cars

[charred depot]

pretty much always standing water here :^(

[prime valve]

UK :)

so its just a drag car

[dusk ocean]

Nah - its on coil overs and everything, big break kit

it does it all really

[prime valve]

do you know what it does 1/4 mile ?

[dusk ocean]

has a 60% built differential

yeah its like 9.60 with a street tune

3150 lbs and ~875 rwhp ish

[stoic ledge]

[prime valve]

thats pretty good id say

[dusk ocean]

Destroys diff clutches

Twists output flanges

[charred depot]

🗿

[dusk ocean]

Needs carbon fiber twin disc clutch

Its a pain in the ass to go fast with

but I guess its fun

[charred depot]

Its best I have a car where its a challenge to break the speed limit

[prime valve]

needs a turbo

[dusk ocean]

lol

[charred depot]

turboless diesel best diesel

[dusk ocean]

lord

that makes me sad

[prime valve]

does it even do 60 ?

[charred depot]

myeah

[prime valve]

but only downhill im guessing

[dusk ocean]

downhill

[charred depot]

reaching indicated 80mph is where it becomes circumstantial

probably only like 72

[prime valve]

i bet its doing 50

[dusk ocean]

well I suspect the stopping ability comes into play as well

[stoic ledge]

Stopping is always ez

Just find a wall

[charred depot]

it has no brakes at the moment but we test drove it anyway

always fun when you find a set of molegrips on a brake hose on a car you buy

[prime valve]

no brakes because no one will stop me :)

[dusk ocean]

its a race car

Here's the brake lines on my E30

[charred depot]

Im trading my clean 305 saloon for this 305 estate

[charred depot]

the ferrule is basically gone on the rear brake hoses of the saab

you can pick it away

[prime valve]

get a refund

[dusk ocean]

its just another way to fill the line

[prime valve]

that is some rust

[dusk ocean]

Thats rubber

lol

it was "venting" itself

[prime valve]

no for the 305

[dusk ocean]

oh oh

[charred depot]

I wanted a structurally challenged car to weld up and do a terrible spray paint job

[prime valve]

i mean rust = free carbon fibre

[dusk ocean]

rust is light tho

[charred depot]

The paint is basically perfect on my 305 saloon

[dusk ocean]

Fuel tank strap

[charred depot]

my 305 saloon doesent have a boot floor

[dusk ocean]

why would it

what do they plan on doing w/ that

[charred depot]

bit of welding innit

[prime valve]

light weight edition i see

[dusk ocean]

Some say he made it all the way to the opposite side rear mirror

[charred depot]

theres only like 25 total 305's on the road in the UK which is very sad

if only cavity waxing was discovered earlier :^(

[dusk ocean]

I feel like its a message

[charred depot]

my friend has like the only chevette saloon, he was welding it for a year.

[dusk ocean]

Can I show you art?

[prime valve]

im pretty sure there is a good reason behind it

[dusk ocean]

Here. I present you art.

[prime valve]

clean

did they smooth the welds out ?

or did you just paint over it ?

[dusk ocean]

That's my welding - no

I powder coated it after

[prime valve]

hmm idk how i feel about that

looks good but i feel like a smooth finish would be cleaner

but it looks good either way

[charred depot]

My friend welds submarines, sounds an interesting job sadly he says id kill everyone.

[prime valve]

i have never welded but it would probably be the same

[charred depot]

good enough to get cars through an MOT

[prime valve]

cars that are modded but it looks stock mmmmmmmmmmmm thats the sweet spot

[prime valve]

40 under that paper and it will passing anything :)

[charred depot]

sadly those days are gone :^(

[stoic ledge]

Sadly?

[charred depot]

its just a little hole

[prime valve]

just say its for aero dynamics

[dusk ocean]

@prime valve really should not grind welds

[charred depot]

instead lather with an entire can of seam sealer

[dusk ocean]

for body work, sure

haha yes

use tons of black caulk

aluminum that handles fuel and boost pressure doens't take kindly to grinding

TIG welding you generally don't grind

unless you completely bugger it

[prime valve]

something to learn i guess

[dusk ocean]

learning is fun sometimes

[prime valve]

also wouldnt getting a 2jz in that bmw cheaper ?

[dusk ocean]

its about the same when you get into it

[prime valve]

oh

or a ls7

[dusk ocean]

its all the same when you open them up

[prime valve]

looks like it wont fit but some loving

[dusk ocean]

It does

I had an LS3 in it for a couple months

[prime valve]

dam

wait is that a inline 6 or something else ?

[dusk ocean]

yes

[prime valve]

are the internals done up apart from being bored ?

[dusk ocean]

yah, all forged

[prime valve]

is it a stock block ?

[dusk ocean]

Yeah there are no after market blocks

[prime valve]

is the power its at the peak or does it have some room?

[dusk ocean]

There are guys doing 1000 - 1200 hp

I would probably be one if I had more time to dyno and did any head work

This is a 100% stock head (and cams, and valves, and springs, everything)

[prime valve]

dam thats pretty good

[dusk ocean]

Yah - not even any port work

really just out of lazy

Stock head bolts are 10mm, I machined the head out to take 1/2" studs but other than that its stock

[prime valve]

Does anyone know if people do stuff to the gt86 to get power or do they just engine swap ?

[prime valve]

10mm seemed fine to me

i like my metrics

although i live in the UK i still prefer metric

[prime valve]

its just a I4 so not much power there

[dusk ocean]

@prime valve the 10mm would stretch

[prime valve]

yeah i know it wouldnt like the boost

also what boost is it running

[dusk ocean]

Some guys have luck but mostly on like 400 - 600 rwhp builds

Its running about 28 psi

but it's all in the timing that I control the power

[prime valve]

thats a lot of psi

[dusk ocean]

Yeah - big turbski is only efficient on this engine over 22 - 24 psi

[prime valve]

its 76 mm right ?

[dusk ocean]

ya

[prime valve]

yeah thats a big one

[dusk ocean]

Yah

[prime valve]

also 300 whp on a 4 cylinder seems good ?

or even reachable ?

[dusk ocean]

ECU is setup closed loop to target 26 psi, so when engaged, it'll progressively spray nitrous until the boost target is met

[prime valve]

i see i see

also stock internals on that 4 cylinder

[dusk ocean]

So long as nitrous bottle pressure is good, engine RPM/kpa are appropriate, throttle angle appropriate, it'll spray it - it has a very big, wide torque curve as a result

300 whp on an NA 4 cylinder?

[stiff burrow]

Mercedes has an I4 that makes 400hp, so it’s definitely possible

[prime valve]

its a flat 4

[dusk ocean]

NA?

[prime valve]

i think its got a turbski

[dusk ocean]

yeah i mean

my stock 328 is doing probably 280 rwhp with just a tune

[prime valve]

nvm its NA

[dusk ocean]

(2.0L 4 cyl"

ok yeah 300 rwhp NA is a bit harder

[charred depot]

My old saab 2.0 B205 can do 275hp with just a wemap

[stiff burrow]

Your green bmw looks super good

[dusk ocean]

Thanks @stiff burrow

[prime valve]

mercs 4 cylinder is the highest performing 4 cylinder

but its like super over engineered

[stiff burrow]

Yea

[prime valve]

plus i think its like 30% plastic

[charred depot]

Best I4 is a B204

[stiff burrow]

Lol

[prime valve]

saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab

[dusk ocean]

Which Mercedes 4 cyl

LEST WE NOT FORGET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M12

[stiff burrow]

The one from the A45s amg

[prime valve]

its in the a45s

[dusk ocean]

Ah, modern 4 cyl turbski stuff

[prime valve]

yeah

[dusk ocean]

BMW from 1983 is like "hi thanks for joining junior"

[prime valve]

however imma do a one up

5 cylinder

audi

2.2 t

[dusk ocean]

Ah - did you find a 6 cyl with a bad cylinder?

😛

[prime valve]

oh baby

[dusk ocean]

The only time I'd run a 5 cyl is when a coil pack goes bad on my 6

[prime valve]

2jz

[charred depot]

Pretty sure my friends E39 540i was a V6 for a while

[stiff burrow]

The only time I’d run a 5 cyl is if one of my cars somehow gains an extra cylinder or if 3 go out on the other :p

[charred depot]

buying the cheapest 540i in the UK very smart idea

[dusk ocean]

@charred depot I have the ugly step brother

I have an E34 530i

[charred depot]

:^(

[dusk ocean]

the M60B30... 3 liter v8

[charred depot]

Its prefer an E34 and would own one but id have paid more for the insurance than the car

and thats with it being a 518i heh

[dusk ocean]

the 530i is such a turd

I cannot imagine a 518i

My 530i is a 5 speed, too

[charred depot]

it was a 5 speed aswell, I kinda regret not buying it anyway.

[civic girder]

You say that like a manual fixes a shit car

[prime valve]

its a BMW so you need some tape

and a lot of sealant

[stiff burrow]

Do you have a sound clip of your 530i @dusk ocean

[civic girder]

It's a BMW, to like it you need copium and endless pockets

[dusk ocean]

@stiff burrow Not handy - it's just an intake, coil overs, 17x10 wheels, and bad paint

[stiff burrow]

Oh ok

[prime valve]

what are Audis known for ?

[stiff burrow]

Is the green car the 530? Or am I confused

[dusk ocean]

@civic girder A manual trans in a 530i makes you forget for a moment how insignificant you are

[civic girder]

Being overpriced VWs and shit

[prime valve]

BMW is known for being expensive

[dusk ocean]

@stiff burrow green car is a "525i" lol

[stiff burrow]

Oh ok

[dusk ocean]

Sorry - I have like 7 BMWs right now

[stiff burrow]

I guess I should ask do you have a sound clip of that

That’s the one I want to hear the most

Oh lol

[prime valve]

its not really a bad car

[dusk ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBaG6fUU0GE

[prime valve]

my dad has a 2009 a4 and he has 260k miles

[civic girder]

my god, this man is a copium addict

[dusk ocean]

My step dad had 380k miles on an E46 330xi and I tried to hide it from him because I was tired of fixing the front axles

[stiff burrow]

Sounds good

[dusk ocean]

wait til the end

Go to 3 mins 15 secs

[prime valve]

my ears

[dusk ocean]

🙂

[prime valve]

im guessing its straight piped

[stiff burrow]

The turbo 🤤

[dusk ocean]

@prime valve No it has two mufflers!

[civic girder]

Guy I know rebuilt his E34 motor bc it wouldn't run. And then it ran for like a week, then shit itself. So now he's rebuilt a 2JZ and putting it in instead

[dusk ocean]

Magnaflow mufflers - but, it's 4" turbo back exhaust, so a lot of noise falls out

[prime valve]

its still very loud

[dusk ocean]

Well

[charred depot]

I think if a rebuilt motor dies after a week its not quite the motors fault

[stiff burrow]

Although everyone knows what cars sound the best 😏

[dusk ocean]

This doesn't help

[prime valve]

i am a fan

Merica power

[stiff burrow]

It is surprisingly loud completely stock

I love the anodized purple accents

So cool

[dusk ocean]

@stiff burrow I had a trans am

[civic girder]

He did it by the book and everything was good. Motor seemed totally fine before the rebuild too, he just had no idea wtf else to do bc injectors, fuel pump, spark, etc was all good. Weird fuckin issue. Classic BMW moment

[prime valve]

the C8 is one of my fav cars that are new

[stiff burrow]

Nice

[dusk ocean]

@stiff burrow 427 LS with pro charger

D1X?

~800 rwhp

[stiff burrow]

I’m jealous 😳

[dusk ocean]

It was slow

and mostly plastic

and GM

so don't be sad

[prime valve]

it sounds like it broke

[stiff burrow]

How can you be slow with 800 hp 😂

I like muscle cars and big engines so in my book that’s a cool car

[fathom socket]

I think exhaust pipe broke on my 307. Like it becomes louder and louder with time

[charred depot]

I remember when the exhaust fell off my mazda and I was looking around for the chav car

turns out I was the chav car

[prime valve]

did you say muscle

[stiff burrow]

Yes

[prime valve]

Meriica

[civic girder]

"It was slow"
"~800 whp"
That is some good ass copium, holy fuck

[stiff burrow]

🦅

[prime valve]

challenger hellcat SRT Merica edition

oh and Redeye

[stiff burrow]

My dream car is a ‘70 Chevelle SS 454. Or maybe a ‘70 Challenger R/T

With the 4 speed

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862074701239943178/920077891860049990/20211213_164036_1.mp4

nice exhaust leak

[charred depot]

mint

[prime valve]

but this

also isnt there one like this but full carbon and a Ferrari engine ?

[jovial mauve]

I wamted to get a 535i

[stiff burrow]

Honda civics at 3 AM

[civic girder]

this is as far as you can get from a civic while still being japanese lol

[stiff burrow]

Lol

[prime valve]

Honda Civis are one of the worst sounding cars in existance

[civic girder]

false

[stiff burrow]

Actually I like the sound of your car

[prime valve]

sounds like a lawn mower

[civic girder]

I can tell you haven't heard a VW before

or a 350z

or redneck lifted diesel trucks

[stiff burrow]

Clapped out Zs make my ears bleed

[prime valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14SEr7ugaB0&ab_channel=AutoTopNL

[stiff burrow]

What is it

[civic girder]

aftermarket header with aftermarket resonator and factory catback

[civic girder]

Mazda RX-7

specifically a 1st gen

[stiff burrow]

Ooh

[civic girder]

4bbl 1.2L rotary engine

[stiff burrow]

Dorito Miata

[civic girder]

vastly superior to the Miata in every way

[prime valve]

thats a rotary ?

i refuse to believe that that is a Dorito machine

[civic girder]

More fun, sounds better, cooler, headlights don't look disproportionate and goofy, actually have legroom, hardtop is standard, and no power steering. Way better than a Miata

[civic girder]

[charred depot]

RX8 vs MX5 :^)

[civic girder]

RX-8 more fun even tho the NC looks slightly better

rotary engine way more fun

[prime valve]

rx7 FD ?

[civic girder]

Even comparing my RX-7 to an NC, my RX-7 is way more fun. NC feels slow even tho it makes a lot more power

[charred depot]

Tempting to pickup an rx8 and put a saab engine in

[civic girder]

you wish.

[prime valve]

they look cool

and sound pretty cool

[civic girder]

I like shitboxes that are cheap, not valued more than my brand new car

and I like my shitboxes to not overheat for fun

[prime valve]

Mitsubishi evo ?

turbo the prius

[civic girder]

again, I like my shitboxes to not be valued more than my brand new car

[prime valve]

well worth it

[civic girder]

Impossible without an engine swap.

[prime valve]

you can put NOS in it

[stiff burrow]

Straight pipe Prius

[civic girder]

Unless you know how to hack Toyota's hybrid system

[prime valve]

it has been done

[civic girder]

Yes, but its not worth your time.

[prime valve]

but power

[stiff burrow]

It’s a Prius

Not supposed to be fast

[civic girder]

yea

[prime valve]

i believe it should be

[civic girder]

If you buy a Prius and do any modifications or driving with the intention of speed or power, you're a complete imbicile

[prime valve]

true

but its just ugly

[civic girder]

It's designed to get you to and from work efficiently. That's it.

copium

[prime valve]

its ugly

Banana for scale ?

[stiff burrow]

There is a small part of me that wants a prius

Just cus why not lol

Idk if anyone else feels this way but sometimes normal cars are more interesting to me than enthusiast cars

[prime valve]

maybe because you have enough of one

[civic girder]

Prius are decent looking cars. Certainly better looking that a lot of other normal cars

Way better than anything modern BMW has made, that's for damn sure

[prime valve]

true

[civic girder]

same

[stiff burrow]

I’m always more interested in reading reviews about civics or corollas than the latest Lamborghini or whatever

Even stuff like the M5

[civic girder]

Lambos weigh more than my mom, so why would I even consider it

[prime valve]

Lambos are Audis

[civic girder]

and by extension VW

so even worse, purely by association

[prime valve]

hmm yes but i still belive they are 2 different companies

its like BMW and RR

[civic girder]

You say that, but so are Fiat and Chrysler

Yet look at how shit they all are

[prime valve]

i know they are

past 2018 Audis

are ugly

[civic girder]

I mean, Maserati has a car based on the Chrysler platform which is a 30 year old Merc platform they've clung onto since the Daimler-Chrysler days

[prime valve]

Maserati is meh

if it breaks its scrap

they charge for parts like crazy

[civic girder]

like literally any german car does

BMWs are so expensive to repair its insane

so are audis

VWs are kinda cheap, but they're absolute garbage so why even bother

[prime valve]

BMW is more expensive

Audi is ok id say but thats probably because im a big fan

Mercs are overpriced af

[civic girder]

Mercs are so ungodly overpriced yea

[prime valve]

for a engine that is made by Renault

why even bother to buy one

[civic girder]

I definitely want my expensive luxury car to ride like a 90s sports car on ebay suspension

[prime valve]

audi a8

D3

its a nice car its comfy and pretty cheap

and the engine options

w12 6.0

v10 4.2 , v8 4.0

[civic girder]

ah yes, engines that suck to work on, break constantly, and have vaporware parts

[prime valve]

v6 3.0

[civic girder]

oof

If I want a v6, I'll get a v6 that doesn't suck and costs $3 to fix

[prime valve]

like ?

only good option i see is Merica ls3

[civic girder]

Toyota v6 are indistructible

not fast, quick enough, and extremely reliable if you have enough brain cells to do an oil change every 10k miles

[prime valve]

its a good v6

[civic girder]

cap

[prime valve]

outlander one

nissan v6

[civic girder]

I gotta leave this chat now

[prime valve]

but i prefer small engines

like a 2.2 t

or a 1.8t

inline 5

german

good

real good

[dense shard]

Till it breaks

[dense shard]

Honda, Toyota, Chrysler, and Nissan to an extent have brilliant V6s

[civic girder]

Nissan absolutely not

you cannot convince me there is a worse engine than something branded as nissan

[dense shard]

GM V6s eat timing chains, Ford V6s eat water pumps.

[civic girder]

classic

[dense shard]

At this point I'd take the V6 out of the Frontier over either.

[civic girder]

I'd rather chance it and go chrysler

the pentastar is ok

[dense shard]

I mean yeah.

Pentastar has proven itself.

It's a damn good engines all things considered.

[civic girder]

But if I had a choice, Toyota every single time

[dense shard]

Thinking Jeep will be replaced with a Nissan Armada.

Get me some of that sweet sweet V8.

[civic girder]

gross

if you're gonna get a v8, at least get a good one

[dense shard]

That's the issue.

I can't afford a Toyota.

[civic girder]

true

[dense shard]

I don't trust the big three for various reasons

[civic girder]

obvious reasons*

[dense shard]

A Nissan V8 is a nice sleeper hit.

Great value Toyota.

No comment on the cars, but I trust the trucks

[civic girder]

but tbh I'd rather get a ls than a nissan

[dense shard]

I don't think I would personally.

[civic girder]

truck around it may be shit, but still better than a nissan

[dense shard]

I've seen too many rusty GMs and heard too many bad things about the transmissions.

Transmission issues that Ford apparently doesn't share, despite being developed jointly.

[prime valve]

outlander v6

bulletproof

same for the nissan v6

[dense shard]

Problem is the rest of the outlander

[prime valve]

yes

[dense shard]

Then again building the same car for 15 years means you should have ironed out most of the issues.

[prime valve]

but you take that engine and use it in something better

if you fix the issues you wont have people buying new cars

[dense shard]

If a car keeps breaking down on me, I'll go to a more reliable automaker.

[prime valve]

yeah but if you buy it once its enough

[dense shard]

Return customers are a gift. Don't chase them away.

You buy once, love it enough to recommend it to family and friends.

Take it to a dealership to get maintained because they treat you right. hasn't happened to me yet, but people go there past warranty

Subaru built an entire cult around the car being a family heirloom.

[prime valve]

some guy in Poland got a s63s and it had a defective frame he suied them and he lost because that is the characteristic of the car

[stoic ledge]

We bought all our cars used and not at dealerships

[prime valve]

one or two customers they dont care

depending on the country they act different

[dense shard]

I bought my Corolla new.

[stoic ledge]

Well according to VW 1L of oil per 1000km is also normal (1 quart every 600 miles) so nothing will surprise me these days

[dense shard]

And if the Corolla GR is worth it, I know what I'm getting next.

[prime valve]

yeah its dumb

but people still buy them

it actually depends how you treat your car

oil, filters

and so on

[stoic ledge]

No people lease them as company cars as they don't care about maintenance as it's all covered, but afterwards it hits the second hand market people's wallets will begin bleeding

[prime valve]

yep

[stoic ledge]

For quite a few things definitely true, but those VW's all get it even if you treat it well

Hell they won't get it anymore, they all already had it

[prime valve]

its a lottery

its like a CPU u can push it to 5 ghz or just 4.6ghz

[stoic ledge]

Not saying it's only VW tho, other brands also have had structural problems

But the 1L/oil per 1000km is fine statement is just

[prime valve]

every company is bad in their own way

[dense shard]

I'd say consuming the entire oil supply in the span of an oil change is exceptionally bad

[prime valve]

1L of oil nommy nom

if you can name a worse car than an Insignia

[charred depot]

Peugeot 3008

[prime valve]

this car literally sets it self on fire

[stoic ledge]

It basically becomes a two stroke engine then

[stoic ledge]

So like a Tesla

[prime valve]

where i used to go to college 3 burned down right infront of the college

[stoic ledge]

Insignia, which engine?

[prime valve]

all of them are bad

[stoic ledge]

It's not a common failure for them to catch fire

[prime valve]

the back seats dont exist

[stoic ledge]

Nah they're not, a bit overweight for the 1.4T but otherwise not too shabby

[dense shard]

Worse car?

[prime valve]

my Dad's friend had an Insignia and it burned down

[dense shard]

Chevy Impala

[prime valve]

so make that 4

[dense shard]

The fleet special

[stoic ledge]

Wtf are you doing with those cars lol

[dense shard]

oh and the last gen Ford Taurus.

[prime valve]

how do 4 of the same cars catch on fire

[dense shard]

Arson

[stoic ledge]

Vandalism

[prime valve]

he was driving it

[dense shard]

Insurance fraud in that case

[stoic ledge]

Some Passat owner being mad his car in the garage again for it's 300th oil change that year, chain replacement and DSG replacement

Couldn't stand a competitor still driving

[prime valve]

he had the car for 3 weeks

DSG is garbage

nvm i was thinking of a CVT

[dense shard]

I mean... I'd take a Nissan CVT over a Ford DCT

[stoic ledge]

Ah apparently the 2.0 CDTi was recalled for a possible fuel leak at Insignia's

But so have beeb Volvo, VW's, Toyota's, Hyundai, Mazda's, Volvo's, Mercedes's..

[prime valve]

you definitely dont want a German CVT

[stoic ledge]

Very odd those all burned down near you

[prime valve]

they were the CDTi

they have like 10 engine options

idk if all of them were that but at least one was

[stoic ledge]

Oof VW is apparently recalling the brand new Taos already for fuel leaks and fire hazards

[prime valve]

not surprised

VW are just trash quality

not VW group

just VW

[stoic ledge]

True but people somehow still think they're quality

Well Skoda/Seat/base Audi all share the same stuff

[prime valve]

have you seen the inside of a golf

[stoic ledge]

Yes

ID.3 even worse

Skoda has better interiors now than VW

[prime valve]

they are all ugly

yeah

[stoic ledge]

Why get a VW when the Skoda version is:

• less expensive
• roomier
• better looking
• better interior

[prime valve]

i like this but i like the

this one idk just looks cool

[stoic ledge]

I'd rather have a 5er than an A6

Personal opinion

[prime valve]

wtf is this

[stoic ledge]

Believe it or not, but it's the last "good" Golf (design/interior quality wise)

[prime valve]

i like the a5 but it needs to be a 2 door

yes but it still looks ugly

honestly i would rather get a 370z nissan than a golf

same price both have an ugly interior

but the 370z has a better/ cheaper engine to mod

[stoic ledge]

• RWD

[prime valve]

and that

[stoic ledge]

But same price?

[prime valve]

yes

16k GBP for a golf

and 16k for a 370z

golf gti 2016 20 k

2015 370z 19k

[stoic ledge]

Cheapest 2015+ I can find is €35k here for the 370Z

And it's an auto

[prime valve]

UK

prices

idk

it all varies

[stoic ledge]

Yeah worthless as RHD has no export market in Europa

[prime valve]

RHD ?

[stoic ledge]

Right Hand Drive

[prime valve]

oh

wait are you from PL?

[stoic ledge]

No

🇳🇱

[prime valve]

ah

people buy cars from US and Switzerland and use them in Poland

[stoic ledge]

[prime valve]

in other words we Broke

[stoic ledge]

Import market is also big in 🇳🇱

Not US import

[prime valve]

its cheaper

[stoic ledge]

Most are from Germany

[prime valve]

and you get a better interior

and more gadgets

[stoic ledge]

Well new sales, majority are company cara. Private owners don't buy new cars

We have an emissions tax on first registration

Which degrades over time

So when importing a used car it's lower

[stiff burrow]

unpopular opinion i like the new golf, except for the touch/infotainment crap

[stoic ledge]

Very unpopular xD

Must be the first time we disagree on something

[prime valve]

if you like the new interior of the new audi you are a criminal

[stiff burrow]

i think if they replaced the capacitive touch buttons with actual buttons and fixed the infotainment system it would be much better

[prime valve]

wtf is this

about to do some 200fps gaming

[stiff burrow]

thats cool

not sure i would want to live with it tho

[prime valve]

if you dont use it

[stoic ledge]

Nope the infotainment is still incredibly difficult to use

[stiff burrow]

i said "and fixed the infotainment system"

[stoic ledge]

Want to turn off lane keeping assist? Let's go 3 menu's deep as there's no hard button

[stiff burrow]

lol

[stoic ledge]

So basically if they fix the interior it's fine

xD

[stiff burrow]

ppl be like "wow perfect car interior 🤩 "

[prime valve]

every german is complicated

[stoic ledge]

Meh nah

BMW is generally fine... Mercedes was ok except the new S/C putting everything in screens

Opel is also fine and still German

[stiff burrow]

i like the panamera's interior. is nice

oh this is an old one

[stoic ledge]

The exterior not so much xD

Yes

[prime valve]

old Panamera

its real ugly

[stiff burrow]

this is the right pic xD

[prime valve]

this one is ok

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

I do hate the fact it has a fake key on the left of the steeringwheel lol

[prime valve]

this one the cayenne

[stoic ledge]

I like light interiors, but that's just too much

[stiff burrow]

steering wheel inspired by mazda rx7 🤩

[stoic ledge]

1st Cayenne btw

[prime valve]

that steering wheel is ugly

its literally a triangle

[stoic ledge]

I think he's talking about the Panamera

I like the new Panamera one

[prime valve]

new one is cool

[stiff burrow]

the new ones are nice

[prime valve]

i like porsche they just look extra cool

[stiff burrow]

me too

[stoic ledge]

It's a Beetle
Runs

[prime valve]

the carrera 4 s

new one

[stiff burrow]

i am also probably in the minority on this one but i like the lucid air's interior too

[stoic ledge]

I definitely like the Lucid Air

[stiff burrow]

the steering wheel looks pretty bad though

[stoic ledge]

It's amazing

[stoic ledge]

It's the best 2-spoke steeringwheel I've seen

[prime valve]

the new civic it actually looks cool

[stiff burrow]

yeah

the new civic is great

[stoic ledge]

I hate 2-spoke and 4-spoke wheels, but I like the Lucid one

[prime valve]

or the hyundai ioniq

or sm

[stoic ledge]

Can't wait to never see a Civic on the road

Idk not a fan of the Ioniq 5

EV 6 also looks a bit weird

[stiff burrow]

especially the Si

[stoic ledge]

Good cars, don't love the looks

[prime valve]

i like this looks pretty cool

[stiff burrow]

yeah

[stoic ledge]

Seen a few irl, looks worse than in the pictures

[stiff burrow]

they took inspiration from the cybertruck on the back though

[stoic ledge]

This was probably designed earlier

[dense shard]

not really?

It's based on the Hyundai Pony I recall.

[prime valve]

the cyber truck doesnt even exist

there is a concept but no car

[dense shard]

Tesla doesn't get to claim shit until they bring it to market.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah they hint back to it

[dense shard]

I kinda see it

[stoic ledge]

But the Ioniq 45 concept was already unveiled in 2019

[civic girder]

The new Civic looks good, but its too reminiscent of the Jetta.

[dense shard]

Anyway. No one is stealing anything from Tesla's exterior design.

Tesla has nothing to offer style wise

[stiff burrow]

to me the triangle back kinda looks like the top of the cybertruck

[prime valve]

mainly the body panel alignment

[stoic ledge]

Tesla has nothing to offer style wise
Ftfy

[dense shard]

What triangle back?

The only thing I see in the Ioniq 5 is a Lancia Delta

[prime valve]

Lancia Delta

the one that had a turbo and a supercharger

[dense shard]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Lancia_Delta_HF_4WD_1986.jpg/1920px-Lancia_Delta_HF_4WD_1986.jpg Same energy

[prime valve]

first car to have it

[stoic ledge]

Yes

Wait

No

😛

[civic girder]

you may as well make that Tesla's design in general. Their interior's are just as worthless

[dense shard]

It looks like a Chrysler

[prime valve]

that is a r63s

[stiff burrow]

only thing worthwhile with tesla is their powertrains. those are pretty good. but otherwise garbage

[dense shard]

Sure, but my opinions on hyper minimalism aside, at least the Model 3 interior is unique.

[stoic ledge]

Some Chrysler's were sold as Lancia's

[dense shard]

And the Model S was first with the vertical screen.

[prime valve]

interiors in a tesla

extra shit

[dense shard]

That is one design element that's moved on to other automakers.

Volvo, RAM, Ford

Of which only Volvo did it right.

[civic girder]

I'd argue not really. They were just first to the game. Only a matter of time before other companies rapidly outpace Tesla in a fraction of the time.

[stoic ledge]

Pls gib physical controls

[dense shard]

What makes Tesla powertrains so great tho?

Lucid Air is more compact.

Power isn't hard to make. Look at GM

[stoic ledge]

Although I do like the Volvo interiors

[civic girder]

Unique in an awful way, sure 😛

[dense shard]

Scalability of platforms is something Telsa lacks

[civic girder]

yea,

[stoic ledge]

Efficiency, although BMW is also there now, and Lucid probably surpassing

[dense shard]

That's something GM has

Hot car meme aside. Ultimum or whatever is the future.

[civic girder]

the upcoming Toyota EV promises to be pretty solid too. Very long lasting

[prime valve]

arent EVs just a one time use car

[dense shard]

A future bright enough for Honda.

[prime valve]

you really cant repair them

[dense shard]

One time use?

[civic girder]

what

[dense shard]

You can repair em.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah when the battery runs out you replace it with a new car

[prime valve]

Which Tesla can you repair ?

[stiff burrow]

didn't say they were great, just good. i haven't driven a tesla but from what ive heard and read, tesla seems to be the benchmark for fast EVs. their motors have "kick" that others dont.

[civic girder]

Oop, time to sell the house brenda

[dense shard]

Tesla isn't all EVs

And all EVs aren't Tesla.

[prime valve]

Audi

Rimac

BMW

[dense shard]

Tesla isn't even the best selling EV maker out there right now

[civic girder]

all of them. For the price of your internal organs and all your assets.

[stiff burrow]

[fathom socket]

Tesla is more like stock market

[prime valve]

if i remeber a 7 series BMW hybrid if the battery dies its a total

[civic girder]

Could straight up buy a brand new Corolla for the price of a battery replacement in a Tesla

[stoic ledge]

Stock market? More like casino

[dense shard]

I did

Unlike the battery I can enjoy a Corolla

[prime valve]

its like 20k usd i think

[fathom socket]

Same thing. You just gamble

[civic girder]

its more than that but yes

[civic girder]

Probably only because its ungodly expensive and not worth it bc the car sucks anyway

[prime valve]

the battery pack is 13k usd

[stiff burrow]

opinions on this? seems to be like a bolt replacement. base price $30k

[civic girder]

case in point

[prime valve]

why 13k

[stoic ledge]

Would buy if it was sold here for thst price

[civic girder]

Well priced, but being GM longevity and reliability is suspect

[stoic ledge]

Depending on the battery size

[civic girder]

range is also very important

[dense shard]

30k EV is a winner in my books

Looks okay even

[civic girder]

better than the silverado ev, that's for sure

[prime valve]

looks cool but the actual car will look 100% different

[dense shard]

Give me 250 miles, and I'm sold.

[dense shard]

I don't think so tbh

[stiff burrow]

i can get past the strange looks on the silverado EV for all the features it has. especially the mid gate

[dense shard]

That looks fairly finished as far as products go.

[stiff burrow]

they say the "base range" is 300 mi but i highly doubt it is actually 300 mi

[dense shard]

holy shit

[stoic ledge]

[dense shard]

That's a banger

I'll consider a GM

[prime valve]

300 mi with perfect conditions yes

reality 240

[dense shard]

yes, and my car gets 40mpg, under perfect conditions

[stoic ledge]

With those specs I'd even import one

[dense shard]

Then again other automakers don't fudge the range like Tesla does

[stiff burrow]

yeah

[dense shard]

Tesla's is from 100% to dead

[stiff burrow]

interior

[dense shard]

Other EV makers have built in a bit of a buffer

[prime valve]

if batteries didnt lose range because of too much heat or too little id say they are nice

[stiff burrow]

but i think this is like a drawing or something it looks weird

[dense shard]

I appreciate the hard HVAC controls

[stoic ledge]

Looks good

[dense shard]

I see only one issue

glossy black capactive touch wheel buttons

[stiff burrow]

seems like GM is sticking with physical controls for their cars. i have a cadillac CT4 and they rolled back from entirely touch screen controls to hard controls

[stiff burrow]

yeah

[dense shard]

Everyone who starts doing all digital controls backtracks

Because all digital controls are objectively worse.

Less precise, looks worse, feels worse, and looks worse.

And is less safe

[stiff burrow]

in another picture they look to be actual buttons

[prime valve]

no idea what you are talking about they seem amazing

[dense shard]

They aren't amazing.

Try using a touch screen without using it.

[stiff burrow]

somebody in germany (i think) went off the road because they were trying to change wiper speed in a tesla 😬

[prime valve]

its a great finger print magnet

[stiff burrow]

this is the base model/white interior. i think the steering wheel just has big buttons lol

[dense shard]

A physical knob/button feels better to use than tapping at a blank piece of plastic.

[prime valve]

after months of use it feels like trash

[dense shard]

oh... doesn't even look glossy

[prime valve]

ofc

[dense shard]

GM has no right to make something this nice

[prime valve]

i was trying to be sarcastic

[dense shard]

sarcasm doesn't translate very well

[stiff burrow]

lul

[dense shard]

Nor do I know you well enough, yet

so yeah, my b

[prime valve]

is cool

every car with a million screens just reminds me of this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHf2uKoAXY&ab_channel=⃤

[stiff burrow]

i think they are just trying to repair their image and draw in new customers for their EVs

[dense shard]

good

Because whatever r/cars on reddit may think

EVs are going to play a huge role in our future

[stiff burrow]

yeah

[dense shard]

Tho I have mixed feelings on killing all gas engine development.

Seems premature imo

[prime valve]

its a money move at this point

[stiff burrow]

hopefully the ultium platform is good, GM has a deal with honda to manufacture EVs for them

[dense shard]

Honda fucked up

[stiff burrow]

one for honda & one for acura

yea so did toyota

[prime valve]

is honda and acura the smae company ?

[dense shard]

yes

[prime valve]

ok

[dense shard]

Toyota at least has a viable EV to be sold soon.

The Honda e is a meme

Honda showed us what they can do... and did nothing.

[stoic ledge]

Honda e underdelivered like crazy

[dense shard]

No surprise.

[stiff burrow]

acura is to honda like audi is to VW

[prime valve]

it has a hdmi port

[dense shard]

It's an expensive super mini

[prime valve]

aaaa

[dense shard]

Buy an ID.4 and still have enough left over for dinner

[stiff burrow]

honda e be like o_o

[stoic ledge]

Imagine buying an ID.4

[dense shard]

VW's EVs are nice

well look nice

If they last a long time... we'll see

[prime valve]

the id 4 looks like a e tron sports back

like soooo close

[stiff burrow]

id consider an id 4

[stoic ledge]

Enyaq > ID.4

[prime valve]

looks like a gle too

[stiff burrow]

what the hell is that

[stoic ledge]

The Skoda brother

Better interior

Bigger

Less expensive

Better looking on the outside

[stiff burrow]

oh

[prime valve]

honestly all cars now look the same

[stoic ledge]

A.k.a the better ID.4

[dense shard]

yeah I don't agree all cars look the same now

They always looked the same

[stiff burrow]

well if i wanted an enyaq i'd have to import it just like you would have to import that electric chevy

[stoic ledge]

[prime valve]

not really

[dense shard]

Everything in the 70s and 80s looked the same

[prime valve]

they had some difference the only thing looking different is the headlights

[dense shard]

Ford Falcon to Chevy Nova

[prime valve]

thats merica cars

germans

i think they looked different

[dense shard]

The only difference the Germans had was the shape of the grill

It was all boxs on wheels

It's just one box had kidney grills

The other had a big grill

Now one has a massive kidney grill, and looks horrible.

[stiff burrow]

i think my favorite looking EV right now is the Audi RS etron GT

[dense shard]

oh look, it's a Passat

[dense shard]

no wait Jetta

They look very similiar

[prime valve]

same year

[stiff burrow]

the taycan looks so good but the headlights look like some 2005 emo girl's makeup

[prime valve]

they have wheels and doors

[dense shard]

Common styling elements of the late 90s

Big upright grill, upright tall green house.

[prime valve]

one is round

[dense shard]

fairly boxy

They're both fairly boxy tbh

And are more alike in styling than a new Corolla vs Civic

[prime valve]

i disagree

[dense shard]

or Mazda 3 vs Corolla

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Chevrolet_Chevy_II_1964_(6142537870).jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/1967_Falcon_Futura_Sports_Coupe_(12894577035).jpg

[prime valve]

merica

Mazdas arent real cars

[dense shard]

Yes, and you can't ignore the biggest market on the planet.

[prime valve]

real similar

[dense shard]

nearly identical

[stiff burrow]

i thought they were the same car at first

[dense shard]

If I cared nothing about cars I'd assume they're made by the same company

[prime valve]

the grill is the only difference

and fender

[dense shard]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/'67_Dodge_Dart_Coupe_(Auto_classique_Jukebox_Burgers_'11).jpg

[prime valve]

and hard top

[dense shard]

The differences are subtle.

[prime valve]

other than that i see no difference

its like the gt86 and the brz

or wrx or whatever it is

yes collab but the only difference is the badge

[dense shard]

If you look, there are always subtle design elements being passed on generation by generation.

90s went slightly blobby

70s was boxy and chrome

00s we don't talk about

[prime valve]

i like boxes

[dense shard]

10s/20s LED lights meaning very narrow headlights, intricate taillights that usually have a swoop, and a fairly large grill

Mazda and Toyota are both excellent examples along with Nissan. Honda scaled it back a bit, but the upped their lighting game

[prime valve]

older cars just appeal to me

although they are squares i like them

[stiff burrow]

🥵

[prime valve]

maybe not the same era but looks good

however this is absolutely beautiful

[dusk ocean]

Mmmm

[haughty ridge]

That Merc evo 2 is just

[jagged coyote]

nah 560 sec amg for me

[jovial mauve]

i want to own a amg at some point

[civic spoke]

AMG Hammer.

[jovial mauve]

i like it but it is to old 😛

[civic spoke]

You're just too young to value the finer things in life.

[jovial mauve]

i said i like it but i also like tech things in cars

[civic spoke]

You saying that ABS isn't high tech?

[civic spoke]

Cringe. That's a 5 series.

[dusk ocean]

I know

It's my 5 series, but everyone thinks its an E30 lol

[civic spoke]

But to be fair. Same size as current 3 series.

[stiff burrow]

there's no better way to attract guys than with a cool car

[dusk ocean]

guys have money, too

My kid thought I was taeking his pic

[pulsar saffron]

s6 snowed in

[jovial mauve]

I want a s6 next car 100%

[civic spoke]

I don't like the understeer of the Audi's.

[charred depot]

Minor play

[outer dew]

fun - pros to ppl who know what it is

[errant dagger]

Toyota hybrid?

[outer dew]

2006 rx400h - had a minor accident a while back and then when i was away it rained for couple weeks

[errant dagger]

Its identical to 2006 Toyota Highlander

[outer dew]

toyota harrier*

highlander is another model.. or was it the eu one..

oh ye sorry - i think they may be actually same model - stylistically lexus is different... still probably lexus is a straight upgrade (unless you want 7 seats)

[outer dew]

reflection is from water surface

[dense shard]

Same platform

Shared with the Camry. Dunno about identical

[dusk ocean]

Guy at my old job got an ES350

It's literally a Camry I believe

it looks, like even sheet metal, like one.

[outer dew]

ye - fwd gas powered base ones same drivetrain.. not the hybrid tho

[civic girder]

It's the same platform and basically the same size as one. Generally I think engine options are similar, but the Lexus does have different styling and a much more upscale interior

[tacit elm]

Finally some snow

[charred depot]

Fuck hyundai i30s

Lowkey bald

[carmine summit]

squares are hot

[prime valve]

i knew it someone will understand

[carmine summit]

i own a mk2 jetta lol

and a mk3

but MK3s are less square

[prime valve]

ooo a nice square

[carmine summit]

I dont have any pics of my MK2 since its currently just sitting without an engine and has been for 3 and a half years now

[prime valve]

there is a mk4 jetta at my uni and it is so slammed to the ground im pretty sure a speed bump will destroy it and its static

[carmine summit]

My MK3 is static

[prime valve]

its slammed but not as much as the one at my uni

like less than half of the wheel i visible

[carmine summit]

I want to go a bit lower but not yet

need to get different wheels first

[prime valve]

BBS?

i think BBS's look nice on german cars

[carmine summit]

currently have BBS RAs

[prime valve]

look pretty mint

[carmine summit]

I look like a mess in this lol, had to rip the front end off my car in the middle of the night before this

at the camping area at the show

[prime valve]

project cars are never finished

[carmine summit]

plan this year is to build a better turbo setup for it

not sure yet if I'm rebuilding the engine yet or waiting

[prime valve]

what engine was in it ?

[carmine summit]

it's a TDI

1.9 AHU

[prime valve]

what power can you get out of it ?

[carmine summit]

Stock is 90

People have made closer to 200

My goal is to get close to 300 at the wheels

[prime valve]

but the torque is good

[carmine summit]

there's someone a few hours from me who built a very similar engine to over 450whp

but it's really heavily modified

[prime valve]

pretty impressive from 90

[carmine summit]

this is what his engine bay looks like right now

between the massive custom injection pump and the 2 turbos you can barely see the engine lol

[stiff burrow]

Those watermarks are so tacky

[carmine summit]

the turbos on this car are very large

its a compound setup

Borgwarner S357 and S471

so a 57mm and a 71mm

feeding a 1.9l

[prime valve]

pretty impressive for a 1.9

[carmine summit]

This is the same as the stock turbo on my engine

It's tiny lol

[prime valve]

is it more expensive to actually build than a petrol ?

[carmine summit]

Sort of

[dense shard]

https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1478802681141645322?t=ENVd0IK1PZyVk8Jf4vGOlw&s=09

Taylor Ogan (@TaylorOgan)

Elon Musk thinks vehicles using LiDAR to detect objects is “lame”, “frickin stupid”, “a fool’s errand”, etc., yet his cars fail to detect children in the middle of the road.

In the 1950s, there was similar opposition to using seat belts.

https://t.co/6xkiUlleG8

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[prime valve]

he is only trying to eliminate children

because they cant work at his factory :)

[civic girder]

what do Teslas use if not lidar

[prime valve]

also i just had a thought public transport ultimate tesla

[carmine summit]

I know people who were doing real time LiDAR environment mapping for automation in high school, elon musk is just dumb

[prime valve]

cameras

[carmine summit]

Vision processing

[civic girder]

fancy seeing you here

[civic girder]

but why

[prime valve]

cheaper

[carmine summit]

Not really

[prime valve]

it might also be because of patents

[civic girder]

yea it can't be any cheaper if my $26k base model Honda has lidar

radar cruise control op

[dense shard]

Anything but lidar

Mainly cameras

Exclusively cameras

[civic girder]

Well it clearly doesn't work lmao

[dense shard]

Read the thread brah

[carmine summit]

Elon Musk is a manchild with a lot of money

[dense shard]

It totally works brah it's just an edge case

[prime valve]

Elon musk is 99% government funded

[carmine summit]

No he's funded by gullible people who bought tesla stock