cars

[stoic ledge]

Failing a test doesn't take away the right to travel at all 🤔

Plenty of ways to get around

[charred depot]

My mums car is worth about £350, its old and we pay ~£100 a year maintaining it to MOT standards.

[civic spoke]

Don't come here with that sov-cit stuff.

[charred depot]

sometimes we dont pay anything for the year

fuck brakes man those cost money

[civic spoke]

How???

[charred depot]

wouldnt want to spend some of my money on such menial items

[stoic ledge]

You know what else causes an economic strain? Having an accident because your car is unsafe, causing someone to have permanent injuries

[charred depot]

Cars being maintained reasonably creates jobs

[civic spoke]

And inspecting cars is also a job.

[charred depot]

If your car is so far gone that you have to spend a substantial amount of money to meet basic inspections well.

[stoic ledge]

So your solution is to never maintain a car and then buy a brand new one?

[charred depot]

Its too far gone isnt it?

[civic spoke]

Shitboxes needs to be safe as well.

[charred depot]

My family has shitboxes. We maintain them to MOT standards for little cost.

[stoic ledge]

Also great idea, why didn't I think of that: don't have an accident

[charred depot]

Because you like the car?

Well then pick the best financial option

[civic spoke]

My car is basically one. There is stuff wrong with it, and I know how to fix it. But your average driver doesn't. Nor are they willing to do anything about it. Because it still runs.

[charred depot]

if another car makes more sense, not necessarily a new one then change.

[stoic ledge]

So your life or the life of others isn't worth keeping your car within the minimum limits of maintenance?

[civic spoke]

In my eyes, then used 10 year old cars are the sweet spot to buy.

[charred depot]

cannot concur mmlol

[civic spoke]

But those are also cars that will never see a dealership again.

[charred depot]

My fault for buying a crash car though

If you fail the MOT on something which costs a large sum of money then the car is simply unsafe

If you fail that badly

[civic spoke]

Most $1,000 cars are already something that is falling apart. In most cases, at least.

[charred depot]

Operating a vehicle doesent cost nothing

That just doesent happen

[civic spoke]

They will only tell you to replace them if they are actually worn down.

[charred depot]

Funnily enough you can have inspections that guess what, make sense.

thats not a little heat damage

if YOU have warped your rotors then they need replaced

[stoic ledge]

Fire damage is also heat, that will fail your inspection

:)

[charred depot]

relevant

[stoic ledge]

Send it back and get a new one

[charred depot]

Thats nothing to do with inspections heh

[stoic ledge]

buys faulty parts from back alley part store
"iNsPeCtIoNs ArE a RiPoFf"

[civic spoke]

What does any of that have to do with inspections?

[charred depot]

And

"We shouldnt have inspections because my brother received a defect brake disc!"

Defective parts are bad yes, you should take that up with the supplier

Sucks to be you I guess

But inspections dont cause this.

[stoic ledge]

Faulty parts will just get replaced by good parts

[charred depot]

So we can agree inspections are alright.

[stoic ledge]

Lol sue them

[civic spoke]

Nothing to do with inspections, still.

[stoic ledge]

☝️

[civic spoke]

...

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[civic spoke]

That's quality control. Not car inspections.

[charred depot]

If the car fails to meet expected requirements on a rolling road braking test then yes it would fail

They dont care how old the parts are

It either meets the requirements or it doesent

[civic spoke]

They only tell you the end result. If your braking power isn't there. Then you need to fix it.

[charred depot]

Mate your control arm is totally bent: "buh its brand new!!!!!!!"

alright then guess you pass

[civic spoke]

Yikes.

[charred depot]

Yet you wouldnt go over 40

They dont check for warpage on a inspection

thats way too much effort

the thickness is checked and it is put on a rolling road

[civic spoke]

So you're saying that you are good enough at inspection your own car, and taking care of it.

[charred depot]

so if it "brakes fine" then it passes.

meanwhile cant identify a problem for 2 years

[civic spoke]

Yet you let it drive like that for two years?

[charred depot]

so just neglect it for 2 years

[civic spoke]

But you're telling us that you're so good at keeping good care of your car.

Why didn't you just buy a new car?

[charred depot]

Nah cars dont need taken care of if it moves its good innit

I dont really think a person that buys a 2016 Camaro is the kind of person that should be complaining about having to maintain their vehicle.

[civic spoke]

That sounds like warped brakes. Or maybe some suspension components.

...

It wasn't checked out after that?

[charred depot]

its just a troll really

[civic spoke]

Sounds like the issue is deeper than just rotors.

[charred depot]

but people like this do exist.

[civic spoke]

Aye. Sounds like a troll in my eyes. A Joker, if you will.

Then it's at the point where the insurance company should just take the car.

[charred depot]

even if this story is real its a story of incompetence rather than anything bad about inspections.

[civic spoke]

If a car that has been in a collision can not be fixed after several attempts to fix it. Then there is something wrong with it.

If you don't mind me asking. Who was at fault in the accident?

[civic spoke]

So true.

My whole opinion is still that you should have chases after the people who repaired your vehicle. Having documented faults would have made the whole process easier for you.

[charred depot]

Tesla meh but this steering wheel is unforgiveable

unless they give it a fast as fek steering rack or its very annoying

and fast steering racks are annoying for highway driving

also the wheel is annoying for reversing at speed

just y

[night current]

Elon's goal is to make every human input something the car is supposed to do. Steering is something that the ai is supposed to do, so no need for a giant steering wheel or anything...

My summary of his words at least. Lol

[charred depot]

Too soon

[fathom socket]

it is a pretty dumb steering wheel design

[charred depot]

The software certainly isnt there yet for that to work out

[fathom socket]

not even hypercars have wheels like that

mfw a hypercar is more sensible than a tesla

[remote ridge]

The wheel looks cool but yeah seems uncomfortable

[charred depot]

itd have to have a very high speed rack for city driving

which would make motorway driving horrible

no one wants to have to be that precise in a commuter car

[remote ridge]

Eh, usually I don't need to turn my wheel more than 90 degrees while driving

[charred depot]

UK then

[fathom socket]

Do teslas have electronic steering?

[charred depot]

yeah

[remote ridge]

US of A-holes

[charred depot]

but its still directly mechanically connected afaik

so you cant adjust the speed only the resistance

[fathom socket]

ik BMWs can get like some fancy steering gubbins as an option to make the steering different for different speeds

[charred depot]

theres a bend on my way home that I do more than a full turn

[remote ridge]

Bruh how

I think I only do a full turn when making a u-turn

[fathom socket]

I need to use full turn just to get off my driveway lol

[charred depot]

the camera makes it look longer than it is

[remote ridge]

I figured

[charred depot]

ive hit full lock bumpstop when doing it in the wet

[remote ridge]

I was going to say that looks like a pretty fun turn

Just slide it sideways

[charred depot]

Many T junctions in the UK dont give you much room for manouvre

so you have to turn the wheel fast at a exact point

else you just cut the corner

also miniroundabouts

[remote ridge]

Dang, guess I won't go to the UK unless I get a scooter or bike

[charred depot]

Got me into the habit of palm steering

[fathom socket]

need to get one of those funny steering thingys that truckers get

i swear they're illegal or something like that

seems not

[charred depot]

also reversing with speed on single track roads with that wheel will be aids

sorry mate youll have to reverse I bought a tesla

Still doable but its not making it any easier

[fathom socket]

BuT tHe Ai WiLl Do It

[charred depot]

With how non existent the road surface is here will have to be a pretty smart one heh

road not found

[fathom socket]

The AI will defo not be able to know how to deal with oncoming traffic on country roads

i guess that'd be when the silly meatbag in the driver's seat would have to take over

[charred depot]

I cant wait for people to stick 30mph signs on the back of their cars on 50mph near city roads

[fathom socket]

cant wait lol

just stick one outside your window to cause an accident

I really dislike how the plaid looks like a standard Model S

[charred depot]

I really want BMW to integrate high beam flashing into their self driving when they add it

[serene zephyr]

car

[fathom socket]

you say its a car yet it only has 2 or 3 wheels

curious

[serene zephyr]

2 wheel car 💯💯

[vocal mural]

Oversized Motorcycle

[serene zephyr]

with a supercharged engine in it

[fathom socket]

and the fire's on the inside

[chilly shell]

literally what internal combustion is by definition

[dense shard]

The yoke in a Tesla is nearly as tragic as removing the wiper/signal stalks.

[dense shard]

It's like we're back in the 10s... the 1910s. Were you had to relearn everything to drive a car effectively. Telsa is bringing fragmentation back into fashion. Control stalks which are universal across car brands? nah. Not even a light switch knob. How about a PRNDL gear selector? lol no.

Minimalism shouldn't come at the cost of functionality.

[fathom socket]

smh you cant even get a manual gearbox on a tesla

i refuse to buy until that's an option

[dawn lake]

Lol are you serious?

A manual gearbox in an electric car is pointless

[dawn lake]

maybe for top speed but in normal city driving TQ is king

[civic spoke]

You're parked in a parking lot. And want to reverse. But car just wants to go forward. Because there is nothing in the way.

I hate on-screen buttons. Hate then with a passion.

I don't mind a dial, or anything. I just don't like on-screen buttons for anything.

Especially not if I want to do tasks that should be simple, and only require muscle memory.

[dawn lake]

Learn the new ways

[stoic ledge]

Going through a touchscreen to change gear should not be the future

[stoic ledge]

🤔 Looks like some terrible street design lol

[charred depot]

this is the good bit :^|

[stoic ledge]

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/TXmg5GJV0_E

This looks horrible lol

[fathom socket]

I would rather drive austin allegro than this

[charred depot]

This would be even more incentive for people to drive over miniroundabouts than go around them

[fathom socket]

Issa yoke

A yoke I tell you

[south rampart]

vehicle

[fathom socket]

haha square wheel go brrrrr

[dense shard]

It is actually

You can operate it by feel

That what makes physical hardware controls better. You don't need to look to adjust lights, wipers, or other functions

If it's a touchscreen, you'll be looking

[charred depot]

y tho

[dense shard]

Looks should not come at the price of functionality

Except you can't do things by feel

Changing wiper speed requires a menu

It requires you to take your hand of the wheel

There's something wrong with that thumbnail

Give me the tl;dr

I'm failing to see how it's better than hardware controls

What if the screen breaks

That sounds bad

Why tho

If my screen breaks I can drive my car

I can't tell how fast I'm going

Down a hill it does.

A very very steep hill

You can't use the car at all if a Tesla

[civic spoke]

Tesla don't know how to spell. It's spelled Joke. Not Yoke.

[dense shard]

I can still drive if my screen breakd

Nope

And Linus has been more negative than other outlets

[civic spoke]

That reminds me. I know of someone whose Model S had its screen go all black.

He could still drive. But no screen.

[dense shard]

LMG is not a Tesla safe space

[civic spoke]

Can't remember if it was both the infotainment, as well as the instrument cluster.

[dense shard]

Model S, pre refresh still has hardware controls

Tho the MCU failing would kill the car

[civic spoke]

Yeah. It does. Which is why he could keep driving it normally.

With the new one, then you wouldn't be able to reverse and do some other stuff.

[dense shard]

Seems like it

Tho apparently they have a shifter kind of?

[civic spoke]

On-screen stuff.

[dense shard]

Probably not. Model 3 does not it seems

Why not just have a shifter

[civic spoke]

"Because that's not the future"

[dense shard]

And yet it is

As are turn signal stalks and wiper stalks

Buttons aren't as intuitive

How so

We're talking about cars

[civic spoke]

Capacity buttons are the worst. No feel to them.

[dense shard]

Motorcycles handlebars don't spin 800 degrees

You never take your hands of the bars to turn

[civic spoke]

Saw one of the videos about the guy driving with the yoke wheel. And he accidentally hit the horn.

[dense shard]

How intelligently designed

[civic spoke]

Also, doesn't some super cars have motorcycle like blinkers?

[dense shard]

That requires you to take your hands of to go to full lock

[civic spoke]

Isn't it 900 degrees? That's what I heard.

[dense shard]

Same

[stoic ledge]

Turning it on on a roundabout?

[dense shard]

Also yes

[civic spoke]

Wat

[dense shard]

Wow, rude

[stoic ledge]

Kek

[dense shard]

Sounds like an r/cars member

[stoic ledge]

Where's the mod for such deathtreath?

[dense shard]

Wishing harm on someone is no bueno

And there are situations that turn signals are called for mid turn

Living in a city makes that super obvious

[civic spoke]

You know what I wish upon you guys?
||Ice-cream||

[dense shard]

Fuck yeah bud

Same upon you

[stoic ledge]

🍨

[dense shard]

Anyway roundabouts are a valid reason for turn signal weirdness

[stoic ledge]

I sometimes have 2 corners very close after eachother, basically left-right or right left. You don't have another choice then to indicate mid-turn there.

But also don't forget turning on your indicator while exiting on a roundabout..

[civic spoke]

You don't it on to enter it. Only when exiting.

[dense shard]

And slightly off set streets

[stoic ledge]

A stalk is just way more convenient for such operations

[dense shard]

I do in the US... Just in case

[civic spoke]

I only do it if I'm taking the first right, or the third right.

It's nice being over clear some times.

[stoic ledge]

I also turn in on before entering when turning left or right (not straight), but that's not mandatory (and even forbidden in some countries like Belgium). Signalling before exiting is mandatory (luckily, although not everybody does)

[dense shard]

It's kinda instinctive for me. If I'm turning off the road so to speak, blinker goes on.

[civic spoke]

Also, if it's a roundabout with more than one lanes. Then you can signal if you want to go between the inside, and outside lane.

[dense shard]

This is why
https://c.tenor.com/1OI2pH7c5CwAAAAM/roundabout-traffic.gif

[civic spoke]

That's a fucky gif. But I've seen it before.

[dense shard]

There's a video

Which hurts even more

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/krYuIP8mmag

Apparently the first one in that town?

[dense shard]

Anytime I go through in my Jeep

[civic spoke]

But they made it super clear.

I literally drive a truck for work.

Heaps of steering input. All. The. Time.

[dense shard]

More than 90 and I start questioning the buttons on any steering wheel

[civic spoke]

Getting back in the old Scania again for a while.

[dense shard]

Cause using steering buttons upside down is a pain.

[civic spoke]

Thankfully the splitter was repaired.

That's the problem. I shouldn't have to focus on where my dang indicator is.

[dense shard]

Yep

[civic spoke]

Or else I become the person you hate. The one who don't care about using them in the first place.

If it becomes an inconvenience. Then I legit would stop using them.

And that's coming from a BMW driver that always uses the indicators.

So much so that the stalk has gotten a bit of play in it.

[dense shard]

I don't believe you.

[stoic ledge]

I can get you a dashcam video of that, but I'm too lazy to get it

[dense shard]

A bmw driver indicating?!?

[stoic ledge]

Indicators just need to be on a stalk. Period.

[dense shard]

And wiper controls

Also 4 on the floor is old

All about them 6 speeds

[civic spoke]

Wiper and indicators really do need to be separate controls. Since they should just be muscle memory.

[dense shard]

Had that bite me once

[stoic ledge]

It's always in the same place, you can hit it how and wherever you want to, it'll still go on. You don't need to guess where it is, touch a very specific captive button on a specific place

[dense shard]

Interesting strawman.

But

The closer a shifter is to the wheel the better

Idea is to have both hands on the wheel as much as possible

That's not bad tbh

[civic spoke]

You guys seen the 2CV shifter?

[dense shard]

But not great if you drive a manual

Yea, and I repressed it

My car isn't

[stoic ledge]

Man what would you do if Elon suddenly decided you have to sit backwards in the car in order to drive it?

[dense shard]

Yes, and I own one of them

[stoic ledge]

^ yeah I remember that, more Citroen had it

[civic spoke]

Come to Europe.

And Asia.

[stoic ledge]

Nah, only reverse

[dense shard]

Why move the seat if you can just... Use a back up camera

Or turn your head?

[civic spoke]

I'd show him what a shambles the new Ford's are.

It's sure is a better car in my eyes.

[dense shard]

I'd take the F150 lightning over either

[civic spoke]

The one and only reason for me to ever think about getting a Tesla would be the charging network.

[dense shard]

Pretty much

[civic spoke]

The Cybertruck is also a joke. Look back to when it was announced. How much have they progressed since then?

Not to mention the Roadster V2.

[dense shard]

It's a car for 140k. I can't afford it

If Tesla had a 25k hatchback I'd be interested

But the CT looks inferior to the EV F150

[civic spoke]

And the F150 didn't? Surprising.

F150 Lightning.

[dense shard]

And they'll have to ship the truck out of state to sell it in the state

Ford has a bigger one

[civic spoke]

A big drawback with any EV is just how much the raw cost of batteries is.

[dense shard]

River Rouge is one of the biggest and most storied production facilities in the world.

Wat

[civic spoke]

I wonder what will happen to Tesla in 20-25 years.

What even is English?

You know what would have kicked ass? Tesla just sticking to battery production.

[dense shard]

Making EVs actually affordable!

[civic spoke]

It is. It's just the batteries that are costly.

And the development to start off with.

What's crappy about either?

[dense shard]

i3 is awesome

And Leaf is cheaper

As is the Bolt

What car would that be?

[civic spoke]

Isn't the Leaf one of the best selling EV's?

[dense shard]

Ah, so any car

[stoic ledge]

I love how Tesla sales dropped over 80% here last year

🥲

[dense shard]

In that case damn near anything is better than a Tesla nevermind an EV

[civic spoke]

The thing with EV's is how many incentives you get, and how cheap they are to run.

[civic spoke]

Poor Tesla /s

[dense shard]

Mitsubishi Mirage

[stoic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[civic spoke]

Before or after government incentives?

[dense shard]

Because its potential 10k of the price

35 vs 25k is everything

[stoic ledge]

This year, they're down 75% from that so far 🥲 (comparing numbers from January - May)

[dense shard]

It goes from unaffordable to affordable for me

[civic spoke]

It might literally cut down on 25% of the price. Why shouldn't I care?

ICE cars aren't going to be around forever. So why should I care about them?

[stoic ledge]

Because they go brrrrrrr and that's fun

[dense shard]

So does a tesla

When the bumper falls off

[stoic ledge]

[civic spoke]

I prefer the spacy sounds of the Taycan.

[stoic ledge]

I'm looking forward to the Lucid Air 👀

[civic spoke]

Smh. They literally explode as you move.

Better get yourself a steammobile.

Much safer!

[dense shard]

Don't tempt me

[civic spoke]

That was an actual argument for getting a steam powered automobile back in the day.
"You wouldn't want a car with an engine that literally explodes! Steam is much safer!"

Steam is way worse. By the W. Since you're dealing with a big pressure cooker.

[dense shard]

Yeah, but it's just one big boom vs many booms

Stop being such an ICE shill jeeze. ALL HAIL HORSES

[stoic ledge]

I prefer donkey's

[dense shard]

Not a fan, too much of a kick

[stoic ledge]

Alpacas?

[civic spoke]

Horses don't exist.

[dense shard]

I think he left

[civic spoke]

Good night all.

[stoic ledge]

Oof gg

[charred depot]

Damn did i miss the party

[stoic ledge]

Yup

Looks like he left

Or got banned

[charred depot]

Construction has been going on here since 2020 and I was just doing my usual routine not realising they were finally starting to open up lanes

screw the traffic lights though

[fathom socket]

cries in road construction since I was born

[charred depot]

I dont know how long it takes to repave a roundabout and place some traffic lights

the repaving has been done for ages. Maybe the one person who programs traffic lights in Fife is on holiday and isnt available to make another wack setup

[fathom socket]

There is the express way thag is under construction since I was born and still loathing changed

I remembwr being driven there as a 5-7 year old and driving there now with my own car

Its exactly what I remember

[compact thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUxpCmLr38w
vroomy

[haughty ridge]

That V10 sounds amazing

[fathom socket]

inline 5 for me is good enough

but they seems rare

Inline 6 are more common

[fathom socket]

cool car

[fathom socket]

hmmm

looks like a car that the Z-type from gta is based on

[dense shard]

Bugatti

[fathom socket]

i woke up in a old bugatti

Bugatti Type 57 SC Atlantic?

[dapper cliff]

Being from the nordics i found that whenever LTT or others discuss Teslas they neglect the following.
Norway as an example has the highest Tesla per capita in the world. VW deliver specific Nordic equipment packages to their electric cars to the nordics to appease the market up there.

SO what are you neglecting might you ask.. well, the plaid makes no sense anywhere other than the nordics I will give you that.
However.
A normal vehicle in the nordics(Norway and Denmark especially) are heavily taxed. Electric cars are not.
so for a regular Audi A5 (similar sedan looking car) in a normal spec you pay 119.450 usd.
However the top current model version of the Tesla s can be had for round 95.000 usd.

In an attempt to get the electric car market going, what happened is that a Tesla plaid, with is absurd any where else, is good value in Norway.

I know it is just a 20 million people market, but Norway has sold a lot of Teslas electric vehicles.

I added a link you the tax calculator, feel free to see first hand how this all gets cheap cause its electric.
https://www.skatteetaten.no/person/avgifter/bil/importere/regn-ut/

[stoic ledge]

I like how Tesla sales dropped by 60% last year and 75% again this year in 🇳🇱 (kind of similar taxation rules with gas powered cars being expensive, but not THAT expensive like the A5 you said)

[dapper cliff]

Im danish, so i just found the numbers from the norwegian dealers, in denmark we have the same high taxation on petrol cars, but only remove the vat on electric and hybrids. we dont remove the registration fee you pay to get plates on your car in denmark.
Just chose the norwegian as they emphasise it alot clearer.

[stoic ledge]

[dapper cliff]

But in norway you then also park for free and can drive in bus lanes.

[stoic ledge]

Every fuel type has to pay VAT here, so there's always 21% tax.

But, on petrol or diesel powered cars (or hybrid, PHEV... anything which is nog full-EV) we have to pay BPM, which is bascially an emissionstax. It ranges from like €2k for an Aygo to €6k for a Golf, or €60k for a Mustang V8

[dapper cliff]

with an electric car..

around 47% registration fee on any car in denmark.

[stoic ledge]

So besides not having to pay the emissons tax, + 0€ road tax (which is €600/year for my Corsa, €1300/year for a Golf sized diesel, €3k for a X5), + lower taxation if you use it as a company car (12% vs 22%) EV's have enough benefit imho

[dapper cliff]

With petrol vs electric prices, they are a win in dk as well, but in norway you would have to be a moron to not buy a tesla, an e-golf or a jaguar i-pace..

[stoic ledge]

I did some calculations here recently for a Ford Ranger:

Ranger XLT Double Cab:
- €29750 before taxes
- VAT: €6248
- BPM (emissions tax): €53408
Total: € 89406```

![PogChomp](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/541722967646928907.webp?size=128 "PogChomp")

But yeah in Norway EV is the way to go

Although it's kinda hypocrite, subsidising EV's by selling/retreiving fossil fuels

[dapper cliff]

yes..

70k usd for the base audi A4 apparently

76k for the long range model 3 in dk..

SO who goes and buys the worst A4 model then ?

52k usd in norway.. again why buy anything else then..

[charred depot]

I really hope they dont make tax for petrol cars aids here

[dense shard]

I'd say a Mach E is what I'd get

Not a fan of Tesla culture

[dapper cliff]

with the gerenal wealth of the norwegian population im sure they hardly realised they have the tax 😛

Mach E would make just as much sense in the nordics! cause you would save alot of money anyway.. just EV everything in this region !

[dense shard]

Seems like it, yeah

[fathom socket]

Does the BPM also apply to used sales?

[dapper cliff]

It does in norway and denmark, here its a yearly fee.

https://www.norwegianamerican.com/norway-teslas-biggest-market/
so yeah.. who is the tesla plaid made for ... rich ass norwegians ..

[stoic ledge]

For The Netherlands... Kind of. As cars were more expensive new, they remain more expensive as they get older. Yeah could import a car from another country, but on import you have to pay (a remainder of) the BPM tax on import. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't

Apparently a whopping 4 Model S's have been registered here so far this year in 🇳🇱

[dapper cliff]

4 ? in all of the Netherlands ?

[stoic ledge]

Of the Model S this year, yes

[dapper cliff]

https://teslastats.no
norway had 1439 this month.

[stoic ledge]

Model 3 going from best selling car in 2019 to... #quiteabitdown

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

Market share wise... They've gone down quite a bit as well

The best selling EV now here is the Volvo XC40 P8 iirc

Followed by the e-Niro and the Kona-e

[stoic ledge]

Ok yeah they dropped from #1 to #82

[dapper cliff]

That be Audi e-tron in norway, cause you know norwegians cant be seen in some chepo cars..

[stoic ledge]

[dapper cliff]

Ties right back to who is the plaid for..

[stoic ledge]

E-Tron sold when it just came out because those few people just wanted the Audi electic SUV, after that sales dropped

176 E-Tron's this year, 45 E-Tron GT's

214 Taycan's

So more Taycan's than E-Tron's

[dapper cliff]

Not by a small margin either..

[stoic ledge]

[dapper cliff]

https://www.tv2.no/a/11755730/
They already reached 1000 of those sold in norway..

Gotta use those oil funds to buy something 😛

and the fish money ..

[stoic ledge]

ID.3's they registered a 💩 load of them here in December 2020 (like 8000 in a month)... Over 2000 of those still haven't been sold by now and are still parked at dealerships, they only registered 197 ID.3's so far this year

🥲

[dapper cliff]

Those have been kept back by vw though, due to software issues.. that they still have.

[stoic ledge]

No these are all actively for sale, with the software "fixed" according to VW

They just sell really slow, they had an inital run (as is with basically every EV here), and after that sales just dropped for the ID.3

[dapper cliff]

I have the last of the e-golfs. and they offered me to swap to the id.3.. NOOOOO! to that..

[stoic ledge]

E-Golf 👀

[dapper cliff]

Just picked one of those up from the dealer cause its cheaper with a hybrid in dk than an old passat..

[stoic ledge]

Seat: Let's make Cupra a separate brand
Cupra: Let's take a Leon and slap some bronze accents on it

[dapper cliff]

and strap the undercariage from the a4 on 😛

And lets make sure we give it stupid stuff nobody needs!

[stoic ledge]

Did they? 🤔

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes, the Tribal Tattoo logo literally nobody understands

[dapper cliff]

Yes, its the adaptive suspension platform developed for the A4.

and the drive line from the GTE golf

so lets just throw some stuff in here and call it a race model seems to be the strategy here 😛

But to their credit, it rides reeeally well 🙂

[stoic ledge]

Horrible infotainment system tho

[dapper cliff]

yes!

they have alot to fix there.. but i use car play, so could not really care less about it 😛

[stoic ledge]

Haven't driven a Cupra Leon yet (a probably won't drive it ever) so not going to judge it on that 😛 (driving capabilities I mean by that)

[dapper cliff]

no you are definately right.. alot of wierd little bugs..

[stoic ledge]

But I have used the infotainment system in a few new VAG products

It's horrendous

[dapper cliff]

utter crap

[stoic ledge]

continues to use AUX and MP3 CD's as infotainment

[dapper cliff]

carplay FTW!

[stoic ledge]

Yeah my 2012 Corsa doesn't have that

• Android > all

🙃

[dapper cliff]

cupra has android auto implemented, and that works flawlessly in there 🙂

(i run one android and one ios phone, and 4 sim card.. will loose my mind soon.. )

[stoic ledge]

Lol xD

Too bad you still need to go 3 menu's deep to turn of stuff like lane departure warning every single trip and such

[dapper cliff]

no thats right in the main thing in the cupra thanksfully!

2 successive clicks on the left handle thingy.

[stoic ledge]

Ah ok, in the VW one you have to go in to multiple menus and they you get that stupid imagine of a car driving with some random functions scattered around on the image

[dapper cliff]

yes the e-golf has that issue..

also, both have seperate key profiles, but none remembers reqoup or assistant settings..

[stoic ledge]

[dapper cliff]

why have key profile if they only change the radio chanel ?!?!

[stoic ledge]

Nice

Key profiles in my car change almost nothing, mostly stuff like follow me home lights, auto rear wiper and stuff like that

But I'm the only one who drives it so wouldn't bother me anyways

[dapper cliff]

in my old audi it set the seats, and i really loved that.. but my new cars are manually actuated seats.. sooooooo..

[stoic ledge]

Same, manual seats

But that's easy, just y33t is to the furthest position back xD

[dapper cliff]

still VW.. get it fixed..

[stoic ledge]

Apparently no Cupra Leon has been sold here yet

Only the Formentor

[dapper cliff]

They only just started arriving in denmark.

[stoic ledge]

A massive 17 Formentors to be exact

16*

3 in 2020, 13 in 2021

[dapper cliff]

what are people in the netherlands even driving ?=

[stoic ledge]

Mostly whatever is the most interesting as a company car

[dapper cliff]

passat gte it is ?

[stoic ledge]

~20% of new sold cars are owned by private owners, all others are company cars in some form of way

PHEV's were selling well a few years ago, but not anymore

2013-2016 mostly

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, Golf/Passat GTE, V60 D6, stuff like that

[dapper cliff]

if you have a company car in denmark or norway you get taxed unfairly for it, as its an "advantage" to you job.

The "cheap" thing to do here is to get a loan from your company for the car with minimal interest.. and compensate with a slightly higher payroll.,

[stoic ledge]

You get also get taxed here, but it's added to your pay in some way and then it gets reducted from the pay before taxes, so it's cheaper as getting it yourself

Top 10 so far this year

[dapper cliff]

looks like a sad list 😦

[stoic ledge]

Last year

Mostly smaller cars as that's the only thing that's affordable

Smaller cars or larger EVs

Also often higher trims but low engine specs

[dapper cliff]

due to taxation ?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[dapper cliff]

I wish someone from the ltt staff could weigh in with how the taxation applies to that taycan they tested.

i dont know the premise for hos they said the price related to the performance..

As i said, in norway its actually a "good" value propersition ..

[stoic ledge]

I think the Taycan is the cheapest Porsche you can get here

€89k, ok not the cheapest as the 718 can be had from €87.5k 👀

[dapper cliff]

you can always get a boxster 😛

[stoic ledge]

Ah no Boxter is €100 more than the Taycan

The Cayman is €1.5k less 😛

[dapper cliff]

That is some sort of funny though 😛

[stoic ledge]

You know what else is funny? A Land Rover Defender 110 base price is €20k less than the Defender 90

🥲

[dapper cliff]

We dont really trust those up here 😛

[stoic ledge]

Nope

[kindred forum]

lol imagine buying cars for more than $100

[night acorn]

now this is a car

[wispy cloak]

I saw one of those drifting at the Freedom Factory drift night

[civic girder]

tbh I don't dislike those Taurus

especially the wagons

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zuULvE9oAg

[wispy cloak]

Yeah they ugly but it was hilarious to see drifting

[civic girder]

I don't think they're ugly tbh

curious to see one drift tho since they're fwd

[wispy cloak]

I might have video

Let me check

Nope

Sad

[night acorn]

I got a video of one doing a burnout

[night acorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pit-VIHLZN8

its an early 4th gen tho

2002 most likely

so it would have a durraTec 3.0 liter I'm pretty sure

I own an 04 and it is really fun especially considering the fact it still runs as well as it does

[loud jewel]

California banned the 992 911 gt3 6 speed manual cause it’s to loud 😂🤡

[wispy cloak]

They did some serious stuff to that Taurus

I think it was turboed so probably not the factory engine

[night acorn]

the one in the video is stock its just using an e brake the drift one is probally the 1jz swapped rwd taurus I wanna do a 5.0 rwd drag setup on my eventually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zFNxWooRv8&t=93s

you don't see many making actually power most of em if they are modded are just riced out

I really wanna get a 96-99 sable and do something with it

[stoic ledge]

What's even the point of this VW?

Did it replace the Tiguan? Looks similar sized, but just made of crappier materials?

Also the wheel/body proportion makes it look like some Chinese budget car

[low carbon]

its a seat ateca

the american tiguan is the allspace, so they conjured up a vw ateca which as you know is basically a tiguan

made from shittier materials because america

[stoic ledge]

The US also had the Tiguan iirc, both the Tiguan and the Tiguan Allspace

Interior looks more pulled out of a T-Cross I'd say? But yeah that's also a massive downgrade from the Tiguan

Which also kind of makes sense as the Ateca, Karoq, T-Roc and now the Taos are both on the A1 platform, whereas the Tiguan (Allspace) is on the A2 platform

So it's basically a T-Roc sized like a Tiguan

[low carbon]

they had the old tiguan selling for a year or two

not both the new ones

yeah they called it the tiguan limited

interior is your typical vw mishmash

centre console is same as tiguan but new dash layout similar to the facelift seat arona

[charred depot]

fisheye intensifies

[molten blaze]

this car is my dream as a late 90s-early 00s car lover

[fathom socket]

why I thought that was fiat brava?

[charred depot]

I thought it was a fiat aswell heh

[fathom socket]

it's Fiat Marea

but it looks like brava

[charred depot]

oh it is a fiat, thats sorta disappointing

[fathom socket]

but If I would be honest

The 2 fiats I like is the Fiat tempra and the Fiat coupe

but I've seen tempra, and it was just Christmas lights inside

[charred depot]

love the front of the coupe, back is a bit eh.

[fathom socket]

everything was broken

I agree with the back

but it's still a nice looking car

get the inline 5

[molten blaze]

it is the brava sedan

aka marea

[fathom socket]

oh

[eager grove]

The American Tiguan even the 5 seater is sized like a Tiguan all space in the UK, yeah

A Tiguan sized T-Roc is about the size of it, I think. Good cargo space, slow but efficient engine, crappier materials, but good features. Like a CRV but less reliable. Not sure how it’ll sell in the US

I feel like when Americans want that, they go Japanese

[molten blaze]

yes it is like that in brazil

[eager grove]

Varies market to market- I think the bigger ones are made in Mexico

[molten blaze]

yes

it is where the brazillian tiguan is made too

[stoic ledge]

The Tiguan they sell now is what we know as the Tiguan Allspace, yes (but cheaper built).

But they don't sell the "normal" Tiguan as we know it, but the Taos which is Tiguan-sized T-Roc kind off

[charred depot]

I had a friend who is slightly more qualified than me look at the exhaust and he was like yeah nah thats not passing

managed to get a new rear silencer for £50 though

I also didnt like the fact it sounded like a lawnmower

[dense shard]

The Taco will place below the Tiguman in the VW line up.

Weird considering VW doesn't really need an entry level product. Jetta is cheap as it stands

[stoic ledge]

Just find it weird they don't offer the regular Tiguan as a Tiguan under the Tiguan Allspace in the US 😛

Especially with the price difference, Taos starting from 22.995 USD vs 25245 USD for the Tiguan Allspace in the US... I'd say the Taos isn't worth it?

Between SE's, the difference is just 150 USD?

SEL 1055 USD?

The Tiguan seems like a better purchase, having a more upscale platform + interior

Not forgetting the bigger engine

[fathom socket]

Holy

Nice

[civic spoke]

I want to drive this. https://www.blocket.se/annons/skane/volvo_fh650_lastvaxlare_6x2_euro_6_lagmil/95520558

[fathom socket]

i just wanna get into a bmw

[civic spoke]

I already got one. Hah

[fathom socket]

pic

https://www.plazabmw.com/new/BMW/2021-BMW-M340i-in-Creve-Coeur-dca77dfa0a0e09b1629d9cbe2e59725c.htm too darn expencive

but really fun looking

[fathom socket]

oh old

[charred depot]

old ones bettr

[fathom socket]

yea

i like the newish ones

[civic spoke]

And what I'm currently driving for work.

[fathom socket]

bri'ish

[charred depot]

nop

[civic spoke]

Mah. Swedish

[fathom socket]

lmao

[civic spoke]

Truck is a manual. Thank lord that the split was fixed.

[low carbon]

Love matrix headlights

[charred depot]

chad 2 meters vision oh...

[low carbon]

What is your beam angle bruh

At least the light is a nice temp

[steel patrol]

@tawdry summit what a noob since when were u in here??

[tawdry summit]

while ago

[steel patrol]

oh

[hard panther]

cars

the movie

[deft cedar]

So basicly

Im playing car mechanic sim

and I have a RX-7

But what

else

do I fix

[dense shard]

LS swap it

[deft cedar]

cant

[strong plume]

don't most of the car mechanic sims give you a list of tasks that need to be fixed?

[fathom socket]

Oh gosh

I did look at the prices for my mom's first gen yaris

And the parts are like 2-3 times more expensive used than for my first gen focus

[deft cedar]

Shit It Is What It Is

[fathom socket]

reminds me of the mini with its broken/misaligned level adjust lol

[sterile vine]

broom broom

[charred depot]

Bruh the honda
Has ABS light on for months

installs jumper for ABS diagnostics
ABS light goes off and doesent come back on

guess I fixed it!!!

[prisma cypress]

That’s how it is with the srs light in my rsx. just unplug it and plug it back in once in a while and the light will go off

[main tulip]

I just took the ABS bulb out of my car lol

got tired of it and I don't plan to fix it. Not much ice here in texas anyway

couldn't even fix it if I wanted to most likely, the parts are long gone

[copper salmon]

My justy people are like how did you get one

But hey im thinking of putting a boxer in it

But i know nothing

[wispy cloak]

Oh boy there might be hail tonight

My truck is outside

My truck only has liability insurance on it right now

[dark bane]

im looking for a first car rn. How much should i be paying for an rx7 in usd. No problems with the car but can have an ok paint job like a bit of paint fade etc.

help is greatly appreciated ☺️

[deft cedar]

Hmmmm

Buy a OBD2 scannner

Scan it

If it has problems ask for the reason

And check for any curves

In the bodywork

Like unlogical curved

And if it is

It might have been In a accident

Ask for a inspection sheet

Check if the paint is original

After your done go and service the car

Get a oil change

See if the engine runs smooth

Change the tires

Yeah

Any other problems dm me

I'm almost 24/7 up

[fathom socket]

$h!t car

https://youtu.be/kZyIuPKFYKc

So stupid

[fathom socket]

My car overheated

Went to red when driving on highway

Out of nowhere, I have full coolant and oil

At speeds under 89 kmh does not overheat

[frank steeple]

i wanna be here

[charred depot]

MPG intensifies

[pearl tiger]

moneypits

[fathom socket]

sussy

woah what if you covered your engine with cow dung?

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758755346033410068/855867323017854996/P_20210619_134947.jpg

[dense scarab]

i thought a chunk was missing for a second there

[civic girder]

bro literally everyone is saying that lmao

[charred depot]

all our cars have been taken by rust before we are blessed with needing the clutch replaced on FWD cars

[molten blaze]

no

our cars have been taken by unpleaseant regulations

[charred depot]

wot

[molten blaze]

cars were outright original in the late 90s-early 00s

everyone was trying something new and cool with design and functions

[charred depot]

well a bit unrelated but ok

[molten blaze]

now everything is futuristic,ready for eletricity,needs to attend a hella lot of regulations to even get to work,turbo lowsized engines which will be painful to repair in the future,also the cars are becoming more and more forgettable

[flint sable]

Cool air channel system to keep the brakes cool (2002 boxster)

[charred depot]

where rust

I think last time I checked a 2002 boxster costed me as much to insure as a 2002 1.6 civic

cool attainable cars but I need more storage space

[dense shard]

I think the 90s were some of the most forgettable cars ever made. Especially GM and Ford. I would say Chrysler, but those didn't survive warranty in the winter.

I'd say the newest batch of compact cars are very memorable. Toyota and Mazda design language is actually interesting. Honda got boring again, but ultra functional, Nissan and the Korean twins pushing what luxury means at a budget.

[deft cedar]

Just finished a model

[dense shard]

That looks wonderful.

Are you gonna put it in a diorama?

[deft cedar]

Yeah

The plot is a rich guy bought this and left it to rot

[molten blaze]

For you americans

For me in Brazil it was the craziest

Remember we didn't had imports from 1976 to 1990

And when imports came back with the Real Plan in 1994 with a 1:1 parity of prices within dollar and real which attracted a lot of car manufacturers

[dense shard]

Can't speak for Brazil, but right now is a golden age for cars.

[molten blaze]

Yes

I wish mazda was still here

[dense shard]

A Corolla makes 170 horsepower, is styled as it is, and offers all the goodies BMW charges you for now.

Civic can get up to 180, Mazda around the same in the US.

[molten blaze]

They make I guess the most beautiful cars I've seen since I saw a 80s Lambo

[molten blaze]

In brazil it is the most sold sedan here,but it's starting to overlap with the more basic trim lines of the Big 3 Luxury brands(Audi,Mercedes and BMW).

Overlapping with cars like the A3 Sedan,the C180 and the 320i

[charred depot]

I think we all know what the better car is here

[fathom socket]

so if coolant goes bad

the boiling temp goes down a lot I guess

[zinc bolt]

indeed, depending on pressure

opinion wanted above or below the moulding.

[molten blaze]

good car

[molten blaze]

ye the subaru

[charred depot]

Nah the mitsubishi colt to the right ofcourse.

[fathom socket]

oh i was gonna say the ford fiesta/focus

which may or may not be blue

[loud jewel]

I just saw a pulsar gti with the stock hood replaced with a normal hood

[fathom socket]

There's one car that is unforgettable however.

And it's this.

The style was so controversial, but I personally love it.

[dense shard]

No doubt there

[south jewel]

Anyone else watching the French Grand Prix right now?

[stoic ledge]

Yes, at work 👌

[south jewel]

I won't get called in to work for a few hours, got up early to watch. Not a track I like, but always happy to see one live

[stoic ledge]

Well it's almost 4PM here so same time zone as the where the race is 😎

[south jewel]

It's only 7 in the morning here

[pearl tiger]

almost 16.00 here

[stoic ledge]

[south jewel]

I'm in Vancouver

[stoic ledge]

🇳🇱

[south jewel]

...cheering for Max? 😉

[pearl tiger]

super max 😄

[stoic ledge]

Basically mandatory lol

[south jewel]

I get that

I'm enjoying there actually being a battle this year for a change

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[south jewel]

Didn't like Max when he was a new driver, but he's matured so much. Really enjoy him now.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah he's doing fine

[south jewel]

I like seeing Red Bull apparently not getting pwned on strategy

[stoic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[south jewel]

[stoic ledge]

Max is gaining again, at this pace he might have a chance

[south jewel]

Yea, I think the three TWO stop was a good choice...combined with Perez going long

[stoic ledge]

It has been an enjoyable race so far

[south jewel]

Yea, much better than the last time at this track

[stoic ledge]

Oof the differences per lap between Hamilton and Max are quite large

[south jewel]

yes... but getting teh pass isn't going to be easy

I think Merc will two-stop Bottas but leave Hamilton out

[stoic ledge]

Likely

I think they want to finish Hamilton without a second stop

Will be some exciting final laps

[south jewel]

NICE

[stoic ledge]

Damn nice pass

[south jewel]

Love seeing them wheel to wheel for a bit there

[stoic ledge]

Yeah they where side by side for quite some time

[south jewel]

I threw a vote at Ricciardo for Driver of the Day\

There goes Bot

Yes, Stroll into the points!

FUCK YEA

[stoic ledge]

Nice, Max #1

😎

Voted for Max

[south jewel]

He did drive a good race

that first lap was the only mistake really

[stoic ledge]

Yeah true

[south jewel]

That was a good race

[stoic ledge]

But his 3 -> 2 pass was the decider for me

Yeah good race

[south jewel]

Yea, that was a smooth pass. Honestly he took Hamilton more easily than I expected as well. An excellent drive

[stoic ledge]

Yeah same xD

Was watching with a colleague, we expected he'd put up a fight

[fathom socket]

Ok here is A thing

1.9 tdi is THE best engine on this planet

[civic spoke]

I disagree.

[fathom socket]

bruh

[dense shard]

lol no

[fathom socket]

no

[civic girder]

that's a hot take if I ever saw one

[strange gale]

Best like cheap long distance commuter engine, eh yeah I’d go with that. Best overall, nah.

[dense shard]

cheap long distance commuter engine? 2ZR out of a Corolla.

[civic girder]

7A-FE, if it had its oil changes done

and has had timing belts replaced on time

[static canopy]

I'm gonna be basic and say 2jz-ge

[cunning plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-linus-ltt-ltt-store-linus-sebastian-linus-gabriel-sebastian-gif-22035423

My LTT Porsche GIF got accepted

You can find it by typing ltt/ltt porsche in GIF

[molten blaze]

we need a battle like senna x prost in the 90s

[charred depot]

Honda D16 clearly best engine

[molten blaze]

vtec?

[stoic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/vtec-vtak-honda-civic-eg6-gif-10381955

[charred depot]

vtec is a good oil level sensor. EML comes on from vtec error? low oil.

[eager grove]

Do we think that's Linus' new house in that gif/video?

[molten blaze]

no

[wooden cargo]

My two girls

[charred depot]

its no diagonal parking spaces :^)

my two fine automobiles

total value: £2100

Might be able to get more for the mazda 2 with young people getting their loicenses and things going back

[wooden cargo]

Sorry officer better give me a ticket

[fathom socket]

Is that a GR YARIS!?

[wooden cargo]

Yes sir

[fathom socket]

OH MAN! wish they had those here in the states! I drive an Abarth 500 [American 500 Abarth is more similar to the euro 595 tho]

[cobalt furnace]

Should I buy a car or just spend it in on a bike cos I live in london

[molten blaze]

omg

i want the saab

[molten blaze]

bike because europe became too much car unfriendly

[cobalt furnace]

True

[molten blaze]

europe is killing cars

i will not drive electric cars

gimme my fiat marea with its 2,4l fivetech engine

[wooden cargo]

@fathom socket I drove the competizione with 180bhp ages ago

Fun car

The GR is completely different if I’m honest

If anything my black 400bhp Seat is closer to the Abarth really

Just spins tyre everywhere

[fathom socket]

my abarth is about 165 BHP, the american stock abarths are a little faster than their euro counterpart, i think they euro ones are 135 stock. Regardless, it's an amazing car and ill probably never love another car as much as my Abarth

[molten blaze]

i love cars that are confortable

and still have fuel

[wooden cargo]

Both my cars have fuel and are comfy

[fathom socket]

my car loves premium octane fuel and the suspension feels like it's made form Gravel

[wooden cargo]

I have suspension modes in the Cupra

The Yaris is firm but forgiving

[cobalt furnace]

A nice bike is really worth it in London if it don't get stolen

I know so one who got stabbed for his bike

Road an are sooooo stupid

[charred depot]

Mazda 2's suspension is rock solid and has little tyre sidewall

[cobalt furnace]

Is anyone here in America

[fathom socket]

unfortunately

[twilit wedge]

Saw this a few dats ago

[fathom socket]

unrelated, love the artstyle of your Profile picture. Hondas are reliable as hell ^-^

[drowsy surge]

thanks, and yes that’s why i wanted a civic, only 60k miles so i’m hoping to keep it for a while

[fathom socket]

certainly more reliable than my abarth! ^-^

[south jewel]

It kinda has that feel about it. Two great drivers. Both with great cars, teams and teammates...and in a season right before major changes. This is a great season so far.

[stiff burrow]

Pretty good for a full size suv

Car is a 2021 GMC Yukon XL with the Diesel engine

[charred depot]

yikers 23 diesel mpgs

[fathom socket]

27.3 MPG U.S. 😎

[flint sable]

10 mpg 😎😎

[stoic ledge]

23.1 MPG US = 27.7 MPG UK, if you forgot to convert it

[charred depot]

would expect better from a deesel

[stoic ledge]

It's not bad for a Yukon XL lol

[charred depot]

If I had 10 US mpg it would cost me £35 ($49) to go to uni and back

[stoic ledge]

That'd be 4.2km/l... So on a roundtrip to uni that'd be almost 18 liters... * €1.76 (regular) or €1.89 (premium) atm that's €32 ($38 USD) or €35 ($40.5 USD)

That's a roundtrip of 45 miles

[charred depot]

65 £1.30/l :^)

[stoic ledge]

"only" £1.30/l

🥲

[charred depot]

If I took my saab to work on my old pay my first two hours would be moot

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

Despite having 2 cars when I start working again on monday ill be hitching a ride

My pay wasnt even that bad considering I was 17 at the time.

[stoic ledge]

Roundtrip to work for me is basically 1 liter of fuel, but with LPG that's like <€0.50

So that's not too bad

[charred depot]

every journey I make is usually 60-70 miles roundtrip :^(

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

its like 15p a mile in the mazda 2 and 20p a mile in the saab.

Ive never tried hypermiling or driving with fuel in mind though

[stoic ledge]

Latest refueling was 42.1c/liter (LPG), so 3.4c/km = 5.5c/mile = 4.7p/mile

Ofc no hypermiling, that was a quite inefficient tank xD

[charred depot]

Do you get about the same mpg on LPG as you do petrol

[stoic ledge]

That was a whopping 35MPG UK

No LPG uses ~15-20% more

[charred depot]

A LPG conversion would probably be good in the saab but its probably not something I can legally install myself.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah no you can't so that yourself

Many Saabs do run great on LPG tho

Your Mazda not so much

[charred depot]

Apparently you can do it here legally

[stoic ledge]

They sold Mazda 2 Bi-Fuel's here, and although it was "factory" it wasn't, it was installed somewhere in Belgium.

But those engines can't take LPG well, requires a head rebuild every 60k miles (and probably way sooner)

[stoic ledge]

You can do here as well but then you can't get an LPG-G3 certification, idk how that is in the UK

[charred depot]

apparently the certificate here is just something insurance companies can be stingy over

but you can pay to get your installation examined for like £50

[stoic ledge]

It's also for tax purposes here, LPG is taxed twice as high as LPG-G3

And my LPG-G3 Corsa is already €660/Year in tax

🥲

[charred depot]

the saab is so old its just taxed based on the size of the engine not the emissions

pre 2001 be like that

[stoic ledge]

Everything here is taxed based on weight and fuel type

But there's a distinguishing between LPG and LPG-G3 as fuel type

[charred depot]

We have different tax systems based on when the car was made

different pre 2001, 2001 - 2017 and 2017 - now.

[stoic ledge]

Ah no a brand petrol new car of 1200kg has the same road tax as a 30 year old 1200kg petrol car here

Hmm yeah my Corsa as LPG would be €1176/year vs the mere ( 🥲 ) €684 I pay now

So a nearly €500/year difference in tax... So a professional install with G3 certificate is an investment you get back quite quickly

(although mine came with it from the factory so ez pz)

[charred depot]

itd be 52p /l LPG vs £1.30/l petrol so If i was doing 10,000 miles a year in the saab it would make sense to pay for someone to convert it

A conversion will be like £1200

cars value £450

If the car was newer id grudge it less, just have to factor in the cars at the age where its life is questionable.

Im suprised they dont have government schemes for lpg conversions :/

[fathom socket]

laughs in no car taxes

But the insurance is expensive compared to the income at least for me

[stiff burrow]

its a 6000 lb car lol

you can get a 6.2l gas v8 with 16 mpg US combined

[stoic ledge]

Probably still cheaper in gas than a shitbox here

[stiff burrow]

Probably

[burnt geode]

not a car meme but figured this would be the best channel to post this in

[river carbon]

O

[charred depot]

Shipping an exhaust in a plastic bag with random sheets of cardboard 🧠

I just broke the end of the bag open because I knew it would be damaged shipped like this. Will probably still be fine / bendable back but smh

[river carbon]

That sucks

You should be able to fix it though

[vocal mural]

Netherlands?

[stoic ledge]

Ja

[fathom socket]

My radiator is gone I think

I touch the fins and they disintegrate

and the bottom is cold

[molten blaze]

any problem loving wagons?

https://cdn.autopapo.com.br/carro/fiat/marea-weekend-turbo-20-20v-2007/frente-v2.jpg

i like this one a lot

[prime scroll]

mazda 6 wagon is eh

[tight cypress]

looks like a volvo

lol

[prime scroll]

one thing mazda does is still putting manuals, +1

[gusty ridge]

that red legacy

[charred depot]

Wot

[river carbon]

Depends on the wagon. I like this one

Was a good car

[molten blaze]

my gosh that's cool

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SSPoltq9g6E/W45FrajTmpI/AAAAAAAAJXw/ZQb840SALcU3XuId6JDM72HhHrHAh-7mwCLcBGAs/s1600/Novo-Toyota-Corolla-TOuring%2B%25281%2529.jpg

i like the corolla touring sports

[river carbon]

It was fun. Good power, my dad ultimately got rid of it because he likes the LR Defender more and needed something more practical/less nice

[river carbon]

Looks good!

To me a wagon needs to be fairly muscular and the back needs to slope a fair bit

Like the e36 wagon looks horrible

Along with the panamera wagon

[molten blaze]

yes

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/47261842642-eff35977eb-6k-1598887408.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*

this looks gross tho

even for me who likes exotic looking cars

[prime scroll]

sort of taking the idea of a land rover defender 130, some extra space at the back

works for LR, not a wagon tho

[molten blaze]

it is a buick roadmaster/olds vista cruiser from the early 90s

[river carbon]

Do get they are really good (110)

Mixed up 110 and 130

130 I think is planned though

[prime scroll]

yup, apparently

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/luxury-defender-130-model-crown-line

8 seater would be cool ngl

[crisp hinge]

guys whats the fastest 0-60 production vehicle in the world

and is tesla roadster redesign released or no

[vocal mural]

Valtra T234

[dense shard]

Not released

[river carbon]

Rimac Nevera 1.7-1.8 0-100kmh

On rod

Not on prepped drag strip with special tires

Just stock on a road

Unlike a Tesla Model S plaid

[fathom socket]

Think y'all would appreciate this. 😎

[vocal mural]

Valtra is faster

[river carbon]

Its a tractor

[night acorn]

hell no my dream car is a wagon

[bitter compass]

Well a fiat 500 is basically a ball so yeah i agree

[fathom socket]

as a driver of one, i agree xD

[charred depot]

might as well have not touched it in the first place

[pulsar silo]

So my latest obsession is a Superlite SLC

[flint sable]

😐