cars

[jovial mauve]

I have seen alot of BMW with like 1 broken led at the rear, would drive me crazy

[elfin stone]

It was more fun to swap the whole mechanism ^^

[stoic ledge]

Any broken LED would drive me crazy

[elfin stone]

Had to drill out a lot of rivets

[jovial mauve]

Amen

[stoic ledge]

And that shit is glued together often

[elfin stone]

And you would have to replace the whole unit, not just one lamp

[stoic ledge]

Can't even open them to try and replace them

Yeah that's what I was on about xD

LED is cool and all but when one is broken, you can throw away the entire unit

[jovial mauve]

1457 euros

For new one

[elfin stone]

O.o

[dense shard]

Idea is they don't break

[elfin stone]

But stuff does break

that's an internal design flaw of stuff

it does break occasionally

[stoic ledge]

They often last quite a long time... But when they break it costs a fortune to replace

[jovial mauve]

I have yet to see it happen to me our my friends, unless you hit somrthing and like break the entire thing

[stoic ledge]

I don't mind them being LED's, I just them them to be easier to repair

[jovial mauve]

Yeah i get that bit for me i like the enourmes amount of light ot gives so for me its worth the trade of not repairing it

[dense shard]

I'll be upgrading my lights if they break

[elfin stone]

I wish i could use LEDs for my lights, but that would invalidate the cars license

[dense shard]

Go for adaptives, and hold onto the old ones. Prolly fix em

[charred depot]

little things like these which provide blockages to these cars still being used after 25 years

[jovial mauve]

I would love to get the facelift lights but idk it it just fits kek

[jovial mauve]

Wat really?

[elfin stone]

And i could retrofit Xenons, but the Lamps cost a fortune

[charred depot]

in the UK you cant do any retrofitting either

[elfin stone]

Yep, Germany is very specific about that part

[charred depot]

it would fail an MOT but you could just put your halogens in for the MOT heh

[stoic ledge]

LED in reflector is highly illegal

[charred depot]

even if done right its not allowed here

[elfin stone]

Until the Police pulls you over

[charred depot]

but LED in reflector is highly dumb

[stoic ledge]

But yeah people often do this

[jovial mauve]

Ali express my friend has like white is lights for his renault there

[elfin stone]

I have White halogens for my Car, they usually do the job, but i would really appreciate to be able to see farther

[stoic ledge]

Imagine not getting proper halogen lights light Philips or OSRAM

[charred depot]

consume carrots

[stoic ledge]

@elfin stone I think you can install the AFL headlights (needs an adapter loom) and install LED's in those

[elfin stone]

AFL Headlights are Xenon Only on the H, and cost a fortune

[stoic ledge]

Ah are they? Sad

Couldn't remember

They're halogen on the Corsa D xD

[elfin stone]

The normal Xenons are expensive alone, the AFL ones even more

[stoic ledge]

Sadge

[elfin stone]

And i would have to install lots of wiring

A sensor, a control unit etc

[jovial mauve]

I never knew you could switch the unit arround and get in trounle

But like my friend has a cla with halogen lights, he now bought the like led units to replace them is thay illegal in NL?

[stoic ledge]

They have to have certifications

If they were relatively cheap, they're probably illegal

[stoic ledge]

For the D there's an adapter loom available which makes them work but just not steer

[jovial mauve]

Its like the OEM CLA led unit

Only led instead of halogen

Same ones i had on the A

[stoic ledge]

Idk really depends on the units, it's often the sellers webpage

[jovial mauve]

He got them from Wensink so i think he good haha

[elfin stone]

You know what's also highly illegal over here in Germany?

Polishing you Headlights

[stoic ledge]

Uhm should be fine, I hope atleast xD

[stoic ledge]

Wot

[jovial mauve]

Wait what, isnt it recommended to do this to old cars because they like fade

[elfin stone]

"Polishing headlights is clearly prohibited by law. Car headlights have a design approval and may not be modified in principle."

even removing the fine layer of oxidisation counts as "modification"

[remote ridge]

Wait so you would have to replace the whole housing

[elfin stone]

Yep

[remote ridge]

That sucks

[elfin stone]

"By polishing, you wear away the plastic on the headlight, making it no longer in its original condition."

[remote ridge]

Why does the one country with a section of highway without a speed limit have the strictest car laws

[elfin stone]

aka making it's approval invalid

[elfin stone]

For fun

[stoic ledge]

Probably for safety at those high speeds xD

[elfin stone]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[remote ridge]

Yeah that's probably true

[stoic ledge]

But idk as long as the light image stays fine after the polish

Idk if they'd ever notice

[elfin stone]

The thing is: You can't detect if a Headlight has been polished

You'd have to open up the Headlight, making it illegal to use either way

[charred depot]

and if they do find out somehow: bought it like that :^)

[stoic ledge]

We imported a Polo 6R for my sister in law from Germany (weh VW), we had to polish the headlights xD

[remote ridge]

Yeah it seems like a law that doesn't get enforced much

[elfin stone]

You can't enforce it ^^

[remote ridge]

If at all

[elfin stone]

Except if you tell the TÜV guy that you polished them (who would be that stupid though)

[remote ridge]

Only way I guess is to catch you in the act

[elfin stone]

Naah, that's not illegal by itself

because you have to drive the car after that

[remote ridge]

That's true

[stoic ledge]

Really surprising to me the condition the headlights of the Polo where in compared to my Corsa, also other plastics definitely looked more dull than on my Corsa. And that while a year newer and less mileage. I think they really cheaped out on the quality of the plastics

[elfin stone]

BUT you can legally drive your car naked

[stoic ledge]

Let's gooo

[elfin stone]

Because a Car counts as a "Private Space"

But hey: "Washing the car is prohibited on unpaved ground. Because otherwise the chemicals of the cleaning agents can freely seep into the ground. Washing in the garage or a concreted ground, without drainage is allowed."

[elfin stone]

Hey, it's illegal to have an empty gas tank on the Highway over here

[charred depot]

no fuel gauge people 💀

[stoic ledge]

As it should be

[stoic ledge]

Install a backup tank

[elfin stone]

Well, you'll get fined AND towed for that

[stoic ledge]

🚀

[charred depot]

the backup tank is in the boot :^)

[stoic ledge]

[elfin stone]

And Blind People can Park in a Restricted Parking zone for up to 3 hrs

[charred depot]

excuse me

I assume that refers to passengers

[stoic ledge]

My backup tank is the regular Petrol tank

[elfin stone]

Nope, "parking" is defined as driving the car to a parking spot = Having a drivers license

[charred depot]

lol

My saab is getting a new front right headlight : )

no more droopy eye

[stoic ledge]

1.5k LED unit?

[charred depot]

same unit

[elfin stone]

And you are not allowed to store Your Wheels in your garage because they are a potential Fire hazard

[stoic ledge]

Wait what

[jovial mauve]

Lol

[charred depot]

what and wood isnt

[jovial mauve]

I thought NL was bad

[stoic ledge]

But a car isn't a fire hazard

Or do you have to take of the wheels after parking it in the garage

[elfin stone]

Storing your Bicycle in your garage is also illegal

[charred depot]

the previous owners of my saab have bumped a few things in their time, still good other than the headlight adjuster breaking.

[stoic ledge]

Thonk

[charred depot]

strongk bumpers

[stoic ledge]

Stronk

[charred depot]

its also getting a new power steering rack

[elfin stone]

But away from Car related laws: one of our countries has a cable car law, even though there are no cable cars in that country

[charred depot]

the rack drips onto the exhaust so my car constantly smells of burning power steering fluid

[elfin stone]

eww

[charred depot]

it adds character

[elfin stone]

My car has a dent at an impossible spot, THAT adds character

[charred depot]

my car shows its emotional state through where its headlight wipers land

[elfin stone]

Headlight wipers?

[elfin stone]

Looks sad

[charred depot]

55 miles into ownership

[elfin stone]

eyy

For many more to come

[charred depot]

with new engine myes

[elfin stone]

Did you check the engine yet? It has that light on

😉

[charred depot]

checked many times, it is a bit loose due to a broken motor mount.

[elfin stone]

not good

[charred depot]

id love to stock up on parts and keep it as a forever car but fuel prices will go to the moon soon enough.

[elfin stone]

Diesel? Try Sunflower* oil

[charred depot]

that works fine for my peugeot 305

best engine for it

[elfin stone]

At least we have the same ideas ^^

I could run my engine on ethanol, but that would need some modifications

[charred depot]

my cars may be banned from scottish city centres soon so yikes

[elfin stone]

But they stopped selling E85 a few years ago

[elfin stone]

That's not good

[charred depot]

I hope they do a 40 year+ exemption

30+ would be ebic but I understand if not

[elfin stone]

Was just about to ask about that, we have a 30+ exception

[charred depot]

theres a good chance we get a 40 year+ exemption but no guarantees

30 I doubt we will get

It really doesent affect much there isnt many 30+ year old cars going about

[elfin stone]

I am planning to get my H to 30 years, could be funny ^^

1 3rd already made

[charred depot]

saab is 27 peugeot is 36

gets enforced 2024

[elfin stone]

bad moment

[charred depot]

reddit ev people saying ev's are affordable. me and my £450 car.

EV conversion could be interesting if forced but I doubt it will ever get cheap enough.

[stoic ledge]

bUt ThE tCo Is LoWeR

Sure, if you can spend 60k in the first place

[stoic ledge]

Classic

That's why the average age of the car is getting older

🚀

[stoic ledge]

It's a transition which will take time

And it will happen

But it will take time

[charred depot]

Yeah, but the market will never be as cheap it definetely knocks out the lower income people.

[stoic ledge]

And EVangelists need to understand not everybody can spend 50k on a car

[charred depot]

The battery is the value of an EV.

[stoic ledge]

Batteries degrade.... And then you blow the car up

[prime valve]

did you know because of EVs Poland is lacking 10% of it electricity to power the country

[charred depot]

mfw you buy an old EV you can afford then a battery module fails 💀

[stoic ledge]

Just ban crypto currency, that's 8% of the world power consumption so that'll counteract the 10% EV increase

🧠

[prime valve]

Poland doesnt have many miners coz electricity is real expensive

[stoic ledge]

Is it?

[prime valve]

yeah

[charred depot]

its poland what isnt expensive (relative to avg income)

[prime valve]

yeah

but selling EVs and we cant even function with the electricity we have

thats real dumb

also isnt Elon Musk the guy that is promising cars and taking money and not giving a product?

[stoic ledge]

That's in a lot of countries tho, the infrastructure isn't there and the green energy production isn't either

> Elon Musk

[prime valve]

i dont understand why EVs are being pushed so fast when countries cant even cope

the ultimate iq test

[stoic ledge]

Because they want to pretend they're the best kid in class

[prime valve]

UK 2027 all electric cars in London

that date has changed at least 20 times

[stoic ledge]

It will keep changing as they figure out it won't be obtainable

[prime valve]

Teslas are only for youtubers

[stoic ledge]

And iNfLuEnCeRs

Oh and company cars in 🇳🇱

[charred depot]

mfw people have to accept the reality that cars are bad ICE or Electric

[remote ridge]

In countries like Poland, I think, where they have a solid supply of renewable energy electric cars make much more sense

[stoic ledge]

Sales going great

[prime valve]

Poland has a lot of power cuts because they use 100 year old power lines

[remote ridge]

Must be a different country I'm thinking of then

[prime valve]

Tesla made more of Bitcoin then they did in sales

[stoic ledge]

> crypto

[prime valve]

the only cool EV is the Porsche Taycan

[charred depot]

be funny if they were mining crypto on teslas

[prime valve]

aha someone is actually trying to do it

[stoic ledge]

Tesla presenting themselves as "green" but crypto is far from green

[prime valve]

apparently the new teslas will use a Radeon graphics card or sm like that cant remember

[charred depot]

cars are inherently ungreen

whatever you push them alongwith

[prime valve]

Also arent Teslas the worst at neing repairable car ever

[charred depot]

but tis the world we have made and live in

probably

[prime valve]

i didnt choose this

i want a old car but the UK is being dumb and wanting thing like minimum 10 years so i dont pay millions for insurance

[charred depot]

some things are ok

depends where you live maybe, I'm sort of in the middle of nowhere so : )

My saab is very cheap

[prime valve]

i live out of london

[charred depot]

yikes

[stoic ledge]

Saab spelled backwards is baas == boss

[prime valve]

i lived in London before and they wanted 7.5k for iinsurance

[stoic ledge]

😎

[prime valve]

thats why i now want a bike

[charred depot]

yeah if you want cheap insurance get as far away from civilization as you can in the UK

[prime valve]

i live next to Luton

[charred depot]

actually its unfair to call london civilization :^)

[prime valve]

not next to but like 30 miles away not really next to

[charred depot]

too close for comfort

[prime valve]

it went down by 3k for insurance

but still a dumb price

[charred depot]

when I was 19 last year it was £350 to insure my 27/y saab

for a year

[prime valve]

wtf

this some bs

[charred depot]

£500 for me to insure a 2000 2.0 hdi Peugeot 406 with zero no claims available

[prime valve]

what

how far do you live out of london ?

[charred depot]

Eh try Scotland

I hear Somerset has cheap prices too.

[prime valve]

that is cheap

[charred depot]

do you have some boomers as named drivers when you are running quotes?

it helps a fair bit

[prime valve]

not really

my Dad is a professional driver

[charred depot]

worth naming them even if they arent going to drive the car

[prime valve]

16 or 17 years he has had his license and he only crashed his car once

the wrest people have crashed into him

[civic girder]

Wow, people are gaining intelligence

[prime valve]

is that a prius

?

[civic girder]

yes, and?

[charred depot]

Mum has 25 years+ noclaims on her policy.

[prime valve]

prius GTS ?

[civic girder]

what

never heard of a gts trim for the Prius

[prime valve]

this

gts is a different one

prius G

[civic girder]

[charred depot]

I hope this isnt a production model

[civic girder]

absolutely not

[charred depot]

slightly, unfitting

[prime valve]

it only appeared once at SEMA in 2016

[civic girder]

nah, Toyota races the Prius in Japanese GT

as a hybrid too iirc

[charred depot]

against other hybrids or?

[civic girder]

no, I don't think so

[charred depot]

be interesting for balancing performance

[civic girder]

The Prius GT300 is a hybrid V8

but in any case, idk where this juice kid thought I'd have a SEMA Prius

[prime valve]

maybe a regular prius is an eye sore?

[stoic ledge]

They're not basically free anymore as a company car and people don't want to actually pay for it

[civic girder]

ironic

[civic girder]

copium

[prime valve]

it looks like a banana

[charred depot]

true banana car

[prime valve]

that is a box

but i like it

[charred depot]

literally the worst

[prime valve]

no

[charred depot]

and he's had lada's

[prime valve]

look at audis or bmw

Lada

Lada in the Uk ?

[charred depot]

Yes

[prime valve]

i want to see

it

[charred depot]

And apparently or lada's were so good the russians imported them back from us

[civic girder]

you mean trash?

[prime valve]

Lada's have a a motorcycle engine that wont die

bruh Prius

[charred depot]

the banana cars looks are fine but it has no weight over the front wheels

[prime valve]

the fiat 125p o knew someone that had it dude although its a potato

it was a cool car

[charred depot]

needs a bag of concrete in the frunk

[prime valve]

London has 0 flavour of cars

[charred depot]

I rarely see anything interesting here outside of what me and my friends own

[prime valve]

made for slavs so im guessing it would have that in it at all times

[stoic ledge]

Yeah tbh I don't really often see interesting cars here either

[prime valve]

London is just BMW MERC

[stoic ledge]

Just cars you see everyday

[fathom socket]

My neighbour used to have FSO 125p

[charred depot]

If I see an old car I know who owns it.

[prime valve]

in the UK ?

[fathom socket]

Poland

[prime valve]

Oh thats like standard

[charred depot]

I want to import a FSO Polonez, I probably would have by now if the steering wheel would be on the correct side.

[fathom socket]

Never seen one since it dissapears ever again

[prime valve]

The UK is the only one that drives on the wrong side

[charred depot]

well no

[dense shard]

It dies all the time

Ladas are kinda rubbish

Not even ambitious, just cheap

[prime valve]

You can take a Lada apart with one key

[fathom socket]

Ladies are made so you can fix them like Sims

[charred depot]

Lada Niva with a XUD9

[dense shard]

Easy to repair doesn't mean reliable

[fathom socket]

Just bang it with a hammer

[dense shard]

Or durabile

[prime valve]

The Lada is the OG of slavic swag

[fathom socket]

I think it's more reliable than my car

[prime valve]

its like those old Russian motorcycles you drive 10 km and they push it back 10 km

[charred depot]

One of my top favourite cars, that I will probably never be able to own.

[dense shard]

Ignoring the 125p and the 126p?

[prime valve]

those are Polish

[dense shard]

Yes?

[prime valve]

and i have seen them

[dense shard]

Poland is Slavic

[fathom socket]

Honestly I have no idea what's that

[charred depot]

Vauxhall Chevette

[prime valve]

yes it is but its not new to me

my uncle has 4 or 5 125p

one with a trailer in yellow

and one of my other uncles has a 126p

[dense shard]

You have achieved peak Slav

[prime valve]

yes they are classics but are they slavic like the Lada dont think so

[dense shard]

A Lada is just a shittier version of the 125

[fathom socket]

I saw 126p for sale and they wanted 2x for what I have paid for my puegeout 307 św

[dense shard]

They are literally Slavic

[prime valve]

yes but its the ultimate slav mobile

[dense shard]

Can't agree

[fathom socket]

I can't even sit in it

[prime valve]

also anthing above 6ft in a 125p not recommended

[fathom socket]

Most Eastern cars are borrowed or stolen design

[dense shard]

Most Slavic car is the Syrenka.

[prime valve]

you literally sit in it like a strawberry lace

[charred depot]

get real

[dense shard]

Pretty sure that's mostly original

[fathom socket]

Idk what's that, but I'm like 193 cm

[prime valve]

Trabant

[fathom socket]

Trabant

More like angry wasp

[prime valve]

im 6ft 6 so like idk 6ft 3 or 4

[dense shard]

Here we go

[fathom socket]

Syrena?

[dense shard]

Poland's answer to Saab

Yep

[prime valve]

look at it mice love it

they will eat it its made of glass fibre

[dense shard]

FSO had some absolute bangers

[prime valve]

my uncle also had it or has this one too

[charred depot]

What about a Lada Samara, shame they are FWD

[prime valve]

and Warburg

reverse in a Warburg literally looks like you broke the gear leaver

it literally just flops backwards

[prime valve]

have you seen the new one ?

looks like a datsun

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/RFU6UKthtb8

[stoic ledge]

More like the Daihatsu Copen

[prime valve]

prove me wrong that isnt the just ultimate slav mobile

also yes i meant that

[dense shard]

Ultimate slav mobile is whatever I'm driving at the moment

[prime valve]

which is

[dense shard]

At one point it was a Suzuki Cervo

[prime valve]

the Passat 1.9tdi

[dense shard]

Today it's a Corolla hatchback

Or Grand Cherokee

[prime valve]

grand cherokee nice car

trackhawk is minty

[stoic ledge]

No red, Red T, red TD or red TDI?

[dense shard]

If it didn't have 265k?

Also it's an 01 lol

[prime valve]

classic Poland

[charred depot]

do 2nd gen mondeos fall under slav car

[prime valve]

never

[charred depot]

close enough

[prime valve]

or maybe

nah

audi a4 b5

[dense shard]

Absolutely

[prime valve]

slavic check

[dense shard]

Mondeos are brilliant

[prime valve]

no

it has to be volvo

if you dont see it only your grandmas road its not slavic

[stoic ledge]

Were, as they're discontinued

🥲

Although they have announced a cross over replacement is coming

🥲

[charred depot]

aaaaaaaa

[stoic ledge]

bbbbbbbb

[prime valve]

cccccccc

[dense shard]

Tall wagon

Maybe even an outback killer

[stoic ledge]

Probably similar to this

Same path Citroen moved to with the C5 (now C5 X)

[prime valve]

if its all screens inside its ugly

[stoic ledge]

Not all but a big part in the Citroen

I think it looks good

[stoic ledge]

The Evos is all screen

[civic girder]

that actually looks like a half decent interior

more minimal than the Citroen and actually incorporates the screen into the shape of the dash, rather than a tacked on last second addition

[stoic ledge]

But physical HVAC controls > all

[civic girder]

Its clean with flowing lines and no overly busy clashing materials

[civic girder]

Generally speaking, but if properly implemented digital controls could be just as good. I mean, modern HVAC controls just interface with a computer module anyway

gone are the days of cable operated HVAC

you can have DTC codes for the HVAC system for christ's sake

[stoic ledge]

But y33ting up a dial > going in a menu and tap tap tap

[civic girder]

again, depends on implementation

its possible to have shortcuts on the steering wheel, or make the UI use dials or sliders

[stoic ledge]

Haven't encountered a screen only implementation I like yet

Shortcuts on the steeringwheel for HVAC are very uncommon

[civic girder]

A lot of modern cars actually have dual physical and touch controls

[stoic ledge]

Redundant controls are fine

[civic girder]

Fair. My Prius had it, which was very necessary bc its screen was slow and sucked

[stoic ledge]

Yeah Prius is the only modern car I could think of

[civic girder]

I don't remember how the Mach E's HVAC is controlled. I only sat in one once

so I'm interested to see how its implemented when my dad finally gets his

[stoic ledge]

It's permanently on the bottom

Iirc

[civic girder]

ah, so its at least decent

no menu hunting required

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

Also direct heated seat "buttons"

So it's not horrendous

[civic girder]

meanwhile tesla and their ipad controlled vent directions

[stoic ledge]

🤮

[civic girder]

yea

awful

ong a PT Cruiser is a nicer vehicle than any Tesla

[stoic ledge]

Kia now uses a separate screen which looks like HVAC controls are also are HVAC controls, but they can switch and show radio/media controls

Which is a nice touch

[civic girder]

My honda has physical buttons but uses a separate screen to indicate modes

its all one module, somewhat like the Kia, but with no touch

that Kia module is excellent tho

[stoic ledge]

You I think it looks nice

[charred depot]

all ya neeed

[stoic ledge]

The only problem I have is... The volume button changes to the temperature button and vice versa

[civic girder]

ew, dials

[stoic ledge]

That's not great tbh

[civic girder]

fully dial hvac is disgusting

[stoic ledge]

Cassette based

[charred depot]

I love the 5 blanks,

just to let you know it is truly poverty spec

[stoic ledge]

I have that too

[stoic ledge]

No AC

[civic girder]

It's a staple of late 90s and 2000s american cars

its hideous

too many circles

[charred depot]

is it really hvac when theres no AC

[civic girder]

HV

hold the ac

[stoic ledge]

HV

[civic girder]

[stoic ledge]

Also no CC?

Real poverty spec for a Saab

[civic girder]

My Corolla was an almost top trim and doesn't have cc

cc was optional on the 5spd, but standard on the auto

[charred depot]

I could retrofit it, have access to a parts car but also have a case of the cant be fucked.

[stoic ledge]

Sure but Saab was a more upscale brand

[civic girder]

the 3spd auto Corollas were shitspec, but ironically not poverty spec

[charred depot]

later models all had CC

[stoic ledge]

3spd auto

[civic girder]

I mean, the 4spd auto my Corolla could have had was used until the 11th gen of Corolla lol

[stoic ledge]

[civic girder]

and it wasn't a new trans in 93 either

12th gen switched to CVT

[charred depot]

theres a v6 griffin saab 95 for sale £300 but the insurance is stonks with it being an auto 🗿

also its been sitting in a damp field for 10 years so it is moderately holy

[civic girder]

but at least the Corolla CVT doesn't fake shift

its a true CVT

with an underpowered engine

so in the end its still kinda ass

[stoic ledge]

I think they can mimic shifts

[civic girder]

gross

where's my 2L hybrid

[stoic ledge]

You can get the Corolla with a 1.2 Turbo here

🚀

Also with a manual

I think only with a manual even

[charred depot]

I thought the underseal in my wheel arches had a funny texture

nope it was just a solid layer of salt

[civic girder]

if it was a 1.2L turbo rotary, then we could talk

but a 1.2L 4 banger? that's cringe

[stoic ledge]

Ok no also with a CVT

[civic girder]

Man

I can only imagine how slow that must be

[stoic ledge]

It's an I4 yes

Nowadays you can be happy it's not an I3

🥲

0-62 in 10.1s

[civic girder]

if it was an L3 it'd at least save me having hopes its usable

[stoic ledge]

According to Toyota

[civic girder]

cap

probably more like 0-50 in 16s

[stoic ledge]

Nah they're not that bad, they've okay torque

Probably the same as the 2.0N/A

[civic girder]

We can't forget that my RX-7 was marketed with a 0-50 time rather than a 0-60 time

[stoic ledge]

[civic girder]

but in the end, still faster 0-60 than the 1.2L turbo eurospec corolla

[stoic ledge]

Golf, Octavia, Leon all come with a 1.0 TSI, Focus 1.0 EcoBoost. All I3

Peugeot 308/Opel Astra/DS 4 1.2 PureTech I3

[civic girder]

yea, at least I know its an i3 so I have no hopes and dreams of it being decent

[stoic ledge]

Hell for even put the 1.0 EcoBoost in the Mondeo/Fusion for a while

[stoic ledge]

True

I was looking at potential next cars for my parents, with one of the few requirements an I4 ... The amount of cars popping up is getting slim

[civic girder]

i3s haven't caught on here yet

[stoic ledge]

I actually think every car in that segment starts with an I3 now, except the Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla

[civic girder]

primarily bc it wouldn't sell

[stoic ledge]

Be glad

[civic girder]

our highways are too spread out for a shitty low power car to sell more than a few hundred examples

[stoic ledge]

Don't really need loads of power for highway driving

I cruise at 85mph all day long with 83hp

[civic girder]

yea, but with 83hp in a modern car, you'd be literally pushed off the road before you got there in the US

at least in europe, everything is slow af so there's less risk

[stoic ledge]

Well depends on the weight ofc

[civic girder]

here there's still tons of v6 and v8 cars, and even turbo 4 cars have a lot of kick

[stoic ledge]

• how you drive

Not everybody is driving full throttle

[civic girder]

I often have to take my Honda out of eco mode to merge safely on the highway

[stoic ledge]

I can keep up with the average people accelerating even with faster cars as they drive like half pedal

[civic girder]

Yea, most cars at half throttle here would probably out run those cars lol

[stoic ledge]

Idk I can merge with atleast 60mph at the start of the merge lane in any scenario, most cases 70-80

That's not a problem merging

[stoic ledge]

Tbh I think you underestimate how good they accelerate

What's the acceleration of your Insight?

[civic girder]

in eco mode, I have to give it like 60% pedal to merge; and that's in a low traffic situation where merging slower is doable, and also perfectly acceptable given a downhill on-ramp

In normal mode, I can use 30% pedal for as good, if not better acceleration

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/DNUCaPRjeXA

[civic girder]

I've never really tested it, but my Insight is probably faster in normal and/or sport mode

how much do cars typically weigh over there?

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/DKXxeBQ329s

Apparently 8s to 60? So basically the same

[stoic ledge]

Reaaaally depends on the segment/size of the car ofc

[civic girder]

here average sedan is around 3000-3500lbs

suvs close in on 4k lbs

compact suvs don't matter bc you're an idiot if you buy one of those god forsaken death traps

[stoic ledge]

The Corsa in that video is like 1100kg with the automatic

The one in the video even had the 6spd auto, they now have an 8spd

[civic girder]

yea, that's why the acceleration is acceptable

[stoic ledge]

Well yeah ofc

It also as 230Nm of torque which is quite decent

[civic girder]

that's actually barely 100lbs more than my RX-7 and Corolla weigh

[stoic ledge]

Corolla 2.0 in the US has 205Nm of torque

So the 1.2T is more powerful than the Corolla 2.0

[civic girder]

issue is those cars can't sell here bc people would be chased off by the power figures, regardless of its actual real world performance. Plus tiny cars don't sell particularly well anyway, americans are used to a lot of space

[stoic ledge]

True, but we don't have the space

• road tax would be crazy

So would emissions tax be

[civic girder]

exactly why you have those cars and we don't

[stoic ledge]

Still, I don't want a 3-cyl

You know what's even worse than a 3-cyl?

a) A 2-cyl (Fiat 500(L (Living))/Panda)
b) A 3-cyl diesel

Fiat has the TwinAir, a 0.9L 2-cyl with or without a turbocharger (60-105hp)

Or rather had, they now only offer a 1.0 MHEV in the 500

[civic girder]

jesus

[stoic ledge]

You know people saying the Chevrolet Spark is slow? US had it with a 1.4, Europe with a 1.2 or a 1.0. 1.0 = 60hp

And yes, that was slow AF

It's predecessor, the Daewoo/Chevrolet Matiz came with a 0.8L

51hp

0-62? 18s

We also have a brand new EV in Europe

The Dacia Spring

0-62mph? 18s

What a looker

All that can be yours for just €18k

Or 20.3k USD

[flint sable]

If you were up for the repair and maintenance costs, and could use a car instead of an SUV, one could find a used F10 M5 for only a grand more,

[dense shard]

The 1.2T apparently runs out of steam fairly fast tho.

Speaking of 3 cylinder engines. Corolla GR spy shots got me warming to the idea gain.

[dense shard]

Sony announces Vision-S electric SUV in challenge to Tesla

https://flip.it/PI6k8R

[fathom socket]

I thought they did that last year aswell

Or is this another Sony car

[fathom socket]

But muh Morgan 3-wheeler

[jovial mauve]

@stoic ledge what do you think the avarge HP is for NL? 130 ish?

oh nvm google says 117

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I think the people who buy those Spring's buy it for 1 thing and 1 thing only: low TCO. Don't think an M5 is a great alternative 😛

[stoic ledge]

Yeah it has more mid-range torque but that's only there as long as the turbo is active, after that it's a bit deas feeling... The 2.0 has more power in the high end of the rev range

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but that's just a cool car, so it's fine 😛 And it's a V2, and 2.0L,

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I was about to say 110hp so we were both close

[viral raptor]

I'm tempted to possibly trade my A3 for a mps mazda 6 but all of them seem to be higher mileage than my A3

[stoic ledge]

F

[viral raptor]

Mazda 6 or a tune 🤔

[jovial mauve]

what year A3?

[stoic ledge]

And what engine 😛

[jovial mauve]

my friend traded in his Corsa today

it shall be missed, was a fun car pretty quick

i think its called GSI for opel?

[stoic ledge]

There was a GSI and an OPC

Atleast for the D

C was GSI

E was OPC

[jovial mauve]

the idk it was pretty fast tho nice rims etc

[stoic ledge]

C GSI = 1.8 (N/A) 125hp
D GSI/OPC = 1.6T 150/192hp (211hp for Nurburgring Edition)
E OPC = 1.6T (207hp)

[jovial mauve]

OPC then

[stoic ledge]

D OPC Nurburgring Edition is ❤️

Did is have a center exhaust?

[jovial mauve]

no one on each side

M135i style

[stoic ledge]

D OPC NRE or E OPC then

[jovial mauve]

he deleted his insta so i cant get picture

but it was quite fun car

he is going VAG now my man

[viral raptor]

2005 with the 2.0tfsi engine

[flint sable]

Yeah it’s not

[jovial mauve]

what year mazda 6?

[viral raptor]

2006

[jovial mauve]

i would keep the audo

audi

[viral raptor]

I like my audi but I do think the mazda looks a bit nicer and it has a 60hp advantage over my A3

[jovial mauve]

what about a4?

[viral raptor]

Nice too but not much of a power difference

[jovial mauve]

is it just raw power your looking for?

is the a3 n/a ?

[viral raptor]

Nah with turbo

[jovial mauve]

tune?

[viral raptor]

I could get around 260 with a tune but the mps has that stock

[jovial mauve]

260hp in a hatchback is more fun tho

[viral raptor]

Yeah but I am also thinking about reliability with the tune

[jovial mauve]

what about BMW

130i

[viral raptor]

Not a big fan of bmw's

Is the 130i AWD?

[jovial mauve]

no

RWD

[viral raptor]

Ah yeah I'd prefer AWD cuz winters can be rough here

[jovial mauve]

what is your budget?

[viral raptor]

Paid 8,9k euros for my A3 so about the same price range so I could possibly just do a trade

[jovial mauve]

gas or diesel?

petrol

[viral raptor]

Petrol

[jovial mauve]

what about VW's?

[lofty compass]

I think it would be great if they made electric cars a lot cheaper and also more charging stations

I think the main issue with them is mostly just charging stations

[fathom socket]

excuse for my language

https://twitter.com/carwowuk/status/1478732569046925312?s=20

carwow (@carwowuk)

INCOMING - new BMW iX M60!

⚡️ 619hp
⚡️ 0-62mph in 3.8 seconds
⚡️ 357-mile range
⚡️ Starting price £111,905

All the latest details: https://t.co/JlOwa4MmgE

Describe the looks with an emoji below! 🤯😍😱😢

Twitter · Jan 5, 2022, 2:18 PM

but what the fuck is this

I have so meny questions

and that license plate spot looks so bad

[stiff burrow]

looks good aside from the weird ass cheek things on the front

[fathom socket]

the front and the steering wheel look hideous

[stiff burrow]

the steering wheel is fine

looks like the c8's steering wheel kinda

it looks derpy but i would buy one

[charred depot]

unless it has a super fast rack that wheel is dummy

[stiff burrow]

maybe im missing something but i don't see why. at least they didnt pull a tesla and cut off half the wheel

[vale geode]

Feel like your driving an f1 car but it's in an oversized rc car!

[stiff burrow]

complaining that an EV isn't a "real car" is just being stuck in the past

[charred depot]

Everyone I know lets the wheel spin in their hands after turning

try that with a non circular wheel

the only justifiable reason I can think of is a lower seating position and im looking at the car..

[stoic ledge]

Still better than the the joke

Sorry, I mean yoke

[charred depot]

maybe im just getting too used to old car turning ratios

[stiff burrow]

Oh I see what you mean now

I agree then

[jovial mauve]

Its fugly

I was confused as to why you did not go wide but then i rememberd

Uk

[charred depot]

its fun to try and stay within the lines

much easier in a mazda 2

[stoic ledge]

Wait you take the wheel from the inside of the spoke?

Why?

[charred depot]

thats a friend

but they are really yanking on the wheel

no power steering here

[jovial mauve]

wow

me like

[prime valve]

is this a real s4?

if yoy like eeeeeee audi you must like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-maOC0wFVw&ab_channel=ArneGrau

[jovial mauve]

Yeah real s4

[bitter compass]

Wagon looks better

that generation had the best looking front

In audi world

[jovial mauve]

Disagree i like sedana more

[civic spoke]

So fresh and so clean.

[civic girder]

nice

[stoic ledge]

I actually think the new Silverado EV looks good 👀

Also the interior 👀

Probably hits the market before the Tesla Cybertruck

[civic girder]

Cringe kinda

interior looks a bit too busy

and the exterior is "You know I have an EV because there's no grille and it looks like it should have one especially because you can clearly see the outline for one"

plus its super tall and probably going to blind anything and everything that isn't a truck

that bodyline also reminds me of the avalanche

[stoic ledge]

Well isn't that with almost any truck?

Ah yes the sides are a bit Avalanchy

[stoic ledge]

Still looks better than the Cybertruck

[dense shard]

It looks okay?

I think I prefer the Ford

[stoic ledge]

I don't mind the look of both the F150 Lightning and this Silverado EV

[dense shard]

It looks like a Rivian without the lights

[stoic ledge]

I think I prefer the exterior from the Ford but the interior of the Chevrolet

Also love the fact the Work Truck version comes with plastic bumpers

[dense shard]

Still costs 50k

[stoic ledge]

40k

[civic girder]

yea, the Lightning looks like a normal ass truck that wasn't slapped with "EV styling"

[stoic ledge]

They literally slapped a closed grill on to it?

[civic girder]

don't forget the poverty spec capless steelies. That looks like shit

[stoic ledge]

As it should be 😉

[civic girder]

It looks like there's a grille there. It mimics the normal F-150 styling while also getting a unique flare

[stoic ledge]

They just try to match the other EV facia, a.k.a the Bolt

[civic girder]

At first glance you wouldn't even know

[civic girder]

it looks bad. And reminds me too much of what I don't like the most about Tesla's exterior design

[stoic ledge]

Get the TrailBoss then, less obvious

It is actually like the Avalance

[civic girder]

That borrows the poverty spec look of the fleet version but with alloy rims and the unibrow of the consumer version

[prime valve]

but the B5

[prime valve]

the better sedan is the custom rs6 c7

[stoic ledge]

It's a completely different front 🤔

[tacit quail]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-car-gif-8039935

[fathom socket]

yeah that looks gool , too bad

[fathom socket]

lolwat

cybertruck is the best looking truck

[stiff burrow]

I think the outline is for the trunk, but yeah. It looks like it should have a grille lol

[stiff burrow]

That’s cus they have a recall/stop sale on the bolt EV. People act like this is some mind blowing thing but it’s just cus they don’t have any EVs on sale now lol.

I agree with you tho MK, it looks nice. And different from the normal Silverado, which it should. New design means better aerodynamics, that’s why the Lightning’s range is bad

[vocal mural]

Volvo

[dense shard]

Yeah, no

Ignoring the fact it's still a concept... and even that's a joke in poor taste

All I'm seeing with the CT right now is Tesla somehow managed to successfully scam a few million people out of money. They've removed the specs, pricing, missed all their production deadlines, and so far all rumors and spy shots point to maybe... 2 prototypes?

The fact that Ford beat them to the punch is astounding... the fact that GM is liable to beat Tesla to the punch with the Chevy is even more amazing.

Imagine being beat to the market by a legacy automaker... a legacy automaker that announced their competitor about 2 years after your fossile fuel killer.

[stiff burrow]

Couldn’t agree more

[dense shard]

Could be worse... it's not like GM announced a new EV that starts at 30k...... .... ... oh wait

[charred depot]

get real

[vocal mural]

Citroën

[charred depot]

broh

lada

[jovial mauve]

well yes

this one was for sale for +/- 130k

800 hp 1150nm

[stoic ledge]

Exactly, I think they nicely incorporated the Chevrolet EV facia (Bolt) to the truck. Also the interior is different from the standard Silverado, which is a nice touch. Although Ford did the same ofc with the Lightning

Curious to see how they'll compare IRL, the F-150 and Silverado EV.

Actually funny how they could've kep this under the radar for so long, haven't seen any spyshots of the Silverado EV yet whereas for the Electric F-150, it was clear for years it was in development

Probability as everyone thought it was for the Hummer xD

[solemn inlet]

Woah

That BMW e-ink tech is the start of colour changing cars

https://youtu.be/tcLX9wcPQT4

[charred depot]

does it automatically send away a V5C with the colour updated to the DVLA each time :^)

[solemn inlet]

Works like those tablets did

Forgot what they’re called

[stoic ledge]

E-readers

It's e-ink

[fathom socket]

E-milk

[eager grove]

The Chevy having the mid-gate is cool as fuck. I think the Lightning looks better

[vocal mural]

Bye, Sweden

[civic spoke]

Don't hit the door on the way out.

[vocal mural]

Now Great Belt Bridge

5 more bridges to go

Little Belt bridge, Rader Hochbrücke, Weserbrücke, Cortenoeversebrug and Alexander Verhuellbridge

[dusk ocean]

Flashed tune to my F30 328 last night 🙂

[stiff burrow]

That’s a neat display

[stoic ledge]

[dusk ocean]

@stiff burrow BMW F30 stuffs

[prime valve]

its beautiful

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

It’s cool that it shows you HP and TQ

[dusk ocean]

yeah its entertaining

[prime valve]

power of horse is important

[dusk ocean]

very

Black F30 is my daily, this is a funsie:

It has a lot more horsepressure

[prime valve]

i want to see a cummins with a fat turbo

like the youtube one

[prime valve]

i love these squares

[dusk ocean]

its got rounds too

[prime valve]

is real clean

[dusk ocean]

ty

[prime valve]

whats the power of horse on this ?

[dusk ocean]

this was 732 horse powers on 93 octane street drink

[prime valve]

oooo sheeee thats some ponies

what turbo is that ?

[dusk ocean]

precision 7675

[prime valve]

thats a big boi

[dusk ocean]

Double noise leakers

[prime valve]

do you have a sound test ?

[dusk ocean]

Hrmmm not handy

[prime valve]

wait you daily this

[dusk ocean]

No no

[charred depot]

m50 or m52

[dusk ocean]

"yes"

[charred depot]

hybrid?

[dusk ocean]

its an m52 crank in m50nv block/head

oversized pistons

its like 2.9L

I have a de-bored S52 to put in it but haven't had a chance

[prime valve]

what transmission is it running ?

[dusk ocean]

its running one of several that break

its on a ZF 320Z

it's eaten two ZF 310Z

[prime valve]

not surprised

[dusk ocean]

to be fair the car has 210k miles on it

and the first trans was the original

I just keep buying used unknown mileage transmissions

[charred depot]

I need to go and collect a bunch of gearboxes for my car

if you accidentally have the wheels hop with my glass gearbox much shattering

[dusk ocean]

This is my transmission slayer

[charred depot]

yeah mines will die with 275hp

[prime valve]

nos

[dusk ocean]

wheel hop will murder most transmissions

[prime valve]

what shot is it running ?

[dusk ocean]

Its 150 jet but progressive

its managed by the ECU

[charred depot]

fwd car so not the easiest to put power down with

I picked a terrible platform

[prime valve]

fwd isnt the best

for track

or drifting

[charred depot]

heh

[dusk ocean]

oh wow I just got warned by LTT for using the 4 letter short term for "methanol"

[prime valve]

but as a daily

[charred depot]

I cant afford BMW insurance let alone with it being mortified

[prime valve]

yeah its dumb

you can say fuck and shit

[dusk ocean]

that is bizarre

[charred depot]

probably thanks to linus methanol tips

[prime valve]

but not the kid friendly version of shit

[charred depot]

I live in the UK and we have to declare our mords or risk getting banned from driving :^(

bumps the prices up a fair bit

[dusk ocean]

I mean

its not that much different in the US

that bottle is illegal to drive with hooked up here

[prime valve]

there was a thing that you cant modify a car or a bike becuase it is illegal as it is messing with the intended use or sm

[charred depot]

Well I mean even just lowering springs or uprated brake pads

[dusk ocean]

yeah

[charred depot]

you have to declare to your insurance here

[dusk ocean]

I. DECLARE. BANKRUPCY.

[prime valve]

you do but you dont have tto

[charred depot]

People get pulled over here and banned if they dont

[dusk ocean]

People in sweden swap engines every year

[prime valve]

never seen something like that

[charred depot]

mainly the obnoxious people where its clearly modified

[prime valve]

Go to Lithuania there are 2 cars put into one

[charred depot]

you caan slip under the radar but is it worth the risk

[prime valve]

most people get caught with HID's

[charred depot]

since my saabs getting a different engine my insurance will more than double but tis fine.

fuckin good heh

[dusk ocean]

@prime valve e30 in the background

s50 swap

[prime valve]

i am jelly

[dusk ocean]

I have a bmw problem

[prime valve]

i have an Audi problem beginning

[charred depot]

I wanted an E39 but its more for insurance stock than an engine swapped saaaab

[dusk ocean]

X1 35i M Sport

[prime valve]

only old BMW's

[dusk ocean]

new ones are so fun too tho

[prime valve]

new ones are meh

[dusk ocean]

that thing is like 450 rwhp with only the flash

they jammed the twin turbski 3.0L in there

[prime valve]

but its a BMW

[dusk ocean]

yeah so it works 🙂

[prime valve]

so engine swap incoming

[charred depot]

better engine

[dusk ocean]

@charred depot 😐

I worked for saab in college

[charred depot]

Im pretty sure someone at the drift track here has a saab engine in their BMW

[dusk ocean]

the only thing interesting about them is the CDI ignition

or rather the ionization detection

What's not exciting: everything else 😛

[prime valve]

how common is a audi 200 or a v8 d11 in the US ?

[dusk ocean]

No idea

Not very

[charred depot]

have some 20 year old pirellis and it is some kind of exciting in the wet.

[prime valve]

i want one US spec but they are like non existent

[charred depot]

good brand

[jovial mauve]

Spotted tgia morning

Sl65 amg

[prime valve]

AMG is nice

any

[dusk ocean]

they are

[prime valve]

mainly this one

[dusk ocean]

lol

cant get into it

[prime valve]

look at it

its literally the ultimate sleeper

only 500 made

[jovial mauve]

R63

Sleeper indeed

[dusk ocean]

Ha - finding some old pics

[charred depot]

But yeah the saab engine isnt the best, this is

[dusk ocean]

What is that, Publix?

sorry

Food Lion

[prime valve]

its a Pugeeeeot

[fathom socket]

https://leftlane.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/53066827-1024x1024.jpg

[dusk ocean]

its a supermarkets car

[fathom socket]

this is the best engine

[charred depot]

It has the XUD the best diesel ever made

[stoic ledge]

Fresh import

[charred depot]

when your diesel engine can run on 80% petrol

[prime valve]

lie

the cummins is

merica

[dusk ocean]

When your diesel can run on 92% water

[charred depot]

XUD > Cummins

[dusk ocean]

because something is always leaking into it

[fathom socket]

I ran DIEsel on petrol

it ran like on water

[dusk ocean]

sigh

[prime valve]

isnt this just beautiful

[charred depot]

can cummins run on straight vegetable oil from stock

[dusk ocean]

yes

you just need to replace fuel filters every like 20 mins

[jovial mauve]

Yeah but still sick car

V12

In NL

[prime valve]

NL has expensive cars

[dusk ocean]

This is how I lowered my compression

"What compression do you run?" "About 3/4" shorter"

[charred depot]

1999 - 2002 cummins used the Vp44 inj pump

[dusk ocean]

OK fine

Radiator or intercooler?

[prime valve]

radiator

[dusk ocean]

Intercooler

[prime valve]

what

iuts thin

[dusk ocean]

the intercooler is 4" thick

That's 3" piping

[prime valve]

it looks small

[dusk ocean]

😐

See in front

[prime valve]

nvm

i went back to that pic

[dusk ocean]

yas

[prime valve]

i though it was a pic before you put the intercooler on

[dusk ocean]

no no

the whole front end of the car is intercooler lol

[prime valve]

thats some cooling

[dusk ocean]

😐

supermeats

[prime valve]

whats size is it ?

[dusk ocean]

tire?

[prime valve]

yeah

[dusk ocean]

295....50?...15

I think its 295/50/15

[prime valve]

is it square?

[dusk ocean]

drag radials for rear

I run 275/40/17 rear normally

and....225/45 or something up front

[prime valve]

pretty wide

[dusk ocean]

ya

275 is normalish

its wide but not offensive

[prime valve]

do you track it?

[dusk ocean]

295 drag radials are like 315's

No I just break egos really

[prime valve]

:)

[dusk ocean]

I was doing a lot of fab/ecu tuning for a while

and it was my test car

[stoic ledge]

Imagine not having 195's

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I can

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chonk

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175's

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Imagine running 4.5" fronts 🙂

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I just have 205's on the saab as I dont want to aquaplane into next year

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bicycle tires :)

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I had to get rid of front skinnies when I went to BBK