cars

[dull cedar]

these cars also don't often have issues if they were looked after properly...

[queen wren]

how are mazdas?

[charred depot]

We were welding the tops of the front turrets on a 9 year old yaris a couple weeks ago, common thing. even if you give a car zero care that shouldnt be an issue.

[dull cedar]

I dug a st183 celica out of a field and the only bad rust it had was around the bottom of the window on the hatch

[dull cedar]

hit or miss, mostly miss.

[queen wren]

rx8

jk

jk

a mazda 3

[charred depot]

Everyone in the UK knows Japanese cars need more care rust wise

Nobody would argue with that

[dull cedar]

everyone in the UK copes because they don't have local production anymore and japanese cars became the most common thing

[charred depot]

I drive 40 year old cars in the salt I dont even wash and our 10 year old Japanese cars are worse.

[dull cedar]

again you work in an industry where it's your job to see the worst examples of common cars

you have a bias. if you actually look at the majority of these cars theres no issue

if it was an actual issue you'd have a train of them out the door and down the street waiting to be fixed

[charred depot]

Everyone in the industry knows, people in the japanese car groups wouldnt even argue with it.

[queen wren]

i gtg, but thats for your help @dull cedar im going to test the honda tomorrow

[charred depot]

What happens in Scotland is they get scrapped

They will not drive their cars when there is salt on the road

Also I am not a professional by any means, we do this for fun.

[dull cedar]

I remember a machinist justifying buying a GWM truck because, I quote "we get a lot of toyota engines through here, never seen a GWM one"
yeah no shit those GWMs are at most 10 years old here and the toyotas probably outnumber them 10000000:1

brain clearly fried from inhaling kerosene fumes all day

[charred depot]

But there is plenty of non japanese cars that generally do fine

With our annual MOT this is how they die.

[white heart]

new peugeot are dogshits

wouldnt recommend almost all of them

especially

the puretech

[queen wren]

not new

[white heart]

207 ?

[queen wren]

it 1.6

[queen wren]

yes

2008

[white heart]

solid car

[queen wren]

okay

so you think thats an okay first car?

[white heart]

yeah, do you live in france ?

[queen wren]

no

norway

[white heart]

well they are solid car

rather cheap to maintain and repair usually

[queen wren]

okay

thanks

[white heart]

get second opinions tho

[queen wren]

@dull cedar said the engine was bad

but idk if he is bias or not

he liked honda and toyota

[white heart]

the engine is decent

[dull cedar]

literally every possible source I can find (including @charred depot) says the engine is garbage.

[white heart]

a toyota is more reliable though

[white heart]

weird, it's known as pretty reliable here

which engine is it ?@queen wren

[dull cedar]

the Prince?

[queen wren]

prince engine

1.6l thp 175hp

[charred depot]

If you get one with the earlier TU5 its ok, obv less power

[queen wren]

Only the 1.6 thp here in norway

[white heart]

oh hell naw

[dull cedar]

told ya

[white heart]

that one trash as hell

[queen wren]

why

[white heart]

unreliable

[queen wren]

what is

in the engine

[dull cedar]

there's no "if you get ___" we've seen the list they have to choose from lol

[white heart]

timing chain i think ?

[dull cedar]

the 207 that is the option is the only 207 and it's garbage

[queen wren]

i mean the peugot 207

[dull cedar]

wrong reply sorry

[dull cedar]

meant this one

[white heart]

the 207 were lowkey a downgrade from the 206

[charred depot]

Just go further back and get a 205 : )

[queen wren]

how is the bmw 320i?

[dull cedar]

horrible choice for you

[queen wren]

why

?

[dull cedar]

rwd
bmw

[queen wren]

ye

my dad told me to stay away from rwd

since we have like 4-6months winter

[dull cedar]

you'll wrap yourself around a tree in the first month

[queen wren]

only way to learn

hahaa

[dull cedar]

can't learn if you're fucking dead

[queen wren]

true

[white heart]

the 206 is also great tbh

[white heart]

i'd dead ass be more concerned about the bmw part than the rwd lol

insurance absolutely love young drivers with bmw

[dull cedar]

norway, snow.

[white heart]

free money

[white heart]

oh true

rwd is a no no

[dull cedar]

I will reference the list they've sent before, these are their options https://www.finn.no/mobility/search/car?engine_effect_from=130&fuel=1&mileage_to=179000&price_to=70000&transmission=1

and the options are even less than this list because their father, the one paying for the car is a stuck up <word I can't say here>

read previous messages for context

[white heart]

so far i'd go with either volvo or the yaris lol

solid cars

[dull cedar]

again read previous messages for context

[white heart]

wait are the volvos rwd ?

forgor

[charred depot]

not since like the 850

[white heart]

does he hate japanese cars

[queen wren]

mostly fwd or awd

[dull cedar]

READ

[queen wren]

My dad does, no pension car. so no honda civic, toyota yaris and cars like that

[charred depot]

get a honda jazz : )

[queen wren]

its none avalible

[charred depot]

Lucky

[white heart]

sorry

oldl message

mixed with new

that suck

volvo could be good tbh

[dull cedar]

so far I just want to slap the shit out of this person's dad

judgy fuck dismissing the literal best first cars

[white heart]

agree

[queen wren]

maby i should let him buy the most unrealible car, and then i say. "what did i say"

[white heart]

i aint getting one cause im a dumbass who want a renault wind but they are indeed the best cars

[white heart]

waste of money

[queen wren]

yee

[dull cedar]

as long as he doesn't make you pay for maintenance, sure

[queen wren]

true

i will have to pay maintenance

[white heart]

yeah i'd go with a volvo

those are solids usually

[queen wren]

do you see any from the list?

[white heart]

https://www.finn.no/mobility/item/390246741

[dull cedar]

"I will give you money for a car on the condition you buy the worst cars available, and then pay for the maintenance yourself"

[queen wren]

yepp

[white heart]

poisoned gift

my dad dgaf about which car i'll get with my budget

so ill prolly go with a renault wind

[dull cedar]

damn it warship

buy whatever car he wants you to buy, sell it when it breaks and if he asks for the sale money tell him to stick it

[white heart]

aye common its a decent car 💀

[dull cedar]

the first car I technically bought was a $300 shell of a 20th anniversary edition celica
the second car I technically bought was a $1300 celica with a fucked engine, I borrowed the money from my parents for that. yes I know it was a questionable choice
the car I actually drive is their 1994 corolla, the condition being I bought the parts it needed to continue running

[dull cedar]

that wasn't a reaction to you. warship took my message away

but tbf I still have the same reaction to a renault recommendation

[white heart]

oooohhh

[white heart]

aye aye dont be shitting on renault like that their newer models are quite good

[charred depot]

I remember when the wind was at dealers here, I am sure they had to pretty much start giving it away heh

[white heart]

insurance is hella cheap on the wind too

[dull cedar]

lol no

[white heart]

damn 💀

yeah nvm renault wind aint the way to go it seem

[pure pond]

my parents always told me when i got my license they would find a car for me "so i dont make a stupid mistake" i didnt told them i got my license and bought a car went home and they were mad but ey i made money of that car

[dull cedar]

Fr*nch cars are Fr*nch cars

[charred depot]

just buy a good one and no problems

[queen wren]

We have had a Peugeot 208. That worked great tho

[dull cedar]

🤣

[white heart]

yeah nah 208 aint the exemple to pick usually

[dull cedar]

say that again at a million kilometers

[white heart]

you say that like everyone drive a million kilometer in their car

[pure pond]

most cars of today dont even make it to a million kilometers

[charred depot]

We had a nearly million km Peugeot 305. Interior was wrecked but it still drove somewhat.

[dull cedar]

they could and would if they made good purchasing decisions and then looked after it properly

[dull cedar]

skill issue

[fresh island]

Ngl classic songs hit differently in an old car

[charred depot]

Simple solution

[dull cedar]

my corolla has had a very hard life of being abused by everyone that's ever driven it (myself included because I fucking want it to die)
when I got it the axles were barely doing their job and the timing belt was 30k over, this was at 300k in January last year
I replaced the axles and did the timing belt
it's a few kilometres away from 330k now

[white heart]

ye true

[queen wren]

it was electric tho

haha

[white heart]

i js want a funny car for the first one and the renault wind seemed interesting

[dull cedar]

obtain frog

[charred depot]

250k mile engine with a big turbo as my daily been alright.

[queen wren]

is volvo safe?

like good engines

[white heart]

what is a frog ?

[queen wren]

toyota me2

mr2

[white heart]

way out of budget

[charred depot]

newer ones are cheap in the UK

[dull cedar]

ZZW30 MR2/MRS

[charred depot]

Only fun with a VAG 1.8T fitted though : )

[white heart]

i got 6k

[white heart]

unfortunately out of budget

[queen wren]

btw, with rwd cars. whats so diffrent? then fwd when you are driving 60kmh+

[dull cedar]

increase budget

[queen wren]

i understand that you will spin more out on low speeds

but what about high speeds?

[white heart]

you'll also spin out more

🔥

[queen wren]

on 60kmh+?

[charred depot]

Simply dont dumb

[pure pond]

some nice spaghetti

[white heart]

im planning to, i got like already 6k with my parents help, how much you think i'll need for a fun first car ?

[dull cedar]

first car? as I said earlier with this person, your first car shouldn't be fun.

[queen wren]

called it

haha

btw

[dull cedar]

get a corolla, learn how to drive in it.
then get a fun car

[queen wren]

whats wrong with the audi tt?

it has awd

[white heart]

oh trust me i know that

[dull cedar]

puuuure garbage

[queen wren]

audi quattro?

or

[dull cedar]

not the awd system, the car itself

[queen wren]

why?

[white heart]

im already taking lessons, got a learner and will do around 3000km so learning how to drive is already done

[white heart]

not done

[queen wren]

is the engine bad? does it rust easy?

[white heart]

but will be done

[charred depot]

avg radio installation you find on a 40 year old car. Wires functioning well as a heater element.

Im certified to make wiring harnesses for aircraft and still do that shit though heh

[dull cedar]

WRONG. and naive. do many more kilometers

[white heart]

im in france btw, corolla are non existent here

[pure pond]

im fixing everything lots of twisted wires and crimp connectors

[queen wren]

i have logged 20k kmh

am i still noob?

[charred depot]

thats fast

[dull cedar]

yes.

[white heart]

oh i am naive and stupid i know that already but im still getting a fun car for the first one (by fun i dont even mean fast)

to me a fun car is a car that is neat looking and handle well

[dull cedar]

aygo.

[white heart]

boring ass car

[charred depot]

just get a classic shed you will have plenty of fun at as little as 20mph in the wet

[dull cedar]

THATS THE POINT

[queen wren]

naahh

sick car

https://tenor.com/view/yaris-toyota-yaris-yaris-drift-daddypetsas-drift-gif-23586546

i would love to have one

[white heart]

the point being your first car need to be boring ?

[queen wren]

you gonna crash it

[dull cedar]

yes

[queen wren]

my dad said that to me

[charred depot]

Simply dont

[white heart]

nah i wont

i drive safely and slowly

i just want my car to look good

[white heart]

mehhhhh

[queen wren]

mazda miata

[dull cedar]

wrong again. they literally sell it there

[full prism]

fwd "drift" moment

[white heart]

too expensive unfortunately

[charred depot]

Drive fast enough and you will only crash once in your life, much safer.

[white heart]

most are either beaters or overpriced

[pure pond]

my first car was nice never crashed it my second car was a little shit and did crashed it 😂

[dull cedar]

the word "slide" exists, use it

[queen wren]

handbrake comming in clutch

[charred depot]

Alot of french cars will do that by simply going off the throttle

[white heart]

i meant as in there is so little one sold

[charred depot]

Shame they moved away from that fun handling

[queen wren]

thats why i want the 207 rc

[white heart]

also im ngl i still want the car to look kinda good

[queen wren]

it handles like a gocart

[queen wren]

same

[white heart]

my dream is a rcz

[charred depot]

ehhh

[queen wren]

i can buy one here for 8k

[charred depot]

206 would do it better or 205

[white heart]

im coming to live in norway

[queen wren]

but my dad once again said, if you drive that you can park another place

[dull cedar]

there is at least 1600 used corollas currently for sale in france

[queen wren]

@dull cedar with the honda, how much do you think maintence will cost yearly?

[white heart]

imma be real dude

[full prism]

nah its funnier to call it drift with " on both ends

[white heart]

im making a bad financial decision

also every corolla in a 100km radius

already has over 200k km

[dull cedar]

idk, whatever oil and tyres cost?

[queen wren]

and the prince engine?

[dull cedar]

so they're still new then

[charred depot]

can you fit an engine on your own?

[dull cedar]

whatever it costs to replace it when it blows up

[queen wren]

hmmm

what if i drive under 6k rpm

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[white heart]

even if i wanted to drive one (i dont) my parents would refuse any car over 150k km

[white heart]

so driving like a normal person ?

[queen wren]

yes

[charred depot]

Just buy your own car off marketplace for £500

[dull cedar]

@white heart https://www.ooyyo.com/france/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111BFB6FBAD3355B1AA31D7A66C486601108F54EBD/-126024292119892101.html/
go buy this right now, beat the shit out of it for a couple years and drive it like you stole it. most fun you could have for $1800

[queen wren]

waiiit

should i buy a cheap ass car, that just works. and then save up for a more expensive car. so when im a better drive i know how to handle it properly

[white heart]

3 hour away

[pure pond]

yes

[white heart]

no

[dull cedar]

That's what I've been trying to tell you ffs

damn it warship

[queen wren]

man

[pure pond]

🤣

[queen wren]

thats smart

[white heart]

how much km does it have again ?

also the insurance on this is gonna be crazy

[dull cedar]

irrelevant

[white heart]

relevant

[queen wren]

why do i wanna spend 6k on a car that will blow up, if i just can buy a car for 1k, and then save up for a car for 10k after

[white heart]

i dont want to pay 1500 each year for a beater

[dull cedar]

if insurance on a 1800 euro 90's shitbox is "gonna be crazy" you need to move countries.
insurane for my corolla is literally less than $150NZD/year

[charred depot]

Yeah welcome to most of europe

[queen wren]

than

ethan

do you see any shitboxes

that will just work?

and is cheap

[charred depot]

When I was younger I quoted a 90's Camry it was £5000/y

[white heart]

here every car older than the 2000s has a CRAZY insurance

the renault wind is litteraly 700 a year

[dull cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/toyota-corolla-gif-25397063

[charred depot]

I own 3 identical cars and the insurance cost varies by £500/y between them

[white heart]

while a ford cougar would be 1400

[dull cedar]

for 3rd party insurance?

[charred depot]

Yes

[dull cedar]

what in the fuck is wrong with europe

[charred depot]

Usually comprehensive works out cheaper anyway in the UK aswell

The logic being that people that took out third party were more wreckless and didnt care about their cars

[queen wren]

how is the fiat panda 4x4 from 1990?

[dull cedar]

why on earth does the vehicle's age even matter with 3rd party insurance
it's to cover you crashing into someone else

[dull cedar]

oh god no

not a fiat

[charred depot]

Alot of companies outright dont cover cars over 25 years anymore

[dull cedar]

make a list of the cheapest toyotas and hondas in your area, and throw a dart at it, choose whatever it lands on

[charred depot]

All of my cars are insured with a specialist as they dont have the original engines which makes it worse

[pure pond]

my 36year old car has insurance that cost 1500euro a year

[queen wren]

https://www.finn.no/mobility/search/car?fuel=1&mileage_to=179000&price_to=70000&transmission=1

updated list

@dull cedar do you see somehting better now?

[pure pond]

thats why im going to find a oldtimer frame so i dont have to pay road tax and put a oldtimer insurance on it

[charred depot]

cheeky vin swap : )

[pure pond]

its legal

[charred depot]

lets just say there is a 305 in the UK with a UK vin that is from portugal

[pure pond]

hmm weird

[charred depot]

You would never know other than the massive sun bleaching on the blue paint

[queen wren]

btw, how long do you think the 207 rc will last?

[charred depot]

2 minutes

[dull cedar]

https://www.finn.no/mobility/item/372136832 cheff's kiss perfect.

[queen wren]

tbh

thats a fire car

[charred depot]

one of these destroyed the side of our house and didnt have a mark on the car

[queen wren]

i would drive it every day

[charred depot]

Neighbour uphill handbrake failed and it rolled down

[queen wren]

its an auction

[dull cedar]

fuck

https://www.finn.no/mobility/item/382690201 literally the wagon version of my corolla

pre-rusted too, so it'll last just long enough for you to learn how to drive

[pure pond]

those are speedholes

[queen wren]

that works

[pure pond]

my car also had them

[dull cedar]

https://www.finn.no/mobility/item/385383687 here's a slightly newer one with power windows

[queen wren]

thats beautiful

[dull cedar]

and less than 100k on the clock

[queen wren]

its also auction

[dull cedar]

fuck

[white heart]

europe

so yeah

i aint getting that corolla

too far away

and insurance will fuck me in the ass

so yeah idk what to do

[dull cedar]

get a less old corolla

[white heart]

get a beater = fucked by insurance

get a nice car = fucked by insurance

[dull cedar]

there appears to be plenty of them

sounds like you're fucked either way so it's a non-issue

[white heart]

all with over 200k km, dad wouldnt let me buy those (also expensive as fuck for no reason ?)

[dull cedar]

they're expensive because toyotas just are.

they last

they will outlive you

depsite my best efforts my corolla is not dead

I did an oil and filter change a year ago
I've topped it up with like 15 litres of oil in 30k kilometers since then

[white heart]

... fair enough

but like

why do they look so shit

[dull cedar]

they're the beaters that will continue to be beaters for longer than most car's run from brand new

[queen wren]

how is the nissan micra

[dull cedar]

which ones

[queen wren]

1990

[white heart]

corollas

i like the 90s one

wouldnt get it for sure just cause of the drive itself

[dull cedar]

embrace the weird looks.

at least it's not a WiLL

[white heart]

doesnt even look weird it just look bland and boring idk

[dull cedar]

that's the point.

how many times do I have to say it lol

[charred depot]

My very rich friend had a couple of these as dailies as of recently. Also has my £500 impreza still.

He has access to probably over a million pounds and still drives these

[white heart]

yeah your point make sense

but like

boring

[dull cedar]

I want one with the 20 valve

[charred depot]

his was like a 1.3 aswell heh

[dull cedar]

oof

[white heart]

why buy a corolla when i could make a stupid financial choice

[dull cedar]

because it's your first car

you get the boring car now and make the bad financial choice after

[white heart]

the devil is whispering in my ears

[dull cedar]

and you'll have the boring car to fall back on when the bad financial choice blows up in your face

[white heart]

i wont make the bad at all cause those corolla are pricy as fuck

[dull cedar]

I will soon replace my corolla, but it won't be going anywhere. it'll sit in our driveway waiting to be driven

[white heart]

4,5k for an almost 200k km car is crazy

[dull cedar]

car = ability to get a better job
better job = more money

[dull cedar]

this is just what good cars cost lol

and 200k is nothing

silly euros scared of high kilometers because the euros only engineer their cars to last a couple hundred K at most before things start failing

[white heart]

i wont get a real job any time soon either

i got studies

[white heart]

even if it is, got to get the parent seal of approval, so thats a nope

[dull cedar]

fucking parents

always the dumb ones

[charred depot]

My parents dont like my cars, they want me to buy a brand new car

[white heart]

i mean with my dad i def could explain the toyota

but like

its just

[charred depot]

bringing up the streets value

[dull cedar]

then fucking do it

[white heart]

mom wouldnt approve and uhhh

i just dont like the corolla

[dull cedar]

sounds like your negotiating skills need work

buy the cheap car that'll last you until you're done studying, and far beyond that if needed.
if you make the bad financial choice now you'll likely regret it, and at worse have no running car because of it

[white heart]

have you ever tried to convice somehow who's completely clueless but think hes right (appart from me)

[queen wren]

My dad said either 207 rc or the Honda if we like that 😭

[dull cedar]

my dad, many times.
often with a lot of yelling
and then he goes and has a smoke and realises that I'm fucking right.

[queen wren]

He said your first car should be a cheap car you can crash

[white heart]

cheap car prolly wont even be able to go into cities no more

[dull cedar]

[white heart]

i love france governments being absolute idiots

[white heart]

france created the ZFE or sum, basically a 206 cant go inside cities but for somehow a V8 mustang can

gotta love france for being fucking morons

[charred depot]

My car is only allowed in Scottish cities due to a historical exemption

bringing great historical value

[dull cedar]

From 1 January 2025, vehicles with the Crit’Air 3 badge — specifically diesel vehicles over 14 years old and petrol vehicles over 19 years old — are prohibited from entering these zones.

what genuinely stupid fuck made this rule based on vehicle age...

[charred depot]

These are general values that relate to the Euro number

Some cars older might qualify

[dull cedar]

europe has like the best emissions categories for cars and they choose the fucking age of the vehicle instead

[white heart]

french governements

they are killing the car market here

which is why i want to get a nice car

cause by the time i can get one later on

they'll all be expensive as fuck

[charred depot]

Thankfully all my 80's turbo diesel swapped smokers are allowed in

[white heart]

france is stupid

[charred depot]

My newer petrol car wasnt though

[white heart]

it just doesnt make sense man

[dull cedar]

you ain't gonna get anything actually nice in your budget though

[charred depot]

The fine is brutal in scotland too, like £60 and doubles for each occurence up to £500

[white heart]

planning to get a job and raise budget to 8k, maybe 10k if i manage

my aunt might help me out

i actually got a small gig planned this summer already

[dull cedar]

that should at least afford you a newer corolla then

[tepid wing]

Finally got my NACS adapter.

I'm still annoyed that I even need one, but here we are.

[charred depot]

just say no to road taxes

I never drove this car on the road btw

[tepid wing]

Sounds like there's paperwork for that you failed to file.

[charred depot]

I just forgot to declare SORN to mark it off the road as I get some many of these fucking reminders I get spammed with

[dull cedar]

https://www.ooyyo.com/france/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111BFB6FBAD3355B1AA31D7A06F486601108F577BC4535/-6305442540445615841.html/

[charred depot]

Even when my car is declared SORN they send me 3 of the reminders anyway so I got in the habit of ignoring them

I got the fine cost of it "being seen on the road" aswell I asked them to elaborate but wouldnt. I am pretty sure it got picked up by a camera on the back of our recovery truck

[dull cedar]

https://www.ooyyo.com/france/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111BFB6FBAD335588CBD1D7116C184741308F54EBD/-1997710097468814045.html/

[tepid wing]

Speaking of silly laws, it would appear as though the EV tax where I live only applies if you buy the car as an electric one.

[dull cedar]

elaborate?

[white heart]

no

[tepid wing]

If you buy an ICE car and convert it you don't have to pay the tax (based on how I'm reading it, not a lawyer) but if you then sell it the new owner has to pay the tax.

[dull cedar]

I will fill a blahaj with butter and beat you with it

[white heart]

im not spending 10k on a corolla

with 10k

there is a mr2

a lot actually

[dull cedar]

what year MR2?

[white heart]

let me check

[white heart]

2000 and 90s mostly

though prolly a bad choice

[dull cedar]

can't go in the ZFE

[white heart]

most are far away

[tepid wing]

My car cost like 3x that. :V

[dull cedar]

and any MR2 that's not a ZZW30 will be a project.

and will drink fuel

[white heart]

neither can most corollas

but yeah

mr2 is a bad choice

but like

with 10k i could get a decent car

[dull cedar]

both of what I just linked can

[dull cedar]

the 10k corolla is a decent car.

and the choice that should be made

[pure pond]

always cover your plates then yeah

[dull cedar]

else buttershark.

[white heart]

get the blahaj ready

[dull cedar]

Don't dismiss the buttershark threats because I'm in new zealand. I will pay a european to get on a train.

[white heart]

yeah but i aint paying the 10k on a corolla

[white heart]

go ahead

[dull cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[white heart]

i'll duel the dude to death

[dull cedar]

you've yet to present any real options other than the corolla so far

[white heart]

any reasonable option is boring

[dull cedar]

quit being Fr*nch for a moment

and think.

repeat after me.
"I will buy a corolla"

[white heart]

i refuse to think

[white heart]

i will buy a shitty coupe cabriolet and crash into a ditch

actually minus the crash

itll break down before i do

[dull cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-pepe-frog-angry-angery-gif-18421495

[dull cedar]

increase your budget to 48,600 and buy new spicy yaris

https://www.toyota.fr/vehicules-neufs/gr-yaris

[pure pond]

and then it burns down

or did they fix that

[white heart]

fine ill buy a corolla

[dull cedar]

good.

[white heart]

then i got 88mph and either crash or the engine burn down 🔥

[white heart]

I LIED

[pure pond]

nvm i was thinking of a differnt car 🤣

[white heart]

run over to the 5000 euro lotus elise

[dull cedar]

any issues with the G16E engine have been caused by a major lack of skill

[white heart]

HOLY SHIT

THEY GOT A RCZ

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[dull cedar]

is it a rover engine one or a toyota engine one?

[white heart]

its a without engine one

description said engine blew up

must be a rover

[dull cedar]

so it was a rover engine one

[white heart]

how badly

would you want to kill me

if i bought a rcz

[dull cedar]

rcz?

the fuck is that?

[white heart]

peugeot rcz

[dull cedar]

do not buy a french car

[white heart]

"we got an r8 at home" car

[dull cedar]

it is punishable by a hanging off the pointy tower in paris

[white heart]

im in motherfucking france half the car there are french

[dull cedar]

wait

[white heart]

yes ?

[dull cedar]

isn't that the one jez set on fire in that top gear segment

[white heart]

idfk lol

just started top gear

[dull cedar]

or maybe they just look similar because shitty french car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TnGjq9mWSI

[white heart]

such a bad financial choice yet so appealing

[dull cedar]

yeah no not the same car lol

[white heart]

thats not at all a rcz

the rcz is way better lookign

lets see how much insurance would fuck me

if i got an rcz

[dull cedar]

they both look equally shit

[dull cedar]

I'll personally get on a plane to go do it

[white heart]

book those tickets for next year

[white heart]

nvm unbook those tickets

its 1500 insurance every year

rip rcz

[dull cedar]

save insurance money by moving to NZ, buying a 90s corolla and paying $150/year for third party insurance

[white heart]

ok yeah with 10k i could get a nice car

imma get a job

[charred depot]

Its funny I have a oddball car that costs £100 a year to insure, I have two of the same car that I pay around £500/y on

[white heart]

might as well tbh

france suck

[dull cedar]

as long as it's a toyota

[charred depot]

The difference being tweed carpet

[dull cedar]

🔫

[white heart]

is NZ trans friendly or sum

might as well

[charred depot]

£400/y discount for having tweed carpet

[white heart]

i hate france

[white heart]

if you give me a fun toyota or a good looking one

i will

[dull cedar]

it could be better, I know a decent amount of trans peeps and they don't have many complaints beyond just common public healthcare stuff
as long as things don't progress backwards we should be fine

[dull cedar]

plenty of fun can be had in a corolla

source: I drive one

[charred depot]

ideal first car

[dull cedar]

keeping 175mm wide tyres on the road can be very fun

[white heart]

then might just come lol

[charred depot]

my car with over 200hp Is meant to have 155 tyres

[white heart]

YOU GOT A BX ??

THATS COOL ASF

[white heart]

yeah but like

its slow

[dull cedar]

eh

no

[white heart]

unless i drive like an asshole

the teen crave high repair cost

[dull cedar]

this is the way
tbf it feels like driving like an asshole but from the outside it just looks like normal driving

oh god not a merc

[white heart]

ehhhhhh

[white heart]

i crave unreliable expensive car to repair (i dont i hate german cars)

[dull cedar]

buttershark.

how much does a GT86 cost there?

if it's similar to here a cheap one may be just under 10k
though I imagine insurance will fuck you

[white heart]

there is one and its 21k

[full prism]

ae86 best(definitely doesnt cost 10k more than gt86)

[white heart]

what the fuck are those rims

[dull cedar]

oh god a fuckwit owned that

[charred depot]

Probably some Japan Racing wheels

[dull cedar]

(probably fake) BBS basketweaves

[white heart]

oh lawd

[full prism]

low ridaaah

[white heart]

in france we call that

Jackie Tuning

[charred depot]

its called barry here

[white heart]

yo tf lancia's still exist ?

havent saw one in over 3 year

[dull cedar]

https://www.hookmeup.co.nz/cdn/shop/files/3837417718369407705.jpg?v=1702417577

[white heart]

ethan

would you

murder me

if i bought this

[dull cedar]

yes

[dull cedar]

absolutely

instant death

[white heart]

:kek:

tf

fuck you discord

[dull cedar]

[white heart]

are lancia's that bad

[charred depot]

cheaper option which it likely is

[white heart]

ok just looking at everything he had to change

in 100k km

yes

[dull cedar]

if you think a corolla is ugly but not that, you need to be in an insane asylum

[white heart]

front is ugly as shit 💀

geniune hate it

why does it look like that

[dull cedar]

yep, exactly those

[white heart]

off brand rolls royce

[dull cedar]

I can hear the sound of it shattering when hitting a curb from here

[white heart]

reject modernity and speed return to dad mode

[charred depot]

What you need is a clan crusader

[white heart]

that does look good

a bit goofy

but good

[white heart]

@dull cedardo you hate this too

i think im getting blocked with this one 🔥

[dull cedar]

you wouldn't catch me dead in that thing

[charred depot]

espace's are mega

[dull cedar]

oh fuck it's almost 4 am

I have work at 12

[white heart]

am i weird for liking this

[charred depot]

wrong timezone

[dull cedar]

yes

[white heart]

go sleep

[dull cedar]

very weird

[white heart]

you failed to convice me

[dull cedar]

cease

[white heart]

just sleep

[white heart]

no

[dull cedar]

if you buy a wind I will make you disappear into the wind

goodnight

[white heart]

bet

[white heart]

night

see you tomorow

maybe ill have wisened up tmrw

[dull cedar]

[white heart]

sleep well

@charred depotwhat do you think of 407 ?

[charred depot]

Not too bad, but I would look at a 406, then a 405, then a 305 instead : )

[white heart]

the 406 look so nice

its hella pricey

but nice

[urban loom]

I drive a 2015 Subaru forester

It is a car

[dull cedar]

Peak boring

Sorry I'm going to sleep I swear

[urban loom]

It is actually peak peak

It goes places and doesn’t complain

[white heart]

corolla

[white heart]

common sleep

its funny arguing with you

but sleep

[white heart]

agree with ethan

[urban loom]

It is great on gas and in the snow! Also it has a transmission that grenades at 120k miles

Or something in km

[urban loom]

Or alternatively a Toyota echo

[charred depot]

just get a Peugeot 1007

[white heart]

this car is silly

[white heart]

crazy

im guessing this is a stupid car to buy

most people only say the wind is reliable

online

[full prism]

a dog in cold weather

[white heart]

uh ?

[white heart]

i dont get the comparaison

[full prism]

looks tensed up and on tippy toes

[white heart]

oh

i find it cute

and pretty cool

[full prism]

notb ad

[white heart]

its quite cheap on insurance

and i got a weird passion for cabriolet

[full prism]

nice

[urban loom]

I want to import an old kei car hatchback for cute purposes

[white heart]

the coolest thing is that it somewhat stand out

[full prism]

yea sure, red on white rims will stand out

[white heart]

oh yeah im def changing those rims

ugly ass rims

[full prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198727661783093318.webp?size=48&name=Necoarc_Stare

[white heart]

but liek

its unique yk

like my main issue with most car

is that they just feel like every other car

[urban loom]

I am from US where pugeot no longer sells cars, but my dad had a 505 wagon back in the day. He said it was a nice car

[white heart]

They look neat

[white heart]

The wind feel unique

[full prism]

miat uniquer

[urban loom]

Now he drives one of the emission scandal TDI Volkswagens

[white heart]

Miata has become so over hyped

It's now super expensive

[urban loom]

The whole industry has gotten more expensive

[white heart]

If I wanted to get one in a good state id have to pay over 10k

[full prism]

exactly

[white heart]

Yeah but

[full prism]

worth

[white heart]

Miata is way too expensive

[white heart]

Imma go with the wind

The wind is silly

[full prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198727661783093318.webp?size=48&name=Necoarc_Stare

[white heart]

Is that a miat

[full prism]

its a cat, close enough

[urban loom]

Meowt

[white heart]

Very true

The wind look like a compressed coupe cabriolet

[full prism]

true

[white heart]

It's cute

I'll try to get one

[full prism]

gl

[white heart]

ty

[stiff bloom]

Okay that's actually insane

[white heart]

Yup

French car market suck

[charred depot]

I'm jealous of all the 305's you have over there. Someday I might buy one as a good shell to transfer all my parts into.

Been done before with one from Portugal but that was because some family's timing belt broke after driving from Portugal to Scotland and had to ditch the car here.

Bit of hassle buying a car from mainland Europe and bringing it to the UK when you are driving it

[queen wren]

@dull cedar

https://www.finn.no/mobility/item/384652326?ci=7

better then the honda accord?

[white heart]

bmw

[dull cedar]

God no

[queen wren]

The description says: best 1st car

[full prism]

than*

[queen wren]

That’s why I asked

[muted haven]

chat my svj is so cool

[full prism]

we believe you

[humble ore]

Picture please

[full prism]

🚗

[humble ore]

A spoiler on that and top of the notch machine

[full prism]

only if it had 800hp

[humble ore]

True sleeper

[muted haven]

i have no internet access right now

[humble ore]

Wait what

how are you even messaging

[full prism]

telepathy

controlling your neurons that are responsible for what you see and manipulating them to seeing the texts

[humble ore]

Wild

[white heart]

Ethan ain't u supposed to sleep

Or work

[humble ore]

*mom shows up *

[white heart]

Funniest shit is im younger than him by a lot prolly

[white heart]

Btw Ethan when u done with work

Give me 1 good argument as to why I shouldn't get the Renault wind

[humble ore]

Do you think that mecause of the pfp?

[white heart]

No I'm fucking 16 and he's an adult

Judging by the way he talk id give him mid 30s

[humble ore]

oh

[merry mason]

👎👎👎👎

[humble ore]

I read it wrong

[merry mason]

Bmw bad chat

[white heart]

Oh

[white heart]

I mean it ain't that bad it's neat but it's the shittiest idea for a first car

[humble ore]

how the hell do people have this kind of understanding over text messages

[white heart]

He has owned a car for quite a while now, know mechanics, has a job

Seem 30s to me

I'm chronically online tho

[humble ore]

That is fair

[dull cedar]

OUCH

I'm 21

[humble ore]

I was too, about a year ago deleted all apps of shit posting, well mostly reddit, the only think I scrolled

[merry mason]

This a real vehicle

[humble ore]

same

[dull cedar]

Yes, it's an old Hilux

[humble ore]

Strange question, but what do you guys think about Volvos especialy s40, about 2006-2010

[white heart]

Sorry mate

[white heart]

Youre that young ?

The way you're giving me recommendation on cars remind me of my 50 year old dad

[humble ore]

Probably really in to cars if he has connections

[white heart]

Actually no mom

My dad dgaf

[humble ore]

sorry, but what is dgaf

[dull cedar]

I'm a (mostly) responsible human

[white heart]

Don't give a fuck

[humble ore]

thanks

[white heart]

My dad is hella chill on my first car choice

I showed him the Renault wind and he went "nice"

[white heart]

Very fair

[humble ore]

Interesting

[humble ore]

Gonna get your license soon?

[merry mason]

I am a mekanic and we don’t see them old Volvos at all

[full prism]

not untill you buy a 5090

[merry mason]

There isn’t a lot of em around but they never broken

[white heart]

Soon as august if I drive well, planning to get it this year

[dull cedar]

Fuck off

[merry mason]

I got my license today chat

Best feeling ever

[dull cedar]

Unless something majorly changes I won't buy a new Nvidia card ever again

[white heart]

Think of all the money you saved on the Corolla, you can use all that on a 5090

[humble ore]

Congrats!

[white heart]

Good job

[dull cedar]

[white heart]

Can't wait to get mine

[dull cedar]

I'll buy a used evga 3090 ti when I can, and that'll be the newest Nvidia card I'll consider owning

[white heart]

Rn I'm too much of a danger on the road alone

[dull cedar]

For context I'm still on a 1080 ti

[humble ore]

You'll learn

[white heart]

I still forget blinkers sometime 🤦‍♀️

[merry mason]

Honestly it’s worth the wait I ain’t even got a car yet but it’s amazing

I been itching for mine since like 14 ahahha

[white heart]

Main reason I want to get my license is to get my very own car lol

[humble ore]

but will still be danger on the road, car isn't a joke, got hit by one, know what it feels like

[white heart]

My car love that I had as a 6 year old kid just came back 1 year ago

[white heart]

Instantly started taking lessons and shit lol

[humble ore]

Buy bmw or tesla there will be no need for those

[white heart]

Ew

[dull cedar]

I got my learner's in 2019
Then covid happened, then we moved, a bunch of fucking around happened and I finally got my restricted a year ago

[humble ore]

agreed

[white heart]

I got my learner 3 month ago

[dull cedar]

And will have my full very soon

[white heart]

Or 2 ?

Idk

[humble ore]

What is learner license, sorry not from USA

[white heart]

I need to practice maneuver a lot

[merry mason]

Ahahha fair I was just learning in my mums

[dull cedar]

Neither am I...

[white heart]

In France it allow you to drive with your parents in the véhicule

[humble ore]

Wait

[dull cedar]

As the name would imply, it's the license you learn on

[humble ore]

oh

[white heart]

Starting at 16

Can get restricted license (France only) at 17

[humble ore]

you guys get to drive from 16????

[white heart]

Then fill one at 18

[white heart]

Drive alone no

Drive with parents being copilot yes

Though

You have to usually take 30h of driving lessons

And take two tests

Practical and theorical

[white heart]

I suck at parking so bad

I had to try again 3 times to park

[humble ore]

From where I'm at you can learn to drive from 17, get license from 18, only thing you need is to have a pass on theory test and you can drive with a family member that has at least 5 years of driving knowledge

[white heart]

You learn to drive as early as 15 here

Though

Theorical test first

[humble ore]

Is your biggest problem knowing where your car edges are?

[white heart]

And only in special cars from driving schools

[white heart]

Just remembering when to steer and counter steer, just need a lot of practice like everything

Planning on going on a parking lot soon to learn

[humble ore]

in here you can drive from 15 if it's unders 50cm3 of power, basically a motorcycle or a car that is capable of going under 50

[white heart]

Those have paddles in both sides

[humble ore]

only theorical test as well

[white heart]

Same here

At 16 you get 125cm tho

[humble ore]

Were both in Europe so seems fair

[humble ore]

same here

[white heart]

And at 18 no more limit if you pass a final test

[humble ore]

We have one limit, you can get a full motorcycle license only after 24 or if you have 4 years of driving with motorcycle then you can get it at 20, no limits

[white heart]

My plan is to get my license this year

And get a Renault wind

[white heart]

Oooh

Here to get no limit on motor

[merry mason]

Pic

[white heart]

You gotta take a final test

[humble ore]

This is pretty recent change, we have this because some of the people get both A and B licenses and then just crash their motorcycles

[white heart]

It's a goofy cabriolet

[white heart]

It's a goofy cabriolet

Which I really like

[white heart]

Discord lagging bruh

[white heart]

Very smoll

[white heart]

Aye fair

[humble ore]

A and for motorcycle b is for light vehicles

[white heart]

I hate bikers ngl

The amount of them

[humble ore]

fk em

[white heart]

Who feel entitled to the road is crazy

Like they chill

[humble ore]

But you know what I have more

electric scooters

[white heart]

But the dumb shits who cut everyone off

[white heart]

You know what's worse

Tesla driver's

And work vans

[humble ore]

Real

dude

I just heard the crazies turbo

[white heart]

Whenever I saw one of those pull up during a learning lesson I knew they were about to do some stupid ass moves

[humble ore]

what the actual fk

it's 1:30 here

[white heart]

It's 0:29 here

Maybe we ought to go to sleep

[white heart]

@merry mason opinion btw ?

[full prism]

oh thats a fucking renault lmao

[humble ore]

We respect work vans, in Lithuania at least in the capital (capital drivers are on different level, way faster, do not care about speed signs), they are best drivers I've ever seen, pretty much same as taxi

[full prism]

i didnt realise that before

[white heart]

Yup

A cute one

Renault make smoll silly car

Who turn well

[white heart]

Here in France they are assholes

Also

I realised the reason why driving is so hard with the driving school

[full prism]

might be even better if u get a good set of suspension, that is also lower than stock

[merry mason]

I ain’t neva seen one of those

Ahahahah

[humble ore]

Get this, way cooler car, but if you brake the glass in the back you're screwed

uploading

please wait

[merry mason]

Huzz gon love that mf

[white heart]

Is because everyone lose their braincell when they see the car

[white heart]

That's a fucking rcz mate

Whole different car

Insanely more expensive

Won't even get an insurance to insure me if I get one

[humble ore]

really, they aren't that expensive in LT, well their parts are

[humble ore]

Fair

[white heart]

It sadly didn't work too well even though it was a great car

[white heart]

I got a 6k budget unless I get a job

[full prism]

i seen atleast 4 of them in my life, always makes me happy to see even tho its fairly inexpensive

[white heart]

They are absolute beauty tho

The rcz is a dream of mine

Nicest car Peugeot made tbh

[white heart]

Tbh they are good enough from factory

[merry mason]

Nah Peugeot boxer 👍

[white heart]

Renault unironically make insanely good handling small cars

[humble ore]

my Cousin has one, two biggest problems the back window and electronics, they made different electronics only for this car

[merry mason]

Van supremacy

[white heart]

Typical french car

Can't be normal for once

[full prism]

looks like it too. its like what, 200hp stock? light too

[humble ore]

My first car 307 2006, loved it, the wa it handles is amazing

[humble ore]

ye

[merry mason]

What a beast

[white heart]

The wind ?

No

101 HP

[full prism]

what

[white heart]

The 1 HP is very important

[full prism]

no, the peugot lol

[merry mason]

What engine was that

[white heart]

Oooooh

[full prism]

real

[white heart]

The Peugeot

[white heart]

Depend on model

[full prism]

didnt see u say for the wing lol mb

[white heart]

Cheapest is 160 HP

[humble ore]

They had different engines, especially the R one

[white heart]

Most expensive was 260 or sum

[white heart]

Solid ass car ngl

Peugeot and Renault made some sweet ass lightweight sporty car

[humble ore]

ye, but small issue the gead gascet was fried, not sure how to spell gascet, gaschet ah fk it

[white heart]

Just in term of handling

[white heart]

Gasket ?

I think ?

[humble ore]

yes

[white heart]

Also rip

My mom had a 307

It bravely died at 500 000 km

Would have costed too much to fix

Rest in peace legend

[humble ore]

I couldn't really use gas pedal to much or it would overheat, my father sells car for a living so we didn't replace it I drove it for a half a year and then replaced it to Volvo S40 2006

[merry mason]

I personally really like the hdi engine they put in them ones I think they are so easy to fix I think it’s 1.6

[humble ore]

same engine as that peugeot just 100kw about 134hp

[white heart]

What I like the most is the handling

[humble ore]

They are really good, the biggest problem is the gasket, I've seen a lot of them with that problem, but no big deal

[white heart]

The Renault wind has a Renault sport chassis If I remember ? That thing take turns insanely well

[humble ore]

How much power does it make, at least the one you want and also how much does it weight?

[white heart]

The one I'll prolly get make 101 (the 1 make all the difference) and weight 1173kg

It definitely isn't a killer in term of speed

[humble ore]

deem pretty good

[white heart]

Or acceleration

But it's cute

Fun

[humble ore]

Nha m8, slow cars ar the best

[white heart]

And I'm ngl I absolutely love how it look

[humble ore]

especially the lighter ones

[white heart]

Once you get to the speed you can take the turns fast at least

That thing handle like a dream