cars

[vocal mural]

In 4 days I used 6 liters of windscreen fluid

[pearl tiger]

i use that without snow 😄

[elfin stone]

I drove all the way to Paris last October

They still had 30 Celsius outside

[elfin stone]

But the roundabouts there are a catastrophe

[stoic ledge]

In Paris they use their bumpers

I do not want to drive in Paris

[fathom socket]

In one day I've used 15

My record due to windshield getting screwed with mud all the time

[elfin stone]

Yeah, never again

[fathom socket]

Oh god. No.

Like 6 cars crashed there and I did like 1 hour overtime on my tachograf

[vocal mural]

Windscreen fluid costs around 40 SEK for 4 liter in Sweden, (€3,75) it is kinda cheap

It depends where and which brand you buy it

[stoic ledge]

I only use OEM washer fluids

||/s, I always whatever I can find in my parents garage||

[civic spoke]

Don't use the yellow bottles.

[vocal mural]

Do you also use Rainx?

[stoic ledge]

Nah

[civic girder]

I use whatever's cheapest

its the wiper blades you have to worry about

[civic spoke]

Worn wiper blades is pain.

[elfin stone]

Don't forget the rear wiper ^^

[civic spoke]

Wuz dat? The only rear that gets wiped is my own.

[elfin stone]

Rear Window?

[civic spoke]

No rear wipers on the back of my car, nor truck.

[charred depot]

I have a rear wiper but the mechanism is broken so its just loose :^(

[civic spoke]

Just remove the wiper at that point.

I THINK you can just yank it off.

[charred depot]

I think im going to fix it

would be nice for setting off in the morning

[elfin stone]

Mainly depends on how the trunk is built

Ie I can’t see shit when it’s raining and I’m on the Highway

[eager grove]

Don’t understand why sedans don’t have rear wipers and hatchbacks do

Everyone’s like ‘it’s the angle’ and I’m like…what???

[elfin stone]

Manufacturers cheap out on sedans

[eager grove]

Have you ever seen cars

[elfin stone]

It’s simple

[eager grove]

A toyota aygo has a rear wiper

And they cost about 50p

So that argument makes no sense either

[elfin stone]

Maybe it just looks awful to the designer of the car

It’s probably a design choice

[stoic ledge]

I mean, on the Insignia sedan (hatchback) it's an optional extra

Not many people choose it

As it's ugly AF

[charred depot]

sedans dont need it because of the angle :^|

[elfin stone]

Pfft

[civic girder]

yea rear wipers on sedans looks so bad

[elfin stone]

Oh lord

[stoic ledge]

But yeah you don't really need it

[civic girder]

only acceptable on hatchbacks, vans, and suvs

[charred depot]

theres tonnes of air flowing across the rear window of sedans it will self clean at relatively low speeds

[stoic ledge]

The air moves it off by itself

[civic girder]

more like high speed, but yea

[elfin stone]

I’m not a fan of Sedans to be honest, the trunk feels microscopic

[charred depot]

my saab has to be going 70mph before its bloomin vertical front window will clear

[civic girder]

that's just psychology. Sedan trunks are plenty for a lot situations

especially if the rear seats fold

[elfin stone]

Well, I have to fit a full blown Diving equipment into it

[civic girder]

probably fits in more cars than you think

[charred depot]

get a washin machine in a hatchback easy peasy

[elfin stone]

Exactly

[civic girder]

a lot of hatches actually have deceptively little cargo capacity

SUVs too

[stoic ledge]

Wagon > all

[elfin stone]

Mine has about 380 l

[civic girder]

wagon and minivan

[stoic ledge]

Or if you need more space: minivan

[elfin stone]

Wagons are cool

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[civic girder]

I need more minivans

[charred depot]

small hatch power

[civic girder]

so my neighbors think I'm extra weird

[civic girder]

I could probably fit that in the trunk of a sedan tbh

[charred depot]

cant fit a B205 in the boot of my sedan :^)

[stoic ledge]

Import a Ford S-Max with 5 cyl Volvo diesel 😛

That's a minivan

[elfin stone]

I always have access to that one for large stuff

[charred depot]

its a very tall engine so needs enough space to go flat

[stoic ledge]

Moar Astra's

[civic girder]

If I'm importing a van, I want it to be a good one

[charred depot]

maybe in a camry but :/

[elfin stone]

Sure, I love that car

[civic girder]

like a diesel Estima

[stoic ledge]

Lol

[civic girder]

slow as dirt and super underpowered, but diesel

and Estima/Previa

but nah, I want to import like a Celsior or something else generic

[stoic ledge]

Get an Aygo

Best Toyota ever made

[charred depot]

the 305 seems to have similar boot space to the big 505

[civic girder]

[elfin stone]

Oh, and I found the pics from that OPC conversion again

[civic girder]

At that point I'd just buy the shittiest Tercel I can find

[elfin stone]

First pic is the now

[charred depot]

atleast its not a saab engine

vauxhall people on their way to buy some good saabs just to rip the engine out and put it in their corsa

[elfin stone]

Eww

[civic girder]

A super rusty one of these
https://youtu.be/LQ36dsLuXdY

[stoic ledge]

Wait did you share my top secret plan?

||JK||

[charred depot]

leave the saabs alone maan

the only reason mines is alive is because it didnt come with a turbo

that shall be resolved soon

[elfin stone]

Speaking of GB, I did some research and it looks like my car was built in Ellesmere Port

[stoic ledge]

Mine is made in Eisenach

[charred depot]

A car made in England, amazed it made it over the channel before falling to bits then

[elfin stone]

So, it’s essentially a Vauxhall with Opel branding and left hand drive

[charred depot]

vauxhall opel potato pitato

[elfin stone]

I did joke around with the idea to convert it to a Vauxhall branding with badges etc. but the I found out that the Astra was sold as Saturn in the states

[stoic ledge]

Weren't earlier Astra H's made in Antwerp, Belgium?

[elfin stone]

But parts for that car are nonexistent in Europe with Saturn branding

[elfin stone]

Yep

[stoic ledge]

Please don't, that's tacky

[charred depot]

my Peugeot 305 is more expensive to insure than my mortified saab im malting.

I just want to use a peugeot 305 to do courier work is that so outrageous

[stoic ledge]

Someone thought it was worth it to import a Saturn Astra

And yes that's an actual Saturn

Not just an Astra with a Saturn grill

[elfin stone]

Wait, someone did that?

What a mad man

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[charred depot]

what level of human do you have to be to import an ashtray

[elfin stone]

Do you have pictures of the inside by any chance?

[stoic ledge]

Sadly I don't

But it should be the exact same as a regular Astra

[elfin stone]

oh, ok

[elfin stone]

what's with that additional screen in the speedometer?

[charred depot]

astra H's had that here methinks

[elfin stone]

umm, wat?

Btw, I did hack my mileage ^^

Swapped the Unit for a OPC variant

[stoic ledge]

Hmmmm not all Saturns appear to have that

But tbh idk what it is

[elfin stone]

ok, i only know that the automatic cars do have a screen for the gear

but that one is a manual

which is additionally weird, as the saturns are US cars

And I did reprogram it, so no legal issues ^^

[stoic ledge]

Yeab true... Maybe it's just a failed render

[charred depot]

I like green clusters : )

[elfin stone]

Apparently the car had 2000km more on the clock than the engine

Which is odd

That’s the old one, amber isn’t that great if it’s used too much

[civic spoke]

Replacement engine

[elfin stone]

Nope

[charred depot]

Still need to flash the immobilizer out of my new engines ECU

[elfin stone]

Because it were exactly 2000 kilometers

And you don’t drive a car 2000 km to swap out the engine with a brand new one

[stoic ledge]

I quite like the amber

It's easy on the eyes

I hate blue speedometers tho

[charred depot]

but can you turn off all the lights except from the speedo fmmm

[elfin stone]

Well, you can reprogram the Speedo to shut on the lights only when the outside lights go on

That’s the fun part of an OPCOM

You can do stuff that usually only the dealer can do

[charred depot]

Tech 2's the same

[elfin stone]

Mm, but mine is white, that is actually pretty good

Tech 2 can’t program a speedlock

I think it’s also called anti hijack

[charred depot]

what a speed limiter?

[elfin stone]

No, the Car automatically locks itself at a certain speed

[charred depot]

ah

I dont have central locking anyway

[elfin stone]

So that people can’t randomly open the door and pull you out like in GTA

[stoic ledge]

That's also in the P-menu of the key

At least on Corsa D's, think Astra H is the same

[charred depot]

my new engine wont make boost if it doesent have a speed input and I have a old ABS module so el problemo

[elfin stone]

Nope, its a feature that was officially discontinued after the first batch of cars

[stoic ledge]

[elfin stone]

who knows why

[stoic ledge]

My Corsa has it

Which came to market later

[charred depot]

perhaps the mechanisms werent up for it

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[elfin stone]

all i can say is that i was able to program it back into a car from 2009

[elfin stone]

nope

[charred depot]

whyd they remove it then

[elfin stone]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic ledge]

Because it was being sold in the US, and giving them control is too much

[elfin stone]

It's a bit complicated to activate, probably a lot of customers complained

you have to keep pressing the locking button until the car beeps

[charred depot]

replacing door linkages in a GM car isnt something I want to do again

[stoic ledge]

Ah it's different in the Corsa, you control it via the odometer screen

[elfin stone]

opel probably thought that the feature wasn't ready yet

[stoic ledge]

Could be

[elfin stone]

But the effort for the powered rear windows was worth it. Add the Pano and you almost have a TwinTop

without the hassles of a TwinTop

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

as someone who lives in Scotland, not worth

[elfin stone]

it's worth it in germany as its way warmer in summer ^^

[stoic ledge]

It's kinda sad such convertibles aren't available anymore

(C-segment convertibles I mean)

Or even small

[elfin stone]

Well, the mechanism is pretty fragile

[stoic ledge]

I think the only B-segment convertible you can yet is the Mini Cabrio? And in the C-segment a T-Roc Convertible cross-over thingy 🤮

[elfin stone]

and you need special equipment for maintenance as you have to remove the whole roof for repairs, needs a special crane

[stoic ledge]

Kek

[elfin stone]

and the roof cable tree is prone to break on that car

there are aftermarket flexible ones, but those cost a fortune

[stoic ledge]

I bet they do

[elfin stone]

I almost got a twintop (but not an astra)

[stoic ledge]

Tigra

[elfin stone]

yep

i immediately hit my head on the roof when first tried to enter it

[stoic ledge]

Kek

[elfin stone]

and the gaskets were leaking, the whole car was damp

and the climate wasn't sealed either, you could see marking fluids all over with a uv lamp

all big no nos for a car

[stoic ledge]

Should've gotten a Combo

Plenty of headroom

[elfin stone]

I'm really happy with the astra, it's comfortable and doesn't take much fuel

[elfin stone]

but it's an ugly car

[stoic ledge]

Very true

[elfin stone]

last time i checked my car took about 6.8 l per 100 km

which is pretty good for a 2009 car

[stoic ledge]

Better than mine

I get 8l/100km

[elfin stone]

oof

[stoic ledge]

But LPG which uses ~10-15% more

[charred depot]

6.8 is quite low

better than my 2010 mazda 2

[stoic ledge]

But also I usually have to drive a stretch of road which is terrible for my fuel economy

8x accelerating 0-100-0 for traffic lights

[elfin stone]

but isn't your country 99% flat?

[stoic ledge]

I live in the "hilly" part

[elfin stone]

i heard you even had to build your own mountain

[stoic ledge]

[elfin stone]

aah, wait

it was just an idea

https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/peak-of-insanity-dutch-dream-of-building-artificial-mountain-a-784085.html

completely insane if you ask me

[stoic ledge]

"I have dreamed of having a mountain in Holland since I was 15," he says.

He's calling 🇳🇱 Holland 🤮

[elfin stone]

Probably born in Northern or Southern Holland ^^

[stoic ledge]

But yeah that's a Hollander which has never been anywhere else

I mean, there aren't mountains here

But enough hills

[charred depot]

my saab currently gets 10l/100km 🗿

it runs slightly rich

[elfin stone]

slightly

[charred depot]

I should be able to theoretically get around 7l/100km with the new engine

[stoic ledge]

Swapping it with a diesel?

[charred depot]

I was going to but decided on fun

The car is purely driven for fun so :^/

[fathom socket]

My puegeout does 10l/100km but I go 140kmh

[icy needle]

You got 307?

[fathom socket]

Yep

A 2l petrol

Most likely is going to burn down this week

[icy needle]

Well, I've had 307 1.6, quite liked it.

[fathom socket]

Honestly I don't like it

I have the 307 św

[terse raptor]

bruh what’s 14mpg to 10l/100 km

well what’s 14mpg to l/100km

[fathom socket]

google

[stoic ledge]

16.8l/100km

[terse raptor]

ah

that’s what my jeep gets

[stoic ledge]

But then don't forget US fuel prices are low

[fathom socket]

Imagine getting that and paying Dutch prices

[stoic ledge]

Immediately bankrupt

[fathom socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CWffE-nqQ

[vocal mural]

The Dutch have a mountain since 2010. Mount Scenery

It is a volcano on the Special municipality of Saba, quite a distance away from mainland

[elfin stone]

I always overlook the special ones even if I keep the “land” thingy in mind

[lofty compass]

Get a small dent around the electric motors and stuff and then it might not work

[elfin stone]

The bigger issue is that the gears it operates on are made out of plastic

[lofty compass]

Oh god

[elfin stone]

And the brass ones they have in the aftermarket cost a fortune

[lofty compass]

Now just do that with some belt gears in the engine and it's good

[elfin stone]

And a known issue is that the roof opens, but won’t retract into the trunk, and if you are unlucky it also won’t close up again

[lofty compass]

Oh

Sounds like fun

[elfin stone]

And you have to dismantle half of it to perform a emergency closure

[lofty compass]

Congrats to whoever the hell buys a convertible

[elfin stone]

Well, if it’s one of the later ones, they usually are in good shape

You have to bring it into a contracted shop though to inspect it thoroughly if you want to buy a Astra TT

[lofty compass]

Isn't astra a car by saturn

Speaking of Saturn's what's a cheap one to buy that will last a while

Also available in America

[elfin stone]

Opel engineered the car, GM rebadged it and sold it under various brands

[lofty compass]

I'm asking because soon like August 3rd is my birthday and then I turn 16 and will have to know what I'm doing rather buy expensive stuff lmao

[elfin stone]

Well, if you ask me, I’d buy a 2008-2009 Saturn Astra

But I don’t know if you are into hatchbacks or sedans

[lofty compass]

Reason I asked about Saturn was if I were to not get job mowing yards and stuff because that's kinda what I'm thinking about doing and just buying a truck

[elfin stone]

Aah, kk.

I can post some pictures of the German variant if you want

[lofty compass]

Sure

[elfin stone]

That one has some extra features you probably won’t get with a US variant though, they didn’t sell with a panoramic roof

[lofty compass]

To me that seems like it would be decent car

[elfin stone]

It is, and it has a good fuel economy

[lofty compass]

Funny thing is how I thought they stopped making cars as well lol

Thing is I think also my dad did

[elfin stone]

I get about 40 mpg

[lofty compass]

Although Saturn's are definitely good at fuel efficiency

[elfin stone]

(Had to do the l/100km conversion)

[lofty compass]

Or from what I know about them

[elfin stone]

Yeah, they are mainly selling rebadged European cars (at least they did until Opel was sold) you need fuel economy over here

[lofty compass]

Actually does Saturn even make trucks just as a random question

[elfin stone]

Dunno

Saturn does not exist over here

It is mainly an equivalent to Opel

And if that applies to the US, they won’t have trucks at all

They are extremely niche over here

I did some conversion, and fuel prices are about 8$ per gallon over here, on a good day

@lofty compass alright, looks like Saturn sold rebadged GM trucks, that was new to me

But the information you get from here is pretty unreliable

Some sources say that they sold one, some say they didn’t

You better look at Toyota etc. for one

[lofty compass]

Idk lol but the first vehicle I have used on a road was db30 which is basically a mini bike that is really meant for off road lol
By on road I mean of course up and down a small road

[elfin stone]

Well…

Then the cars I can show you won’t be for you

[lofty compass]

I mean thing is it was a mini bike and I definitely understand that cars are very different from something like a db30

[elfin stone]

There are literally 2 use cases for cars like ie Jeeps over here : Too much money available or you work on a Farm/In the Forest

[lofty compass]

And then trucks
Good for transporting heavy items and a bit of offroading

[elfin stone]

Well, try to park one in a narrow city

Population is extremely dense compared to the us

[lofty compass]

Oh

Fun

Actually isn't a semi truck technically capable of off road

Just not a good idea usually

[elfin stone]

Dunno

Never had to ponder about that

[stoic ledge]

GM rebadged cars for everywhere Sometimes even giving cars which aren't related in any way giving them the same name 😛

In Australia you could get the Astra K as Holden Astra, but at the same time you could get the Chevrolet Cruze as Holden Astra

Completely different cars

[elfin stone]

Hey, that Holden badging looks cool

[stoic ledge]

Opel Cascade -> Buick Cascade
Opel Insignia -> Buick Regal

[stoic ledge]

Opel Vectra -> Satern Aura

Opel Mokka -> Buick Encore

[stoic ledge]

Opel Antara -> Saturn Vue

Just rebadge all the things

[elfin stone]

So, GM had a whole division to come up with new names?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah just a regular Astra just a different badge

[stoic ledge]

Basically 😂

[elfin stone]

Oh boy

[stoic ledge]

GM is great at rebadging stuff

[elfin stone]

Well, Opel still rebadges 100% of their stuff to Vauxhall

[stoic ledge]

The also killed the real Holden Commodore in the US (RWD etc) and gave them back the Insignia as Holden Commodore... I mean the Insignia is great but it's not a Commodore

Well yeah Opel == Vauxhall, and that will never change

It's just brand recognition, Vauxhall has a big heritage in the UK and Opel is completely unknown

Ireland actually gets RHD Opel's 😛

[elfin stone]

Now that’s an interesting approach

Northern Ireland gets Vauxhall or Opel? 😅

[stoic ledge]

But Opel's have always been Opel's (excluding vans), other markets got some "native" cars from the brand itself, some rebadged models from X, some rebadged mores from Y...

[elfin stone]

Mm

[stoic ledge]

Look like that's Vauxhall xD

OOF Holden is actually gone from Australia/NZ

Guess GM couldn't keep it running without Opel's to rebadge xD

[terse raptor]

i like cars

[copper thistle]

forget cars get a fucking tank

[fathom socket]

Forget a tank

Get a fighter jet

[terse raptor]

i know someone that has a russian straight wing jet

or correction, they had one when i was 16

i really wanted this 69 camaro he was selling for a steal too but hindsight is 20/20

[prime valve]

now this is a Merica vehicle

[fathom socket]

Isnt it Czech?

[civic girder]

what

[charred depot]

the jet

[elfin stone]

That’s my cockpit at night ^^

[pearl tiger]

too much white

[elfin stone]

It’s actually a very light blue

[pearl tiger]

i like my orangish~

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862074701239943178/925176325705199737/20211227_185827.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862074701239943178/924824707004514354/20211226_194244.jpg
We sharing cockpits?

[elfin stone]

Interesting

[pearl tiger]

oh a prndl

[civic girder]

I don't have pics of my daily or I'd share that too lol

well, no nighttime pics anyway

[elfin stone]

I do like stick shift more than automatic, what’s your opinion about that?

[civic girder]

Depends on the car and what you do with it

As fun as stick is, it doesn't suit more comfortable cars

While you can get this gen of Camry in manual, I wouldn't want it that way

[pearl tiger]

never drove auto

[civic girder]

same with my van

My Corolla I kinda wish was auto, but its kinda fun

But I wouldn't want an automatic RX-7

[pearl tiger]

Sexy break

[elfin stone]

Well, mine is a compact class car, you I’m fine with that

[elfin stone]

Oh lord

[pearl tiger]

bare metal on disk break action

also stuck

😄

[civic girder]

yea, so is my Corolla. My reasoning behind wishing it was an auto was bc cruise control in the manual cars was rare af

and bc its a shitbox, the clutch is dying and I wish I didn't have to deal with that

[pearl tiger]

well my gearbox exploded.. so new clutch anyways 😄

[civic girder]

but I may be selling the Corolla very soon if I can't find a good reason to keep it

and then buy an auto Corolla with cruise in a year or so when I have a house, aka storage space

[elfin stone]

I do have cc with mine an I have to admit that it’s sometimes a bit annoying

[pearl tiger]

i dont have :C

but my cruise control is pedal to the metal

[civic girder]

cruise control is awesome. I love it

wish my RX-7 had it, but its not like I drive it far enough to need it

[elfin stone]

Depends on the distances you drive

[civic girder]

but if my buddies and I go to Deal's Gap in march, I am gonna have a sore ass right foot

[elfin stone]

The one that is one of the most dangerous roads in the world? Ur crazy

[civic girder]

what

its just a mountain pass lol

aka Tail of the Dragon

[elfin stone]

German Wikipedia says that it’s one of the most dangerous roads

[charred depot]

Had to go 60 miles with these

brake pads literally making a clicking noise the entire time as they fall into the low bits

[elfin stone]

Now THATS unsafe

[charred depot]

meh tis rear brakes

safer than a Peugeot 305 with a broken vacuum pump

[elfin stone]

Don’t you do 2 year inspections to catch such things?

[charred depot]

yearly

[civic girder]

It could be dangerous if you're stupid and/or a bad driver. But in of itself, isn't a very dangerous road; even if you get a little bit spirited

[charred depot]

sliders seized deterioated quickly.

First time my peugeot was on a lift we found one of the front brake hoses had a set of mole grips clamped on to solve a leak

[pearl tiger]

Now is new (also rear)

[elfin stone]

Oh geez

Such things usually don’t happen over here, we have mandatory vehicle inspections every 2 years, and those are usually extremely strict

[charred depot]

oh no its rare the car isnt road legal

[pearl tiger]

or some eastern tüv dudes do it D:

[charred depot]

hasnt been on the road since the 90's

[elfin stone]

Well, the TÜV Rheinland is usually pretty reliable ^^

[elfin stone]

Well, then it’s understandable

I just notice that the US has apparently way more cars that are considered unsafe over here

[charred depot]

Im in the UK, the peugeot was test driven aswell.

With a very old timing belt which was probably playing with fire

[elfin stone]

One breath away from ripping?

[charred depot]

Will find out soon

the car makes me quite sad as a 305 saloon costs double what a 305 estate costs to insure

probably all the taxi drivers in the 80's fault

[elfin stone]

Just hit 121212km on the mileage

[charred depot]

I should be trading my 305 saloon once it has a MOT for this estate plus over £1k my way

[fathom socket]

I want to trade my 307 SW

But I'm still not the registered owner

[terse raptor]

the guy told me russian straight wing

[charred depot]

Probably sold by russia but czech by design.

lots of stuff after the soviet union fell apart

[rotund jewel]

who is then lol

[chrome sluice]

Ranger Danger boys in this chat??

[fathom socket]

Yep not going anywhere for a few days

[fathom socket]

why? looks like perfect weather to be outside to me.

[elfin stone]

Get some chains and ur good to go

just don't drive too fast

[vocal mural]

I am driving on Swedish roads this and past week on tires without spikes

[fathom socket]

My truck can't leave the drive way I have nothing to Carry lol

[charred depot]

4wd brah

[fathom socket]

That's the best I can get

It's not going anywhere I only moved it so no trees will fall on it and crush it

[eager grove]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxWCvwbeC2M

What’s the rock driving here?

[civic spoke]

F-150 maybe?

[eager grove]

That was my guess - just from the cut away on the side window

[civic spoke]

Yeah, that's usually a clear giveaway.

And it's also in his list of vehicles that he owns.

[eager grove]

I didn’t see his list but it’s the only candidate from the list online

Which is basically an F150, a bunch of rando muscle cars, a prowler and an Escalade

The f150 is clearly the daily in that list

I have a weird fascination with what rich people drive

Like when you have ‘fuck you’ money and can actually drive all your dream cars

What do people drive every day

In America the answer is Tahoe, Escalade, F150

In the UK I think it’s mostly Range Rovers

[terse raptor]

well even with all the money in the world, many people don’t want to daily those types of cars because they aren’t practical

hell my dad is not wealthy but he got a c8 at msrp, and even though it’s more practical than other “sports/super” cars he still dailies a truck

[carmine summit]

why daily a truck or SUV though

doesn't make sense

I live on a farm, I daily small cars

had to take the truck today for reasons but normally it only gets used for hauling stuff

[stoic ledge]

I just want 1 car to do it all

A.k.a a wagon

😎

[fathom socket]

wagons are good, but wish I had less boring one

[stoic ledge]

Buy one then

[eager grove]

I agree. I don’t get it, but lots of them seem to

[carmine summit]

try towing a car with a wagon. doesnt work very well.

we have to tow 5000+ lbs once in a while so a wagon can't do nearly everything we need

also pretty hard to put a 100 gallon fuel tank in the back of a wagon but it fits easily in a truck

[fathom socket]

My father actually towed a fricking bus with a audi 80

[charred depot]

heh theres a video of a modified 1.9 tdi passat towing a loaded truck. It costed a clutch and the front tyres but yknow

up a slight incline

[fathom socket]

Audi 80 is nice

I think ik where an Audi 100 avant quattro is, looks really nice to me for some reason

only like 12 of those in the UK i'm prolly mistaken lol

It ended up with piston flying out of the engine

[quartz mulch]

I really wish Subaru would revisit the "Gentleman's Pickup" platform, whether it's a Baja revival or otherwise.

[stiff burrow]

Because BOF trucks and SUVs can “do it all”

With a Suburban you can take 8 people, a bunch of stuff, and tow a trailer all at the same time

You can also fold the seats down to carry long or large items without a trailer or roof rack

People would say “well get a wagon then” but they don’t sell wagons in the US and CA. That’s why we have so many crossover SUVs. The crossover is North Americas wagon.

Although if I lived in Europe I would buy a wagon

[dense shard]

You almost never need to carry 8, a bunch of stuff or tow anything

[stiff burrow]

Well the idea is you can

[dense shard]

It's expensive to operate, and guzzles gas like a school bus

You can, but don't

Instead you fuck the environment and burn a hole in your wallet

[stiff burrow]

I used to regularly take 7 ppl around, not unheard of

I guess 6 not including myself

[dense shard]

Most people I see commute alone

Buy for the 90% use case not the 10%

[stiff burrow]

Last time I checked a normal car only has 5 seats

[dense shard]

Also a van seats 8 and has more storage than an SUV

[stiff burrow]

So buying a car with 3 rows was what I needed at the time

Why would I buy a van that seats 12 if I only need to carry 6

[dense shard]

Because it can carry 8, has a crap ton of storage, and can tow things.

And it'll be better on gas than a Suburban.

Easier to maneuver in tight spots.

[stiff burrow]

Are you talking about a minivan?

[dense shard]

yes

[stiff burrow]

Because when I hear van I think of this

[dense shard]

If that's what you want, go for it.

Still cheaper than a Suburban

And since you brought up utility, vastly more utilitarian.

[stiff burrow]

Vans and minivans aren’t the same, just wanted to clarify 👍

[dense shard]

But a Honda Odyssey is pretty great.

I'm aware they're not exactly the same.

[stiff burrow]

Then why did you say van if you meant minivan?

And to be honest they just weren’t on my radar at the time

[dense shard]

Because it's 11 pm.

And I am tired. And my point still stands.

[stiff burrow]

Well you are right

[dense shard]

People keep acting like they must drive something that'll get even that 1% edge use case.

I imagine most SUVs with a transfer case have never seen low range, or towed more than a couple thousand pounds.

But hey, who am I to say. It's not like gas prices are that volatile... right?

[carmine summit]

If you don't need a truck on a daily basis, don't buy a truck to daily drive

It's that simple

[dense shard]

I still want a Porsche tho

[carmine summit]

there's a difference between "I want to buy x vehicle because I like it" and "I want to buy x vehicle because it can do something I might need someday"

[dense shard]

that or a Jag

I found a XJS V12 fairly close to me.

That or a first year 928

sorry 924

[carmine summit]

Was going to say, 928s are hell to work on

924s are ok

[dense shard]

Still screwed if the clutch goes bad

[stiff burrow]

I had a Tahoe and for me it was kind of a mix. Like I said I used to have to carry 6 people plus myself around. (Young group of friends always out doing things) and I wanted a big suv

[dense shard]

I don't want to drop half the drivetrain to replace that.

[carmine summit]

Pulling transaxles is easy

[dense shard]

Gotta drop the torque tube, trans, and take apart a few other parts.

[stiff burrow]

And through the same vein of the conversation earlier, why buy a sports car when an econobox can get you around much lighter on gas. An econobox also has much more cargo space and is cheaper. Sometimes people just want a truck/SUV or a sports car.

[carmine summit]

914s are only slightly different (engine bolted to transmission insead of driveshaft assembly) and you can get that out in an hour or two

[dense shard]

I own an econobox.

Which is great fun actually.

[carmine summit]

I own 3 volkswagens, my dad dailies a volkswagen and has a porsche 914

[stiff burrow]

Just saying the “there are other vehicles that are potentially better” thing works for any car you could possibly want

[carmine summit]

F150s are one of the best selling vehicles in canada

[dense shard]

Buying a car because it's fun vs a car that "can do anything" are two different things.

[carmine summit]

I guarantee half of the people who buy them would be fine with a sedan

[dense shard]

If I wanted a pragmatic car I'd get a Corolla. Which I got.

[stiff burrow]

Not really that different, both are reasons to want a vehicle.

You can want something that can do it all yet never actually do anything with it, your choice

Same way old ladies have sports cars and never drive them how they should be driven

[carmine summit]

buying something for enjoyment is in no way the same as buying a utility vehicle because it's utilitarian, then not utilizing it

[stiff burrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Like I said both are reasons to want something, just different reasons

Maybe they enjoy driving trucks, I know people like that

Or they enjoy the idea that they can do anything with their vehicle

[carmine summit]

I'd be willing to bet I've done more with a MK4 Volkswagen Jetta than most people have with an F150

More towing, more hauling, more off road

[stiff burrow]

Ok

[carmine summit]

Point is that most of the people daily driving trucks have no reason to be other than they think they need a truck so they can take their bicycle camping or something

there are plenty of legitimate reasons to daily drive a truck

But for most people there's no point

[stiff burrow]

Ok well that’s fair, you don’t need a truck to take a bike somewhere. But I think most of it is that people just want a truck and part of the justification is “it can do anything”

When “I want it” isn’t enough justification to whoever they’re telling

[dense shard]

Problem is that their anything can be accomplished with a quarter of what they got.

They can do more than they'll ever do at the cost of being unable to park it and pay dearly at the pump twice a week.

[carmine summit]

they could spend less on something nicer and more practical for them that would save them money long term and be equally capable

[dense shard]

Not saying my Jeep is crap, but it is crap.

At least it's wintery outside, so I can justify it for the most part

[stiff burrow]

I don’t see a problem, aside from being unable to park. If you have a large vehicle at least know how to park it ffs

[carmine summit]

i mean i can parallel park an F550 plow truck lol

[stiff burrow]

Most people don’t tho

He’s right

[carmine summit]

Most people say something like "i feel safer in big vehicles" but i drive medium duty trucks and small cars all the time and to me being able to avoid a crash seems safer than having a big crumple zone

[stiff burrow]

I agree that reason is silly

I think trucks are actually less safe

They crush anything in their path and roll over easily

[carmine summit]

And they're harder to change direction, and harder to stop

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

[carmine summit]

Worse weight distribution so they slide easier

[stiff burrow]

You can fix that by putting stuff in the bed

But yeah

[charred depot]

soon I will have the best of all worlds, slow, bad handling, light and rusty

and structurally challanged

[eager grove]

I mean reallly rich people don’t care about gas mileage, so it’s probably unsurprising they drive fuel inefficient vehicles

It’s a but surprising it’s usually giant vehicles

If your Giannis Antetokounmpo and you’re damn near 7ft tall, then yeah, driving a GLS makes sense

But like, is a Tahoe really a more “luxurious” place to be than like a German luxury sedan

Apparently there are quite a few basketball players who drive Bentleys, but I think it’s all Bentaygas

[fathom socket]

the thing is, mostly utility vehicles have a raised/higher cabin.
and as far as i can remember, it is suggested to have a vehicle with a seat the height of the hip for ergonomical reasons.
so it is healthy to have a higher vehicle, and with height, the vehicles need to be broader and longer to support stability on Higher speeds.

the utility nature of the most vehicles in that size/height class not to matter at all. just the fact that its easier to enter/leave than a sportscar where u do not sit, but kinda lay down almost on the road, making every entry and exit a little Challenge.

[fathom socket]

I for my part drive a VW e-up currently. my first own bought vehicle.
yet, my next one will be something larger. not only because at work i commonly need to transport things, but also because its just too weak. its a hassle to overtake semitrucks and its not really a practical car on the countryside. especially with icy roads, snow, potholes and even a few field roads to cross once in a while.
so far i did not get stuck, but being able to securely and comfortable traverse terrain off-'road' is something different.
also its a pain when u have to drive over a few wood branches laying around and they get stuck below the drivetrain once in a while.

I'm planning to get something ridicious though. an ATV/quad about the same size as my VW e-up, but with 53" tires and about 2ft ground clearance. Actually its rated with slower max speed than the e-up, but thats fine. my priority lay more on torque and terrain traversal.

[stoic ledge]

Not really that common here, many wagons can tow like 1500kg / 3300lbs which is for 99.5% of the people with an occasional tow

[fathom socket]

Honestly I don't understand towing laws here

Like if you are towing over and the car + trailer mass is over 3.5 tons you need box and also tachograf

[stoic ledge]

I... Don't think that's true

That's the case when the pulling vehicle is over 3.5t

[fathom socket]

Laws have changed here. But I'm just so confused. I know for sure in Poland you need box for the gates

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

i got a quite back for the black wrap for the car and its F 😦

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

wrap is 3025,- rims are 160,- per rim logos are 185,- incl montage

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

also need to get a H&R spring set to get it a little bit higher up

[carmine summit]

ok, so you're pulling 1500kg with a car that weighs 1500kg and has brakes and suspension designed for that weight

compare that to a vehicle that was designed to tow

a truck that weighs just over 2000kg and has brakes and suspension designed for way more than that

[stoic ledge]

Those cars are officially rated and tested with those weights

[carmine summit]

it's much safer and more comfortable

[carmine summit]

still doesn't mean you should max out the towing capacity

[stoic ledge]

So... you can max it out on vehicle X but not on vehicle Y?

[carmine summit]

when did I ever say that

[stoic ledge]

Idk if trucks can tow up to what they are rated... why can't a car?

[charred depot]

the rated maximum on cars isnt really the maxiumum : )

[carmine summit]

towing 5000lbs with something rated to tow 15000 is much easier, safer, and more comfortable than towing 3300lbs with something rated at 3300lbs

[stoic ledge]

Meh driven multiple times with trailers up to the rated maximum, no problem at all

It's not like you're racing it around a track

And yeah there's quite a safety margin built in to it like Ged said

I mean, ofc a giant truck will pull it easier than a car with half the power

[civic spoke]

I think here in Sweden. You're only allowed to tow the weight of the vehicle at most. Unless you have a 5th wheel or something.

[carmine summit]

Towed a car home last year behind a truck, 7 hour drive and it was incredibly easy compared to towing even a 1000lbs camping trailer behind my car.

[charred depot]

pretty sure my friends little land rover is plated for more than double its weight heh, cant remember

[stoic ledge]

I think it's probably the same throughout Europe, max tow rating is fixed and dedicated to the car, probably on your ownership title or whatever

[civic spoke]

So a car with a GVWR of 3,500 kg like the G-Wagon. Could tow up to 3,500 kg. If you had the license for it.

[stoic ledge]

I bet you do, but that's not a common thing to do in Europe

[civic spoke]

Oh, one big thing between Europe and USA is the tongue weight. I think Europe allowed a much, much lower tongue weight.

I want to say in the 10% region?

[stoic ledge]

G 500 weighing 2330kg empty can tow 3500kg

[civic spoke]

Yeah. I mean the rated max weight of the vehicle.

[stoic ledge]

G 500
Empty: 2329kg
Load capacity: 821kg
Max allowed weight: 3150kg
Max towing wieght: 3500kg

[civic spoke]

Maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, I guess I am. Checking for another one.

[stoic ledge]

Your 320i with a max allowed weight of 1895kg can tow up to 1600kg

[charred depot]

theres alot of estate cars here rated for well over their weight

[stoic ledge]

If my database is correct 😛

[charred depot]

people do wonderful things with E39 tourings

very popular tow car here

[civic spoke]

The nice thing that we have here, is a towing calculator.

So you add the license plates of the vehicle, and the trailer. And it spits out Yay, Nay. And how much.

[charred depot]

My friend got close to 55mph with my wonderful trailer

[stoic ledge]

That's cool. I have to look up the approved weights of the car (license card or license plate check) and the I have to figure it out myself 😛

[charred depot]

who needs trailer brakes when you can have deflated front "trailer" tyres

[stoic ledge]

Max 2000kg, that's not bad no

[charred depot]

not bad but I know alot of people have gone over that heh

[stoic ledge]

Kek well sure but it's rated for 2000kg xD

[charred depot]

weellll

[civic spoke]

I may, or may not have towed a large boxed trailer with a tiny car.

[stoic ledge]

Haven't towed anything with my car as it has no trailer hitch

[charred depot]

I could do with one but have just crammed everything in to my boot thusfar

[stoic ledge]

Last time I towed something was with my uncle's CX-5, which is apparently also rated for 2000kg. Weird thing is, the manual CX-5 is rated for "only" 1800kg

[charred depot]

Get lower speed limits if you have a trailer

[stoic ledge]

Trailer: max 55mph
Without trailer (during the day): 60mph

Yeah that's not going to make a huge difference for me xD

[stoic ledge]

Qubo

[charred depot]

ah its 10mph less here

[stoic ledge]

Or it's van sibbling

Fiorino?

[civic spoke]

Citroen Nemo

[stoic ledge]

Or the Citroen/Peugeot sibbling

Ah

Yes

[charred depot]

:^(

[civic spoke]

Let me check what the Nemo was rated for...

[stoic ledge]

Well in the evening it's max 130kmh/80mph here, but during the day it's limited to 100km/h 💩

[charred depot]

interesting

[stoic ledge]

"to reduce pollution"

[charred depot]

continues doing 130kmh for 1 second too long 💀

[vocal mural]

Tomorrow last day of Swedish winter driving for me

[charred depot]

I guess theres a grace period?

[civic spoke]

The Nemo might only be rated for 600 kg.

[stoic ledge]

I have no idea, it's active from 6AM-7PM that's all I know

[charred depot]

They say pollution is why we cant have a 80mph limit

that and the fact a large amount of people already do 80mph anyway so it would effectively make people start going 90mph.

[vocal mural]

I hate Dutch 60mph limit

[civic spoke]

Oh, I think that trailer is pushing over 600 kg. But don't tell anyone about that.

[stoic ledge]

People: "WeLl YoU cAn'T dRiVe 80 mPh AnYwAyS aS tHe RoAds ArE tOo BusY"

Meanwhile I can drive 90mph no problem every day 😎

[charred depot]

I didnt get a ticket within 14 days so im a free man

notnice experience however

[civic spoke]

As a general rule over here. If you attach a trailer. Then you're limited to 80 kmh at the most.

[stoic ledge]

Was it the gas Nemo? Diesel is 1000kg

[civic spoke]

Diesel.

[stoic ledge]

Trailer == 90km/h here

[stoic ledge]

That's 1000kg

[civic spoke]

Government says 600 kg.

For that particular car.

[charred depot]

I finally found a parts source for the 305, they have like 1 or 0 of most things left :^(

[vocal mural]

Because of Peugeots break down very easily

[charred depot]

its not a modern peugeot

and its not a super old peugeot

[stoic ledge]

Hmm weird

[civic spoke]

Man. Towing with 70 hp was really not fun.

[stoic ledge]

Still more reliable than any VW product

[vocal mural]

In Germany trailers is allowed to drive 100km/h if they complies to some rules

[charred depot]

The diesel drivetrain of the phase 2 305 is very well regarded

[civic spoke]

80 km/h here in Sweden regardless.

[vocal mural]

No way, My fathers VW have driven more than 1 million km now

[stoic ledge]

I've driven a Berlingo 1.9d once... without a turbo. Accelerating, slamming through the gear.... I look at the speedo... 40km/h

[vocal mural]

90 km/h in my Swedish theory book, (1970 one)

[stoic ledge]

That old Transporter? Sure. Try it with anything since the T5 Transporter, and you won't make it

[charred depot]

many cars can get to a million KM, but how much do they cost along the way.

[civic spoke]

Mine's a tad newer. 90 km/h is just for trucks without a trailer.

[vocal mural]

I have about regular trailers

[charred depot]

so true! https://www.mywifehatesthiscar.com/psa-xud-best-diesel-engine-ever-made/

I need an FSO Polonez with an XUD but they all have the steering wheel on the wrong side

how am I meant to see around people to overtake in my 50hp car

[stoic ledge]

Yeah XUD was great

[vocal mural]

What about the current hDI of the Boxer?

[charred depot]

not followed that far but id happily have an early hdi, was considering buying a 406 estate.

[stoic ledge]

HDI's are also fine except the 1.6 16v HDI

16 8v HDI is then again bullet proof

HDI of the Boxer is the 2.0 I think?

Not really sure how they are tbh

Depending on the engine they're PSA or Iveco/Fiat engines

[charred depot]

The one I might be buying has an ECU fault, problem you wont have with an XUD

[stoic ledge]

1. Buy with ECU fault
2. Remove ECU
3. Profit

[charred depot]

£500 asking could get it lower but I dont really neeed it

[stoic ledge]

406 is a great car tho

So was the 306

[charred depot]

cant stand the 306 estate rear lights

[stoic ledge]

Sedan, hatch or wagon?

We had a sedan, hatch and a wagon

1994 Sedan, 1998 Wagon and 2001 hatch

[charred depot]

the rear is just such a let down compared to the sharp front

[stoic ledge]

The rear doors on the Break are the same as on the Sedan

And maybe even the 5d hatchback, not sure

Oof yeah probably even the same for the hatchback

But yeah I get what you're saying, everything is rectangular/hard corners and then the rear lights are rounded AF

They drove great tho

[charred depot]

until the rear beam seizes solid

[stoic ledge]

Idk we never had that happen

The 306 Sedan had the 1.4 TU3, the Break the 1.6 TU5 and so did the hatchback

[charred depot]

its a common failure ofcourse comes with age

[stoic ledge]

Also funny we had all 3 Phases of the car

[charred depot]

did you keep them long

[stoic ledge]

Uhm we all had them until they were 10 years old

[charred depot]

ah

[stoic ledge]

So that probably makes sense

Not crazy old

[charred depot]

yeah old peugeots can be a bit of nightmare fuel for rear suspension

theres specialist companies that rebuild them but none a for 305 estate 🗿

[stoic ledge]

😢

[charred depot]

you need a custom fabricated spring compressor to take apart 305 est rear axles

better trust those welds on your fabbed spring compressor too or 💀

[stoic ledge]

OOF

Yikes

[charred depot]

what my friend would do is kill off a citroen c15 van for its rear axle

[stoic ledge]

Same axle?

Or better? As it's a commercial vehicle?

[charred depot]

I think the springs might be slightly stiffer but it beats being seized or making horrible noises

[stoic ledge]

Lol definitely

Ooh the last Peugeot 306 we had is still on the road

[stoic ledge]

That's a very interesting design

[charred depot]

saves alot of space

the springs sit horizontal with the car

[stoic ledge]

Oof only 1 MOT advisory in 20 year: in 2020 they noted 1x excessive oil leak, and that's it

[stoic ledge]

Was that it also like that on the 306? Tbh can't remember

[charred depot]

sort of similar

[stoic ledge]

According to Goolag yes

That's probably how they made the wheel well so small

[charred depot]

yeah, the saloon 305's have a bit more "conventional" suspension

estate and vans have the waterworks version

[stoic ledge]

Cool, didn't know that

The more you know

The 307 had a more traditional setup again

It was also less deep than the 306 Break's 😢 We had two large suitcases which could fit in the 306 but not in the larger 307 xD

[charred depot]

305 est

[stoic ledge]

That's not bad for it's time I think?

[charred depot]

tis good, its not that big of a car either

ofcourse safety structure fogettaboutit

[stoic ledge]

Yeah you can notice how much thinner the sides etc are

But that makes sense for the era

[civic spoke]

TIL - Nurburgring has a 2,800 kg limit.

At least for tourist drives.

[charred depot]

tesla getting close

mfw you cant take your cybertruck on the nurburgring, if they ever become a reality.

[civic spoke]

Yeah. Big if there.

[pearl tiger]

yeah explain tourist bus drives on the ring then?

[civic spoke]

After hours.

Not while it's just a public street.

[pearl tiger]

nah man. ive seen a bus while tourist drive

[civic spoke]

Then it's very likely still something planned with the whole place at Nurburg.

[pearl tiger]

maybe 😄 https://youtu.be/LX5Y1jcoUXE?t=27

[civic spoke]

Fun fact. Insurance companies won't cover you if anything happens on the ring. In many cases they have something written as it won't cover it if you're traveling on a one-way toll road in Germany. Which is what the Nurburgring is.

Yeah, the fact that they have an escort there says something.

But I'm guessing a big part of the weight restriction is because of brakes, and the barriers only being able to take so much.

[jovial mauve]

just found out i have a tow bar yeey

[stoic ledge]

It's also very expensive because besides the car you've wrecked, you also need to pay the repair bills of the track/guard rail/... and the downtime of the track

[stoic ledge]

Kek how did you not know 😛

[civic spoke]

Along with any other vehicles that might have wrecked because of you.

[elfin stone]

TF

[civic spoke]

A-Team.

[charred depot]

people on reddit be like $45k is affordable.

I must be poverty level 1000 or these people need a wage cut

[elfin stone]

Naah, they just like having Debt

[civic spoke]

It depends on the context. $45k for a house. Or for a bicycle?

[charred depot]

electric car shite

[civic spoke]

Your house is electric too. Same difference.

[charred depot]

house doesent move though

house lasts more than 10 years easily too : )

well with some of the construction work these days

[civic spoke]

As they say.
You can sleep in a car, but you can't race a house.

[elfin stone]

I mean, the Astra L Estate looks really nice: https://www.opel.de/content/dam/opel/master/vehicles/astra-st-2022/21x9/opel_astra-sportstourer_exterior-roof-front_21x9_asst22_e01_117.jpg?imwidth=1920

[jovial mauve]

It was hidden, also the cord to extend it was behind a panel

[charred depot]

diamond cut wheels like that just do nothing for me

spensive aswell

[elfin stone]

The wheels are in the base version

[charred depot]

giv steelies and money back

[stoic ledge]

Weird, that doesn't seem like the factory solution it it?

[jovial mauve]

Think looks good the wheels

[stoic ledge]

Those wheels on that image are the top trim wheels (GS-Line, and even there Optional I think)

Base is steelies xD

But yeah I like those wheels

[jovial mauve]

Ill make a clip gimme a sec

[stoic ledge]

I'm very curious to see the new Astra IRL

[elfin stone]

I just took a look: The Top Series Hybrid Limousine costs about 49k €

[stoic ledge]

Yeah it's not cheap, especially not the PHEV

[elfin stone]

Well, Corsas had a integrated Bike Mount, i expect everything from those manufacturers

[stoic ledge]

FlexFix? Almost every model had it as an optional extra

[elfin stone]

Nope

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[elfin stone]

sec

[stoic ledge]

Yes that's FlexFix

xD

[elfin stone]

Aah

[stoic ledge]

You could get it on almost any model around 2010

[elfin stone]

Could Astras come with one?

[stoic ledge]

Astra J yes

Astra H no

Antara, Adam, Corsa D, Meriva B, Astra J, Zafira (Tourer) C, Insignia A and Mokka are the models that came with FlexFix I think

[elfin stone]

Such a weird option

And that it wasn't for the H is obvious, the OG is from 2004 and the refit from 2007 (though it would be a cool thing for the limousine)

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I actually thought it was a great idea, and I'm sad it's gone

[elfin stone]

Probably not enough orders

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You did sacrifice the spare wheel well tho

[elfin stone]

and the potential for a convenient LPC retrofit

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Yup too expensive to develop sadly, + you had a different rear floor plate which is expensive in production

Meh Opel also cancelled all LPG versions

😢

I have a factory LPG fitted Corsa, LPG system is fitted by OSV (Opel Special Vehicles)

[elfin stone]

Well, Vauxhall did a LPG version of the H, but it's a bit shoddy implemented

[jovial mauve]

Hope file is small enough

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Ah yes I've seen it tucked away like that, BMW has the same location, but I never saw a system where you had to pull a string lol

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Was it?

[jovial mauve]

Me neither but hey nice to have

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Can always come in handy

[elfin stone]

Mm, they drilled an additional Hole into the chassis for the refill slot

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OOF, mine is just behind the regular filler cap

[elfin stone]

BUT it affected the fuelmeter in the speedometer and BC

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I think that's not an official factory install I think... that might be installed like that by Vauxhall UK or something

[elfin stone]

Here is one

https://youtu.be/OIlEtTb5WyY

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Factory LPG Corsa came with a BC delete xD

[elfin stone]

And it's in the Parts Catalogue

https://opel.7zap.com/en/car/a04/r/2/

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Yeah on the Astra H you could also get LPG, on both the 1.4 and 1.6 even

[elfin stone]

Even though the 1.4 isn't Gas Proof

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Uuuuuhm that could be, not sure tbh

Not sure about the 1.6 either tbh

[elfin stone]

You need a special Cylinder Head

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I know the 1.2 I have can run really well on LPG, and also the 1.4T in the Astra J/Insignia A/Meriva B/Mokka A can run well on LPG

[elfin stone]

I do know from Experience the the 1.8 runs really well on LPG too

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Z18XE yes, Z18XER no

(aka 125hp yes, 140hp no)

[elfin stone]

Mm, the Estate we have is a XE, MJ 05

And actually the reason why i wanted my car 😅

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[elfin stone]

I had free choice, just had to be capped at 5k

And NO estate

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I was specifically looking for a car on LPG, not too old... didn't gave me much choice. Mazda 2 "Bi-Fuel" (no official system, engine can´t handle it) and the Corsa D BiFuel were really the only 2 options

[elfin stone]

^^

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LPG install at OSV

Fill spot behind the fuel filler flap

[elfin stone]

Interesting

Astra and Corsa Apparently use the same Fuelcap

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OSV on the blanket on the car behind

[charred depot]

tanks really weigh that much

[elfin stone]

So that's how they do it

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OSV is where they also make the fahrschule models, police cars etc

[charred depot]

maybe just safety to avoid any back problems

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Probably Health (& safety) for back problems yes

• can be lowered down without scratching anything

[charred depot]

bah chuck it in there

was great having HSE come in while I was using a lathe with no goggles

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Kekw

Nice

[elfin stone]

That's the only Vid i ever found about the Astra MK5 Assembly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rrUi5MgTwc

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Uhm you used to be able to get atleast photos from GM Media but I think the old Opel stuff is gone now :/

[jovial mauve]

Love these lights

[charred depot]

looks for high beam symbol

[elfin stone]

There is ONE official one on YT though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkEK8gdMXnM

[stoic ledge]

Ah that's the Antwerp one

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Its auto high beam or adjuatable whatever

[charred depot]

ah, get real

[elfin stone]

Fun fact about the gold ones: they discontinued that colour because it had serious clouding issues

[charred depot]

thats with a dashcam which is good for low light aswell heh

[jovial mauve]

This is wo high beam

[charred depot]

if you drove here I imagine I would have honked at you by now :^)

[jovial mauve]

Nothing i can do only turn it off haha

[elfin stone]

That's deffo the Netherlands, i recognize that Central lining colour

[jovial mauve]

Like the enitre lights

[elfin stone]

LED?

[jovial mauve]

I think so yeah with some xenon aswell

[charred depot]

pull out infront of me >no response
having aids lights >worst person around

[elfin stone]

Grr

I'm not allowed to retrofit LED into my car

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Ah I thought they just discontinued it because it was an old colour which nobody wanted anymore

[elfin stone]

Sec

I have some pics

[jovial mauve]

Yeah buddy

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That colour system is the stupidest system ever imho

[jovial mauve]

Allright calm down

[elfin stone]

Notice the streaks?

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Idk I just see some regular whirls in the paint

Ah

It's more visible there

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Oh god

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It gets like lighter and darker again

xD

[elfin stone]

It has to be in that Dark golden tone

[fathom socket]

Every single vehicle license plate has fricking 666

[vocal mural]

The Dutch have speed by road marking program, it is called Duurzaam Veilig

[elfin stone]

A lot of cars went back to the factory because of this ^^

[fathom socket]

well

some

[vocal mural]

Because of thermoplastic?? 😆

[charred depot]

my calm is directly tied to oncoming headlight intensity.

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Tbh I never really noticed that, I shall take a second look if I ever see a champagne Astra again

[elfin stone]

Sec, I#ll make a pic of the roof, it's the worst there

[jovial mauve]

Think a guy here has a champagne astra here

[charred depot]

modern car headlights arent too bad when the ground is completely level

but that is not where I live

[elfin stone]

That color is actually named Papyrus

[vocal mural]

@elfin stone

[jovial mauve]

This is true

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There's also some place with blue

Can´t remember where

Or what it does

But it exists

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mfw a mini is coming over a summit towards you

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Mini LED's are the worst

🤮

[charred depot]

I wonder what % of them know the pain they are causing

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100% of those that I encounter, as I just give them the high beams

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I mean those LED's are fun and all, but they should make them easily replaceable. If you breaks, you have to get an entire new unit

Which is just the stupidest idea ever

[elfin stone]

It’s too dark for a proper picture

I’ll get one tomorrow

[charred depot]

I watched the dashcam video of the guy I had "road rage" with following me with bright lights and im pretty sure he turns around and I flash and honk at him as he comes towards me.

didnt even know it was the same guy

[jovial mauve]

This has been the case for 90% of my cars but never had one die on me

But yeah when it dies new unit it is

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Probably because you hadn´t had them long enough for them to get old enough or high enough mileage

I've seen it quite often on older like Audi Avant's rear lights

I think on the B8

[elfin stone]

But i found some pictures from the time I retrofitted the rear electrical windows

[charred depot]

seen a fair few seats with dying drl's

flickering away

[elfin stone]

And a pic that should show the clouding a little bit better, the lower hood is brighter than the upper

[jovial mauve]

My currenr car is high milage

But yes that a4

[elfin stone]

Though discord’s compression makes it hard to see

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Manual -> power = power drill on the crank 😛

[jovial mauve]

You mean these right

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Side pic was clearer xD

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Yeah seen plenty of those failed, also Avant's