cars

[stoic ledge]

I mean I thought it was quite a nice design back in the day

[civic spoke]

For me. Then peak EV is probably Taycan wagon.

[viscid atlas]

design looks wise is one of the best ever

i wouldnt get a taycan, at that point id rather get an actual porsche

which, well, i already have

[stoic ledge]

Taycan would be the only Porsche which would make sense buying here as there's no emissions tax on them

[viscid atlas]

you dont buy a porsche cus it makes sense

[stoic ledge]

Sport Turismo is the best looking one of the Taycan range yes

[viscid atlas]

at that point just buy a nissan or something

[stoic ledge]

Imagine buying a Nissan makes sense

[viscid atlas]

or literally anything cheap

[stoic ledge]

Idk I'm not a Porsche guy, if I'd be at that price point I'd get an Aston Martin or something

[viscid atlas]

i considered an aston

over my 911

but meh, not worth it

not as comfy nor as sporty

[stoic ledge]

But if I'd get a Porsche it'd probably be a Taycan Sport Turismo

GTS

But then I'd rather get a Lucid Air and a 2nd fun car on the side

😎

[viscid atlas]

yea tho im not getting an EV

if i do EVER get an EV it will be a karma, because that is the only one thats design actually looks nice

theres atleast 10 cars id rather have before that

[stoic ledge]

Isn't the Karma a PHEV?

[viscid atlas]

ye

has an inline 4

[stoic ledge]

GM 2.0 Turbo iirc

But didn't newer models get an BMW I3?

I3 is in inline-3, not the BMW i3

[viscid atlas]

it doesnt have newer models, those are reveros

karma revero isnt fisker karma

different brands

[stoic ledge]

Yeah sure, different brands, but basically same car

[viscid atlas]

a lot of internals are wastly different

thats kind of like saying the Venom GT and the Lotus Exiege is the same car

because they use the same chasis

[stoic ledge]

Yeah because the original wasn't that great quality wise

[viscid atlas]

original had a lot of design mistakes

that can easily be fixed after market

which is why theyre way cheaper than reveros

also apperantly early reveros also had 2.0 I4s

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I know, that's why I said later models Like 2020 or something

[viscid atlas]

yea tho, i have way many, other cars id rather get before i got an EV

[civic spoke]

Okay. Nice. I just called and I don't have to do a new course or anything for the work competence stuff.

An EV is a great second car, for daily driving.

[viscid atlas]

id rather burn fuel for daily driving aswell.

i enjoy driving my 911 daily, an EV wont replace that

[stoic ledge]

I'd rather shift my own gears, after that I might just as wel get an EV

[civic spoke]

That's me also.

[viscid atlas]

i use manual always

the closest ill get to an auto is a DCT

like maybe i could get an NSX if i can afford it later

that would maybe be able to replace my 911 and be a "greener" car

[stoic ledge]

[viscid atlas]

speed wise, its meh

maybe it could be boosted

[stoic ledge]

I've never seen one of those IRL

[viscid atlas]

i have at a mall

i really liked it

the looks and comfort inside

[civic spoke]

2nd Gen NSX?

[viscid atlas]

but its not worth the price

new gen

[civic spoke]

I'm not sure how friendly those are to work on.

[viscid atlas]

so i guess 3rd, unless youre clumping the pop ups ones together with 2000s ones

you used to be able to get them for like 110K, now theyre like 150K

[stoic ledge]

That's just a facelift, not an entirely new car

[jovial mauve]

manual

[stoic ledge]

Manual > all

[viscid atlas]

not driving a manual is the same thing as driving a cozy coupe

[jovial mauve]

nice joke

[stoic ledge]

Even Wikipedia says 2 generations 😛

[viscid atlas]

fair enough, i thought it had some other changes than facelift

i like the pop up ones, the facelift not so much

[stoic ledge]

Very possible it also had mechanical differences yes, but that's not uncommon with a facelift

It apparently improved the drag coefficient

[viscid atlas]

not surprising with getting rid of pop ups

but if youre getting a classic like that i dont think drag coef should be a concern XD

[stoic ledge]

They probably didn't know they were making a future classic 😛

The new one will also be a classic

Nobody bought it

[viscid atlas]

lmao

when i have the capital, if i see a gallardo coupe with a gated shifter, i will definitely get it.

[stoic ledge]

[viscid atlas]

its like the one car ive always wanted

[stoic ledge]

For me it's the 2008-2012 DBS manual...

Not that I can afford it

But damn that's a great looking car

[civic spoke]

Two generations of the NSX.

[civic spoke]

I kind of rather have the R8 with the gated manual.

Even though they are the same platform.

[stoic ledge]

I also like the new one (DBS Superleggera) but automatic 👀 Now I wouldn't complain if I could get it, but the 2098-2012...

[viscid atlas]

so youd rather have a worse looking gallardo with a gated manual

dont get me wrong, i love the R8, but its literally just a worse gallardo

looks wise

@stoic ledge aston are cool and all, but id rather a bentley continental GT

[civic spoke]

That's why I like it.

[viscid atlas]

its basically a gallardo in a business suit

which, well, yea its very cool

not my thing tho

i can certainly see why someone would like it more tho

[stoic ledge]

Nah I'd rather have an Aston 😛

[civic spoke]

Tru that.

[viscid atlas]

i mean i like the R8 too XD

[civic spoke]

Matt Farah did a manual swap for his Aston.

[viscid atlas]

i like Astons too, just not as much as Bentleys

if i had an english accent i wouldve probably stretched for a continental GT instead of my 911

just for memes

[civic spoke]

The cars that Farah has is pretty damn good.

What they all have in common is also that they are all manuals. Apart from his EV.

[stoic ledge]

Manual EV when

[civic spoke]

Eh. Those are terrible.

Because of how much torque you have. They don't really need the gears.

[stoic ledge]

I know

But it's fun

Journalist really liked the manual conversion Manta

Which still had the original gearbox

[fathom socket]

it's scary do drive without a valid insurance

[stoic ledge]

It's not something I'd recommend doing no

[dense shard]

Elon Musk: Tesla aims to complete Cybertruck development this year for production in 2023

https://flip.it/XK5tBk

[stoic ledge]

So all that hype years ago only to get beaten by GM (Silverado EV, Hummer) and Ford (F150 Lightning)

Also "hopefully", so nothing definitive yet

Still curious to see the changes they had to make to make it road legal

[dense shard]

Rivian and Ford 100% beat

[high sage]

I like Teslas but most Tesla owners are elitests who think their car is actually clean lol

I'd def own a Tesla if I could ever even afford one

[viscid atlas]

I dont lmfao

I can afford one, and I say fuck that XD

Literally trash quality

[high sage]

fair

most new cars are trash quality sadly

I'm trying to save for a crown vic lmao

[viscid atlas]

Crown vic is based

I wouldnt buy one, because im just into supercars and euro sports cars. But hey, i aint judging someone for wanting a crown vic

If you can find a cop spec one get that @high sage

Better running gear etc

Those dodge charger cop cars are also decent tbh

[high sage]

yeah if I could find a P71 interceptor with low hours (mileage doesnt mean shiton cop cars, it's idle time for these) I'd totally buy one

crown vic with a manual swap and simple mods makes it a 4 door mustang

[wispy cloak]

Bot censored me for no reason

I was trying to say that I would get a crown vic because chargers are more likely to blow engines

And are also just worse quality in general

[vocal mural]

Well, censoration is prohibited

[wispy cloak]

The bot apparently likes dodge

[bitter compass]

Has europe decided yet if its even allowing the cybertruck or did they just end its life at the pedestrian safety?

I mean trucks in europe don't sell that well anyways but some people probably gonna want that for some reason

[charred depot]

People in Europe generally buy them for a purpose other than muh truck

[brittle niche]

Dodge Charger Pursuit you say?? Oh boy do I love mine. V8 and AWD with the current bodystyle is fantastic. I had a Vic previously and it was an amazing first car.

[viscid atlas]

Theyre cool

I wouldve gotten one, but im not a fan of 4 doors

AWD and V8 is very cool tho

[brittle niche]

yup. police only option

[viscid atlas]

AWD with a hellcat would be crazy

[brittle niche]

I would love to see that

[viscid atlas]

Although theyre bound to be landyachts, but still

Good straight line

[brittle niche]

the pursuits handle like they're on rails

[viscid atlas]

Im very used to my 911s nimbleness, so idk

[brittle niche]

I took a decently somewhat tight turn at 110 and it was pretty much flat throughout the turn.

it definitely doesn't handle like a sports car but for a massive boat of a car, it's excellent

[brittle niche]

Get a 2010 or a 2011. They have the least amount of problems. I had a 2010 and I had absolutely no regrets for the 3 and a half years I had that car. Just did oil changes and that was it. Never needed any major services. I believe that the Vic is pretty much the best car ever made and any other Fords that share that old modular V8.

[brittle niche]

Goonzquad on YouTube put a procharger on a Hemi AWD Pursuit.

[viscid atlas]

Very fun

[high sage]

noted thanks

[bitter compass]

People who use trucks for their purpose in europe get a hilux others might not even exist

[viscid atlas]

I could draw better trucks when i was a kid, a 5 year old designed that stupid shit

[civic spoke]

Thanks for reminding me about how awful the Cybertruck is.

[stoic ledge]

Cybertruck or Hilux?

[viscid atlas]

@stoic ledge cybertruck

Hilux are ok

I guess

[civic spoke]

Why wait for the Cybertruck, when you can get a Hummer or Rivian?

[stoic ledge]

Because Lord and Savior Elon

[viscid atlas]

Or like, just get a used silverado

Or whatever else truck is cheap

Its a truck, not a luxury sedan or a sports car

[stoic ledge]

Well have you seen modern trucks? More luxurious as luxury cars nowadays

[civic spoke]

Oh, right. The F150 Lighting is also a thing.

[stoic ledge]

Yup

And there's also a Silverado EV coming

[civic spoke]

Tesla really dropped the ball on the Cybertruck.

[stoic ledge]

They didn't drop the ball, they threw the ball and smashed the window

[bitter compass]

But he can't do any wrong, he god he is gonna safe us all und get us to the mars and safe the earth with EVs
Is it time for a sarcasm sign?

[stoic ledge]

https://c.tenor.com/7m_50AL8cv8AAAAM/elon-musk-digibyte.gif

[bitter compass]

Piech was at least openly an a-hole

With his crazy ideas

I want musk to fail horrible but tesla succeed without him

[civic spoke]

At this point Tesla will succeed even if they aren't producing cars.

All they really need to do is keep producing batteries.

[stoic ledge]

Aren't they now also purchasing other batteries for their SR?

[dense shard]

Yes

BYD got their backs

LFP is the next big thing

[stiff burrow]

Tesla would be better off just producing batteries and motors, they aren’t very good at making cars

[stiff burrow]

My “when I have enough money” car is a ‘70 Chevelle SS 454 with matching engine/transmission. Those matched cars are so expensive but I want an original one

[vocal mural]

BYD is crap

[blazing tide]

um, the difference is uncanny

[viscid atlas]

For classics i would love a 71' riviera

[vocal mural]

@stoic ledge From 1/4 LPG will be cheaper with €2,22 for 45 litres

Source: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2022/03/17/verlaging-brandstofaccijns-gaat-ook-gelden-voor-lpg-en-lng

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but the average LPG car doesn't even hvae 45L

The petrol tank is 45L in mine

LPG 42L with a 80% limit so ~33L you can actually use

But €2.20/45L = 4.888888c/L

So 🇧🇪 is still less expensive for me 😉

[cunning plinth]

HAAS P5

[fathom socket]

My 307 takes 60 l
I was thinking converting it to lpg

Wish my focus didn't break down, but it still went without a cylinder

[stoic ledge]

Is the 2.0 capable of LPG? I think so?

We had quite some 1.6 16v on LPG back in the days

[fathom socket]

I remember a taxi driver had one with like 500k on

Also drinks quite bit of oil

[stoic ledge]

[bold fossil]

Strongly considering buying this BMW. I’m worried though about the fact that it is a BMW. Anyone have advice? Looking for as much advice as I can get as this would be my first car...

[high sage]

My friend has a 2011 BMW M3 328i and it has been a moneypit so I mean idk

and I mean moneypit by breaking the engine to the point it dies

[bold fossil]

Oof

[high sage]

though him and his friends are all tuners so that could be why

His other friend with an M3 330i (I think that is the name? Has the V8) Litterally blew up the engine

[bold fossil]

I’ve heard that the z4s engine is pretty reliable, but I’m not sure if that was just in comparison to other bmw engines

Or not

[high sage]

yeah the 3.0i is a good engine

that car has low mileage too so it probably isn't beat to shit unlike every M3 in existence

BMW's are also hell to work on because european

unless you live in europe

[bold fossil]

Yeah that’s one of my biggest worries

[high sage]

As my friend says, BMW=Break My Wallet

[bold fossil]

I’m out in Hawaii where we got less access to parts and services 😐

[high sage]

yeah I would suggest finding a domestic US vehicle. Probably still expensive in Hawaii but should be less

[bold fossil]

The market is terrible

[high sage]

Is it like your first car or not your first one?

[bold fossil]

First one

[high sage]

yeah no don't buy any BMW for a first car

They are very high maintainance

[dense shard]

Just get a Civic

[high sage]

civic insurance tho. Accord

[dense shard]

Or Accord

[bold fossil]

I’ve seen a few Honda civics that are around the same price point but they generally have way high miles. To be fair though they’d last way longer

They sell so fast tho

[high sage]

honda civic will outlive all of us

[bold fossil]

If I’m lucky I’ll find another 2016+ civic

[high sage]

You don't really need a car that new

though that's my opinion

[bold fossil]

I don’t but I like that they have the gear and the cvt trans

[high sage]

Idk how honda CVT's are so I can't say anything about that

[bold fossil]

From what I’ve heard, they’re super expensive to fix but easily last 200k+ miles

[high sage]

damn

[bold fossil]

Also that fuel economy... like 35mpg combined

[high sage]

I'm just trying to aim for a ford crown vic and doing a manual swap

though crown vic gas money...

[bold fossil]

Lol

How much is gas where u live?

[high sage]

probably could get better mileage on a 5 speed manual than the 4 speed auto it comes with LMAO

[vocal mural]

In the Netherlands BMW stands for Blote Meiden Wagen

Naked Girls Vehicle

[high sage]

last week the cheapest around town was 4.19 for regular

[high sage]

lmao

man if the oil companies don't release a good biofuel soon we all fucked

[bold fossil]

They need to hurry up and release oil 2

[high sage]

yes

[fathom socket]

I'm still trying to understand how is a 1999 Renault twingo cost almost twice more than a Peugeot 307 SW

[stoic ledge]

Literally never heard that lol

Boeren Mest Wagen (Farmers Manure Vehicle) or Blik Met Worst (Can of sausages)... yes 😛

[fathom socket]

or I got a good deal

[stoic ledge]

Imagine not paying 11USD/gal 🥲

[fathom socket]

11? that's cheap.

I've seen petrol for 13USD/gal

[stoic ledge]

The thing is, BMW's aren't all that bad as some say. It all stands however with maintenance... which might be slightly higher/more frequent than the average car.... but many who buy such a car can barely pay for it anyways, let alone maintain it.... so maintenance/repairs get postponed and it all just goes downhill from there 😛

[stoic ledge]

OOF

[fathom socket]

or 2.60 eur per liter

[stoic ledge]

That's €3/liter?

Wait one of us is doing the maths wrong xD

[fathom socket]

maybe'

[charred depot]

remember us gallons 🗿

[fathom socket]

isn't it 2.86usd*4.54609liters?

[charred depot]

thats uk gallon

[stoic ledge]

€2.60/L = 2.86USD
1 US Gal = 3.785L

3.785 * 2.86 = 10.82USD/gal

[charred depot]

us is 3.785

[stoic ledge]

Yes that's UK gal

[fathom socket]

oh damn

there are 2 different gallons?

[stoic ledge]

Imagine their being a gallon

And then there being another one

Which aren't the same

🧠

Yeah UK != US gallon

🧠

[charred depot]

its why our cars appear to have way better MPG

[fathom socket]

then screws me

2.60 eur per liter In italy I saw

good thing I did put a full tank for 1.64 chf per liter in switzerland at a random gas station

I wonder why it was so cheap

[charred depot]

spicy water

our fuel duty got cut by 5p and prices are down 6p

how about we cut fuel duty by 40p : )

[fathom socket]

I miss my LPGTQ+ Ford focus

at least it was fun to drive

[charred depot]

should have stuffed it into the back of one of your truck loads to the UK secretly. put a new engine in it for you

[stoic ledge]

LPG is also close to 1€/L now in 🇧🇪 , NL it's close to €1.20

[fathom socket]

that's how much petrol costs in poland

[stoic ledge]

Fuel bill is trice as high now 😅

[charred depot]

its like 80p here last I checked, but theres like one place you can get it

for me

[fathom socket]

I remember how I needed to run to petrol stations just to get an adapter in NL and DE

[stoic ledge]

NL uses bajonet

DE uses Europe adapter

So does BE

[fathom socket]

IDK how it's called the one in poland

Switzerland seems to be using the one we use in poland and in germany

[stoic ledge]

I have 3: bajonet, Europe and Italy

[stoic ledge]

Same as Germany is same as Belgium I think, so the Europe adapter

[pearl tiger]

Current prices

le germany

Autogas is LPG

we rarely have CNG here

[fathom socket]

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CBBJCF/refuelling-fuelling-of-lpg-liquefied-petroleum-gas-autogas-by-lpg-CBBJCF.jpg

something like this

I think

[stoic ledge]

I love that Germany still has super

Regular 95 without the E10 BS

[pearl tiger]

Super is 95 E5

[stoic ledge]

That's the dish adapter I think, so the same as Italy

Yeah I know, so the proper regular petrol

Not the E10 BS

[pearl tiger]

i like that the "super" from lux is 98 😄 and the e10 is 95 only

[fathom socket]

that we use in poland.
Also then I can guess why they have both the EU and the Italian dining Plate

[stoic ledge]

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Chile, Germany, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States of America

Denmark, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, United Kingdom

[pearl tiger]

man i wanna work on my car but i got my test today and im positive

screw that

[fathom socket]

then fail the test

what did you send?

[pearl tiger]

well covidtest sadly

[fathom socket]

I never got covid somehow

[stoic ledge]

Albania, Algeria, Austria, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Greece, Hungary, India, Italy, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Moldova, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey

[fathom socket]

even when I drove in UK

[stoic ledge]

There

[fathom socket]

what it triggered?

[stoic ledge]

3 countries in the original list triggered the LMG Warship

[pearl tiger]

probably the two current fighting ones

and 1 additional

[stoic ledge]

Those are 2 of them yes 😛

And the country North of Albania

[pearl tiger]

ytho

[fathom socket]

but now

[stoic ledge]

I'll DM it

[fathom socket]

where we will get the LPGTQ+ gas now?

[stoic ledge]

👀

[stoic ledge]

Anyway this is what Poland uses

I've never used that one before

[stoic ledge]

I basically use this one all the time in BE or DE

Removing that adapter actually hurt me once tho

But I can't upload a picture of it as it also gets censored

[fathom socket]

lol

[vocal mural]

You mean Bier Met Worst?

[stoic ledge]

Also possible yes

[bitter compass]

Bayerischer Mist Wagen

Which us the most accurate because bmw is bavarian

But it kinda gets lost in translation

Dung truck != Crap car

[vocal mural]

?

[bitter compass]

angry Bavarian noises What is this crap!
Even tho i can't stand any beer it all tastes stupid

[distant pawn]

car

[vocal mural]

Bavaria is crap indeed, still better than Heineken
||Grolsch is king||

[bitter compass]

I have no idea, all I know growing up in this state while disliking beer is a pain

In any other way im a good bavarian, publicly not liking BMW but in reality liking some of them a lot and disagreeing with germans about useless stuff

[sand obsidian]

Bavarians do tend to disagree with Germans a LOT xD

[vocal mural]

And I am in a area that wants to join Germany

[violet bay]

Delete that theres your adress

[pearl tiger]

That's the address of the gas station

[vocal mural]

It isn’t his address

It is of the petrol pump nearby

[violet bay]

Still its personal information I reccomend deleting it but your choice

[vocal mural]

I haven’t been in Germany in a while, despite living near the border

23 min

[pearl tiger]

dude i could say i live near the nürburgring racetrack and that would be more precise than that address

[haughty ridge]

Grolsch!? You mean Hertog Jan

[pearl tiger]

Bitburger is better

[stoic ledge]

While I agree with the first sentence, I must disagree with the second sentence

[vocal mural]

On my way home actually, still same min

[vocal mural]

Krombach er

[pearl tiger]

nu

[vocal mural]

Hertog Jan is for cows

Made of maize

[haughty ridge]

Still has a better taste than Grolsch

[vocal mural]

No way

[haughty ridge]

But honestly Belgian beer>everything else

[vocal mural]

Danish beer

[haughty ridge]

Except for Weiss bier on a warm sunny day at a cafe outside

[vocal mural]

Tuborg or Harboe

[pearl tiger]

on sunny day i prefer Radler 0,0

😄

[haughty ridge]

Haven't had Danish beer, but I have tried some Swedish beers

[vocal mural]

Radler is for children

Like flugel, it is made for children to become addict to alcohol

[pearl tiger]

i regulary drink radler

[vocal mural]

But let’s go on topic now

[pearl tiger]

cuz im always driving

[stoic ledge]

Hertog Jan is the superior Dutch beer yes

Combined with Alfa

[stoic ledge]

Also agreeing here

[haughty ridge]

Yeah, alfa is also good. Unfortunately almost no bars have it on tap

[vocal mural]

Only non Swinckels beer

[civic spoke]

I want to get new tires and rims for my car.

Current summer setup has a whack offset.

[vocal mural]

I want to get A code 80

= driving motorcycle with max 23kW and then after 2 years the same as A

Works only for young people under 23

[civic spoke]

I'll make sure to get an A license in due time.

[vocal mural]

I am actually thinking of buying brand new Honda CB125F

Fuel consumption of 1,5L/100km

I hate taking bus and wait every day

€3349 is worth the investment

Travelling 70 km a day from and to college and work is a lot

[civic spoke]

Yeah. That's quite a distance.

I guess you can also look at the Grom/MSX125

[vocal mural]

800km for €23 is quite cheap

11L fuel tank

[civic spoke]

And then you have me. Who usually do ~700 km's on 55~60 liters.

[opal jolt]

I think the quality issues are all to blame on one of their factories, the one in California, USA, since its an old factory that's wasnt even designed for EVs.

The reason I'm saying this is because cars made in their other factories (China and Germany) seem to have much better build quality.

I mean in their California factory they literally build cars in tents because it's not big enough

[stoic ledge]

Germany started literally days ago so we shall see

[paper kernel]

"you drive a chinese car"
like bro thanks for reminding me i almost forgot i do

[mortal lake]

yall like my lambo (2018 huracan super performonte)

[charred depot]

uwotm8

[jovial mauve]

Grolsch all day

[opal jolt]

Yeah it could change as they make more cars, but China has been running for like 2 years and the quality control is still decent (compared to the California version at least).
Who really knows with Tesla, I guess we'll find out if they can finally build cars in a few months.

[dense shard]

I know technically own a porsche.

Can seat at least 4 people, flat six, AWD, and has a timelessly questionable design.

[remote ridge]

That could also be said about a Subaru

[dense shard]

And if I hadn't mentioned AWD it could have been a Corvair.

Tho RWD air cooled cars could imply Skoda or Tatra.

Yes, I own an Outback now.

[fair moon]

RWD air cooled can also be a Porsche or an old fiat

[dense shard]

Amusingly the Corolla remains the car with the most gears in my fleet

[remote ridge]

Dont the new ones have a 10 speed auto

[bitter compass]

Oh yeah that topic everyone kinda forgot about

Im kinda wondering what happened to the issue of not enough water for that area

[shut violet]

I think mine was made in the Netherlands but I’m not sure

[vocal mural]

Only Mini is made in the Netherlands

By VDL

[crisp cedar]

Is it time to drop 3k on turboing this?

[covert karma]

When you live your discord name

[fathom socket]

There's a turn under my home that makes my car display no oil pressure for some reason for a split second

I hate chrome

Blinds me on certain angles

[bitter compass]

Why the tape on the badge

[civic spoke]

Read the comment above.

[timber oar]

Just close your eyes it won't blind you

[vocal mural]

Because he hate Peugeot

Use a heating gun to remove it, glue cant resist heat

[tribal heron]

Remove it

[viscid atlas]

this is just too stereotypical outback

[charred depot]

The L200 my friend sold quickly met its end with the new owner

[fathom socket]

honestly it doesn't look that bad., but I guess the suspension is fucked

and streering rack

[charred depot]

They arent worth that much so theres no reason for anyone to put in the effort

[dense shard]

Mine is a manual

[fathom socket]

honestly Mitsubishi is a rare sight

the Mitsubishi I see in the wild are Air Conditioners and COLT

[charred depot]

This was the 305 estates condition I want to buy in 2018

It only needs an engine and a wittle bit of welding

im a sucker for lost causes

[cursive nest]

And a new body it seems

[charred depot]

nah

[covert karma]

Nah, it's not lifted with mud tires lol

[viscid atlas]

@covert karma fair

[covert karma]

It used to be offroaded though lol

Same car

[vocal mural]

Just a random photo of some highway signs

[dense shard]

This might be one of the more real automotive design insights. One Mercedes should listen to

[bitter compass]

Hmmmm

Shelby cobra has curved lines

And I don't think there are many who call those ugly

[remote ridge]

I like curved lines but boxy designs have their place too

[dense shard]

No one called em ugly, but Giugiario is famous for his designs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgetto_Giugiaro

What is fairly amusing is this is the same guy who designed the VW Golf... but also Lexus GS, all of Daewoo's last run of designs, and arguably one of the most recognizable cars ever made.

The Eagle Premier DeLorean.

And the second funkiest subaru ever. The SVX

[cunning plinth]

Checo P1

[civic spoke]

<@&750150305383186585> Anyone of you want to take care of this?

Sorry for pinging you guys. @lyric tulip @rugged forge

[trim gate]

The first being the 1995 Subaru Outback I assume

[dense shard]

nah, XT

[dense shard]

That's not very funky tho

The first gen Alcyone had that weird af steering wheel, air craft inspired design.

https://cdn.drivingline.com/media/2313621/subaru-xt-interior.jpg?quality=70&mode=pad&copymetadata=true&w=1130

OG outback is brilliant, but it's not exactly out there for Subaru.

[trim gate]

That’s a nice wheel

[dense shard]

https://www.drivingline.com/s3/drivingline.prd/cropped/84638/hero-c_xt.jpg?w=1920&quality=70&copymetadata=true

Also I want to see the sticker swag come back.

"16 Valve DOHC"

Like bring that back. Tell me my car has electronic fuel injection. I loved how automakers would have entire wraps dedicated to turbo charging.

I should find a few stickers like that for my Outback.

[charred depot]

we have 2 post lift at home

[remote ridge]

Lucky

[charred depot]

I wouldnt rent the unit if I had any sense of a level area tis all an expense.

[deep zealot]

The rims are a little dirty but no issue shes due for a clean tonight

[maiden dagger]

320d?

[deep zealot]

328i xdrive

[vital shore]

Ooh

[vital shore]

I got bored and thought about a thing.
WIth the whole "metaverse" and rise in driving sims, will we begin to see new car brands, with real world market value, but that will only have a virtual presence.

Older games like the gran turismo series used to something similar with concept cars, GT4 even having a crazy one from Nike.

Basic stupid example. If we saw something like Obey from gta5, begin appearing in other games, and for some reason the big zuck thought they should have value alongside real companies like Ford and VW

[dense shard]

Good luck making that happen

[deep zealot]

Sounds like a stretch, but given the fact that we now have literal jpegs “selling” online for hundreds of thousands of dollars i suppose anything’s possible

and i put “selling” in quotes because, it isn’t selling, it’s a glorified money laundering system with a pyramid scheme

[civic girder]

that's the best basic description of the nft/crypto scam I've seen thus far

[vital shore]

I don't want it to happen. Just thought of the hypothetical

[dense shard]

Sounds like Tesla

You don't buy a car, just the rights to drive it

[vital shore]

Not even that. They can take away privileges like supercharging or other basic features if you modify or try and fix your car

[dense shard]

Yes, the right to drive a vehicle has strings attached

This is Elon Musk's future

Hyper consumerism

[deep zealot]

It’s almost like they’re doing exactly what Apple is with right to repair

[vital shore]

The fact that you can't even change out the radio and infotainment out of new cars shows that companies are forcing obsolescence.

I'm curios in that new electric drive terrain that GM has that's supposed to be easily planted in older vehicles.

If it's going to force you to have a new VIN number since you're changing out such a large portion

If they're only going to have a minimum requirement of hardware integration, and if they're going to have special requirements to use it.

I just hope they ship it and show that it's a viable option to keeping older chassis on the road.

Would be cool to see down the line if they can use older models with just the basic electric tech

Like if chevy took old pre-owned models and replaced the drive terrain, and then be able to sell them as new/old models for half of what current electric cars are going for

It's all down to price at this point

[pearl tiger]

if it cost more than my current car then nope

[vital shore]

of course. But for people who want an electric car for it's versatility, but don't want to spend $40k on one, and don't mind having a used car or already have an older vehicle, I want to see a way to keep the internals, but be able to either recycle, or possibly sell the engine and underside parts, and keep it maybe $20k at maximum

Even if a shorter range was around $10k

If you just need something around town and for commutes under 150miles a day

Also with how charging times have been getting quicker, shorter range shouldn't be as big of a problem

It would be interesting to see more of the computer modding community mix with the car modding commuty

[pearl tiger]

yeah sure. but in my case short range would suck cuz A) landlord wont allow EV charging, B)my job place wont have chargers too

[vital shore]

That's true. And I don't think this would be anything forced

There is still a need for gas cars.

But it's not bad to think about these things now. Especially with how fast the states are pushing for full electric capability

America (I don't know about cananida) is just adopting a lot of european views, and with how fast they've been changing, we gotta start thinking of how modern transport can be changed now, so it can be cheaper in the future

[terse raptor]

from the event i was at last weekend

[vital shore]

Thank god america isn't going as fast as they are. Europe is already phasing out the ability to even drive gas cars in older cities

Also, I love that

long miata

I did see a rimac pickup on the back of a tow truck a few months ago

not rimac

the other one

Rivian

It was a nice color

Actually

[terse raptor]

same as this

[vital shore]

That's amazing

Reminds me of the rat-rod jeep that was on motortrend

[terse raptor]

except that’s clean where the one you’re talking about was on roadkill and was a pos lol

[vital shore]

true

Same spirit though

one's just got more work in it

[terse raptor]

the blue is ours the other 2 is who we were with

[vital shore]

pog

[terse raptor]

i had just raised it, this is how low we usually park it

[vital shore]

ooh

[prime valve]

but why ?

[vital shore]

Because

[viscid atlas]

Im not sure if you understand what "cheap" is, but EVs will never be cheaper than ICE cars inherently

Electric is inherently not efficient in the form of vehicular transport, as there are a lot of losses transporting electricity compared to fuel

And well, you have to produce said electricity to begin with

If you want any semblance of efficiency in producing power, you want to go nuclear.

Environmentally friendly aswell, nuclear is the best for of making power environmentally

But, this wont happen because of the stigma surrounding nuclear power. And generating the power only solves 1 issue, it doesnt adress the efficiency loss in transporting electricity

[vital shore]

I mean cheap in terms of current cars being sold.

Also, the state I’m in relies solely on natural resources, Washington doesn’t burn coal. But electric is more user friendly with how similar it is got gas power.

[viscid atlas]

You dont need to burn coal for electricity not to be environmentally friendly.

Damns, and other waterbased power generation methods have proven to hurt water based life

Solar panels dont last forever, you have to keep producing them

Interms of current cars being sold, youll never get cheaper than a used car.

And guess what happens with a used EV?

[vital shore]

Gotta replace the battery

[viscid atlas]

Yep, guess how much that costs

[vital shore]

It’s about $20k for a tesla right?

There’s still a lot to think about, but right now electric seems to be a safe bet.

[viscid atlas]

Electric is not at all a safe bet

What?

How is it a safe bet exactly? @vital shore

So you get a new car for 40K$~ and have to replace the battery for half the cars cost every 8 years... Or you get a used one for 20$K and replace the battery now for 20$K having essentially bought a new one

When instead you could literally just get a used sedan for 10$K and just drive it

[dense shard]

You don't have to replace it?

Treat it right and it'll last 15-20 years

[vital shore]

I started this conversation about converting older vehicles to electric. I do think that prices are bs right now and electric tech that is expected to be used by everyone is only available to to be reasonably owned by middle high income.

The problem is that I don’t know of any current ways to implement nuclear tech into cars thats safe, and hydrogen tech is too inefficient to be used by a normal driver.

Gas is being outlawed to higher emissions standards, with california leading the charge in america, and electric is the current offering we have now.

@viscid atlas

[dense shard]

Hell, buy a Mercedes and you'll have to get w new car in 10 since something broke.

Also Hydrogen is viable, just not widespread

[charred depot]

my 90's petrols banned from city centers but my 80's diesel isnt

[dense shard]

Nuclear cars are a 1950s meme

[viscid atlas]

Nuclear cars, what?

[vital shore]

Hydrogen works, but the current pricing for it and the tech required makes more sense to be used commercially

[viscid atlas]

No... Nuclear is the best way to PRODUCE energy

For being both the greenest, and most efficient

[dense shard]

Not cheapest

[viscid atlas]

Arguable

[dense shard]

Reactors are expensive

[viscid atlas]

Its cheap after its been built

[dense shard]

And disposing the fuel more si

Up front costs can't be ignored

Otherwise solar is free

[viscid atlas]

No?

As solar panels are consumables.

[dense shard]

Yes

[viscid atlas]

They dont last forever.

[dense shard]

So is nuclear fuel

[viscid atlas]

Not the reactor itself.

[dense shard]

I hear disposing of it is nasty

[viscid atlas]

No, it isnt...

[charred depot]

everything is consumables

[dense shard]

Even the reactor itself

Radiation does things

[viscid atlas]

You put it in a lead safe and toss it in the ocean (lamens terms)

[dense shard]

...

Yeah throw it in the ocean

Great

Let's irradiate the oceans

[viscid atlas]

Thats... Literally how nuclear fuel is disposed of...

[dense shard]

It isn't

[viscid atlas]

It literally is...

[dense shard]

Last I checked it gets buried

[viscid atlas]

But... Ok

[terse raptor]

why not

[dense shard]

Yeah no

Source

I'm calling BS

The last 30 years has been the US trying to open a repository in the mountains

[charred depot]

they wanted to dipose of our nuclear subs like that but everyone was like U WOT M8

[terse raptor]

yeah and over seas in one country they buried it deep

[dense shard]

Which country

[terse raptor]

idk it was a tom scott video lol

[viscid atlas]

You CAN use geological deposits. BUT it needs to be DEEEEEP

[vital shore]

I just don’t care for just burying nuclear waste and waiting thousands of years for it to just not

[dense shard]

Is it the country that isn't that one we can't talk about?

[terse raptor]

https://youtu.be/aoy_WJ3mE50

[dense shard]

Not the ocean

Right

[vital shore]

And if it’s disposed of improperly, that can lead to a whole lot of other problems

[viscid atlas]

Throwing it into the ocean WITH a lead casing (to completely mitigate radiation) is safe.

[vital shore]

Liability is the issue

[dense shard]

Lead

[viscid atlas]

I mean, if you want to go expensive, shoot it up into space

[charred depot]

From 1946 through 1993, thirteen countries used ocean disposal or ocean dumping as a method to dispose of nuclear/radioactive waste. The waste materials included both liquids and solids housed in various containers, as well as reactor vessels, with and without spent or damaged nuclear fuel.[1] Since 1993, ocean disposal has been banned by international treaties. (London Convention (1972), Basel Convention, MARPOL 73/78)

[dense shard]

You mean the stuff that leeches into water?

Flint?

[vital shore]

I

[charred depot]

for the rocket to explode

[dense shard]

Rockets don't explode... That often

[viscid atlas]

Yeah no, the failure rate would have to be very low, but its not impossible nor out of our grasp

[terse raptor]

insert challenger image

[dense shard]

Or Falcon X

[viscid atlas]

But with the amount of electricity we are using, if you think only solar can handle it, you're high

[dense shard]

We cut electricity use

[vital shore]

I just don’t think dealing with nuclear waste is smart. Since, solar allows for companies to buy back the extra power you create

[viscid atlas]

Yea, like thats gonna happen lmfao

"cut electric use" "use electric cars"

[dense shard]

Buy for purpose

Don't buy a hummer, but a leaf

[vital shore]

It’s better than burning coal or oil like we’re doing now

[viscid atlas]

Thats not going to happen. And you know its not going to happen.

[dense shard]

Buy a smaller house

[terse raptor]

solar wind and water if we could get it all done we could have clean shit, where i live i know people that are fully solar and sell back to the grid

[viscid atlas]

You WILL have to burn COAL and OIL anyways

if we ALL switched to electric cars, where is the electricty gonna come from...

[vital shore]

I understand. But limiting it and offsetting our use is what people are trying to do.

[terse raptor]

but wind farms aren’t super effective rn

[viscid atlas]

The only actual effective electricity generation is nuclear.

[dense shard]

Ignoring cost and waste, sure.

[viscid atlas]

Synthetic fuels are the future of transportation. Im calling it now and youll come to see it in 50 years.

[dense shard]

But we can't ignore cost.

[terse raptor]

wind here is not i mean

[dense shard]

Wind is valid in the plains and on coastal areas.

[viscid atlas]

If you cant ignore the cost, you cant ignore the cost of electricity for vehicle infrastructure either.

Theres cost to everything

[dense shard]

We have infrastructure in place to charge EVs

All we lack are charge points.

[viscid atlas]

LMFAO ok

[dense shard]

So I'm sorry

What are these lines strung across the country again?

They carry this electricity thing, no?

[viscid atlas]

Sure you have ENOUGH infrastructure to charge a whole walmart parking lot full of EVs mmmhmm

[dense shard]

Y'know, the stuff all homes in the US have more or less?

[terse raptor]

i think his point is not having clean energy

maybe

idk

[dense shard]

Do you refuel your car everytime you go to walmart?

[charred depot]

the homes around here have 60 or 80amp main fuses but we cant all use 100%

[dense shard]

I imagine not everyone will need to plug in at wal-mart.

Enough with the strawman fallacies.

[vital shore]

Then why don’t we run into this problem with gas cars. No way there’s more stations than vehicles on the road.

[viscid atlas]

I don't, because i drive a gas car fam. Would i if i were driving an EV? Yes.

[dense shard]

Why?

Why do you need to recharge every trip you make?

You don't refill your car.

[terse raptor]

bruh 200 miles is like a week of driving for me

[dense shard]

Can't you just plug in at home after you do your shopping?

[viscid atlas]

Because gas cars actually can store enough fuel to drive way longer, AND refill 10 to 20 times quicker if not more

[viscid atlas]

Mate, apartments.

[dense shard]

200 miles is something EVs can do.

[terse raptor]

i don’t need to recharge like every week

[dense shard]

Not everyone lives in an apartment.

[viscid atlas]

Not everyone can charge their EV at home

[vital shore]

Are you not accounting that users might be charging at home

[viscid atlas]

MOST people live in apartments

MOST people cant charge an EV at home

[dense shard]

I'd need to see a figure for that.

[viscid atlas]

Not MOST EV owners MOST people

[charred depot]

If everyone in my area had EV's we would have problems as the local electricity infrastructure doesent have capacity.

[dense shard]

And the fact remains. You don't have to charge after every single trip.

[terse raptor]

it’s a simple install to put a charge at a house

[dense shard]

Once a week is all you need.

[viscid atlas]

Yea dude come do it here at communal parking._.

[vital shore]

Somtimes its just a dongle

[dense shard]

Unless you are an edge case who commutes 100 miles a day.

[charred depot]

Most people work 9-5 so theres likely to be spikes

[viscid atlas]

That isnt an edge case at all...

[dense shard]

wait, you mean people could charge their stuff at work?

[terse raptor]

yeah and also many public malls have charge points

[dense shard]

It is. Statistics show most Americans drive maybe 20 miles a day.

100 miles is absolutely an exception.

Even Elon Musk admitted as much.

Which is why he only wants cars with 300 250 miles of range minimum... okay him aside.

[viscid atlas]

Now please subtract every undriven car from that, as there are ALOT of multi-car owners

[dense shard]

Federal Highway Administration data from 2019 indicates motorists in the U.S. drive an average of 39 miles per day.

[viscid atlas]

Or subtract everyone who DOESNT even drive

[dense shard]

ok

boom, 39 miles.

[viscid atlas]

Yea, so that 20 number was made up

[dense shard]

According to AAA it's 30 miles.

If you gonna make that claim, you need to back it up.

[viscid atlas]

You too.

[vital shore]

They did

Monte did

[terse raptor]

my biggest commute i had to work was 60 miles for both ways, and i still wouldn’t need to charge every day if i had a car with 200 miles or range

[viscid atlas]

Yea, they had to correct themselves

[dense shard]

U.S. daily travel averages 11 billion miles a day — almost 40 miles per person per day

https://www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts

I'd say the government tends to be a fairly reliable source on this.

[viscid atlas]

I can believe 40 easily, because that adds up. I didnt 20

[dense shard]

Okay, 100 miles remains an outlier?

Can't deny that.

[vital shore]

Either way. That’s a fraction of many current ev capacities.

[terse raptor]

still 40x5 is 200 miles

[dense shard]

A week

Not a day.

[viscid atlas]

100 miles is an outlier, so is 20 miles

[dense shard]

And y'all silent on that statistic.

It includes the entire US population.

per person
Not everyone drives.

[viscid atlas]

Yes? Which means it includes a lot of 0s

[terse raptor]

i have 3 cars and don’t drive every day because i work from home now

[dense shard]

Also that's from the early 2000s.

[charred depot]

Does anyone know any stats on miles per hour for EV charging for different amperages

[dense shard]

Let's see. AAA is another reliable source.

On average drivers drive 31.5 miles a day.

[terse raptor]

and i really only drive one car when i drive

[vital shore]

I looked up, Kia estimates you should be able to charge up to 80% within an hour

At a proper charging station

[viscid atlas]

It really doesnt matter, as your EV pipe-dream most likely wont come true. As synthetic 0 emission fuels will become cheaper and cheaper, and ice will remain the way to go as infrastructure is already in place.

[charred depot]

Im more looking at home cases

[dense shard]

How is synthetic fuel not a pipe dream?

Where you gonna produce this fuel, and from what?

Let me guess, grow more corn?

[terse raptor]

then you should have a proper charger for that car and would be pretty quick

[viscid atlas]

No...

[charred depot]

our houses have 60amp main fuses but not everyone can use their 60 amps at the same time.

[vital shore]

Synthetic fuel would be interesting. But what mods have to be done to run it on old vehicles.

[dense shard]

Well come now. Explain your totally realistic dream of an internal combustion future.

Where we getting this fuel from?

[viscid atlas]

You collect carbon dioxide from the air right? And you combine that with X catalyst (this is the thing being experimented on mostly its always changing) and it becomes, well, fuel.

[terse raptor]

tbh i don’t care about the future, i just drive what i drive

[dense shard]

Oh boy, carbon harvesting. That incredibly energy intensive process that has yet to become viable on any scale?

[vital shore]

How is it combined, and how is it collected?

[terse raptor]

when the thing comes out that’s the main mandated thing, i’ll buy that and drive that

[viscid atlas]

https://www.repsol.com/en/energy-and-innovation/technology-lab/new-mobility/net-zero-emissions-fuels/index.cshtml

[viscid atlas]

Not a chemist, read this

Its collected from the air... Literally

[dense shard]

using water
Ah yes, fresh water I bet.

[charred depot]

I should be able to use my favourite car for a long time unless they heavily clamp down

[viscid atlas]

H20

Water

That kind of water

[dense shard]

Industrial processes usually don't use seawater.

Usually they require potable water. The stuff that's in demand for stuff like me living.

Stuff that's in increasingly more difficult to get. And I'm not even talking about the developed world.

[terse raptor]

ok imma go watch a show with my girlfriend, bye

[viscid atlas]

Oh no H20 is circulated

You dont lose water.

[dense shard]

You just lose access to it.

[viscid atlas]

Look at the diagram its simpler to understand

[dense shard]

Or the ability to use it.

[viscid atlas]

Im pretty sure we have more water than shit to make more lithium ion batteries with ._.

[dense shard]

We don't. And that's as big of a concern as ethanol production and oil production.

[viscid atlas]

Numbers please.

[dense shard]

This isn't some gotcha moment, rather an extremely worrying concern that should put everyone ill at ease.

Ethanol takes a shit ton of water to produce.

So far your repsol source is just a cute graphic.

No real information.

[viscid atlas]

i don't understand the chemistry that takes places therefore its not real

[dense shard]

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-efficient-carbon-capture-and-storage

What chemistry is there being explained?

[viscid atlas]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-neutral_fuel

[dense shard]

They take carbon from here, they take water from there, and boom, combined to make this.

[viscid atlas]

Here, read Wikipedia if you want.

[dense shard]

I know how it works in theory.

Have yet to see it in practice beyond someone's fryer oil Mercedes.

[viscid atlas]

And it does work. Its BEEN working for a while

[dense shard]

Where?

And what.

Don't say ethanol, cause that shit is horrible.

[viscid atlas]

This racing season for porsche for example.

Theyre buying siemens "e-fuel" for their cars.

[dense shard]

A racing team running a few cars for a season is hardly on the scale we need.

[viscid atlas]

About 40$ a gallon? Or liter? Mind you

[dense shard]

We need millions of barrels of oil.

[viscid atlas]

Yea? Thats why were not using it literally right now...

Production is projected to ramp up at around late 2023

[dense shard]

riiiiight

200% increase from 1 barrel a day to 3.

Or would that be 2?

[viscid atlas]

🤦‍♀️

[dense shard]

Here's an easier, cheaper, and more sustainable solution to our woes.

Cut emissions.

[viscid atlas]

Ye dude, you do that XD

No one else will

[dense shard]

And with that we're doomed.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

We literally cannot maintain our consumption.

Something has got to give.

[viscid atlas]

Not really, as people are actually finding solutions, instead of saying Oh ThAt WoNt WoRk CuS I tHiNk It WoNt

[dense shard]

We are finding solutions. You want to laugh at cutting consumption?

[viscid atlas]

Or saying JuSt BrEaThE EaT PlaNtS aNd Die

[dense shard]

LED lights are a thing.

Ultra efficent appliances are a thing.

[viscid atlas]

Yea, so is 0 emission fuels.

[dense shard]

HE washers are a thing. We are cutting our usage of materials.

I don't buy carbon neutral fuels because companies ignore other things.

Like transportation of said fuels.

[viscid atlas]

As much as you want to deny it, its an area of experimentation right now that is evolving VERY quickly.

[dense shard]

Until there can be a transparent chain of accountability from step one, I'm calling bullshit on any major corporation.

Until an experiment comes into mass production, it remains an experiment.

[viscid atlas]

If the fuel being produced is 0 emission, the transportation that takes places is fuelled with said fuel, how is it then magically not 0 emissions.

[dense shard]

If, then yes. We can talk.

But is it?

[viscid atlas]

Its funny how you make this claim, but earlier you were saying the government was a dependable resource

[dense shard]

All these things take materials to build.

Corporation isn't government?

[viscid atlas]

Yeah, guess which is usually more corrupt?

Worldwide

[dense shard]

Corporations.

[viscid atlas]

Lol, ok

[dense shard]

Change my mind.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid atlas]

Lets talk when you have shares to a multi million $ company please.

[dense shard]

You do?

I imagine you also work for the government.

And are a billionaire who got their wealth from hard work.

[viscid atlas]

Nope. One of the biggest growing companies in Turkey with no ties to the government.

[dense shard]

Pull the other one it's got bells.

And yet you are arguing with nobodies on LTT.

wild

It's 3 am, go to bed.

Mr. Turkish Millionaire.

[viscid atlas]

Im only 21 and doing college. Doesnt change the fact that its family business.

[charred depot]

Ill be happy as long as theres veg oil on the shelves

[dense shard]

do you own a company
well nor do I

[viscid atlas]

And doesnt change the fact that im only studying to take my dads place.

[dense shard]

Okay?

You don't own the company.

[viscid atlas]

Never said i did, i have shares tho.

[dense shard]

All I've heard so far is, "oh yeah my dad owns a dealership"

wait hold on...

Lets talk when you have shares to a multi million $ company please.

[viscid atlas]

Mechanical engineering, but ok.

[vital shore]

https://www.energy.gov/eere/bioenergy/biofuel-basics

[dense shard]

I have shares in multi-billion dollar companies

[vital shore]

https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/economics-biofuels

Vulpix. Learn to not just spit out jargan from a big compny

[dense shard]

If I buy Apple stock it'll be a trillion dollar company.

[viscid atlas]

Ok, enough to be attending board meetings with owners of the company. Sorry that i wasnt specific enough.

[dense shard]

wow

[vital shore]

You weren’t lying , but it was annoying as hell to try and understand that diagram on that site

[dense shard]

That's what start up rely on.

Cute graphics

[vital shore]

I sent an actual set of articles to help

[dense shard]

Thanks, Nicky.

[vital shore]

Problems are extra energy required for conversion and some extra tuning

[viscid atlas]

I linked that one because i dont have sources saved to a notepad, nor was i going to spend an hour reading it and coming back here to post it

[dense shard]

I imagine Nicky googled it.

And spent maybe 10 minutes glancing over it.

[viscid atlas]

The actual article i did read, and couldnt find, is the porsche "E-Fuel" article

[dense shard]

If you can't be bothered to do some groundwork, I am happy I don't own stock in any Turkish companies, otherwise I'd be concerned.

[vital shore]

And step one of presenting a good argument is to actually get facts straight and making sure people can fully understand you

[charred depot]

I can agree on all cars bad

[viscid atlas]

Its a partnership with Siemens

[vital shore]

Imma go now

[dense shard]

But what about very big cars that run on tracks?

[viscid atlas]

Youre totally correct, its just really hard to have a dumb argument here and read a long article to post here at the same time without the topic shifting is all

[dense shard]

They're like buses, but on very preset routes. I hear they're super efficient.

[charred depot]

Id like trains if scotrail werent useless

[dense shard]

US is too cheap for high speed rail.

Would love it tho

[viscid atlas]

US and public transportation will, i doubt, ever happen

[dense shard]

Oh I imagine it will after a point.

[charred depot]

Dont really need high speed rail here tis a small place. Just a reliable service

[dense shard]

Probably too late.

[viscid atlas]

You can literally just BUY a point A to point B junkyard car for the price of a ticket

[dense shard]

You can't.

You don't want to drive 14 hours in a 300 dollar car.

[viscid atlas]

You can wanting is a different story

[dense shard]

It'll take 4 times longer, cost you gas and insurance on top of registration.

Look I don't know how you think driving is like in the US.

But you don't want to break down in a junker in the middle of Montana.

[viscid atlas]

I drive in the US chief, im studying in NY.

Well, upstate

[dense shard]

NY isn't the plains.

[viscid atlas]

Yea its worse.

[dense shard]

The salt maybe.

And traffic, sure.

[viscid atlas]

As its snowstorm half the time

No traffic, just snow

[dense shard]

Snow isn't unique to New York.

[viscid atlas]

NYC is bad traffic

[charred depot]

What do you do in the highly likely event your car breaks down

[viscid atlas]

Upstate NY is just salt n snow

[charred depot]

Me and my friends enjoy driving bangers but we all break down often enough.

[dense shard]

You sit and wait for 15 hours to pay 1000 dollars for someone to tow you.

And then you try to buy another junker.

[viscid atlas]

Ive had it happen 2 times now, i got it towed, only cost me a couple hundred

[dense shard]

only a couple hundred

[viscid atlas]

No, really

[dense shard]

It's literally cheaper to fly at that point.

[viscid atlas]

Tow costs are low

[charred depot]

clearly you were close to home

[dense shard]

200 dollars isn't fucking cheap.

200 dollars on a 300 dollar car?>

[viscid atlas]

I mean, it is from the point of view of a 40$K car

[charred depot]

uwot

[dense shard]

wat

[charred depot]

we were talking about a long distance train journey

[dense shard]

I thought we were talking about driving being cheaper than flying?

Ged, help me. What are we talking about?!

I'm having a stroke.

[viscid atlas]

In that case its very expensive. Its just not 1000$

Like you said

[charred depot]

I dont know why a a cheapy car is being compared to a 40k car

[dense shard]

I didn't know we were talking about expensive cars.

[viscid atlas]

And also, btw, you can rent cars too to go from point A to point B

[dense shard]

Car rentals are NOT cheap.

[viscid atlas]

For, again, cheaper than a train ticket

[dense shard]

You do realize you pay by the mile, right?

[charred depot]

I cant even rent a car here.

They dont rent to under 23's or 25's cant remember its not allowed

[viscid atlas]

Im not sure about this, but from what i know and understand, companies that do do long distance rentals are renting by the day, not mile

I may have misunderstood however.

[charred depot]

I imagine if you are a young driver in the US you are hit with a massive risk fee

[dense shard]

Even Enterprise's unlimited plan... they have a limit.

[viscid atlas]

Limit of?

Wrong reply

[dense shard]

100 miles.

100 miles won't get me to the next big city here.

[viscid atlas]

Yeah thats pretty small

Fine print, never cared enough about public transportation nor rentals. Intereting still that theres a limit by mile

[dense shard]

Because they don't want you to drive 900 miles in a day.

[viscid atlas]

In turkey its time

[dense shard]

I have done 900 miles in a day, and it can be done.

[viscid atlas]

Im not surprised

A friend of mine drove from Cali to NYC a couple weeks ago

With a mustang too, apperantly he did 400?500? Miles a day

Maybe more

Idk

[dense shard]

400-500 is the sane thing to do.

[viscid atlas]

Im surprised he didnt break down lmao

[dense shard]

Modern cars are reliable.

But I don't trust any car that costs less than 5k.

[viscid atlas]

He has had that car for a while

Also, i dont trust 2015+ cars either, planned obsolescence is taking a toll

[dense shard]

Not really.

[charred depot]

I prefer older stuff as it can be fixed by monkey brains when stuff does go wrong.

[dense shard]

My 2019 just as fresh now as it was 3 years ago.

[charred depot]

thats brand new still

[viscid atlas]

3 years is nothing for cars tho

It should be as fresh

[dense shard]

And it'll be just as fresh in 30 years.

[viscid atlas]

Yea? Will it?