id probably manage to launch it straight into the ditch
#cars
charred depot
fathom socket
Kachow 
charred depot
are you sure itll need an alignment once its fixed
remote ridge
That is done sick steering anytime you got bro
charred depot
increased toe in for extreme high speed stability
normal temple
Das toe out
quasi lava
What was the car behind the Accord doing?
The Accord crashed at night probably, when we had lockdown. Accord crashed near junction.
fathom socket
classic accords
civic girder
I can relate
quasi lava
classic accords
civic girder
that looks like a Civic lmao
charred depot
for a while i dont think US got same cibics as us
fathom socket
did US get this?
charred depot
noh
civic girder
We got something along those lines I'm pretty sure
front end looks like something we got
fathom socket
prolly called something different
2014 american civic
non us 2014 civic
tbh people talking about american cars always gets confusing for me
all these names i've never heard of or seen in person on the road
or names i've heard but completely different cars
charred depot
did US get this?
(this is our 7th gen)
i think us got it in the some amount but only as like a sport version
maybe just imports
unborn cedar
frank steeple
dont you just love it when you see a 2006 nissan centra with a non existent steering shaft?
dense shard
fathom socket
i like the mini gp better....
but its perssonal preference aftr all
you could buy this brand new in 94
tardy timber
frigid raptor
@quasi lava nice seeing my hometown has bad drivers 
stray nacelle
compact thorn
its gonna be starting production post cybertruck "inside scoop from man who may or may not work at tesla that i may or may not know that may or may not work on the cybertruck"
civic spoke
its gonna be starting production post cybertruck "inside scoop from man who may ...
After they start with the Cyber Truck. Or after it's production?
compact thorn
after they effectively launch the cybertruck for sale expect production to slowly start
he/she may have also said cybertruck is within 3-5 years from the road
civic spoke
Wouldn't surprise me.
stark sentinel
Ngl, I kinda liked the cybertruck but it looks a bit dated now
civic spoke
Takes a long-ass while for anything to get through development stuff.
And safety testing etc.
And then you also have the Tesla Semi.
fathom socket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXoZ6_YNTs
BMW YARIS
It has a i4 engine or i3 idk
fathom socket
The 2020 Supra is BMW made
fathom socket
well I prefer Civic Type R or Evo X
dense shard
Evo X is about a decade old.
fathom socket
Its 5 years old
dense shard
And the Type R isn't a rally machine.
fathom socket
subaru
dense shard
Evo X design is over a decade old... and honestly the 4B11 never attained the same following the previous Evos did.
dense shard
Fair enough.
I'll stick with Toyota. I do wonder how they'll make the Corolla GR interesting.
fathom socket
Cobalt SS.
That is all
dense shard
🤔
fathom socket
Z4 is tiny af lmao
dense shard
Oh yeah the Z3 and first gen Z4 aren't big cars.
But I wouldn't mind either of the hardtops.
I like the design and idea.
fathom socket
Yeah
My dad would be squished in those cars
Even my bros
I even found a E32 for $3000
dense shard
Well, for only 3000 grand more you can get it fixed up.
fathom socket
dense shard
And you'll have overpaid for an old 7.
dense shard
I can tell.
fathom socket
Yeah
i8 is horrible
Its slowwww
Btw I can get a Gallardo in my country for $60000
60 thousand dollars
Abd add exhausts and a lotta hp it can also replace a Huracan
But lambo parts are Expensive af
Even BMW
Even my Chevy Trailblazer parts are expensive
indigo coral
I like the I8 but it's horrifically unreliable
dense shard
It is a first generation plug in hybrid exotic car.
Honestly I'd say that's totally fair... for once.
fathom socket
its probably one of those cars that will become rather popular in the future i imagine
It's kind of funny that my focus started right up on first crank
I had to warmup and charge the battery
But it started with no issues
normal temple
flint sable
Why the hood go that high
vast harness
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2517064868595804/ is this any good? I have been looking for one for a while
elfin sequoia
Why the hood go that high
To be different
flint sable
Lel
normal temple
Service position
woven wagon
after paint then some one stole it
for real?
outer topaz
yes
fathom socket
?
fathom socket
wheat hatch
@flint sable Found ya
civic spoke
I just made some kids night. I think.
I turned into a parking lot. Skidded around for a little bit. And they looked to be cheering me on.
I left the place dumping second gear.
Makes me hate having an open diff even more.
flint sable
haha
frank steeple
I just made some kids night. I think.
I turned into a parking lot. Skidded aroun...
OPEN DIFF GANG UNITE
charred depot
open diffs are horrible for when you dip one of your front wheels into mud
hm yes this is the appropriate wheel to give all the power
also fwd :^|
terse rock
fathom socket
<@!403176651707645953> Found ya
quasi lava
warm sparrow
parked as a porsche owner
charred depot
looks like they were going for the single bay and not taking two on purpose aswell :^|
wheat hatch
997 turbo?
civic spoke
open diffs are horrible for when you dip one of your front wheels into mud
Lightly squeeze the brakes. Poor man's LSD...
Just a bit tricky with manuals.
charred depot
wouldnt be hard for me to do i think, ive got a heel toe cheater pedal :^|
warm sparrow
?
frank steeple
Lightly squeeze the brakes. Poor man's LSD...
Lightly blow the engine. Poor man's E-brake...
Just a bit tricky with manuals.
wheat hatch
warm sparrow
- vtak *
frank steeple
May I ask where that is tho ?
snow
warm sparrow
it's written on the plate (more or less)
placid imp
Ah ouais je vois
slim peak
mortal jolt
flint sable
CXX?
flint sable
Oops!
elder pasture
fathom socket
De-salted
remote ridge
@civic girder did you decat the rx-7 yet
civic girder
no, I've been lazy and its winter
remote ridge
ah okay
i just saw a post on reddit where someone decatted their rx-7 and thought it was you
remote ridge
ah okay
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Looks like fun 
dapper spire
I wanna get a new car but the wife said no 😦
fathom socket
basically Eau Rouge
fathom socket
mazda 2 no winter tyres vs the hill of despair?
How about wheel chains?
charred depot
bit excessive and only legal in deep snow
fathom socket
Hammer nails into the tires and call it Spike wheels 
charred depot
illegal
fathom socket
Say who
fathom socket
Of which country?
charred depot
UK
fathom socket
UK.... Thats a special case...
charred depot
damages the road surface too much
fathom socket
I don't have that Problem. Cant damage a road where none is 🤣
charred depot
surface is screwed here too, doesent need screwed any more
fathom socket
More screws should fix it
Anyway... Good luck ^^
Only way for u is downwards and hope theres another way around
Or do it like the military and lay woodplanks to drive on.
unborn anchor
stoic ledge
quiet elk
foggy sphinx
why would someone buy a tesla in china if they can buy a byd
remote ridge
speaking of go karts
how terrible of an idea would it be to build a go kart from scratch with an ls9 engine
or really anything more than a lawnmower or typical go kart engine
civic spoke
why would someone buy a tesla in china if they can buy a byd
Status?
flint sable
S u r e
civic spoke
Sounds a bit like my car.
flint sable
Very nice
civic spoke
Nice. A party machine.
stoic ledge
That Fiesta looks like it's in a great shape 👀
civic spoke
I need to give my car a bunch of TLC.
stoic ledge
civic spoke
Need to refresh the coolant system. New hoses, expansion tank, etc.
fathom socket
I want to put a new exhaust in mine
what are the laws on tinting windows in the UK?
civic spoke
what are the laws on tinting windows in the UK?
fathom socket
and are there any laws on lowering the suspension?
civic spoke
None that I know of. As long as headlights and stuff are at the correct height.
fathom socket
hmm..
I’m thinking of tinting my fiestas windows a smidge
Lowering it
and sticking a booming exhaust on it
civic spoke
Want a fat tip?
Don't.
fathom socket
Why?
civic spoke
Stay clean and legal.
fathom socket
Isn’t all that legal?
well for one the tint will probably get you pulled over more
Scrap the tint then
civic spoke
Same with being lowered. And having an exhaust.
fathom socket
lowering will p much destroy your ride and you'll wreck your exhaust on speedbumps (at least a sleeping policeman thingy)
civic spoke
It might not be illegal. But it for sure draws the attention of the police.
fathom socket
My sisters boyfriend has like the special edition bmw that’s like all carbon fibre, he put a mega loud exhaust on it which got many complaints from the neighbours but the police said it was fine and that they couldn’t do anything
nothing wrong with a stock Fiesta mk4
yeah, I agree, but I want it to roarrrr
civic spoke
My sisters boyfriend has like the special edition bmw that’s like all carbon fib...
Doesn't mean that he doesn't get the wrong impressions from people.
fathom socket
well for one you wont be going to a funeral in it
civic spoke
Trust me when I say, just stay clean and legal, until at least the age of 25.
fathom socket
only mod i'd consider rn is a bangin stereo for me tunes
but cost of sub 300 and absolute minimal modification of the car itself so you dont have to declare it
(i wont actually do that though)
civic spoke
Also - Remember that you're driving a <1,000£ shit box. If I'm going to be blunt about it.
There is no need to spend as much as the car is worth on anything. Unless it's stuff like tires.
fathom socket
hey the MK4 is not a shit box, even if it did cost £700
civic spoke
And service.
fathom socket
if you heavily modify something like that you just kinda end up looking a bit silly
I wasn’t gonna heavily modify it, just a new exhaust and whatnot
civic spoke
A boring car is a good car.
civic spoke
And remember. Just having any sort of personal transportation is amazing when you're young.
fathom socket
Cheers guys
I’ll keep my “shit box” as it is for now haha, thanks
I bought it for meeting with my girlfriend and getting to college
civic spoke
Is the car written in your name? Insurance and all?
civic spoke
Then yeah. Keep it as vanilla as possible.
And stay safe on the roads.
Remember to check how old the tires are as well. Don't drive on ancient rubber.
fathom socket
I always get called weird for it being my dream car for 2 years though lol
I’ve always loved them
Old Ford fiestas are the way to go
flint sable
karmic verge
Yo wtf?
fathom socket
2 things 2 say. Numero uno. Nice cars! Numero dos. Nice garage!
Also how does a jeep sound for a first car?
stoic ledge
USDM bumpers 
fathom socket
Whats USDM bumpers?
stoic ledge
Uglier than the bumpers intended by the manufacturer
flint sable
The big rubber things
stoic ledge
For example that Carrera 4 on the right, the black rubber things besides the license plate
Yes
flint sable
Us domestic market
The Chiron has terrible ones too
Most Chiron owners remove them
stoic ledge
Yeah the Chiron has some ugly ones as well
Or cars with harmonica bumpers
Like this
flint sable
stoic ledge
It does devaluate the design so much
fathom socket
Hmmm.
remote ridge
what do those rubber things do
remote ridge
ye but what regulation makes them needed to be put there
flint sable
ember dove
dense shard
Pop ups are more expensive, heavier, more prone to failure, and don't jive with pedestrian safety.
And aren't great for aerodynamics.
dense shard
Till it breaks and only one light works.
dense shard
And there are many others who had.
ember dove
still cooler
ember dove
be me and have LED popups lmao
dense shard
I don't care for popups. I feel I'd forget to ever put them down.
But that's just me.
dense shard
Other than messing with highway fuel economy.
night current
POPUPS 🤤
ember dove
I bought the donut media shirt lmao
remote ridge
Dude I want the pop-up shirt
lime gull
koenigsegg???
flint sable
Yes
ember dove
Typical miata owner
elfin sequoia
Jesko is sick
leaden laurel
I like some modern cars, but they'll never beat the 70s and 80s designs.. or 50s American cars
(pic is my Citroën BX)
civic girder
Oooh
stoic ledge
charred depot
passaaaat vs 15 tonnes
fathom socket
I like some modern cars, but they'll never beat the 70s and 80s designs.. or 50s...
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I love the look of this car
when I was a kid my grandfather had this car
charred depot
citroen AX's used to be the shit here
drowsy surge
eager grove
that back end is hideous
flint sable
i dont like it
stoic ledge
I think it's already discontinued tbh
It was a short run specifically for the Middle East
Limited run
Ah yes, according to Wikipedia:
Production 2015–December 2016 (120 productions)```
stoic ledge
novel ingot
popupupanddownheadlights
fair bronze
I like some modern cars, but they'll never beat the 70s and 80s designs.. or 50s...
Awesome BX!
leaden laurel
Thanks!
It's a great car to drive
It had a couple of issues some time last year - hydraulic system had a couple of leaks - but I managed to get the parts for it and get them replaced
civic spoke
Man. I love the engineering of the Koenigsegg cars.
flint sable
technically no transmission on the regera
civic spoke
solemn inlet
I cleaned my ute, came back 10 minutes later and see this 
fathom socket
sooooo. my mom was teasing m e abou tgetting a trd camery. ( i cannot spell) 2020
elfin sequoia
I feel like trd camry isnt worth it
wild tiger
Explorer from within a explorer
My moms friend has the same trim and year explorer i do
flint sable
civic spoke
S class.
flint sable
Apparently the key sucked
stray nacelle
civic spoke
Reminds me how I saw an RS4 the other day.
Parked in a handicap spot (with a permit).
Thing was not even 2 months old.
solemn inlet
charred depot
nice they are really making use of limited space
hondas nice they will sell me bolts for a 20 year old car just fine, granted a bit on the steep end of pricing. meanwhile my 10 year old car which has been out of production for like 6 years mazda are like what do you mean bolt?!
jade oyster
Nice
sturdy solar
My mustang (currently being restored) running without an exhaust
Why is it a stupid download file 
remote ridge
me and the boys at 3 am in the Walmart parking lot
frank steeple
My mustang (currently being restored) running without an exhaust
i remember when my cougar used to sound like that lol
This was before the engine blew up
rip engine number 1
frank steeple
previous owner lied about it's condition
sturdy solar
oofs
frank steeple
he said he just rebuilt it but nooooooooooo
sturdy solar
lol
frank steeple
luckily we got a new engine that should have about like 400bhp
frank steeple
5.0
frank steeple
Ours was built by a tuning shop but I forgot the name
I think it was called roadjam motorsports?
frank steeple
this is what it looks like now
frank steeple
oooo nice
sturdy solar
indeed :P
frank steeple
i got really lucky when i got my car
ya see, there are only about 2,000 67 Cougars left in existence
the previous owner built demo derby cars for living, and i'm guessing that if i didn't buy it, he would've turned it into a demo derby car
it was already kind of stripped down
frank steeple
i didn't think he knew how rare they were either, i got it for $4,000 when they usually go for $20,000
frank steeple
kind of? it spent most of it's life in california before coming to the midwest
sturdy solar
shouldn't be too bad then, my dad has a 66 ford pickup which isn't rusted trough at all, cuz it spent all its time just standing outside in cali, we had to fix some rust tho, not a lot
.
there it is doing a burnout lol
frank steeple
nice
compact forge
Ford F-150
civic spoke
Yupp. That is a car.
zealous pelican
fathom socket
i’m getting a 2014 mazda for free as my first car :))
vital cipher
Good 4u
You should get a ford mustang 1988
@fathom socket
And electrify it
Lol
fathom socket
honestly i’m just getting what i can. it was a family members car
i do want a 350z tho😤
also, what could i do to make it better. it already has bose speakers in it
fathom socket
This is what I got for free
remote ridge
also, what could i do to make it better. it already has bose speakers in it
I would wait a while to do any real modifications other than purely cosmetic ones. A good cheap start would be just a steering wheel
remote ridge
I guess a new stereo would pair well with that
fathom socket
#MyFirstOwnCar
charred depot
lol my friend test drove a golf recently and the guy was being insanely pushy at arnold clark arnold shark
he was basically saying the car was his and the agreement was done
sad to think thats probably caught someone out
flint sable
Yikesss
charred depot
honestly the story is hard to believe but i know arnold clark is that bad
fathom socket
Great for a first vehicle. If you ask me. As long as you're able to charge it.
At least in Germany, we have promotions for installing a 11kW wallbox with 900€ per installation.
So in essence if the box costs 650€ and the installation a round 250€, you pay 0€ in total for it. 👍
stoic ledge
It doesn't support 11kW AC charging tho, right?
fathom socket
7,2kW AC, 42kW DC
And as every household in Germany does have 3-phased by default, we don't have much issues regarding those installations.
stoic ledge
Germany has some sick government grants/promotions on EVs
dense shard
Wish the US did.
I wonder if my apartment complex would indulge me by installing a charger in my garage.
fathom socket
The worst of them is a 4k€ promotion on buying a hybrid..
So ppl buy them not because they have an electric motor, but because it does have a lower theoretical Co2 rating and gets some advantages like being tax-free
fathom socket
hybrids tend to have higher Co2 emissions because they never use thier electric engine but have to carry the additional weight of the 2nd propulsion system
stoic ledge
VW has quite a lot of PHEVs now
dense shard
Hybrids always use their electric motors.
Honda hybrids are designed to almost exclusively use the electric motors.
fathom socket
Well... Most of all hybrid car users just drive the normal gasoline part of the vehicle and disable recuperation because they want to let roll out the car and use the mechanical brake
dense shard
You can't disable that.
fathom socket
Sadly, you can.
fathom socket
Tell that VW, Mercedes, Audi & BMW
dense shard
Something no one does.
They fucked with their emissions.
Last I checked Mercedes hybrid systems are mild, and are literally built into the car. There's no way to turn it off.
VW barely builds any hybrids.
fathom socket
I mean, I even can turn off recuperation (engine>generator braking) in my full electric car.
stoic ledge
The Dutch EV grant is €4k for a new EV for private owner, sadly they only had a budget for 277 cars
dense shard
They're programmed into the operation of the car.
stoic ledge
So the entire budget was empty within 24 hours
dense shard
At least it was used.
stoic ledge
Sure, but then make it 1000€ so 4* more people can receive something, or €500 for 8* more
People would still buy them
dense shard
Worth it in Europe.
fathom socket
The fun part:
While the automotive companies themselves try to advertise all-electric vehicles, their own car dealerships mostly advise against an electric vehicle, even if the user profile 100% matches.
dense shard
Yes.
That's why we should allow direct sales from automaker to customer.
We don't need dealers.
fathom socket
Thats what companies like VW did... The contract/payment all goes to the VW group direct, while the dealerships just get a fixed payment and are only there for support & consultation
U may see the issue
stoic ledge
VW in 🇳🇱 is the worst, the importer buys the cars without warranty from VW and then "provides" the warranty themselves
So they don't
And where in many other countries cars got good warranty services for many things (TSI, DSG...), they didn't in 🇳🇱
dense shard
VW in the US stopped caring again.
A few years ago they offered a 7 year warranty. 72k miles.
They stopped it, and now it's 2 years 24k miles. For reasons.
fathom socket
What again did Tesla offer? 8yrs or 200k miles?
stoic ledge
It has never been more than 2 years for VW here 
Tesla changes their warranty every 3 weeks
stoic ledge
Many EVs are now being sold with 6y/100k mile warranty here
dense shard
oh, oof
fathom socket
I dont like the ID series. Im happy I got an eUP
dense shard
Also VW in the US doesn't do direct payments.
It's a dealer franchise model last I checked.
civic spoke
Most manufacturers have different warranties depending on drivetrain and other stuff.
dense shard
Tesla's issues aren't usually drivetrain related.
civic spoke
EV's motors are stupid simple. So they pretty much won't ever have issues with those.
stoic ledge
I don't think the ID.3 is a bad car (although a lot of questionable decisions were made), but their tech is still buggy AF
civic spoke
I wished it was more of a normal car. And less of a tech show case.
dense shard
That's the way it's going.
charred depot
the motors simple yes but they find plenty of places to add in confusers ahead of it, basically dealer only when it goes wrong.
dense shard
Dealers don't care to get it right.
stoic ledge
I don't mind it having screens, but the implementations of those screens
fathom socket
For my next car after the eUP I wait on the CT..
Does only have one or two screens, but thats fine.
dense shard
CT?
fathom socket
CyberTruck
dense shard
I doubt it will be sold in Europe.
fathom socket
& I'm an optimistic person.
stoic ledge
It won't
warm sparrow
It won't for sure
stoic ledge
It's more likely to see the EV F150
fathom socket
Size & pedestrian Safety is no reason why it couldnt get allowed in europe or germany tbh.
warm sparrow
lol this things could NEVER be legal on the road here
dense shard
CyberTruck is already too big for the US.
charred depot
itd need the front cut off and replaced with plastic heh
stoic ledge
Size & pedestrian Safety is no reason why it couldnt get allowed in europe or ge...
Yes it is
dense shard
Pedestrian safety is the #1 reason it won't get allowed in Europe.
fathom socket
Cybertruck is about average pickup size in US
civic spoke
It's about the size of the F150
fathom socket
And the F150 Raptor is an average pickup
stoic ledge
Every car looks like how they do now for pedestrian protection
dense shard
it isn't.
charred depot
more talking about width
dense shard
The Raptor is shorter.
But much wider.
F150 crew cab with 6'5 bed is very common.
Most trucks offer a crew cab variation.
charred depot
model x's are already too wide here
civic spoke
While you are waiting for the cubertruck, others will catch up and start to produce their own product.
stoic ledge
Last time I've checked the F150 didn't have a 90° angle of aluminum sticking out of the front
civic spoke
When is the cybertruck even being produced and released?
dense shard
soon™️
civic spoke
Do we have any details how it will look like other than the reveal stuff?
fathom socket
Pedestrian safety is the #1 reason it won't get allowed in Europe.
Thats just false information. The question never was if its getting a permission as personell transportation vehicle (in german PKW). But most trucks, 40t ones, offroad vehicles with road allowance & construction site vehicles do have even worse "pedestrian safety" than the CT
stoic ledge
When production starrs, is, European even the chance of getting it on European roads is still years away
dense shard
That's a bold claim considering we know almost nothing about the Cyber Truck.
To sell in Europe you must meet minimum regulations.
civic spoke
It's rumored to start production in late 2021. With more options coming in 2022. So not really that close yet.
dense shard
Tesla can potentially avoid those in the US since trucks over a certain weight aren't subject to crash tests.
stoic ledge
Thats just false information. The question never was if its getting a permission...
Nobody is going to purchase a Cybertruck and register it as a PKW, and I'd say even a massive cab-over is more pedestrian friendly as it's 100% plastic in the front
civic spoke
If it doesn't fit in the 3,500 kg weight range. Then it won't really sell in Europe.
dense shard
Or 40t trucks... or y'know... other things?
fathom socket
Nobody is going to purchase a Cybertruck and register it as a PKW, and I'd say e...
The Cybertruck is intended to be below 3,5t in weight.
dense shard
It won't be.
It will be a fucking heavy truck.
All steel, massive battery, AWD.
F150 weighs anywhere from 4000-5000 pounds.
stoic ledge
Don't you need a specific license to drive a PKW?
Yes
civic spoke
It's very likely that the cybertruck will be in the 3,000 kg range kerb weight.
fathom socket
There was a big rumor on german media that the CT never could get a vehicle registration in Germany because the "TÜV" mentioned that.
But bad for the TÜV, that they do not decide if a car gets a registration
stoic ledge
When it's over 3000kg, don't forget you can only put up to 3500kg total in it including passengers and cargo
dense shard
That's fine in that case.
It's not like the CyberTruck will ever get used as a truck.
stoic ledge
So if it ways 3250kg, you can only put like 2-3 persons in it without any cargo
dense shard
It's going to be the greatest lot queen you have ever seen.
And man oh man that stainless steel body is gonna look distressed after a few months.
civic spoke
A big problem with the weight is really that we can only speculate. Since there are no real numbers yet.
dense shard
According to Tesla.
It's going to be a medium duty truck.
That's going to put it against serious competition.
fathom socket
The Model X weights less than 2,5t..
And the steel of the CT is supposed to cause less weight than aluminium chassis. Ofc the CT is supposed to have a higher battery size.
dense shard
I'll believe it when I see it.
civic spoke
I find places say anywhere between 5,000 and 6,500 pounds.
dense shard
That's heavier than an F150 on average.
civic spoke
Should depend on the version. Guessing that the tri-motor one will be in the upper range. So closer to that 3,000 kg mark.
dense shard
And if we're going on Tesla's size claim... their tow ratings look less brilliant.
They're up against the heavy duty lines from Ford, GM, and FCA. Meaning they gotta compete against diesels.
Honestly. Almost everything we know about Tesla is pure speculation.
civic spoke
fathom socket
I just searched a bit..
In fact, the Cybertruck could get a plate in Germany, if you register it as M1(G) or N1(G).
But that information is - similar like the statement that it wont get a plate - only speculation as long as it isnt out yet.
civic spoke
I don't know what those registrations mean.
dense shard
And does M1(G) or whatever require a license or special endorsement?
charred depot
in the UK you can only drive up to 3.5 tonnes on a normal drivers license nowadays
fathom socket
Its the european categorization standard for vehicle classifikations
charred depot
my parents can do like 8 tonnes or something cause of grandfather rights
civic spoke
Okay. So means that it can only go up to 3,500 kg. I take it.
charred depot
yeah that includes anything in the vehicle n trailers sorta tho
civic spoke
Yeah, I know that.
dense shard
That's going to be tight.
civic spoke
Meaning that it wouldn't be able to tow anything with the heavier version of the cybertruck.
Unless you registered it as a heavy duty truck.
And got yourself a CE license.
charred depot
sounds like fun
itd be a monster truck where i live though so theres no chance its coming here
fathom socket
To make things simplier:
Vehicles such as campers, and busses are M1.
M stands for person transport
N for material transport
G stands for offroad
dense shard
That sounds like a special license requirement.
fathom socket
M1G vehicles are allowed to weight 5t and tow an additional 3,5t*
civic spoke
dense shard
I get these sizes, but my question remains.
Do you need to take extra tests for these whatevers?
charred depot
i would
dense shard
And you live in the EU, right?
dense shard
oh, RIP
civic spoke
A normal license will only allow you to drive a vehicle weighing at most 3,500 kg in Europe.
charred depot
muh license
dense shard
I'm still not sure how Tesla is going to go about certifying their tow ratings in the US.
civic spoke
fathom socket
And about the weight..
Even if its 7,5tons, doing C1 isnt that hard.
dense shard
It's still extra work most don't want to go through.
charred depot
tis expensive is it not
fathom socket
C1 is like... the requirement if you work in the transportation/industry business
charred depot
like a grand
fathom socket
like a grand
U know, that doing a normal PKW/B license costs 1-2k alone?
dense shard
That's really expensive.
civic spoke
If you want to drive anything more than 3,500 kg for work. Then you also require further stuff. You require something called Work Competence. Or whatever it is in English.
fathom socket
Do yourself a favor and search for what u need to pay and do in order to get a B license in Germany 😄
charred depot
me in the UK paying like £60 for a test
dense shard
And I can't read German.
fathom socket
civic spoke
Me getting a license to tow trailers with trucks (CE) will be at least €1,500.
charred depot
so many people here tow tonnes without their B and E
fathom socket
If I remember an american reporter statement:
Doing a driving license in Germany would allow you to fly for South-West American airlines
stoic ledge
muh license
What's fkq
charred depot
farmers shit
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
M1G vehicles are allowed to weight 5t and tow an additional 3,5t*
Can't drive that with my B-license
dense shard
okay... so taking a license in Germany means you can only operate one type of vehicle.
SouthWest Airlines is notable for only flying one aircraft type.
civic spoke
80% of the theory tests for C and CE are just the normal car-license stuff.
charred depot
i hate the hazard perception stuff
civic spoke
Same.
fathom socket
it compromises of several practical lessons in different conditions (city, country, autobahn >120kph & during night)
Several lessons also in theory. usually a 20-30 hours for each, more if you have difficulties.
U need to do a theoretical exam and need to pass with less than 10 errors.
Also need to do a practical test within a city with both your instructor and inspector
Standard time it takes to get a license: 2-4 Months.
Money: 1-2k€
dense shard
Size, pedestrian safety, and apparently weight, remain concerns.
And frankly, I question the truck's ability to be a truck in the US.
civic spoke
"Driver Certificate of Professional Competence"
That's what it's called in English.
fathom socket
My instructor wanted me to drive at least* 125mph ^^
dense shard
Unibodies have fared poorly in the US.
charred depot
i dont even know if my car could get to 125
dense shard
High bed sides make it questionable for 5th wheel applications.
civic spoke
You require that if you want to use vehicles weighing more than 3,500 kg for anything work related.
fathom socket
I learned driving in a Mercedes C220
tired lake
We'll see if CT can or will be sold in Europe.
for it to be legal, it'd need to fit in standard lane widths. otherwise you wouldn't be allowed more than 10 km/h with warning lights constantly blinkig
charred depot
i learned in the high performance vehicle: vauxhall corsa.
civic spoke
Which is a 140 hour course that you need to take. Along with a test.
The fastest vehicle you can have is always the rental.
charred depot
someone here drove their instructors car into a hedge and still passed
dense shard
US tests are easy.
charred depot
deep scratches in the paint
charred depot
narrow roads
dense shard
Japan's test less so.
tired lake
but why did they pass lmao
fathom socket
for it to be legal, it'd need to fit in standard lane widths. otherwise you woul...
Funfact: Tesla Motors already offers preordering the CT especially in Germany
charred depot
it wasnt really a big issue
stoic ledge
I learned driving in a Renault Clio IV 1.5 dCi
charred depot
i dink my mirror into the hedge often enough
dense shard
Tesla offers preorders to everyone with 100 dollars.
If they'll actually sell it there is another question.
fathom socket
And to be honest, Im living countryside. We do not even have roads with markings. So Autopilot doesnt interest me. But wheel size & ground clearance, resistance against scratches from rubble etc does interest me severley.
civic spoke
Tesla offers preorders to everyone with 100 dollars.
That's just so that they can stats-pad.
dense shard
And stats have been padded very well.
civic spoke
"Hey look at us! Look at how many pre-orders that we have!"
stoic ledge
Funfact: Tesla Motors already offers preordering the CT especially in Germany
Also in 🇳🇱 but they can just refund it, it's not a big deal
civic spoke
When it comes to people actually paying for the vehicles, then it's a different story.
stoic ledge
Accepting pre-orders and actually selling the product are 2 different things
dense shard
A lot of Model 3 owners dropped their preorders.
civic spoke
It's also $100 with zero commitment.
charred depot
isnt it kind of scuffed they can do it with no expecation of actually selling the product in that country
fathom socket
44 grand for an high performance offroad electric vehicle doesnt sound expensive to me
tired lake
I think here in germany it would be illegal to have the hedge so close to the road (not quite sure tho)
dense shard
44 grand compared to the 30k for a Jeep.
charred depot
send the hedge to jail
fathom socket
44 grand compared to the 30k for a Jeep.
So a big win for the electric vehicle
dense shard
Not really?
Cause when we're comparing truck to truck.
You can get a work truck for less... and it will tow more.
fathom socket
15k difference for the ease of no engine repairs/maintenance, no oil checks, no refuel station, no sound, higher engine performance.
charred depot
hedges are a nice soft crash barrier provided by nature.
tired lake
electric = no taxes in germany (for a few years still, after that determined by weight so maybe CT won't be that great...)
dense shard
You still need to recharge... which still takes much longer to do than refueling.
fathom socket
Specifically in the North.
Indeed, but not as extensively as for gasoline vehicles.
dense shard
Tow range will be crippled.
Also range itself collapses in winter up North.
30% less range in the base model would make it useless.
It's a wonderful mall crawler, but as an actual thing to use... kinda crap.
civic spoke
Oh, the Cybertruck doesn't even have a price over here in Sweden.
fathom socket
Also range itself collapses in winter up North.
That I can not confirm.
With my current eUP I drive like with every other car when I'm on the road.
Left lane max speed & climate control with more than 20°C difference to outside temp. Didnt drain much more..
dense shard
Try winters that go -30 C.
civic spoke
There's just a price for the self-driving stuff. Which is over 77,000 SEK for it.
dense shard
And it's not faster drain, it's flat out less range.
fathom socket
Well... Didnt drain much more to when I use the car in the summer, as its the exact same scenario, just cooling down instead of heating up while driving Vmax
dense shard
Than you are unique.
Because 90% of EVs lose a noticeable amount of range.
The other 10% are lying.
fathom socket
I'm one of those german stereotypes who drive the max speed allowed or slightly above it whenever they can. That includes 200kph/125mph+ when the car and the autobahn allows to
tired lake
we have no winters im germany that go -30° C, in fact they even got up to 16-20° C in the last years
dense shard
... yeah.
fathom socket
Usually we have -10°C in winter
dense shard
Real winters will kill battery.
stoic ledge
we have no winters im germany that go -30° C, in fact they even got up to 16-20°...
Heavily depends on the region tho
fathom socket
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/winter-range-test-1...
I see no significant change.
My eUP is stated with 220km range. I never got above 160 tbh
dense shard
That's pretty horrible.
stoic ledge
-30 is maybe excessive but it does get quite cold in certain area's
160km range for a 38kWh battery isn't good
dense shard
fathom socket
Actually, the eUP is stated by the manufacturer with 260km Range. By the ADAC with 220km and realistically I get 160
tired lake
Heavily depends on the region tho
yeah, 16-20 is just the peaks, but I've never heard of -30° anywhere inside of germany
fathom socket
Also how did you manage 200km/h in the eUP?
I never said I did.
fathom socket
160km range for a 38kWh battery isn't good
32kWh netto
dense shard
I'm one of those german stereotypes who drive the max speed allowed or slightly above it whenever they can. That includes 200kph/125mph+ when the car and the autobahn allows to
Your sentence implies otherwise.
tired lake
so what does the car allow
dense shard
130 km/h apparently.
fathom socket
Google Maps says about 135 over a duration of 20min
dense shard
wut
tired lake
so they could just put a gearbox in?
fathom socket
btw is there a reason why Vmax is always so low with electric cars?
Tesla Model 3 can drive 261kph (>155mph)
dense shard
Also, if we're being totally honest.
tired lake
Tesla Model 3 can drive 261kph (>155mph)
compared to ICE thats nothing
dense shard
Going over 70mph in an EV is stupid.
You are defeating the point of efficiency by going faster.
fathom socket
compared to ICE thats nothing
compared to planes thats nothing
stoic ledge
Range goes down like crazy
dense shard
good thing we're talking about cars.
And yes, compared to ICE, EV top speeds are a far cry.
fathom socket
I'm a bad example for a BEV driver.
I'm about speed. I don't care much about Co2 and do own a gasoline quad for fun
tired lake
so why the eUp then? I would really like to buy an ev, but 130km/h vmax is just too low
fathom socket
I wanted to have a BEV. It does sufficient service for my current needs and budget.
stoic ledge
so why the eUp then? I would really like to buy an ev, but 130km/h vmax is just ...
Because it's cheap
civic spoke
eUP is cheap-cheap-cheap. And you get heaps of incentives for buying EV.
So cost up-front is low.
fathom socket
My driving style may result in a netto range 60% of the "official" one stated available, but thats still sufficient for me... and tbh I estimated/assumed already that the realistic range only is a bit more than half of what the manufacturer tries to state.
dense shard
130 km/h i splenty.
civic spoke
130 kmh is enough for me, too. Generally the fastest I go during my commute to work.
fathom socket
130kph/80mph may be sufficient for most other countries.
For german standards, thats F slow.
tired lake
130 km/h i splenty.
I disagree, but it probably is for most people
dense shard
It is for most people.
stoic ledge
Idk 130 is just below my cruising speeds, and I need some more for overtaking
dense shard
Because in most countries, the speed limits are there.
fathom socket
Non-autobahn speed limit is 100kph.
LKWs/Trucks drive 70-80kph, so thats still easy overtaking.
stoic ledge
130kph/80mph may be sufficient for most other countries.
For german standards, t...
Meh I've driven plenty of times in Germany, loads of area's aren't unrestricted, and when it's unrestricted you're already going "fast" when doing 130 excluding the few going 200+
fathom socket
My previous car was a Golf 3 Cabrio Bon Jovi
tired lake
yeah a lot of folks just put 120 cruise control to not have to worry about restricted areas
stoic ledge
Germany also has the habit of using different speed limits every 300 meter, which is ridiculous
fathom socket
Meh I've driven plenty of times in Germany, loads of area's aren't unrestricted,...
In my parents car (C320) I tend to be one of those 200+
stoic ledge
Cool
tired lake
In my parents car (C320) I tend to be one of those 200+
same 
fathom socket
Idk if that is "cool" ...
Imo all others are just slow
I literally like to go after the saying:
We paid for the whole car, we gotta use the whole car.
civic spoke
Non-autobahn speed limit is 100kph.
LKWs/Trucks drive 70-80kph, so thats still e...
They max out at 90 kmh.
stoic ledge
So you're one of the slow guys as well
fathom socket
Then why don't you drive 200km/h in your up?
May do that in the Cybertruck.
Sound shouldnt be an issue when u drive 200kph with 35" offroad tires
tired lake
also depends which autobahn you're driving on tho (and at which time), some are just too full to drive fast, others are practically empty
civic spoke
I probably wouldn't be driving 200 kmh on the autobahn with my E46, even when it can do it.
stoic ledge
Lol sure thing
stoic ledge
Have fun driving from charger to charger every 100km
tired lake
just buy a diesel 
civic spoke
fathom socket
Fuel consumption is a B.ch.
That was one major reason I wanted an electric car.
Dont need to drive to a fuel station and have the pain of paying physical money.
dense shard
wut
civic spoke
I'd love to own an EV and just plug it in each day.
charred depot
beh i only use pay at pumps
civic spoke
But it doesn't work where I live.
fathom socket
8L/100km ... What a dream number 
charred depot
gotta get my tesco clubcard points
dense shard
A gas station trip is 4 minutes and a swipe of the credit card.
civic spoke
8L/100km ... What a dream number <:POGGERS:454516803796860928>
Total average is 7.68 L/100 km.
dense shard
I haven't used actual bills to pay for gas in... okay 2 years.
tired lake
for some reason german gas stations tend to not have the credit card option
dense shard
I used money in Japan. It was easier.
civic spoke
I just press some buttons on my phone and it unlocks the pump.
And then it's paid for and all.
fathom socket
Average on my parents C320 is about... maybe 13L?
Mercedes states the engine/car with 4L
charred depot
just put your card into the machine here
fathom socket
the 4L is when you drive sensibly on country roads
What are those funny words you used there?
charred depot
i get 5.88l / 100km in my ecobox
civic spoke
Work truck gets like 27 L/100 km.
fathom socket
The most useless feature in cars: Ecomode
dense shard
dunno, I like em.
charred depot
my car is stuck in eco mode
civic spoke
Truck as Eco and Power mode. But it's generally just how it holds the gears.
tired lake
i used to drive my parents c200d and it actually got 4.5 in ecomode when I wanted it too... but with my usual driving style, 8.5
fathom socket
I tried ecomode in my eUP...
it just turns of the climate control, reduces engine performance & max speed..
So... in essence just a speed limiter.
Eco: 120kph
Eco+: 90kph
charred depot
my car has little confuserisation
dense shard
that's the point.
fathom socket
that's the point.
Thats nothing someone couldnt do themselves when they want to save up fuel/power.
Shut down climate, accelerate slower and drive slower.
charred depot
someone i knows selling a hyundai stellar but id feel bad owning a actual classic
£1k though
dense shard
Limiting HVAC and acceleration is not something everyone knows how to do.
civic spoke
Tru.
stoic ledge
I like that Hyundai's and Kia's often have a driver only setting
civic spoke
So just pressing a button to get more range is something people might appreciate.
fathom socket
Limiting HVAC and acceleration is not something everyone knows how to do.
Thats just sad...
Almost as sad as the women which tried fueling a Tesla Model S up on a gasoline station.
civic spoke
Rental?
dense shard
Not everyone is good with cars.
tired lake
Not everyone is good with cars.
back to the topic of driving license... tho I sometimes also wonder how stupid some people can be even after receiving all that education
charred depot
shame they arent more loved despite how rare they are here.
mortal jolt
civic spoke
I have the G923
stark sentinel
prime valve
anyone like the old audies or mercedes ?
civic girder
The 1995 Toyota gang has begun
scenic prism
anyone got any good reccomendations for a manual car that has a hatchback with a sporty feel
I have come up with the Volkswagen golf gti as best option
stark sentinel
anyone got any good reccomendations for a manual car that has a hatchback with a...
You’ve just described a textbook definition of a Golf Gti so I think that’s your answer
scenic prism
Lmao
stark sentinel
Or a used focus rs
Maybe a civic type R but you either love or hate that car
Or a Toyota GR Yaris, they look nice
flint sable
used focus RS please
ember dove
speed 3
civic girder
does it have a v6 ?
I doubt you could engine swap anything into a Previa tbh. The frame/chassis/drivetrain is designed specifically for the whacky uniqueness of what it is. Why it exists? We will never know. But I sure am glad it exists. Its the most based family car Toyota's ever made, followed closely by the Corolla
civic girder
fuckin 2.4L inline 4 that consumes 6.2 quarts of oil
its impressive how large the capacity is for how small the motor is
I also like in the service info:
"Supercharger Oil:
TOYOTA Supercharger Oil or equivalent"
jade oyster
sturdy solar
anyone like the old audies or mercedes ?
Yes
wide comet
warm sparrow
I doubt you could engine swap anything into a Previa tbh. The frame/chassis/driv...
there is a version with a v6 turbo (but maybe not this generation)
stoic ledge
there is a version with a v6 turbo (but maybe not this generation)
Later models were available with a V6 (used in basically every Toyota) but it didn't have a turbo
warm sparrow
i thought there were one with turbo 🤔
fathom socket
I need a car
warm sparrow
buy one
warm sparrow
🤔
charred depot
fixeth vehicular
charred depot
so it needs fixethed
fathom socket
I would need to take a photo of my focus where the issue is
can't even find a picture of a random focus that shows that part
and IDK how it's even called
civic girder
"Just gonna check my oil real quick"
civic girder
Toyota has made the coolest mid engined cars.
civic girder
Indeed
Idk if the Previas engine was in anything else. It's a really weird setup
I swear, there's some weird shit going on under there of a 2.4L 4 cylinder needs 6L of oil
civic spoke
Btw. Mid-engined Corolla-powered = Lotus.
fathom socket
Why are Europeans convinced that Golf GTI's are the best cars ever?
civic spoke
Because it's a well rounded car. That can do most of what you ask of it.
fathom socket
Except be reliable
civic girder
Btw. Mid-engined Corolla-powered = Lotus.
But Lotus isn't owned by Toyota, right?
So even if it's got a Toyota power plant, it's just not the same
civic spoke
But Lotus isn't owned by Toyota, right?
So even if it's got a Toyota power plant...
Aye. But still a Corolla engine.
civic girder
MR-2 did it better imo. But ye
civic spoke
Lexus is 👌
fathom socket
I have a friend that I've been trying to buy an MR2 off of for several years.
civic girder
Lol
fathom socket
It's literally been sitting for ten years, and has bad brake lines.
civic girder
Oof
fathom socket
I offered $2k, and they say that it's worth waaay more than that.
And that they will get around to fixing it.
civic girder
What year?
fathom socket
Yeah I think so.
fathom socket
It's been sitting for ten years.
civic girder
Still, it's a rare model. If it's fine other than surface rust and brake lines, it's worth more than $2k
civic girder
Ah, in that case it's probably worth $2k as it is
fathom socket
I wanted it so I could swap some weird engine into.
It's sat outside in Indiana weather, engine is probably locked up.
civic girder
Oh, f
fathom socket
The reason why the brake lines never got replaced was because the bolts were so rusted that they couldn't get them loose without rocking the whole car on the jackstands.
I don't think it's even worth $2k
He swears it's worth a whole lot.
He told me at least $8k
ember dove
Have to flex with the mr2 talk
charred depot
thats one stubby jack