cars

[stoic ledge]

But I was the first year that didn't get T

[chilly hatch]

i live like 5km away from the busiest highway in the world so ukk

traffic centeral

[stoic ledge]

4 rpm is low

[golden rune]

my diesel goes max to 5k in revs

[stoic ledge]

[golden rune]

and it wants to explode than

🤣😂😂😂

[chilly hatch]

my dads from india so he knows how to drive manual

except that one time where he burnt the clutch off a vw t cross

[golden rune]

hoooow?

[chilly hatch]

bro he was riding the cluctch

[golden rune]

like you just have to be kind of carefull

but nothing major

[chilly hatch]

then the car randomly stalls in a roundabout holy shi was that stressful

[golden rune]

yeah its different for me, cause i drove a manual first and acctually never drove a automatic

[chilly hatch]

we ended up driving on a 120kmh highway on gear 3 with like 6000rom

[jovial mauve]

mine revs to 6,5k

[golden rune]

nah, it will be okay, no Worries

wait

[chilly hatch]

that was when we were in europe

[golden rune]

i think i have picture of my volvo

[stoic ledge]

[chilly hatch]

are cvt's even good

[stoic ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375461451403624471/975889009165352990/IMG_20210409_120700.jpg

My beast

Manual ofc

[chilly hatch]

like they have an infinite amount of gear ratios

[stoic ledge]

CVT'S are the best transmission in theory

[chilly hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/manual-shift-shifting-gear-gearshift-gif-20721463

[jovial mauve]

i must say MK it growns on me

[stoic ledge]

They just feel very unnatural to drive

[chilly hatch]

my first car will prolly be a hyundai venue essential manual

its a good starter car

for manual

but thats gonna be when im outta uni

[stoic ledge]

Imagine hating on my Corsa for the power and then getting a Venue as a first car... Not saying it's bad but power/weight is basically the same

[stoic ledge]

Kinetic?

[chilly hatch]

i mean i wasnt hating on it

[golden rune]

that is the best

[chilly hatch]

ive never driven a corsa

[stoic ledge]

Basically a Ford Fiesta/Toyota Yaris sized car

[golden rune]

from the option list it has

• smokers package

[chilly hatch]

ah

[golden rune]

and thats it

nice alloys dude

what size are those?

[chilly hatch]

thats the car my dad drives not the acc ting

[stoic ledge]

Those headlights aren't standard are they?

[stoic ledge]

Mine? 16"

[golden rune]

i think they are

[golden rune]

i was thinking of getting a set od 17"

[chilly hatch]

we got the bigger wheels and offroad package

came with a suroof and gps

i love sunrooves

[golden rune]

with summer tyres and have winter tyres on 16" set

[chilly hatch]

we use all season tires even though canada has a lot of snow

[golden rune]

stelies are 16"

[stoic ledge]

Ah apparently they were, projector halogen, didn't know they had projector as standard

[chilly hatch]

winter tires are a waste tbh

[jovial mauve]

i need winter rims

[golden rune]

personally not sure if thats good

[jovial mauve]

but to much choice

[stoic ledge]

V40 2.0D with 18" 😎

[golden rune]

kind of jelous😂🤣

[stoic ledge]

I just have summer tires for 365d/year

[jovial mauve]

is it so high up on the rear or weird angle?

[golden rune]

dont like the new v40 too much but the rims are awsome

[stoic ledge]

Both

[jovial mauve]

yes but i go wintetsports each year so i need actual winter tires

[golden rune]

in croatia we get snow and some heavy rain so it saved me multiple times

[stoic ledge]

Ixion IV's, this one is also R-Design with Aero Pack

[golden rune]

sexy shit happening

[chilly hatch]

thing is when we are driving on the highway for some reason the car starts to rattle and say "Check AWD System" even though AWD is not engaged on highay

[stoic ledge]

Winter tires don't help in heavy rain Summer tires are literally rain tires

[golden rune]

not really....

they help

i can feel a difference in a heavy rain

[chilly hatch]

fr

[golden rune]

i am 100%

[chilly hatch]

we think our spark plugs have gone bad

it is 11 yrs old

[golden rune]

cause winters have a deeper grouves

i dont know how its spelled

[jovial mauve]

wdy think of these MK?

https://www.givawheels.nl/nl/audi-velgen/a6/2011-2018-3.0l-big-brakes-4g/meisterwerk-mw08-black/?page=1&rim_inch=&rim_colors=&rim_brands=&rim_is_dedicated=&rim_is_winter=&rim_is_tuv=&rim_is_directional=&rim_has_wide_rear=&rim_has_wide_rear_d=#results

[golden rune]

you should change them about 50k km

i think

[stoic ledge]

Then you just have shitty summer tires 😛

[golden rune]

they are nice

[golden rune]

its acctually the opposite🤣😂🤣🤣😂

[stoic ledge]

Always hard to judge not seeing them on the car

[golden rune]

i have 2013 winters and newer summer tyres

[chilly hatch]

uh 💀 we have 230000km

we might be just a wee bit late

[stoic ledge]

2013 is .. quite old for tires

[jovial mauve]

or these

[chilly hatch]

we changed our tires last year

[golden rune]

i like only 5 spokes or like a ton of them, basically 5 spoke or like alpine style wheel

[chilly hatch]

we got run flat tires

[stoic ledge]

Yeah spark plugs shouldn't go 200+k km

[lone fern]

i have new tires

[stoic ledge]

Those aren't bad

[lone fern]

i am on my second set of plugs at 270k miles.

[stoic ledge]

How even

Ah

[golden rune]

only second?

[stoic ledge]

Still amazing

[chilly hatch]

💀 fr

[lone fern]

my truck has a known issue with plugs snapping in the head, so we don’t replace them

[chilly hatch]

but toyota engines ae very reliable

[lone fern]

and then it costs a fortune to replace

[lone fern]

yep

[chilly hatch]

so we didnt have to service the engine in a long time

[golden rune]

i mean, dont get me wrong i dont even have spark plugs but i would replace them for 50k km or 30k miles

[lone fern]

yea, i need to probably do them soon, despite the fact they’ll probably break

[jovial mauve]

and here am i checking tires every month checking oil every 2 weeks

[golden rune]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAH JUST THAT

[lone fern]

I would love to replace my plugs more often, but they snap in the head

i check my oil, air and coolant weekly

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but that's an Audi, it's best practice to do so

runs

[golden rune]

there was a question on one forum would you ever buy a car from yourself

[lone fern]

😂😂😂

[jovial mauve]

your not wrong but i have the engine with the least amount of issues tho

[stoic ledge]

Definitely

[stoic ledge]

True

[golden rune]

personally never, cause i know how hard i drive it

[jovial mauve]

that audi v6 is legendary

[stoic ledge]

I probably have one of the best maintained 2012 Corsa's around lol

[chilly hatch]

ye

esp considering the car shudders after driving on the highway

and says "check awd system"

[jovial mauve]

i would buy a car of myself expect for my polo gti

GL for who bought that

[golden rune]

polo gti 1.8?

that tuneable one?

[stoic ledge]

If 1.4TSI, rip

That one is horrendous

[jovial mauve]

1.8

[golden rune]

know a guy who had a reliable stage 2, like 270hp on the stock block

[jovial mauve]

i mean i did not have issues with it and it was my first car, but i did not know about stuff like

driving until warm

letting it cool off

not do launch control at every light

it was a rough time 😛

[golden rune]

but.... you kind of have to

like its a polo gti

like a baby bro of the golf gt

gti*

you have to live up to its name😂🤣🤣

wait whad do you drive now?

[jovial mauve]

audi a6

[golden rune]

what engine, what year

[jovial mauve]

2011 3.0 supercharged

[golden rune]

ooof

that is awsome

[jovial mauve]

i have had it for like 4/5 months now i quite like it

[stoic ledge]

How often do you switch btw?

[golden rune]

where are fromm

?j

[jovial mauve]

this is random 😛

[stoic ledge]

Have the Corsa almost 6 years now

[jovial mauve]

i have had the polo gti for lets see i think a year

then there was the golf R

then the a class the a class i have had for 3 and a half years

now there is the audi

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

Netherlands

[golden rune]

you really have a good taste in cars

[golden rune]

autobahn is not that far....

[stoic ledge]

I've had:
2012 Corsa: 6 years
2020 BMW 1er: ~2 hours

[golden rune]

i love it, its awsome

[golden rune]

the lights make it pop

[stoic ledge]

Doel?

[jovial mauve]

yes 😛

[stoic ledge]

[golden rune]

i think i volvo would beat a corsa but againt audi i can just blush😬

[jovial mauve]

sadly no POLO gti pics they are on my opld phone

[stoic ledge]

Beat in what sense?

[jovial mauve]

now you have done it 😛

[golden rune]

a raceeeeeee🤣😂🤣🤣

[stoic ledge]

Oh it's crazy fast my Corsa

Want to see a recording of my 0-100km/h?

[golden rune]

sureee

send it in

[stoic ledge]

Okay hold on

[golden rune]

how fast does it go to a 100?

10s?

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/Jo-CT-DvO6M

On paper 13 or 14s depending on the fuel

I got it slower

But bad start

[jovial mauve]

wait

[stoic ledge]

Actually 0-80 is alright-ish

[jovial mauve]

is there a rev counter in your dash?

like on youtr cluster

[golden rune]

switch it to gas and not lpg

[jovial mauve]

digital

[stoic ledge]

I can turn one on there yes, digital rev counter

[jovial mauve]

dayum thats sick haha

[stoic ledge]

No too expensive

[golden rune]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[stoic ledge]

This launch was on LPG

[golden rune]

wait is the audi a dsg?

[stoic ledge]

Which should do ~14s

[jovial mauve]

S tronic

but same ish

[golden rune]

yeah, same

how fast does it go

[jovial mauve]

stock 5.5 0-100

but it has a tune

so idk

[stoic ledge]

[golden rune]

like a stage1?

[jovial mauve]

faster i hope

yes

[golden rune]

thats nice

my volvo goes in mid 9s to a 100

[stoic ledge]

Remap the V50 2.0D

[golden rune]

but over 80its the best

it has power and it has that kick

[stoic ledge]

We remapped my brothers, now does ~7.5s 0-100

[jovial mauve]

i like that my car is faster then like a golf GTI even if it is like twice as heavy (its not but you get my point)

thats why i like power sedans

[stoic ledge]

With meh condition winter tires, wheelspin in third gear

[golden rune]

i would, but it has 280k km on it and i am afraid i would kill it🤣😂

[stoic ledge]

[golden rune]

it is kind of a sleeped

[jovial mauve]

the huge red brakes give it away a lil bit tho 😛

but yeah

[golden rune]

*230k was done in the city and not on the highway

[jovial mauve]

not to crazy on the outside

[stoic ledge]

It was a base D2 so plenty of potential, went 120->180hp, 280->400+Nm, can't remember exactly what

[golden rune]

HAHAHAHAHAHHA and 20" wheels

[golden rune]

his transmission got smashed

[stoic ledge]

Nope same transmission as the D4

D4 has 400Nm standard

[golden rune]

like i was thinking of doing a d5 swap but its complicated for legal reasons in croatia

[stoic ledge]

And even those get remapped

Transmission will be fine

[golden rune]

thats a really nice upgrade

but yeah

a d5 swap would be better

and from 180hp stock i would bump it to like 230hp

[stoic ledge]

The Dutch tax department would like to know your address

[golden rune]

and yeah

i would get it reregistered

so it doesnt have a euro 2,3 shit like that

[stoic ledge]

[golden rune]

and maaaaaaybe do a straight pipe

Maybe

[golden rune]

but my sister would kill me

[stoic ledge]

The 2.0 VEA is Euro6 😎

[golden rune]

nice launch, is it awd?

[jovial mauve]

yes

[golden rune]

what...euro 6...that doesnt release black smoke

[stoic ledge]

Fun fact: base Audi A8 was FWD until like a few years ago

[stoic ledge]

Not yet

[jovial mauve]

i think (not usre) the engine i have was only s tronic and only awd

[golden rune]

thats like really nice

its car meets darling

[jovial mauve]

this is after we changed the rear springs to be higher

[stoic ledge]

Correct

[golden rune]

lile a track car

red bull asthetic

2021

[jovial mauve]

if the track is just a straight like sure

[stoic ledge]

[golden rune]

HAHAHAHAHAH

well ita awd

it has to corner real good

[jovial mauve]

its also like a 6 meter long 2 ton car 😛

[golden rune]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[jovial mauve]

it has been designed to just blast on the autobahn

[golden rune]

i wanna try my volvo on autobahn

fastet i ever went was 190

ofcourse on a closed road

[jovial mauve]

i havent tested my top yet

[golden rune]

i think it can go 210 but dont have anywhere to test that

over 170 its shit

it goes very slowly

but u to 170 it is really the best car

up*

[jovial mauve]

266 gps was the fastest i have been with it

[golden rune]

WHAT

and how was

noisy, hard to get?

[jovial mauve]

noisy yes

but mostly because of the exhaust i need to get that sorted

not really hard to get ofc is not like a rs6

but it goes on and i had power left

[golden rune]

what is it with the exhaust

are you gonna put something more flowy in it or?

[jovial mauve]

i need to add valves

its a straight pipe now

wich is nice but not always 😛

[golden rune]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

it must be awsome

[jovial mauve]

so i have to decide if i want to get a full custom system or just OG mufflers and a bypass

[golden rune]

in the morning when you start it on

[jovial mauve]

when it is cold it is loud, but it is hot in NL now so not to bad

[timber oar]

I finally went and looked up this lpg stuff you guys keep talking about fueling your cars with and it sounds like it's basically propane

[wispy cloak]

It's natural gas isn't it

[timber oar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_petroleum_gas

[golden rune]

well yeah, it is really cheap and your car uses 20% more of it but its half price than petrol

grrat idea for saving money

but you pay a premium to install it

[timber oar]

See over here in the states as far as i can tell everyone runs gasoline

[golden rune]

i think 700 dollars and about 200 in taxes at my country

[wispy cloak]

Some fleet trucks run propane or natural gas

[timber oar]

The ups trucks and that kind of stuff use natural gas

Ye

[golden rune]

i personally dont like petrols....drove it and the instant power is nice but on the highway its shit....i drove 1.8 petrol 118hp

[timber oar]

They say it on the side

[golden rune]

NA petrol to be accuratr

[wispy cloak]

I drove a propane fleet truck one time

It felt like a truck

[timber oar]

As long as my vehicle goes forward and actually has enough power to have fun with i don't really care

[wispy cloak]

Didn't notice much of a difference

[timber oar]

But electric hasn't been the holy grail of cars yet

[golden rune]

never drove it....some people say its awsome

[timber oar]

I know there's a kit for my 4runner to run propane

[wispy cloak]

There need to be more normal EVs

Like the f150 lightning

[golden rune]

the car to house system is in my opinion great

and should be implemented

[wispy cloak]

What is that

[golden rune]

and if a cybertruck doesnt have it....i think it can flop

[golden rune]

if you have solar on your house you use i to to charge a truck and drive it but it can also power your home

you have to have a special charger and some shit but it seems to work fine

so if you lost the grid power or just to use it as a battery it cab

[timber oar]

Yeah that sounds cool

Yeah i mean as fun as it's gonna be when i get my ls engine in my firebird

I would much rather just smack a motor and batteries on it

That would be so much simpler

[wispy cloak]

Ehhh

Not really

It'd also cost a lot more

[timber oar]

The cost is pretty much why i didn't

Well and its also been a gasoline car for the 43 years is been around

I really don't know of a way of legally making it an ev in the eyes of the state

They will still want to run emissions on it lmao

[wispy cloak]

I don't have emissions

[timber oar]

Not that it's even gonna pass that running a 5.3 ls with an emu black

[wispy cloak]

If I did I'm pretty sure the dakota wouldn't pass

[wispy cloak]

Acktually the 5.3L is not an LS 🤓

[timber oar]

Thats what i keep hearing

[wispy cloak]

Everybody calls it an LS

[timber oar]

Its not an original 90s ls no

[wispy cloak]

But there's always that small group of people that refuse to allow that

[timber oar]

Its a 2004 truck block out of an avalanche

I have the whole dbw system i can hook up

[wispy cloak]

I don't think there ever was a 5.3 LS

If I remember right it's small block based

[timber oar]

But let's be honest here

The nomenclature for all of those engines is such a clusterfuck i don't know how you can make sense of it either way

I've seen so many of them called different things

Either way

It will make power

And Holley has a mount kit for it to go in the old 2nd gen

[wispy cloak]

I still have to buy a trans

[timber oar]

Those are important last time i checked

Don't be like me

oh i want a 4l80 so i can add paddle shifters

Just get a t56

[wispy cloak]

I'm going th400

[timber oar]

I got a controller that would let me run paddle shifters and configure everything else about how it shifts

But i had to spend a week soldering it together

And i still have to build the harnesses for the trans and the engine

And the rest of the car

I've made things way harder than they needed to be but I'm already committed

[wispy cloak]

My car is just gonna be the bare minimum

Maximum weight savings

Minimum money

[stoic ledge]

The fun thing is, with solar panels most of the time you're returning to the grid, and when it's time to recharge an EV the sun isn't shining as it's in the evening/night so the solar panels Don't generate electricity

Yes, we do have solar panels

But that's to cover the home usage

For an EV we'd need to install additional panels

[stoic ledge]

Cybertruck is a flop btw

[bitter compass]

Cybertruck isn't even going to exist

Same for roadster

Or plaid+ or whatever they called it

Or tesla solar

Or mars

Or moon

[dense shard]

Tesla solar exists

[bitter compass]

Eh, then it exists - but theres more

So im gonna replace it with semi

👀

[stoic ledge]

Or a small affordable EV

Didn't they also announce that

And a <35k Model 3

Still waiting

[bitter compass]

Oh nvm im gonna put solar back on the list nowhere is mentioned they actually produce solar, just sell

But it's innovative

Idk why people think i dont like elon musket

[bitter compass]

Where up and zoe competitor

Oh wait yeah american companies don't do cars in those two classes

And small cars best & most honest cars

[chilly hatch]

bro this guy ruined his miata in school, mans was doing donuts and all the tires popped 💀

[stoic ledge]

Yeah well even for US sizes, a small hatchback in the Corolla segment or something

Model 2

[chilly hatch]

we need more hatchbacks imo

[stoic ledge]

I think they actually announced it

We need less cross-overs, and definitely less coupe cross-overs

Hatchback and wagon is where it's at

[chilly hatch]

me and my friend were watching the event and the sound was like 100db i stg

mans had to get a tow truck

and his nice car was ruined

[bitter compass]

Man i wished the zoe was prettier 👀

Its not hideous but not pretty

[chilly hatch]

renault?

[bitter compass]

Yes

Could also be talking about a girl tho, so who knows 👀

[charred depot]

I keep so much shit in my boot the back of my car looks sort of lowered

Going to have to ditch some of my shite when using the 205

[fathom socket]

I wish twizys didnt cost so much

like ik its electric, but cmon

tbf same goes for 2011 nissan leafs with 100k miles that definitely need a new battery being put up for only 5k

[chilly hatch]

Tf

We might be getting an ev

Idk gas prices are so expendive

[stoic ledge]

Cries is 11+USD/gal

[chilly hatch]

Here is it 200 cents a liter

[stoic ledge]

Canadian cents?

[chilly hatch]

Ye...

[stoic ledge]

Oof cheap

[chilly hatch]

Bruh no

It's double normal

[stoic ledge]

That's less than what it is here normally

[chilly hatch]

Like 200 per fillup

Ye bc we produce our own battle

Autocorrect

Barrels of fuel

[stoic ledge]

Bruh €1.48/liter, currently cheap stations are €2.20/liter here

So 3 CAD

[chilly hatch]

Tf

[stoic ledge]

[chilly hatch]

Thats so much

[stoic ledge]

That's why I said cheap

🙃

[chilly hatch]

That's why biking is better rn

Even tho I like cars

[stoic ledge]

Biking is better always

[chilly hatch]

Biking is best in this weather

[stoic ledge]

I biked through every weather imaginable over 6 years

[chilly hatch]

And it's good for jlefs

Legs

Damn

[stoic ledge]

Gained weight since I stopped biking

[chilly hatch]

Lmfao

I'm prolly gonna get an electric scooter

Those are cheaper and fast

[stoic ledge]

Like this?

[chilly hatch]

No ill send a pic

These type

Max speed 50 kmh

0-max in like 6 or 7 seconds

And they are God's for offroading

20km range

I saw one for 800 cad

[charred depot]

met a guy with a old diesel motorbike not too long ago

what I need

[chilly hatch]

Diesel?

[charred depot]

yep

[chilly hatch]

Isn't that more expensice than normal gas?

[charred depot]

yeah but diesels generally get more mpg

[chilly hatch]

Rlly?

[charred depot]

ofc

[stoic ledge]

Diesel is cheaper here, but tax is twice as high

[chilly hatch]

But aren't they like more emissions so

[stoic ledge]

Depends what emissions

CO2 no, diesel has less

[chilly hatch]

Like co2 qnd co

Acc?

Damn

[stoic ledge]

Stuff like NOx, yes diesel has more

[chilly hatch]

Oh ok

[charred depot]

diesels before like 2014 are banned in city centers here

and petrol before like 2005

[stoic ledge]

Oof 2014

Yikes

[chilly hatch]

Everywhere in My area is powered by nuclear power

So cheap electricity so good for e scooters

[stoic ledge]

It's like petrol 1993 diesel 2004 here

Solar panels so free electricity

[chilly hatch]

Lucky

Solar panels are so expensice here

[charred depot]

has to be Euro 5 or something cant remember the exact ooga booga euro number

[stoic ledge]

Lucky lol we bought them

[charred depot]

think its a different euro number for petrol and diesel

[stoic ledge]

They weren't cheap also xD

[chilly hatch]

Here we have 87 89 92 95 gas

95 gas is so worthless

Same with 92 and 89

[stoic ledge]

Yeah petrol is like Euro2 required, diesel Euro4 or 5?

[chilly hatch]

87 works for every

[stoic ledge]

I think 4 here

Imagine not running your car on 110-115

[chilly hatch]

There is 110 gas...

Wtf...

[charred depot]

well literally gas :^)

not american "gas"

[chilly hatch]

87 gas is enough

[chilly hatch]

LMFAO

Well best gas station for Americans is taco bell

Then the pumps

[charred depot]

Euro 4 for petrol
Euro 6 for diesel
in scottish LEZ

305 is classic exempt though so all good

[stoic ledge]

(LPG = Liquified Petrolatum Gas = RON110/115)

[chilly hatch]

Is it OK to fill a car that says 95 premium gas with 87 gas bc that's what we do with our lexus

[stoic ledge]

I never go to LEZ. Why would I go there

[stoic ledge]

You'll probably loose power

That's mostly it

[chilly hatch]

Oh

I mea

It's an suv so...

[charred depot]

saabs trionic engine managment adapts very well to whatever shite fuel you put in

[chilly hatch]

Not really a performance car

Yo Saab I remember them

They used to be in canada

But not America

[stoic ledge]

They used to be everywhere

Also in America

[chilly hatch]

Acc?

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[chilly hatch]

Why is Renault and Peugeot and stuff not in USA?

Demand?

[charred depot]

peugeot used to be in the US but with poor sales

[stoic ledge]

Because French cars aren't designed with the US market in mind, so nobody buys them which would make it very expensive to get them sold there (need to pass loads of regulatory stuff)

[chilly hatch]

Instead we got crappy dodge and ram

[stoic ledge]

Different tastes/desires/...

[chilly hatch]

Oh

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so we don't have any of those

[chilly hatch]

:|

[stoic ledge]

No Dodge, RAM, Chrysler, Lincoln, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, GMC...

[chilly hatch]

All of those brands are shit

Even ford

Bro the cars are so low quality

[charred depot]

proper waftage

unlike american barge status

[stoic ledge]

Ford is here but with an almost entirely different line of products

[chilly hatch]

Frame shudders and clangs when I'm in my carpool to home

Dodge minvan

[stoic ledge]

Yeah you Americans can't handle the high quality products from France (and yes including Canadana in US)

😛

[chilly hatch]

Fr

Except canada is basically a clone of america

[chilly hatch]

And Mexico!

[stoic ledge]

Ford tried to make "One Ford", so 1 car for every market, but that also didn't work out

VW has some special USDM models like the Jetta and the Passat NMS

US VW's are even lower quality than in Europe, can't imagine how that is

[chilly hatch]

Pmao

Bro I want a land cruiser or hilux so bad

But they aren't here

[charred depot]

dont vw have some suv in the US which is just a rebadged US suv

brand status -100

[chilly hatch]

Pmao

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

Uuuuhm not that I know?

They did rebadge a Chrysler Town & Country to the VW Routan

[chilly hatch]

When I went to Europe there were so many cars I've never heard ov

[stoic ledge]

Or Grand Voyager

[chilly hatch]

I wanted to ride in alot of them

[charred depot]

probably that

[stoic ledge]

Same except trim maybe?

Routan

Grand Voyager

Also sold in Europe as... Lancia

Just like the 300C... The Lancia Thema

200C als the Lancia Flavia

[stoic ledge]

We only have the small Land Cruiser

Only 2.8 I4 diesel I think?

In other markets known as the Land Cruiser Prado

[wispy cloak]

That's a town and country

The grand caravan is the one with the dodge logo

[stoic ledge]

Ah yeah well same car underneath

[chilly hatch]

Ye prado

But still it's sold as the Lexus GX here and that is bad, land cruiser better

[stoic ledge]

[idle birch]

your missing out man

not on much

but still

[chilly hatch]

Holy bro this car sounds like it's falling apart when it's driving, this is why dodge is bad

[wispy cloak]

The Mopar experience

[charred depot]

I like how my main insurance company will allow me to add on a 250hp saab 9-5 aero

50hp peugeot 205 nah nah nah nah

[bitter compass]

That looks not like a vw im confused

Like at least put some effort into rebadging

[dense shard]

Why

They were looking for a quick turnaround on profit

[bitter compass]

Wait

Isnt the sharan about the same size?

[stoic ledge]

Slightly small I think, also too expensive and not too the American taste

Too small engines

etc

[bitter compass]

Hmm i looked it up

Quite a bit smaller

Mulitvan/transporter from that time is the same time

But i think there is something stupid blocking eu manufacturers selling those in the us

[stoic ledge]

Yeah there is

But yeah so all those factors

[lone fern]

i see routans sometimes here in the US

never seen a sharan

[stoic ledge]

Sharan wasn't sold in the US

[bitter compass]

Vw sells different cars in the americas and europe and china

Evn if two models are like almost the same

[stoic ledge]

Yeah European and US Golf's are also slightly different

[bitter compass]

Apparently difference in quality is also a huge issue

[stoic ledge]

Yeah even lower quality than in Europe

Can you imagine

We did have some Mexican VW's in Europe, like the last Jetta we had (only offered here as Hybrid I think?)

I never ever see those anymore

[bitter compass]

Jettas were sold in europe?

[stoic ledge]

Also, the Tiguan Allspace is made in Mexico, difference is noticeable between the regular Tiguan and the Allspace

[stoic ledge]

Yes the Mk5 Golf sedan and the Mk6 Golf sedan were US Jetta's made in Mexico

Mk6

Ah also offered with different engines apparently

[bitter compass]

I know they were sold back in the days were the variant was still called bora

[stoic ledge]

Yes Mk4 Golf sedan

Also a Bora Wagon

Bora Variant and Golf Variant was like the stupidest thing ever

Bora Variant was basically a Golf Variant but with the Bora nose, and only available with higher engines and higher trims

Like, 2.3 V5 Highline

[bitter compass]

The weirdest thing about vw is

Why are they luxury cars in china

While still being the same state as in europe just different models

[stoic ledge]

Are they? 🤔

[bitter compass]

Kinda thats like they are to china what audi is to us but for no reason

They just sell longer cars over there 👀

[stoic ledge]

Yup

Of a lot of cars there's a LWB version

A4 L, A6L, BMW 3er L, 5er L, Peugeot 508 L...

They also made a Passat LWB in the early 2000s, idk if they still do. Very similar to the Superb we had back in the day, which was also basically a Passat LWB, but is was still different

Passat Lingyu apparently

Ok no the Passat Lingyu was the Superb

But there also was a Passat B5L

Europan Passat B5, Chinese Passat B5L and Skoda Superb/Passat Lingyu

Fun little piece of history imho

[bitter compass]

They should pull vw out of some markets and replace it with skoda and the world would have better VW's

And screw seat

[stoic ledge]

Skoda is nowadays the better VW

[bitter compass]

Especially with the newest models

[stoic ledge]

Definitely

[wispy cloak]

What about the a4 b5 😢

[stoic ledge]

No LWB there

The B8 had a LWB

[bitter compass]

I liked the b8

[stoic ledge]

Also fun fact about the B5: longitudinal engine layout but FWD platform

[bitter compass]

But thats just an a6 with less engine

[wispy cloak]

Another fun fact: it's not fun to work on

The a4

Kill me

[stoic ledge]

Ofcourse not, it's a VAG product

[stoic ledge]

The A4?

[bitter compass]

The b8 a4l you send, yes

[stoic ledge]

Uhm, kinda

A6 could be had with almost the same engines

Less wide tho

[bitter compass]

And b8 looked better than c6/c6 facelift

[stoic ledge]

B8 is on the same platform as the C7

And D4 A8

A8 D4 could be had as FWD only with the 3.0 TDI

[bitter compass]

A6 c6 came a bit after the b8 a4

[stoic ledge]

A4 B8: 2008
A6 C6: 2004

🤔

[bitter compass]

Eh i meant c7

xD

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes that came in 2011

😛

A8 D4 came in 2009

So they let the smallest car start of a new platform

[bitter compass]

Now im looking at c7 rs6 again

👀

[stoic ledge]

I think the Chinese VW Phideon is also on it

I actually thought they were quite cool, just because we don't have them

Imagine me thinking a VW is cool

[bitter compass]

W12 Phaeton

Gl with maintenance

But its kinda coolish

[stoic ledge]

Phideon just has 2.0TSI and 3.0V6 TFSI

[bitter compass]

C7 rs6 still 70-80k 👀

Some for 60

[stoic ledge]

For that money I'd rather just get a G31 540i

[bitter compass]

I should stop looking at those

For 80k id get an new alpina b3

[stoic ledge]

Yeah no I can't get that here for that price

[bitter compass]

Look better, are more special

[deep zealot]

for 80K i'd get the G80 M3

alpina B3 here starts at $120K

USD

[bitter compass]

Id say import but i think they just let them produce by bmw now for us market

[bitter compass]

Oh and an alpina doesn't have the g80 front because g20

[stoic ledge]

An M340i already starts at €80k, so I expect a B3 or M3 to be more

😛

[bitter compass]

M340i touring is priced ridiculous

Like 72k

[deep zealot]

Yeah but Im not ready to pay $120K for a 3 series

$80K is already pushing it. even then im only buying it for that sweet S58 engine

M4 CSL released today as well

It's a MONSTER of a car

[bitter compass]

Bmw audi benz and vw are pushing prices into oblivion like everyone does but they're making it kinda extreme

[stoic ledge]

Yeah can't wait for the 150k pricetag on the CSL

[deep zealot]

The pricetag is pretty stupid yep

[stoic ledge]

Wasn't it already sold out?

[deep zealot]

But 7:20 around the nurburgring

That is truly incredible

[stoic ledge]

Okay so a regular M3 was already €135k here

So I can't imagine how expensive that'd be

[bitter compass]

Ouh i don't like the colour with that grill, like the standard colours are alright but that kinda highlights the grill

[deep zealot]

Yeah i was kinda surprised by the muscle design language they used with the accents

reminded me of a mustang lol

[bitter compass]

Then again if id get an m4

Purple

Just purple

It's the best fitting imo

[deep zealot]

I'd just skip the M4 and go for the M3

the G80 design language best suits the M3 imo

[stoic ledge]

M3 Wagon is also coming

Pls gib

[bitter compass]

Moaaar wagons

[stoic ledge]

Wagon > all

[bitter compass]

What happened to the i4

They just through it at people and then I've never heard anything of it again

Dont see them

And im every day in bmw city

[stoic ledge]

They exist

I've seen them also

[bitter compass]

Honestly just sell e30 again

Everyone like normal e30

Everyone like m3 e30

And i want one for a reasonable price 👀

[stoic ledge]

Something like that will never happen again

Won't meet any safety regulations

Also, E30 is quite slow for modern standards

Just an I4

195-200hp?

A 320i is probably faster nowadays

[bitter compass]

Im used to slow

[deep zealot]

They probably got too much hate for it

Take the shit publicity that electric cars already have among enthusiasts and pile on the bad design language

[bitter compass]

Pedestrian safety would kill it, passenger safety would, it probably is too small for most people wanting a 3 series nowadays

Because its like

Really small

Like tiny

[stoic ledge]

I think the i4 is actually received quite well for people who are in the market

People hating on it are people driving a 1994 Civic so BMW doesn't care

[charred depot]

theres enough room without pesky door reinforcment and the sort

[stoic ledge]

All of the above yes

[charred depot]

Not looked at any crash test videos of the 205 yet

70kmh https://youtu.be/uJCm259JspU

[stoic ledge]

Suboptimal

[charred depot]

lol

guess ill die

[bitter compass]

Looks fine

Maybe a couple of scratches

[charred depot]

and thats when they arent rusty

[bitter compass]

And the bit thats bent there will buff out

[deep zealot]

Most of them would just look down and buy an M3P or something instead, here at least

I have not seen a single i4 here, instead the number of M3P's have been out the roof

If it were up to me it'd be the i4 anyway because I hate Tesla with a passion

[chilly hatch]

tf

[bitter compass]

Im still convinced im going to die if someone with a g-wagon hits me in my piece of crap thing thats shouting at the world at 6000rpm with its 3 pot because i drive it like a dick, and that's a modern car, so im with you

[chilly hatch]

that shi crumpled up like a slinky

[chilly hatch]

why

tesla is cool

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so i4 50M starts here at €73k, M3 at €130k. Don't think people will be cross-buying those 😛

[chilly hatch]

excpet for the interior

[stoic ledge]

I'd rather drive a Dacia Spring than a Dacia

[deep zealot]

My bad I should have been specific
M3P = Model 3 Performance

not BMW M3

[deep zealot]

No they're shitty

[stoic ledge]

aaaaah i hate that xD

[chilly hatch]

why

[stoic ledge]

Calling a Model 3 an M3

[deep zealot]

The worst CQ I have ever seen

[chilly hatch]

ok fr fr fr

but its the only good electric car on the market with good range

[stoic ledge]

Tesla is a shite company, no QC, no after care, the CEO is 🤮 ....

[chilly hatch]

LMFAO

mans is so rich he can buy companies ona whim

[bitter compass]

Angry renault zoe fan noises

[deep zealot]

Dont even get me started on Tesla owners

[chilly hatch]

except that is not in na Lmfao

[deep zealot]

They have their heads so far up their asses

[chilly hatch]

💀 💀

[deep zealot]

"Oh look my Plaid can beat your 911 and its a 4 door"
Yeah bud take that shit to a track your brakes will melt off

[chilly hatch]

we might get a tesla bc of gas prices and our lexus is getting rlly old and the spark plugs needed to be replaced like 6 yrs ago

[chilly hatch]

LFMAOOOO

I ACC AGREE

[deep zealot]

They're good for straight lines and straight lines only

Half a straight line actualy

They can't brake

[wispy cloak]

The yoke sucks

[deep zealot]

LOL I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[bitter compass]

I mean there are two people to blame for that, north americans for not liking snall cars and the french for kinda not caring about the us, chose you enemy wisely 👀

[deep zealot]

First car to ever do a steering wheel delete

[chilly hatch]

fax bruh

[wispy cloak]

What's a small car

Never heard of it

[chilly hatch]

i mean in canada there are more hatchbacks and small cars than in us

[deep zealot]

Prius is very popular in the US idk

[chilly hatch]

i go to us and the fatties drive like suburbans and stuff

[chilly hatch]

here most popular car is the kia forte

[wispy cloak]

We aren't all fat

Especially in the midwest

[chilly hatch]

ye ik ik but the fat ppl do

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[deep zealot]

Can confirm

[wispy cloak]

I would say probably 50% or more of the cars on the road around here are trucks, suvs, or minivans

[chilly hatch]

yea

most cars here are sedans or suvs

or hatchbacks

there are still truicks but lesss

also some guys lambo got stolen 💀

i feel bad for the guy

[wispy cloak]

My neighbors have a yukon, explorer, and a jeep suv

We have two minivans and a truck in our driveway

[chilly hatch]

my neibours have a Chevvy equinox, a kia stinger, a kia soul, we have a lexus rx 350 and a camry in our drivway

[bitter compass]

Those lists are so much easier in Germany

Everyone drives a golf

Probably will always be like that

[deep zealot]

Man I want an N54 pretty badly

[charred depot]

💀

[deep zealot]

Tired of 4 cylinder

[stoic ledge]

@deep zealot
Model 3 Performance: €66k
i4 M50: €73k

I'd rather have the i4

😛

[charred depot]

M54 : )

[deep zealot]

I'd also rather have the i4

[stoic ledge]

Or get an Kia EV6 GT for €63k

Both > Model 3

[deep zealot]

anything > model3

[stoic ledge]

Accurate

[deep zealot]

I need them twin turbos

[charred depot]

I dont like modern cars but the Hyundai Ioniq 5.....

kinda interesting

[bitter compass]

I don't like it's size

Make it smaller

Like

[deep zealot]

i thought it was a golf LOL

[chilly hatch]

lmfao

[charred depot]

one can dream

must expand car

[chilly hatch]

expand as far as your wallet allows

[charred depot]

I hate the proportions of that vw id blob shite

[chilly hatch]

considering current gasmarksts

[bitter compass]

I saw it, i thought it looks brilliant and like not bigger than a golf

[deep zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM-CpzWA1qU

[bitter compass]

But no that thing is massive

[deep zealot]

Fun to watch

[chilly hatch]

imagine if automatics revved to 6 then switched

bc i see the cars go to like 2500 then siwtch

[charred depot]

its a bit more complex than that

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[charred depot]

situational

if you are actually going for it an auto shouldnt switch at 2500

[bitter compass]

Dang id kill my car if it switch at 2500 uphill

[chilly hatch]

bruh our car switches at like 2500-3000

[charred depot]

probably will if you are trundling along

[chilly hatch]

i mean we accelerate like idk normally

[charred depot]

:^ |

[bitter compass]

Full throttle and go

[chilly hatch]

we test drove a tesla holy shi is that thing fast

10x faster than our cars at least

[bitter compass]

thats definitely not how i drive that stupid up, and still not break any speed limits if we had them in the first place

[chilly hatch]

lmao

bro european roads are so small

[bitter compass]

They are fine

[chilly hatch]

when we were in spain my parents rented a car and the roads were small asf

no shoulder somtiems 💀

[bitter compass]

They're wide enough for two lorries

Mostly

[chilly hatch]

ig being near most busiest highway has altered my perception of roads

[bitter compass]

Its just people who don't know how big their car is who don't really get that the roads are wide enough

[chilly hatch]

maskes sense

also for some reason the back seat in eu cars have seatbelt snesors

im not even gonna lie i never wear my seatbelt in the backseat

[bitter compass]

But why

[chilly hatch]

because i always lie down in the back

even though im 6' 💀

[stoic ledge]

Oof imagine not wearing a seatbelt

That just.... plain stupid

I actually don't know if mine has seatbelt sensors in the rear

I know my parents car has

[fathom socket]

Lol. My car does not even have any sensors

Or the sensor is broken idk.

[chilly hatch]

i mean i wear a seatbelt in the front seat obv

but not in bck seat

[stoic ledge]

Why wouldn't you?

[stoic ledge]

Only drivers seat I think

[chilly hatch]

i just dont like wearing seatbelts in back

plus i dont think its mandatory in my province

[stoic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/eject-rand-ridley-inside-job-christian-slater-launch-gif-23666354

Fun to headbutt the windscreen

[chilly hatch]

bro i wear a seatbelt in the front seat

but not the back seat

[stoic ledge]

Yesterday some guy here passed as he was not wearing his seatbelt and het ejected from the car

[chilly hatch]

tf

damn

[stoic ledge]

Because in the back seat nothing can happen?

[chilly hatch]

i mean not much can? i got the seats in the front of me

[stoic ledge]

Or you get hit from the side get joinked to the other side that way

Smashing in the a seat also it's fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM

Hmm yeah that looks like fun

Literally squashing the person in front of you also

And then flying through the car

[chilly hatch]

oof that belt looks painful

when it pulls

[stoic ledge]

Way less painful than flying through the car, squashing front seats occupants and being ejected outside if the window

This also looks very comforable

[chilly hatch]

tf...

ok thats true

[stoic ledge]

Yeah the other side which is belted in is doing way worse

[chilly hatch]

hm ye ur right

[stoic ledge]

I mean, I don't care what you do. But it's pretty stupid not to wear one in any seat of a vehicle

[chilly hatch]

that is true

im prolly gonna wear it then

didnt think it was that bad

i thought u would go like in the feet area under the seat

[stoic ledge]

No not really

And imagine the tests above is just at 40km/h

[chilly hatch]

highway crash is prolly worse

[stoic ledge]

Not even that fast

Yeah

Would not recommend

[chilly hatch]

fr

[stoic ledge]

This guy got ejected from a modern E-class in the front seats and immediately passed away, Even tho he had multiple airbags. He just flew through them. That's not a fun experience

[chilly hatch]

damn

[stoic ledge]

All other safety systems are also designed with occupants wearing their seatbelt. Not wearing one will also make those less effective

[chilly hatch]

thats sad

[stoic ledge]

Extremely sad

[lone fern]

please wear a seatbelt. I had a family member who thought they didn’t need to, and was ejected at 80mph onto the highway after rear-ending a car that was slowed down

he didn’t make it

so please wear one, idgaf if it’s “uncomfortable’

[stoic ledge]

I can't do anything without putting my seatbelt on, it's the first thing I do no matter what car/seats/...

[lone fern]

yep. Only time I don’t is when I’m moving my car from the driveway to the side of the street in my neighborhood

[chilly hatch]

ive been convinced already

im gonna wear my seatbelt in the back now

[stoic ledge]

Nice 😎 Smart kid

Well at least now you are one 😛

[chilly hatch]

thing is

wearing seatbelt in the back isnt illegal in my province

[lone fern]

i also wear mine because my truck is horrendous in rollovers and side impacts

yea it’s not required in the us either

but it’s stupid not to

[stoic ledge]

Jumping down 100 stories also isn't illegal, doesn't mean I do that

[lone fern]

a belt burn is better than being dead

[dense shard]

Remember, seat belts aren't mandatory in all states.

[lone fern]

yep

[dense shard]

Or aren't a primary offense in a dozen others

[lone fern]

it’s crazy to think that places that require seatbelts in cars don’t require them to be worn

[stoic ledge]

SO the US needs labels to not put your cat in a microwave, but using a seatbelt nah /care

[dense shard]

There was a lot of really weird politics there

[lone fern]

yep

[dense shard]

Really weird, very interesting

[lone fern]

americans will sue the shit out of everything because money

[dense shard]

You can sue, doesn't mean you will win

[stoic ledge]

Again, idk what you do. But please wear one

[lone fern]

yep

[stoic ledge]

Well you can't sue if you're ejected from the vehicle and died

🧠

[dense shard]

Your estate can

And does

[lone fern]

i mean knowing my country a relative will sue

[chilly hatch]

LMAO

caps

[lone fern]

a lot of the time it’s to cover funeral expenses, but still

[dense shard]

No cap

But if you want to pull legalities on me?

Easy, my car my rules

[lone fern]

i find it hilarious that the owners manual in my truck has a whole section dedicated to disabling the seatbelt alarms

[dense shard]

I invoke the right to remove aux privileges

I don't like speedcore Croatian rap

[lone fern]

i will flip to it when I get out of work and post it here 😂

[dense shard]

lol

[lone fern]

i object

[stoic ledge]