Yes. It will.
#cars
dense shard
viscid atlas
How can you tell tho?
charred depot
if parts are replaced sure, and depending on your annual mileage.
dense shard
Because I care for it, it's a Toyota, and right now I'm willing to put the money into making it run that long.
charred depot
Everything can go forever at a cost
viscid atlas
Ok but at that point you can make an early 2000s S class merc last long too
dense shard
lol at what cost?
viscid atlas
Exactly.
dense shard
Early 00s Mercedes are famous for falling apart.
Toyota is not.
Hell I'd rather get a rusty old Saab before I get a 2000s Mercedes.
viscid atlas
2019, we dont know if they will or wont be known for falling apart
charred depot
ey
dense shard
lol
viscid atlas
Youre working with an unknown
dense shard
It's Toyota. They're products are all known.
charred depot
I prefer 80's and early 90's as they can generally be fixed by monkey brains
viscid atlas
Youd be surprised how many times people have bought products because "the company is good" and gotten Fed over
dense shard
When did a Toyota screw someone over?
Besides the Tundra rusty frames.
And Corolla oil burn issues.
viscid atlas
Toyota doesnt have to have done it specifically, thats not to say it WONT ever happen
charred depot
Even if the engine is strong I had to get a friends 2009 civic going that had a fried fusebox, yes right. And the fuse box is coded to the car.
dense shard
Classic Honda.
charred depot
Had to open up both fuse boxes and swap the eeprom chip over as we dont have the tool to program
dense shard
At least the transmission is good?
viscid atlas
Even if the engine is strong I had to get a friends 2009 civic going that had a ...
Fun ._.
dense shard
I explicitly trust Toyota to get me to a quarter million miles and beyond.
charred depot
its going again now but its stuff like that which makes me hate modern cars
viscid atlas
I explicitly trust Toyota to get me to a quarter million miles and beyond.
Idk. Putting trust basically blindly like that is a bad idea imo.
dense shard
It's not really blind trust.
charred depot
250k miles isnt much on a well maintained car
dense shard
I've done my research, Toyota is a reputable brand, and I have every intention of doing the scheduled maintenance.
viscid atlas
Again, reputable brand means nothing
dense shard
It means a lot.
viscid atlas
It really, really, doesnt
dense shard
How so.
viscid atlas
Take PC PSUs for example.
dense shard
Reputations are earned.
viscid atlas
What is a "reputation", to you?
dense shard
Toyota earned it as Ford earned theres.
Reputation is decades of experience from customers.
viscid atlas
And there are many unreliable fords.
dense shard
If customers have decades of good experiences, it is a good rep.
dense shard
And there are *many* unreliable fords.
Did you know Ford has a poor reputation?
viscid atlas
I dont look into reputations of brands, i look into the reliability of PRODUCTS
dense shard
Just as GM has a poor rep, as does Chrysler, Audi, VW, and Mercedes?
viscid atlas
Do you know why?
dense shard
That's literally how reputation is built.
You look at the fucking products.
Dude, what point are you even trying to make?
charred depot
heres a brand with a reputation, atleast in the old days. over 700k miles
viscid atlas
Yes, but guess what, a brand can be reputable, while one of their products isnt reliable.
And the wise versa is also true.
dense shard
I legit feel like I'm having a stroke.
The Corolla has decades of good following, decades of good engineering, Toyota has decades of experience making a car.
Tell me why I shouldn't trust Toyota with my car lasting a long time.
viscid atlas
Lets take the new gen corsair PSUs for example, theyre all good. Except for the VS series, so because the rest are good, corsair is reputable with PSUs in 2022.
But the VS is horrible
viscid atlas
LMAO ok
dense shard
Why "may" it not.
viscid atlas
Because im simply not from the future.
viscid atlas
Without knowing that model of car hitting that mileage reliably, i wont call that car reliable for thay mileage.
dense shard
Because I can look to the past to make an informed guess about the future.
viscid atlas
You can, it wont be 100%
dense shard
There are Corollas that have hit 200k.
viscid atlas
Cool, they arent 2019 models.
dense shard
They are
viscid atlas
There are OLDER merc S class that are essentially bulletproof
dense shard
There are E210 Corollas that have hit 200k.
dense shard
The platform on which it is based? I imagine there are some cars that have hit 400k by now.
viscid atlas
There are E210 Corollas that have hit 200k.
Out of how many produced did hit 200K?
dense shard
No clue. Not everyone drives their cars as much as others.
viscid atlas
There are people who have been to space, so will everyone be to space?
dense shard
100% of the cars that reached 200k can reach 200k.
dense shard
There are people who have been to space, so will everyone be to space?
Fallacy, not everyone can afford to get into space.
And I'm glad you understand what I'm getting at.
viscid atlas
So is your argument
A fallacy
Because, again, you're not from the future, you cant and dont know if YOUR car will make it to 250K miles
dense shard
So you are saying that I shouldn't trust decades of experience, various anecdotes about my car?
I don't know, sure.
But with the right care it will.
viscid atlas
Decades of experience with your 2019 Corolla, wow
You really do have a time machine
dense shard
No, but Toyota has used their experience to get there.
viscid atlas
With the right care ALL cars can make it to 1 million miles
dense shard
You must be a blast in the boardrooms.
You don't know that.
Or did you change your mind?
viscid atlas
Depends on what you mean by "right care" doesn't it :)
Is the boat still the same boat if every part is replaced?
viscid atlas
So every car, with the "right care" will make it to 1 million miles then
As you can replace every part, multiple times, to make it there.
dense shard
Ship of Thesus doesn't apply to the legalities of registration and insurance.
viscid atlas
Indeed
dense shard
Do you know why Toyota replaced the frames on some Tundras?
viscid atlas
Dude, this doesnt matter, the car in question isnt a tundra
dense shard
Oh but it matters.
viscid atlas
The car in question is specifically a 2019 corolla
Now, DID your 2019 corolla last you 10 years?
dense shard
Yes. it will.
viscid atlas
DID it?
dense shard
Yes.
viscid atlas
Ok, so youre from 2029.
viscid atlas
DID it then?
charred depot
best touch some proper wood not ikea else your corollas gonna get totalled by a truck
viscid atlas
Oh, now you know he will actually total it
dense shard
If it gets totalled that's a different story.
viscid atlas
Because hes making an argument here that he cant actually support
dense shard
What is your argument again?
viscid atlas
That you cannot, with 100% certainty, say your car will last you 10 years, or whatever you said it will.
dense shard
Because I'm pretty damn certain my car can hit 250k barring any unfortunate incidents.
I cannot say it, but what I can say is that my Corolla stands a better chance of doing it than a 2001 Accord.
Or 2019 S class.
viscid atlas
Sure, no one ever said anything against this
viscid atlas
I said, you cannot say, with 100% certainty, that your car is 100% reliable.
Because its literally too new
charred depot
Couldnt say that if it was a 100 years old either
viscid atlas
Of course. But youd actually have numbers in your hand of failed and non failed examples
dense shard
Missing the point I feel.
viscid atlas
I think you are?
You're saying that toyota is reputable therefore your car will last
Im saying reputability hardly matters now because were talking about a specific car.
Reputability of the brand that is
dense shard
I can derive a fairly educated guess about a car's longevity via anecdotes and previous models a company may have produced in years prior.
viscid atlas
You could, and it could literally not matter.
dense shard
This is why we dunk on Nissans of any modern vintage. We have come tot he conclusion their CVTs are hopeless.
charred depot
Imma bail on this highly productive chat and leave you with the best way to ensure reliability.
dense shard
A second engine is good.
viscid atlas
As statistics are funny in the way that, in real life, having a 90% chance to win, and 10% chance to lose, doesnt mean you win because the win chance is higher
@charred depot there was that one mazda someone made for drifting and burnouts with 2 engines
You know 1 engine drives the front, 1 drives the rear, etc
This thing
charred depot
I is only interested in bangernomics
I have my saab as it was going to be scrapped, and the 305 as it runs on veg oil. They both also appeal to my visual tastes.
viscid atlas
Idk, anything thats this weird is inherently interesting to me
bold fossil
vital shore
i know whats wrong with it
ain’t got no gas in it
fathom socket
Honestly automatic transmission scare me
stoic ledge
Obligatory meme
vital shore
An autozam, cuppachino, or beat, would be the only worthy successors to the lambo
If you can find a reasonable one
fair moon
Obligatory meme
Slushbox
fathom socket
When I still drove the daf 106 the automatic gearbox put down shifted to way too high gear when going up hill and started burning the clutch
stoic ledge
It doesn't have a clutch 🤔
bitter compass
Honestly automatic transmission scare me
Honestly driving automatic scares me, because I do it so rarely that i genuinely have to think how i do
civic spoke
wispy cloak
is this camshaft usable?
If there's no pitting you might be able to polish it up
wispy cloak
But if there's pitting it's probably done for
paper kernel
alright thanks
dense shard
wispy cloak
Apparently my audi has a sport package
I thought it was just a special steering wheel but it isn't just that
According to the internet it has
Leather Wrapped Sport Steering Wheel
Sport Suspension
Includes modifications in springs, 30% stiffer shock absorbers, new helper springs and new stabilizer bars. Suspension is lowered by 20 mm.
Wheels: 16" x 7J 10-Spoke Sport
Tires: 205/55R16 High Performance
Nothing too special but I just found it interesting
charred depot
meh I can say for sure there was still depression inspiring autos in the 90's
probably mid 2000's is what id say is the turning point
even on the current year mazdang 2 you are getting better mpg with the manual option which suprised me
vital shore
the cvt in my honda was making a whining noise.
It's around 80k and i'm gonna take it in because I don't know if the transmission fluid has been messed with or changed
I'd say its nice for fuel economy, but that new V6 maserati mc20 they have out now gets similar mpg
Moral of the story. If you have the option of either an auto or a cvt, go for the auto
left mirage
Obligatory meme
at least a dct w/ paddles can be fun
but a cvt
i mean the modern honda ones seem pretty good
but in general they seem kinda just
boring
as boring as a trans can be
also, as someone who just learned stick, its absolutely as fun as everyone makes it out to be
fleet cradle
my dad taught me how to drive stick its fun it feels badass but i still prefer automatic especially since i dont want to add another layer of distraction when i'm piloting a 1000 pound killing machine
civic girder
cvts would be better if they were implemented correctly
with a dedicated 1st gear like Toyota did for the hybrid cvt, and without any of the stupid fake shifting bs
which this also assumes its not designed and built poorly, cough Nissan
aka, just buy a Toyota hybrid
vital shore
I think my honda has a dedicated first gear as well, from what I looked up. It’s been fine, but the other night it felt real weird, and it had a grindy/whiney noise for a bit.
It’s probably needing new transmission fluid
Mines a sport model accord, and honestly, sport mode is actually amazing to drive in
It will accelerate noticeably faster, and the throttle does get more responsive and will rev the car higher
Also the paddles are really cool if you’re goin down some backroads.
It’s just thad drive mode has some acceleration lag, and if you need to accelerate really fast to get on from a short ramp, it can be a little stressful, but it’s nice for cruising
Honda did a surprisingly good job with the cvt tuning, for all it gets crapped on for all i crapped on it
I think most of the bad stuff comes from early cvt tech, and also that whole fiasco with the last gen Nissan lineup
honest elbow
An autozam, cuppachino, or beat, would be the only worthy successors to the lamb...
honda s660 exist
vital shore
I know. But gullwing doors
fathom socket
I only drove Toyota with cvt and I find it better than auto
deep zealot
I drive toyota with CVT and a 3 series with ZHP and the eCVT is so shitty it's painful
it takes 3 seconds for it to get the right ratio
wispy cloak
my dad taught me how to drive stick its fun it feels badass but i still prefer a...
Only 1000 lbs?
Anyhow after driving a manual for a little bit you'll get used to it
civic girder
Also the paddles are really cool if you’re goin down some backroads.
the paddles are really cool if you ignore the fact the transmission doesn't have gears for driving
realistically, they're extremely stupid
civic girder
Fake shifting is dumb and defeats the purpose of a cvt
civic girder
They’re good for gas mileage
how?
a cvt is designed to dynamically vary the gear ratio as speed increases, keeping the engine within it's optimal band.
It is also designed to choose a gear ratio that allows the engine to run in it's most fuel efficient rpm window at speed.
By forcing the engine to vary rpm in a simulation of gears, you hurt efficiency and defeat the entire purpose of transmission with no gears
the dedicated 1st gear is only for starting from a stop. They can only do like 8mph max in that gear. It's designed to reduce stress on the cvt drive and improve reliability; Nissan's CVT doesn't have this, and it's why their non-hybrid CVT cars nuke transmissions every 10k miles
brittle niche
i love kei cars. too bad im a giant at 6'+ and 220 lbs. Those pickups next to it make it look even smaller. so funny.
vital shore
If clarkson can fit in a p.50, there ain't no excuse
brittle niche
facts honestly
brittle niche
If clarkson can fit in a p.50, there ain't no excuse
Doug demuro too. i believe he's at least 6'4." I'd love to try to sqeeze myself into a kei car,
vital shore
a cvt is designed to dynamically vary the gear ratio as speed increases, keeping...
Probably for companies to worry less about the transmissions that they offer. My Accord is a sport model, but I doubt every person buying an accord wants to have that full performance.
That 9th gen was only offered with a basic auto, the cvt, and a manual option
But I don’t think the auto had a way to manually cjange gears
civic girder
How is making the transmission worse allowing the company to worry less
Plus, if the normal auto doesn't have a manual mode that's all Honda's choice. Manual mode has been a thing for a long time
vital shore
Possibly fuel efficiency.
Porches pdk transmission has a faster 0-60 than the manual because of california sound tests
The car industry is weird and there’s always some weird rules ruling what they can do
And priority of efficiency over what’s fun
stoic ledge
Possibly fuel efficiency.
Porches pdk transmission has a faster 0-60 than the ma...
Tbh, X doubt
dense shard
Their PDK is faster because you can't shift that fast.
deep zealot
ZHP torque converters and modern DCTs are capable of shifting much faster than any manual
and peak engineering, kng’s LST shifts faster than anything in the world at like 40-50 ms
7 clutches
deep bridge
Would rotary swapping an FSO Polonez be a good idea?
can I even find driveshaft and rear axle strong enough
(under 200 hp for sure, maybe even around 100)
deep zealot
Unsure but I like the Yae sakura pfp
deep bridge
I don't know you but you just gained my respect
deep bridge
didnt play beta
got back to the game after 2 years, didnt know starrail was a thing
I thought HI4 Odyssey was meant to be next
deep zealot
Fair enough
don’t tell anyone i said this but it’s gonna be open world honkai
deep bridge
how do i get to play beta
deep zealot
does it look like on the gameplay videos or is it different
its changed a fair bit
its a LOT more genshin-y
deep zealot
i dont blame you
cold patrol
Welp, my car was declared totalled so it's CAR SHOPPING TIME.
Looking at the Forester Wilderness Edition and the Bronco Sport Badlands Edition
deep zealot
Welp, my car was declared totalled so it's CAR SHOPPING TIME.
Looking at the For...
Consider BMW
the ultimate driving machine
dense shard
Considering what they're looking at... sounds like BMW is the opposite of what they need.
dense shard
Welp, my car was declared totalled so it's CAR SHOPPING TIME.
Looking at the For...
Could maybe consider a RAV4 TRD.
cold patrol
Could maybe consider a RAV4 TRD.
Those are rad but more expensive and horrible mpg
dense shard
The fuel economy is better for the RAV4.
It's about 3 grand more expensive MSRP
Bronco is slightly cheaper than a RAV4.
And fuel economy for the Bronco Sport with the 2.0T is dramatically worse than either the Forester and RAV4.
dense shard
Those are rad but more expensive and horrible mpg
You can always go for a crosstrek. lol
cold patrol
You can always go for a crosstrek. lol
Oh wait for some reason in my mind I was thinking 4Runner and not rav4
Derp
dense shard
Oh wait for some reason in my mind I was thinking 4Runner and not rav4
oh 4Runner lol yeah.
Fuel economy of a 90s Jeep, and the price of a brand new one.
cold patrol
The rav4 hybrids are super tempting except the stock is non existent in Oregon
dense shard
Your best bet is to order from factory.
hardy hinge
stoic ledge
Your best bet is to order from factory.
Aren't most factory orders also a 1+ year waiting list?
vital shore
My dream car is a rear engined, rear wheel drive wagon from the 70's
lil Volkswagen
or an e30 wagon
both great
bitter compass
my dream car is probably impossible to get even if i had the money
fathom socket
technically my dream car does not exist
bitter compass
Im just another sucker for e30 but its not a BMW :^)
bitter compass
Alpi... Wait that's just bmw in interesting
bitter compass
Is there a Hyundai i30n wagon?
fathom socket
I did like the first gen ford focus
bitter compass
Is there a i30 wagon outside of Europe?
bitter compass
But i agree the world needs more fast wagons
fathom socket
I could technically turbo a first gen focus engine, but it's still a FWD car
bitter compass
There is a single one of my dream car on sale it'd be the perfect one as well but 300k € :(
patent basalt
My e36 did the door panel delete by itself, next level weight reduction
fathom socket
Hopefully nothing will catch on fire
fathom socket
My e36 did the door panel delete by itself, next level weight reduction
My weight level reduction would be
Buy another car
fathom socket
So 2 bmws and a Ford
wispy cloak
The wheels on my mustang are worth more than what I paid for the car
patent basalt
That’s relatable
The wheels on the bmw are with more than the car and all 6 tires on my ford are new and probably worth more than the truck
wispy cloak
4 tires for my truck is like $1000
patent basalt
I did 6 on mine it was around $2200
wispy cloak
Why did dodge feel the need to put such a weird size on my truck
patent basalt
What is the truck?
wispy cloak
2000 dakota r/t
Factory tire size is 255/55r17
I use 255/50r17 because it's cheaper
But the tires that I have now got discontinued
pearl tiger
205/55 R16 here 😄
charred depot
I have 205/55 R16 aswell : ) not meant too though
205/50 would be more correct but more expensive
charred depot
yeah its a common vag size if I recall which makes it cheaper
wispy cloak
If I bought the cheapest garbage tires from discount tire or Costco I could get an entire set for what it costs to get 1 tire on my dakota
patent basalt
I always run decent tires I’m a fan of nitto
wispy cloak
I have federals on the dakota
But they discontinued the street legal 255/50r17
And I have michelins on the audi
Goodyears on the firetruck
fathom socket
when you buy a almost 20 year old shitbox to drive around europe
but I miss having 14 inch rims
could afford at least getting some decent quality tyres
patent basalt
My truck is 30, bmw isn’t much newer and the mini is an 08
stoic ledge
Subaru Impreza Casa Blanca 
Also: 4x Hankook 195/55 R16 is €300 included installation
(buying them online and then installing them at the local garage)
charred depot
Helping a friend buy a car
remote ridge
I was trying to buy a steering wheel from someone and they sucked at messaging, I would just hit them with an offer
flint sable
holy grille
vital shore
Fancy Subie
sudden pecan
i have 215/45r18 and they're pretty pricey 😦
fathom socket
I have 205/55r16 and the cheap ones costed me more than some fancy 185/60r14
deep zealot
Considering an Euro bumper to get rid of that orange mark
patent basalt
Is there a clear replacement for the us bumper?
charred depot
could always sand the reflectors down and use plastic filler then have it painted.
charred depot
not flush 😤
dusk ocean
Nearly invisible once installed
charred depot
maybe on dark vehicles
zenith tulip
Disgusting
stoic ledge
I have 205/55r16 and the cheap ones costed me more than some fancy 185/60r14
205/55R16 is quite cheap as it's one of the most common sizes in Europe
fathom socket
205/55R16 is quite cheap as it's one of the most common sizes in Europe <:PogCho...
But compared to my old ford's r14 and the income i have
vocal mural
Veyron is faster, but Vectron is stronger 🤔
zenith tulip
Less aero dynamics
solemn inlet
Veyron is faster, but Vectron is stronger 🤔
Bugatti also weights like 50x less
stoic ledge
But compared to my old ford's r14 and the income i have
R14's might get more expensive in the near future as 14 is getting less common
fathom socket
R14's might get more expensive in the near future as 14 is getting less common
I think my neighbour couldn't find any new 12 inch tyres for his car
vocal mural
Bugatti also weights like 50x less
But can Bugatti pull 30 fully loaded freight wagons?
vital shore
ay. new toyota just dropped
awd, 3 cylinder, estimated to make 300hp
Hopefully it doesn't end up like the 2017 RS Focus and get marked up and unsellable
Also, they're showing it doing drifty bois in a bunch of the promo shots, so I'm curious if they're gonna try and make it rwd bias
cuz that would be amazing
OOH
IT DOES
The drifty bois should be true
In other news
The Dacia Sandero
vocal mural
@stoic ledge Do you know a website where I can find information on previous vehicles? It doesn’t work on OVI
stoic ledge
Previous vehicles as in vehicles which don't exist anymore/are exported/...
Most of them are still on VWE / Finnik
stoic ledge
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla
Not coming to Europe :(
Not like it would be affordable here,, probably €70k+ 
vital shore
It's supposed to be around $30-$40k
stoic ledge
It's supposed to be around $30-$40k
Yeah the GR Yaris was already €54k here
(60k USD)
So the Corolla would definitely be more
stoic ledge
YOU KNOW OUR PAIN NOW
Not that I care because I can't afford either of them
vital shore
Honestly, if I could, I'd get a 2014 Chevy SS
The fact it took america so long to get a proper 4 door that could haul ass was sad
And it was a rebadge holden with a driver side swap
Yeah
big rip
Actually, it was funny because people would actually get holden badges and swap out the chevy ones up here
Used to have a neighbor with one
I'm just excited for more wagons
yes
well america doesn't really get them because for some reason people are obsessed with crossovers
Toyota even has a new crossover with the most unoriginal name
Corolla Cross
But it's the fact they reused the corolla name for an entirely new lie
line
The thing is that the mach-e looks like that stupid i-pace from jaguar
stoic ledge
Actually, it was funny because people would actually get holden badges and swap ...
Yeah some people here with Opel's get Vauxhall badges and swap them out....
vital shore
and the new kia ev6 looks like the both of them
vital shore
Which is actually smaller than a Corolla and based on the Yaris
At that point, just get a corolla hatch
or a rav4
vital shore
YOu have a corolla wagon?!
stoic ledge
Yes
vital shore
That actually looks amazing
vital shore
no, we've never had the wagon
stoic ledge
no, we've never had the wagon
No I meant the regular hatch/sedan versions
stoic ledge
Yeah but that's the 1.8 Hybrid I assume
stoic ledge
We have hatch and wagon both 1.8 and 2.0 Hybrid
Sedan just 1.8 Hybrid
fathom socket
vital shore
And again, we only get the sedan or the hatch
fathom socket
Finally I've tidied up the wiring
vital shore
ooh
stoic ledge
We don't have the 2.0 Hybrid
Only a 1.2 Turbo for the non-Hybrids
😛
Corolla Sports Tourer is also sold as a Suzuki Swace
stoic ledge
Why the logo lol
vital shore
you can't get a hybrid with the hatchback here
fathom socket
Why the logo lol
I think I've mentioned before that sun reflects from it
stoic ledge
Ah oof lol
fathom socket
Need put black tape
stoic ledge
Mazda 5 was a minivan
vital shore
fat wagon
stoic ledge
Never had a problem with the Peugeot logo reflecting in our 307, but I remember the shifter getting 1000 degrees in summer
You sure it wasn't the 3 or 6?
6 Wagon did exist yes
vital shore
yeah
fathom socket
Never had a problem with the Peugeot logo reflecting in our 307, but I remember ...
Maybe because I drive in mountains and also I have the św version
vital shore
Y'all still getting the mazda 6
fathom socket
So sunroof
vital shore
they took it out of america last year
stoic ledge
Maybe because I drive in mountains and also I have the św version
Ah yes we had the Break
stoic ledge
Y'all still getting the mazda 6
Yes
vital shore
damn
stoic ledge
But only with a 2.0 or 2.5 non-turbo, we don't get the 2.5 Turbo
fathom socket
stoic ledge
Mazda 3 is 2.0 only
fathom socket
I've added cigarette lighter because too far from window
stoic ledge
But only with a 2.0 or 2.5 non-turbo, we don't get the 2.5 Turbo
CX-5 same as this
Those are awesome
But dayum that price
fathom socket
I want to fish high amp wires to the interior of the car, but idk where
vital shore
also, that's still 82k miles
131k km
yeah
still looks amazing
ye
all amazing
stoic ledge
That's never getting sold lol
vital shore
and sadly we can't import anything until it's 25y/o
vital shore
That's never getting sold lol
it might actually
stoic ledge
Looks like they accidently added an extra 6 lol
64990 vs 664990
Yes it's a great car, but it's not that great
vital shore
Holden performance models could easily become collectables in the future
hell, now they're collectable
clearly
civic spoke
vital shore
We did technically get another holden back in like 2006
was a rebadged commodore
if i'm correct
vital shore
This one has 104k miles
The thing is, that was the coolest gm product you can get in america at the time
vital shore
looks like a caddilac
OOH
Those were cool too
but I don't think they were for public sale
we only got those as police cars
but they were cool
if they had their lights off
stoic ledge
Only as PI yes
vital shore
But as I was saying. When we got the 2006 gto, gm had a fwd cadillac, a fwd impala that was stretched with an ls, and the vette
that was it
vital shore
The Camaro wasn't out yet, because it was taken off the market until 2008
oh yeah
ye
But, gm ruined so many companies
They just started sharing so many components rebadging so many things
Saab got fekked over
stoic ledge
Sharing components isn't a bad thing, but rebadging the hell out of it isn't good
vital shore
Saturn just became a way for america to sell Opel's over here
stoic ledge
Saturn just became a way for america to sell Opel's over here
Yeah, and after the got rid of Saturn they used Buick 😛
Like the Regal, Cascade, Encore
vital shore
Oh yeha
Buick is just the cousin who wen to live abroad, and everyone forgot about till some family gathering
Cadillac has some cool things
Their blackwing v8 cars are amazing
Honestly doing what they should've done years ago
stoic ledge
It's amazing how PSA turned Opel around from 20 years of losses to a profitable company within 18 months
Idk what GM was doing
(Probably using the Opel R&D for Chevrolet models to keep their shareholders happy or something)
Pls use an EV
Thnx
🙃
vital shore
GM was just spread too thin honestly. It was Opel, Vauxhall, Holden, Saab, Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer, and Daewoo before they had to sell crap off in 2009
Not including the ones they still have
America doesn't money well
stoic ledge
Hummer is back tho (as a subbrand of GMC)
Daewoo was turned in to GM Korea
And basically sold as Chevrolet's and Holden's
(Chevrolet Cruze, Trax)
bitter compass
I think that will take like 30 years, i believe in hybrids more than EVs
vital shore
I thought Hummer is just a model under gm
vital shore
I think that will take like 30 years, i believe in hybrids more than EVs
If we can get more stuff like the i8 bmw where you can change between full gas and hybrid will be amazing
I ain't sellin my jeep with 14 mpg
it's fun
stoic ledge
Is this... a PHEV?
bitter compass
Laughs in 3-6 liters per 100k
vital shore
5.5 km/l
bitter compass
Buuut not having a speed limit hurts fuel economy
vital shore
i'm sorry the americans use the stupid
vital shore
You just gotta know where the police like to chill
Cops will hang out in this little turnouts usuall
stoic ledge
vital shore
I just slow down around them, also checking mirrors to not get caught
bitter compass
The difference between driving 130 or 170 is like 3-4 liters to me, am i still atupid enough to drive with full throttle for the entire highway - yes
vital shore
That's bs
ha
HGLJKAJ
what
Damn
jeez
I'm looking up stuff, but it's surprisingly difficult to find fines for speeding infractions
Legit, the only thing I can find in my state is how to pay your fines
not how much they cost
i am concern
I gotta admit though, our drivers testing is crap
stoic ledge
We don't have restrictions by law but insurance companies often won't give out insurance on high performance cars and young drivers
vital shore
damn
vital shore
I will admit
stoic ledge
vital shore
$411 seems a little bit low a fine for driving the wrong way on a freeway
like
maybe take away the licence
America doesn't even do many car evaluations
stoic ledge
At 18yo I paid €90/month for my 1.2 Corsa 😛
Now at 23 I pay ~€75/month 🥲
vital shore
and i've seen so many cars with tabs from 2020
stoic ledge
Roax tax?
bitter compass
At 18yo I paid €90/month for my 1.2 Corsa 😛
Now at 23 I pay ~€75/month 🥲
Vw up for the win i paid 450€/year at 18
vital shore
It's fun seeing a car with negative camber on just one wheel
on the freeway doing 70
stoic ledge
License plate is part of the car
vital shore
or the punishment
stoic ledge
bitter compass
But I have to pay €700/year in road tax
Jesus
bitter compass
I pay 50€ in tax a year
vital shore
" No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event speed shall be so controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any person, vehicle or other conveyance on or entering the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to use due care.
It's so fucking vague
stoic ledge
Yeah so we have:
- high road tax
- high insurance
- high purchase price
- high fuel prices
🙃
Gotta love it
We have an emisisons tax which can literally triple the car's price
🙃
Depends on the car really
But like a 1.0TSI Golf already has 5k in emissions tax
🙃
vocal mural
Yeah so we have:
- high road tax
- high insurance
- high purchase price
- high f...
Cheaper than Germany
stoic ledge
Fuel atm? Could be yeah due to the tax reduction
I don't think that's proper pricing
Or that's hella cheap yeah
vocal mural
€1,792 for Diesel
stoic ledge
Paid 2.12 for diesel few days ago
vocal mural
stoic ledge
I better not tell my brother it's now 35c less
vital shore
How the fuk yall livin with that
stoic ledge
He'll have a heart attack
vocal mural
Well, time for a road trip this weekend
vital shore
Damn
stoic ledge
Diesel here is €1.989 at cheap stations? So idk where that 1.792 is coming from
bitter compass
Yeah so we have:
- high road tax
- high insurance
- high purchase price
- high f...
Taxes in Germany are a question mark, like some are a joke others are stupid high
Insurance is alright
Purchase price is on the higher end
Fuel people complain, i complain because i pay 10-20 cents more per liter because I don't live in the city
vocal mural
Diesel here is €1.989 at cheap stations? So idk where that 1.792 is coming from
De Heurne
stoic ledge
Taxes in Germany are a question mark, like some are a joke others are stupid hig...
Idk of every German guy I've ever spoken to it's like €250/year they pay for road tax
Insurance is probably comparable
Purchase price is always higher in 🇳🇱 , DE only has the VAT (which was 19% in DE for some time, idk if that's still the case), ours is 21% + always the emissions tax. SO differences in pricing comparing NL vs DE is 99% of the time just the insurance tax
solemn inlet
But can Bugatti pull 30 fully loaded freight wagons?
bye bye clutch
vocal mural
€1,922 now
solemn inlet
Ayee BT-50 in the back gorund lookin mint
I have a fuel tank
Selling my ute for $25,899 drive away lol
vocal mural
The E10 price is correct shown on the photo
bitter compass
Idk of every German guy I've ever spoken to it's like €250/year they pay for roa...
Taxes over here i literally do not understand, like i pay 50€ a year, my dad pays 250€ for a more efficient car, then idk if it still is like that but EVs/ phev dont pay taxes at all (but they might have stopped that) and whats up with LNG cars idk
solemn inlet
Yup
ONO
I know what I got
That poor D4-D
lmao
Yikes
Thats a pin about to go
Depends what year it is
2006 - 2008 had injector problems
Fair
Bruhh
That clutch is gonna be dust soon lmaooo
I've been driving around town like a grandma in a yaris lately
fuel prices mann
Sounds around right
about*
I shit you not
my injector pump start leaking soon as the fucking prices went up
Use to get 700 - 1000km on a tank
now 300 - 500 if I'm lucky 
ripp
Yup
A car is like your gf
Nice paycheck 👉 👈
Yeah
Honestly without a tune
big tires drink fuel
Thats right
screw that 8/100km
I like the sound
Holy fuck really?
Honestly tho
Some of the WLAT motors can drink like a v8 if the injectors are bad
Ye
Don't even think mine would do 170
rpm would be already redlined
I wonder why
fastest I've been is 234kmh in old mates XR6T
Shits sketch at that speed
Yeah uppa the barra
Send it 👌
Haha
Bet the fuel usage is through the roof lol
Better than me
I use to be able to tow trailers and get that good km
Depends
Whaat
I had to tow 550kg on the back of the tray and another 600kg worth of trailer 300km and I used just over half a tank
Mate
I can't even tow in 5th
Trans will go boom 👌
mhm
Weak 5th gear in mine lol
More of a overdrive gear
not suppose to tow in overdrive apparently
I do on flat ground and if I lose speed just down shift?
Trans hasn't shit itself yet
Send it
idc
its a shitbox
Goes hard tho?
lmfao
sounds like a patrol
Death wobbles?
Really?
Just really light?
LMAO
wow okay
I bet
Better than a 79 shed weighting in at 3 ton lol
Weight reduction right there
I haven't had problems with rust
ashen blade
moved to a new office, now i can watch the rising fuel prices straight from the window in horror 💩
solemn inlet
Old mate I know does beach work
if you just keep cleaning it and getting all the salt off the frame
It'll last
lmfao
that n80 lux getting pulled by the ranger
fucking gold
lmao yikes
I bet
That does look like a lot of fun
I wanna do rainbow beach
Bet that used a fuck ton of fuel
Sand does
Yikesss
Yeah
Beach work does that
Already sending it
Just breaking her in mate
Sounds about right when all those cuts in one video haha
Bahah
That was foot flat?
Fuckkkk
Thats why you needed that speed
Yeah
Shes bogged
To the diffs
stoic ledge
OOF prices of the GR86 have been released for here today: €58.995
Imho you're better off getting the GR Supra for €65995.......
stoic ledge
This is some quality content lol
solemn inlet
Heres my mates lux. 31’s 3 inch lift 
Does alright for a IFS
Hahaha
40psi club
lmfaooo
Those Pajero's are pretty tuff aye
Front piccy for ya
Just Pajero tings
Yeah
Only thing about older diesels
most of them used fucking clutch fans
but
Which is better
Jumpng castle
Starts blowing the rad fan backwards
lmfao
"Everything that could go wrong, did"
eh
I've been running with the check engine light for 15,000km
mint mountain
nice hilux
mint mountain
i payed 10k for a belt driven turbo
mint mountain
going for around 700-800hp
solemn inlet
Just shitbox tings
I've got the pov pack ute
manual windows, no cc, no power mirrors
lmfao
mint mountain
my car is very aussie
mint mountain
maybe
mint mountain
No Maloo or clubsport
i bought it for 12k
solemn inlet
Dang what
mint mountain
it is manual
130k
i am the second owner
previous owner was an old couple
it is also the top tier spec
the ssv line
and it has a few "slight" mods
it has mufflers
it has a full 3" manta stainless system
solemn inlet
manta is the way
mint mountain
one of my neighbours is a highway patrol cop who loves it
mint mountain
This is a summary of my car's mods:
Exhaust:
- 4 into 1 Extractors
- high flow cats
- 3" stainless Catback
Engine: - VCM 883 Camshaft
- ls7 Lifters
- Upgraded valve springs and pushrods
- VCM OTR intake
Misc: - Big brake kit
- 20" forged rims
- Upgraded clutch and gearbox
solemn inlet
Least you aren't a V6 idiot with 3" and stickers all over it Woodsy
I respect you for that
mint mountain
Least you aren't a V6 idiot with 3" and stickers all over it Woodsy
i wouldn't be caught dead with a straight piped v6
i can just hear the sound of the red p plater in their natural habitat
mint mountain
the only good v6 commodore that sounds decent straight piped is the l67 equipped ones
solemn inlet
Hey thats just our culture
mint mountain
the only thing you hear in the night air is the sound of someone redlining the shit out of a Harley or some p plater in their first rwd car doing a skid
tell me i am wrong
mint mountain
hearing the tire screech followed by a bang then silence
mint mountain
i had a p plater in a v6 ve try to race me
nah, he got his picture taken from the back of a ute parked on the side of the road
mint mountain
even more funny was another time, i was at a set of lights when this v6 ve pulled up next to me and the girl in the passenger seat said she liked my car while here bf was next to her
the dude looked sooo embarrassed
mint mountain
AU FALCON?
an au that still has it's stock exhaust?!?!
solemn inlet
an au that still has it's stock exhaust?!?!
fresh speccy AU
not a skid pig
When??
Ripp
Crowbars fixes those problems
Or grinders
Not a issue if the issue isn't there lol
🤌
mint mountain
why not just remove the door altogether?
mint mountain
Weight reduction 101
is that why p platers remove the whole exhaust?
weight reduction
mint mountain
i am on my full
charred depot
No P plate shenanigans in the UK, must suck
mint mountain
i had the car while i was on my reds
charred depot
christ theres levels
mint mountain
since i live in the state with little to no p plater restrictions
solemn inlet
LMAO
mint mountain
WA
mint mountain
i could drive a Veyron if i wanted to
solemn inlet
What?
mint mountain
as long as it had p plates
charred depot
relocate to britin, we drive on the same side thats basically the only similarity.
mint mountain
relocate to britin, we drive on the same side thats basically the only similarit...
don't you have speed cameras every 30 cm's
solemn inlet
1mm
charred depot
They legally have to tell us where they are so if you get caught you are just a dosy fucker
even the mobile ones they have to tell us the locations
solemn inlet
"Every grain of road you touch is watched" - UK
mint mountain
WA has a whole total of 12 speed cameras
charred depot
here I think the punishment is worse for failure to identify
charred depot
here someones always accountable I believe. no cheeky ways out
solemn inlet
Roads laws here are pretty cooked
charred depot
the fines are nothing here compared to the ass fuckery you will get from insurance
charred depot
Well here you have to declare everything down to a sticker to your insurance or risk being banned from driving
charred depot
10mm wider tyres increases your insurance price here
my uprated brakes put my insurance up
charred depot
yeah
solemn inlet
thats really cooked
charred depot
because anyone with a modified car is a lunatic
solemn inlet
??
charred depot
if you get pulled over and they find out you have undeclared mods you will be banned from driving for a year or two
solemn inlet
We have new cameras that look for phones and seat belts
Straight up 1k fine no questions
phone in hand of course
charred depot
and if you crash into someone you are mega fucked
charred depot
I start deep frying at 18C
charred depot
we generally dont claim off insurance here as its not worth it
money deals are done by sane people
solemn inlet
Ah fuck those kagnaroos on the road again
Thats why I wanna get a bullbar
Sure if I hit a cow my frames fucked
charred depot
I had one deer run out yesterday and was going to keep flooring it then my brain engaged and went oh yeah there is probably more.
charred depot
someone hit my car in a parking lot and caved in their wing, my saab is unscratched.
charred depot
my car has a tonne of support under the radiator so would probably be fine
the central jacking point is actually directly under the radiator
solemn inlet
My intercooler sits low
Yeah crash bar
Intercooler on the older Ranger/BT's are shit tho
civic spoke
I was about to say that I was having a Dejavu moment.
solemn inlet
they heat soak