cars

[stoic ledge]

Rip

Lemme check if there is one here

[stiff burrow]

Aside from the Si, no

[stoic ledge]

Usually I know such stuff, but it sells so poorly I don't know

[stiff burrow]

Lol

[stoic ledge]

1.0T: 6MT or CVT
1.5T: 6MT or CVT
1.6d: 6MT

Didn't even know they still sold it with a diesel

[stiff burrow]

Is that the sedan or the hatchback

[stoic ledge]

And that's for the 5 door, we don't have a Si

Uhm

Hatchback

Although, that's the old Civic I think

The new one isn't here yet

[stiff burrow]

Oh that explains why

Only the civic hatchback sport offers a manual it looks like

Which is kinda weird

[stoic ledge]

Yeah forgot there's a new one

[stiff burrow]

The rest have a CVT

[stoic ledge]

Ah

[stiff burrow]

(Plus the Si which is manual)

[stoic ledge]

We don't have any other body variant

[stiff burrow]

Oh ok

[stoic ledge]

We did have the sedan... But that was discontinued

The only Honda's we can get now:

• CRV
• HRV
• Civic Hatch, old model
• e

[stiff burrow]

Oh wow they offer a lot in the states

[stoic ledge]

Ok no there's also the Jazz (Fit), my bad, forgot that one

[stoic ledge]

Yeah Passport, Insight, Accord, Ridgeline, Clarity....

[stiff burrow]

HRV, CRV, Passport, Pilot, Civic sedan and hatchback, insight, accord, clarity, odyssey, ridgeline, and some hybrids

[stoic ledge]

Pilot, Odyssey

Yes, I think those are it

[stiff burrow]

Yeah I copied from their site lol

[stoic ledge]

Lol xD

Hmm so it looks like the US didn't get the new Honda Fit

[stiff burrow]

Yeah they got rid of it

There aren’t many small cars left here

[stoic ledge]

Such a shame

/s

[stiff burrow]

We are back to where we were 40 years ago big cars and bad mileage

That’s not that true though

The people that were driving sedans now are driving small crossovers

[stoic ledge]

It's a bit compensated with PHEV's, hybrids and EV's now I think?

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

There are lots of teslas, especially in big cities

I see a lot of bolts too

[stoic ledge]

I quite like the Bolt

[stiff burrow]

But if you leave those urban areas almost nobody has an EV

[stoic ledge]

Such a shame GM didn't want to sell them here

[stiff burrow]

Me too, it’s a perfect city/suburban car

I drove one a few years ago and it was quite nice :)

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I also drove it once, quite decent indeed

[stiff burrow]

Although Europe is getting some nice EV city cars like the Peugeot e208

[stoic ledge]

Haven't driven the e-208 but I have driven the Corsa-e

Same car just a different coat

Quite zippy

Just sad the new Corsa is waaay less spacious as the Corsa I have :/

[stiff burrow]

That sucks

[stoic ledge]

I can't fit in it properly, I'm up against the B-pillar

Well that's a trend with most new small cars weirdly

I need to get a larger car after this

Not because I need it, but I must because I don't fit

[stiff burrow]

kinda funny that opel ended up with Stellantis

They went from gm to Chrysler

[stoic ledge]

Lol, don't think they'll share a lot with Chrysler

[stiff burrow]

True

[stoic ledge]

Unless Chrysler is going to make small hatchbacks and crossovers xD

[stiff burrow]

lol

[stoic ledge]

Stellantis is actually doing quite well atm in Europe

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

[stoic ledge]

Especially Opel and Peugeot with their new models, sales are going very well

And they look quite good

[stiff burrow]

I think it’s kind of sad that GM pulled out of Europe but at the same time they had no clue what they were doing

[stoic ledge]

Well tbh, I'm also sad in one way Opel doesn't have the "freedom" anymore they had under GM

Some things they could do differently, which they now can't

Mostly just stupid stuff

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

[stoic ledge]

But like indicator and wiper stalks are now Peugeot stuff which is just inferior to what Opel used

Small things like that

[stiff burrow]

People bemoan GM interiors but I think they aren’t bad, and it’s better than what some other brands are doing

[stoic ledge]

But Opel was loosing money for over 20 years, and within 1.5 year under PSA they're making a profit

[stiff burrow]

And with Holden being gone there’s no more fun stuff like the monaro vxr or Chevy SS 😢

True

[stoic ledge]

Definitely better than any Ford

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

Chrysler too in the states

[stoic ledge]

I do really want an Opel Insignia (Buick Regal)... The last GM Opel and I think it's the best Opel in like 20 years or so

They saved the best for last

[stiff burrow]

Especially the charger and challenger 🤢

I wanted a Buick Regal tourx for a while, too bad they discontinued that car

GM’s big problem is it makes cool stuff but then doesn’t advertise it

[fathom socket]

I wante another Focus mk1

[stoic ledge]

I want a TourX but without the cladding xD

[stiff burrow]

The focus mk1 looks kinda derpy though

[fathom socket]

my Puegeout already has electrical problems

[stoic ledge]

Like this

[stiff burrow]

Bruh

[stoic ledge]

Lol how

[stiff burrow]

Yes I love these

[stoic ledge]

We had a 307 for 10 years with 0 electrical issues

[fathom socket]

seat heater broke

and the blinkers have issues

[stoic ledge]

Don't laugh, but I want it with the 1.6 Turbo

[stiff burrow]

That sucks, especially in the winter

[stoic ledge]

200hp tho

[stoic ledge]

Ah ours didn't have those

[stoic ledge]

Blinking fast?

[stiff burrow]

Ultimate GM wagon is the CTS-V tho

I want one of those

[stoic ledge]

That's a known issue, contacts wear out in the headlights

[stoic ledge]

Unaffordable here 😢

[stoic ledge]

Even these are still 30+k if you can even find one

[fathom socket]

Blinks randomly

[stoic ledge]

Also you know why the Buick Regal is discontinued?

[fathom socket]

at least when turning the wheel

[stoic ledge]

As it's an Opel, and GM doesn't want to pay PSA for it 😛

[stoic ledge]

Ah, classic COM2000

[stiff burrow]

I didn’t know that, interesting

v wagons are like 50k+ for a good one :(

[stoic ledge]

We even got a facelifted Insignia

[fathom socket]

so I guess I need the entire stock thingy

[stiff burrow]

Looks nice

[stoic ledge]

Yeah center ring or something like that

[stoic ledge]

Yeah love them

One of the few modern cars I also fit in extremely well

I also sat in a Ford Mondeo recently (Fusion), but the seat can't go low enough for me. And when I'm sitting comfortably, no one can sit behind me. In the Insignia, loads of space

[stoic ledge]

Apparently it's possible to fix it relatively cheap, you just need to be handy and be able to get the required part

[dense shard]

Dunno 90s GM interiors were pretty atrocious.

They were maybe on par with Ford at the time... maybe.

[stiff burrow]

Yeah, that was 30 years ago. Now they’re much better

[dense shard]

They're still behind the foreign competition imo

GM's design language remains 20 years outdated, Ford's looks like it's recycled from what Nissan used 15 years ago, and Chrysler is recycled mercedes from the early 00s. The cost cutting era.

[stiff burrow]

I agree with you

[dense shard]

Not that the Americans make cars anymore apart from Chrysler in the US these days.

[stiff burrow]

Although I think people complain too much about the quality of interior materials. I care about the quality of the buttons, the seats, the wheel and the shifter but not really anything else

It’s silly to say one car is worse than another because it has “creaky plastic” or “not enough soft touch,” are you really going to be touching that anyway?

[civic girder]

soft touch is a meme

but there is definitely low quality surfaces

My biggest gripe about my Honda's interior is it looks and feels cheap

The plastics look cheap af, and it has some weird material in some spots that scratch extremely easily. The cloth materials feel nice, but look cheap as fuck

ironically the car costs more than the Corolla Hybrid, and I thought the Corolla Hybrid had a much more premium feeling interior

[vocal mural]

Vredestein did shut down their manufacturing site in Enschede

[charred depot]

need more hockey pucks

[viscid atlas]

@charred depot literally looks like russia slums engineering

[charred depot]

the lift cable has only broken once

[viscid atlas]

that doesnt give me a good feeling

@civic girder ive been in the shittiest to the best road cars, and the only interiors that havent felt cheap to me so far has been porsche and audi

and not gonna lie even my S13s redone interior felt better than some of the newer hondas and toyotas

[fathom socket]

So today I've tried to get in someone's else car

All puegeots 307 sw look the same

I was wondering why my car wouldn't open

[viscid atlas]

lol

not many people drive 997.1s around here so i have never tried to get into someone elses car

[stiff burrow]

I’ve done that before too 😂

[charred depot]

I tend to read car plates so even if my car wasnt as rare as it is I doubt id do it

I love spotting unmarked police cars

[stoic ledge]

Never had that happen to me before

[jovial mauve]

Dude i swear if you have a nice car everyone thinka your either rich or drug dealer

Co workers haha funny you sold some kg's

Like bruh

[stoic ledge]

Makes sense

Also them judging from their company car which is more expensive probably

[jovial mauve]

Yeah but they are old

Lets talk sticker price from back in the day 🤣

I mean it was still expenaive 2nd hand tho

[civic girder]

I think modern Toyota interiors aren't significantly better than their 90s cars. Cheaper more flimsy feeling materials in some places, but similar level of quality. Never owned an older Honda so I can't compare.
My 80s Camry has outstandingly good build quality. 280k miles, 30 years later, and zero rattles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[eager grove]

I dunno man. New American ford vehicles have been on a tear

The interior in the Mach e, the maverick, the bronco, the F150 lightning have all gotten high praise

The maverick has one of the the nicest interiors of any vehicle at its price point

[civic girder]

The Mach E is mediocre

interior wise. But I only sat in it once

[eager grove]

Interior wise? I suppose that’s fair

[civic girder]

I'll be able to give a more thorough review when my dad's Mach E finally gets through production

[eager grove]

Infotainment and gauge cluster are pretty good, but you’re right. There’s some cost cutting at that price point which is unsurprising in a new electric car

[civic girder]

my dad's Ford Fusion on the other hand, that interior is garbage

[eager grove]

But in terms of like soft touch and stuff, the maverick seems to strike a really good balance between cost cutting and looking nice

[civic girder]

the materials feel nice, but the layout is abysmal and the build quality is eh

[eager grove]

Yeah, and the eco sport and kuga aren’t good either

My mate has a puma he rated highly

[civic girder]

even my dad has grown to somewhat hate the fusion

it only has 50k miles but he's been dailying my mom's van lately

[eager grove]

What van?

[civic girder]

he wants to sign the fusion over to one of my siblings as soon as his Mach E shows up

[civic girder]

Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid

[eager grove]

Good van

I cannot understand why the new Kia Carnival isn’t a hybrid. So dumb

[civic girder]

Leagues better than the gas only model. Still suffers some of Chrylser's general cost cutting shit, and the rotary dial shift knob is the dumbest thing invented for a car

[eager grove]

Worse than a hunt and peck shifter?

[civic girder]

But otherwise it's a great van

[eager grove]

I’ve never used either but my parents get on fine with their rotary shifter

[civic girder]

if it will embed

these things suck so bad

[eager grove]

More than the button ones?

[civic girder]

they're not nearly notchy enough and you can't accurately just shove it in gear

[civic girder]

I think the button shifter in my Honda is ok

[eager grove]

Fair enough- I suppose rotary shifters are not all created equally

I’ve never had an automatic. I drove a golf r wagon the other day and that had a normal stick shifter for the automatic, which I like because you can do it without looking

[stoic ledge]

New Golf's have like a toggle switch of an inch tall

[eager grove]

Yeah those are weird too

[eager grove]

Clit shifter

[civic girder]

yeah the linear sliders for automatics are way better than anything else

notchy and predictable

plus you can typically slide from reverse to drive without using the release lever, which is just so convenient

plus you can easily change between neutral and drive the same way

the weird ass tree shifters and column shifters aren't too bad. Column shifters can be super annoying tho bc they're not the most predictable and don't feature the same lockouts that linear shifters have

this is what I mean by "tree" shifter

[stoic ledge]

Yeah best are just those in "1 line" imho

[stiff burrow]

the shifter in my car would give you guys an aneurysm 😂

i like the gated automatics, no button to press

you just move it

same with column shifters

dial shifters suck tho

[stoic ledge]

I'll just keep this

[stiff burrow]

sorry i live in a country where almost no cars come with a maual side from cheap shitboxes or expensive, unpractial sports cars 🤷‍♂️

and a few hot hatch type cars but those are slowly becoming auto too

[stoic ledge]

Yeah it's also beginning to get harder here to find a new car with a manual unless you keep it to the smaller segments

If you go a bit larger, you have a manual on the base engine sometimes, or no manual at all

[charred depot]

Saab lost power so I put my foot to the floor while in second and it suddenly burst to life as I zoomed away from the police car behind

[stiff burrow]

yeah, here if you want anything but the base spec you probably have to get auto. there are a few exceptions tho

all camaros come with a manual and i think you can get a manual in all mustangs but the gt500

[charred depot]

Still mostly manual up here even crossover clowns

[stiff burrow]

and theres stuff like a few honda civic trims, chevy spark, a few hyundais, m3, the blackwings, probably some more

miata

[stoic ledge]

If I had the choice I'd still go for a manual

[charred depot]

Most small / medium used car lots around here dont even stock automatics as they dont move.

[stiff burrow]

plus most people just dont care here if the car is auto or manual

[jovial mauve]

😩 😩 👀 👀

[charred depot]

My parents dont care for a manual its just what they are used to and the way things are here.

[stiff burrow]

driving is a chore to a lot of people, and you drive because you have to not because you want to

[stoic ledge]

What?

[stoic ledge]

It really depends on the area here, here it's still mostly manual but moving towards the coast you see more manuals as there are more traffic jams and stuff

• near the coast there are more company car, many company car buyers now go for autos

[stiff burrow]

did you guys have to learn manual for your drivers license

[charred depot]

if we dont we cant drive a manual

[stoic ledge]

We have to otherwise we can't drive manuals

[stiff burrow]

lol

[charred depot]

Im rocking old shitty cars aslong as I can so the first automatic I see will be an EV

[stiff burrow]

makes sense

i want to buy a miata at some point so learning to drive manual will be a "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" deal

[charred depot]

Something about a car which if I hadnt of wasted too much time on it would be in the scrapyard. It is worthless I could drive it into a wall and be at little loss but I do love it too much to do that.

[stoic ledge]

If you pass your test in an automatic, you get a special note on your drivers license which states you are only allowed to drive vehicles with an automatic transmission

[fathom socket]

true

[stoic ledge]

And as 90% or something like that used to be manuals, people got a drivers license for a manual.

And even today as a new driver, most go for a manual license as often 1st cars are still manuals

[charred depot]

mot pass

[stoic ledge]

OR your parents are rich and can give you a brand new BMW for your 18th bday

XD

[charred depot]

that brake hose ferrule scares the shit out of me

[jovial mauve]

You pick manual over automatic?

[stiff burrow]

yeah, it's like you saved it from "death" even though its completely worthless. that feeling is nice

[jovial mauve]

There is a loophole tho

[charred depot]

My friend is the king of that

[stoic ledge]

If I had the choice, definitely

[charred depot]

his blue car there was beyond fucked but hes brought it back

[stiff burrow]

Nice

Saving and fixing things > throwing it away and buying a new one

[jovial mauve]

Why tho?

[charred depot]

More engaging

[stoic ledge]

This

[jovial mauve]

What

[stiff burrow]

That’s such a circle jerk

Honestly

It’s so old

[jovial mauve]

It is

[charred depot]

You just told us you havent driven one

[stiff burrow]

Yeah I haven’t

But I know it’s a circlejerk

[charred depot]

So it is not more engaging at all?

[jovial mauve]

You can shit manually in automatic as well with pedals etc thats even cooler

And for everyday driving ans traffic jams, auto all day every day

[charred depot]

bit pointless though isnt it

[stoic ledge]

That's not "cooler"

[stiff burrow]

I don’t know, can’t tell you. But from my perspective it’s just people who think they’re the best because they drive manual

[stoic ledge]

Imho

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes traffic jams, weirdly enough I'm only in like 2 traffic jams a year

[jovial mauve]

To each his own i gues haha, i would never go back to manual i think

Ah im in 2 per day if i go to the office hahaha

[stiff burrow]

Or saying that they’re better drivers because manual

That’s ridiculous

[charred depot]

I drive alot while slightly tired so that little extra bit of engagement and consideration.

[stoic ledge]

Well yes maybe then I'd also prefer a automatic

But that's not the case for me

[jovial mauve]

i just like how it drives, granted i have never driven a "slow" auto

Only dual clutches i think

[stiff burrow]

Dual clutch is great

[jovial mauve]

Not slow car, but slow auto that shifts slower then manual

[charred depot]

when the DCT service is

[stoic ledge]

I also rather have a nice slushbox (ZF 8HP or something like that) than a DCT, but that's just personal preference

[stiff burrow]

My car has a 10 speed “slushbox” and in the sport tuning mode it shifts as fast as a PDK or DCT.

Plus the advantages of having a torque converter

Doesn’t downshift very quickly though

[jovial mauve]

DCT is dual clutch shortcut?

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[jovial mauve]

Hmm i never really had any high costs on my DSG's

[charred depot]

how old your car

[jovial mauve]

Just maintain them

What me?

[charred depot]

yes

[jovial mauve]

My car now is from 2012 but it has s tronic, i thibk its DSG rebranded not sure tho

[charred depot]

well id hope it would last 9 years

[stoic ledge]

Be glad you don't own a VAG product with the dry clutch DSG (1.6 TDI, 1.0-1.2-1.4TSI)... those clutches can go very fast

[jovial mauve]

I have had a 17 a clasa with DCT and a golf R with DSG

[stoic ledge]

I've even seen them getting replaced and being broken again within 5k km

[jovial mauve]

I dont understand what you are saying

[charred depot]

as in your car is young

its not too amazing you havent had issues

[stoic ledge]

The wet clutch DSG's are way better

[jovial mauve]

Ah okay i mean thats fair

Im just speaking from my expierence with them

My polo gti was manuel tho

[charred depot]

I do a fair bit of stop and go traffic now but it doesent bother me too much as my job involves pulling and carrying cable

clutch feels like it doesent exist by the time I get out of work

[stiff burrow]

I had a Tahoe with the 4 speed, that transmission/engine combo wasn’t too bad

Perfect for towing stuff which I occasionally did at the time

[charred depot]

sad fuel economy noises

[stiff burrow]

That was like 2012

[charred depot]

still heh

I miss the days of 40mpg but that car annoyed and bored me to death

[eager grove]

I’ve always driven manuals, but definitely want an automatic next. My car being manual doesn’t give me any additional engagement, though I know a lot enthusiasts think so

[stiff burrow]

That car got like 12 mpg 😂

[eager grove]

Driving a DSG in non sport mode would probably take some getting used to- when you’re expecting instant response

[charred depot]

Drive a car with no brakes and youll be glad its a manual theres an advantage

[stiff burrow]

How often would you run into that though

Plus autos let you go into manual mode and choose a gear

[charred depot]

could the torque converter not disengage if the engine speed went too low

me, once in 2-3 years of driving

In my case I could just turn my car off to bring it to a pretty fast stop

[stiff burrow]

True

[charred depot]

often vastly cheaper insurance for manuals for whatever reason be it vehicle cost or driver data

[stoic ledge]

Probably as they're cheaper ?

[charred depot]

another thing is over here if you have an automatic license and you insure an automatic, you will pay more than a "full"(manual) license holder insuring an automatic

[vocal mural]

Another thing that they discriminate you on car insurance in the UK is the gender

[charred depot]

I believe that got stopped a few years back

it was a very stark difference back when it was a thing though

[vocal mural]

I am glad that I have a nearly full B license (without E)

[vocal mural]

In my opinion they should give restriction code 69 to people who have been caught driving drunk multiple times

[stoic ledge]

Yes 2nd time caught -> alcohol lock

[vocal mural]

I know that in Sweden all work vehicles have alcohol lock. Even police cars and ambulances

[eager grove]

Yes, this became illegal

[solid forge]

I CAN HAZ CARS?

[crisp elbow]

I wish they would do that here In Canada lol.

I pay more as a 23 yr old male then a 23 yr old female would, and I drive for a living doen some pretty shitty roads

[eager grove]

It’s an odds game!

[crisp elbow]

Very true

[eager grove]

Like they literally take all the variables and stats they have access to

And minimax them or whatever to give you a price

[crisp elbow]

It's neat learning what happens elsewhere tho.

Like the whole manual vs auto license that's new to me kinda makes sense but also weird.

I went from a 2013 gti dsg to a 2019 gti 6mt, I couldn't imagine having to retake my license just to drive my new car

[eager grove]

But over here gender is a protected category so it ran afoul of discrimination legislation. Can’t discriminate by gender, sexuality, race or nationality

[crisp elbow]

Which makes 100% sense. That's how it should be

[eager grove]

Which is why almost all instructors teach in manual vehicles

[crisp elbow]

Makes sense, I just woke up might have not read everything 100% haha.

[eager grove]

Over here people do 20-40 hours with an instructor on average before they can pass their test and drive alone.

[crisp elbow]

Man that would save a whole lot of headaches haha

It's ridiculous how many people just Get there licenses here.

[stoic ledge]

You aren't even allowed to learn with your parents or anything

Learning with an instructor is kind of mandated in that way

[crisp elbow]

You do a learners test at like 14 and drove with someone 18yrs or older until your 16 then you get your probationary full license some rules and stipulations until your 18 then you can get your 100% full license

[stoic ledge]

I had 30hrs of lessons, average is 40-45

[crisp elbow]

Man we need that here

[charred depot]

You can learn with you parents in the uk but fuck that

[crisp elbow]

I litteraly don't need any time behind the wheel to get my licenses

I could just wing it all

[stoic ledge]

Well you can try to take a test without any lessons, but 100% you won't pass xD

[crisp elbow]

I passed all my tests first try, but the amount of people I know that have had to redo them 3,4 or 5 times is nuts

[stoic ledge]

Hell, instructors won't even risk to take you to an exam without them having instructed you themselves for a few lessons

I also passed both theoretical and practical exam first try

[charred depot]

Last I checked most people fail the first time over here

[crisp elbow]

Yall should come here and drive around for a day, I'm suprised I haven't gone bald yet ripping my hair out in frustration

[charred depot]

Theres no way I wasnt failing the first time with my nerves

[crisp elbow]

I'm by no means the best driver but the practice and time and skill I've learnt and put behind the wheel just driving, finding open lots and putting myself in "situations" and driving for my job I'm better then most of the population in my province lmao.

Makes me really want the gov't to rethink our driving standards

[charred depot]

I take it you are in the US

[crisp elbow]

Canada

[charred depot]

Same thing :^)

[crisp elbow]

Ahah basically

We're just cooler

*BA da tsss

[stoic ledge]

I see what you did there

US be like "narrow street"

[crisp elbow]

Luckily it's been a tame winter so far

[stoic ledge]

Imagine not having a front license plate

[crisp elbow]

*glorious *

Im so glad we do not need front plates

Now i wish i could just get rid of the rear Lmao

[stoic ledge]

I'm so used to it now

My front bumper even has a specific cutout for it

So without it, it would just look weird

[crisp elbow]

Yea thats fair

[stoic ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375461451403624471/918226524673548328/IMG_20210409_120700.jpg

It's just integrated in the design lol

And bright yellow

[crisp elbow]

I thought our color scheme was bad

Red on white lol

[stoic ledge]

Most countries in Europe have white plates

[crisp elbow]

Netherlands?

[stoic ledge]

🇳🇱 was like "Nah fam, Bright yellow it is"

Yes

Although actually I'm now also used to the yellow plates so I find it better than white plates, especially on white cars

[crisp elbow]

Always wanted to go, see where my heritage came fron

[stoic ledge]

Your ancestors are Dutch?

[crisp elbow]

Partially haha, my dad's side is Cree and Scottish, my moms is Dutch, German, Ukrainian, and a few others

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Oof

[crisp elbow]

Hahahaha

The food is good at least

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That bear plate

[jovial mauve]

I had the black NL stickers makes it a bit better

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Noooooooo

Illegal

[crisp elbow]

Litteraly a polar bear haha I love Canada

[jovial mauve]

My sisters car paint juat dying aftwr washing

[stoic ledge]

It's amazing, I'd move to there just to get that plate

😂

How tf is the metal underneath the point polished and shiny

[crisp elbow]

Just from being wet probably

[stoic ledge]

Well most Micra's of that age have rust so if it's only paint, it's not too bad

[crisp elbow]

Hahaha the bright side of things

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Btw your Mk7 GTI... Doesn't it have like a different engine then in Europe?

[crisp elbow]

Um I'm not to sure

All i know is its gen 3 EA888 with performance pack option so like 238bhp

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Hmm Wikipedia isn't clear about it

Lemme check what Europe had

[crisp elbow]

I think the main thing is just petrol difference

In Europe & ROW : Recommended is (97 RON (93-94 AKI) ) and minimum is 95 RON (~90-91 AKI) for reduced performance. 93 AKI surprisingly is not available in some parts of the USA so cannot be used as a base to estimate power output nationwide unless VW wants to risk a lawsuit.

In USA /Canada: Recommended is (91 AKI (95 RON) ) and minimum is (87 AKI) for reduced performance. 87 AKI is not available in most of the world.

Mine has only ever seen 95 and 97 Ron (91-94aki)

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I do know the European models have a separate set of injectors in the inlet

Which I think the US model doesn't have

[crisp elbow]

Noep the don't, at least mine doesn't haha. Haven't seen one since I've had my hands in there.

Some Audi's and other models do but not the vw

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Yeah to European GTI's have both MPI as direct injection

That's probably the main difference

[crisp elbow]

The difference between Canadian and USA cars is crazy too Tho, America. Got shafted with them for 5he most part haha

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[crisp elbow]

Minot stuff like Color and options but still lol they get what they get

Brb need to find my glasses so I can see what I type

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Many US Mk7 Golfs from what I've seen don't even have automatic Climate Control, while I think it was standard here on GTI's*

[crisp elbow]

I got lucky. I have the 6mt autobahn edition so all the fancy

Paid like s trim gti price haha

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Hell not even GTI's, you see a nicely equiped US regular Golf with satnav leather seats etc but no climate control

S is base right?

[crisp elbow]

Yea

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Idk we don't have that naming scheme here

[crisp elbow]

Oh lol my bad

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VW here are like Easyline, Trendline, Comfortline, Highline etc

Which is S, SE, SEL, SEL Premium or something I think?

[stoic ledge]

No worries

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The actually ditched this, now it's stuff like <nameless>, Life, Style, R-Line Business

[crisp elbow]

Na naming scheme uses trend line and such but everywhere lists them as either s, SE, and autobahn

Then what ever special edition they come out with

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Oof

[crisp elbow]

I'm madd jealy th9

Yall get the clubsport model

I want those seats for mine so bad

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You won't be jealous when you hear the 🇳🇱 prices

[crisp elbow]

Hahaha you're probably right

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Clubsport? €49995

[crisp elbow]

That's like

70k cad

Ouch

[stoic ledge]

🚀

[crisp elbow]

But like

Yumm y

I paid like 25k your dollars for my autobahn

[vocal mural]

We also get white plates. Mainly for trailers up to 750kg, but I will mount instead of the yellow on the front and just change for MOt

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Yes but not on cars themsselvers

[vocal mural]

32 lessons and passed1st time

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Also that's very illegal, they'll pull you over if you have that on your car instead of the white plate

[crisp elbow]

I like spec on mine vs like the fully loaded autobahn.

6mt
LSD
Upgraded radio
Leather

Only thing I don't have is the dynamic cruise and adaptive suspension which I never would have used anyway. Cars getting coil overs and if im catching up to someone ill just pass them anyway haha

[jovial mauve]

My sisters car paint juat dying aftwr washing

[stoic ledge]

You ordered it new?

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Reeeepost 😛

[crisp elbow]

Last one sitting on the lot haha. If I had more time I would have custom ordered but this one was brand new and fit the bill anysay

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Cars in stock isn't really a thing here, or it must be for high volume models

Definitely not for a GTI

Which you can imagine with the price

[crisp elbow]

Haha yup

It's hit and miss here too Tho. I really did just get lucky

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Mk8 GTI Clubsport isn't even sold here officially as they know it's a lost cause, but they would be ~60k - 65k euros (86-93k CAD)

Noice gg

[crisp elbow]

I commited sacrilege tho. I removed the golf ball shifter and put a different one in when I did my short throw

[stoic ledge]

[crisp elbow]

Ouch. I'm not the biggest fan of the mk8 yet

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Same

Mk8 is ugly

[crisp elbow]

Pls I'm sorry hahab

Just look at that but

Uuughh

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Isn't she a beauty

[crisp elbow]

Wtf

Why no send like normal photo

Damnit samsung

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What's a .heic file lol

[crisp elbow]

High efficiency image format

I never use my phone camera so idk what the settings. Are lmao.

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[crisp elbow]

Pretty clear for 15x digital zoom tho lol

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Are those tinted aftermarket units are did you tint the rear lights yourself?

[crisp elbow]

This is what the normal looks like lmao

[jovial mauve]

Nah what

[crisp elbow]

It's a film

There factory tailights that got tinted when the car did

[stoic ledge]

You posted it like 15 minutes ago also

[crisp elbow]

I couldn't do the fishbowl lmao

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Oof, highly illegal here

[jovial mauve]

Wait what

[crisp elbow]

It technically is here tho but there still bright af and I've had it on for a year plus now jaha

[jovial mauve]

Hmm yes i see weird

[stoic ledge]

Here

[jovial mauve]

I did not even see your response

Ut yeah shiny bc wet

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oof

[crisp elbow]

I rebel

[jovial mauve]

Nice man

I like the GTI

[crisp elbow]

I plan on getting the euro tailights for it tho it's just hard to spend a grand on them haha

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What's the difference?

The amber part?

[crisp elbow]

One sec

[jovial mauve]

Any reason you went with the GTI instead of the R ?

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Uhm that line yes, but that red block is something they definitely won't do

[crisp elbow]

Mainly price, it was hard to justify a 15k difference for barely awd and the little bit more power I found the r to not handle as well as the gti either plus I can do more with my car with the money I saved

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Price?

[jovial mauve]

I mean he has the 7,5 gti the facelift

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Well purchased it new

[jovial mauve]

The 7r is on par at least not a 15k difference not even here i think

[civic spoke]

Last generation vs the new one.

New one looking more sleeker.

[crisp elbow]

I picked mine up for 35 cad all in, the r was just over 50k cad all in here

[jovial mauve]

My god 63k for the new new gti

[civic spoke]

I prefer the last generation VW Golf. Mk 7.5, or whatever you want to call it.

I think it was.

[stoic ledge]

Mk7.5 > Mk8 anytime

[jovial mauve]

The 7 gti performance is almost same price as 7 r

[crisp elbow]

100%

[pearl tiger]

Golf R32 last good one

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The Golf 8 is worse in almost everything

[jovial mauve]

Yess

[crisp elbow]

I want a mk4 r32 so bad

One day

And a Mk2

[stiff burrow]

R32 is def the best golf

And the VR6 ones

[jovial mauve]

The new gti has 300hp tho same as the R

[civic spoke]

But mah technology.

[jovial mauve]

Mk7 r

[crisp elbow]

I love my 7.5 tho. My mk6 was fun but I honestly got bored of the dsg switching to manual 7.5 was a good move for me

Besides the fact my dsg went and broke lol

[jovial mauve]

I like the looks of the golf gti more then R, but it felt idk slower the 7 non clubsport etc

[stiff burrow]

So true

[jovial mauve]

Not slower then the R, just slower in general

Maybe my expectations where wronf

[stiff burrow]

I drive on streets that are 4 lanes wide every day

[civic spoke]

A street isn't narrow if a truck and a car can pass.

[stiff burrow]

Lol

True

I really like the new R too, I’d buy one

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Mk8 R? Are you blind?

[crisp elbow]

Ahahahahahaha

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

I like it

[crisp elbow]

I can see the appeal that people would like

[jovial mauve]

the rear looks horrid

the new RS3 tho

spicy

[crisp elbow]

But personally there's just to much bad changes that I can't get behind and the looks just arnt there for me

[stoic ledge]

The looks, interior, ease of use, cost cutting...

Oh and the ridiculous price tag

65k here, or 95k CAD / 75k USD

[crisp elbow]

I need exhaust for my car badly

[stoic ledge]

Ohno the fart noises

[jovial mauve]

you just hate everything 😛

[stiff burrow]

😏

[stoic ledge]

No, but fart noises are just unnecessary and annoying

[jovial mauve]

how is it annoying you only hear it if they go full out

if you drive normal its super muffled

[stoic ledge]

Because the average R driver is only going full out in residential areas

[stiff burrow]

Lul

[jovial mauve]

like GTI's S3's like all these cars make these noises you know this right

like a45 c63 etc etc etc

[stoic ledge]

Oui je sais

I hate them all

[jovial mauve]

bruh

[stiff burrow]

My car does that stock too 😂

I think most performance oriented cars do

[jovial mauve]

the exhaust in the vid is also stock

look at this beast

[stiff burrow]

Is that a Chrysler 300

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Si

[jovial mauve]

5,7 V8 Hemi

[crisp elbow]

I do not miss fart noises haha

[jovial mauve]

ah i can see its no longer in NL

sad 😦

[stiff burrow]

5.7L 😂🤏

Jk

[stoic ledge]

Exported 5 years ago

[jovial mauve]

it was my mates first car

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

imagine

[stiff burrow]

Wow

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I love it was a company car first

[jovial mauve]

yes hahaha

[stiff burrow]

I’m sad they got rid of the SRT 300

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Now people leasing electric Kona's and stuff

This guy was like lemme get a V8 300C

Love him

[jovial mauve]

like this thing handled like ass, the iside ass, but the sound

[stiff burrow]

That’s a pretty sweet first car though

[jovial mauve]

was so good

[stiff burrow]

That about sums up Chrysler

[jovial mauve]

yhe car he got after i liked more

[stiff burrow]

What did he get after

[jovial mauve]

E class

[stiff burrow]

Bruh

[jovial mauve]

let me see if i have a pic

[stoic ledge]

Nice a taxi

runs

😛

[stiff burrow]

Nice

[jovial mauve]

this thing had like 30k km's

[stoic ledge]

Classy spec tho

Brown with light interior

I like

[jovial mauve]

i dont like the beige inside but the 300c had it aswell

[crisp elbow]

All black interior or busy

[crisp elbow]

Bust

[jovial mauve]

it was a diesel hybrid thing

it drove so smooth and really economical

[crisp elbow]

Yummy

[stoic ledge]

What's that under the mirror

[stoic ledge]

Oof he only had it for a year?

[jovial mauve]

Yup

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Full AMG line but no dual zone AC 👀

[jovial mauve]

bc its useless

and then you can go

dual zone ac but no ambient light

ambient light but no red belts

etc etc etc

[stoic ledge]

OOF

[jovial mauve]

this guy

[stoic ledge]

[jovial mauve]

those options are expensive

i opted to get the sunroof instead

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I know, it's a Merc. Everything is an option

[jovial mauve]

or a package with one thing you want and 9 you dont want

[stoic ledge]

Like every premium brand

Oh yes

[crisp elbow]

Radar detector

[stoic ledge]

That's also a very Mercedes thing to do, put a frequently opted feature in an option pack with useless stuff and ask 4k for it, instead of just the single option

Everything can be selected separately, but that option? Nah fam

[stiff burrow]

I hate when they do that

[stoic ledge]

Same

[vocal mural]

@fathom socket Something for you? (The article is in Dutch) https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/peugeot-405-1995-liefhebber-gezocht/

[fathom socket]

[stoic ledge]

Great cars

[vocal mural]

I am actually waiting for the new Grand Tour episode

[stoic ledge]

1 week

[crisp elbow]

Side note, steel shifter in too hot or too cold weather is not fun haha

[stoic ledge]

Lol yeah my parents had that in their previous Peugeot

Not good

[stiff burrow]

Can relate

[stoic ledge]

You only need to shift once

[stiff burrow]

Not specifically with the shifter

Metal pieces in general suck in hot or cold weather

[stoic ledge]

True

[crisp elbow]

XD

This group is great

[stoic ledge]

[stiff burrow]

My car has metal shift paddles though, so

[crisp elbow]

Flappy paddles

[stiff burrow]

Yes

Le flappy paddles

[stoic ledge]

My car also has metal shift paddles: clutch, brake and gas

[stiff burrow]

Lol

Driving with flappy paddles feels kinda like driving an f1 car 😂

[stoic ledge]

[stiff burrow]

At least I assume, I’ve never driven an f1 car xD

[stoic ledge]

Haven't you? Weird, that's the first thing they train us

😛

[stiff burrow]

Must be a regional thing

Safety

He’s missing his right mirror too

[stoic ledge]

Lol

[stiff burrow]

I just noticed that

[stoic ledge]

Yeah mirror fell out

The US got those with a powerful 1.4

Europe with a 1.0 🚀

[stiff burrow]

And a 5 speed

That’s kinda rare for here

Lul

[stoic ledge]

Oof nice

Real race car

[stiff burrow]

True

For basic transportation a spark isn’t bad

It’s on the same “dirt cheap” tier as the Mitsubishi Mirage

[stoic ledge]

Waay better than the Mirage

Any day

We used to have many cars in that class/segment

Spark (Opel Karl) was one of the better imho

[stiff burrow]

Definitely

The mirage should have been discontinued long ago

[stoic ledge]

Nah just facelift it for the 3rd time

They call the Mirage Space Star here

[stiff burrow]

Lol

[stoic ledge]

Such space

Much wow

Ours only have 3 cyls tho

1.0 or 1.2

[crisp elbow]

Turbo go

[stoic ledge]

So it's even better

Turbo go brrrr

[stoic ledge]

Luckily no sedan, only the hatchback

[stiff burrow]

I don’t think we ever got a sedan either

[stoic ledge]

I thought Mirage G4 was a thing

[stiff burrow]

I thought you were talking about the spark lol

Yeah there’s a mirage sedan here

[stoic ledge]

Aaah sorry

Nah Spark was hatchback only

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

We had a sonic hatchback and a sonic sedan though

Cruze too

We had a Cruze diesel hatchback at one point

[stoic ledge]

beast

[stoic ledge]

Same

Although Chevrolet stopped selling in Europe in 2013 or 2014

[stiff burrow]

Wow that recently

[stoic ledge]

We had a diesel version of almost every car here

Even the Sonic

(called Aveo here)

[stiff burrow]

The only diesel vehicles here are trucks and large suvs

And a few cars

[stoic ledge]

Diesel sales are dropping now

But we used to have them in everything

Even in cars the size of a Chevrolet Spark

[stiff burrow]

GM in the 70s and VW a few years ago basically killed off diesel cars (aside from trucks) in the US

They have a Tahoe diesel now though

Kinda cool

[stoic ledge]

Sadly diesel is now also dying due to dieselgate

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

Diesel is great for trucks though

[stoic ledge]

My brother has a diesel Volvo hatchback Also had a diesel Fiat Punto (car sized like my Corsa, or Ford Fiesta/Chevrolet Sonic for your reference)

Diesel can be great for passenger cars also if you do longer trips

[stiff burrow]

Nice

[stoic ledge]

I'd still drive a diesel if necessary

[stiff burrow]

GM makes a 6.6L TT V8 diesel 😂
445HP and 910Lb-Ft torque

Ford has one too, theirs is a 6.7

[stoic ledge]

But it's taxes high here so it only makes sense if you do more than 15k miles/year

Yeah those big truck V8's are awesome

[stiff burrow]

If I lived in Europe I’d consider a diesel

They are

One of my friends has an f350 with the 6.7, that truck is a beast

[stoic ledge]

99% of US trucks here are gas V8's running on LPG

[stiff burrow]

Makes sense

[crisp elbow]

I drive a 6.6 duramax 2019 denali for work. Not a bad truck but much prefer the ford's

[stoic ledge]

Remapped my brothers Volvo diesel Base was just 120hp Now 180hp which is ... Actually very reasonable

And 400Nm / 300ft lb?

[crisp elbow]

So clean

[stiff burrow]

Lol

[stoic ledge]

Very clean

Just of the showroom floor

[stiff burrow]

I like all the trucks, but I think fords look the best

[crisp elbow]

Earthen clay is the color

[fathom socket]

Cleaner than my home

[crisp elbow]

Very beautiful

[stoic ledge]

I like the RAM's the most personally

[crisp elbow]

100%

[stiff burrow]

The rams are nice

[crisp elbow]

Now i ask, are you blind

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

[stiff burrow]

Lul

I wish ram’s diesel was a V8 though

[stoic ledge]

It's 100000x better than a Golf Mk8 😛

[crisp elbow]

You know what

I'll give you that

[stoic ledge]

[vocal mural]

When it is pre PSA

[stoic ledge]

Well yeah it's the same as the GM Chevrolet Spark

[vocal mural]

Most Cantas is diesel operated if i mind correctly

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[vocal mural]

Disabled car: Petrol; "Normal" 45 km wagon: Diesel

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[vocal mural]

About diesel, a company from Loenen, Veluwe makes motorcycles based on VW TDI engines

[stiff burrow]

Cool

[stoic ledge]

Didn't know that

Star Twin Thunderstar 1200TDI

Lupo 1.2 TDI

[crisp elbow]

Man. The new scirroco, pole and lupo

I wish i could get

Need an ltt beanie just for this thing

[timber oar]

Was sitting in my school lot today and someone pulls up with a lifted full cab full bed f350

With power extend running boards

That was one damn big truck if i do say so

[stoic ledge]

New Scirocco? 🤔

[crisp elbow]

Well newest gen.

We haven't had a scirroco in yeaaars here

And corrodo so much want

I should just move to Europe

[stiff burrow]

Just ordered a dash cam

Videos possibly coming soon 😂

[crisp elbow]

Oh man

I love rewatchinf my vids

I should send my deer hit

[eager grove]

Yeah I can’t understand why US trucks don’t have more diesel V8s

Like can you even buy the new defender with a 6cyl diesel in the US? Seems like the perfect engine for that sort of car

If you have a car as big and heavy as a US light duty truck for towing and hauling and shit, a big ol’ Diesel engine with great low end torque would be the best thing

[stoic ledge]

Europe it's also gone since 2017, which has been the same model since 2008. Based on the Mk5 Golf so ancient

In some markets even discontinued earlier (2013)

[eager grove]

I don’t know much about off roading but I feel like diesel would be well suited to off-road vehicles

[stoic ledge]

Which one?

[stiff burrow]

A nexar one

I heard it was pretty good

[stoic ledge]

Probably fine yes

I have a Viofo

[stiff burrow]

Yeah it’s pretty weird, all the 1/2 ton trucks have 6 cyl diesels.

Oops wrong message

Meant to reply to a different one

That duramax i6 is pretty good tho, I drove a yukon with one and it was not bad

[stoic ledge]

Can't you also get that engine in the Escalade?

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

The Tahoe and suburban have it too

They have the same engines as the Silverado minus the 4 cylinder

[stoic ledge]

Wait there's a 4-cyl for the Silverado?

[stiff burrow]

Yeah lol

It has 310hp and 420lbft of torque though

It’s the same engine that’s in my car actually

[stoic ledge]

Idk don't think I'd get a truck with a 4 cyl

No offense

It's perfect for your CT4

But a truck?

If the truck ever gets used for it's intended purpose, it won't last as long

Although if it's a truck solely used for city driving... It's probably fine

[stiff burrow]

I wouldn’t buy a 4 cylinder truck either

If I was in the market for a truck I’d skip the V6 too, at least in the Silverado and the ram

The 5.3 is good tho

[dense shard]

Literally made for the truck

CT4 uses a truck engine

[stiff burrow]

Yeah

It was repurposed

I think it works better in a sedan than in a truck though

[stoic ledge]

Sure, but yeah it just doesn't fit a truck

Damn it even features cylinder deactivation? On a 4-cyl truck? What's it using then, 2 cylinders?

[fathom socket]

wait

you guys get bigger engines than 2 liters?

[stoic ledge]

Only finding out now?

[flint sable]

Our daily driver truck is a 6.2L that gets 13mpg

[fathom socket]

Meanwhile my company has buses that have 1.6 liter engines with like 80 hp

[fathom socket]

New hobby just now started!

[stiff burrow]

Cool

[fathom socket]

It's stock speed is 31mph my big motor is coming next week and I'll swap it and it will hit 106 mph with a bigger battery. Something tells me it's my biggest new hobby yet.

[waxen coral]

woah cool a cars channel

how sweet

Here is my car

The 3 series

Claudia is the name, bad fuel economy is the game

[stiff burrow]

Do you have any mods?

[waxen coral]

Well i guess the exhaust is a "mod" but its mostly just because the muffler hanger broke off

so i had a shop weld in a pipe

[stiff burrow]

Oh ok

Nice car

[waxen coral]

I also cut out the charcoal filter

From the airbox

its for emissions, and its a non removable filter element that gets clogged over the years

Gets better throttle response now

Im a simple girl, all i wanted was rwd and a 6 speed manual

that is what i got

I love how it never snows in Vancouver until the one time i park on the street

[stiff burrow]

We are not going there

[summer totem]

Car go vroom

[summer totem]

Rip

I'm looking to get a e92 330i as a daily but haven't found a good one yet (m sport package, manual, in good state)

E92 imo is one of the most beautiful cars

335i then?

Or no e92 at all?

325i from sept 07 onwards has same 3.0 motor from the 330i

Ouch

That sucks

The 335i is cool and all

Turbo, power woo. Etc etc

But the 330i is more a drivers car

Dream car still is e92 m3 though

Dct

Stripped

Caged

The sound

Ohhh

I go to nurburgring a lot, a lot of them there

The sound is the tits

Before the rona i went almost twice a month

🥰

3hr drive if traffic is cool

350km

😍 😍

A fast 4 series would be cool too

Little more modern

But the e92 still is the goat

6 cyl sounds so good

I currently own a 4 cyl shitbox without interior and a bicycle

[charred depot]

suprised my starters still alive, been having to start the engine while driving

[summer totem]

300mm front brakes
Team dynamics pro race 1.2 15" 7j
Nankang ns2r
Some powerflex stuff, some suspension stuff and no interior

Rims are a tight fit over the brakes 😂

It's fun

Track in the rain is nice and slippery

That starter hurts

[charred depot]

pop starts with a broken engine mount

[summer totem]

Meanwhile I've had this ford for almost 4 years

0 issues

Untill i started modifying it

[charred depot]

I had no maf for a few a days so everytime I put the clutch in the engine would turn off

[summer totem]

Me too

So i don't spill coolant and get sued for 9 million

[charred depot]

my coolant pipes are all soaked with oil im suprised they havent deteriorated

[summer totem]

Oil temp

Hehe

[charred depot]

£450 saab with less issues :^)

[summer totem]

Wut

[charred depot]

To be fair what % of people driving them would actually check their gauges

[summer totem]

I never drive moderately

😂

Next year again

Asap

Got this one printed and hung up on the wall behind my desk

Haha

[fathom socket]

For me the pre lift focus looks like it has an evil face

Same with puegeout 307

[charred depot]

my saab will be a twin engine soon

cant wait for it to dent in the boot floor

[summer totem]

With orange cheeks 🤣

[fathom socket]

Yep

[charred depot]

I havent quite worked out how I will fit a engine and a hoist in my boot but ill work that out when I get there

[summer totem]

https://youtu.be/g75LI9oJEgs

Slow piece of shit noises

On street rubber unfortunately

[charred depot]

atleast your rear suspension is slightly more advanced than: beam

I want to take the saab on a trackday but they cost half as much as I paid for the car over here

mainly just porsches etc

[fathom socket]

I always wanted to take my focus on track

[charred depot]

I dont need insurance : )

[fathom socket]

But it became a 3 cylinder

[summer totem]

Don't need insurance on track

[charred depot]

unless ofcourse you are worried about destroying your car

[summer totem]

Ahh yes, but still the beam ones can be the most fun ones

Nurburgring, 30 eur a lap

325 aud for 5x 20 min is cheap

[charred depot]

I could move my sway bar link by hand. Car might handle better now with new ones although it is pretty rolly.

its probably still rolly

[summer totem]

I can drive away 160 eur on the nurburgring in under an hour

5 laps

Easy sub 10 mins

And my car is slow

Just dont bin it

[charred depot]

Id like to drive to the nurburgring to do a few laps but I dont quite trust this car enough not to breakdown

all the way from Scotland

Trust my 1987 peugeot 305 more although with its 50hp

not the best for trackdays

[summer totem]

How so?

Thr slower cars are the most fun

[charred depot]

can barely merge onto a motorway

[summer totem]

Keep momentum

[charred depot]

it has a top speed of like 80-90mph

[summer totem]

I overtook a porsche 3x in my slow piece of shit

[charred depot]

theres slow and then theres slooow