Which is something I actually like
#cars
errant dagger
dense shard
Well... Mercedes and BMW aside.
errant dagger
I prefer hard aggressive angles
turbid vale
i mean if you look at the 2019 ford taurus ist still rounded as hell it just has more pronounced divots
errant dagger
One of the coolest fords ever made in my opinion
dense shard
Ford isn't a great example tbh. Their current Taurus is last decade styling.
dense shard
I wouldn't say rounded anything anymore. The new Corolla is pretty snazzy all things considered.
errant dagger
I do own a 2014 ford focus aswell, its an alright car. Nothing to special really, but the looks aint that bad.
Titanium Sport edition so makes it look a little better
turbid vale
gotta have more dive planes on suburban vehicles cause reasons
more scoops and naca ducts
errant dagger
I don't mind that
dense shard
Angles and aggressive lines are the way to go.
And no superfluous ducts/vents/slashes.
turbid vale
but when I go get my groceries I expect my Toyota Camri to go 140mph both ways
It needs the schoops
errant dagger
Why is Auto's so popular in the US?
dense shard
Convenience.
errant dagger
In Europe its mandatory that you learn to drive with a manual for your driving test.
errant dagger
I dont really get how its that convenient. I mean sure it removes an element of driving, but its not like manual is hard.
And its way more expensive if it fails.
Usually anyway
dense shard
America is the land of 1000 mile journeys, traffic jams, and eating on the go.
Also modern automatics are smoother, just as reliable, and much better on gas.
errant dagger
I mean if you're travelling 1000 miles I'm sure like 90% of that will be on the highway where you dont shift a lot anyway.
turbid vale
shit thats like....here to california every summer
turbid vale
actually take that back as soon as you get close to california the traffic starts even on the highway
dense shard
Automatics are 100% more convenient.
errant dagger
Then you downshift a couple of times then upshift again, big deal
dense shard
Not that easy.
Cause traffic isn't going fast enough to do the couple of times.
You're feathering your clutch for an hour or so.
Maybe you'll get into second.
turbid vale
you gotta be out in the dakotas
dense shard
I am now.
errant dagger
You're making it into a problem which it isnt tho, how can we drive effectively here in Europe then? Where most people are on manuals
dense shard
I don't see what the issue is with automatics?
errant dagger
I agree an auto is a lot more comfortable if you have to deal with traffic jams daily tho
turbid vale
Europe has some pretty decent stretches of road though
dense shard
They're easier, more convenient, and better on gas.
turbid vale
its not all dense city
dense shard
Very few people care about "driving pleasure."
Europe goes for manuals because they're cheap.
errant dagger
That is true
dense shard
Cars are expensive enough as it stands.
turbid vale
in the US as soon as you hit a big city like vegas or LA, especially LA shit just stops
dense shard
In the US. You're spending northing of 40 grand anyway. Why go for a less convenient option?
errant dagger
Yeah I can imagine that, I've never been to the US
turbid vale
I remember being in traffic off the highway and into LA for like 2 hours
dense shard
Forget Vegas. Think Chicago or Atlanta.
turbid vale
hell naw
dense shard
And once you hit the open roads. An automatic transmission will be better on gas.
turbid vale
and forget about their spaghetti bowls as well
errant dagger
I would never rent a car if I went to the US
turbid vale
they don't make anything faster just more jammed up
errant dagger
I've seen to many vids on random police pullovers where they get aggressive and as a foreigner you do one wrong move and they pull on you.
dense shard
If you aren't breaking the law, they won't pull you over.
turbid vale
You don't like people here constantly renting dodge chargers?
the 2018's
they're pretty cosey on the interior
dense shard
It's not like they're V8s.
errant dagger
@dense shard Breaking traffic law in a foreign country could be done unintentionally tho, missunderstand signs, different traffic habits / laws etc.
dense shard
Read up on it, and you'll be fine.
turbid vale
@dense shard true
errant dagger
Yeah true I would, if I was to go there and drive.
dense shard
I drove in Japan for a few years. No issues outside of a few traffic habits thing.
Turns out people ignore speeding cameras there.
Sometimes.
turbid vale
they do the same thing in south korea
cause they just automate their tickets
for whatever reason we haven't implimented that here
but they got plenty of ticket cameras in south korea
but people ignore it and just speed anyway
errant dagger
Thanks for the chat folks, ima head off. 4:11AM here now.
dense shard
Automated cameras should be banned.
They don't make for safer roads, local governments don't get more money, and private information isn't protected.
dense shard
local government surprised to get bill from private company that runs speed cameras
lol
indigo coral
You can't face your accuser in court or anything
indigo coral
Lol
fathom socket
I broke the fitting to my headlight washer t and dumped like a gallon of washer solvent on the floor earlier
dense shard
oof
Headlight washer will remain a novelty in the US.
despite the fact that we could probably use em.
compact thorn
uh no it has real launch control
throw the dsg into s
take off trac control
hold the brake and put the gas to 3000-3400 revs
hold for 3 secs and then woosh
fathom socket
I redlined a geo for so long without much coolant today
It was really steamy
Also I am in the US
fathom socket
I got the geo tracker
compact thorn
those are good
fathom socket
It is rwd with a transfer case so I can also do 4wd and 4L
This one used to be a manual but has an automatic now
dense shard
Geos are cute.
charred depot
its the exact same one
compact thorn
rusty is an understatement
charred depot
just needs some minor welding
fathom socket
this what one of my ex friends is driving
idk how does he pass inspection with a car like this
charred depot
here that things a light year away from a pass
Wanted a welding project but actually want to be able to insure and drive it when i finally finish it
slim peak
civic spoke
civic spoke
They aren't bad at all.
sturdy solar
patent oasis
stoic ledge
Fortune Island
mossy nova
hello
fathom socket
which is...
tawny basalt
inb4 door keypad
civic spoke
fathom socket
which is...
The wipers stop on the windshield when it's cold
civic spoke
If Americans vehicles are so good. Why aren't they dominating all markets?
GM, FCA, Ford only account for something like 45% of the US market.
Everywhere else it is much, much worse.
Btw. Their market share in USA is shrinking.
normal temple
dense shard
Easy answer. In the 50s and 60s, American automakers had no real competition. Toyota, Honda, Nissan either didn't exist, were still making motorcycles, or had just started selling in their home markets.
The Koreans were literally rebuilding from smoldering rubble.
VW had maybe two cars in their lineup.
Dominance of a market doesn't make your products good.
civic spoke
American automakers are mainly looking at short term profits.
dense shard
I'm not entirely sure I agree with that anymore.
I don't think they're doing a great job preparing for the future, but the entire industry is shifting towards crossovers.
Why invest in a marketshare that's shrinking rapidly... especially if your company has struggled there in the past?
Fact remains that Americans love their big stuff. SUVs and trucks are the main sellers right now, and the big three are 100% investing properly into those markets.
okay, this video is... pulling facts out of their ass.
GM has a 13% market share in China. Second only to VW. I wouldn't say Europe has runaway from the US in the biggest automarket in the world.
And saying the "Europeans dominate the US market" is disingenuous at best.
In order from biggest in 2019: GM, Ford, Toyota, FCA, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Subaru is below 5%.
VW at 3.8%. Daimler and BMW have 2%, then Mazda and Tesla make up the rest.
The Europeans in total make up maybe 10%... and those brands very very notably exclude Peugeot, Renault, and Citroen.
Also more to the point. VW has spent the last 30 years in the US trying to actually make a splash. They've failed on every account. They never gained the traction they have elsewhere. Question is why and how.
This video has a lot just... it feels as if he's bashing American makers for the sake of it. "American automakers failed to adapt to foreign markets."
Great... if you ignore Ford of Europe who still produce the Focus and Fiesta? And the flags in the video... Japan and India? Both of those markets are wildly native focused... no one has broken into Japan, and India is even worse. Suzuki absolutely dominates that market. 50% marketshare last I checked.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
fathom socket
Why does BMW owners have lice se to blind people
charred depot
police hate when you have fog lights on here with little to no fog
literal criminal scum if you do
dense shard
Fog lights in a clear situation are about as appropriate as high beams in high traffic?
charred depot
yeah im not saying the police are wrong
stoic ledge
Meh fog lights don't blind as much as high beams
charred depot
just funny how hard they go after people that do it
stoic ledge
But I agree with the popo, don't use them unless it's foggy
full bough
Considering buying a Focus ST as a lil fun/project car. For no more expensive than they are, seems like a solid choice.
sterile holly
there's no reason not to have your fog lights on during the day. it's for increased visibility
DRL runs all the time too
full bough
The only time I see fog lights being a problem are on those big ass for no reason trucks where they are eye level.
charred depot
days here are pretty dark so can be brutal
sterile holly
well trucks.... that's a whole different level
charred depot
even brake lights get to me after a while
sterile holly
i think truck owners are just on the road to blind other people.... most people don't even use them for their intended purpose
around here anyway
full bough
Yeah, people here will lift their trucks to the moon and put goofy wheels on them, to never even be off road. I think its some kind of complex or something.
But I digress.
sterile holly
full bough
Those colors though
charred depot
anyone with a lifted truck should be sent to wales
fair bronze
Oddly specific
flint sable
maiden steeple
I found this on YouTube
copper oyster
I'm trying to get some TFSI A4 audio
Audi*
Like 2008-2012. Cert preowned or idk
Well it's a bit too old for that
Anyone have any experience with those? What mileage should I avoid; which year should I avoid like the plague, etc?
I hear the 2001 and earlier are good but I ain't trying to go grandpop style
haha
(Insurance, etc)
dense shard
Avoid em all, imo.
Older VWs aren't known to be reliable, durable, or cheap to repair.
Some people swear by em, some people hate em.
wooden bay
if you guys see a guy with a 2020 Mercedes Benz please take the time out of you day to spit on him
fathom socket
why
full bough
Is it just me, or does it seem like the dude in the BMW is always the asshole on the road?
molten skiff
That is true
fathom socket
For me it just seems like every 4th driver
Although the odds do increase for either an SUV owner or a exec saloon
median egret
hh
karmic verge
Nah, it's always the person in a prius
They either go 5 below the speed limit or 25 above. Never use turn signals, always have a sticker on their car.
full bough
Nah, it's always the person in a prius
Idk, I see far more headasses in BMWs
Theres some kind of stigma with cars like that. People seem to think because they're a little more expensive, they're better than others on the road. When in reality, my truck costs just as much as that M3, if not more. And its still stock and nothing crazy.
flint sable
Was in car while an aggressive base 3 series pushed up behind us
Was tailgating us for a bit then saw the badge on the back of the car
Immediately backed off
full bough
Usually when someone tailgates me I just take my foot off the accelerator and coast for a bit, then they try to pass and I just pull away. Petty, I know, but it sure feels good. Especially since im usually going 5-10 over the limit anyway.
civic girder
They either go 5 below the speed limit or 25 above. Never use turn signals, alwa...
I don't fit this description at all lol
My car is free from stickers, at least for now, and I drive at or around 4-5 over the limit
And I always use turn signals
I always see BMWs, Mercedes, and Nissans being driven by asshats. With a vast majority of SUVs and the afornentioned cars never using turn signals
Then performance cars usually get driven by asshats too. Lane weaving and/or speeding excessively, and ofc not using turn signals
full bough
Then performance cars usually get driven by asshats too. Lane weaving and/or spe...
I have a "performance" car, but I dont drive like that unless I'm alone on the road.
I can have my fun away from people for the most part
civic girder
Jeeps and trucks (mainly modified trucks) are also bad. They like to cut people off and speed
full bough
I also have a truck lmao, but its not modified at all
civic girder
Yea
I just chill while driving. I hover around the speed limit bc I like to drive efficiently to save on gas. And I always use signals and try to merge/change lanes to make way for faster traffic
I have my fun accelerating from stops up to the speed limit. Beyond that, I just save it for closed courses
full bough
My truck is a diesel, so I dont save on fuel at all. My BRZ does alright on fuel. A little better after the turbo add on. Even if I drive the car harder now lol
civic girder
Lol
My RX-7 does pretty crap on gas even when i try to be efficient lol
At least it gets low-mid 20s
The Corolla gets low 30s, and the Prius is high 40s
I've got a nice balance lel
full bough
I think I average like 15-18 on the high end in my truck. and like 24-26 in my car.
I could squeeze more out of the car, but I like having fun too much
civic girder
I can't imagine getting that poor of economy on the regular
I still cringe when I think about the times when the RX-7 was averaging 13
full bough
Well my truck weighs probably close to 7000lbs, so its not surprising.
fathom socket
i dont know what i get in my car but i dont think its much
lemmie estimate
about 22
supposed to get double that wtf
charred depot
i get 40 UK mpg driving like a clown
33.3 us
not actually had any issues with BMW's. Had issues with vauxhall insignia's, passats, golfs and general suvs. oh and range rovers
frank steeple
I get 13.5 mpg in my car
i get 14 in mine
what u driving?
normal temple
An 80s death trap
frank steeple
a 60s death trap
fathom socket
i must be calculating wrong or something there's no way
charred depot
Id of gone down the route of a classic as my first car but insurance was like lol no.
fathom socket
it was 100% motorway so its supposed to get about 50
yeah same
although i'd probably only choose one i have a chance of surviving a crash in
fathom socket
i saw an xjs a while back but ofc insurer aint gonna exactly like the idea of a 3.6l v12
fathom socket
damn man when that overdrive kicks in
charred depot
£6k/y for me to insure
fathom socket
there's so many reasonable affordable to buy sports cars from pre 2000s that are really cool
but then that insurance hits
charred depot
S2000's are pennies to insure if you can get one heh
fathom socket
oh wow yeah they cost a fair bit now
charred depot
only like £600/y to insure and im young
fathom socket
im sold
charred depot
just gotta get one
fathom socket
pray that the used car gods are kind
i considered a smart roadster for a while there
fathom socket
yeah and i only kinda recently saw one irl
makes the mini look gigantic
i'd consider one as a kind of track toy thing
charred depot
probably be better of with a mx5 parts wise imo
charred depot
thinking of buying a rotten NB once im decent enough of sheet metal welding
fathom socket
should get a bentley as a track day car
charred depot
id go to knockhill but its quite expensive, here is pennies but the track is tiny. https://youtu.be/6lq94f-ta-0
charred depot
the government rot gods dont treat cars well here
frank steeple
it was kept in storage for a long time though...
it wasnt running until my dad wacked the fuel pump with a broom stick once
fathom socket
wow that is quite a narrow one
charred depot
still like 5C and its the attack of the salty gritters already.
wouldnt want to do that track with my main car due to how little run off there is
i can see me misjudging a corner dipping my wheel onto the grass and meeting the tyrewall
charred depot
interesting to seee how its assembled
dense shard
The more I look at it, the more I wouldn't mind an automatic Mazda 3.
charred depot
Me and a couple of friends are looking to build something to put through the MVSA Heavy Quadricycle approval. Honestly I think its going to be easier to get it approved than it will to get insurance for it. I might try call a few places later but i am expecting alot of wot.
Essentially allows us to build a car up to 20hp with a max speed of 56hp and max weight of like 400kg
A proper car approval is much more involved but probably easier to get insurance for :^|
exotic monolith
https://youtu.be/oV0aOGq2t0s coolest audi ever made in my opinoin
civic spoke
Any car that is part Porsche is cool in my book.
Oh. Right. It's the month where Doug mostly reviews really special cars.
fathom socket
BUYBUYBUYBUY
exotic monolith
Honestly, i swear that dougs making bank with cars and bids. He bought a new defender, and rs2 avant, like he has 5 cars now. 1. Old defender 2. New Defender 3. Convertible G-Wagon 4. Ford GT 5. RS2 Avant
exotic monolith
Oh. Right. It's the month where Doug mostly reviews really special cars.
Isn't it dougcember?
civic spoke
Yeah.
fathom socket
its actually a rather cool site
current bidding is 60k its worth double at least
civic spoke
Honda Civic SiR-II
stray cosmos
||Doug: Can I have spares for my RS2?
Audi Dealership: There's no such thing as an Audi RS2||
spoiler from Doug's video
civic spoke
That's probably because the RS2 not being a US model.
stray cosmos
yeah, but the guy said it didn't even exist
civic spoke
Probably not in their system. idk. Haven't seen the Doug video.
Got a timestamp? Don't feel like looking through a 30+ minute video.
bitter compass
Hmm rs2 is a neat car
But it always makes me wonder what an rs version of the a2 would have been 🤔
civic spoke
As I thought, the RS2 was never sold in NA.
teal vigil
should i buy a VW golf GTI used?
muted crypt
no but 350z and make a project car
median egret
Golfs are kinda meh
brazen dirge
night current
I've heard golf's are pretty good. I don't own one and can't say anything, but my friend got two of them and enjoyed them quite a lot.
fathom socket
opinions on running modern eco tyres? used to run bridgestone ecopia EP100's but upgraded to EP300's today and they seem to feel like a normal tire
Should I buy a lada and swap engine with a BMW v8 engine?
charred depot
dunno its a sedan
basically one guy that owns all the classic shitboxes in my area
full bough
I had a 2017 R-Line Passat. It was cool, nothing crazy, but a decent car.
fathom socket
looks worse than a passat imo
stoic ledge
Looks better than a Passat imho
dense shard
Neither are a Camry
full bough
Nah, not a tuner guy.
frank steeple
i swear that is the 2005 Toyota Siena
nocturne vale
im actually in love with the mercedes 500k
i'm in love with my 9 year old civic truly the best car to exist
fathom socket
I always found the way the shifter comes out of the dash quite wierd
But I'm sure it's a nice car
fathom socket
I've been powersliding
on accident
fricking snow came
and I bearly have any grip
"accident"
I've mean not on purpose
sometimes I can't find the right word
finally managed to get some r14 winter tires tires
dense shard
Nice
static canopy
anyone here hyped about how george russell gets to drive the w11
or is it just me
fathom socket
tawny basalt
- sad Vandoorne noises *
fathom socket
* happy George Russell noises *
narrow solar
civic spoke
Ahh, yes. The Ford Focus.
fathom socket
I need hub caps
charred depot
put some metallic paint on your steelies :^)
cedar aspen
id get new wheels
charred depot
get some candy teal on there
to my upmost suprise no one has done candy teal steelies, you could be the first!
cedar aspen
CANDY TEAL STEELIES
charred depot
dont think the white car would make that look any less hilarious
karmic verge
I wanna see you Donk it.
dense shard
Auris police car
cedar aspen
polandia i see
fathom socket
Guys What is your Dream Car???
cedar aspen
alfa 156 3.2v6
dense shard
I think I own my dream car
dense shard
Dreams can be attainable
charred depot
the maf for 1.8 e36, e34, e30 etc looks like such a quality piece
fathom socket
Mine is a Supra MK4
And the R34
I really want something for fast cornering
And any modded Evo
static canopy
ayy george russell got fastest lap of the session at the sakhir grand prix
night current
ae86 with ITB's. 🤤
indigo coral
My unattainable dream car is a Lexus GS F
frank steeple
ae86 with ITB's. 🤤
im hunting for a good one right now but i think ill settle for a stock BNR32 for cheap and might think about upgrading it
just overall small stuff
like maybe some BBS rims
like maybe these
dense shard
mortal jolt
electric shooting brake
dense shard
Mark says it right.
6 years ahead in tech, 6 years behind in being a car.
A disposable car.
wild tiger
night current
I don't think Tesla's are that bad tbh. Considering that Tesla is such a new company and caused such a stir in the market is a pretty awesome accomplishment in of itself. Definitely pretty far ahead on technology, but I wouldn't say 6 years behind in being a car. If it were that bad as a car, no one would own a Tesla. (Except for the extremists who want to change to full EV asap, but that is besides the point.)
(Bad = Cars 6 years ago. Not that they are actually bad. I just didn't know of a better way to put it.)
vagrant dune
Cars in terms of driving honestly haven't changed that much in 6 years
Drive a 2014 audi A4 and a 2020 audi A4 and they feel essentially the same
dense shard
In that case Tesla's build quality is 6 generations behind. Problem is that everyone buying Teslas have been the gung ho extremists.
And new company or not, their QC issues shouldn't exist. They have over 100 years of manufacturing experience to draw on. 5 years or 50 years. Bumpers shouldn't fall off, and Tesla sure as fuck shouldn't be blaming the drivers for issues. Especially when it comes to say... FSD.
indigo coral
Lololol so true
stray nacelle
chilly light
Anyone here watching F1?
dense shard
Also while I'm still on a roll.
If Tesla wants to shill the "but we're actually a tech angle"
That honestly brings back the QC double. Apple, Samsung, Sony do not have quality control issues by and large... also of of these companies have been caught fudging benchmarks, crippling phones with updates, and have fairly limited lifetime support.
Looking at the early Model S? That has already been proven when owners were forced to buy upgrade hardware out of pocket to allow for future updates.
Tesla as an auto company falls short of automotive company standards.
Tesla as a tech company falls short on quality and has the same potential issues as a tech company.
Either way... Tesla needs to step it up. They've been around for nearly 20 years now. They aren't a start up.
fathom socket
This was the stock version of my car
I've done so much more to it,
Chrome Delete, new rims, new entertainment screen (making it bigger), new Steering wheel and new headlights
Also, the plate isn't in use anymore so gl finding me 👍
bitter compass
Honestly regarding tesla as company i wonder how their solar stuff is doing
Im more interested in their solar stuff than their cars
dense shard
Their solar stuff is great for dragging prices down.
It's less great for some of the behind the scenes stuff.
Personally not a fan of the always on internet thing.... ugh not like everything else isn't IoT already.
So I don't think I can rag on them for that. Otherwise they've had some installation oops and other Tesla™️ grade bullshit.
night current
What do you mean by build quality exactly? I mean, the only thing that I notice that's bad about Tesla's build quality that I don't typically see in other brands is the extreme panel gap, misaligned trim, and occasional paint defects. The actual quality of the screens, trim (besides alignment), seats, etc. seem fine.
Sure, you have the occasional faulty battery and other stuff, but major failures can happen to other car manufactures, not only Tesla. I remember my mother buying a new Hyundai and the automatic transmission broke within the first week.
Now Tesla blaming people for issues is fair in certain aspects. Plenty of people out there don't keep their hands on the wheel when using autopilot, and a lot of people have tried to sue Tesla for being stupid because they hit the "gas" pedal instead of the brake and crashed into a wall. Now when it's actually the cars fault, then it's Tesla's fault, but that seems quite rare actually. At least they aren't like Ford with the Pinto where if you get rear ended it explodes. Lol
Tesla solar is cool though. I don't do too much research in that department though so I cannot say much there.
dense shard
Let me address these points in order... tho the Savage Geese review does actually hit up on the points very well.
Telsa's own building of the cars has quite a few faults such as missing screws, tabs, and the such. It happens in other automakers, but Toyota produces magnitudes more. But panel gaps and misaligned trim is something legacy automakers have figured out in their base offerings in the 80s. I shouldn't have to expect any build quality issues in a car that starts at 40k. This isn't an issue at that price point anywhere else.
The screens have actually have been an issue in the Model S and X. Both have leaky screens it seems that eventually require replacing. This is ignoring the memory issues that require a few grand to fix. This isn't a if issue, but when. And because Teslas put so much functionality into the screens, this becomes a safety issue in many cases.
Seats and what have you do seem fine, and the style is subjective. Some people like minimalism, some hate it.
The Tesla blaming people for issues goes beyond autopilot, tho Tesla's own marketing team hasn't been great. If people hear autopilot, they'll expect autopilot. Tesla's very own branding is misleading. Don't blame the user for your own promises. Don't blame the user for their faults either. Especially without an investigation, and sure as fuck don't blame the dead. it's a bad look.
They are pulling a Ford/Pinto right now with the dying media units and refusing to recall cars due to rust. Mind you Ford didn't really blame users on that. They accepted fault, and let the bean counters dictate not fixing it as being cheaper. The PR fallout remains with Ford to this very day. I wonder if the person who cleared the non-fix feels like they made a mistake.
Tesla tried to blame Chinese drivers for being abusive to their cars. Once again... a no no. Don't blame a local market for your inability to build a car. Especially when other makers haven't experienced this issue.
Same goes for Canada. Drivers were experiencing catastrophic paint failure on the lower panels after just a few months of winter driving. That's NOT normal, and you should do more than offer a couple of mudflaps. That's insulting.
The china thing btw? Is actively being investigated by the NHTSA right now. (And I have other salt to sow on other automakers, but that actually goes very solidly into politics, so I'm not gonna touch that here. lol)
stoic ledge
I also abuse my car in a way that the roof seperates itself form the the body
night current
Tesla states everywhere that autopilot is an assistant, and when using autopilot, you are to keep your hands on the wheel and to be attentive to your surroundings. That's why I think it's the user's fault when someone gets into a crash, unless the actual autopilot itself or the car caused the problem. Their marketing team definitely isn't great though. But their failing MCU and Rust problem is no where near as bad as causing a car to explode when in a rear-end collision. Funnier part is, is that Ford decided to just pay for the hospital bills rather than the recall to fix the problem at first. Also, coming from someone who lived in China for over four years, I partially agree with Tesla in that aspect, they are fucking wild there. Lol
night current
True, it is such an old case.
dense shard
Tesla's issues are now. And once again. Blaming the user is literally customer service 101 no no.
night current
But manufactures, if not restricted by government regulations, would probably still do that type of thing.
dense shard
Automakers don't anymore. Since the Toyota fiasco in the late 00s, all automakers have been very proactive in doing recalls.
The Takata thing is ongoing even today.
The autopilot thing is debatable either way, but using untrained drivers to beta test a system is just... wtf
jolly loom
Shush
stoic ledge
What Tesla should do: make sell powertrains for other car companies to incorporate
Their drivetrains are good, the car around it not so much
(Just my 2 cents)
dense shard
Yes, Tesla has been saying drivers should keep their hands on the wheel. I'll grant them that much. Tho the failsafes that should prevent that aren't great. GM apparently uses sensors in the steering wheel itself instead of just a torque sensor.
dense shard
why
jolly loom
Stfu
night current
Faiz, chill.
dense shard
Tesla needs to be held accountable like everyone else.
jolly loom
Stop waffling about cars
dense shard
Ford got slapped so hard they're still reeling from the Pinto thing.
night current
xQc is cool and all, but no need to be toxic chief.
night current
It's not a new Ford? It's a Pinto from 50 years ago.
jolly loom
Or the new engine cc manufatuer 8213
night current
dense shard
Except the fact that the F150 remains the best selling truck in the US?
jolly loom
Yh the 2897ds
dense shard
And remains THE benchmark to surpass for everyone?
jolly loom
That new engine is sick
stoic ledge
Stop waffling about cars
What do you think this channel is about?
jolly loom
Im not sure
But no one cares about the new cc plate 287680 engine triple mph
Waffle
night current
Thought this was funny.
dense shard
I feel that Tesla has a ways to go before it becomes the threat it thinks it is.
jolly loom
Yh yh tesla is shit rn
dense shard
uhhhh, I wouldn't call it shit.
But there will come a point at which hype will no longer be viable.
dense shard
...
night current
I mean, it's not that Tesla thinks it's a threat to other brands. I definitely don't think it is. But they definitely have increased the whole push to EV's. And according to Elon, that's what the brand is supposed to mean. Elon even said that he wants EV competition because it means that it brings further progress to the switch of a world that uses renewable energy. Though, that could just be a scheme to make Tesla seem like a good company. :/
dense shard
I agree with everything you just said.
Apart from the Tesla thinking it's not a threat.
... well... maybe they do think that?... but I've gotten mixed messages on that.
night current
Also, I'm not sure what Elon exactly meant by patents, but he claimed that the patents to a lot of Tesla's work is open.
dense shard
They're available to use, but I bet you a cookie there are ropes attached.
night current
Yeah idk tbh. I think wanting to bring change might make you need to be a threat... Idk..
stoic ledge
Fun fact: Tesla sales dropped by 85% in my country this year 
dense shard
If Tesla wants to be a force of good in EV adoption, they shouldn't have used a stupid proprietary charging standard.
European EV adoption is good because there is a single universal charging standard for everyone right now.
night current
Yeah I agree with that tbh.
stoic ledge
In Europe Tesla uses CCS 
dense shard
tbh... Telsa would only need to adopt CCS for my opinion of them to improve by like... a lot.
dense shard
CCS is one of the 3 dominant charging standards in the West.
jolly loom
Omg no way
dense shard
4 in the world.
dense shard
...
I could take your trolling seriously, but I doubt anyone here doesn't know why a universal plug standard is a good thing.
night current
Having a universal charging standard would be pretty awesome. Especially if they made all of their Tesla charging stations use the standard and allowed other EV's to charge there.
stoic ledge
Imagine every car brand having a different gas filler shape
dense shard
I try not to MK.
night current
Imagine how crazy gas station pumps would be. Lmao
stoic ledge
Ah you have a Toyota? Here, use this star-shaped charger 🌟
night current
Lol
dense shard
errrr
jolly loom
Loooool
dense shard
Toyota still uses chademo.
dense shard
Like... Toyota is part of the problem.
night current
Wait a minute, gotta find the star shaped pump. I got confused with the triangle-shaped pump.
dense shard
Chademo isn't bad... in a few cases better than CCS.
It's just the standard that lost out.
stoic ledge
ChaDeMo is basically only a thing in Japan
dense shard
It's being phased out in Europe and the US.
jolly loom
Toyota is sick relax urslefs
stoic ledge
They're selling the UX 300e with ChaDeMo in Europe, so it's sales are basically 0 because the infrastructure isn't there
dense shard
The UX EV sounded nice until I found out it's ChaDeMo... which doesn't really matter since it's not coming to the US.
dense shard
Allowed or not. Even Nissan has moved to CCS.
stoic ledge
Yeah
dense shard
Unexpected, but a nice development.
stoic ledge
Although Nissan is still using air cooled batteries so I wouldn't get one
dense shard
Air cooling would be fine if it was active.
stoic ledge
Hell, the Leaf's steering wheel is only height adjustable, so that's a definite no-go
dense shard
Passive... not so much.
dense shard
oh lol. Adjustment for reach should be standard.
dense shard
Thankfully my 'roll has reach and height.
stoic ledge
It's height adjustable throughout the entire range
jolly loom
Agreed
stoic ledge
Even the most shittest shitboxes have height and reach nowadays
stoic ledge
The Leaf is the only car I know sold new which doesn't have it
dense shard
Mind you the Leaf is a decade old platform.
... they should have updated it for the refresh.
stoic ledge
Should've been standard in 2010 even
dense shard
I wouldn't mind an EV, but it's just not feasible here. Even a Tesla wouldn't work.
stoic ledge
Well I'd need a realistic 300+km (185 miles) range so it would work for me, but that's just unaffordable for now for me
Also, gas engine go brrr
dense shard
I'd either need 500 miles or more chargers.
stoic ledge
dense shard
The American plains are empty af
stoic ledge
Yeah sure for some parts of thr US definitely
dense shard
Maybe in a decade.
civic spoke
I would kinda need 200 km's of real life use.
dense shard
I have zero reason to believe that CCS will have any availability here in the next 20 years.
civic spoke
Or at least 150 km's.
dense shard
I'm still at 1 car garage in my life.
civic spoke
Same.
stoic ledge
Imagine having a garage
dense shard
I'm paying extra for one.
civic spoke
We have a garage spot. But it's a big, shared garage.
No outlet that is rated for EV charging.
stoic ledge
We have Fastned chargers + Ionity, it's usable nowadays as long as you can charge at home
dense shard
Unheated garage is alright.
civic spoke
Built over 60 years ago. Probably.
dense shard
It'll be nice once it hits 10 below.... Fahrenheit.
stoic ledge
Fahrenheit 👀
civic spoke
I'd need to be able to charge at home before I can daily an EV.
dense shard
yeah I don't think the complex would appreciate me charging my car.
civic spoke
Same.
dense shard
... don't tell them.
stoic ledge
civic spoke
The outlets we have in the garage is for engine heating. Mostly.
stoic ledge
If it's a rental complex/public place you can request a car charger, but that will be public and be usable for more people
stoic ledge
I think my sense of smell is returning!
Can you smell this 💩
dense shard
I can smell pizza
stoic ledge
OOF
They just use scooters here
Although "here" it isn't a thing as we live in a smaller remote village
normal temple
I am ricer
stoic ledge
Hi ricer, I'm MK
normal temple
Hello
stoic ledge
That's like a 5 year supply for us
normal temple
Clean time
stoic ledge
6-cyl manual BMW :PogWant:
normal temple
Just in time for the rain
normal temple
Should lower the X5
civic spoke
grizzled lake
Love this boy
I named it Franklin, and he is a frankenstein and was one from the factory as what we can tell. Has a whole load of M parts, a huge modified to race inline straight-six, and has closing in on 300hp with the existing mods and a whole lot of torque. Short shifter and cold air intake, as well as slightly lowered suspension and staggered wheels
ember dove
👀
ember dove
charred depot
ig ones a donor car
night current
Oh yeah, didn't realize that. That'd make sense.
lilac loom
what's the best BMW car to buy on a $5k budget??
civic spoke
I guess an E46?
You might be able to get an E90 for that money as well. @lilac loom
I bought my E46 320i for about $6,000 over five years ago.
But then again. Bought it at an ideal time, kinda.
Had just over 70,000 km's on it when I bought it.
warm sparrow
yoo nice MR2!! with dat 4AGE 😁😁
civic spoke
I'd just look around in the $6,000 area and see if I can get something around there.
With reasonable miles.
civic spoke
Gotta fix another ground point on my car. Left rear is having some issues.
Oh welp. Should be an easy fix.
ember dove
I bought both MR2s for 1000$ total, white one rusty as heck, silver no title automatic. Swapping everything into the silver one
And it's engine had a blown head gasket and a broken ringland lmao, but that engines mint
dense shard
I'd avoid any turbo BMW for under 5k. E46s are getting fairly cheap right now. E92 is getting there I imagine.
civic spoke
My thoughts as well.
Huh. You can get some pretty decent BMW's for around the $5,000 price mark.
2005 BMW 325Ci Coupe for $4,825
117k miles
There's even a 2011 328i being sold for $5,500, and only 71k miles
charred depot
Today i saw a old van with white AMG wheels and a big gym guy getting out of a fiat 500 i dont mean to be carsist buut
chilly light
Anyone about to watch F1?
normal temple
On BMWs you should factor in at least a 1-2k delta on top of the purchasing cost
you will have to replace parts that the previous owner has neglected
civic spoke
Aye. And for future stuff in general.
Old cars age. So stuff just wear down over time.
Lower front bushings is something that goes bad quickly on E46's.
charred depot
meanwhile the civic churns on
civic spoke
meanwhile the civic churns on
Fix those headlights.
charred depot
bruh they are like slightly fogged
civic spoke
You can use toothpaste or whatever to remove the foggyness.
charred depot
will probably become a endless cycle unless your clearcoat them
stoic ledge
Yeah without a new clearcoat it's useless
civic spoke
I'll just get a new set of lenses for my car.
charred depot
not too bothered on a car that is worth £300 reaching eol
flint sable
Use fine grit sandpaper and rubbing compound
pearl tiger
dat camaro tho
ember dove
Auto hot wheels package
Both of mine are cracked so I'll either replace them or sell the car
pearl tiger
i riced my car:D better headlights tho
ember dove
How 2 access mid engine fuel lines
Step 1: remove engine
Step 2: have a nice sit down
left hinge
ember dove
This filler hose is the worst thing on earth I have no idea how I got this on last time
compact thorn
oof
chilly light
Seeing a Mazda makes me miss my RX-8 😫
fathom socket
This filler hose is the worst thing on earth I have no idea how I got this on la...
Where is the jubilee clip?
ember dove
The what
fathom socket
ember dove
Oh a hose clamp
Nah
It's already on its not coming off
And I'm not taking it off
It's the stiffest most garbage 30 year old rubber there is and the only thing that goes through it is gas when you fill the tank, it'll be fine
flint sable
Nice wheels
left hinge
thank you 
frank steeple
are those off of a late 2000's pontiac?
ember dove
Pontiabuwu
tawny basalt
Im a simple man, I see outback I like
ember dove
I'd love something awd
bold vessel
ember dove
Be missing having a complete mr2 😒
dense shard
civic spoke
Kinda want new rims for the car. But don't really want to move away from 16 inchers.
charred depot
for a bit i thought that mr2 picture was on a road, man those parking spaces are wiide.
ember dove
warm sparrow
😮
civic girder
Nice speedometer
I'm thinking my fog lights are aimed too low. Can barely tell they're on from the driver's seat...
I did install them just last night, so it's entirely possible they are
warm sparrow
xD
New car
yes it's dirty and all
But I have a lot of little project to make it looks and drive better (first clean it, change the wheels for better one in 15", paint black parts in blue, fix the right door, change the spoiler, add a lip to the rear bumper, change the grilln etc)
civic girder
Idk, personally, I think having black trim pieces adds flavor. Having everything the same color looks bland
civic spoke
That's a good little car.
stoic ledge
@warm sparrow you sold the 208?
warm sparrow
No back part are really not good
Or just the low parts (bumper, sides) but with paint on it not just raw ugly plastic
the worst is the license plate thing
the 208 is on sale
exotic monolith
https://youtu.be/VRYTEFT8UYY Doug likes the design, I don't. It looks like a offroad ford flex, and the ford flex always looked like a hearse to me.
fathom socket
yay
exotic monolith
mostly because of that back window it looks like a ford flex
fathom socket
my focus rear suspention is knocking
clever holly
Car
fathom socket
that means it's gonna to be expensive to fix
since the rear suspention seems to cost more then the engine
I hope those are bishings
but IDK if I can do that at my own
exotic monolith
...you have a focus?
fathom socket
yeah
exotic monolith
that made me sad
fathom socket
but beside the starter welding to it self nothing in the engine broke
fathom socket
except I need to change the valves
warm sparrow
wtf 3.5k ?
fathom socket
3.5 k waht?
exotic monolith
USD
exotic monolith
yhea
fathom socket
you could buy 3 of my focuses that I have
exotic monolith
but in all fairness i do have 110-105k miles on it...
warm sparrow
2 Civic EK3
fathom socket
I have 300k km
fathom socket
the engine is kind of loud and the rear suspention is knocking
exotic monolith
how old is it?
fathom socket
2004
exotic monolith
ah
fathom socket
it was company car
exotic monolith
ok
fathom socket
and I'm a 5th owner
no wait
I have sequential LPG instalation
so that isn't the problem
I need to adjust the valves then
or how it's called
charred depot
how focus rear suspension cost more than a focus
civic spoke
Bushings I need for my car is like $50 for the pair.
I forgot what I paid for my springs and shocks that I replaced a few months ago.
ember dove
I really need them but we'll see the back is so clunky and noisy
civic spoke
Let me check what I paid for my stuff.
I paid $750 for my springs and shocks.
Eibach springs, Bilstein shocks.
charred depot
£20 for a rear spring, £20 for a rear shock on my ecobox
ember dove
Nice and cheap
charred depot
mazda 2 rear suspension is caveman technology though
ember dove
Ooo you have a 2?
ember dove
Ive always felt superior to 2s in my 3 but now I know it to be true lmao
charred depot
they are really nippy
ember dove
I toss my 3 like it's a miata lmao
charred depot
the engines in the previous gen which i have are pretty much bulletproof for atleast 130k miles zero maintenance
no belts or anything
ember dove
I have a 2.3 and I'm just waiting for it to eat itself
civic spoke
The rear springs on my car were also broken. Half a turn had rusted away.
charred depot
i had to get a 1.3 so insurance company would like me
ember dove
Good olll europe
charred depot
problem with mine is when the half a turn goes it slips out of its seat and knocks into everything
ember dove
I don't think 2.3 is even an option unless it's an mps there
ember dove
Ow
ember dove
I'm pretty sure my mr2s have original struts
charred depot
can see a bit of a oil leak from the corrosion defense system
ember dove
Oh of course
charred depot
bit late on the deployment cause the subframes going extra crusty
ember dove
Oil IS corrosion prevention
frank steeple
lol
charred depot
that springs broken twice now so it has a lean
ember dove
Thank god I have florida car lmao
charred depot
dreading doing it because the bolts are most certainly one with the strut
if you sharp turn to the right then left all manner of horrible noises happen
ember dove
I bought my 3 with 4 blown shocks, unbalanced wheels, mismatched tires, all blown bushings, no ball joints, and bad axles
charred depot
we dont have much shit that fucked thanks to our MOT
charred depot
our civics last mot
had more issues but ofcourse we only fix what it needs to pass
ember dove
I do not look forward to inspections and I will not do them for as long as possible
charred depot
we had one fail because the washer didnt spray a adequate amount of fluid
ember dove
Wtf lmao
charred depot
who tf sittin there with a measuring jug
ember dove
I put the soapy water from a car wash in mine
And now it fires over the windshield and past both my mirrors
charred depot
tanks too small on mine for how dirty the roads are
rear wiper washer is positioned in such a way that 90% of the fluid misses the wiper
charred depot
MOT's are good though cause if someones selling a car you can just put the plate it and get a decent idea of how its kept
ember dove
Ny has inspections but their not that intense
charred depot
can look at anyones here by just typing in the plate
ember dove
I wanna drive my shitbox in peace don't look at it
I'm gonna get my mr2 inspected for the lols
charred depot
the big killer here is arch / sill rust
ember dove
Basically doesn't happen in florida
charred depot
once a car gets to 20 years old here its pretty much 100% pancake time
off to be turned into tin cans
ember dove
Sad
charred depot
theres people who have classics that dont fully restore them, just means they have to do welding every year
classic shitboxes like old ladas, peugoet 305s etc
charred depot
my 10 year old mazda 2 has a big spot in the middle
i dont think the lackluster undercoating was meant for gravel roads
ember dove
0 anywhere on my 3
There's exposed sheet steel from paint flakes and a scrape and it's not rusty
charred depot
theres bits underneath where theres no undercoating it seems
at the end of the day it is a disposable car so
charred depot
wish they made a speed 2 when they had that ford money
ember dove
I have never heard of that lmao I wanna see
charred depot
doesent exist really
charred depot
id have to fabricate everything really
nothing really exists engine performance wise for the mazda 2
ember dove
I'm not getting ny registration until I have a better understanding of what passes and doesn't for NYS
charred depot
also in the UK you have to declare everything to insurance and it costs alot
ember dove
cause I definitely wanna swap my mr2
normal temple
Mornings are the best
charred depot
Im looking to get a E36 318i to somewhat restore
Id love to go for a E39 but insurance is not ver nice.
normal temple
Fun times
ember dove
I don't ever really see myself in something german
charred depot
stoic ledge
Ah with the factory hood intake I see
fathom socket
its just built different
charred depot
funny, the hood is like that because the latch wasnt properly hooked up
can see here
warm sparrow
are those front merc wheels?
charred depot
yeah
chilly light
Am I allowed to post motorcycle pics in here? haha
frank steeple
yes
chilly light
frank steeple
ooooo sweet
charred depot
civic spoke
She ain't alright.
ember dove
Wiper fluid is a major defect but a cracked windshield isn't???
vagrant dune
If its a chip its not necessary to fix but if there is a leak or not enough wiper fluid it can be dangerous
Imagine being on a highway and a truck splashes mud on your windshield and you have nothing to clean it with
@ember dove
ember dove
Your wipers lmao
ember dove
You've never been offroading
vagrant dune
Yes, yes I have
And I can quarantee that its in tougher places than you because I drive a 6x6 sisu sa-240 in the finnish army and it barely gets to some places I need to go to
ember dove
Maybe my wipers are extra good idk but i still hate inspections
vagrant dune
And it is MUCH more capable than any off road car on the market
charred depot
yeah i need my washers alot here
stoic ledge
Does it ever not rain in the UK?
charred depot
yeah just random short showers happen alot so our roads always look damp
atleast up here in Scortland
vagrant dune
I love washing the truck after driving in like 70cm of muddy goodness...
Not many trucks that wont get stuck there
charred depot
my dad offroads a 2009 hyundai i30
vagrant dune
Wut
charred depot
goes through copious amounts of balljoints and bushings
vagrant dune
I offroad one of these bad boys
charred depot
this is peak offroad performance
vagrant dune
Yes
charred depot
everyone he works with has suv's
charred depot
i take alot of gravel roads on my mazda 2 but im too scared to even dip a wheel into the grass, i see it as quicksand.
just reverse to the passing place rather than playing a dangerous game
vagrant dune
This thing is actually insane, like insanely deep uphill with mud in it and this thing just keeps going
ember dove
Sounds abt right