cars

[charred depot]

Our systems pretty fucked as we have 3 seperate ones pre 2001, 2001-2017 and 2017 onwards but generally its not too expensive

latest system normalises a annual rate of like £180/y between all cars I am sure

Hilariously because of that electric vehicles will pay more tax than a 2000's old tdi which will be like £30/y

[white heart]

Holy fuck

[charred depot]

All of my cars that still require tax to be payed are like £330/y

as pre 2001 over 1.5L: £330 and under is like £250 cant remember rarely had it

only 2 bands pre 2001

Not long till all of my stuff is exempt from inspections and tax though

[white heart]

Jesus fucking Christ that's expensive

Thank god my parents will help me out for the first car and most of it's running costs

[charred depot]

Yeah its a little annoying considering their age and how 10-15 year old tdi mega mile crunchers get cheaper tax but eh

the 2017 tax change was probably just a money grab by the government at the time making everyone pay a significant lump sum at purchase

Whats more annoying is that I pay for insurance on 4 of the same car and dont get a discount 😭

[dull cedar]

The only Volvo owner I knew had it in the shop far too frequently and the bills were far too high

[white heart]

I mean I can't lie

Your government fucking sucks man

[white heart]

After GED pushing me to buy a 205, watch Ethan push me to buy a Corolla /j

How are you mate

[dull cedar]

Ged, stop telling the child to make bad decisions

[charred depot]

Eh theres worse than that but atleast I can mostly do what I want with cars

[dull cedar]

💀

[charred depot]

205's are fine, its like a corolla but not numb as fuck : )

[dull cedar]

Don't you dare compare french garbage to a toyota

[white heart]

Oooooh let me grab my popcorn at midnight

[white heart]

Damn did you die

[dull cedar]

[charred depot]

old toyota's are fine but too boring

[dull cedar]

Skill issue

[white heart]

I can do them myself

[dull cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[white heart]

Oh yeah I'm a bit biased on the whole situation

[white heart]

Ow

[charred depot]

They are just numb I get to drive a wide range of old cars and we quickly find out what's fun

[dull cedar]

Again, skill issue

[white heart]

This is like watching my parents arguing over custody all over again /s

[charred depot]

its not a skill issue, like old audi's being tragically understeery its just their nature.

[white heart]

Me think imma disappoint the two of you by getting the worst possible car I could get for a first car

[charred depot]

old french cars always trump handling wise in this way

[dull cedar]

My E100 Corolla was fun as fuck to drive, just floor it everywhere

My Corolla Fielder Z is a different kind of fun... I can't floor it until like 3rd because it just wheelspins

[charred depot]

I have driven a E100 they dont rotate

[white heart]

My first car is most likely either gonna be unreliable as fuck or boring as fuck

[dull cedar]

Rotate?

[charred depot]

I like a car to oversteer when I lift off

[dull cedar]

...

Lift off oversteer is not a good thing

[charred depot]

It is if you can use it

It's what makes old french cars so enjoyable to drive

[dull cedar]

Also they very much can have liftoff oversteer if you're not driving a pov spec one with no arbs

[charred depot]

And why they do so well on track

basically every car will have it if you force it but its very usable in a 205

[forest lintel]

205s are cool cars indeed

[charred depot]

even standard 205's with some nice tyres dominate on tracks because of this

You can mess with the suspension on toyotas and trade all comfort for fun handling but I have always found Peugeot has a good balance standard.

[halcyon grotto]

Reliable but not super cheap to fix if it goes wrong

[charred depot]

I was going to buy a V50 before they brought in the low emission zones : (

[halcyon grotto]

Do like those, the ones I see have seemed to last better than similar age v70

[charred depot]

All the estate cars peugeot / citroen makes with the hdi I dont quite like and that was a good option but no

[halcyon grotto]

Probably because parts are cheaper

I was considering a diesel but with the LEZs I don't doubt they'll expand them at some point soon-ish

[charred depot]

Friend had one with the 2.0hdi as well it was bulletproof but he had to get rid for the LEZ and now has a Peugeot 405 (not my idea I promise)

[halcyon grotto]

Wouldn't your cars all be exempt due to historical whatnots

[halcyon grotto]

Tragic

[charred depot]

Yeah they are which is why I cant have a new car

Have to have a old car basically

[halcyon grotto]

It's probably for the best

[charred depot]

Yeah I was pretty unhappy at the time, almost went downhill.

[halcyon grotto]

What do you think about the pay per mile gubbins given you have multiple vehicles

Seems a bit better? Depends a lot on execution

[charred depot]

Dunno they would have to make a proper camera network around the country to enforce it as my odometers could easily stop moving

Not that they arent already somewhat doing that

Insurance is my biggest issue generally but thats not going to change, unfortunetely due to young people abusing trade policies in the past it is very hard to get one unless you are old.

[halcyon grotto]

Hmm

I suppose none of these things are "designed" to make owning multiple vehicles cheaper

Literally free money on their part

[charred depot]

Yeah its only going to get worse but im enjoying stuff while I can, I only really enjoy driving on track these days anyway.

[halcyon grotto]

Yeah gotta make the most of it

No matter what happens it's not gonna look good for ICE in a few years

[lone fern]

good luck europeans

[forest lintel]

Pretty much a Ford Focus

[charred depot]

Yeah realised that doing the wheel bearing on one

same ford setup that requires a 500000 tonne press as no circlip or anything

[forest lintel]

Might be the worst Volvo

[charred depot]

I wouldnt mind a 740/940 but the diesel engines they came with are shit

and the fuel economy with the petrols is way too tragic

Maybe I will throw the money and swapping one to a merc or better vw diesel some day.

[forest lintel]

Aren't they already vw diesels?

[dull cedar]

Yep, D24

[forest lintel]

Oh, so same as in the 240

Slow and horrible

[charred depot]

hence better

the engine bay of them looks pretty hilarious with a pre PD 1.9 tdi in them, all the room.

[forest lintel]

So small

Like the engine bay of an Amazon 122

[charred depot]

Maybe I could live with 25mpg but that might be a overestimate for a petrol brick

Ive always preferred diesels as regardless of age they tend do get good MPG and you can often easily increase power but it is nice to rev out a petrol now and then.

[forest lintel]

Indeed, though the red blocks aren't the most rev happy engines

[dull cedar]

Who needs revs when you can have all the torque at barely above idle

[forest lintel]

In a D24?

[dull cedar]

In any good diesel, I don't know shit about euro stuff

[worldly oasis]

My p2 gets 25.7

[velvet blaze]

So irritated rn lol

I just did a water pump on 2 separate cars

My golf and my dads ram

Both just failed less than a week apart a month after I did them

Both part failures

[dull cedar]

I'm still surprised at how little fuel this wagon uses

[quick geode]

megane gud
e class 👎

[pure pond]

sounds more like skill issue

[prisma frost]

🐑

[prisma frost]

I think you need to check ur engine

[velvet blaze]

Its still there

[prisma frost]

Ah all good then

[velvet blaze]

Lots of fluids pouring out all over the place, but its there

[halcyon grotto]

my p2 2.4 gets like 33 on the motorway

like 15 urban lol

[forest lintel]

Welp, something is wrong

[velvet blaze]

The manufacturer

[forest lintel]

Possibly, don't think they will take back 25 year old cars though

[sweet steeple]

ya think he got enough gauges?

[civic spoke]

All of them seem reasonable.
Fuel, trans temp, water temp, pressure of something, volt, oil pressure, fuel pressure.

[sweet steeple]

from the price of all those gauges you might as well get one of those digital displays

[charred depot]

retro look but yeah the gauge discipline needed to make all the worthwhile ehh

[forest lintel]

Analog gauges are much prettier though

Not that those are very good looking gauges

[lone fern]

getting the new whip tinted tmrw yayy

this time going 50% windshield 5% all other windows

and shopping for a set of enkei j10’s to replace the ugly stock wheels

[dusk ocean]

@compact grotto you watch this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuToT4V3E7E&t=1123s

[compact grotto]

just finished like 30 minutes ago lol

Ever since you linked me that GTR video, i've watched every one

[dusk ocean]

it took me a few hours today lol, lot of distractions - but dude, the rad vs intercooler cap omg

[compact grotto]

I'm very jealous of the AMG GT-R he just did

[dusk ocean]

why would ford make both fit each other

yeah though he did a lot of work on that one

that one looked bad with the coolant in the chamber

[compact grotto]

last weekends video he went into the history of the car, which I always find fun

[dusk ocean]

did he actually find out tho

[compact grotto]

yeah, had quite a past

[dusk ocean]

i know he found it what car it wasn't

it was wrapped white or something in a rap video?

[compact grotto]

Yeah

has clips from the video lol

[dusk ocean]

the cobra is sick

he was wrong about the original t-stat, someone drilled it not for "running cooler" but for bleeding air without it opening

OG trick for bleeding

[compact grotto]

All I can think about with those Termi cobras is do you remember Jimmy

and the blue Cobra from the IMV Films videos

[dusk ocean]

hmm no

[compact grotto]

but that gen Cobra was always cool

[dusk ocean]

yah i liked it

the GTs were ass though

this cobra though has some weird mods even for a road race car

diff cooler on this is massively overkill

[compact grotto]

I saw that cooler and he was wondering what it was. i knew it had to be for the diff given the location

but yeah, why the nitrous

[dusk ocean]

yeah i could see someone doing a trans cooler back there also, but a transcooler on a manual is weird also

yeah so many questions

the battery + and - cable to the back he thought was for a sub was for the kenne bell boost-a-pump

you ever seen those?

[compact grotto]

Oh yeah I've heard of that

[dusk ocean]

yah its like a capacitive system that takes +12v and makes it into like 17-21v

basically overvolts a stock pump

[compact grotto]

or run it on a dewalt drill battery 🤣

[dusk ocean]

lol this was way before lion

it would like boost-based control the voltage to the pump

[compact grotto]

thoughts?

[dusk ocean]

sicko mode

would change the wheels but otherwise sick

[compact grotto]

full polished BBS is a tiny bit "look at me"

[dusk ocean]

Yes but also they're trying to get low offset on a high offset setup I hate how the centers bow, looks cheap to me

[past copper]

Is that a Geo Metro?

[solar rapids]

Yup.

[past copper]

In the Flesh, my mother has stories about her old car...

[solar rapids]

Well, Chevrolet Sprint, but same car, just Canadian.

[solar rapids]

Ay, neat. What kinda stories?

[past copper]

like how in the winter you could only have the heat on defrost, and the time that someone completely destroyed a brand new 95 monte carolo by crashing into a tree and barrel rolling into all of the neighbor's cars and barley leaving a scratch on the mighty 3 cylinder geo.

I've got pictures but I need to convert them...

The monte carlo rolled until it made it to the wall of the apartment and somehow the drunk person inside was still conscious.

[hollow pasture]

WOO!

[native coyote]

Just added roof lights, soo happy rn

[forest lintel]

Who needs the sun anyway?

[native coyote]

Just make your own :D

The power of the sun, in the palm of my hands

[forest lintel]

Or the roof of a Toyota, same same

[native ermine]

thanks.. i didn't know how big an engine was xD

[solar rapids]

Lol, dang. That's neat.

[solar rapids]

To be fair, this is a really small engine.

[humble hill]

Almost done the wrap

[solar bough]

I spent forever cleaning mold out only for IT TO GROW BACK 😭

This car has all sorts of problems 😒

[worldly oasis]

ATP just burn the car down and claim insurance

[gentle thicket]

There's apparently some sort of fumigator you can use in the car to kill stuff. I think I saw it in a Tavarish video.

[solar bough]

It hasn't even been on the insurance for a month 😭

[dusk ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWMZeSmgLcY

[lone fern]

honestly might be best to throw those seats out, once ya can see the mold it’s spread EVERYWHERE 😭

[glad mantle]

I was at a car show earlier in vancouver and took a few pics but this is the only one I have on hand rn lmao

The ZR1 was gorgeous

I'll have to grab my other pictures and share some of them

[lone fern]

gah i love vettes but that front plate ruins it 😭

glad i live in a place where front plates arent required

[glad mantle]

yeah front plates are mandated here

a lot of people just ignore it though

all 4 of my cars have no plates on the front

I just pay the fee if I get ticketed

[lone fern]

good call

fuck front plates

especially for cars that don’t have good places to mount

[glad mantle]

I mean it's a stupid regulation, the reason it exists is for cameras to be able to identify both front and rear plates

[lone fern]

i aint drilling through a good bumper

[glad mantle]

but all of those camera systems are typically only facing the direction of the side of the street they're on

[lone fern]

yeahh they’re big dumb

[glad mantle]

Cops stopped caring here a couple years ago about it

I don't know anybody that's been ticketed for no front plate in the last two years

I got three tickets for it between 2021 and 2022 and not a single one since

(And I've been pulled over three times since then)

I got a tint ticket but no plate ticket the last time I got one

the cop literally said to me "I think that rule is pretty silly" and just didn't write me a ticket for the plate LOL

but he did for the tint

[lone fern]

holy w cops

[glad mantle]

Most of the cops here are pretty chill actually

A lot of them are also car guys and whatnot, car culture in BC is massive

Vancouver and Surrey PDs are where the assholes are

but RCMP is generally pretty good

[lone fern]

no tint laws besides windshield tint here (which I just got so ima be pulled over a lot more but whatever) but the cops where i live (rural small town in northern michigan) pull my ass over for anything :((

[glad mantle]

Tbf I do understand why tint laws exist for front side windows and windshield

it's not as stupid as plates

[lone fern]

got a ticket for 32 in a 25 right in front of the sign where it changes from 35 to 25

[glad mantle]

but I personalyl still think they are too harsh

[lone fern]

i’d find tint laws more reasonable if cops also didn’t have “illegal” tint

[glad mantle]

Exactly lol

Also I think that wanting to conceal your identity when in a car is actually a legit reason to get tint for certain people (e.g. famous people/politicians)

If a cop pulls you over they will see who it is

[lone fern]

yeah i mean imo everyone should have the right to privacy in their own car bc it’s not public property, the cops will figure out who tf i am when i roll the window down

[glad mantle]

One of the reasons I've been given is because "it can be more difficult to break windows in the event you need to be extracted from the vehicle" which is technically true but only situationally valid, but an argument can be made that window tint can be safer in certain contexts all around (e.g. not having bright LEDs from behind you fuck up your vision at night)

[lone fern]

i do get it in terms of not knowing if they have a weapon behind said tint tho

[glad mantle]

I have bad astigmatism in one eye and I have tint on my front windows specifically so I can see at night

It's on my front side windows but not my windshield

[lone fern]

yeahhh however in a wreck it makes glass much safer so it’s kind of a wash lmao

[glad mantle]

Without tint I get bad halos if a car is following me and it gives me migraines

[lone fern]

samee

that’s why i went 5%

[glad mantle]

I just did 50% and it was enough for me

the rears are 20%

but I also did that so the tint would match my roof tint

[lone fern]

i have 50% on the windshield and 5% the rest of the car

[glad mantle]

I think thats reasonable

I like 5% but personal preference for me is it's too dark

in the sense that it makes my interior really dark

[lone fern]

honestly with quality film visibility isn’t too bad but yeah it does make it dark

[glad mantle]

I've thought about getting my R8's windows tinted but tbh I probably wont

[lone fern]

it’s how i like it tho

[glad mantle]

i don't drive it at night almost ever

so its not really a big deal

and I usually have the roof down so the tint would be kind of pointless lmao

[lone fern]

lmaoo yeah

[glad mantle]

like imagine being in the convertible with dark as hell windows

seems kinda silly to me

[lone fern]

i drive a lot at night and early morning

[lone fern]

yeah that would look goofy 😭

[glad mantle]

trying to find photo examples and it's very hard

because nobody tints the convertible's windows LMAO

I found two cars with them tinted but the photos were all with the roofs up 😭

[lone fern]

eww yuck good thing u didnt tint them crazy

why 😭

[glad mantle]

LMAOOOO OH MY GOD THATS SO BAD

comically bad

[lone fern]

its awful oh god

honestly i feel bad for the guy he probably didn’t think about it till he put the top down

[glad mantle]

a mild tint is okay

this is 60%

but 20% or higher looks so very wrong

[lone fern]

yeah that’s reasonable and honestly some factory tints are about as dark

[gentle thicket]

I mean if the top is down why are the windows up

[glad mantle]

Sometimes you don't want all the wind hitting the sides of your face and entering the cabin

but want the openness of the lack of a roof

[lone fern]

i dunno, my grandma drives her convertable chrysler sebring with the windows up (btw what a shitty terrible car 😭 but she thinks it’s hot shit so i hold my tongue)

[glad mantle]

I usually keep the windows up when the roof is down

unless I'm cruising for a long time and want to rest my hand on the door

the windows make a massive difference to wind noise and such as well

you'd think it's negligible but it really isn't

[lone fern]

yeah definitely esp on the highway

[glad mantle]

it's VERY noticeable

It makes about as much difference as roof down vs up does, relatively speaking

if my roof is up though my windows are usually down

earlier when I was coming home I had roof and windows up though so that I could feel the AC lol

[lone fern]

nothing beats windows down and ac blasting

very priviliged to finally be back in a car with working ac now lmao

[gentle thicket]

I do miss those days.

[glad mantle]

lmao that's so real, my old E39 didn't have working AC

it sucked ass

[lone fern]

i’m back into a nice car and not dailying 1000$ beaters and oh lord i am so spoiled with noise cancellation, a bose sound system, and carplay

coming from a beat to shit pontiac vibe

[gentle thicket]

You get the buick?

[glad mantle]

Oh also to be fair stuff like the del sol is a bit different (iirc it's a hard top slopeback right? Almost like a targa top)
Like I imagine I'd probably want the windows down more often in a car like the del sol, it's not quite as open as soft top convertibles are

[gentle thicket]

It IS a targa top but with a power rear window

[glad mantle]

One of my neighbors has a del sol and I think they're pretty cool

[lone fern]

yeah, i’d have prefered a diff car but the price was just too good and it rides so nice, i’ll probably dump a shit load of miles on it and sell it in like 5-7 years

[glad mantle]

ahh then yeah exactly

[glad mantle]

I drove a T top and soft top back to back and the wind difference is crazy between the two

[gentle thicket]

The del Sol is basically a soft top with a decorative roll bar one the roof is off and the rear window is down.

[lone fern]

i love silly little cars like del sols

[glad mantle]

I've thought about buying a capuccino

[gentle thicket]

It's a great car. I hope to get another one day since mine is likely already beyond repair.

[glad mantle]

im a big dude tho so it's kinda bad for me to be in small cars

I am selling my RX-7 for that reason

its interior is pretty horrible

[gentle thicket]

Although my next car may be a RF ND.

[glad mantle]

good choice

[lone fern]

yeah i don’t think my 6’2 ass could fit in a cappuccino

[glad mantle]

I had an ND

they're amaaazing

[lone fern]

i barely fit in a first gen crv

[glad mantle]

second most fun I've ever had in a car is my ND miata actually lmao

it was a soft top tho

not the RF

[lone fern]

i’ve had the most fun in tiny shitboxes

[glad mantle]

yeah

[lone fern]

i do miss my cavalier 😭🤣

[glad mantle]

my #1 was a 2004 RX-8

genuinely the most fun I've EVER had in a car

but I refuse to own one again

the RX-8 is such a terrible car

but i love it so much

[gentle thicket]

Yeah, I went to go test drive an S2000 at a Honda dealership like 20 years ago and they wanted to get their hands on my Sol so bad. lol I didn't fit in the S2000 well. The steering wheel was practically sitting on my legs. I also wasn't a fan of the six speed. Shifts too quick for daily driving. Oh and rag tops are crap.

[glad mantle]

it needs to be a really good soft top for it to be good

they do exist but not in hondas

[gentle thicket]

IDK. they all sound like drum skins and can be cut open.

[glad mantle]

That's not the experience I've had with expensive convertibles

Quality is substantially higher on significantly more expensive cars lol

[lone fern]

very cheap now but near impossible to fix them

but spinny dorito go brrrr

[glad mantle]

yeah exactly

I bought mine for $800 USD

[lone fern]

then promptly explodes

[glad mantle]

running and driving

it exploded 3 months later

sold it for $600 USD

[lone fern]

jesus probably not for long

3 months not bad

i gauge my purchases w my shitbox prices

my newest car was about 20 pontiac vibes

650$ beater

[dull cedar]

Rookie mistake, you don't just wipe mold away.
It's not just on the surface, you have to kill it

[solar bough]

I did, I used apple cider vinegar

Cause I didn't have just straight vinegar

[prisma frost]

Cursed car is sold

[merry mason]

Pay someone to wet clean it

[white heart]

what are you getting instead ?

[prisma frost]

Maybe a Mazda 3

Something that has a better reliability status

[torn swan]

i forgot i have a towing ball 🤡

[white heart]

fair

[prisma frost]

Shh just drive away

[prisma frost]

I have driven a nice 35,182km in my 1 year, 4 months and 16 days of ownership.

[dull cedar]

I drove 40k from June last year to June this year

38k in the old car and 2k in the new one

[cold cypress]

a towing ball would’ve been useful today

i got rear ended by somebody’s grandfather

[torn swan]

that’s why i have one

[cold cypress]

my car cannot tow unfortunately

[lucid jungle]

idk. If I'm not using my hitch, I take everything off.

[stoic ledge]

Then don't get a SkyActiv-X

[prisma frost]

How come. I thought their 2.0 skyactiv were good engines

[stoic ledge]

SkyActiv-G sure, SkyActive-X no

[prisma frost]

From when did they start putting the X engines in.

[stoic ledge]

Classic they sensored lmg tf y

But google is your friend

(2019)

It depends whether it's a 2.0 with 122 or 165hp, or one with 180hp

180 is SkyActive-X

(or 186 for the MHEV)

Usually it's also in the name

[prisma frost]

Talking about these models

So they have the G then

[austere tangle]

Skyactiv the goat

[stoic ledge]

Those never got the -X no

Those are fine

[edgy bough]

Maybe a mx30 could be a choice?

[prisma frost]

My budget is kinda like €12000-13000

[edgy bough]

Wtf, they are almost 40k????

I paid 15k for a used 2021 model with less that 22k km.

[edgy bough]

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/mazda-mx-30-e-skyactiv-145pk-skydrive-electric-grey-3d1ad97d-59ba-4188-bbae-b992d84c81b1?search_id=m7tqourfp3&source_otp=nfm&ap_tier=t50&source=listpage_search-results&applied_boost_level=t50&boost_level=t50&topspot_algorithm=nfm-default&topspot_dealer_id=17858077&relevance_adjustment=sponsored&boosting_product=mia#m7tqourfp3

[prisma frost]

Bit out of my budget

[stoic ledge]

https://ev-database.org/nl/auto/1241/Mazda-MX-30

MX-30 is nice if you don't drive that much/far

170km real world, drive 10-80% and you can do 120km

37kW peak DC charging 😭

10-80% 39 minutes 😭

[edgy bough]

I have gotten 210 on mine but that is with downhill driving. It estimat s around 185km on full charge and the guessometer is pretty accurate.

When it goes under 50km it starts becoming quite accurate.

But under 20 it slows down. And goes on the side of caution.

So it says 15km but in reality you have 20km

[edgy bough]

I was told up to 50KW charging. But in reality it's closer to 20KW-30KW because of temperature etc etc.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so as I said, nice if you don't drive that far 😛

I've seen Ollie drive to Austria a few times? With an MX-30 it's not a pleasant trip to do

Apparently the newer model can do 54kW

But the curve is bad so it still does 32kW average

"54kW" technically, yes

[edgy bough]

The newer is also a hybrid.

[stoic ledge]

REEV

[edgy bough]

Patet patat

It's a dorito charging the batteries. Or how ever it works.

[stoic ledge]

Gets an even smaller battery, 17kWh

1750kg, that road tax won't make any sense in NL

[edgy bough]

I think mine is 35kWh but real use is 30kWh

[stoic ledge]

You don't have the spinning Dorito then I assume?

[edgy bough]

I was thinking about maybe taking a road trip down to a friend in Groningen. But it would be a long trip due to the charging stops I would need.

[edgy bough]

The REV model is not available here.

[prisma frost]

Getting an EV won’t really be an option

[stoic ledge]

Just stop being poor and get an A6 e-tron

But yeah for this budget an EV won't make sense

Unless it's like a 2nd or city car

Or if you never drive too far

[edgy bough]

Mx30 is really nice as a to/from work car.

[stoic ledge]

Drove with a A6 e-tron to Northern Germany last week, hammered it on zhe Autobahn wherever possible (215km/h), stop to charge at 15%, at a currywurst and the car was back to 94%

270kW charging go brr

[edgy bough]

If I'm going to swap I'm think maybe a BYD sealion or a Mazda 6e.

But I need the capital first to do that

[stoic ledge]

If you think some driving characteristics of the MX-30 will be found in the 6e... It drives nothing like a Mazda

Als wtf did they do to the LR SR is the only one which makes sense with the LFP battery and much, much, much faster charging

[edgy bough]

The Mazda 6e starts at 32k.
And the sealion 7 starts at 40k

[stoic ledge]

Abc always be choosing low car

Also the Sealion 7 isn't pretty

[edgy bough]

I started building a idBuzz and it started at like 35k, when I was finished building it ended up close to 100k.

[torn swan]

that’s why my new car is a diesel

i hate travelling with an ev

especially in southern spain where there is no chargers

[civic spoke]

I believe that my 20-25 minute session averaged 44 kW with the i3?

[stoic ledge]

Small battery i3 could never 😛

[civic spoke]

Apart from it being limited to 125 A, and 50 kW. It charges surprisingly well. Flat, or even rising along with the Voltage.

[stoic ledge]

Charged the A6 14->94% = 80% = 76kWh

Took 35 minutes to go to the bathroom and eat a curryworst -> 150kW average?

[civic spoke]

150 kW would be real nice for the i3. Or even 100 kW.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah 40kWh would be full in an eyeblink

A6 peaks at 270kW

The "low" 150kW is only because we charged too long because we were eating currywurst

10-80 is 21 min -> 66kWh -> 190kW average

[civic spoke]

150 kW is what I consider the minimum for new cars. Tbh

Renault 5 does 100 kW? I think.

[edgy bough]

I'm fine with a trip taking an hour or two longer if I drive an EV.

[civic spoke]

Yeah, 100 kW for the R5.
"30 minutes for 15-80%" is what they mention.

[civic spoke]

Same. Tbh. The stops make the trip more pleasant.

[edgy bough]

If you ever do a road trip that longer than the range on your car you probably could do with a break anyways

And also most cars only need like 30 min charge to get a decent range.

[civic spoke]

As long as you don't try to road trip a car that's meant for city driving.

[stoic ledge]

Love how not all manufacturers post 10-80%

Stellantis also does like 20-80%

[civic spoke]

Came home with this the other week.

[stoic ledge]

Just what makes their brochure look more attractive

[civic spoke]

They probably like round numbers for the minutes. IDK.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah everything over 30m looks bad

So they put 15-80 or 20-80 in 30 minutes to hide the shitty charging

Ohno the anxiety

[civic spoke]

The range you can start with every morning. And people have anxiety over it.

[edgy bough]

I drove from Kristiansand to Oslo and back in my mx30 and that is 650km I spent 3.5 hours charging on that trip.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah unbearable, and then I drove as fast as legally possible in Germany for over 3 hours before I had to stop, while also matched with my lunch and toilet break

The horror

Also: driving 215 wherever possible vs keeping it 130 makes a huge difference, who knew

[civic spoke]

There's a big difference between 80 and 100 kmh with my egg.

The efficiency of the i3 is pretty great, tho.

I can probably squeeze out 300 km out of my car if I really needed to. But 250 km is a lot more realistic. And what I tell most people.

[stoic ledge]

100 is a doable cruising speed tho, 80 not as much

[civic spoke]

Just set your ACC behind a truck.

[stoic ledge]

I'd need to check the data of the car but iirc it shows the same consumption profile for 110 and 130

So the most efficient speed & charging is at like 130

(for that car)

As in like distance travelled vs charging time

[torn swan]

it’s not about taking an hour or two longer, it’s about the inconvenience and lack of infrastructure

and it’s not even cheaper than diesel

[civic spoke]

The faster you can charge. The better it is at high speed driving.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I exactly saved time doing 215 even with the longer charge

[civic spoke]

Having a BMW 330e would also be nice.

Reminds me of a recent Carwow video where they compared the three different 5 series versions...
BEV, PHEV, and ICE.

With Mat's conclusion being that PHEV are useless.
Because ICE/BEV are much better at doing what they are supposed to do. And the PHEV is bad EV without the same ICE range.

[stoic ledge]

That video made very little sense tbh

[civic spoke]

Everyone went after him that PHEV's use case isn't what they tested.

PHEV is great if you need to drive like 50 km a day to/from work. With an occasional longer drive.

Caught my sister car the other day. BMW i8.

[edgy bough]

Oh the infrastructure in Norway is fantastic, you are rarely more than 20km away from a charging station.

This is some of the coverage from one specific provider.

Roughly same are, different provider

[edgy bough]

I spend about 100€ a month on electricity.

[torn swan]

kwh price is like 0.90€ here on public chargers

so almost same than 1 litre of diesel

[edgy bough]

Here the public chargers is around 0.5€.
And fuel is around 1.85€ per liter.

[gentle thicket]

This is why I don't think EVs should be primary cars. Every family should have at least one ICE vehicle for road trips or emergency evacuation and EVs should be city only cars.

[edgy bough]

But then again most people charge at home where the price is 0.15€ per kW or at work.

[gentle thicket]

I mean it would be so much more environmentally friendly to build small lightweight (think 90's Civic) 100 mile range cars for the 15 minute commute to work or the store and home for people to daily drive.

[edgy bough]

It wold be so much more environmentally friendly if the us stopped producing their gas guzzling minster trucks.

Lovely notification, ready for me when I leave work in 2 hours.

[gentle thicket]

But they are needed in some cases.

[paper sandal]

I've been thinking about switching to electric

But i would never get the money back probably.

[edgy bough]

Money back?

[edgy bough]

I would say that 95% of truck owners never use it for it's intended purposes.

[gentle thicket]

I never said it's 100% needed.

[edgy bough]

And they are also stupidly oversized.

We have 2 EVs in our household and we are happy so far, and if we are going on a longer roadtrip we wil rent a car. But with our network we dont really need an ICE.

[gentle thicket]

I guess if you live in an area not likely to experience a natural disaster then renting is a fine option. I live somewhere that it can practically be expected yearly and if you end up in an evacuation zone without an ice car - enjoy riding the storm out in a stadium.

[lone fern]

my only local gas station has two pumps and it’s already not fun trying to get gas so I cannot imagine we get electric fast charging any time soon lmao

[stoic ledge]

That's why you should charge mainly at home/destination/...

If there's a natural disaster and you've had your car plugged in, it can do 300 miles

No need to worry then 😛

[gentle thicket]

Tell that to anyone foolish enough to live in Miami.

[edgy bough]

Open up IG reels.
First video is something racist.
Second video is a reason why trucks are dumb.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJcJVLjx2uU/?igsh=MTFiNHdxc3pjMWZydQ==

Instagram

[forest lintel]

SUVs are a lot more dumb than trucks

[edgy bough]

At least with the SUV you can see the child you ran over before it happens.

[gentle thicket]

What makes you think that? The real ones are built on the same exact platforms.

Sadly, most of the real ones are dead.

[gentle thicket]

And the SUV is no smaller than that.

It's often so similar that you can swap the fenders, hood, headlights, grille and bumper for a new look.

google truck escalade conversion for example and you'll see all sorts of trucks with escalade front ends.
Here's a dually 3500 converted. Though that may require cutting and blending panels since the escalade is based on the 1500 not 3500.

[dull cedar]

Yep, and there's plenty of them that exist. They don't need to keep producing them

If the trucks were decent, and used for their purpose, everyone with them would have them for 20-30 years

[gentle thicket]

Honestly - I want to see mini trucks come back (compact pickups) like the first generation Toyota Tacoma. They're great. But stupid efficiency standards made them impossible. The reason we have big trucks is because the Government literally said to make them bigger instead of making reasonable efficiency standards.

They're making cars in the shape of trucks and that's almost a start, but very much not what I had in mind.

[lone fern]

mine is 30 years old 😎

[lone fern]

these same epa laws killed sedans and compacts for the most part too :((

[spiral canyon]

Hell yea found some cat plates from my dads old boat

[lone fern]

oh hell yeah, i’ve got some old detroit diesel emblems from a generator tucked away somewhere

[floral briar]

i wanna know if anyone in this chat has seen an NSX in person

[queen wren]

yes

[floral briar]

ah good

js saw one 2 days ago

[queen wren]

👍

[torn swan]

more like 150km

i have to charge every 100km with the model 3

like i did a 700km trip, had to charge the car 10 times

from 10-15% to 95-100%

and when i see how awful it is to find a charging station in spain i don’t want to do it again

like i just can’t wait for my new car

diesel powered

[stoic ledge]

If you have a 2012 Nissan Leaf maybe

[stoic ledge]

And that's just complete BS unless your car was broken

[edgy bough]

Yea, that is a bad battery or something.

The only cars I know that are under 100km range is the early leafs.

Found a 2012 leaf with 101 range.

[civic spoke]

That's what a warranty is for.

If you seriously only have 100 km's of range. Then something's dead wrong.

[edgy bough]

Found a 2019 model s with 400km range.

[civic spoke]

What model year is this Model 3?

Then again. All Model 3's should still be covered from age. Unless you piled on the miles like nothing else.

[stoic ledge]

I love to see this diesel powered i4 eDrive 35 you mentioned

Must be a limited edition

[civic spoke]

Sounds like it.

Btw. I checked my consumption over a longer stretch. Seems to be a tad under 13 kWh/100 km.

[edgy bough]

I'm at 16.3

[civic spoke]

€1.75 to drive 100 km is a damn solid.

[edgy bough]

€1.68 for me with today's average price.

But I charge at work free of charge.

[civic spoke]

Would have been around €13-14 to drive the same stretch in my E46 320i.

[civic spoke]

I charge at home for 1.50 SEK/kWh.

[edgy bough]

Since January I have spent under €40 in electricity.

I have charged 956kWh at work since February.

[civic spoke]

For me it's like €100 between home and fast charging for two and a half months and 4,000 km's.

The E46 could take me around 650-700 km's for the same price. Ouch.

But you know. It's a lot faster to fuel up at a gas station...
Totally makes up for it, right?

[edgy bough]

When I purchased the car it had driven 22700km. I'm closing in on 29000km now

[civic spoke]

I bought my i3S with 44,200 km's on it. It has 48,300 km's on it now.

[edgy bough]

Actually gone over 29k

[civic spoke]

I'm just afraid that I'm going to exceed the insurance window for the mileage.
15,000 km's.

[edgy bough]

It's also my first car so I'm hoping I can have it for a few years.

[civic spoke]

That's a very low mileage for your first car.

My first car was my E46 that I bought with 71,000 km's on it. But I got it for a steal.

Like €5,000. 10 years ago.

[edgy bough]

Scrolling through images of cars on Google photos and I found a pic of the day I got my driving license.

[civic spoke]

Curious. Are you still able to drive a manual? Or are you auto-exclusive?

[edgy bough]

I took the auto only license

But it's pretty easy to take the manual license

3 driving lessons and a new driving test.

[civic spoke]

That's what I thought. I believe they are going to change that for Sweden.

[edgy bough]

And like 7000nok

[charred depot]

Yeah I commonly get asked to help find cheap cars for people who have just passed their test.

Seems simple then you get hit with they can only drive automatics

[edgy bough]

In total I think my license cost me around 43k NOK. "€3600"

[charred depot]

Used market for automatics is pretty dire here still

[civic spoke]

Still decent range left at 72%. tbh

[edgy bough]

Just go for an ev. Its pretty hard to find a manual ev

[charred depot]

cheap

[civic spoke]

No EV is cheap, unless you're in Norway.

[edgy bough]

I can find a cheap leaf for like less than €2500

[charred depot]

leafs like that here have 20 miles of range, literally

people still buy them though and use them

[civic spoke]

I wouldn't recommend an early Leaf. Sadly.

[edgy bough]

Closer to 40-60 miles on a full charge for a 2016 leaf.

[civic spoke]

Unless you are using it as a second car to only commute to/from work.

[charred depot]

they are cheap because the battery condition is fucked

[civic spoke]

My thought exactly.

And 40-60 miles is sadly not enough for most. Even as a commuter.

And then you also have the problem with having to have a charger at home. Etc.

My first question when people ask me to recommend an EV is if they can charge it at home/work.

[charred depot]

I just find it frustrating when people do the auto only test then expect to be able to get a car at £1-2k easily.

[civic spoke]

Cheap-cheap cars are still mostly manuals.

But you also shouldn't have many expectations at that kind of a budget.

Does it have a recent/clean MOT? Score! Worth at least £500 by itself.

[charred depot]

I mean you really can get a decent car for £2k, in my opinion. but if it has to be automatic double it.

[edgy bough]

I had the 4 year service and EU control "MOT" last Friday and in total it cost me 600€

And I have to do the MOT every 2nd year.

[charred depot]

Fortunately or unfortunately I only like worthless cars which I find funny because people assume you are cripplingly broke

[brittle totem]

Yeah averaging around 4000km/tank in the Passat when its not workshop broken yeah classic VW 🥀

[civic spoke]

Shitboxes are great.

[brittle totem]

Well maybe with Koeiengegg CC850

[civic spoke]

"No officer. I'm only driving in auto"

[brittle totem]

Didn't you order BMW I4 a couple of months ago?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I'm very interested in this diesel powered i4

[edgy bough]

[brittle totem]

Same charging speed as the new Passat Phev

[stoic ledge]

AI blur

[edgy bough]

How much grill do we want?

YES!

Reminds me of this.

[brittle totem]

Old new they are going back to orgins with the latest EV's

[torn swan]

cancelled order for 420d

[torn swan]

go on the highway with ac on and bye bye range

[torn swan]

no they checked it, it’s perfectly fine

[brittle totem]

Didn't you say that diesel cars had insanly expensive company car tax in French?

[stoic ledge]

Ohno the horrors of needing to stop after 4hrs of continuous driving

[torn swan]

i prefer to pay the tax than struggle with charging when i’m aboard

france have good infrastructure

but when i go to spain or italy its awful

[torn swan]

well it’s basically stop every 40min at this point

and i already stop every 2h

[lone fern]

I’m loving my new car, I get 500 miles on a tank of premium which is awesome, with regular it’s worse. No longer have to fill up every day, now I’ve got about 2 and a half days worth of gas lmao

[edgy bough]

That's bs.

[stoic ledge]

Car must be broken if this is even slightly true

[brittle totem]

With you driving style you wont get more 500km range in diesel either.

[torn swan]

140kmh gps speed and A/C on

35°c outside

[civic spoke]

I call BS. If you only get the range you claim. Then something is seriously wrong.

[brittle totem]

Could you show your consumption you most averaging like 40kwh/100km for that be true?

[torn swan]

im at 26-30 kwh/100

[civic spoke]

Even my i3 could drive for a solid hour at that consumption. And the i3 has a 42 ish kWh battery.

[edgy bough]

I thought mine 16kWh/100km was bad, but his is on another level.

[stoic ledge]

I did 335km flat out (215) where possible on the German autobahn with the A6 e-tron, took 25kWh/100km, after doing that still had 18% left

[brittle totem]

I have gotten 140km ev range in Passat phev although not highway speeds but still.

[torn swan]

in city usage i get like 350km

but as soon as i do highway (which i do everyday)

the range is awful

[civic spoke]

What's your consumption?

[edgy bough]

Then you must do ALOT of aggressive acceleration and 0 regen.

[civic spoke]

XX kWh/100 km?

[torn swan]

yeah lot of hill

[civic spoke]

Driving with his friction brakes dragging. Duh.

[torn swan]

and i dont use the regenerative pedal thing because it give me sickness

[civic spoke]

Use your regenerative brakes. Seriously.

[torn swan]

it give me sickness so no

wont use it

[civic spoke]

I don't know how it sickens you?!

Just feather the throttle?

[torn swan]

it give sickness to the passenger in the back

[civic spoke]

People don't know how to do that?

[torn swan]

and to me

[edgy bough]

It's just an auto brake system basically

Slows the car down for you.

How does braking make you sick

[torn swan]

the car make me sick in general

[brittle totem]

Engine breaking is better word for it

[civic spoke]

That's what I'm asking.

[edgy bough]

Fair, it is a Tesla after all.

[torn swan]

it feel like a boat its awful

yeah its powerful

but awful driving sensations

and no range with my usage

[civic spoke]

Blown shocks?

[edgy bough]

But still, how do you go from 350km in city range to 100km on highway? That does not make sense.

[torn swan]

outside conditions maybe

[civic spoke]

And have you tried feathering the throttle to regen instead of letting off all the way?

[torn swan]

because in city i dont use the A/C i just keep the windows opens

[torn swan]

yeah

[brittle totem]

Are trying to be Verstappen every time you drive ? i cant comprehend how someone could such bad consumption otherwise...

[civic spoke]

I know my i3S has much stronger regen than a Tesla.

[edgy bough]

So then your problem is the AC drawing WAAAY too much power.

[civic spoke]

Ditto. I'm confused.

[torn swan]

maybe

and also i have an issue

[edgy bough]

If the battery is fine then that could be the issue.

[torn swan]

the car keep pushing notif that it cant supercharge

wait let me check

[edgy bough]

Oh that's common on the older models

[stoic ledge]

His AC must be powerful enough to cool an entire apartment block with that consumption

[torn swan]

if i have a photo of it

[civic spoke]

Hills doesn't really affect EV's if your starting point and end is at the same elevation. Net zero. More or less.

[torn swan]

this one

[stoic ledge]

Only going uphill, like your grandparents to and from school, uphill both ways

[civic spoke]

Oldest Model 3 is barely 8 years old.

[stoic ledge]

In Europe 6

[brittle totem]

Yeah i think you have major battery issue if you get that warning.

[edgy bough]

Tesla is known to randomly ban users that are grandfathered into the free supercharging subscription.

[civic spoke]

That's true.

[torn swan]

i have the first that made into europe iirc

its my dad's old car

[civic spoke]

Model 3 wasn't given free supercharging? I think.

[stoic ledge]

Model 3 never got free SuC

[torn swan]

only model s does

[stoic ledge]

But this

[civic spoke]

Man. I would love free SuC.

[edgy bough]

[edgy bough]

[brittle totem]

You go into service menu and check why it throwing that warning massages

[civic spoke]

I'm still confused how you can lose more than half the range.

[edgy bough]

I know at least that there is jailbroken softwares than unlock superchargers for cars that has been banned for various reasons.

[brittle totem]

Is it really that big of deal most poeple end up charging 80% of the time at home or work anyways.

[torn swan]

i never charged at home

[edgy bough]

Work only?

[torn swan]

nope

i can’t

except if i get a 400m long cable

[civic spoke]

Not to mention that you barely have any Tesla charging stations.

[civic spoke]

DC fast charge only?

[torn swan]

80% of the time

[civic spoke]

Damn.

[torn swan]

like the area where i run errands have tesla suc

[civic spoke]

Sounds like an EV isn't for your lifestyle if you ask me.

[torn swan]

well i live in an apartment

and i work in an office building with no parking

[edgy bough]

Sounds intuitive

[torn swan]

and my city public chargers are always full because free

[civic spoke]

I'm still confused how braking makes people nauseous.
At least how regen does it.

[edgy bough]

I just charge at work. And rarely charge at home/public chargera

[torn swan]

the way it does break give me sickness (especially as a passenger)

[edgy bough]

If you are driving in a jam i could understand it to be annoying.

[torn swan]

that’s 80% of my drives when in city

in jams

[civic spoke]

No idea how that's a thing. Unless you only stab the throttle and regen all the time.

Sounds like a You-issue, if you ask me. Tbh

[edgy bough]

In traffic jams is the only time it can be slightly uncomfortable

[civic spoke]

Oh, wait. I know a person who could only full throttle or nothing.

[civic spoke]

Keep more of a distance. Ez pz.

[brittle totem]

Well if you are really bad at using regenerative breaking i can get that but it takes like couple days and they should know to use properly

[civic spoke]

Or if it's the ACC. If that's the case. Don't use it.

[edgy bough]

My cruise control does that for me 🙂

[brittle totem]

Well in traffic jams you just use ACC anyways.

[torn swan]

the acc on the tesla is stupid af

like it miss read signs etc

[edgy bough]

In mine its just acc

[civic spoke]

I know some ACC can be bad with throttle/regen/brake usage.

[brittle totem]

Pretty much all brands does that just turn off the adjust to speed limit setting and problem solved.

[torn swan]

like it once suddenly broke on the highway because it miss read a 50kmh sign on a 130kmh road

[civic spoke]

Are you telling me to pay attention to the road?

[edgy bough]

Thank god i manualy have to adjust the max speed of my cruise control and speed limiter.

[brittle totem]

If you don't and have VW and it slam on breaks in tunnels because it thinks the speed limit is 30km/h because of the road above 🤡

And at one place it somehow reads the speed limit for the train rails beside the road.

So it thinks it 100km/h on 50km/h road

[civic spoke]

I don't use the ACC in my i3S all the time. Because it only relies on its camera. And it's wonky.

Have slowed down and braked for underpasses.

[brittle totem]

Works pretty good in our BMW that is camera based only just that max distance is bit short but the rest works rather well.

[civic spoke]

Correct distance for a BMW.

[torn swan]

i think my car is banned of autopilot too

like i cant enable it

[civic spoke]

But yeah. Unless I'm going on longer drives, then I just stick to normal cruise control.

[civic spoke]

Sounds like the car is fucky wucky.

[torn swan]

i hate this car

cant wait to get the new one

[civic spoke]

When was it last inspected?

[torn swan]

govt or dealer inspection ?

[civic spoke]

Both.

[torn swan]

govt inspection never because the car is too recent

and dealer last month

because the trunk wasnt working anymore

and the bluetooth unlocking only worked on one side of the car

[civic spoke]

I'm just curious if you have bad shocks in the car or something.

[torn swan]

i changed them last year

but my area is very bad for cars

so they're probably cooked now

[civic spoke]

Just sounds like a very weird example. Tbh.

Anyway. Bed time.

[torn swan]

gn

[edgy bough]

You have broken the rules a few to many times.

[torn swan]

me no

because the car already had the ban when i got it

probably my dad or one of his employes that got it banned

[edgy bough]

Was it a company car?

[torn swan]

yup

[edgy bough]

Ahh

Explains the wierd stuff

[torn swan]

they have like 8 or 9 tesla

all the same

[dusk ocean]

Fitment 👌

[civic spoke]

Fancy rims

[stoic ledge]

@civic spoke A6 can apparently overdeliver: 285kW (claimed is 270kW)

[lone fern]

i love my hour and a half commute cuz there’s nobody on the highway 😁

definitely shortens the trip too lmao

[brittle totem]

3h/day just for commuting 🥀

[lone fern]

very tragic indeed but i live in the middle of nowhere so it’s a given

[brittle totem]

I hope you can work at home at least couple of days a week.

I guess its 4h+ with traffic every day

[lone fern]

nope I work construction lol. No traffic at all though so it truely is 3ish hours of commute

[torn swan]

service moment

[civic spoke]

3 minutes for 14 kWh. Give me that.

Would mean a full charge in under 10 minutes.

[brittle totem]

And then you Zeekr 7x that does 480kw

Which is insane 10-80 in <15m

[civic spoke]

Don't get people who have range anxiety anymore

[civic spoke]

My guess is that people have more of a charger anxiety.

[brittle totem]

Yeah i get that if you cant charge at home or work.

Otherwise their is nothing really to worry about with modern EV.

[civic spoke]

For sure. Modern large EV's having 400+ km's is so much more than people think.

[edgy bough]

I'm convinced that the majority of EV haters still think that they are limited to 100km or so. And then need a few hours charge to refill.

[civic spoke]

Where I'm at after 287 km's. 12.8 kWh/100 km ain't bad.

[grave sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/maruti-suzuki-swift-cars-auto-namastecar-drive-gif-3858522665785903148

[dense cypress]

ya it is swift but not the new version

its a 2019 model

[grave sigil]

oh

i have never driven a swift

i want to drive one

[native ermine]

so many balloons underneath da car

[hollow pasture]

Ew

That is not a swift 💀

[prisma frost]

Charging network on the German Autobahn is hit and miss for EV’s.

[arctic pewter]

Wait what

why the hell is there a storage compartment in the back under the passenger's feet

[brittle totem]

Meanwhile 🧱 shaped Volvo yeah pretty ineffcient but i still around ≈400km range.

[compact grotto]

@dusk ocean i had to click cause i miss it, but fuck that owner ruined it with the bodykit https://youtu.be/odsOpSbR1X0

mostly whatever that rear wing is

[wispy cloak]

My problem is that the charging infrastructure is so bad in north america

That's why I push plug-in hybrids right now

[civic spoke]

No need for a charging infrastructure if you're only ever driving the range of the battery, and charging at home. Which some seem to forget.

[cosmic tree]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0-7vedB4sFY?si=Wc5uFElB8RN2MPM0

[wispy cloak]

My issue is that I don't do that

I can't afford one anyways

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I also can't charge at home

[edgy bough]

I drive to/from work 7 times before I charge at work.

[wispy cloak]

I can't charge at work either

[edgy bough]

Since I only work Monday - Thursday.

And usually I charge at like 30% wich is roughly 60km

Car is currently at 66% it estimates 119km range.

[wispy cloak]

My daily commute was about 40 miles before I moved

I haven't found another job yet

[edgy bough]

I have roughly 30km daily commute.

[wispy cloak]

I don't hate EVs but it's just not a viable solution for a lot of people

In north america at least

They're expensive and with the current administration in the US being absolute geniuses and getting rid of any tax breaks it just puts the cost of entry above what many can afford

Or are willing to pay

[edgy bough]

At the end of 2024, there were over 788,000 electric cars on Norwegian roads, making up 28% of the country's total passenger car stock.

In recent months, electric vehicles have made up a significant portion of new car sales in Norway, reaching as high as 97.2% in July 2025.

[stoic ledge]

Norway having 0% VAT on EV's helps

[wispy cloak]

There's so much misinformation about EVs being spread in the US

[edgy bough]

In Norway, there is no VAT on electric vehicles with a purchase price of NOK 500,000 or less. For vehicles costing more, a 25% VAT applies only to the amount exceeding NOK 500,000.

[stoic ledge]

That's still a big benefit

[wispy cloak]

EVs have the exact same tax as everything else starting September 1st here

Before you could get up to a $7500 tax credit for EVs/plug-in hybrids built in north america

Well currently it still applies

[lone fern]

yeah for me if i was to move away from my ice car a hybrid would be my go-to, theres zero charging infrastructure near me, I can’t charge at work, very long commute, and I don’t think the electrical service to my house could handle it cuz I loose power a lot as is

[wispy cloak]

Also correction

It's going till the end of September

Otherwise there is no benefit from the government

[edgy bough]

Norway provides significant monetary incentives for buying electric vehicles (EVs) compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) cars. These benefits include exemptions or reductions on taxes, such as VAT and registration tax, which are very high for ICE cars. EVs also receive reduced rates on tolls, ferries, and parking.

Yes I am using Gemini since im working at the same time.

[civic spoke]

I can probably do 10 if I were to stretch it.

[edgy bough]

About the same

Depends if i drive nicely and only to/from work

[lone fern]

If I bought a brand new model 3 I could get to work one and a half times and that’s assuming it’s not winter (gets very cold here and range drops + heater)

so hybrid is my best bet probably

i guess technically i could squeeze four trips out of the range but it’d be tight

[civic spoke]

I only really have 15 km either way (30-ish km combined) to work and back.

[lone fern]

i have roughly 90 miles or 144km for now, things may change based on where my next job site is lol

sadly don’t think it’s gonna be any closer to where i live than where i’m at atm

[civic spoke]

We'll see how my i3S handles the winter later.

The E46 320i handled it like a champ. Never got stuck with it.

And I didn't really have ABS/TC or anything in the last couple of years with it.

[brittle totem]

Yeah same in Sweden the only tax benafits is lower yearly roadtax and "lower benafits" tax for company cars.

[native ermine]

its to smuggle drugs

[dusk ocean]

Ugh yeah

[arctic pewter]

Maybe

[cold cypress]

a jaaaaag

[compact grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/jaaaag-gif-19266466

[grave sigil]

what is is then?

[compact grotto]

its a swift

[hollow pasture]

Hell nah, that's not my swift

All hail the geo metro with a different badge

[compact grotto]

...

[hollow pasture]

Yea the joke is it looks nothing like a swift

...

[hollow pasture]

🗣️ louder for the people on the back

Suzuki swift

Geo metro

[compact grotto]

it looks like a 2025 swift. the other cars look like 90's swifts

[hollow pasture]

*late 80s

[white heart]

small qujestion, what would yall think of me getitng a station wagon as a first car ? i think theyre pretty neat, and i might need the space for a few things TwT

ill have to find a decent one in france

[edgy bough]

As a first car rule 1 is. Buy something that you can handle getting scratched/dented etc.

And within your budget

[prisma frost]

I had the same advice, didn’t follow it and never damaged the car apart from 1 curb rash. It’s really not hard to not crash imo

[edgy bough]

Instead of getting a cheap car I went straight to a 3yo car instead.

[white heart]

i think im gonna get a somewhat old but reliable station wagon if i can find one

those are cheap and quite useful

just gotta find a solid model

[lone fern]

good call

i love cars that i don’t care about

ya can play bumper tag w other friends as well lmao

[prisma frost]

It sounds nice

[forest lintel]

Station wagons are great

[forest lintel]

They are wonderful, a scratch here and there among the many others doesn't matter. Nothing is faster ob dirt roads

[solar rapids]

Metro mentioned!

The Swift was actually decently fast.

[hollow pasture]

All my homies love the geo metro

[solar rapids]

I have two of them.

[hollow pasture]

Small rot box fun

[solar rapids]

Ye.

[hollow pasture]

I love the 80s era of hatches

[solar rapids]

I wish mine had less rot, though.

[hollow pasture]

My CRX has no rot!

Just the typical missing plastic panels, although I bought new fiberglass replacements from france a week ago

[solar rapids]

Ay, neat.

[hollow pasture]

I think a kei car would be an awesome addition to my fleet of stupidity

[solar rapids]

I'd like one, too.

[dense cypress]

No its new swift the older version is better because the older version had 4 cylinder engine and new version has 3 cylinder engine

[hollow pasture]

[forest lintel]

But a three cylinder engine is half a six cylinder engine! The best number of cylinders. Not counting twelve

[dense cypress]

I forgot to tell one more thing

It is hybrid

[civic spoke]

Supercharged Mid-Engined All Wheel Drive

[civic spoke]

Friend of mine has an Aygo. Sounds pretty sick...

[lone fern]

yup, I love being able to do 60 miles an hour on dirt roads without worry haha

[lucid jungle]

I was expecting like a sooter to come by playing that sound on a speaker

[forest lintel]

Almost sounds like six cylinders

[civic spoke]

Half of a six cylinder.

[forest lintel]

Exactly!

I miss my outback

Except the rust

[marble stone]

Random question but does anyone know anything about old american cars?

Im thinking of getting a 1976 Pontiac Lemans i see for sale around here, apparently was imported in the mid 90s, wondering if its a shit heap i should avoid

[lone fern]

Any old car is gonna be trouble, i’d double check to make sure parts are somewhat available because you can get fucked w certain classics as there’s little to no support or parts for em

[silent bramble]

Would you guys recommend I get a 1 farat capacitor for my amplifier for my truck subs? I'm running a Rockford Fosqate prime r2-750x1 with dual 12" JL subs wired in parallel. I had a .5 farat capacitor for my amplifier in my escape, that was a Kenwood Excelon XR1001-1 with dual 12" subs as well and that worked good to keep the power stable

[proven tundra]

Pontiac are hard to kill
Those big ones are simple
Parts are available here in the us at least, they made these things by the 10s of thousands
Any specifics?

76 is high smog era
Dont expect huge power without doing some work
Otherwise its normal 50 year old car stuff
Rubber lines, old gas
Wheel cylinders
Check electrical connections
76 (iirc) should be hei so not need to sand points

[snow otter]

I now have a leopard print livery on the miata i guess

[native ermine]

holy hard water spots batman

[snow otter]

its not hard water

its rain water

with lots of sand and shit in it

[silent bramble]

Would you guys recommend I get a 1 farat capacitor for my amplifier in my truck subs? I'm running a Rockford Fosqate prime r2-750x1 with dual 12" JL subs wired in parallel. I had a .5 farat capacitor for my amplifier in my escape, that was a Kenwood Excelon XR1001-1 with dual 12" subs as well and that worked good to keep the power stable

[proven tundra]

Might be better to ask in #audio-tech

[silent bramble]

Well if this question is more on topic anyways, anyone have any advice as to where to ground the amp? I’m trying to avoid drilling a hole into the chassis of the truck as best I can to avoid rust

It’s a 2011 ford f150 and I’m looking to put the amp on the passenger side where it has more space to breathe

I seen a YouTube video, some guy just got a ground and power wire of equal length and grounded the amp to the battery lol. Even if I did wanna do that they only gave me a short ground wire anyways

I’m gunna see if I can use one of the seat bolts after sanding the paint away, unless anyone has an alternative

[gentle thicket]

1 farad per thousand watts is the general guideline.

[silent bramble]

True ye. I might go for now without one and see how it performs, but I think either way I’ll be getting one soon just to make sure the rest of the truck stays properly powered

Now I have to figure out grounding. It seems to just barely fit around the bolt that holds the seat to the chassis, but it keeps wanting to cross thread. Might also have to see though if I can get the paint off the bolt

[gentle thicket]

Probably good up to 500W without. >500W probably pick up a 1 Farad. >1500W start considering a 2 Farad.

[silent bramble]

I’m also wondering now if instead of trying to get the ground onto the seat bolt, do I go for the metal brackets that hold the rails on that let the seat go back and forth

[marble stone]

Wouldnt be hard to import parts here in the uk, i know a guy who does, Nothing i cant handle in terms of maintance it seems, Thanks for the input kind sir

[proven tundra]

You're welcome
Oh and vacuum leaks
Those smog cars were a nest of vacuum lines leading to all kinds of bullshit
Air pump, charcoal canister, etc

But plug the ports and yank it all out and you're good

[lone fern]

delete the smog pump if it has one

i assume it does being mid 70’s lol

[marble stone]

Depends on how bad the emissions are without one cause i know the UK are strict about that kinda shit, honestly might see if i can delete it but keep it there so i can just put the pipes back in for the MOT test.

then yank it after its passed

[proven tundra]

Modern set of cats should mean you don't have to use a lot of the bs
Depends on the british laws on old cars too

[marble stone]

Old cars are basically treat the same as new ones but i believe some are either MOT Exempt (meaning no car/emissions tests... yipee!!) Or tax free, or both i cant remember

think its cars over 30 years old

or 40

but considering this is 50

should be all good in that regard

[proven tundra]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/historic-classic-vehicles-mot-exemption-criteria/historic-classic-vehicles-mot-exemption-criteria

[dull cedar]

https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles

[proven tundra]

Yep
Over 40 are mot exempt unless theres been a "significant modification"

[marble stone]

so unless its rotted and somebody has managed to replace the chassis somehow

im all good

[proven tundra]

Yep
The biggest thing there would be if its had an engine swap
What engine is in it?
Pretty common here to v8 swap if it had a 6 stock

[gentle thicket]

I find it rather SUS that replacing the chassis is considered a substantial change but if I replace every thing that bolts to the chassis with the same part but from a different of the same vehicle, that would be fine as there is no 'substantial change' since the vehicle works the same.

[marble stone]

Can't remember if it's a 260 or a 350 V8

[proven tundra]

There were some options

[marble stone]

Oh man if it had a 455 that would be badass

Well not for my wallet would probably get like 2 MPG

[proven tundra]

Usually around 10-15
Us at least

My personal want would be a 400
The aftermarket on those is great due to it existing a good long time pre smog so there was and is a lot of interest
Good set of heads and a cam wakes them up fairly inexpensively

[lone fern]

350 would be decent too

cheap parts easy to modify

love me an old small block chev

[fickle swan]

I've been enjoying my new ford

[proven tundra]

In this case its a 350 pontiac

Which is just kind of ok
Pontiac didn't have a small / big block, they just had a sort of large-medium design
The 350 poncho was a small bore kind of long stroke design that did its job but wasn't a powerhouse much
Reliability wise it's fine