard to do yourself. They may be hard to access, depending on your car. If it's fairly recent, there's usually a mess of plastic crap and wires in the way. If it's a Subaru, the wheel wells tend to be in the way.

[chilly hatch]

ye

my parents started making me change the oil and work on the car so...

[keen void]

Just make sure not to cross thread them when you're threading the new plugs in

[keen void]

^yeah, that, too. Just assume every job on a car requires tightening bolts to a specific torque spec.

[timber oar]

You strip or crossthread a spark plug socket and make them have to buy a new cylinder head Im going to have to laugh at least a little bit

[chilly hatch]

Yeah 💀

But we are selling this car for an ev soon

[timber oar]

I mean it really isn't that hard

Just make sure you blow all the dust and crap out of the hole that the plug is in before unscrewing it

You don't want all that shit falling in the cylinders

The intake has an air filter for a reason

[chilly hatch]

lmao

pains of owning a gas car fr

esp considering these spark plugs are like 7 or 8 years needing a change

[wispy cloak]

I torque like 30% of stuff on cars

The other 70% is just the "this feels good" method

[chilly hatch]

nice

[tawny basalt]

My first gumball but not the first time its passed through my part of the world; was fun, good seeing people

[fathom socket]

https://waldusa.com/product/maserati-quattroporte-executive-line-2013-2017/ does anyone have an opinion on this?

[tropic mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EVzypRYjaP0

[fathom socket]

can someone tell me what Scania is this?

[civic spoke]

Known as a T cab.

[civic spoke]

So it's a bonneted R-series. More or less.

[bitter compass]

Wait wtf a polestar 2 is cheaper than a model 3 👀

Ye base model 3 - 50k€
Base polestar 2 - 44k€ / long range 48k 👀

[civic spoke]

100% would get the Polestar.

[bitter compass]

Hell yeah, like its better looking, it's probably better quality since its a volvo and it's not a Tesla

Is it parts or why is that?

Hmm authorized repair - literally never been to one

Also elon: gets rid of the gauge cluster because its gonna be selfdriving anyways

Where selfdriving now

xD

Id love to see it handle the small roads around here, where you need to wait in a bay if another car comes from the opposite way

Too many humans don't understand that already

I think full autonomous driving won't be a thing

It's probably nice for traffic jams, but there are many cases in which i believe it won't ever do it

[dire merlin]

oh i wouldnt mind driving a well designed hybrid

[bitter compass]

Im not too opposing to EVs but u can't get one without connecting my garage to the power

Which would cost like half of the car

[dire merlin]

evs rock in towns and are fantastic for high loads at low speeds. most ppl use their car as a glorified city transport anyway.

[bitter compass]

The only reason i prefer manuals is because im used to them and never drove an auto for a longer time

[dire merlin]

I could never get behind auto shifting up right under a hill climb. I also see little reason to use auto anyway. driver comfort is nice i guess but Manuel makes me focus on how fast I am actually going.

I have some "idgaf" switch that gets activated when driving auto.

[bitter compass]

I don't really think about speed ever, lul

Like its sp deep in my brain that i just drive

[dire merlin]

pretty much. speedometer is there just for police

[bitter compass]

And on motorway as long as Germany refuse to set a speed limit, imma drive 170 or whatever i feel like

[dire merlin]

totally fine on wide road. but the limit is supposed to be universal.

i wouldnt dare to go over 70(kph) on that

i crushed my spring once and replacing it was pain

never replaced shock so far

ah yes. australia

[autumn talon]

Thumbnail upside down?

That would make sense

[fathom socket]

maybe you're secretly from australia?

o wait

yeha

that's why

[civic spoke]

@fathom socket Btw. There is a Scania T-cab in the area around here that runs a tipper trailer.

You always knew when it started working in the morning. Because of the straight piped V8.

[fathom socket]

I think you're most likely closer to equator than me

[fathom socket]

you can do that?

[civic spoke]

I never understood while UK always used their 8x4 configuration with the twin steerable front axles.

[civic spoke]

Shhhh
Probably not.

Here we mainly just use tridem layout. 8x4*4. Single steerable front axle, but with the last axle also being steerable.

Turning circle is a lot tighter with a tridem.

I guess the weight distribution favors the normal 8x4 layout a bit. Since you're using 2x8 ton axles in the front. And can take 19 tonnes on the rear two axles.

Where as the allowable weight over the tridem is 24 tonnes. And then if you want any leeway, then you need a 9/10 tonne front axle. Which you really do want on a tridem.

[chilly hatch]

we got the spark plugs

i gotta install them now

😦

[timber oar]

Just follow my advice

Do you even have a torque wrench

[charred depot]

205 my beloved

I bought a car that wont get me points on my license, and its probably going to get me points.

[timber oar]

You mean going too fast?

[charred depot]

I was fed misinformation about these cars being too slow, they are fairly quick

its fun how rolly they are

[chilly hatch]

no...

i think im gonna get one soon tho

[timber oar]

Yeah don't overtighten plz

I don't use one on plugs but i have a hand feel for too tight

[chilly hatch]

ye

ima look up a tutorial on how to fix it for my specific car

[civic spoke]

Newer cars just don't have the same suspension travel to them.

[warped dome]

My cousin' s 205 🙂

[charred depot]

not seen one with a grille like that

has someone put a moderner peugeot badge on it for some reason

[sly lion]

2002 Ford Mondeo or nothing

[junior tundra]

I am trying to add a horn to my car. I have a extra room to add a fuse. What would I need to do this?

There are fuse taps but that seems more work than I'd like and more clutter

[chilly hatch]

lmao

i acc did it

i needed little help but still did it

now the car doesnt say check awd system when we drive above 120kmh

[tropic mulch]

Just gumball 3000 things

[chilly hatch]

is that tornonto?

thats dundas street

[tropic mulch]

ya

[chilly hatch]

nice

[fathom socket]

the worst Aston Martin ever

[tawny basalt]

Why you gotta hurt the one-77 enjoyers

[fathom socket]

it understeers like crazy

and its HEAVY.

[grizzled crypt]

Heavy photo dump

[wispy cloak]

You've driven it?

[fathom socket]

..

yes

[chilly hatch]

sick

bro we were biking and i saw this crash, some guy crashed his fricken i8

there was a fire and shi

[civic barn]

The Hoff?

[civic barn]

Ah shit shmee150 on the rally

[fathom socket]

i mean it probably handles very nice

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[dull wasp]

FIERO

[viral raptor]

Saw this the other day, dunno much about astons but was cool to see it in person

[fathom socket]

aston martin

what i would give to own a rapide tbh

[fathom socket]

i love mercedes cars

[dapper basalt]

aston martin is overpriced bot

saw a car reviewer say the same thing, a lot of power and body roll over its RWD

it's just hand-built. no parking sensors on that thing either

[fathom socket]

@wispy cloak i drove it in gran turismo 6

[wispy cloak]

That is a video game

[fathom socket]

but its realistic

[viral raptor]

Going through my gallery spotted this a while back too

Rare to see out here

[stoic ledge]

That camera is trippy lol

[carmine summit]

GMT400s with Threatening Auras

[civic spoke]

Yeet

61 gallons for $565

[brittle totem]

💸

[chilly hatch]

Beo??

Esso is 220 cents per liter rn

[wispy cloak]

Video games will never 100% capture real driving

[chilly hatch]

closest ive gotten to driving thats legal is the logiech steering wheel display in he best buy

[flat whale]

I fear no man, but that road…

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[chilly hatch]

this is the highway

in my country, its like this all the time

[flat whale]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-what-is-happening-sam-neill-remove-sunglasses-gif-15770358

[flat whale]

What the?!

[chilly hatch]

Ye hw 401

Busiest hw in the world

[flat whale]

Walking would probably be more efficient then driving ngl

[chilly hatch]

Bikiby

Cycling

[flat whale]

Yeah that to

[chilly hatch]

I can't drive so I cycle

[flat whale]

Why even have a car if you have to wait on that huge line

[flat whale]

Probably for the best

Dam that really sucks

[chilly hatch]

I'm not old enough

[dusk ocean]

Just ordered this puppy for X1 M Sport 😦

[muted horizon]

god i love those kinds of cars

[bitter compass]

That is just infrastructure and city design 👀

[stoic ledge]

Hey a BMW 7er

😛

[dusk ocean]

😛

Hotel we stayed at for a week

[stoic ledge]

Fancy

[dusk ocean]

YOLO amirite?

I was too slow - AM leaving

ZR1 back home

[fathom socket]

golf mk6 2.0 tdi 4 motion

https://tenor.com/view/lol-tyler1-gaming-drive-wild-gif-17071311

[fathom socket]

reason why my dad went so fast is to unclog the DPF

I went so fast with a door open and standing still

lmao

looks like AVG civic guy that could not afford a civic

IDK what looks better

this

or

this

also I wish all cars had headlight indicators

2nd

this so ugli

[charred depot]

pwopah

[fathom socket]

nice toy you got thereto play with

[charred depot]

was fixing it, french electrics amiright

[fathom socket]

ye

[charred depot]

copper on the ribbon thing they use to go to all the lights had corroded

[fathom socket]

getting mine fixed at mechanic, because no right tools

at least it was cold today so it didn't overheat

[chilly hatch]

bro

today it was so hot some cars wouldnt start at school

somehow their batteries were dead and tehy had to get a jumpstart

[fathom socket]

bruh

that's why I got a 2nd battery in my trunk

charging from the main battery

I just charge it when I'm driving somewhere far

[chilly hatch]

its 36 degrees

in fricken canada

the cars here aint built like that

[ancient hill]

send that shit over

[dusk ocean]

@ancient hill

[chilly hatch]

tf

[chilly hatch]

what kinda car is that

[ancient hill]

dam looks clean

[chilly hatch]

with the hood oep like thaty

fr

[ancient hill]

e30 bmw

i dd an e46 330d personally

[ancient hill]

and i got a jackstand queen mx5 lol

[ancient hill]

got a 200bhp na engine in it but building a 500whp turbo motor for it atm

dam dude, thats suck af

[dusk ocean]

thanks

😢 the one that got away

[ancient hill]

n55?

oof

[dusk ocean]

thats an M5x/s5x engine

[ancient hill]

oh i see

man thats a super sick collection

[dusk ocean]

Thanks

Daily turd

[ancient hill]

sweet wheels :p

[dusk ocean]

yah HREs w/ 14.5" brembos

[ancient hill]

i wish i had that kind of a turd for a dd tho lmao

[dusk ocean]

😛

work hard play hard

[ancient hill]

lol yah

finishing up college atm so i could get a legit job abroad

doing freelance atm but its just a meme side gig honestly

heres my money pit btw

hoping to have the turbo setup all done by next summer

should be pretty nutty with 500whp xD

[dusk ocean]

Nice, sr20m

?

[ancient hill]

nope, both the engine builds are based on the original mx5 1.8 BP motor

honestly, building it for na power is a bit dumb

but it works extremely well for boost, since it was literally built for it

mx5 1.8's are almost identical internally to the ford escort cosworth rs

honestly, idk why everyone is so hyped about the sr20, even tho the mx5 bp takes more boost both stock and forged lol

and has less issues

holds about 250-300whp stock and around 550-600whp with forged rods, pistons and crank caps

after that you need a new crank, but some mad lads have managed to squeeze 1000whp out of it lol

[dusk ocean]

Sr20 just had more reviews

Already turbo

Easy bolt on and tunes

[ancient hill]

its a more popular swap, tho there are a lot of bolt on options for the mx5 as well

will also need a trans swap since the stock trans is suffering even with the na engine lol

gonna go for a zf6 from an e46

was also considering an ls and k24 swap, but figured that its not really worth it for the money

+i wanted to try a turbo build since i only messed around with na motors

[dusk ocean]

I have about 6 zf320z

My e34 gobbles them

I want to do a zf8hp swap

[stoic ledge]

Just LS swap it

[dusk ocean]

Nope

And then you have all the tremec t56 issues

Or 6060 either way

[stoic ledge]

Ngl I have no idea

😛

A12XER swap it

[charred depot]

id like to b204 swap an MX5 or rx8 but I have enough problems with insurance companies

plus the not getting points on my license thing

average speed zone in the 205 got me paranoid as the speedo was bouncing all over the place

would have been slightly over but only 2-3mph

[flint sable]

looks like a good raptor road

[sudden fulcrum]

head gasket failure

true

[sharp brook]

that's why I love living in a country where insurance is not mandatory

[chilly hatch]

acc?

[wispy cloak]

There are first world countries that don't mandate insurance??

[timber oar]

Sounds nice

Not even being sarcastic

[wispy cloak]

I would be scared to drive too

Because if you look at states that have a lot of uninsured drivers it looks terrifying to drive

Like Texas

[civic spoke]

So if you have insurance, but the party that crashed into you doesn't.
Then you're out of luck?

Or do you just sue them for damages?

Since the other party doesn't have an insurance company to cover the bill.

I guess they will just sort out your car. And your insurance will go after the individual.

It's time to duel!

[jovial mauve]

god this is hot

[fathom socket]

Anyone can suggest me where I could buy some vinyl wrap sheets in continental Europe?

[civic spoke]

Ebay?

[chilly hatch]

hi

bro

apparantly so many cars died yesteday due to the heat there were like so many tow trucks

[civic spoke]

Bad cooling?

Or another issue with heat is batteries.

[chilly hatch]

ye the batteries

so many cars died

luckily our car didnt

bro when i left school it was 42 outside

had to take off my shirt so i wouldnt die

[civic spoke]

I know someone whose battery died in a parking garage.

[chilly hatch]

Lmao

[civic spoke]

They didn't have a good time.

[chilly hatch]

i would presume so

most cars here are built for like temps under 30 so the batteries died

[stoic ledge]

°C or °F

Battery in my parents car died once just 10 minutes apart... Parked it after driving to the doctor from work, 10 minutes later it wouldn't start, battery was a 6V

[chilly hatch]

C

we are going through a drought even thought were like 50km away from the Great lakes 💀

we store our car in the garage so its was fine

[stoic ledge]

Oof

That's a lot

[dry pine]

I cant imagine having to store a car below 0 F

I live in pa, so it gets cold in the winter, but the cars here are fine

[civic spoke]

-18 C is fiiine.

[chilly hatch]

fr

[civic spoke]

My car never had any issues starting from that temp.

[chilly hatch]

same

but hot temps do smth to the battery

our car has a 12v battery

[civic spoke]

Like every normal car.

[wispy cloak]

We experience temps from about around -10 to around 100

One year it dipped down to like -30 or something

Was a little chilly

[eager grove]

Right if I wanted to spend £12000 on a car

With at least 500L of boot space

0-60 in like 8.5 seconds or less

And Apple car play

That’s not French or a Skoda

Apple car play can be an after market system Provided that’s an option

Is there any option other than a Seat Leon estate?

[charred depot]

Saaaab 9-5

Could get like 8 for your price though :^)

[stoic ledge]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204285140894

V70 2.5T, AA can be fitted aftermarket

5-cyl

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205055390275

Ford Mondeo, idk if this specific one has ACP, and just slower than 8.5s (9s)

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203153563536

Astra 1.6T, 0-60 in 7.2s so definitely quick enough

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204305221733

Leon 1.8TSI is a valid option

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204124562644

Oeh higher mileage than the previous one but with the 2.0 EcoBoost so definitely quick enough, and quite certain it has ACP

That'd probably be my car of choice

[stoic ledge]

Ok no Sync2 does not have AA/ACP, you'll need Sync3

But you should be able to upgrade, idk what the costs are though

[eager grove]

Thanks @stoic ledge ! Volvo looks nice but its screen looks like it’s mounted too low— I think it would be distracting to use it for directions

Mondeo could be a good option though. I hate the old ford ten thousand button infotainment, but it looks like that’s gone by 2015

[stoic ledge]

V70 has a screen on top of the dashboard... Like this. Factory no AA/ACP ofc, but I do know aftermarket solutions exist to get it in to that screen

Let mee see if I can find it

[stoic ledge]

Yeah all gone, Sync3 can be retrofitted and has AA/ACP but you should look in to the costs

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114356772208

With some guy doing all the work for you, 1000 GBP according to Ebay 😛

The parts can be found for 400-600GBP with or without gps navigation

[civic spoke]

Suction cup mount.
And an iPad.

[eager grove]

I don’t want something that can get smashed and grabbed, and suction cup mounts fall off constantly

And I’m sick of using my phone

I just want to be able to use Google maps and listen to my audiobooks through the car speakers

[stoic ledge]

https://www.navinc.nl/2907

It's possible to integrate it in RTI

[eager grove]

You sure that one does? Does it retract and come out of here?

I feel like a lot of cars fulfill most of my requirements but none of them do it all

[stoic ledge]

Yup

It's a retractable screen

[eager grove]

The Golf estates are too slow (120hp) or too expensive

Arteon too expensive. Can’t get much of a Passat at that price point, though there are a couple of high mileage ones

The Touran of that gen has its screen mounted too low

[stoic ledge]

I'd rather get the Mondeo 2.0 EcoBoost tho 😛 But, it's ~500-1000GBP for a Sync 3 retrofit

Or you need to get a 2017 which is slower and/or more expensive

[eager grove]

Yeah, 3 series, c class and a4 wagons you can get as well, but the problem is they all have super integrated infotainment systems it presumably costs a fortune to retrofit

Like the Mondeo

[stoic ledge]

Mondeo is way larger than a 3er/C/A4 😛

But yeah that's with modern cars

[eager grove]

Yeah, I want a big boot but not necessarily a gigantic car—the v70 gives you enough boot that it’s worth it, and since it’s cheaper it’s presumably more economical to buy and then retrofit

[stoic ledge]

Yeah for the Volvo you can go 2 ways: create something yourself with a RPi or get a known system installed. I do know they exist for those Volvo's, but probably not cheap

But you do have a 5-cyl turbo then

Which is very noice

[charred depot]

just get a car which takes a double din unit natively or has a fascia adapter

[eager grove]

I don’t know any of those words

[charred depot]

din is a standard radio size, double din is twice that

this is a fascia

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but that's definitely older cars

[charred depot]

yeah but newer stuff has fascias to allow it

like this is a mazda 2 stock interior that fascia allows fitting of a standard kwality touchscreen unit

[stoic ledge]

Not always, many cars can loose quite a lot of functions without the factory radio

[charred depot]

shite cars

[stoic ledge]

Can't see I disagree

[eager grove]

Parking sensors is the only one I care about

[stoic ledge]

Steeringwheel controls

[eager grove]

That too

[charred depot]

adapters for them too

saab 9-5 with a double din kit all you neeed

[eager grove]

Can’t find anything that looks legit aftermarket for that Volvo

[charred depot]

should be a fascia for it

then its just a kwality double din unit varying on your willingness to spend

[stoic ledge]

I'm trying to find them but I can't atm, I'll have to ask my brother

I know it exists

[eager grove]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205266203425

This Mondeo looks reasonably good as long as the cat s repair has been done properly

[civic spoke]

I still want to get some proper bluetooth in my car.

[charred depot]

meh they cat S alot of stuff for but a scratchTM

think theres a fairly noticeable paint different to the front

[eager grove]

The main thing that annoys me about the Mondeo is the boot tho

Like it’s a gigantic car with a boot that’s really not all that big

[stoic ledge]

I like the red

[charred depot]

atleast the opening is decent

hate these newer cars with tiny boot openings

[civic spoke]

What decent options is there for adding bluetooth to an E46?

[stoic ledge]

10k + 1k for Sync3 gets you a nice car

[charred depot]

keeping the original stereo?

[stoic ledge]

GROM ?

[eager grove]

@stoic ledge this one? https://www.bluepower.se/en/product/audio-video/car-stereo/custom-players/volvo/volvo-s80v70xc70-anpassad-bilstereo-android-71.html

[stoic ledge]

Not the one I had in mind but looks cool 😛

[eager grove]

Hella expensive. Seems a bit ridiculous to spend ⅛ of a car’s value on a new infotainment

Chances are it’ll be at least £250 to install

[stoic ledge]

No the one I had in mind incorporates the screen on the top of the dash, and has a small rotary dial by the shifter to control it

[stoic ledge]

But... 5 cyl 😛

[eager grove]

And a 810L boot!

Ermmmmm @stoic ledge auto trader says £610/year in tax!! Is that right??

[stoic ledge]

Idk xD

Could be, idk how the UK system works xD

Would be more here so I guess it can be correct

https://youtu.be/BUoJeS0iBso

Also not the system I had in mind, but looks nice

[eager grove]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205105536771 rather have one of these I think

[stoic ledge]

But... 5-cyl

Very low mileage tho

But like I said, personally I'd go for the Mondeo, and retrofit AA/ACP with Sync3 for ~1k GBP

That Passat would also need a different headunit for AA/ACP

[eager grove]

Yeah it would, but it would be cheaper and easier to do

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205256094205

This one’s a bit outta price range and would still need a new head unit I think, but this I think is ideal

[stoic ledge]

Yeah wouldn't recommend that gen 1.4TSI + DSG

• needs a new headunit yes

Well equipped tho

[eager grove]

What’s wrong with the engine/gearbox?

[stoic ledge]

That's the 1.4 TSI with the timing chain issues, and the DSG with a dry clutch. Both aren't the pinnacle of reliability

Ah that's even the turbo + supercharged one as it's 160hp? That's even worse

Great drivetrain on paper, worse one for your wallet

[dusk ocean]

Perfect - finally, a use for a lamborghini

[stoic ledge]

What an horrendous bodykit

[dusk ocean]

its perfect

What are you talking about - its a tow vehicle, needs to be seen

[bitter compass]

Why do it with a lambo and not a Ferrari, because you gonna get blacklisted

[dusk ocean]

Nah - Ferrari doesn't have as high tow capacity

FS: Lightly used 3/4 Ton Lamborghini

[eager grove]

My parents had that exact set up in their golf with no issues, but worth bearing in mind. Like I said, it’s annoying, the only car that fits all my criteria, isnt ridiculously huge or expensive to tax is the Leon estate. Which is annoying because I have a Leon already (2011) hatchback and it suffers a lot from being a Golf that’s been put together badly in Spain

[stoic ledge]

1.8 TSI is better tho 😉

[eager grove]

Yeah. I’ll probs get the Leon

Would love something with nicer seats though

I’ve said this before

But in other markets you can get the 1.8TSI in a Golf Alltrack

[odd steppe]

2022

Gas cars

[eager grove]

All diesel here

Drives me crackers

[eager grove]

Can I get an EV for £12k? Sign me the fuck up

[odd steppe]

focusing on starting prices rather than running costs tho

[stoic ledge]

2011 Nissan Leaf

[tacit elm]

Gas prices 😳

[carmine summit]

if I could afford an EV with range to go on 8 hour road trips without worrying about finding charging stations, I'd buy electric

But the technology isn't developed enough for alot of the population

[eager grove]

Well, you see, starting prices are dictated by how much money I don’t have

[tacit elm]

Chevy volt is a good option for a hybrid in a place without a lot of charging options

[eager grove]

Not sold here

[tacit elm]

I love my Chevy volt

[carmine summit]

I'll never buy a GM vehicle manufactured after 1995 lol

[eager grove]

I looooove EVs

huge fan

[charred depot]

nothing over the magic number of £2k

[eager grove]

Can’t wait the ten years it’ll be before there will be a second hand one I can afford

[tacit elm]

Used crappy Prius

[stoic ledge]

I did the maths once .. based on the purchase price and depreciation, my parents Meriva would still be cheaper than a similar sized used EV if petrol reaches well over €3/liter

[eager grove]

Too slow

[stoic ledge]

[tacit elm]

Ikr

[dusk ocean]

I can't wait to use a Tesla motor for a garbage disposal

[carmine summit]

My mom recently got a Ford Fusion Hybrid

We get the same fuel economy

My car was $2500, hers was $14,000

[tacit elm]

Once tested out a Prius my relative has and the 0-60 is like a semi truck

[eager grove]

Surely that depends on the vehicles? Tesla model 3s barely depreciate here. Obviously insurance will be different

[charred depot]

whatd yu have a diesel?

[carmine summit]

Yeah, MK3 Jetta with an ALH TDI

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but I didn't look at cars costing 60k

[dusk ocean]

Considering PA just increased its electricity generation costs by 38 - 48%... EV are not affordable

[charred depot]

not super fair to compare diesel and pezzle mpg

[carmine summit]

my car is a 1997 so I'd say it's fair lol

[stoic ledge]

And I'll never ever ever purchase a Tesla

[carmine summit]

same fuel economy, but my car is cheaper to buy and cheaper to maintain

[charred depot]

my old 205 gets 54mpg : )

[odd steppe]

nothing like having your grid be powered by the very thing spiking

[carmine summit]

me either

[dusk ocean]

If only they'd leverage the oodles of natural gas in the ground

[carmine summit]

nuclear power is the way

[dusk ocean]

Agreed - but we're too stupid to do it

[odd steppe]

3MI PTSD

[carmine summit]

natural gas still creates carbon emissions, even though it's cleaner than a lot of other fossil fuels

[dusk ocean]

Pft

[charred depot]

thank the looneys that ran three mile island

I mean it sort of justifies their fear

[dusk ocean]

Compare 3MI to Centralia mine fires still going

[odd steppe]

If you wanna manage nuclear like that yeah it's justified

[carmine summit]

Grand Central Station is more radioactive on average than the Pickering nuclear plant

[charred depot]

need purely goverment run nuclear ie money sieve

[dusk ocean]

lol no

The government can't run an ice cream maker

[odd steppe]

Look at Carter, that boi went in a reactor core and he's outlived Ronald

#science

[charred depot]

they'll pour all the money into it though

[dusk ocean]

They've poured it all though

[carmine summit]

No that's mcdonalds

[stoic ledge]

They'll pour money in everything useless

[charred depot]

my friend does government miwitary contracts, we get lots of free tools 👀

[carmine summit]

McDonald's literally can't fix their own machines lmao, they have to pay the company that makes them

[dusk ocean]

US gov confuses the fed with "bottomless chips" at On the Border

"I hit 'more' and more comes out"

[stoic ledge]

Ngl, an EV charging here atm at €0.60/kWh isn't cheaper than a car on petrol

And actually more than my car on LPG

Electricity prices going *3 the last 8 months

[dusk ocean]

Yup

Nevermind the avg person in the US right now is in no position to drop $45-60k on a vehicle

[stoic ledge]

Over the kast few years, the average car age went up by over a year here

That's quite a large increase

The average car is over 11 years old here

So yeah, new EV's are out of range for most

[dusk ocean]

Anyone remember cash for clunkers in the US

[stoic ledge]

Nope

[dusk ocean]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System

[civic spoke]

The cheapest EV charging is often the one done at home.

Or at whatever mall you're visiting that has free charging.

[dusk ocean]

The US was over-paying its citizens to turn in (usually) working vehicles for credit toward new cars

[stoic ledge]

That's current house electricity prices

[eager grove]

Yeah, but the MachE and ID4 haven’t really been out long enough to make assumptions about lonrve Uk

[carmine summit]

I'd take an electric Volkswagen or Ford over a Tesla any day

[dusk ocean]

So people were dumping like... 1997 Toyota Camrys for $4500 toward a new car

like there were people turning in cars with a book value of like $4200 in for $4500

[stoic ledge]

Tesla prices are only high here atm as they're still bought as company cars due to low monthly costs for the user on 2-5 year old EV's here

[dusk ocean]

MPG/efficiency no different

And we mined more crap out of the ground to make the new cars

[stoic ledge]

Ah yeah we had something like that, but that was ~€1k? Not that much lol

[dusk ocean]

Yeah it depends on the car you were turning in

but they'd fill the engine with cement

It was the most ridiculous program ever

[eager grove]

Ford EVs are way more compelling at present then cut

[stoic ledge]

@eager grove you'll like the upcoming Peugeot e-308 SW and Astra-e ST, wagon + EV

French tho

[dusk ocean]

Last minute or very early into the program they realized they're ruining cars with like 28 mpg ratings for people to buy cars with 25 mpg ratings

Epic genius, epic government

[stoic ledge]

Best selling EV's here are the e-Niro and XC40 EV btw

[dusk ocean]

The EPA "gave no reason its ratings were inaccurate or why some went up"

I hate our government so much

A disabled and marked "Cash for Clunker" Toyota Previa trade-in
"Death Row" of traded in SUVS and trucks under Cash for Clunkers
Dodge Caravan turned in for Cash for Clunkers (note paper placard on dash)

To ensure that vehicles traded-in under "cash for clunkers" will not be resold by dealers, the program outlines a procedure for destructively disabling the engine (and thus also precluding the possibility that any mechanical engine components might be salvaged to be used in the repair of any other vehicles): the motor oil is drained and replaced with a sodium silicate solution, then the engine is started and run until the solution, becoming glass-like when heated, causes engine internal bearings to abrade and ultimately seize.```

So we paid mechanics to drain oil in bulk, fill it with sodium silicate, ruin completely fine engines, and then .... PRESUMABLY they were melted down but I'd love to see those statistics

[stoic ledge]

Yikes

[chilly hatch]

Hi

[stoic ledge]

Hi

[chilly hatch]

L

[stoic ledge]

They just made the VIN invalid here

[chilly hatch]

Today was 45 c it's so hot bruh

Luckily no one's engine wasn't working

[dusk ocean]

They did not want the engine being salvaged

Honestly its insane

[chilly hatch]

Snail what's ur car

[odd steppe]

"let's trash old cars to induce demand, surely that won't have long terms repercussions"

[dusk ocean]

Which? 🥳

[stoic ledge]

Ah uhm, no I think they were able to use parts to fix other cars

[chilly hatch]

Frixk u have more than one

What are all of them

[dusk ocean]

Exactly - also, similar to EV battery creation, yeah, there are costs to doing this

[chilly hatch]

Evs are good

Gas is good just bad for environmental

[dusk ocean]

2018 F80 M3, 2016 F30 330i, 2015 X1 35i, 1992 525 (big turbo), 1995 BMW 530i/540i 6 spd swap, 87 325 w/ '95 M3 swap

[stoic ledge]

EV's will be the future, no doubt. But the process will take time, it's impossible/wrong to force people towards them

[stoic ledge]

None of those can beat my 83hp 1.2 beast

😛

[dusk ocean]

What kills me is the politicians pushing the agenda... one of the lead democrats 82 year old husband just got a DUI in a.... 2021 Porsche

[stoic ledge]

Classic

[dusk ocean]

Borrowed this while my car was in for service

Such a hideous car, such a beautiful exhaust note

[stoic ledge]

I don't dislike the look

[dusk ocean]

rearend makes me sad

[stoic ledge]

Look at a coupe SUV, and you'll be happy again

[dusk ocean]

no

[stoic ledge]

With the GT 4d*

[dusk ocean]

part of my fleet lol

[stoic ledge]

Dayum is that a Honda Civic in the background

😛 😛

[dusk ocean]

LOL god damnit

[stoic ledge]

Jk, looking good

[dusk ocean]

I've got to get to work on this thing

[stoic ledge]

Oh god those US bumpers

[dusk ocean]

👀

[stoic ledge]

https://c.tenor.com/jY5lOohJrK8AAAAM/steve-carell-nooo.gif

[dusk ocean]

Yup - I got plastic conversion

[stoic ledge]

Other than that, nice vehicle

[dusk ocean]

its got an S50US in it

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/QU9vHB8XKuQ

[dusk ocean]

LOL

What the what

I had an S90 for like 2 months the thing was terrible

Literally, I think I had it for 48 days

[stoic ledge]

🅱️olvo

I like them

[dusk ocean]

I used to like Volvo

[stoic ledge]

Pls gib

As wagon ofc

[civic spoke]

What didn't you like about the Volvo?

Wagon or bust.

[stoic ledge]

Probably the 4-cyl aspect

[dusk ocean]

I could not get down with the engine

I thought I could, but I couldn't

[civic spoke]

Hah. MK Called it.

[dusk ocean]

So much noise coming from it, so little oomph

[civic spoke]

And yeah, I can get that. I really don't like many of the 4 cylinders these days. Especially not the diesels.

[dusk ocean]

I didn't think the stereo was anything exceptional but I am spoiled with BMW and HK packagaes

[stoic ledge]

Coming from 83hp it's probably enough

[dusk ocean]

The BMW N20/N26 is tolerable

[stoic ledge]

Volvo also has H/K no?

[dusk ocean]

the volve was just.... it sounded like the left the valve cover off

[civic spoke]

Another problem is also that the same engine is found in EVERY Volvo.

[stoic ledge]

Volvo VEA diesel is nice tho

[dusk ocean]

My father in law has that XC60

with the better engine

T5?

T6?

I duno - the better of them

[stoic ledge]

If it's the new one, it's all the same base V60 engine

[dusk ocean]

Its a like 2018 or so

[civic spoke]

It's still the 2.0 4 cylinder. Like all of them.

[stoic ledge]

Just different turbo/supercharger/EV combination

[dusk ocean]

This one

[stoic ledge]

Nice

Pls gib

[dusk ocean]

My wife had this when we married

5 cyl NA

sounded broken at all times

it ended up having TERRIBLE blow-by around 120k miles and I got her into the X1 35i

[stoic ledge]

[dusk ocean]

"I want a cute SUV"

So I found her an M Sport with 3.0L twin turbskis

[stoic ledge]

Didn't know they made those as a 35i

[dusk ocean]

Oh yes

Very rare

[stoic ledge]

28i was the max here iirc

[dusk ocean]

It was like 300 hp stock so I flashed it lol

[stoic ledge]

Maybe some USDM version

Meanwhile 95% here was a 18i sDrive

[dusk ocean]

I don't even understand sDrive

like why do that

[stoic ledge]

Or 18d

[dusk ocean]

and sorry, I keep thinking it has N54, its N55 engine

[stoic ledge]

Because xDrive is pointless here

[dusk ocean]

single turboski

yeah but why make an X1 in sDrive at all

just buy a 1

[stoic ledge]

TwinPower probably

[stoic ledge]

But... SUV

[dusk ocean]

but barely

[stoic ledge]

~ every school run person

Must buy SUV for speed bump

[dusk ocean]

i wnat to lower hers

she just hit 70k miles 😦

[stoic ledge]

[dusk ocean]

I really want to find a CPO X3m

[stoic ledge]

I bought... A 118i

FWD

1.5T I3

7spd DCT

[dusk ocean]

The mini cooper platform thing?

[stoic ledge]

Sold it within 2hrs

Yup

😎

[dusk ocean]

ew

yeah we wont do that ... wtf its called

the shared platform

[stoic ledge]

Bought it to flip

xD

[dusk ocean]

X2/X1 (E48 or whatever)

[stoic ledge]

2012 Opel Corsa > 2020 BMW 1er

😎

[dusk ocean]

Opel that's like... a jewel right

😛

[timber oar]

Thats like a jewel he says xD

[stoic ledge]

Yeah platform used by the Mini Mini, Clubman, Countryman, X1, X2, 1er, 2er GC, 2er AT

[dusk ocean]

I had an E38 740il - I want a big af car again

[stoic ledge]

Ngl I fit better in the Corsa than the BMW

Imagine how shite the BMW is

Ngl the car drove great for a FWD platform, 1.5T I3 did it's job fine, tech was nice

[dusk ocean]

Cannot stand FWD

[stoic ledge]

But I was literally sitting against the door

It's hard to get any reasonable modern RWD car without spending a crazy amount

[dusk ocean]

My F30 is RWD believe it or not

[stoic ledge]

Or you get a 316i with 200m miles

[dusk ocean]

which is not common for those

Most are xDrive

[tidal saffron]

what car is this @everyone

[stoic ledge]

Most F30 3ers are RWD here, xDrive rare option

But that's as most are 318-320i or d

[dusk ocean]

yeah stripper models

in the US even 320i are xDrive

This car I bought is weird it has pretty much every option...... sDrive

But I appreciate it because I love how RWD feels

[stoic ledge]

Bugatti Type 57, and no @ ever y one pls (also doesn't work)

[tidal saffron]

ayo correct man

[stoic ledge]

My brother had an E91 318i basically full options except the alarm system, so it got stolen

[dusk ocean]

lol

[stoic ledge]

🥲

RWD btw

M-Sport in Alpinweiß

[dusk ocean]

Nice

black sapphire for life tho

[stoic ledge]

Well used cars so not much choice

My 118i was black

But not sapphire black

[tidal saffron]

damn you guys are rich having bmw's

[stoic ledge]

No I sold it

Opel ftw

😛

[dusk ocean]

blech

[stoic ledge]

Maybe if I could actually fit in it I would've kept it

So this was the lovely 118i

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375461451403624471/975889009165352990/IMG_20210409_120700.jpg

Smaller than a Corsa inside

Atleast for the driver

We shall see how long I keep it... wouldn't mind something faster or newer but with current petrol prices, running on LPG for 1/3 the cost vs petrol it's tempting to keep it. Or I must receive a company car, than I'll sell it

This was the E91 318i M-Sport in Alpinweiß btw @dusk ocean 🙃

[dusk ocean]

Nice i like touringsd

[stoic ledge]

Yes Touring über alles

Or wagons in General

Still registered as stolen 😢

[chilly hatch]

omfg

so many bmw's

i prefer mercedes but bmw is sick

[chilly hatch]

LMAO WHy

[stoic ledge]

Because they never found it

It's either driving around in Eastern Europe... or chopped to pieces

[haughty ridge]

prolly the first one

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[stoic ledge]

Probably the latter as it was fully loaded, so worth more in parts

[stoic ledge]

Ngl I think the latter

But we'll never know

[chilly hatch]

or sent to west africa

some of these cars get sent to aftica

[stoic ledge]

No it won't survive there, it's still a BMW

[haughty ridge]

That car is a bit too expensive to send it over there. I thought most of our junkers were send over there

[chilly hatch]

nah nah trust me once someone gets a car and its going to west africa it aint comin back, even if tis a bmw

[stoic ledge]

Eastern Europe is more likely imho

[chilly hatch]

idk man

ur call but we dont knwo

[stoic ledge]

We live close to the German border... once it crossed there it's smooth sailing to Eastern Europe

[chilly hatch]

i wanna go on auto ban one day

[stoic ledge]

Always fun to get tailgated by Fiat 500's on zhe autobahn

[chilly hatch]

damn

[stoic ledge]

Or when you're overtaking at 180km/h and BMW's approach with flashing light, like bruh where do you think I should go, just vanish?

[chilly hatch]

overtaking at 180kmh 💀

holy...'

[stoic ledge]

In this

With a 1.2

😎

Who needs big engines

[dusk ocean]

We all do

[stoic ledge]

😢

[chilly hatch]

i didnt even know a hatchback like that can go fas

[stoic ledge]

Just depends on how brave you are

😛

180km/h is the limit for this car tho

But that's fine

Also takes quite some time to get it up to 180... after 170km/h it goes up very slowly

And as soon as you go slightly uphill, it's over

😛

[chilly hatch]

bc of like speed limiter?

or just the engine itsefl

[stoic ledge]

No limiter, that's just how fast 83hp can get you

[chilly hatch]

83hp 💀

damm