cars

[bitter compass]

I wished i still had that car :(

Stupid insurance

[stoic ledge]

Uhm the 1.9 TDI in that gen isn't amazing

[bitter compass]

Was 2.0 TDI

[stoic ledge]

That's... better yes

[bitter compass]

2008 one

[stoic ledge]

The dieselgate TDI

2.0 TDI in 2008 👀 Not the dieselgate TDI then?

[bitter compass]

I think that might be the generation before

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's the earlier gen

110hp? Atleast I think it was

Not quite sure

[bitter compass]

Uhh

[stoic ledge]

Or 69hp?

[bitter compass]

I dont remember

[stoic ledge]

No 69hp is the SDI

I think

Might've also been 140hp

[bitter compass]

2.0 TDI should have been like 140?!

[stoic ledge]

Yeah think so

[bitter compass]

I remember the top speed of 186 👀

Because of that stupid sticker

[stoic ledge]

Later when the 1.9TDI was gone there were also lower spec 2.0 TDI

Even down to like 75hp

But moste Caddy's from that time had the 1.9TDI (~105hp), atleast here. And those weren't so good. 140hp 2.0TDI was better

SDI was extremely slow

[bitter compass]

That car had more features than my up 👀

[stoic ledge]

[bitter compass]

Then again 2008 vs 2011 which isnt as far apart

[stoic ledge]

You think an up/my Corsa is slow? Ha, SDI 0-100km/h 20.5s

Top speed: 142km/h

Max torque: 140Nm

[bitter compass]

Up is surprisingly fast

If we had a speed limit you wouldn't have issues passing someone on the motorway

But it kinda lacks around the 150+ kmh mark

[stoic ledge]

Never hard, just gotta keep momentum 😉

[bitter compass]

With enough distance of straight road you might even hit like 170-175

But the 3 cyl is gonna shout at you

[charred depot]

for a mordern car I think 150kmh+ is to be a given

[bitter compass]

Well its a 1 ton minifridge with 60hp

Which is funnily more fun to drive than the 115 hp minifridge they sell

[charred depot]

we were over 150kmh in my friends 70's cortina with a old 1.6 pinto

engine had it, gearbox didnt

Supposedly might have 80hp x to doubt, but also the literal aerodynamics of a fridge

[rose thistle]

Subaru moment

Idle air valve is smoked because my Subaru burns oil because Subaru and it was driven by an old man for years

I cleaned it too but the drive screw seems to be stripped so it blew apart

[fathom socket]

ok

[jovial mauve]

friends parents bought the Dacia EV

F

[stoic ledge]

Dacia Spring

Hope they bought it before the government grant fund was empty

[bitter compass]

Good news the new dacia sandero spring

[stoic ledge]

My cousin used the government grant for... An MG Marvel R

Wouldn't have been my first choice

[jovial mauve]

or 2nd

or 3rd

or 4th

😛

[stoic ledge]

😛

Well if you want a family EV <45k because of the grant there's not much choice

Marvel R is like 44995

[jovial mauve]

Have you seen the merc that got sold?

135 million buddy

https://www.nu.nl/auto/6202373/de-duurste-auto-ter-wereld-is-nu-een-mercedes-van-135-miljoen-euro.html

what a stunning car like hot dayum

[stoic ledge]

Didn't see it

[jovial mauve]

i really like the looks of the car

[bitter compass]

MG is such a weird brand, like you don't see them, you dont hear of them

But it exists

[stoic ledge]

Definitely a beautiful car but 135M dayum xD

[jovial mauve]

1/2

[stoic ledge]

They're doing alright here... This year has been a bit slow but previous b2 years they were alright

2020 the ZS EV had a market share of 0.61%, more than for example a Toyota RAV4, Seat Leon, Skoda Karoq, Renault Zoe....

#51 selling car (out of 316)

[bitter compass]

👀

How is the zoe so low or is that for all of Europe?

[jovial mauve]

bc its ass

[bitter compass]

Its #29 in Germany 👀

[jovial mauve]

F

[bitter compass]

I mean it kinda gets kicked in the butt by the up and model 3

Just eup sales being at like #17 and model 3 at #12

There are 4 wagons in top ten in Germany + a couple of golfs 👀

Only two crossovers

Screw you all with crossovers are more popular 👀

[stoic ledge]

No that was specifically NL

Dutch top 10 is kinda sad 😛

Ok this year it's still the XC40

Most surprising to me is the Lynk & Co

Although it makes sense as it's basically an XC40 T5 PHEV underneath but cheaper, I see them quite regularly

This was 2021

And 2020

Very sad to see the Model 3 dropping tho

😛

Seems like nobody wants it anymore

But tbh, atm it's more like whoever can fabricate the most cars sells the most cars, basically everything is sold out

[stoic ledge]

Ngl, this year the Yaris Cross is also quite surprising to me, as it's quite expensive for what it is

[bitter compass]

Man i like that tesla stat in 2018 i wish we could have that many teslas like we had back then

[stoic ledge]

If you compare a Hyrbid Yaris Cross Active with a Hybrid Corolla Active, the Corolla gets you an additional:

• 19cm length
• 2.5cm width
• 8cm wheelbase
• Dual zone climate control
• Keyless start
• Lights in the visor xD
• 2x reading lights
• Adjustable arm rest (vs fixed one)
• Backup camera
• 6 speakers vs 4
• 1.8L Hybrid vs 1.5L Hybrid

Why go for the Yaris lol

[stoic ledge]

xD Yup 😛

2019 a market share of 6.65%, so basically 1 of every 15 cars was a Model 3 🤮

[bitter compass]

Toyota didnt do well in Germany last year

Not one model in top 30

Behind fiat and hyundai and renault in brands

[stoic ledge]

Uhm Toyota was the #3 brand here in 2021

For some reason VW still was #1 with just the Polo in the top 10 🤔

Also, the facelifted Polo is hideous

[civic spoke]

Mini mini

[stoic ledge]

Yeah a regular Mini but even more Mini

xD

[civic spoke]

Mini micro.

Mini Type C

[bitter compass]

Yeah vw in Germany is still outselling everyone by double the amount while making crap new models

[stoic ledge]

Yeah no the runner up was just 88 cars behind

😛

[bitter compass]

Vag in general being 4 brands in top 10

[stoic ledge]

But VW is the brand who like registeres 9000 cars on the last day of the year so they can just be on the top of the list lol

[bitter compass]

A lot of vw in Germany is also just people don't care they buy vw because they always bought vw

[stoic ledge]

My sister in laws T-Cross was also registered on 30-12-2021 while she only got it a few weeks ago, has been sitting in stock that entire time but they just do that to fudge the numbers

[bitter compass]

Like my grandfather had golfs, my dad had golf so im gonna buy golfs as well - thats like the attitude here

[stoic ledge]

ID.3 in 2020 they did the same, not joking they had 3000 cars "in stock" just registered even though they weren't even in the country

Get's you stuff like this

At my brothers work place, they also got a few ID.3's, had been sitting in stock for over 8 months

Got a great discount on them

Can you imagine that, in 2021 a large discount on an EV?

[bitter compass]

Well vw is slowly failing - sadly they wont get a huge punch that they wake up

[stoic ledge]

Stellantis will take over

Or the Korean's/Japanese

Probably the latter

Kia is taking over in NL xD

[bitter compass]

I put my bet on Hyundai

[stoic ledge]

Kia sold twice as much in NL than Hyundai last year

[bitter compass]

Ford needs to wake up as well 👀

[stoic ledge]

So my money is on Kia

The Niro is selling like hot cakes

And now there's a new one

EV6 is outselling the Ioniq 5 but that's probably just a supply constraint

[bitter compass]

Imma say Peugeot makes up a couple of places, seat probably will fall (i believe seat is gonna die and they keep cupra around, thats just my feeling)

[stoic ledge]

Yeah like I said, sell Seat to Stellantis and rebadge some Fiat's

Like the olden days

[bitter compass]

Hyundai kia being with tesla the only bramd that sold more than before last year

Nvm opel made +10%

Stellantis doing work

[stoic ledge]

Kia, Toyota and Skoda were the only ones going up last year

Opel dropped slightly here but they barely sold any Astra's so that makes sense (anticipating the new model, supply constraints?)

[bitter compass]

Shortage makes looking at those kinda irrelevant but if a brand increased it kinda shows the strengths

Or if the decrease is massive like ford woth -36%

[stoic ledge]

Also, best to look at market share vs hard numbers? As 2021 had way less sales so less car might still being a higher market share -> doing alright

Ford dropped 1000 cars but increased market share from 5.43% to 5.78%

[fathom socket]

I drive volvo now

[stoic ledge]

Nice

[civic spoke]

FM?

[fathom socket]

Fh

[civic spoke]

Nice.

[bitter compass]

The most obvious thing you see in changes of market share: ford wake up, stellantis doing wonders for opel, Hyundai and kia catching the germans while kicking the other Europeans

[civic spoke]

The fancy stuff

[fathom socket]

So many buttons

The dafs I drive before didn't have that many

[stoic ledge]

VW doing -25% while having new dedicated EV's and NL having a 20+% EV new car market share is saying something

[civic spoke]

I really like the newer Volvo's. Such a great place to work in.

[bitter compass]

Vw best selling ev by far being a 9 year old model says a lot

[stoic ledge]

e-up? xD

[civic spoke]

Because cheap.

[bitter compass]

Meh overpriced

[stoic ledge]

Didn't VW just make exactly enough of those to meet the company CO2 limits?

[bitter compass]

Vw and co2 limits xD

Vw are the kings of greenwashing

[stoic ledge]

Well otherwise they get fined xD

I thought that was the only reason it was still around, and available in limited numbers

[bitter compass]

VW won't get a painful fine even if they completely mess up because german government loves their little baby - i mean just look how they got away with dieselgate in Germany

[stoic ledge]

Very true but isn't that on a European level?

Although Germany also has quite a say in that iirc

[bitter compass]

Germany being the biggest country in the eu might help them

[stoic ledge]

Idk exactly, not really following all the politics

Iirc the EU car group also had to debat about PSA and FCA fuse, worrying Stellantis would get too big

VAG being worried probably

[bitter compass]

Dieselgate is a good example how much impact Germany has on a Eu level if their 3 babies are hurt

Nobody should hurt daimler bmw group or vag

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

VAG UBER ALLES

[bitter compass]

Probably should replace that in the first verse of the national anthem - which isnt used but it is true

[stoic ledge]

LOL

Yes

[jovial mauve]

xD

[stoic ledge]

Also, just look at Eastern European van drivers driving throughout entire Europe. Almost all of them drive Fiat Ducato/Peugeot Boxer/Citroen Jumper's, some Renault Masters, but none in VW or Mercedes van's 😛

Those are fun for your local contractor, but for driving trough the continent you need something you can rely on xD

[jovial mauve]

i mean

alot of trucks are mercedes tho

LOL

what

[stoic ledge]

Kek censored

[bitter compass]

Proper trucks and buses are they fine i think

[jovial mauve]

anyway we get alot of trucks here from all over EU 80% is merc

[bitter compass]

Man and merc are doing alright

Vw commercial I don't see a future as well

[stoic ledge]

Truck drivers/companies are quite conservative, if they bought brand X decades ago they will still drive brand X later. Especially if they have proper service available which satisfied them

[jovial mauve]

but it is also RNG right

i have had vag's never any issues, merc same no issue

some folks buy a golf

[civic spoke]

@fathom socket So few buttons. :c

[jovial mauve]

issues for dayzzzzzzzzz

[bitter compass]

My dad complains about the unreliable Japanese trucks he has to care about because they were cheaper than mercs - he now has a pickup for a while because not enough trucks are working

Thats how the loyality to merc etc is formed

[stoic ledge]

This was 2016 apparently, Europe wide?

DAF apparently increased to 17%?

So quite an even spread

[stoic ledge]

Tell him the X-Class is a Nissan

😛

[civic spoke]

It's just a Navara

[stoic ledge]

Exactly

[bitter compass]

27% vag, 21% daimler oof

[stoic ledge]

Do MAN and Scania even share stuff?

(Ngl idk that much about trucks)

[bitter compass]

Idk

[stoic ledge]

DAF is market leader in NL (28.5%), makes sense as a Dutch manufacturer

Also UK (29.4%), Poland (24.3%), Hungary (24.8%), Bulgaria (23.8%) and Portugal (19%) it's the #1 brand

[bitter compass]

I wonder how they are doing in bus market share

Man kinda getting kicked in the butt

In their hometown

By some random electric bus company

[stoic ledge]

Oh yeah that's shitty here too, they ordered BYD busses instead of Dutch VDL busses in some area's of the country

[bitter compass]

I hate electric busses btw

[stoic ledge]

Oh no I think the electric busses are awesome

[bitter compass]

Like come on we already have power for tram line all over the city just use trolley vusses

Less battery 👀

[stoic ledge]

We have a lot of electric VDL's in the area, very large improvement over the diesel busses in both noise, acceleration and pollution

Ah yeah no 0 tram lines here

😛

[bitter compass]

I just don't like the fact that in a city that's already filled with cables from trams they refuse to add more for the busses to reduce the size of batteries

[stoic ledge]

Yeah for use cases like that a trolleybus is great

[jovial mauve]

i want a separate audi lane

[stoic ledge]

It's the shoulder

[jovial mauve]

wdym? 😛

[stoic ledge]

https://www.dumpert.nl/item/7909979_5c637cec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIn49sVbuzw

Classic Audi drivers

xD

[umbral tusk]

Audi. 5 Zeros. Four at the front one behind the wheel.

..works better in swedish..

[jovial mauve]

Haha

Mk

I had a teamvluchtstrook sticker on my golf

I was edgy like thay

😪

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

Im debating

Should i add a ducktail to my car

[stoic ledge]

No

[jovial mauve]

😅

We are not talking huge one

This maybe

[stoic ledge]

The answer is still no

😛

[jovial mauve]

The gods have spoken

[stoic ledge]

😎

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

https://c.tenor.com/eiTS1WZVdRkAAAAM/subaru-fail.gif

[wheat hatch]

[lone fern]

lmaoo

[chilly hatch]

LMFAO

the funniest thing happned

i was coming to school

and this guy

cuts us off and puts up his middle finger LMFAOOOOO

idfk why i think we were driviing too slow

[stoic ledge]

Is that the funniest thing

😛

[chilly hatch]

trust me it rlly was 💀 💀

[stoic ledge]

[soft plank]

That’s about a daily thing where I’m from lol

[chilly hatch]

is it usa?

[soft plank]

Ye

[wispy cloak]

I saw another funny thing this morning

[chilly hatch]

💀

[stoic ledge]

[lone fern]

bruh tfff

[fossil imp]

literally moving house

[stoic ledge]

"You know where the door is"
Well not anymore

[charred depot]

someone saw my saab left parked up in the compound and wanted to buy it

if only they knew. if only

its the nice alloys and tyres which give people the false impression its a well kept car

[stoic ledge]

[raven sand]

someone sent this to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sXPNVpQe98

[chrome haven]

.....

Excuse me while a hunt someone down and teach them about decent cars

[flint sable]

NO

NO

DOUG BAD

[fathom socket]

vroom vroom

[wispy cloak]

Trying to do trailer lights and I was attacked

[knotty ore]

Return fire.

[dire merlin]

it is armed tho.

[crisp cedar]

So I’m looking at buying this it’s 5k with no motor what do you guys think?

[junior tundra]

I have a Hyundai Veloster and I was trying to have interior/exterior lights toggled by a twitch on the interior. Can I use one of the places where there is not a feature and add button to it?

Talking about top right or bottom left but can't be pushed in at the moment. Other two can. I have only been able to find parts for the entire piece which are $75. Other buttons work fine and wanted to knock out one of the other two not working

[timber oar]

You would have to find the buttons they would have used there

Like the actual switch that would be behind that outer button plate

Its probably a whole different assembly that would have all 4 buttons

[junior tundra]

Yeah. This is what I found. This one being exactly mine and other ones being within a dollar for the buttons with other features. Was trying to see if there was another option instead of buying the entire assembly

[timber oar]

Pffft

You think they want to collect less money from you?

You might be able to find just the button cluster complete on eBay

I don't know how easily it separates from the rest of the housing

[chilly hatch]

bruh

that car aint good

[timber oar]

I always see those on the road and cringe

[bitter compass]

May someone explain to me in which universe this is a small car

[charred depot]

the best engine in the world for £75

[tropic mulch]

this table is holding up a lot of cool

[charred depot]

"parking in gear is for the paranoid"

[chilly hatch]

tf

[chilly hatch]

LMAOO

[chilly hatch]

bruh thats such a fat car

just get a minivan, more confort

[wispy cloak]

Does it have a trans?

[wispy cloak]

How is it that cheap for shipping

[wispy cloak]

Kia souls are pretty dang small

[elder pasture]

oh god.

Fortunately it's a passive thing but, damn.

[wispy cloak]

This is why I don't like Hyundai

[elder pasture]

I think it's a part supplier thing.

Because last October it also happened on 987 Hyundai AND Genesis cars too.

[wispy cloak]

But this isn't the first major problem they've had

[crisp cedar]

Yip

[wispy cloak]

And if major problems keep happening

[elder pasture]

Haven't heard crazy things like these from Kias though.

.. I think I'm about to be proven wrong though-

But these things only happens when you get into an accident, so-

At least it's not an active feature flaw.

[wispy cloak]

There was also the massive amounts of Hyundai engines that had to be replaced

That was an active flaw

[chilly hatch]

bruh

were getting an ev in the summer 🙂

prolly tesla model y :)))

7 seater

[flint sable]

pretty cool

[dusk ocean]

Was a far pic, but this Cayenne had knobby A/T tires 🤣

[flint sable]

looks good tbh

best 1st gen cayenne is that custom rothmans one

this was on facebook marketplace for 16 grand once i thinl

different one

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-porsche-cayenne-s-5/

[vocal mural]

@jovial mauve

Old VAG ad from 1982

[jovial mauve]

thats pretty good

[stoic ledge]

Lada-Zastava

[chilly hatch]

nice

[stoic ledge]

At the Lada-Zastava location is now a John Deere dealership, still carrying the same name

[flat whale]

Cheese

[vocal mural]

Renault 14 TL

[weak wind]

i am speed

[stoic ledge]

met gas

[fathom socket]

@stoic ledge turns out I was wrong. It wasn't LPG that costed that much, it was CNG

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes CNG went 🚀

[fathom socket]

What even is LNG?

I've only seen one gas station with it in Poland

[bitter compass]

Liquid natural gas

Cng being compressed natural gas

[chilly hatch]

my science teacher went on a ramble his outlander phev is better than rav4 prime because of the engine... like bro the reason why u buy those is the motor 💀

[vocal mural]

LNG is for lorries

[fathom socket]

K

[dense shard]

There's nothing good about the outlander

That's why it's a rebadged Nissan now

[deep zealot]

From a BMW owner, by a BMW owner

[fathom socket]

Best Motor Worldwide

[dense shard]

Till the valve guides start leaking oil.

[viscid atlas]

Bruh motor works

[timber oar]

And the drivers always seem to suck too 😂

[vocal mural]

Bier Mit Wurst

[fathom socket]

Having electrical issues on the side of the road

With my 307

[civic spoke]

Have you tried not owning a 307?

[stoic ledge]

It seams like his specific 307 seems to be a problem 🤔

[autumn talon]

Whatcha drive?

[jovial mauve]

328i i believe

[stoic ledge]

F30 328i xDrive yes

[deep zealot]

As the above said, F30 328i xDrive

[autumn talon]

Oh dang, much newer than what I’ve got

[lone fern]

so my truck got this light test mode and i drive a 2wd truck

today i learned that i have a 4wd high and low light despite not having that

i didn’t think they’d put the lights in it but ig it was cheaper that way

[stoic ledge]

Creating 1 unit with everything in place and just not using the other bulbs is cheaper than creating a different unit for every trim/spec :)

[lone fern]

yea i figured

but i also thought it was weird bc there’s only a few models without a tach for my truck and most don’t have 4wd

that is, of the ones without a tach

[stoic ledge]

Maybe there was still a work-truck spec 4WD model without tachometer

[fathom socket]

Yes.

Sadly it want worse

[fathom socket]

I have the prelift one.

The one notorious for having electrical issues. Yurs out the harness came undone.

Also it seems my car overheats when ac is on

[stoic ledge]

Yes, but that's mainly related to the COM2000. Everything else isn't serious on those cars

It just seems like your specific one had some issues, probably thanks to the vague history 😛

Which harness came undone?

[lone fern]

maybe 🤷‍♂️

[fathom socket]

Everything from the radie and climate control.

Well, the radio is broken anyways and need a better one

[fathom socket]

,also right turn signal does not work at all. I have to blink it manually by tapping it.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so the stalk is typical COM2000

But the rest is odd

HVAC, only "common" problem is the blower fan, but that's the same with basically any car: the resistor controlling the fan speed might go, which basically keeps the off and full blast position

Radio... idk

[fathom socket]

Radio is some aftermarket 20 euro crap

Stock one does not have aux cord or even receiver radio signal

[stoic ledge]

oof

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[stoic ledge]

Uuuhm is Kr like 10 SEK or something? Otherwise that says like 0.10€/l (even 1€/L is nothing)

[civic spoke]

10 kr is basically €1.

I think the pump glitched. Idk

[vocal mural]

That is my fuel tank

I just bought a moped

[lone fern]

mopeds are dope

i’m looking for one bc i cannot afford filling up my 27 gal tank every week and a half

[stoic ledge]

Ah ok so as I expected. But uhm, nice that the pump glitched, very cheap

Must've been busy at that specific gas station

[lone fern]

pump glitches are amazing

problem is they happen less with the digital ones which is what most in the us are

[vocal mural]

45 min moped ride to cheap German petrol station

[lone fern]

basically just gotta hope someone fat fingers a decimal and makes the gas .460 usd per gallon

[civic spoke]

This is what it usually costs me to fill up my personal car.

More or less €120-130 for a tank.

[fathom socket]

like anyone in Italy uses them

and the CNG dropped from like 2.63 to 1.63 eur

[stoic ledge]

Oh really? Damn. Maybe some government compensation?

[fathom socket]

IDK

I came to Italy and I saw it at that price

[stoic ledge]

CNG in Belgium is still like 2.90

[fathom socket]

now I came back and the same gas station had it for 1.63

[stoic ledge]

NL 1.90-2.30 depending on where you go

[fathom socket]

who would even buy that?

[stoic ledge]

(not sure how up to date those prices are)

[stoic ledge]

CNG cars in Belgium are 9/10 company cars so ... The company

😛

[fathom socket]

but only run CNG?

[stoic ledge]

Factory CNG cars have a very small petrol tank

Like 10-15L

[fathom socket]

that's smol

[stoic ledge]

Exactly

[fathom socket]

LPG is cheap here

didn't really go up that much here, but in poland it like doubled in price

[stoic ledge]

Petrol is going up, LPG is going down 😂

My usual fuel station has LPG atm for 0.718 but is advertising a price of 0.669 for tomorrow

[fathom socket]

so LPG when I got my car costed on AVG 1.82 PLN and now it costs 3.56 pln

so like 80 euro cents?

[stoic ledge]

80 cents? Literally more than here

Lol

Well Belgium

[fathom socket]

and petrol costed like 1 euro when pandemic started

[stoic ledge]

Ngl I've had prices down to 23.9c/l... Usually tho ~32c would be the lowest, and during winter periods ~50-54c maximum

[fathom socket]

and now it costs 1.60 eur

[stoic ledge]

So we're now returning to that in the sommer lol

Summer LPG is cheaper than winter LPG

[fathom socket]

I'm still thinking if I should put LPG system in my 307

If I resolve the heat transfer capacity issue

[stoic ledge]

Idk how much an install is in Poland

[fathom socket]

around 600 euros

half as much as my car is worth

[nova notch]

who said europe?

[stoic ledge]

Not too bad, ngl

Most installs here are 1700-2000 eur

[lone fern]

i wish i had access to lpg

best we got here is e85 (liquid corn basically) which sucks as a fuel bc it doesn’t make sense to buy

[wispy cloak]

E85 is great for racing

[stoic ledge]

Isn't E85 like dirt cheap in the US?

[lone fern]

it’s cheap, but you pay the same price in the long run bc it has less energy and you gotta burn more

i don’t see e85 a ton around me

which is weird bc I live in the midwest, which has a lot of corn

[chilly hatch]

bro we had to refill and it cost us 210 for 87 octane wtf...

[civic spoke]

210 cents per gallon?
$210 in total?

Tells me little to nothing. Without further context.

[stoic ledge]

@chilly hatch enlighten us

[chilly hatch]

bruh 210 dollars

but omfg wtf

[stoic ledge]

But CAD right?

[chilly hatch]

ye

thats like 120 more than usual

[stoic ledge]

How many liters

[civic spoke]

How much, though? Did you tank up a semi? Moped? Car?

[chilly hatch]

we tanked up an suv

i think the fuel capcityu is 70 L

maybe 60 i dont rmeember

[stoic ledge]

210 CAD = 150 EUR, must be a large fuel tank

[chilly hatch]

ye ig

bro in our area people are getting their catalytic converters stolen

because they have platinum and gold in them or something

[lone fern]

i paid 124 usd yesterday to fill up

[chilly hatch]

gas is 210 cent per liter rn

[sand viper]

Finally was able to give the electric life a taste after Tesla allowed me to hold onto a performance model 3 for a month. And I hate to say it, I absolutely loved it.

[stoic ledge]

That's not just your area, that's basically world wide

[chilly hatch]

sickk

[lone fern]

ye mine got stolen, they have paladium, platinum, and so many other precious metals

[chilly hatch]

yeah bruh

we welded ours to the bottom of the car and painted it so its harder tos teal

[civic spoke]

It's like $130 for 58 liters for me.

$130 USD.

[lone fern]

mine was not protected

[stoic ledge]

My catalytic converter is in front of the engine so hard to steal 😎

[chilly hatch]

yesterday the car started to rumble when we were driving on highway and it said check awd system -_-

prolly our spark plugs ngl

they are way overdue

[stoic ledge]

Not going to express my opinions on Tesla, but I must say I like the colour 🙂

[chilly hatch]

teslas are nice, jsut the qc

thats what it said

[lone fern]

i gotta do a coolant flush and oil change once the weather gets nicer

[chilly hatch]

nice

[stoic ledge]

I disagree on the nice part but like I said, I'm not going to express my opinions 🙂

[lone fern]

yea ^^

[chilly hatch]

thas fine

[lone fern]

i don’t particularly care for their right to repair stance

[chilly hatch]

i mean, here all the other electric cars are lame in terms of range or value compare to tesla

[stoic ledge]

That is also a very large part of my dislike, yes

[chilly hatch]

tesla is unmatched here

[stoic ledge]

Lucid want to know your address

[chilly hatch]

plus there is battery plant coming near where we are so the prices are gon get lower

[chilly hatch]

frick i forgot

but the price is prolly gonna be expensive

[stoic ledge]

It's expensive but not really that much more than a comparable Model S

[lone fern]

a friend of mine keeps talking about rivian, as if that company will actually ship a 4 figure number of cars 😂

[chilly hatch]

model s is overpriced, model 3 and y are btter

[stoic ledge]

They probably will, didn't they have way more orders?

[chilly hatch]

rivian cars are nice, i like their trucks, one of the trucks that are acc good

[stoic ledge]

Especially start ups are mostly constraint by supply problems

[lone fern]

they did, but it’s been a year or smthn like that and haven’t shipped much

they look nice

[lone fern]

yeaaa

[chilly hatch]

mhm

[charred depot]

I went back to save a seagull that couldnt fly on a 70mph roundabout approach, sadly by the time I got back around it had been run over 🗿

[stoic ledge]

Still waiting for the promised 30k Model 3 or what was it

[lone fern]

but they also jacked up the price for people who preordered, people got mad, and they went back

[deep zealot]

model y is ugly as shit

model 3 is a little less repulsive

[stoic ledge]

Model Y also starts here at like €60k with the quality of a Dacia

Model Y is extremely ugly

[lone fern]

listen teslas are ok but i cannot figure out which model is which

[chilly hatch]

ye fr

[stoic ledge]

And the Model 3 also isn't a looker from the front

[lone fern]

to me they all look mostly the same

[stoic ledge]

Rear is fine

[chilly hatch]

is Dacia good, i see the cars in eu

[bitter compass]

That is by now so long ago that they can blame inflation to not do it 👀

[stoic ledge]

It's just older Renault stuff .. you get what you pay for, if you just want a car it's perfectly acceptable

[chilly hatch]

oh

[deep zealot]

Just remember SEXY
Model S -> expensive Sedan
model 3 (was supposed to be E but ford threatened to sue) - > less expensive sedan
Model X -> expensive SUV
Model Y -> less expensive SUV

[chilly hatch]

Lmfao i remember that

[stoic ledge]

All part of Elon's plan, inflation is his fault

||/S||

[chilly hatch]

what is /s

[deep zealot]

sarcasm

[lone fern]

I wish there were more cheaper euro branded cars here in the us, not just bmw’s and mercs

[stoic ledge]

End sarcasm

[chilly hatch]

ok

[deep zealot]

Volkswagon

[stoic ledge]

VW is

[chilly hatch]

vw is so bad

[stoic ledge]

Feeding won't agree 😛

[deep zealot]

I like VW only for Porsche

[bitter compass]

They're pretty much the cheapest new cars you can buy, and for that they are not bad

[chilly hatch]

toyota is where its at for all around

[chilly hatch]

i see

[deep zealot]

everything else can fall into corruption

[chilly hatch]

here its prolly dodge or kia or smth

dodge cars are so ass

[deep zealot]

so are kia's

[lone fern]

ok true but I don’t really see a ton of those around here. they’re a thing but not hugely pop

[stoic ledge]

VW is also a pointless brand as any of the sister brands have better products for a lower price

[vocal mural]

Stellantis must go bankrupt

[chilly hatch]

fr

[lone fern]

yeaa

[lone fern]

*it is

[deep zealot]

VW owns, Skoda, Porsche, Lamborghini, Audi, Buggatti, Bentley, and SEAT afaik

[stoic ledge]

Not before VAG does

[chilly hatch]

tf

thats so many

[lone fern]

vw owns like

everything

[deep zealot]

BMW owns MINI, BMW and Rolls-Royce

[stoic ledge]

Seat, Cupra, Scania, MAN and Ducato also

[chilly hatch]

dam

[vocal mural]

And Cupra, now a SEAT sister instead of daughter company

[deep zealot]

never seen a Cupra before

[vocal mural]

Scania is good

[deep zealot]

ever

[stoic ledge]

Stellantis is Peugeot, Citroen, Opel/Vauxhall, DS, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Dodge, Chrysler, RAM, Maserati

[deep zealot]

the coolest car name to me, its just so satisfying to say, is Citroën

[chilly hatch]

isnt scania a truck comapnyh

[lone fern]

i’d also love to see nissan suck less ass

[stoic ledge]

The brand was launched only a few years ago

[stoic ledge]

Yes, so is MAN

[chilly hatch]

ye

[stoic ledge]

The 400 looks nice ...

[lone fern]

jeep as well

[stoic ledge]

Not coming to Europe so meh

[civic spoke]

Have you guys ever been curious about how much the engine in a truck like this weighs?

[lone fern]

i mean i don’t like their transmissions

[deep zealot]

too much

[vocal mural]

Some MAN is rebadged VW

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes that also

[chilly hatch]

here we have freightliner and volvo trucks

also western star

[vocal mural]

20t

[chilly hatch]

ye

[stoic ledge]

For Latin America yes, just older MAN trucks

[lone fern]

and macks, peterbilts

[civic spoke]

The Volvo FH16 750 engine comes in at a nice 1,472 kg dry weight. Which is the same weight as my E46 320i.

[chilly hatch]

ye mack and peterbuilt

ive never been inside a truck

[lone fern]

freightliner too

[deep zealot]

im scared of diesels

ill never go near one in my life

[chilly hatch]

closest thing to a jeep ive been in is a Tata sumo

[lone fern]

i love diesels

[civic spoke]

What? Why?

[chilly hatch]

that thing is an offroad beast

thing can climb 50 degree hill

[vocal mural]

Why?

[lone fern]

however diesel runaway is not fun

[deep zealot]

when i was 9 a VW diesel went on runaway and exploded all over the road near me. looked like a fire there was an FBI dispatch nearby because somebody made the report it was a car bomb

[chilly hatch]

common L

[stoic ledge]

Europe for trucks has DAF, Scania, MAN, Volvo, Mercedes, Iveco, Renault... And Ford Turkey iirc also has one now (F-Max)

Maybe I forgot one? Idk

[lone fern]

runaway is hell

[chilly hatch]

bro the bwn e8 looks so sick

bwm i8

[deep zealot]

i8 looks so good but its slow

[stoic ledge]

Bwm e8 best car

[deep zealot]

kek

[civic spoke]

Runaway diesels. I can udnerstand. But that's nothing I have heard with modern diesel engines.

[vocal mural]

@deep zealot Diesel isn’t so flammable, petrol is

[chilly hatch]

fax bruh

[deep zealot]

Petrol doesnt runaway, diesels do

[civic spoke]

Man. Would I love to own, and drive that FH16 truck.

[lone fern]

but when it does light, it doesn’t go out easily

[chilly hatch]

thats the bmw i8 but debranded in a roblox game i play 💀 for copyright

[stoic ledge]

OOF

[civic spoke]

👌

[stoic ledge]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a Chinese knock-off

[deep zealot]

ive got nothing against diesels i think theyre nice torquey things but im never getting in a car powered by one

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[stoic ledge]

I'd like a nice torqy diesel

Just taxes are crazy here

[lone fern]

diesels are so fun to drive

rwd especially

they’re very loud though

[chilly hatch]

fr

[deep zealot]

My next car will be either a BMW or a Toyota Supra and the first thing im doing is running a Flex Fuel mod

[vocal mural]

What about HVO?

[civic spoke]

D16K750 swap. When?

[chilly hatch]

ive only ever rid in one, until i get my lincense in decembner

[stoic ledge]

Maybe more than a 2000rpm redline would be nice

Also don't think it'll fit in a hatchback/wagon 😛

[lone fern]

yes but fuckin 10speeds

[chilly hatch]

are wagons good

[lone fern]

just slam through gears

[stoic ledge]

Manual > all

[chilly hatch]

^

when i drive im boutta put the car into standard mode, but its no fun without the clutch

[deep zealot]

Im an auto guy

[civic spoke]

10? 12 is the common here.

[stoic ledge]

If I had the money.... I'd buy a manual Mk5 Supra now

[civic spoke]

And 4 reverse gears.

[deep zealot]

Manual is cool but i couldnt be arsed to deal with gears in heavy traffic sometimes

[stoic ledge]

Sadly I don't have 100k

[chilly hatch]

4 reverse gears is a thing

[stoic ledge]

🥲

[chilly hatch]

mhm

[lone fern]

i’m talking like diesel cars/pickups, not semis

[deep zealot]

plus if i want to shift myself, can do it in most autos

[lone fern]

there are tractors with wayyyy more

[civic spoke]

Yeah. They sure are.
Gotta be able to drive 50 kmh in reverse somehow.

[chilly hatch]

Lmfaooooo

[charred depot]

whats the DAF cars which can reverse ridiculously fast

they are CVT though right

[stoic ledge]

I often drive a tractor with 24 reverse gears

(literally every forward gear can also be selected in reverse)

[chilly hatch]

LMFAO AC

our lexus has 7 normal gears and 1 reverse 💀

[lone fern]

ye my buddy drives a tractor with 40 forward+reverse gears

[chilly hatch]

why is that a thing bruh

[deep zealot]

when backing out of my driveway i back out in unsafe speeds just to hear the straight cut whine

[chilly hatch]

who needs to go reverse in 70 kmh

[lone fern]

you’re towing 40,000lb farm implements

[chilly hatch]

true

[stoic ledge]

It's just because for reverse it just has a gearbox which reverses everything, not 1 specific gear in the gearbox

[lone fern]

ye

[chilly hatch]

don't trucks have like 18 gears or something?

[lone fern]

yep

[stoic ledge]

12 in Europe I think

[chilly hatch]

man imagine shifting that

here its 18 but all auto

[stoic ledge]

All auto now here too

[lone fern]

a lot of semis still have manuals

[chilly hatch]

ye

[lone fern]

they have 2 gear selectors

[chilly hatch]

ive seen

[vocal mural]

I drive 50 km/h at 8300rpm

[civic spoke]

12 forward is the common in Europe.

[stoic ledge]

> Moped

[lone fern]

mopeds are dope

[stoic ledge]

The most annoying things ever... 9000rpm, goes 20km/h

[civic spoke]

Meanwhile. I'm running idle in 12th.

[chilly hatch]

nah nah electric scooter better

i have this chinese one

[lone fern]

weedwhackers go 0 and run super high rpms 😂

[stoic ledge]

Electric scooter > mopeds any day yes

[chilly hatch]

goes 50kmh on turbo

[stoic ledge]

Pollution of those mopeds is crazy

[chilly hatch]

but its not street legal so i drive on sidewak

[lone fern]

i can’t really drive a moped all year long bc snow

[stoic ledge]

Can't enter a city with a car with cats, adblue etc but a moped with nothing no problem

[chilly hatch]

lmfdoa

[civic spoke]

What about one of these? https://youtu.be/FJ8R4tYbX5w

[lone fern]

i drive everywhere without a cat 😎😭

[stoic ledge]

Is it a proper motorcycle?

[civic spoke]

The one I linked, is.

[chilly hatch]

can electrric cars catch fire when they crash like gas cars?

[lone fern]

yes

[chilly hatch]

i would thing so bc of the batteries

[stoic ledge]

Luckily that's an immediate fail on inspection here

[lone fern]

one short in the battery

[deep zealot]

yes in fact electric cars have a higher chance of fires

[civic spoke]

EV's sure can catch on fire.

[chilly hatch]

yea

[civic spoke]

EV's can catch on fire from having its battery pack punctured.

[stoic ledge]

Cells can rupture yes. Unlikely but can

[deep zealot]

they usually explode in a spectacular show of fireworks

[chilly hatch]

fr

[lone fern]

hybrids are the most likely

[deep zealot]

Hybrids?

[lone fern]

they carrying 2x the firepower

[civic spoke]

EV cars generally have the whole area where the cells are stored be super reinforced.

[lone fern]

yes

[deep zealot]

most hybrids use NiMh battery techn instead of lithium

so no

[lone fern]

gas-elec has the highest percent i believe

[chilly hatch]

hybrids are a good alterative, esp plug in

[stoic ledge]

Be cautious and explode it before, so it can't explode in a crash
https://youtu.be/7_9aVzf5fC4

[deep zealot]

lithium is far more unsafe than Nimh

plus the batteries are usually really small

not much bigger than the 12V

[chilly hatch]

hm

ik plug in hybrids have like 70km of rangbve

what about those

[civic spoke]

The problem with EV batteries is that you can't really extinguish them easily.

[deep zealot]

those might have lithium idk

[lone fern]

no the hybrids are more likely to catch fire in a crash

[deep zealot]

my Avalon Hybrid's battery is literally barely bigger than a 12V battery

[lone fern]

bc there’s fuel and lots of elec. in the same confined area

[deep zealot]

and its not lithium

[civic spoke]

The more batteries, the worse the fires.
It's all about power density.

[chilly hatch]

akes sense

[deep zealot]

Electronics dont catch fire unless they short, most crash fires are when severe battery damage is involved

[stoic ledge]

Just use hamsters to generate electricity on the fly, no batteries required

[lone fern]

yes

[stoic ledge]

https://c.tenor.com/HHzUxhwSW_AAAAAM/hamster-wheel.gif

[lone fern]

potatoes

[chilly hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-couch-scooter-coming-omw-riding-couch-gif-13568071

[stoic ledge]

Oeh yes potato powered cars

[chilly hatch]

lmfao that acc could work

[deep zealot]

EV's are far more unsafe than Hybrids and gas cars in a heavy crash involving cell rupture

[lone fern]

yes

[chilly hatch]

dont gas cars catch on fire when they crash into something bc of fuel ignition

[stoic ledge]

Just don't crash

[chilly hatch]

fr

[deep zealot]

its really rare but even when it does happen theres more than enough time to just get out

[stoic ledge]

Very unlikely

[deep zealot]

Gas burns, it doesnt explode

Batteries explode and cause other explosions among other batteries

[stoic ledge]

But yeah just a quick flame because of the fumes, but that is very uncommon

Batteries can also reignite days later

[lone fern]

the fire department gonna have to carry sand with them if we move to electric

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[lone fern]

hydrogen should be the way we move but they’re not ready at all for that

[stoic ledge]

They have containers here in which cars can be submerged

[chilly hatch]

nah nah that will combust

hydrogen is very flammable

[lone fern]

would really save cali’s ass in terms of droughts bc it dumps water out the back

[chilly hatch]

look at hinden burg

[lone fern]

yes, i know

but so will lithium

or gas

or coal

or hampsters i’m sure

[deep zealot]

just need emotion powered cars

feeling angry? get in the car

youre doing 120 before you know it

[lone fern]

GRRRRRERR

i feel like there would be more road rage then

and you’d go even faster 😂😂

[stoic ledge]

That had like 140,000 m³ of hydrogen in a balloon lol, slightly different than a few kg in a pressurized tank xD

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[chilly hatch]

fr fr but like hydrogen cars dont have good range

[deep zealot]

something happens to the pressurized tank tho, its game over for the driver

[civic spoke]

I would love an EV for daily use. And petrol/gas for more fun.

[deep zealot]

especially liquid hydrogen

that stuff is MEGA condensed

[lone fern]

i mean yes but they use hydrogen in gas form

[deep zealot]

some company was experimenting using liquid hydrogen

[chilly hatch]

ye, or a hybrid with good ev range and gas range for both in one package

[lone fern]

liquid hydrogen would be a nightmare

[stoic ledge]

Bwah Mirai and Nexo have like 500-600km from ~5.5kg?

[chilly hatch]

yo wtf

thats sick

[stoic ledge]

Don't quote me on the exact numbers

[lone fern]

problem is theres like 0 hydrogen stations anywhere

[chilly hatch]

EXCEPT IN CALI

caps

[lone fern]

ok but there’s like 14 there

[civic spoke]

What's nice with hydrogen cars, is that if the tank gets ruptured. Or if you have a leak, then it's mostly harmless.

Unless there is some spark attached to the whole situation.

[lone fern]

ye

[deep zealot]

it'd be pretty harmful ||to your wallet||

[civic spoke]

But even then, the quantity of hydrogen is limited.

[chilly hatch]

fr

[civic spoke]

Doesn't it also pressure test the system when you fuel it up?

[lone fern]

and they are wayyy better for the environment than even electric if the hydrogen is created w/clean energy bc it pours water onto the road

which is good for plants n shit

[stoic ledge]

Renault recently had a concept car (Scenic) which had a small battery pack for everyday use (40kWh) and then a hydrogen fuel cell for additional range if you take long trips

[lone fern]

and no lithium mining

[stoic ledge]

Ngl, not the worst idea for far in the future

[chilly hatch]

yo thats acc not bad

[lone fern]

that’s actually a good idea

[charred depot]

problem is at the moment you need alot more clean energy for hydrogen cars than you do for electric cars

[lone fern]

it would eliminate range issues w/electric and charge times

[chilly hatch]

does eu use mostly renewables?

bc here in canada majority is either hydro or nuclear

[stoic ledge]

Yeah hydrogen from electricity has a max 50% efficiency

[stoic ledge]

Exactly

[stoic ledge]

Really depends on the country

[chilly hatch]

right cuz eu is the group

[lone fern]

i’d say tho that using more renewable energy is better than opening more lithium mines leaching poisonous sludge into the local water supply

[chilly hatch]

mhm

[lone fern]

and lithium is not easy to recycle due to it’s natural tendancy to ignite in presence of water

[stoic ledge]

Turning excess electricity in to hydrogen is a better solution than letting it go to waste

[lone fern]

yes

[stoic ledge]

There are even experimental solar panels which can generate hydrogen directly

(besides generating 🔌)

That's awesome

[lone fern]

if those go mainstream, that’s probably the best way to go

no birds bein smacked by turbines, no rivers dammed, and can be used anywhere the sun shines

[stoic ledge]

It'll probably take a while, but that's a really cool concept

[lone fern]

yes

very

[stoic ledge]

The problem is, there's no sun 24/7

[civic spoke]

We need more PHEV's. Give us like 50-75 km's of EV range. And that would be good enough for so many people.

[lone fern]

yea

[chilly hatch]

ikr

[stoic ledge]

But I even heard recently about "solar" panels which can generate in the dark? Haven't read that much in to it tho, so idk

All that stuff is really exciting

[civic spoke]

Oh, there was a thing I saw. Give me a sec to see if I can find it.

[deep zealot]

need an einstein machine that converts mass into energy

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[deep zealot]

its a thing

[lone fern]

gravity to power generator free no hacks 2022 no virus no survey

[deep zealot]

not really used much because it blows shit up

[civic spoke]

Nope. Can't find it. But it was a heatmap for the amount of sunlight places get.

This. More or less.

[rotund cove]

Antarctica lol

[civic spoke]

Kind of screwed during the winter part of the year.

[lone fern]

poor alaska how tf they gonna make renewable power

dark for months, waters frozen,

same with siberia

[stoic ledge]

In the blue area, and even here solar panels are profitable

[rotund cove]

and iceland

apparently

[lone fern]

ok greenland will be fine

[civic spoke]

Yeah. They are. It's all about how long you keep them.

[lone fern]

and iceland

[rotund cove]

I meant Iceland sorry

[lone fern]

as long as you keep the snow off the panels that is

[stoic ledge]

25 year warranty

On both the panels and the inverter

😎

[civic spoke]

The only issue that I personally see. Is that the person having it installed, doesn't benefit from it until many years later.

[lone fern]

power companies make hella money

they have incentive

[stoic ledge]

We got them on a small loan, no initial investment but paying less than what we'd actually pay for electricity

Usually I hate loans but in this case I thought it was justified 😛

[civic spoke]

A loan that's paying for itself. Pretty much.

[lone fern]

my school has a massive farm and it was partially subsidized by the gov and the power company

[civic spoke]

At least if you're able to push power back into the system. And get paid for it.

[lone fern]

they do

[stoic ledge]

Yeah a loan which generates a profit

[lone fern]

they make the power during the summer, when little to nothing is going on

[civic spoke]

Basically pays the AC bill for you.

[stoic ledge]

For now we can subtract everything we push in to the system from the solar panels, from the electricity we take from the system

[lone fern]

they got zoned ac motion detected so there’s really only a bit of that

[stoic ledge]

So if we generate 4000kWh, use 2000kWh directly, return 2000kWh but also take 2000kWh at times which they generate nothing/too little, our net usage is 0kWh and we pay €0

[chilly hatch]

Lmfao it.wont woek bc it's a closed loop

[stoic ledge]

Oui je sais, but funny meme

[charred depot]

you can get paid for it here but its like

less than 10% what you pay for taking electricity from the grid

[stoic ledge]

Oh yeah same here

But it's like 30% here I think

But that's after the netting arrangements

[wispy cloak]

This is mine

[stoic ledge]

Oefertjes

[civic spoke]

That must be a truck. Because boy is that some bad consumption.

[wispy cloak]

11 mpg baybee

[charred depot]

rip seagull friend, I came back to move him off the road but someone blind had obliterated him

[stoic ledge]

Corsa being less fuel efficient than the heavier, larger and more powerful Meriva

[charred depot]

54 bwitish mpg in the 205

[wispy cloak]

This app isn't the most compatible with American stuff

But that's understandable

[civic spoke]

You've been recording for much longer than me. I've only done it for 43,800 km's. And 3,500 liters worth.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah made by/for Germans initially, but I think you can change the units in the settings

[wispy cloak]

You can

[civic spoke]

Yeah you can

[wispy cloak]

But it doesn't change them all

[charred depot]

I mean to record mine but just forget

[wispy cloak]

It doesn't use mpg I don't think

[stoic ledge]

Ah F

[charred depot]

when getting fuel in the 205 I was just saying diesel over and over in my head while approaching

[charred depot]

But meh XUD will do fine with a bit of petrol

[civic spoke]

You can change all of that stuff.

[stoic ledge]

Yes, this @wispy cloak

[stoic ledge]

Always nice

Running diesels on petrol

[civic spoke]

Gives it a higher redline.
👌

[wispy cloak]

I changed it

[charred depot]

I go down the gears and rev mine too much

[wispy cloak]

And it says I'm getting 14.4 mpg

[charred depot]

not used to the ultimate low end torque experience

[wispy cloak]

This is very good

I hope those are real numbers

[stoic ledge]

If the odometer and fuel meter at the gas station is correct, then yes

[civic spoke]

You'll get more accurate numbers the more you'll use it.

[stoic ledge]

More data = more accurate

[wispy cloak]

That's an entire 3 mpg better than what the truck says it's getting

😎

[civic spoke]

And doing full fuel-up's is also better for better data.

[stoic ledge]

Partial refuels you can select as partial refuels, looks like he did that's 3 refills ago

[wispy cloak]

I do full refills 90% of the time

[stoic ledge]

But if you get a full refill later that's all fine

[wispy cloak]

I only did a partial because Sam's ran out of gas

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but that's not an issue as long as you select partial refill, like you did

My consumption is all over the place

Thise very bad fuel economies were usually compensated with a very good fuel economy afterwards or vice versa

[civic spoke]

€3.34 per 100 km? YEET.

[stoic ledge]

Gotta love LPG

That's excluding the petrol tho

[civic spoke]

Here I am. With €10 per 100 km higher than that.

[stoic ledge]

But that's €0.80/km, so €4.14 combined

That's why I don't want to get rid of it

😉

[civic spoke]

I'm pretty much at €13+ per 100 km's.

[stoic ledge]

Meriva

Quite nice fuel economy, winter/summer down/up

But a nice pattern

Also funny how we bought the Corsa and Meriva with roughly 1000km apart, and they're now ~1000km apart

87431km vs 88504km for the first refueling, and 151992km vs 150507km for the last refueling

Ah the other way around

But still

[onyx kayak]

I hate the Autobahn...

Every Autobahn here in Germany has a lot of construction sites and I get honked on when I stick to the speed limits...

[stoic ledge]

As long as you don't lane hog, don't sweat it

And yes baustelle everywhere

[onyx kayak]

Well, I drove on the right side

Like it's a law that you have to take the most right lane.

[stoic ledge]

I know but plenty of people don't 😉

[bitter compass]

But we need no speed limit because freedom

[fathom socket]

Rivian r1t is cool

And i know looks are subjective but

R1S is really ugly from the back

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxPJrJl_vl8

I almost want it

[onyx kayak]

They teach it at every driving school.

[stoic ledge]

Then a lot of people didn't go to a driving school 🙃