cars

[low carbon]

in other news, my local bmw dealer has the new m3

they got their demo in black because it's the 'least offensive' no joke

[split notch]

Idk there is some pretty offensive colours out there

Like that horrid Nardo grey

[low carbon]

any colour on the m3 that is't black is offensive because of that grill lol

[split notch]

Lmao

Theres no current car that really springs out at me

Maybe the FK8 type r

But thats it

[fathom socket]

Electric gearless>Automatic>paddle>manual

[split notch]

Nah, manuals beast

Everything else is just easy mode

[fathom socket]

Nah

[split notch]

Yes

The only people that hate manuals are Americans and those without driving licenses

Both can neither drive manual

[fathom socket]

Im not American

[split notch]

Do you have a driving license?

[fathom socket]

I would if I was old enough , I'm 16 but it's 18 in my country , I can drive tho , I drive regularly on private road

[split notch]

So see the second part of what I said then

[fathom socket]

Even if I had a lisence I'm not gonna drive manual

[split notch]

Yeah but you still fit into the bracket 🤷‍♂️

[fathom socket]

My dad has a lisence and he drives automatic

He does not

My dad also drives automatic. After 40+ yrs of driving manual. I also drive manual

[split notch]

This wasnt a point on driving automatics or not

It was on hating manuals

[fathom socket]

Nobody hates manuals

I don't hate them

Manuals are great for various reasons. Like total control 😄

I just say automatic and paddle is better

[split notch]

My automatic > your automatic

[fathom socket]

Hm?

Tesla>ur automatic

[fathom socket]

"better" is a misleading term. Theyre different and easier to daily drive with, but worse if u want to have control over the gear shifting

[split notch]

I dont think a Tesla is better than a Jackal

[fathom socket]

What about paddle

How many times have I driven an automatic only to maually switch gears down because I disagree with the board computer to when shift

[split notch]

The tesla cant survive an IED strike

Or go up 60% gradients with ease

[fathom socket]

Jackal can't accelerate in sub 3 seconds

[fathom socket]

The Cybertruck may. Ablative Chassis ^^

Best offroader is the sherp

[split notch]

The Tesla can do that a maximum of 3 times before the battery gets fucked lmao

So we'll do 4, and then you can limp your little streetcar home

[fathom socket]

Sherp is da best

Change my mind

How much did that Russian thing cost again?

60k

[limpid pine]

@split notch how many times have you needed to survive an IED

[split notch]

Twice.

[limpid pine]

or go up 60% gradients with ease?

[split notch]

Once in a Jackal 2, once in a Mastiff

[fathom socket]

Haha true

[fathom socket]

I just checked. It starts at 120k regarding to gearjunkie

[split notch]

And in my job, offroading is a major part of the work

[limpid pine]

Oh so you're in the military?

[split notch]

Yes

[limpid pine]

I thought it was just some vehicle for personal use

[split notch]

That is my actual wagon, not a stock image

[fathom socket]

Wat

How?

If I were in the military, idk if I would go for a french CRAB or the Russian Typhoon vdv k-4386. Most likely the 2nd

[split notch]

Because its signed over to me and I do most of the maint on it and I drive it

[fathom socket]

I would go for this

The french CRAB looks like a fun vehicle. An infantry support and scout "tank" 3seater turned into a Smart

[split notch]

Closed top vehicles are bad for surviving mine/IEDs. You'll break your neck on the roof

[split notch]

Thats essentially what a Jackal is

[fathom socket]

its not a electric tesla

[split notch]

No, but a Jackal is an IRL warthog

[fathom socket]

I wanted to go to the military, but the military didn't want me.

Oof

Sed

Even more sad that its the German Bundeswehr, which doesn't have conscription and does have lack of personell

I am confused

[split notch]

Dodged a bullet there, thouhh

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-10952763

This tank looks cool

The polish PL2?

[split notch]

Its a T72 with a bodykit lmao

[fathom socket]

It looks so sleek lmao

There was a german-polish MBT project with passive stealth in mind called PL02

[split notch]

Yeah, IR panels

We had a similar concept

[fathom socket]

I wanna fly an f35 lmao

I can't tho , I'm not even a pilot

https://tenor.com/view/f35vtol-f35-fighter-jet-f35jet-plane-vtol-gif-19378653

[split notch]

Kinda straying from cars now though

hey is that a Yak141?

[fathom socket]

No that's a f35

I mean its kinda a copy

[fathom socket]

Heh... I would love to fly an Aegis Gladius IRL.
(Spaceship out of StarCitizen)

[fathom socket]

Controversially

[fathom socket]

Oh lol

[fathom socket]

I would love to fly a starship

[split notch]

Theres no controversy, Lockheed Martin bought the Yak141 lmao

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/spacex-starship-starship-sn8-sn8-rocket-gif-19509098

[fathom socket]

Oh lol

Im dumb ig

[split notch]

All that data went to the JSF programme that became the F35 lmao

[fathom socket]

Lol

[fathom socket]

Starship go kaboom

[fathom socket]

The 3rd technically landed.
And was the 1st SN prototype to fly twice.

[fathom socket]

Hmm

But

Sn11 failed

But they can afford it. They earn sufficient money and the SN prototypes after all are just some giant steel cylinders with engines and flaps.

I don't get why it doesn't land , I mean they have landed so many falcon 9s , I get it starship is bigger

Theres a reason they have 5+ SN prototypes in assembly simultanously

Ik but isn't that wasteful

Even environmentally

Its all about collecting data.
First, to identify technical failures.
Second, to identify values for flight.

Hmm

I hope sn15 orbits and lands

[fathom socket]

How do u mean? Apart of the fuel, nothing is gone. And fuel isnt that big of a deal

Ig

The enviromental footprint of a Falcon9 launch is about as high as that of a Boeing 777 transatlantic flight. And those happened (before Corona) several hundred times per day.

[fathom socket]

Yes

[split notch]

Anyway cars

[fathom socket]

Falcon9 launches twice a week.

[fathom socket]

Starman

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-space-suit-starman-on-my-way-omw-gif-11017839

[silk island]

This pinned message for this chat group triggers me as it attacks my 4 cylinder haha

some 4 bangers are cool ok 😆

[civic spoke]

I mean. 4 pots are so boring because they are so plentiful these days.

Found in anything and everything.

Producing anything from 70 hp. Up to 400+ hp.

[split notch]

SR20s tho

[civic spoke]

High revving 4 bangers are nice.

[dense shard]

It's not the cylinder count that makes a car boring.

The Crown Vic was hella boring despite having 8.

As for starship. I love people have attacked NASA for cancelling a test early, ignore the fact NASA was able to retest it all within a few weeks... but SpaceX failing consistently to land something is fine.

[hollow trellis]

well V6s....

[civic spoke]

For me it's usually a combination about how short the gearing is, along with how high the redline is.

[dense shard]

What about V6s?

[hollow trellis]

boring

as hell

[dense shard]

how so

[hollow trellis]

they all sound the same/very similar

yea they're extremely efficient

[civic spoke]

VR6 is best V6.

[hollow trellis]

I wouldn't call the VR6 a V6

[dense shard]

Apart from the fact the Honda J sounds nothing like a VW VR6 sounds nothing like a Duratec sounds nothing like whatever Toyota has.

The VR6 is a V6.

[civic spoke]

It is. But also isn't.

It's a narrow-angle V6. Something like 15 degrees.

[dense shard]

It's just a budget V6.

[hollow trellis]

oh true yea

[dense shard]

That has one head.

[hollow trellis]

I'd say the best V6 ever created is the IR9

[dense shard]

Being out of?

[hollow trellis]

modern indycar spec

[dense shard]

errrr

Let's stick to road going cars.

[fathom socket]

Ikr

[hollow trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBM8KAoSjE&t=129s&ab_channel=LankyTurtle I mean hey

they sound way better IRL

[civic spoke]

Tiny-ass V6's in the current cars. No?

[dense shard]

I'm just not a fan of Indy. Or any racing organization outside of WRC.

[civic spoke]

Oh, wait. Indy.

I was instantly thinking F1.

[dense shard]

V6s tend to be big in cars these days.

Which is a shame. We need a small V6 in a compact car again.

[fathom socket]

I like 0 cylinder engines

Electric motors ftw

[silk island]

In Europe 6 cyl. are just very expensive and there are some nice 4 bangers out there... Loving my X2 and decent power for sure

[hollow trellis]

also what's wrong with the modern F1 engines?

[civic spoke]

Current F1 engines are 1.6 liter V6's.

[hollow trellis]

yea they're boring

as hell

[fathom socket]

Bmw X2?

[hollow trellis]

but my god they're ridiculous

[silk island]

yeah BMW x2 20i

[civic spoke]

Lots of fuel restrictions. That's what.

[hollow trellis]

they still produce 1,000 horsepower

[fathom socket]

Noice , my dad's thinking of getting an x1

[dense shard]

They aren't relevant to road cars.

[hollow trellis]

while maintaining the some of the tightest packaging ever

[dense shard]

F1 hasn't been relevant in years.

[hollow trellis]

says who?

[fathom socket]

How!?!?

[civic spoke]

They are only allowed to rev to 15,000. And have a super strict fuel supply. Since they aren't allowed to refuel anymore.

[hollow trellis]

you do realize F1 is the fastest growing sport in the world, right?

[fathom socket]

Waw

[dense shard]

What modern F1 tech has been pushed over to road cars today?

[civic spoke]

It's the small stuff that gets pushed to road going cars.

[silk island]

X1 is nice too! This is my baby

[hollow trellis]

you act like road cars are the only thing that matters ever

lmfao

[dense shard]

yes

[hollow trellis]

you're an idiot

[dense shard]

Because that is what sells.

How am I an idiot?

[hollow trellis]

yes, f1 doesn't produce money

[hollow trellis]

ignorance

[dense shard]

And what tech has been passed on to road cars?

[fathom socket]

Wow , looks really good

[dense shard]

Then please enlighten me.

[hollow trellis]

^

[dense shard]

It's easy to insult someone, let's try fixing a supposed "ignorance."

Tell me what makes F1 so... relevant.

[hollow trellis]

most of the tech F1 has improved in road cars is from improvement

[dense shard]

yes, in the past.

Not today.

But hey. If you want to tell me what tech has been passed on?

[hollow trellis]

in aero, engine efficiency, hybrid tech, recovery etc.

[dense shard]

Hybrid tech such as?

[civic spoke]

I guess the type of hybrid engines that F1 uses will be passed down to normal cars, sooner rather than later.

[dense shard]

What has F1 done that Toyota and Honda have not?

[hollow trellis]

improvement in efficiency

[dense shard]

KERS never took oof.

[hollow trellis]

I fucking told you

[dense shard]

You told me after I asked you three time.

[hollow trellis]

you obviously aren't even reading my messages

[dense shard]

Active aero has been around for ages.

I'm reading your messages.

[hollow trellis]

OMG LMFAO

you're a donkey

[dense shard]

And all I'm seeing is you acting like a 13 year old.

[civic spoke]

I'm not talking about KERS. I'm talking about having a quick-spinning turbo, stuff like that.

[dense shard]

ah, fair enough.

[civic spoke]

Something you CAN see in today's cars.

[dense shard]

I'll admit that.

[hollow trellis]

big man on campus bc he uses punctuation on discord I see

[dense shard]

... too bad Honda has passed on their poor engine quality to their road cars. lol

[hollow trellis]

and aside from that, engines are 50% efficient in f1

[hollow trellis]

honda currently has the best engine in F1

[delicate adder]

but vtec 😎

[dense shard]

Man. VTEC is dead.

[fathom socket]

I like formula E

[hollow trellis]

you also act like F1 doesn't drive innovation many many other racing series'

[dense shard]

Which is a huge shame.

[hollow trellis]

formula E is awesome

don't say that in front of monte

he'll start crying

[dense shard]

wat

[hollow trellis]

wtf you mean what lmfao

[dense shard]

Formula E is interesting. It has actually driven innovation.

[hollow trellis]

you've been crying for the last 10 minutes

[dense shard]

wat

[hollow trellis]

you have a selective reality

[dense shard]

Stop projecting kid.

[hollow trellis]

I am not projecting a kid

[fathom socket]

Yep so good acceleration lol

[dense shard]

... uhhhhh.

[cursive phoenix]

hey we talking about Formula?

[dense shard]

Sure.

Besides turbos, what other innovations do you think F1 has passed on to road cars?

[civic spoke]

Tires.

Carbon chassis.

[dense shard]

I'll sort of agree with tires, but carbonfiber usage in cars remains minimal.

[civic spoke]

BMW i3.

But yeah. It's fairly limited.

[dense shard]

Which has been tragically discontinued.

[fathom socket]

Not in sports cars , it's very common in sports cars

[civic spoke]

I wouldn't mind the i3. tbh

[dense shard]

Sports cars on the high end.

[cursive phoenix]

Racing cars in general passed down steering wheel functions

[dense shard]

But say... Ford Mustang, BMW Ms, Camaro, Corvette?

[civic spoke]

I'd be all over an Alfa 4C with a manual.

[fathom socket]

Tbh bmw i series looks like meme future cars to me

[dense shard]

They sort of are.

[hollow trellis]

you act like only complete innovation can be carried down

[civic spoke]

BMW's had the carbon roofs.

BMW 7 series has the carbon core stuff.

[dense shard]

I'm acting like I haven't thought of some of the things other people are mentioning.

[fathom socket]

Ah

[hollow trellis]

you act like F1 doesn't cause improvement

[dense shard]

Current F1 I think has a limited impact on modern day cars, yes.

[civic spoke]

A bit like saying that NASA tech doesn't trickle down.

[dense shard]

I continue to think it hasn't driven as much innovation as earlier.

[cursive phoenix]

Until 2022 when it do be become Redbull Redbull Redbull Racing

[civic spoke]

Aye. True. True.

[dense shard]

That is what I've been saying.

I won't deny the decades of actual improvement that you could put your fingers on.

But today? I'm having issues. Formula E seems to be running the narrative now.

[hollow trellis]

your level of comprehension is disappointing, imma go talk with intelligent people

[dense shard]

Also their battery pack update recently has shown just how far batteries have come in a bit under a decade. I think that's amazing.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[civic spoke]

The sport where they literally have to switch car to 'refill' the batteries.

[dense shard]

But now they aren't allowed to switch cars, right?

[civic spoke]

No idea. A few years ago they had to.

[cursive phoenix]

does that include me? Cause I hope not

[dense shard]

lol, you're fine.

[hollow trellis]

no, buildzoid

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/mahindra-racing-mahindra-racing-formula-e-apex-gif-20422934

[cursive phoenix]

oh lucky!!! im trying to get my bank to allow me money for spend on his patreon

gotta loan out like $3

[dense shard]

Also yeah. Gen2 cars dont' do swaps anymore.

[fathom socket]

Include me?

[civic spoke]

Don't the Formula E cars use Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires or something?

[hollow trellis]

if you're in the servers I'm talking in maybe lmfao

[dense shard]

dunno.

Apparently Gen3 will come in on the Gen3 cars.

Gen2 is running on Michielins.

[fathom socket]

Why no tesla formula e ???

[dense shard]

no clue

Probably reasons that aren't very flattering.

[fathom socket]

ig

[civic spoke]

Just race with a Model S Plaid

[fathom socket]

I want the plaid + but it's wayyyyyyy too expensive

[civic spoke]

I find it stupid. Honestly.

[fathom socket]

why

IT's like the fastest accelerating road car

[dense shard]

Tesla's gimmick is the right way to sell EVs amusingly enough.

People keep seeing EVs as slow hippie cars.

[civic spoke]

Because it's an exercise in excess.

[fathom socket]

kept

[dense shard]

What better way to dispell that idea than to turn it into something faster than a Dodge whatevercat.

[fathom socket]

now tesla has made Evs look like the fastest cars

[dense shard]

Which is defeating the purpose of EVs, but what can ya do.

[fathom socket]

why?

[dense shard]

Idea, to me, was always the idea that EVs are vastly more efficient than ICE.

[fathom socket]

they are still more efficent

[dense shard]

Having an EV that goes fast kinda makes it not very efficent.

[fathom socket]

like 4 times more efficient even if fast

[dense shard]

Sure, still more, but I wanted the super aero hippie mobiles.

[fathom socket]

i mean

cheap teslas

[dense shard]

uhhhh

[fathom socket]

20k tesla will be efficient

[dense shard]

40k ain't cheap.

And 20k Teslas are memes like solid state batteries.

Tesla has failed to deliver cheaper cars time and time again.

[civic spoke]

The problem with EV's are usually that you can't really make the batteries any cheapers.

Because people had a greater misconception about EV's. When they looked more like this.

[dense shard]

I'll be rude and say this. EV batteries prices aren't my problem. If literally any automaker wants me to buy a cheap EV they'll have to offer a compelling product.

Not weak excuses.

[civic spoke]

Aye. I know what you mean.

They are still trying to do a few too many gimmicks.

[dense shard]

"but batteries are expensive" is not going to make me go, "oh alright, I guess I'll take that decade loan"

[civic spoke]

Wouldn't really mind the eGolf. tbh

[dense shard]

ID.4 is turning out to be better than not.

All the US needs to do now is making a working charging infrastructure.

[civic spoke]

Mhmm.

And realize that you don't really need 500 mile range from a daily driver.

[dense shard]

Not just have chargers exist, but exist in quantity and also freaking WORK.

I don't need 500 miles, but I don't want to wait more than 10 minutes for 300 miles of range.

[fathom socket]

us has probably the most

India has virtually none

[civic spoke]

Not to mention.
Have the car send you to a charging station, for it to be a 10 kWh station.

[fathom socket]

lol

just charge at home overnight

[civic spoke]

What I mean is - If the vehicle has a 200 mile range. And you want to go 500 miles. Meaning you'd have to stop to charge twice.

Then you don't want to stop overnight to charge.

[fathom socket]

yeah

[dense shard]

I can't charge at home overnight if I'm doing a cross country trip.

[fathom socket]

thats bad

[dense shard]

And the Supercharger network is developed.

But if you want a different EV west of the Mississippi and East of the West Coast... oof.

The plains outside of Texas are lousy for charging.

[civic spoke]

I forgot who tweeted something, but I'm trying to find it...

Yeah, it's part of the Engineering Explained video of the ID.4

This is also a take. https://twitter.com/jasonfenske13/status/1377323034416046080

Engineering Explained (@jasonfenske13)

The ID.4 comes with three years of free charging on Electrify America network! Which is awesome. Until you find out the onboard navigation directs you to non EA chargers. This transition is messy. https://t.co/tUD5oq65KT

Twitter · Mar 31, 2021, 6:12 PM

[dense shard]

I'm sure they'll update it in time... hopefully.

[civic spoke]

I think something was mentioned on the Smoking Tire Podcast.

Around 6 months until an update.

[dense shard]

ouch... that's longer than I'd think.

[civic spoke]

Farah also had an issue with a vehicle he was testing. Problem with the navigation, and him being partially colorblind.

[dense shard]

ah hell.

You'd think cars would have a colorblind nav mode. This isn't uncommon.

[civic spoke]

Think the manufacturer fixed it in a week.

[dense shard]

That's awesome.

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/KVQ9qRml0KM?t=376

6:15 if the timestamp doesn't work. That's when the podcast begin.

[fathom socket]

I think I need new summer tyres

I just get wheel spin when I try to accelerate from standstill

[civic spoke]

Old tires?

[fathom socket]

I really don't know when they were manufactured

lemme check

they were made in 2013

Hello I'm back

my winter ones were made in 2012 and they are grippier

[civic spoke]

Uhh.

Might want to replace both.

[fathom socket]

at least the ones I had in front

I can't find the datecode on my other winter set

[fathom socket]

Yep

0213 5312 were the stamps on them

the ones on rear were made in 2015

[civic spoke]

All a bit old.

[fathom socket]

but still better then the bold tires I had

https://tenor.com/view/tires-camero-burnout-smokin-gif-4798393

Rip tires

[civic spoke]

Imagine being able to spin both rear wheels at once.

[indigo coral]

I wonder how old my tires are

[copper salmon]

Just picked up a 89 subaru justy

[dense shard]

That's clean.

[wide sun]

Miata 😄

Quick quesion: any Suzuki drivers here?

[dense shard]

Former Suzuki driver.

what's up

[civic spoke]

That's not a bad looking NB.

[split notch]

technically not a miata

Miata was the North American name for the NA MX5

[dense shard]

close enough.

Same car.

And the USDM dropped the Miata name supposedly for a generation.

[split notch]

that do be a super clean looking NB tho

[wide sun]

Glad to hear that somebody also drives a Suzuki xD

Or did

[flint sable]

Brake dust + black wheels =

[wide sun]

True

[wide sun]

Nice rims

[dense shard]

I'd have kept the Suzuki.

But I couldn't bring it back to the US.

[flint sable]

Ya they’re OEM, got the car used and the guy who originally optioned it out did a good job

[copper salmon]

I know lol

[dense shard]

Now LS swap it.

[static canopy]

[weary oyster]

Imagine not having a 250cc brigs and Stratton in your car

[fathom socket]

Hello

How are you everyone

[low carbon]

new c63 has a turbo derived from the MGU-H tech used in F1 currently

[charred depot]

£95 for a cv axle on a little shitbox :^|

probably shouldnt of done that unpaved road thrashing

[fathom socket]

meh

I drive with a bad CV joint

at least I think it's bad cv joint after bending my front control arm

or maybe bad engine mount

idk it vibrates when I hit bumps with front left tyre but it goes away after some driving

[charred depot]

if im pulling out into fast traffic it pops a tonne

tonnes of grinding noise when turning right full lock

[fathom socket]

that doesn't sound good

the worst I have is steering rack knocking when turning left and right

if I turn it close to full

[fathom socket]

It's crazy to see Mahindra, which is a crappy Indian Car manufacturer with no experience in EVs whatsoever being a title sponsor for a Formula E team

The best EV Mahindra made had a range of just about 150 kms

[fathom socket]

Ik mahindra is super crappy lmao

[fathom socket]

Bro they don't even work on acoustics of the car

Ye

Their cars vibrate like shit

Mahindra cars are so ugly

https://tenor.com/view/mahindra-thar-mahindra-thar-cars-auto-gif-18846305

Someone tried to copy

[fathom socket]

Their design philosophy doesn't changes

They never experiment new stuff

Ye

I actually like Hyundai because they try to change their designs more often

[patent flax]

why this is a copy paste from the jeep wrangler

[fathom socket]

Hyundai has facelifted and tried various new features with Verna in just 4 generations

Yes

[fathom socket]

Because it's Mahindra, they won't design their own car and copy paste it

Even Maruti Suzuki rebadges old crap from Suzuki

The only moderately ok car from mahindra is the alturas G4 , which is just a rebrand from Ssassyong rexton

[fathom socket]

Ikr, only Tata designs it's own cars and no other Indian car manufacturer does that....mostly they rebadge shit from Japan

[fathom socket]

Suzuki in india as crappy af

Take a car from Japan and put a Maruti Suzuki logo = A whole new car!

[fathom socket]

Tata is awesome in india

Harrier looks so good

And Nexon is not bad either

[fathom socket]

You can see how Tata never reuses parts across the cars

Yeah

Which makes each car look a lot more different and premium

Yep

Even I was considering Tata Harrier Camo

Suzuki vs Tata interior in sub 15k$

[fathom socket]

Harrier is awesome

But I might go with Honda City or Civic instead because Civic makes 150 bhp and just weights 1300kgs

What about Nexon EV?

[fathom socket]

I live in Surat so there's barely any EV infrastructure

Well yes

I live close!!

Actually Tata targets a whole different market segment which is "Mid-range and Premium" and Maruti targets "Budget" segment

Yes

So it makes sense that Maruti would have cheaper interior

But like

Even a 8lakh maruti interior is way worse than a low end nexon

[fathom socket]

Understandable, but why would you buy a Maruti anyways if you got to go with a Tata

Only buy Maruti if you're going for extremely budget

Yeah

If you got the cash, just get Tata or Honda

Honda is recommended for it's VTEC

Would you buy a Nexon or a s cross , if u had the choice?

I don't really like Crossovers

Crossovers are made for people who can't buy a full SUV so try to find the mid-SUV/Hatchback stuff

They're ugly af

Yea

I mean

If I had a budget of 30lakhs I would get a used beemer

[fathom socket]

Here? Nexon, as it has a better engine and the weight distribution is perfect for city driving

Yes

And it looks better 😂

Interior on Nexon also way better

[fathom socket]

Why? Don't buy used BMWs, just get used Audi. Audi's are hella cheaper to fix and stuff

Oh

Plus try buying a Quattro

Why are like 2012 bmw X1s so cheap?

[fringe lake]

This car again

enough tata fanboying

[fathom socket]

Hehe

I am a Tata fanboi

I only like 2 Tata cars tho

[fathom socket]

Ikr, just stop now

🤣

😳 😳 😆

Fuck automatic transmission and adopt Manual

Nahhh

Automatic ez

[fathom socket]

You surely are a kid

No

I'm 16 I'm not a kid 😂

I can drive

[fringe lake]

if i had a manual car i'd drive it lol

[fathom socket]

Not on public roads doe

I'm 16 too but hate automatic because you can't take it on the tracks

[fathom socket]

Good luck taking your automatic to the track

[civic spoke]

Unless it's a very modern automatic, then I'll just have a manual.

[fathom socket]

Ikr Automatic is annoying

[civic spoke]

Only when they are doing stuff you don't want them to do. Which is why I prefer manual.

[fathom socket]

I'm not gonna buy a car for roads, I wanna tune it for tracks so that I can use them for trackdays on weekends

@fathom socket I just drive on private roads where I'm authorised tk drive lol , india sucks , can't get a lisence at 16 :((

[fathom socket]

Why blame India for that?

[fathom socket]

The government does not give lisence before 18 that's why

[civic spoke]

Most of the world is like that.

[fathom socket]

So what? I think you haven't lived in Canada or US

In many states inside usa you can atleast get a permit at 16

[fathom socket]

Only in certain states

Yeah I said many states

Signifying that not all

Every Indian thinks that Canada or US is wonderful but they haven't even been there and lived there

I just said about the topic of cars

Didn't say its wonderful

And I will be doing University from usa

It's stupid that people blame nations for being wrong, little do they know that they themselves are wrong

[fathom socket]

Trust me, don't

Why not

[fathom socket]

You'll get it

Tell me a reason not to

[civic spoke]

What do you want to study?

[fathom socket]

Everything seems good on surface.

[fathom socket]

I'm guessing he would say Engineering

[fathom socket]

Tell me some downsides

[fringe lake]

Expensive first

esp if you don't get lucky

hmmmmm

It is better than a lot of other countries academically though, but that mainly applies to ya know Yale schools

[fathom socket]

Well yes , that's one

[fathom socket]

I won't because I'm not in a mood of getting into an argument with an immature teen

[fringe lake]

but

[fathom socket]

Well , I was about to say the same

[fathom socket]

Germany is one of em'....Europe is actually way better to be honest

[fringe lake]

Top-Tier Indian schools < Top-Tier US schools

[fringe lake]

Well yeah, but you have to learn german and french and whatever language they ask you for

English is much easier naturally

[fathom socket]

Yes

Bruh people think colleges make you great. WOW. I wanna work on my own venture instead of college burden but I have to do it on the side

[fringe lake]

They don't. It's just that everyone looks down on you if you don't have one.

heck now you need a master's to get hired somewhere good

[fathom socket]

Yep

@fathom socket Also don't spend too much money on education, you got all the resources online for free. Remember Degree is expensive but education is free

[fringe lake]

Education is free but people don't care about it. Degrees are a sign of education which people can look at but they're expensive.

[civic spoke]

Honestly? The best think you can do is to just start working. Earn life experience and connections.

[fringe lake]

and naturally a degree > self-education for many employers

[fathom socket]

a million dollar answer

[fringe lake]

If someone hires you for >100k a year sure

[fathom socket]

I love this guy Glass Bomb

he said right

[fringe lake]

enough arguing about schools

more cars

no tata tho

[fathom socket]

Fuck Tata

[fringe lake]

https://tenor.com/view/new-sxre-banger-when-the-soundcloud-gif-19461664

https://tenor.com/view/girl-car-drive-thug-life-gif-9933565

[fathom socket]

My plan is to graduate from a good University , get hired in a field I am interested in and would like to make my career to gain experience and capital , and then start my own venture

[civic spoke]

In the year and I half that I have been working hard full time. I have gotten heaps of connections. Enough so that I won't ever be without work.

[fathom socket]

Lmao

[fathom socket]

It's your life, just live how you want

[civic spoke]

If you're able to get a internship in a field that you know you want to work at. Then do that.

[fathom socket]

I want you to read Rich Dad Poor Dad once, instead of freaking with Tata just go and read it

Alright

[civic spoke]

What field are you interested in?

[fringe lake]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-subaru-alcyone-svx-subaru-svx-subaru-vehicle-x-subaru-alcyone-s4-gif-20912466

[fathom socket]

IT and renewables.

also Finance

[fathom socket]

Computer science and astrophysics

[civic spoke]

A problem that I had, was that I thought that I wanted to get into IT. Because I didn't know any better.

[fathom socket]

I already started with it. I design websites and work with Back-end with JS

Nice

I even have a discord bot which I created with my team and it's open source

Made with JS ofc

So the noise insulation foam fell from my right front wheel arch

[civic spoke]

RIP

So what are you going to do about the wheel well lining?

[fathom socket]

Wheel lining is intact

It's the thing that was holding it from falling out rusted off

Idk

I'll have to see

[low carbon]

That just reminded me of this https://youtu.be/kJa2kwoZ2a4

[fathom socket]

Lmao

Autotune

Meme

[dense shard]

Going back to living in the US.

Learner's permit is usually at 15.

Driver's license is at 16.

There are exceptions for farm vehicles

[fathom socket]

Same as in Germany.
Well... Driving license for motorcycles at 16, driving license for cars at (17)18.
But 16yr olds already may drive a tractor and stuff..

[fringe lake]

Just go to school in a supercharged tractor

Easy enough

[fathom socket]

Going to school? In which country do u live? Thats illegal.

[fringe lake]

I mean, you said 16 year olds could drive tractors

[fathom socket]

Yes? But no one is allowed to go to school. Too high risks of infections

[dense shard]

Depends. Tractors aren't exactly road legal.

State might not appreciate tractors in the parking lot.

And schools are restarting classes in the US.

[fathom socket]

Tractors arent allowed in cities...

But if u live countryside and go into a school countryside... I see no issue. Depends on where the school is

[fringe lake]

I mean, some might. If it works it works

[fathom socket]

Anyway the matter rather is how many parking lots u will occupy... And where u fit

[dense shard]

Schools won't appreciate it. And tractors aren't exactly fast. Just take the farm truck.

Or likely a side by side, or ATV.

[fathom socket]

I'll take my Cybertruck. Shouldn't have an issue with that. Its just 6m long.

[dense shard]

Not the longest thing on the road.

Assuming it's ever actually made.

[fathom socket]

Btw I feel like the Cybertruck should be wider. Its barely 2m wide. 50cm more to go

[dense shard]

It's wide enough.

Even the US has limits.

[fathom socket]

Naw. Not if u want to seat 3 ppl in one row with a back wider than 60cm

[dense shard]

3 people fit fine into an F150.

[fathom socket]

I mean, I was referring to Germany.

[dense shard]

I don't see Tesla selling the CT in the EU.

I doubt it will pass reg.

[fathom socket]

2m isnt that wide. Its default. Trucks may go up to 2,5

[dense shard]

Trucks that require a special license class I assume.

[fathom socket]

Not necessarily. Licenses are based on weight and axis, not size.

[dense shard]

It's going to be a porker.

Especially the tri motor.

[fathom socket]

I pre-ordered the dualmotor

[fathom socket]

But before I get my CT, I plan on getting a CForce850. A Quad ATV

[dense shard]

ok

Also I didn't realize just how much more the CT weighs than an F150.

Tesla Cybertruck will likely get medium-duty truck classification like Ford Super Duty and others

All of a sudden Tesla's tow weights look kinda crap.

[dense shard]

That looks kinda questionable.

I've never seen an ATV with a back rest.

[fathom socket]

I suppose it weights below 3,5 Tons?

U mean two seaters?

[dense shard]

I've never seen an ATV with a back rest.

Two seater or not.

And I'm talking about towing capacity.

[fathom socket]

The backrest is common

[dense shard]

Haven't seen any in the US.

[fathom socket]

Idk about Us regulations. Why does towing capacity be important in relation to weight? I mean more own weight is good for towing..

[dense shard]

It goes by classifications. Tesla isn't an F150 competitor. It's a super duty competitor.

And that gets into some serious stuff. Something Tesla won't win.

Smaller bed, less towing capacity. Range won't matter. Nor will efficiency legally speaking.

[fathom socket]

But who cares about classifications? There are many classifications which are highly illogical.

[dense shard]

I think they are important. Tesla won't be able to punch below their weight.

Otherwise might as well say that a CT is better than a Ranger... because they're both trucks.

[fathom socket]

I dont see any issue in that apart of maybe insurance costs.

[dense shard]

A lot changes once you go up a size in the US. Regulations change entirely.

EPA doesn't require fuel economy testing at that size.

Meaning Tesla doesn't have to release figures.

Also there is the issue of the Davis Dam test. Something I haven't seen Tesla do yet. So their tow capacities are all talk, no show.

[viral matrix]

Chain lube everywhere except on the chain

[dense shard]

That is a crazy setup.

You are a broken chain away from no rear brakes. lol

[viral matrix]

There's a chain guard on top of it

[dense shard]

Anyway. Classification is important from a regluation view point. And from that point shoppers will use that to shop around with.

[viral matrix]

Took it off to wash the rear swing

[dense shard]

oh, whew

[viral matrix]

Got it fairly clean

[dense shard]

I'm still digging that swing arm design.

It looks like it answered questions no one asked.

[viral matrix]

Single sided swing arms are so sexy

[dense shard]

It's ridiculous, and I love it.

[fathom socket]

Love to chase them with my eUP 🤣

[dense shard]

It's like Buell's weird brake setup on the front.

https://www.webbikeworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Buell-S1W-Right-Side.jpg

What if Harley made a bike you'd want to buy.

[viral matrix]

Won't be chasing for that long

E up is so slow

[dense shard]

I imagine the range also isn't a match.

[viral matrix]

Nowhere near

[dense shard]

Speaking of range.

Gonna try a mod on the Jeep to boost my fuel economy. Gonna try out E0.

[median reef]

Guys

[fathom socket]

0-100kph in 11 seconds

[median reef]

How much does dababy convertible cost?

[dense shard]

According to a friend they got something like a 20% improvement in switching no non-ethanol gas.

[viral matrix]

Lmao, my 21 year old accord with the 4 speed auto can beat that

[dense shard]

My 20 year old Jeep can match that.

Mind you the Jeep is 4wd, and weighs too much.

[fathom socket]

I just like to drive high speed through curves drifting, fighting against the ESP

[dense shard]

Get a jeep and you can fear for your life going through turns at high speed.

[fathom socket]

I'll take a CyberTruck to share fears with everyone around
A tank with 0-100kph in below 3sec with 35" tires

[dense shard]

We'll see if they're any good off road.

[fathom socket]

I wonder if there be 35" racing tires

[dense shard]

I'm looking forward to the videos of Tesla owners being sad they scratched their trucks in Moab.

There's a reason you don't see many Land Cruisers in those videos... not new ones. lol

[fathom socket]

I don't care about scratches and bumps in the Chassis very much.. To my disadvantage if I want to sell the eUP again to get a vehicle which doesnt care about scratches and bumps either

[dense shard]

But yeah. Trucks is going to be interesting.

It's a different market to cars.

[fathom socket]

But I most likely will have a Trailer to haul a quad with the CT.. Because a 6ft bed just is too smol

[dense shard]

I find that hard to believe.

Quads aren't that big.

[fathom socket]

They are a good 2,3m long, thats 7.6ft

[dense shard]

Just lower the tailgate. Should fit fine.

That's how we do it in the US.

Not sure why the reactions, but if you want to not use your truck for truck purposes, perhaps a truck is not what you need.

[fathom socket]

I dont necessarily want to use it with the tailgate down

[dense shard]

why

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f150forum.com-vbulletin/1297x975/20171112_110535_1__8aef3d3e5d0534ebfeb8efdc59bcda200177b00b.jpg

Just don't exceed the weight limit, and you'll be fine.

[fathom socket]

But... The Cybertruck doesnt have steel cables on it and the tailgate is used as a dropdown ramp. Not sure u could let it be horizontal or even let stuff sit on it

[dense shard]

If the tailgate is used as a ramp it should be fine to be used as the load floor.

Unless Tesla didn't consider a use case for that... which I can absolutely see considering it's Tesla.

The company famous for not including cold weather testing in their uhhh... testing.

[fathom socket]

I just checked.. It will be also useable to extend the bed cargo area. With a flaps at the back as tailgate for the tailgate

So I should be good to go

Now only one challenge remains:
The License Plate in Europe

[dense shard]

That's on Tesla.

Worst comes to worst you just epoxy it on.

Or weld it on.

[stoic ledge]

Depending on the weight you might not even be able to drive it with a regular license

[fathom socket]

The system in Europe and Germany is quite flexible. Its possible to get a plate for very ridiclous vehicles..

U just need to get the right classifications.

[stoic ledge]

It's not that easy lol, you need quite a lot of certifications

[fathom socket]

Up to 3.5 Tons empty mass is allowed for the "regular license"

If I need, I simply go up and do the license to drive 7.5T

[viral matrix]

All polished and waxed

[stoic ledge]

If you need a C license it's basically a semi truck, idk if you can get a dual cab thingy registered as a semi

[dense shard]

I imagine insurance won't be kind.

I can't wait to see just how long the top end model will take to charge.

[fathom socket]

Hopefully not very long due to the new batteries

[dense shard]

The new batteries don't charge faster from what I remember.

New size means better packaging.

So more cells in area. Or more compact packaging.

If it does charge faster... that's excellent.

[vast harness]

So is my jack is 6k lbs but my truck is 6400 gross and 5400 curb is it safe or not idk what is safe or the "correct" weight to use to determine this

[dense shard]

Should be fine since you aren't lifting it all at the same time.

Our rule of thumb is that a floor jack needs to be rated for at least three-quarters of a vehicle's gross weight. So, according to our rule, a one-and-a-half-ton (3,000-pound) jack could lift a car that weighs as much as 4,000 pounds -- or two mothers-in-law.

[split notch]

If you're only lifting a single side or an axle it's fine.

for example if you were to put it up on stands

[vast harness]

Yea doing the front half

Putting it on stands

[frigid cipher]

What if we use 100% of our brain?

[vocal mural]

That is a really nice parking spot

[feral zinc]

!event

[proud hound]

Hey y’all, just curious on a new set of tires for my car, I’m either looking at continental purecontact ls, Bridgestone turanza quiettrack, or Michelin cross climate 2, live in the Midwest so winter isn’t terrible but I’d prefer to have something with decent traction in the winter since I can’t really afford a good set of snow rims/tires on my car

Any recommendations of the 3?

I can get all for about the same price after rebates

235/45/r18 is size I need for it

[stiff minnow]

Heres the polestar 1. turbo chared/super charged hybrid sport/luxurious car

Also, its basically a volvo. Thats because volvo owns polestar

[charred depot]

finally getting stuff done

[low carbon]

Crossclimate

[proud hound]

That’s what I thought grazi

[fair pollen]

I am once again coming to ltt looking for some off the wall help.

Looking for a roof rack and bike rack for a e90 335i. Not sure if anyone here has had experience with this.

[low carbon]

go thule

[tawny sail]

I don’t think formula e will bring much innovation because each car has to be the same, there still will be innovation. But not as much as f1 Bc teams won’t be competing against each other to make better tech.

[low carbon]

It’s started...

[solemn inlet]

Looks like a fucking spaceship

[civic spoke]

You know. Kind of a fitting name for them now. Before they were kidneys.

Now they are coffins.

[fathom socket]

ehhhhhh

GM and ford are too desperate

the most famous gas guzzling car brands

Mustang and hummer

[civic spoke]

But the new Hummer is an EV?

[fathom socket]

Are electric now , like make a new brand

[fathom socket]

yes

[civic spoke]

Oh, that's what you're saying.

[fathom socket]

they should make a new brand and not change those brands

Hummers and mustangs are not supposed to be efficient

[haughty ridge]

I kinda get why they don't change the brand, since those brands are already familiar to most people

[fathom socket]

ik but like , the mustang ev is not even a mustang , it does not have anything that makes it a real mustang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBaQHbeHE0

[haughty ridge]

But they have a really bad rep in some regions. Here in the Netherlands only 8 year old kids think hummers and mustangs are cool, the rest thinks that they are overweight, too bad, gas guzzling shitboxes

[fathom socket]

Heh

Gen z and gen alpha

I am gen z but like

[haughty ridge]

But tbf, we are used to smaller cars since our roads are not wide

[dense shard]

What makes a mustang real?

[civic spoke]

Thing is that both "Hummer" and "Mustang" are both strong brand names.

[fathom socket]

The sound of the engine

[dense shard]

Uhhhh

[fathom socket]

And the engine

[civic spoke]

They are recognizable to people.

[dense shard]

Have you heard the 4 cylinders?

[fathom socket]

They should have made Ford gt electric

[dense shard]

It sounds like a vacuum cleaner with a sore throat

[haughty ridge]

It has a V6 now right?

[fathom socket]

Imma be so pissed if there is a hellcat ev

[dense shard]

V6 is dead

It's turbo 4 or V8 I believe

[haughty ridge]

Oh hmm.

[fathom socket]

If there is a demon or hellcat ev , muscle cars are dead

[dense shard]

There will be

[haughty ridge]

Bring back the V10. The lexus LFA sounds so good

[dense shard]

The Challenger is... Old

[civic spoke]

Don't worry. There will be.

[dense shard]

Mustang Mach e has justified itself

It's causing lot of salt among Tesla fans

[fathom socket]

I like real muscle cars

[indigo coral]

Yes.

LFA sounds amazing

[fathom socket]

I am a tesla fan and I'm all for evs , I'm not a Karen lmao , but like muscle cars should be gas guzzler

[civic spoke]

A real muscle car is what to you?

[low carbon]

If we’re talking organs they’ve turned from kidneys to lungs

[dense shard]

Only muscle car left is the Challenger

[indigo coral]

The charger is dead?

[solemn inlet]

1967 charger

Is the best imo

[fathom socket]

Big inefficient engine , lots of air intake., It should sound good , do burnouts and be fast , also have the muscle car styling

[haughty ridge]

I'd rather have a BMW M3 or a Mercedes C63 than a muscle car, I honestly don't get the appeal of muscle cars

[civic spoke]

The C63 is a muscle car.
Change my mind.

[haughty ridge]

Except the new BMW m3, that grill is hideous

[fathom socket]

I would rather have a model S too ,but muscle cars have thier place

[civic spoke]

Alpina B3 👌

[fathom socket]

Bmw i series is hilarious

[haughty ridge]

It kinda is, but when I hear muscle car I think of big American cars

[fathom socket]

I want a amg gtr

[low carbon]

Rather a tuned M340i

[fathom socket]

Same

[haughty ridge]

That is my dream car

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-neoncup-amg-gtr-amg-gt-amg-gt-s-gif-13175038

[civic spoke]

I would almost rather have a Porsche GT3 Touring?

[fathom socket]

Mine is that and a roadster 2020

[haughty ridge]

I'm a huge merc fan, so a bit biased.

[fathom socket]

Haha I am too

[civic spoke]

Imagine calling it "Roadster 2020". And it's not even being produced yet.

[fathom socket]

Ikr

[low carbon]

Wouldn’t bother with the R

I like the GT C most

[civic spoke]

Same here. GT C is the best blend of it.

[fathom socket]

I love the r

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-roadster-tesla-gif-20159276

Best design ever , change my mind

[civic spoke]

GT C is the widebody. Without the extra power. No?

[low carbon]

Slightly more power with wide body and rear wheel steering

[civic spoke]

Yeah.

[low carbon]

30ish more iirc

[fathom socket]

Plaid + model s is also pretty cool

That's my dream daily driver

[civic spoke]

I don't really care for the Model S. Especially the Plaid.
It's pretty meh, in my mind.

[fathom socket]

1.99s 0-60 is not meh to me lmao

[low carbon]

Fast Tesla’s as a daily are the such a waste of money for a daily

[civic spoke]

Would 100% rather have the entry level Taycan Sport Turismo.

[fathom socket]

I don't like the tycan

[haughty ridge]

IMO tesla's don't look that great. They are not ugly or anything, it's just meh

[low carbon]

A long range Tesla is more than enough and is far better value

[fathom socket]

Yeah they don't look awesome I agree

[civic spoke]

This is a big yes.

[low carbon]

Those coupey wagons aren’t very practical compared to a normal wagon tho

Someone needs to make a normal EV wagon

[fathom socket]

Headlamps look like vampire eyes

[civic spoke]

It's better than the normal Taycan, at least. Since that's more of a sedan.

[low carbon]

An electric 400hp Volvo V60 would sell well in markets that like wagons

[civic spoke]

Even just 150 hp is more than enough.

Since you have heaps of torque all over.

[low carbon]

Drove the EQC400 a while ago, 400hp and like 800nm is great

[civic spoke]

150 hp, 300 Nm would be nice.

[indigo coral]

I'd rather have a GS F over an EV

[fathom socket]

Lmao wat

Nah

[low carbon]

For an ICE daily just give me a mild hybrid 6cyl like an AMG 53

[civic spoke]

You have have unrealistic requirements. A car doesn't need to have a minimum of 300-400 hp.

[indigo coral]

for a smaller car 150hp is adequate

[low carbon]

Remember, it’s a child you’re talking to

[civic spoke]

Wouldn't mind the new 6 cylinders from Mercedes.

[fathom socket]

180 seems likea good sweet spot tho

[indigo coral]

My rx300 has 220 and it's plenty. Main reason it's slow is the 4 speed slushbox

[low carbon]

Yep I love them. Been in love ever since driving the GLE 53

[fathom socket]

That hurt

[civic spoke]

Your average Joe doesn't need any more than 150. Unless they are towing on the regular, then you might want up to 250 hp. At least for BE stuff.

[low carbon]

We were all kids and had unrealistic expectations at some point so you’re fine

[fathom socket]

Yes , average Joe doesn't

[civic spoke]

Once you start driving on your own. With your own personal vehicle and everything. Then you'll understand us better.

[fathom socket]

True

[fathom socket]

👍

[low carbon]

Well i’d say for a good effortless daily you want around 200nm/tonne minimum

Not too focused on raw power

[civic spoke]

You're technically not even Average Joe, yet. If I remember right. Considering that you don't have a driver's license.

[haughty ridge]

I think 150 is a lot. My car had 100hp or something when it was new

[civic spoke]

I've driven cars with sub 70 hp.

[haughty ridge]

It has a tiny 1.4l 4 cylinder

[fathom socket]

I don't have a lisence but I can drive

[civic spoke]

The one I drove was a Citroen Nemo. 1.6 diesel if I remember right. Just under 70 hp.

[haughty ridge]

My dad has a B-class which weighs 1300kg and only has like 85hp

[low carbon]

Well depends on torque. A 150hp turbo petrol will be far nicer to drive than a n/a 150hp motor

[civic spoke]

And topped out at just under 160 kmh. Don't ask me how I know.

[indigo coral]

My car is porky so 200-220 isn't excessive imo

3800 pounds 🤣

[civic spoke]

The Nissan NV200 had something like 90 hp. And it had so much more pull compared to the Citroen.

[haughty ridge]

I just got my first car last week, A mercedes A140 from 2000

[dense shard]

I wouldn't call a Tesla a good value

[civic spoke]

First few years of the Model S was amazing value. Since you got lifetime free charging.

[dense shard]

That hasn't been a thing in ages...

[fathom socket]

Dw not breaking law , only on private land where I'm authorised to

[dense shard]

And anything pushing 100k is of questionable value imo

[civic spoke]

Aye. Very true.

[low carbon]

What pedestrian Tesla is 100k though

Isn’t a long range model 3 around 60k in the US?

[dense shard]

What Tesla is pedestrian?

And 60k is a steep price to pay.

[civic spoke]

Aye.

Even the 'cheap' Model 3 is expensive.

[low carbon]

Compared to a 3 series, A4 etc? I wouldn’t say so

[dense shard]

A4 starts in the low 40s?

How about an Accord or Camry?

[low carbon]

Does that A4 have similar performance?

[dense shard]

Since we're talking pedestrian

And yes

And should be larger even.

[civic spoke]

Entry level A4 Avant is 440,000 SEK over here.

[fathom socket]

When will the 25k tesla come out

[civic spoke]

lol, never.

[low carbon]

IMO the Model 3 is a premium sedan

[civic spoke]

Price of battery will forever be too high for a 25k Tesla.

[dense shard]

I'd argue that an Accord is premium enough

[low carbon]

I’ve driven one and it’s far better than a Camry etc. rather a 3 series hybrid though if I was properly eco conscious

[dense shard]

What can Tesla do that an Accord cannot?

[civic spoke]

Canada had the cheapest Model 3, I think. But only so that they could have the Government incentives.

[low carbon]

Use a supercharger lol

[dense shard]

Ok?

So it takes 5 times longer to gain 300 miles or range?

[low carbon]

As per most electric cars

[dense shard]

And has a fraction of refueling access that a Honda has?

[fathom socket]

Damn

[indigo coral]

A model 3 has a significantly worse quality interior than a camry or accord

[civic spoke]

EV makes 100% sense if you're driving less than 100 miles in a day. And if you have chargers at any of your destinations.

[low carbon]

Exactly

Problem is initial purchase price really

[civic spoke]

The government grant was if they had a model available for $35,000 or below. I think

1 kWh of batteries will always have a certain price attached to it.

And it's near impossible to decrease that price.

Tesla is able to lower their price due to economics of scale.

[low carbon]

Yep

[civic spoke]

Hence it's near impossible to have an entry level EV. That doesn't have a very low range.

[dense shard]

Shame

Looks like I'll be sticking to ice

[low carbon]

What a surprise

[dense shard]

I can't afford a 40k car with limited utility

[civic spoke]

Look at how "affordable" the Model 3 is over here.

[low carbon]

It’s pretty clear that for your needs there isn’t an EV out there

However for a lot of people EV does suit them else nobody would make the damn things

[civic spoke]

$66.6k

[low carbon]

I doubt there’s gonna be widespread adoption for another 20 years

[dense shard]

That's great, but if EVs are going to be a future, they need to fix these issues

[low carbon]

Infrastructure is still shit unless you have a network like the Supercharger and are willing to waste up to hours charging

[civic spoke]

EV really just needs a better charging network.
Mainly for people who only have street parking.

[dense shard]

Hopefully they can fix charging times.

I don't have time to waste.

[low carbon]

Or just go PHEV

Still expensive tho

[dense shard]

Worst of both worlds

[civic spoke]

Not only charging times. But so that your EV doesn't send you chargers with piss-poor charging rates.

On the off chance that you need to charge your vehicle, then you don't want it to take 10 hours.

[fathom socket]

Yes ig but for 40-60k I would just get a merc

[civic spoke]

That amount of time is fine for destination chargers. Where you tend to spend hours at.

[low carbon]

Exactly

[dense shard]

I would love for no dlc to be a thing.

[fathom socket]

C class starts 42k

[indigo coral]

For 40-60k I'd just get a GS F

[civic spoke]

I'm a BMW guy. So I would probably just get an entry level 3 series.

[fathom socket]

Even the e class is 55k

[civic spoke]

Or an older M140i

Sucks that you can't really find 6 cylinders in more affordable cars from now.

[low carbon]

Just fly to America then

[dense shard]

Get a Corolla, and buy a project Jeep.

... which I did.

[indigo coral]

how much is the new IS 500 F Sport?

[civic spoke]

Inline 6 cylinders.

[indigo coral]

Oh its not out yet

rip

[civic spoke]

It's honestly just the Mercedes and BMW that has the i6 engines from new.

[fathom socket]

What about diesel i6

[civic spoke]

No.

The i6 diesel that I drive is enough.

But that's an actual Truck. So...

[fathom socket]

Now imagine i3 diesel

[low carbon]

Been there done that

[civic spoke]

i3 diesels are a thing.

[low carbon]

Not fun lol

[civic spoke]

BMW B37

[fathom socket]

Well

If you hack off one of the pistons