cars

[stoic ledge]

[coral tartan]

DeLorean

[fathom socket]

@stoic ledge 70mai Smart Dash Cam Pro 2.7K/140/WiFi

I need to wire it up to a power line that turns on with ignition

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

I should get to doing that.

I've had a gopro that I could do that with, but I'm just too lazy to wire it.

[stoic ledge]

Depends on how you do it, did both cars here in <30 minutes

[fathom socket]

They way it starts recording and stops recording with motion is kind of unreliable

[stoic ledge]

Yes that sucks

[karmic verge]

When I have mine up, I got it set to delete the footage 30 minutes ago. So it only has 30 minutes of saved footage at all times.

[fathom socket]

I'm gonna to run a new 12v socket from my car radio

Since radio only works with ignition on

[stoic ledge]

OOF

[fathom socket]

I think I can figure out

I have tools

At worst I could use a relay switch

[karmic verge]

Just pop it in the cigarette lighter

[stoic ledge]

His cigarette lighter is always on

Got mine going like this

[karmic verge]

Whatcha drivin?

Ima assume honda...?

[stoic ledge]

2012 Corsa

[karmic verge]

A wha?

UK cars nvm.

[stoic ledge]

Not UK

[karmic verge]

I can only find IK listings.

Uk

The hell is it?

[stoic ledge]

In the UK it would have been a Vauxhall

Like I said, a 2012 Opel Corsa

[karmic verge]

Opel

I thought it was vauxhall

[stoic ledge]

Basically the same, Opel's are sold as Vauxhall's in the UK

But mine has the steeringwheel on the correct side of the car

[karmic verge]

Back passenger seat, right?

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[karmic verge]

Good man.

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

I gotta see if someone actually did that now.

Google come to me.

[stoic ledge]

Well my seat is basically all the way back so it basically could have been lol

[karmic verge]

https://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Picture-19.png

That's cursed.

Now let's watch him do some drifting like that.

[stoic ledge]

Mad lad

[fathom socket]

I have 2004 focus

and also the socket is in a bit difficult spot to wire it up under dash

wait

wth

[karmic verge]

Most of my wires are under the steering wheel and on the right side of the pedals.

[warm sparrow]

keep that corsa clean

[karmic verge]

I'm assuming all of these cars are standards?

[fathom socket]

most of mine are under center of the dash and on the left side of steering wheel

my one has some electrical modifications

like aftermarket automatic lights

[karmic verge]

I've been wanting to do something crazy with my appearance.

[stoic ledge]

keep that corsa clean
@warm sparrow I try to, but white is hard to keep clean

[warm sparrow]

it's clean

more than my grey car

I cleaned it once

in a year

lol

[stoic ledge]

Well that picture was taken in July

[karmic verge]

Idk what to really do first though.

[neon zodiac]

hey

[warm sparrow]

oh yes

[karmic verge]

What does she need?

[warm sparrow]

Vtec DOHC

[stoic ledge]

Cleaned it ofcourse since then

[neon zodiac]

It needs:

[stoic ledge]

Idk what to really do first though.
LS swap it, always the answer

[karmic verge]

Nah, LS masterrace

[warm sparrow]

LS swap it, always the answer
@stoic ledge NO

[stoic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/vtec-vtak-honda-civic-eg6-gif-10381955

[warm sparrow]

stop

[stoic ledge]

[neon zodiac]

I love Honda.

Like Obsessed Garage would say, I'm a little Honda bro.

[karmic verge]

Looks like a stock supra graph

[warm sparrow]

Then I like you

[karmic verge]

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

1000whp and 4200torque

[neon zodiac]

Damn, I regret selling my red EG hatch so much.

[karmic verge]

Real question though

[stoic ledge]

My beast maxes out at 83hp, try to beat than 😎

[warm sparrow]

how much torque?

[karmic verge]

How would a spoiler, colored headlights, and a big scoop hood look on the car?

@stoic ledge damn we got a badass over here

[neon zodiac]

I would do performance mods before that

[stoic ledge]

how mluch torque?
Depending on the fuel 110-115Nm

[neon zodiac]

coils, strut bars etc

[karmic verge]

I've done some performance already.

[stoic ledge]

@stoic ledge damn we got a badass over here
@karmic verge ikr thank you thank you

[neon zodiac]

Then I would do wheels and tires

[karmic verge]

Cold air intake, new rear gears, and some wider tires.

Dropped those 3.45s for some 4.11s bb

[warm sparrow]

so i can beat you with my car MK è.é

[karmic verge]

Dis bitch spinn

[neon zodiac]

Yeah but new wheels and it would look real good

[karmic verge]

What kinda rims are pretty though.

[neon zodiac]

my old hatch

[warm sparrow]

113-114 / 82hp, 1t

• racing *

[karmic verge]

I wanna keep the silver color, but idk what kinda design would look nice.

[stoic ledge]

113-114 / 82hp, 1t
@warm sparrow so 1hp less and 3-4Nm more or 1-2Nm less than mine

[neon zodiac]

I know nothing about wheels for american cars but i like kind of a drag look

[stoic ledge]

Petrol: 86hp/115Nm
LPG: 83hp/110Nm

[warm sparrow]

but probably lighter

[stoic ledge]

Yours is lighter yes

[warm sparrow]

and I never tried with better gas but i will next time

[karmic verge]

@neon zodiac I should get some THICK drag slicks.

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

I always use RON98

[neon zodiac]

Yessir

[karmic verge]

I have pirellis on it rn.

[stoic ledge]

Only the best for zhe Corsa

[karmic verge]

Gonna replace the tires next year cuz burnouts o plenty.

[stoic ledge]

I have... 195 width Hankook's

[warm sparrow]

I use 95 but i'll try 98 since it's more efficient and even if it's more expensive it burns less so..

[stoic ledge]

True

[karmic verge]

Man I wish they sold 98 where I live.

Used to have a sonic that had 100

[warm sparrow]

I don't know anything else than 95 / 98 / e85 / diesel

that's all we have usually

[stoic ledge]

I use 98 because due to the LPG system, it barely uses any gas so high amounts of ethanol is bad

[warm sparrow]

and other weird things like for your car MK

[stoic ledge]

BornkleChorf is talking about MON probably, not RON?

[karmic verge]

Yo mk, tesla swap dat bih

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

[stoic ledge]

I won't be associated with such inferior cars

[karmic verge]

Bruh tesla swapping meme tho.

[stoic ledge]

I'd rather LS swap it

[karmic verge]

Or get an LS7

[stoic ledge]

[warm sparrow]

13b swap the corsa

[karmic verge]

And fit that motor... on the roof?

[fathom socket]

my one should have 115 hp petrol and 113hp LPGT+

[stoic ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375461451403624471/567119593278013454/IMG_20190211_134126.jpg

Enough space

[karmic verge]

[warm sparrow]

LPGT+ what's that it looks like LGBT+

[karmic verge]

Yeah just remove all those pesky electronics.

[stoic ledge]

BLT sandwich?

[karmic verge]

Who needs ABS, TC, Power steering, AC, etc.?

[stoic ledge]

Me

[fathom socket]

someole who has a phobia of LPG instaztations made stickers for cars LPGT+ free

[karmic verge]

Just don't remove the blinker fluid.

[fathom socket]

basically a porady about a controversial move that some publisher made here in poland

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

You a fellow polak?!

[stoic ledge]

Mines Bi-Fuel

[fathom socket]

yes

[warm sparrow]

wtf you talking about

[karmic verge]

Ayyyyyy

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

Aight, real talk tho.

If you wanna engine swap, get an L83

Crate engine costs like $2k

And it puts out 350 torque and about the same HP

[stoic ledge]

350 torque
Nice

[karmic verge]

Truck engine, but it is a nice price.

[stoic ledge]

Not even a unit

[karmic verge]

Ft/lbs

[stoic ledge]

Just pure torque

[karmic verge]

Bot nm

Not nm

Ft/lbs

But that takes too long to type and me lazy boyee

[stoic ledge]

Lol now you had to type it twice + explanation

So even less efficient

[karmic verge]

U asked :(

[stoic ledge]

Because torque isn't a unit 😛

[karmic verge]

Also correction, l86

And its compatible with e85

[stoic ledge]

Can't really find E85 anywhere here :(

[karmic verge]

Same.

But you could.

[warm sparrow]

i have 1000 TORQUE

that's a lot of torques

[stoic ledge]

Damn

[karmic verge]

My mans talking in ft/tons

Hehehe tire go brr

Also, why does horsepower not get determined by actual horse power.

I was told 450 horsepower but it doesn't pull as much power as 450 horses!

Scammd

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

That's why kW is a more accurate representation

[karmic verge]

Idk how the conversion rate goes.

Ewww low number

[stoic ledge]

Uhm for EU hp it's /1,36

Yes lower

[karmic verge]

Hp has bigger number

Bigger is better.

[stoic ledge]

100kW = 136hp

Well you can always just use W

[warm sparrow]

omg this is so bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoBg9vmKbz0

[stoic ledge]

Then 136hp = 100.000W

[warm sparrow]

what was this, bad drivers meeting?

[karmic verge]

I watch these at work.

[warm sparrow]

Yea I undesrtand

I don't have a job but u know

😂

[karmic verge]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OUhy-DbmLjY/maxresdefault.jpg

This is gtoss.

Gross

[warm sparrow]

u know you can edit your message xD

[karmic verge]

https://i.redd.it/y46kkv4qhfc41.jpg

[stoic ledge]

[karmic verge]

On phone, too hard.

[stoic ledge]

Lol just hold message -> edit

[civic spoke]

@warm sparrow That stretch is known as a good driver's road.

But it has become an attraction. So it gathers all the stupid people.

And "Look at me, MA!"-people.

[fathom socket]

tbf the donkervoorts werent really cutting that bad

[warm sparrow]

they all do the same error like this is the first time they drive their cars

• if they know how this road is they should be careful

[fathom socket]

why it did upload as a file?

[fathom socket]

Fucking hell

[past island]

nice

[flint sable]

High school friend wants to get a 50$ “tuning chip” for his Jetta 😩

[fathom socket]

At least I got my dash cam wired in

[exotic monolith]

i've been thinking about getting a dashcam @fathom socket what model do you have?

[warm sparrow]

even the dashboard alone looks like a big mess

ford interior design was soooo bad until like 10 years ago

[civic girder]

Ford interior was good until like 20 years ago

got even worse like 7 or 8 years ago

[civic spoke]

@flint sable Pretty much any turbo car can see some decent gains from a simple tune.

[flint sable]

It’s the V6

[civic spoke]

Oh. Then I guess those are NA

[flint sable]

Yeah

[civic spoke]

Then yeah. Little to no point.

[flint sable]

I warned him that It probably wont do anything but

Whatever

Would rather have him get a 50$ for slight gains than 250$ for slight gains

[civic spoke]

I can get a €250 tune for my car that literally does nothing for HP.

[stoic ledge]

i've been thinking about getting a dashcam @fathom socket what model do you have?
@exotic monolith
@stoic ledge 70mai Smart Dash Cam Pro 2.7K/140/WiFi
@fathom socket

[flint sable]

Exactly

They’re mostly placebos

[stoic ledge]

Although I'd recommend a dashcam without a battery like the 70mai, and get a dashcam with a capacitor

[civic spoke]

Optimized to... The same.

[fathom socket]

much optimise very power much wow

[fathom socket]

Although I'd recommend a dashcam without a battery like the 70mai, and get a dashcam with a capacitor
it's not a big deal for me

at owrst I can change the battery my self

[flint sable]

100 grand under sticker

[charred depot]

@warm sparrow those people dont deserve real wheel drive heh

@civic spoke those tunes can give better throttle response, i know it does wonders for the mazda 2.

[civic girder]

those people don't deserver driver's licenses

if they're gonna drive like that on the street, they shouldn't drive at all

[civic spoke]

I wonder what, if any difference it would make for me.

I'd almost want a lighter flywheel.

[civic girder]

if changed the intake and exhaust, getting a tune can optimize for the changes

so a header could claim like 15hp gain, but that's with a tune. The header alone on stock tune could maybe yield 5hp instead

[civic spoke]

My car is already very optimized power-wise.

[charred depot]

my friend has a e36 318i with a 2.8 swapped into it not declared smh

[civic spoke]

Nice four banger.

[dense shard]

I imagine a tune could help me

[charred depot]

wonder if they will notice when he crashes it

got a welded diff n all

[dense shard]

But premium is pricey

[charred depot]

ditch finders on the rear

[civic spoke]

I always run premium

[civic girder]

don't tune for premium gas then?

[dense shard]

No reason to get a tune then.

[civic girder]

lol

[dense shard]

Toyota's new engines are super high compression

Get the euro tune. More power, more fuel economy, but premium gas

[charred depot]

wonder whats gonna happen with engine r & d considering the UK plans to ban sale of new diesel / petrol cars by 2030

other places doing the same

[civic girder]

that's either not gonna happen, or become a shitshow

[charred depot]

will be interesting to see

everyone here is really into manuals even those who dont care about cars.

[civic spoke]

People say that they are into manuals. But people only buy automatics.

Sad times.

[charred depot]

heh not here

[stoic ledge]

Due to tax on emissions here, many people go EV, PHEV or Hybrid so the amount of "automatic" cars is quite high here the last couple of years

[civic spoke]

It's getting harder even in Europe to find enthusiast cars with a manual.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[dense shard]

Because automatics are faster

[stoic ledge]

But not more engaging

[sage ledge]

but you can bang your gears in manual

[frank steeple]

exactly

[warm sparrow]

the only sports car i would want with automatic are supercars and ++

[frank steeple]

no

[warm sparrow]

there are a lot of manual here because we don't have very mutch money lol

[frank steeple]

become redneck and make it a manual

[fathom socket]

what is a ++

tbh if im getting a supercar i'd get the manual

whole point of it is the driving

[warm sparrow]

lol i didn't know how to say that i mean supercars and other more harcore cars

yes but it's not with a manual supercar that you will break records

[fathom socket]

and?

If im buying a supercar its not so i can simply go fast

if i wanted to go fast i'd get a Porsche taycan or something

[warm sparrow]

depends on what you want to do

anyway if you can afford one supercar you can probably afford 2

or more

[fathom socket]

i think the only auto supercar i'd consider is an lc500

and that's more just a luxury coupe than supercar

[stoic ledge]

I like the LC but that's definitely not a supercar

[fathom socket]

how much does it cost again?

i thought like 150k or somthin

ah ok from 80 so luxury sports coupe type deal

[stoic ledge]

i thought like 150k or somthin
It is here

€159k

But that's not what I'd consider supercar tbh

The LFA, that's a supercar

[fathom socket]

yeah true

but the lc500 is kinda the most supercar car that lexus has which is why i thought it might be

lotus esprit WC special edition had a signed plaque

quite pog

[stoic ledge]

[frank steeple]

[wary fog]

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars/

mazda is the highest

lincion is the lowest

tesla 2nd to last

[fathom socket]

beats vw if you exclude the model y

also mini has more than 2 models smh

quite a bad study tbh if you include so few models

unless those were the only models with enough samples somehow

[wary fog]

they do surveys on many random people

maybe not enough people anwsered a certain mini

benz only gets like 40 but the gle really pulls it down

[fathom socket]

its a bad sampling method really

[stoic ledge]

Lol that's nearly always the case with such researches

We did such test nation wide once... By checking the MOT failure points Because worn windscreen wipers and low profile tires are a good indication for reliability

[dense shard]

People say manuals are "hardcore"

Reality is they're just cheap.

If you want to go fast, you get an automatic these days. If you want better fuel economy... automatic.

per Car and Driver: "But buying a manual transmission isn't about the numbers—even Mazda admits that it's "a way of life for purists." The three-pedal 3 is undoubtedly a more involving car to drive than the automatic, even if it's not necessarily better, given how satisfying the six-speed auto is in other models we've sampled."

Each time a manual is offered in the US. It's largely ignored apart from a few exceptions.

[dense shard]

Also any automaker that offers a "limited" trim must offer a number plate to show it is actually limited.

[fathom socket]

i think for a daily runabout i might consider an auto if it was actually a nice one

probably nicer for cruising about

[dense shard]

America is the land of eating in your car, long road trips, and crushing traffic.

[fathom socket]

ferrari

or lambo

oor bugatti

[indigo coral]

wtf

Mazda overtook Toyota on reliability???

That's unfortunate, I wonder where Toyota tripped up

[past copper]

You're not wrong I-94 in Chicago can take literal hours to get through...

You know its bad when the public transportation (trains) go faster than the highway.

[bitter compass]

hmm for a roadtrip I'd prefer Norway, its just prettier

[charred depot]

itll be a bit before i consider a automatic, might look for a automatic E39 once im a bit older.

theres actually quite a substantial dislike towards automatics ingrained into our society here heh.

changing alot now but still applies

[eager grove]

Manuals wayy more popular in the UK

I think I'm gonna switch away from it though

I'm hoping my next car will be an automatic

[charred depot]

smh

[eager grove]

I'm a below average driver

My gear changes are not always the smoothest, better to let the car handle it

Easier to drink cans of coke while driving 😂

[fathom socket]

its really annoying seeing a used car you might like but the only ones for sale are auto's making them basically worthless

[civic girder]

Depends

Auto has its place

[pearl bolt]

hmmm mazda is kinda suprising. but yet isn't, i know they've been working with toyota recently.

and what is a gm product doing so high up

higher then honda

hmmmm

seems kinda fishy

[dense shard]

Honda has issues these days

[charred depot]

our old hondas a tank where rust resistance is concerned and engine reliability

not to bash on mazda but i see old NB's and 10 year old mazda 3's with terrible rust

[civic girder]

Early 2000s Mazdas rust pathetically easy

They are reliable mechanically, despite using Ford shit, but they rust to pieces without meticulous care

Honda has gotten worse overall I think. They're still good, but I wouldn't rate them as high anymore

Imo Toyota and Mazda are the king's of reliability these days. Toyota is unsurprising ofc, but Mazda has come a long way from using Duratec garbage

[charred depot]

i might put rust converter on it atleast but it is at the end of the day a disposable car

ignore the temporary anti rattle tape

its not in a important place so not to bad, main concern is the front subframe might get some rust converter for that atleast

[sturdy solar]

imagine getting something kinda decent out of a superwheelspin

[flint sable]

Our 22k family sedan

[flint sable]

That has been posted here so many times

[dense shard]

Mazda's stuff hasn't changed dramatically in the last decade

They've had time to refine a lot of stuff.

Honda has had issues with engines and last gen nav units hit them hard

[neon zodiac]

make Honda good again

How, you may ask?

[fathom socket]

just got the title and keys for the 1997 audi a4

[indigo coral]

I'm just surprised to see Toyota getting their ass beat in reliability from mazda of all brands

[wary ridge]

hi

[sly breach]

Mazda is partially Japanese built and American built, so it isn't surprising

[dense shard]

Mexican built I believe

And isn't Toyota is #2?

[indigo coral]

pretty distant #2

[dense shard]

Define distant

[indigo coral]

Mazda 83, Toyota 74

Fairly wide margin

[dense shard]

And this is what... Consumer reports?

[indigo coral]

yeah

The one linked up there ^^

[dense shard]

Distant or not

Quality is still "superb"

[stoic ledge]

Consumer reports

Iirc all EU Mazda's are made in Japan

[dense shard]

CR tends to be a decent benchmarks

[stoic ledge]

Ah, the similar "institution" here is full of BS

Their car reliability is based on MOT failure points

Because worn tires and windscreen wipers are a great indicatiom for reliability

[dense shard]

In the US it's based on customer surveys

[stoic ledge]

Ah ok

[dense shard]

Still not a great indicator

[stoic ledge]

It's called "consumer union" here but its basically for consumers, not by consumers

[stoic ledge]

Atleast a bit more accurate

[dense shard]

Yes

[stoic ledge]

There's also another "research" based on the average mileage when a car gets scrapped

I mean, how's that representative

[dense shard]

Ferrari must suffer under those metrics

[stoic ledge]

Ferrari wasn't in there

Everything <300k km didn't even make the list

According to that list, the most reliable cars are:

1. Volvo
2. Saab
3. Mercedes
4. Chevrolet
5. Chrysler
6. Mitsubishi
7. Audi
8. BMW
9. Jaguar
10. Citroen
11. Alfa Romeo
12. Renault
13. Subaru
14. Hyundai
15. Volkswagen
16. Peugeot
17. Seat
18. Ford
19. Mazda
20. Honda
21. Nissan
22. Opel
    And the list stops there, so Kia, Toyota etc scored lower

Also: #12-#22 differ less than 5k km according to them, so basically no difference there

[fathom socket]

why is japan so low there

all these reliability things just never make sense

[indigo coral]

wtf, toyota is worse than nissan?

Wow

They really have fallen

[stoic ledge]

That's why I said, it doesn't makes sense

[warm sparrow]

funny that citroen is way before peugeot considering it's pretty much the same cars xD

wtf honda after all that?

who tf did this list

and for what years is this

[fathom socket]

one thing i've learned is to disregard these reliability things entirely

[dense shard]

Makes sense

The rich can afford to keep their cars going

Aygos and Fits go to kids and tend to be treated poorly

Remaining Saab owners are probably super dedicated

[sly breach]

That list is so unreliable; I would go with the Consumer Reports list

The Consumer Reports list is probably the closest you can get

[stray nacelle]

Hey what car do you think i should get when i get my drivers license?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I know doesn't make any sense

[sly breach]

Mazda 3

[stoic ledge]

Basically: city run abouts get less miles than highway cruisers

[sly breach]

Honda needs some time to return back to the table

[stoic ledge]

[sly breach]

Honda is improving right now from where they were about a year or 2

[stoic ledge]

Get a Dacia Sandero

[stray nacelle]

• Dom gets dodge charger *

[sly breach]

lol

[dense shard]

The new one is a barge

And FCA will apparently keep it around till 2023-ish

[sly breach]

FCA does not exist anymore; It is S T E L L A N T I S

[dense shard]

And the Challenger/Charger lives on

[dense shard]

What's worse than a Nissan CVT?

https://electrek.co/2020/11/17/tesla-mcu-car-touchscreen-failure-rate-nhtsa-recall/

A Tesla MCU. And 3 times more expensive I imagine.

[sand zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696521697561411595/779472876826132540/video0.mov

revving my crap audi

[dense shard]

"crap"

[sand zephyr]

yep crap

[dense shard]

uhuh

Sounds fine to me.

[charred depot]

heh i got a warning for that micra drifting

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEphlYS2oXs

oh sweet.

So apparently same platform.

But heavily refreshed.

and yes. The vents are functional.

[placid dome]

i ride her everyday

[flint sable]

Teslaporshefordjag

[dense shard]

I wouldn't give Tesla that much credit.

It looks like a 3rd gen Tiburon.

[warm sparrow]

I'd say Toyporscheaguar mainly

this BRZ isn't bad but doesn't look like a suby

[flint sable]

Yep

[civic girder]

imo it doesn't look very good

[warm sparrow]

Hm I think they played GTA V

rear view at 5:09

I knew the rear really made me think about some car

I think it was this one

[dense shard]

That's an Eclipse.

Rear end is pure Subaru. Next gen WRX has been teased with a similar rear end.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/subaru-wrx-spied-3-copy-1600875955.jpg?crop=1xw:0.9997848768419921xh;center,top&resize=768:* would be funny if the taillights were the same part number.

[warm sparrow]

yes that's based on the eclipse but the rear is still resembling imo

it also look like a little supra viewed from certain angles

particularly the rear fenders (but it's almost the same as the previous gen so..)

very toyota-y

[dense shard]

Subaru engineering, Toyota styling.

I personally find it to be much nicer compared to last gen.

[warm sparrow]

yes of course

I want to see the toyota version I hope they made a different design

well as much as possible

[dense shard]

The front bumper MIGHT be different.

Reality is they're a straight up rebadge.

[indigo coral]

More power this time?

ew still anemic

[dense shard]

220 horsepower in a car that weighs under 3000 pounds.

That's more than enough.

Power for the BRZ comes from a 2.4-liter flat-four that's related to the engine found in the Ascent, but the turbo didn't make the leap from the crossover to the coupe due to weight, packaging, and cost restrictions. Dominick Infante, the head of Subaru's public relations team, told Road & Track that turbocharging the BRZ would have required mounting the engine higher, which would have compromised handling by raising the center of gravity.

Remember. It's a budget sports car. In this case a turbo was not feasible under any context.

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTJKhMWRQTE the more I look, the more I want.

Looks amazing, sounds great... and honestly....

man

Corolla is perfect, but this looks excellent.

[indigo coral]

everyone who drove it said it was slow at 205hp or whatever it was

less than 10% faster isn't going to change that I don't think

(also its like 35k, its not really that budget)

[slim peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645418864594649100/779616520212054036/Initial_D.mp4

Me and my friends were dicking around in Assetto Corsa

I was driving the 86 Trueno

[tulip zenith]

I just found out Tesla Model 3 would cost $100,000 in my country 😞

was hoping for $50k or less

[warm sparrow]

I think it's cool that a car like this exist with no turbo, it's rare now

anyway it won't make it to europe so...

and the fact that it's naturaly aspired is why

[fathom socket]

guess its the old subaroo for us

[stoic ledge]

Yeah, Subaru sales in Europe are also low AF... and adding a car like that, they definitely won't make it to the 90gr/km average CO2 emissions which the EU wants

And it's not like they can compensate the big fines with big sales

[neon zodiac]

I think the BRZ looks good and could be great, but it's just way to underpowered.

[fathom socket]

i couldnt imagine a current brz with alot more power than its got rn

it'd end up really oversteery

[glad bloom]

The new BRZ is going to have 220 hp iirc

[neon zodiac]

When was a high power RWD car ever a bad time though?

[glad bloom]

the frot bumper looks like a porche boxster

[neon zodiac]

Yeah so it's still gonna be slow as fuck

[fathom socket]

idrc about the speed tho

its like a mx 5

doesnt need the power to be fun

[glad bloom]

"speed" is all relative to the car youre driving

if speed mattered, no one would buy a miata

or a honda grom

[neon zodiac]

The BRZ is not very fun to drive, I'd much rather have a nb Miata

[fathom socket]

also the entire car between the wheels is a Porsche boxster

it made jeremy clarkson laugh its gotta be pretty fun

[glad bloom]

well yeah id want a miata over a torque-dip- 4 cylinder that 3 companies have (had, rip scion)

[fathom socket]

where's the mazda rotary to complete the trifecta

[neon zodiac]

Yeah, they should just use the same engine as in the STI in the BRZ lol

[glad bloom]

i think thats what they are doing

let me find the article my buddy linked me

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/18/2022-subaru-brz-revealed/

the ass-end looks like a new supra, while the front looks like a porche

strange

[stray nacelle]

clean

[wild tiger]

chevy tacos are fun

[civic girder]

The Corolla has been left at the shop

Should hear back Monday

[flint sable]

Not a big fan of camber

[dense shard]

No one drove it Falcon.

The media so far has only had a passenger seat experience.

And they've all lost their marbles calling 0-60 in over 5 seconds "slow."

Vast majority of Americans don't buy fast cars. Nissan Rogue, Toyota Corolla, RAV4, Camry, Accord, and whatever other crossovers are all collectively average.

Under 200 horsepower is normal.

230 out of a 4 cylinder is impressive all things considered. And I imagine the car will be much much better to drive considering they more than likely got rid of that torque valley.

Also rumors are pointing to the car once again starting under 30k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgD0wJGcR0

[neon zodiac]

220hp from a 2.4 is not very impressive.

@dense shard The B16B from 1997 has 182hp from a 1.6 NA

[dense shard]

Yes, and the Honda performance engines tended to be fairly exotic.

"1999 Civic Si trim package featured a 1.6-litre B16A2 engine that made 160 hp"

According to wikipedia.

[neon zodiac]

That's correct yes.

10hp per 100cc

[dense shard]

Remember. The BRZ engine is basically a de-turbo'd Ascent. No fancy double lobe cams, no sodium filled valves.

It's down a few horsepower on the S2K, but is vastly more usable.

[fathom socket]

didnt know a gto had a dog leg transmission

[neon zodiac]

The S2K has 240hp from a 2.0!! Subaru needs to put a snail on the thing

[dense shard]

Which would raise the weight, cost, and center of gravity.

The last three things subaru wants and needs.

The BRZ is down 10 horsepower on the S2K, but is vastly more usable in all RPMs.

[neon zodiac]

Then the BRZ is going to remain a underperforming look alike sportscar

[dense shard]

How is it underperforming?

[neon zodiac]

Looks fast but it's slow as shit

[dense shard]

It's an affordable, lightweight, handling car.

How is it slow as shit?

[neon zodiac]

because it has a boxer without a turbo lol

[dense shard]

so?

[neon zodiac]

its boring

[dense shard]

How is it boring?

It's no Civic or Corolla.

[neon zodiac]

wdym lol?

[dense shard]

It's not pedestrian.

It's a bespoke platform, unique engine, and a focused purpose.

[neon zodiac]

Both of my civics smokes a brz

[dense shard]

Not in the turns I imagine.

[neon zodiac]

LOL

[dense shard]

Not unless you've heavily modified them.

What, you drive a Type R?

[fathom socket]

MuH pOwEr

[dense shard]

A car that starts 10k more than a BRZ?

[neon zodiac]

I have a EG hatch and a EP3 Type R which i payed 5k for.

[dense shard]

EP3... give me a year.

I don't speak bro.

[neon zodiac]

2002

[dense shard]

ah, yes. The hardcore purpose built Civic.

Which wasn't available in the US.

[neon zodiac]

Yep, but my EG is faster in the turns.

no doubt

[fathom socket]

only 197 hp?

[dense shard]

stock, yes.

[fathom socket]

pretty pedestrian if you ask me

i wouldnt touch anything south of 550

[neon zodiac]

It has around 230.

[dense shard]

200 in a car that weighs less than 3000 pounds is good.

[neon zodiac]

It has a rrc intake and some other stuff.

[dense shard]

So it is modified.

[neon zodiac]

Yes, but it will beat it stock too

no doubt

my friend has a blue BRZ

[dense shard]

I have doubts.

ok?

Should have gotten a red one.

[neon zodiac]

I beat him in my red hatch too

[fathom socket]

isnt a civic fwd doe

[dense shard]

Perhaps he's just bad at driving.

[fathom socket]

basically a golf

[dense shard]

A Civic is FWD, yes.

[neon zodiac]

which has exactly 133hp at the wheels

[dense shard]

A BRZ is plenty if you value handling.

[fathom socket]

civic isnt FR therefore basically worthless

[dense shard]

At this point I value my 'rolla hatch.

[neon zodiac]

Yes dont get me wrong i like the BRZ

[dense shard]

We got you wrong.

Cause you've been shitting on it for the last 15 minutes.

[neon zodiac]

It's just dissapointing imo

[fathom socket]

does exactly what it says on the tin and does it well

[dense shard]

Would you pay 35k for a BRZ that weighs more and handles worse?

[neon zodiac]

no

[dense shard]

...

[neon zodiac]

would I pay 35k for a 200hp non turbo subaru? No

[dense shard]

Subaru seems to agree.

Good thing they start at well under 30k.

[neon zodiac]

Not in Sweden

[dense shard]

Come to the US.

[neon zodiac]

Im good LOL

A 2012 BRZ goes for 17k.

[fathom socket]

da real best car doe

[dense shard]

urgh

That's horrible.

[fathom socket]

just is straight facts

i like how this is their ad for it

[dense shard]

The only thing straight there is the driver.

[fathom socket]

and they've chosen the worst colour imaginable

[dense shard]

BMW's entire response is just bad.

"oh well, maybe you're all just dumb and close minded"

[neon zodiac]

Heres my red lil hatch

[dense shard]

No, we don't want to spend 60k on a car that makes us sick.

Also heavily modified.

[neon zodiac]

Not heavily

[dense shard]

tires, wheels, and suspension.

The second you touch the suspension, mods become heavy.

[neon zodiac]

Coils, strut braces, some engine stuff and wheels and tires

[dense shard]

yeah, that's heavily modified.

[neon zodiac]

damn

I want to get a supercharger for my daily

[dense shard]

That's not exactly brakepads and new tires.

[neon zodiac]

the type r

[dense shard]

60 horsepower, 3 cylinders, and automatic.

[neon zodiac]

https://youtu.be/UyZxsZlMS7s?t=20 K20A2 powered Elise with a supercharger, sounds crazy

[fathom socket]

now that is a car i can agree with

1st one i mean

[dense shard]

I hit 100 km/h maybe twice.

[neon zodiac]

LOL

[dense shard]

Because kei cars at over 80 get a bit scary.

[neon zodiac]

Do you want something actually slow?

hold on

[dense shard]

Yes.

That was my car.

[fathom socket]

worth pointing out that this car beat the other 3

who needs fast when you can have fun doe

[dense shard]

It was a very fun car.

[charred depot]

i put handling way above power

[dense shard]

Tho AC in the summer killed whatever power there was.

[charred depot]

our roads actually have bends mlol

[neon zodiac]

This is slow.

[fathom socket]

chad bends > virgin straight roads

[dense shard]

Don't come to the plains.

It's all roads straighter than a ruler.

[charred depot]

our roads could of been straight in most of the places but some horse in the past went nah mate

[neon zodiac]

Yeah Hondas are slow as fuck in a straight line

[fathom socket]

slow as fuck relative to a Bugatti or a tesla

[dense shard]

I wouldn't call sub 9 second 0-60s as slow.

[neon zodiac]

LOL Teslas are only fast 0-60

[charred depot]

it is in the UK heh

considering we have 60hp corsas on the road

[fathom socket]

60hp up do be like that tho

[neon zodiac]

I would say above 8 seconds is slow

[dense shard]

I'd say above 10 is slow.

[fathom socket]

yeah above 10 slow to me i'd guess

[charred depot]

most of the cars on the road here take atleast 12.5 seconds 0-60

[fathom socket]

sub 10 is all you really need

[dense shard]

I've found that issues aren't with acceleration, but rather traffic letting you join.

People need to chill the fuck out, and learn to share the road.

[charred depot]

our sliproads are long enough for my shitbox to get up to 75mph

[fathom socket]

i wonder what the lowest power to weight ratio car for sale in the uk is rn

[charred depot]

the 1.0 litre corsa isnt sold anymore i dont think

[dense shard]

so I will stand by this.

[charred depot]

stopped in 2014

[dense shard]

The BRZ is plenty fast for what it was designed to be.

And 95% of the customers who buy it will never hit the car's limit.

They'll bitch at it being too slow, then curb it going 25mph.

[fathom socket]

but the real question is, supra or a110

[dense shard]

A110 being?

[fathom socket]

alpine a110

[dense shard]

Supra.

[fathom socket]

reasonings?

[neon zodiac]

Probably true. I still think its dissapointing, looks fast and cool and everything but really isnt

[dense shard]

Besides being bigger, more refined, more comfortable?

I trust the Japanese over the French for QC and durability.

It is cool. And it's plenty fast.

Once again. People will likely never explore the car's limits, and wouldn't be affected by the car having 150 or 200 horsepower.

[neon zodiac]

I'd rather get a Clio RS Trophy than a Supra

[dense shard]

Same ethos as the Miata.

[fathom socket]

according to whatcar the alpine has better ride quality than the subra

[dense shard]

Handling over speed.

[neon zodiac]

@dense shard Dont forget the Supra is basically BMW

[dense shard]

I'm aware. I'm also aware it still went through Toyota QC and is built by Magna Steyr.

[fathom socket]

they're practically identical in speed so its handling or raw poower

i think if i had them in front of me i might be tempted to get the a110 personally

[neon zodiac]

I'd just get a FK8 CTR lol

[dense shard]

Not a fan of it.

[neon zodiac]

more space, more seats, K20 powah baby

etc etc

[fathom socket]

what if i dont want a yob-mobile

[dense shard]

Corolla GR might be interesting when it comes out.

New WRX next year.

[neon zodiac]

A yob mobile.. damn

Bet you the alpine gets a lot more looks than a FK8

• the FK8 is faster, much faster.

[fathom socket]

haha alpine does more mpg with less emissions than my mini

[dense shard]

I'd take the Civic over the Alpine.

[fathom socket]

and the supra has nearly identical co2

[dense shard]

ah, you're talking bout the 4 cylinder Supra.

[fathom socket]

well i'd ask james may but he has both

no 6

[dense shard]

The six has 350+ horsepower.

[dense shard]

A good deal more than the Alpine.

[fathom socket]

yes

but

more heavier so identical 0-60

[dense shard]

It's 385 now.

[neon zodiac]

I think maintence will be a lot more expensive as well

on the alpine

[dense shard]

Alpine isn't really sold in the US, so no brainer.

[neon zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/honda-civic-honda-honda-civic-type-r-car-cars-gif-16355906

aaah looks so good

[fathom socket]

i've seen both and liked the alpine a bit more i think

[dense shard]

I'm looking forward to the next gen Civic.

Those fake vents kill me.

[fathom socket]

its too much its got like what 5 spoilers?

[dense shard]

Especially since the early CTRs had heat issues.

The car was writing checks it refused to cash.

[neon zodiac]

What I don't like is the fact its basically the size of an accord now

[dense shard]

It be like that.

[neon zodiac]

2021 has a new grill.

[dense shard]

That's partially why I went with a Corolla.

[neon zodiac]

or 2020?

[dense shard]

Si was nice, but oversized and I didn't trust the engine.

[neon zodiac]

What engine was in the Si?

1.0?

[dense shard]

The 1.5T global engine.

[neon zodiac]

oh

yeah

1.5

[dense shard]

The one recalled in China for oil dilution.

The same one that has the very same issue around the world.

But hasn't been recalled.

[neon zodiac]

Honestly

just K20 the world

[dense shard]

I'm happy with my M20A.

[neon zodiac]

hrmmm

M-Series

idk man

[charred depot]

D16 :^ |

[neon zodiac]

dude

they look so good

[dense shard]

She has the power, style, and comfort.

And is still a compact car. Unlike the Sentra and Civic.

[neon zodiac]

Yeah it's nice

[dense shard]

Also manual, 2.0L, and white interior.

[neon zodiac]

NO

[dense shard]

Rare combo last I checked.

[neon zodiac]

I dont like white interiors

at all

[dense shard]

I love it.

All black is blah.

dual tone is the only way to go imo.

[neon zodiac]

A swedish guy that lives in the states I follow on insta

His daily

[charred depot]

thats not a compact, this is a compact :^)

[dense shard]

I'm going by US sizes.

[stoic ledge]

^^ Too many doors

[dense shard]

The Corolla is a compact.

One thing I appreciate is the Corolla HB hasn't been built for the US market.

Also need to get a roof rack soon.

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

5 doors easier for deliveries :^)

[dense shard]

I wish the HB was offered in 2 doors.

I really don't need the back doors.

[charred depot]

i have the back seats removed from mine, mazdavan

[dense shard]

I still love that the 2.0 in the Corolla is basically exclusive to the US.

The rest of the world gets the 2.0 as a hybrid or a 1.2T.

[stoic ledge]

EU = 1.2T, 1.8 Hybrid or 2.0 Hybrid

[charred depot]

our insurance companies are meanies

[dense shard]

They're mean everywhere.

[charred depot]

need a slow as shit model for those under 21's that dont want to pay extortinate

[stoic ledge]

same

[charred depot]

mind you it is cheaper to insure a 240hp rwd S2000 than it is a Corolla

£800/y for the S2000, £1300/y black box with the civic and like £1500/y black box with an accord.

[dense shard]

I refused to use a black box dongle.

I know I'm paying more, but I really don't need to be tracked even more.

[charred depot]

my cheapest option was no black box

on single track roads black boxes are brutal

[dense shard]

"let us track you so you can get a discount"

Maybe if I get a hybrid.

[charred depot]

they dont care why you slammed on the brakes just haha you brake fast u bad

[dense shard]

Because outside of a few exceptions, yes.

People who accelerate or brake aggressively tend to be in more accidents.

[charred depot]

yeah but it can be anything from a kid running out

[dense shard]

Same goes for people who drive between 0:00 and 6:00.

Kids don't run out on a regular basis.

[charred depot]

to going around literally any bend on a single track road

[dense shard]

Stop signs are a regular occurance.

[charred depot]

even so some of them are anal

[indigo coral]

My insurance is ridiculously expensive

[stoic ledge]

I have to accelerate aggressively because there is 0 power

[indigo coral]

Despite having a cheap slow car

[charred depot]

not here heh

a kid running out is more common that a stop sign

[indigo coral]

yeah the obd2 dongles should be illegal

[dense shard]

Sounds like a your area issue.

They're an option for now.

[charred depot]

no literally there is like 1 stop sign in my town

[indigo coral]

for now

[charred depot]

in the middle of nowhere

[dense shard]

I know my car has a built in black box. So if the insurance ever wants it after a crash, they can ask for it.

[charred depot]

atleast a couple of years ago when someone i knew had one they would fine for anything

[indigo coral]

i have a dashcam

[dense shard]

Still shopping for a dash cam.

Think I'll just stop by the dealership so they can pull my A-pillar trim off.

[charred depot]

they are probably less dickheads now but used to be a complete scam

[indigo coral]

yeah and alot of them are relaly stupidly made

like lets say it fines you for going beyond 10% throttle

10% is VERY different in a prius vs a hellcat

but its considered the same by the little dongle

[dense shard]

The dongles don't measure throttle input.

[indigo coral]

some do

[charred depot]

they can

[indigo coral]

friend of mine had one in her kia

[dense shard]

They measure acceleration. There's usually a little g force meter inside.

[indigo coral]

every time she got on the gas it would beep at her

[charred depot]

they can do many things Monte is not a single dongle fits all companies

[indigo coral]

which means it just reported to the insurance company

[dense shard]

Perhaps she's tripping the g-meter.

[indigo coral]

in a little kia subcompact?

doubt

iirc it was a rio hatchback

[dense shard]

You can trip meters in any car.

[indigo coral]

I refuse to get one of the dongle things

I don't need them creeping over my shoulder every time I got 1mph over thej speed limit or have to punch it onto the highway

[dense shard]

They rarely ever measure speed.

Just consistency of acceleration and braking.

[indigo coral]

which still is really fucking stupid

[dense shard]

Most people drive the speed limit.

[charred depot]

i can promise you they measure speed

[indigo coral]

Oh, you have to stop for a child in the road? Higher rates. You need to punch it to merge on the highway? Higher rates.

That shouldn't be legal.

[dense shard]

It is.

You sign up for it and agree to the ToS.

[charred depot]

literally every one in the UK i can 100% say will measure speed

[dense shard]

I can't speak for the UK.

US companies rarely ever measure speed.

Just times, and accelerations.

[indigo coral]

I refuse to get a spy-box

[charred depot]

ours know your location

[dense shard]

You already have a spy box in your pocket.

[indigo coral]

insurance companies don't creep on that

my insurance is already ludicrously expensive, I ain't need it to be even higher

[charred depot]

but yeah i have no control over someone swinging around a single track road bend at 25mph

[dense shard]

Pretty sure the insurance rates won't go up unless you're really stupid.

The dongles are there to give you a discount.

[indigo coral]

no they're not LMFAO

[charred depot]

back in whenever they gave out fines

[dense shard]

Otherwise people would have no incentive to use them.

[indigo coral]

They're there to give the insurance companies literally any excuse to raise your rates

[dense shard]

Prove me wrong, Falcon.

[charred depot]

the incentive is a initially lower rate

[indigo coral]

They tell you that your rate will go down but then they decide you don't deserve it and jack them up instead

[dense shard]

I haven't heard that at all.

All the companies offer either a discount, or find you don't deserve one.

[indigo coral]

it's an insurance company, they literally are out to screw you over

[charred depot]

if they can make more of you, theyre gonna

[dense shard]

They're not charities.

They're out there to make sure you aren't about to defraud them of money.

[charred depot]

theyre also out there to make as much as they can

[indigo coral]

500$ a month for minimal insurance on an ancient car is fucking out to lunch

but oh well, guess I'm just a bad driver

[dense shard]

And if you're driving like an asshole, perhaps you deserve an increased rate.

Progressive warns that your rates may increase if you are a high-risk driver based on your Snapshot information, but it says only two out of ten drivers experience that.

20% of drivers are so bad they get an incrase.

If you drive sanely, chances are you are safe.

[indigo coral]

I'd get high-risk categorization in like 10 minutes considering those are made for modern cars

[charred depot]

well i can say where i live it wouldnt be entirely possible

[dense shard]

Sorry if I offended anyone, but after living with my car's safety tech for the last year and a half.

I've found that it takes some obviously sketchy shit to make the system beep at me.

At this point I'm fully inclined to believe that people who complain about these systems shouldn't be driving.

[indigo coral]

Maybe the ones in your corolla, but those insurance dongles are ridiculously sensitive

even the smallest braking force will make it report home

and then your rates skyrocket

[dense shard]

I'm questioning that.

[indigo coral]

they're not fair, they're not even close to reality

[dense shard]

Because people have the same exact complaint about the safety tech.

[indigo coral]

they're just an excuse to pull more money out of consumers

[dense shard]

"Oh I drive normally and it beeps at me, it's sooooooo sensitive"

Then I end up driving with these people, and I nearly shit myself.

Like... yeah no shit you got a ticket. I'm tempted to walk back.

[indigo coral]

well maybe I'm just a bad driver then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but unfortunately for you driving is essential here, so I'm not just gonna throw in the towel and quit

[charred depot]

id have no issue with them putting a camera in my car

[dense shard]

The discounts are retroactive not proactive.

That's why I haven't signed up. They're harvesting data at no cost. If they want my habits, they gotta pay me up front. :3c

That's why my FB account is totally empty.

You gotta pay to unlock my life DLC.

[charred depot]

oh here is just cheaper initially and can be given fines during it and then the data is used to determine your renewal price

[dense shard]

Once again. Cash up front. Otherwise keep guessing.

[charred depot]

but 99% of the time they increase your renewal price anyway

[dense shard]

My costs tend to go down.

[charred depot]

all you have to do though is call them and say x company offered me y

and they will beat that

still happens to my sister who doesent have a black box anymore

[dense shard]

And that. I do plan on shopping around next renew.

Insurance companies tend to be fairly aggressive on fucking you cause they know you won't move 90% of the time... which is a remarkably toxic relationship now that I've thought about it.

@ everyone. Shop for insurance! Tell your current plan to take a hike!

[charred depot]

unfortunetely my friend that got rear ended and side swiped has to pay more

even though his company had to pay out £0

[dense shard]

He should probably take the company to court.

[charred depot]

no its every company

[dense shard]

Not in the US.

[charred depot]

for the next 3-5 years he will have to pay more

thats how long you have to declare fault and non fault accidents for

[dense shard]

I should probably raise my deductible next year.

[charred depot]

my first year was £1000 deductable and £1000/y for the policy

[dense shard]

wait... I think I have a lowering deductible.

[charred depot]

if my parents crashed my car their deductable is £250

having my parents on my policy even though they dont drive it lowers the cost significantly

[dense shard]

yeeeep

[charred depot]

he only has to pay like £150 more per year but still

[indigo coral]

I had looked around at other insurance companies

but the others were even worse

[charred depot]

thats ontop of the £700/y he has to pay

[indigo coral]

900-1300$ a MONTH with liberty mutual

[charred depot]

but yeah non fault crashes are brutal if you own multiple cars

I have problems with grit and little rocks getting stuck in my tyre cut outs heh

not sure if its a issue or not but they are certainly chilling in there

[stoic ledge]

Wait that happened to you?

[charred depot]

nah a friend

if it was me and i saw that coming id of yeeted my car into the kerb mlol

hes got pretty low profile tyres and power coated alloys though so

whereas my alloys cost like £80 and are spray painted

[stoic ledge]

I probably would've braked lol, you saw him coming

Ah well, ez to judge from behind the screen

[charred depot]

yeah you see him dive for the kerb i think then go nah

damaged both doors the mirror and quaterpanel i think

[stoic ledge]

OOF rip

Well if he hit the curb, missed the Volvo, Volvo drove off, there wouldn't have been an accident be he would have massive chassis damage

[charred depot]

its still leaving the scene if you cause something

[stoic ledge]

True

That's why we have dashcams

Because others can't drive but they'll try to blame it on you

Yeah did see that one

Hope they caught the Ka

Bastard

[flint sable]

Just saw someone do one of those

[stoic ledge]

[flint sable]

“My best friends rich check” things on tiktok flexing their dads BASE 3 series

yikes

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

i dont get why people dont just follow the lines its literally painted, im not the best at navigating but i just call it the scenic route theres roundabouts everywhere to do a u turn at.

[stoic ledge]

Same with people reversing/braking/... For exits on the highway