cars

[hexed kayak]

what sensor?

[rugged lynx]

i heard that some of the saturns do that. they are the same platform as a cobalt

[hexed kayak]

pretty sure non of the cobalts motors have any embedded sensors

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lnf/

they came from the factory with forged cranks

and forged rods

newer gens of this motor are the 4cyl you get in the camaro

[rugged lynx]

@hexed kayak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-Dd6pv8Oc

[hexed kayak]

nah fuck that

[compact grotto]

guy went a little crazy @dusk ocean https://youtu.be/ox3FSn6IZxY

[deep zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994297050709626910/1177047968319283230/IMG_6209.mov?ex=65711658&is=655ea158&hm=acbf0a42d76023a4a98a38e22ef3bfa98898713ca2f214ce219cfc509c6c516b&

Homie would not shut up and let me drive 😭

[dusk ocean]

Yeah dude is a little much

[compact grotto]

the clamps on the coolant reservoir are the exact correct type and clocked how they would have been from the factory. that's when you know

[dusk ocean]

"OK dude, wait for the expansion tank to crack... LIKE STOCK"

[compact grotto]

lmao

you can't drive that

[dusk ocean]

no

[compact grotto]

or at least you wouldn't want to

that's no fun

[dusk ocean]

he would not have enjoyed mine

he labeled the wiring

"I just wanted to do that"

Confusing

[compact grotto]

$230k appraisal lol

[dusk ocean]

I mean E30 M3s do go for insane figures... but I almost feel like his is so "redone" that its modified

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-fine-gif-25275641

1. the leather is not supposed to look like that 2) he's in that creepy "stuffed animal thing" mode

Disappointing rear shelf

[idle gate]

@ me when you realize the work of art.

[dull cedar]

old

looks european

[idle gate]

Japanese.

Here's it in the engine bay.

It's only half and from a different company.

It's an L28.

Bored out to 3.1L

LD28 crank.

[dull cedar]

oh, I can't read upside-down lol

datsun

[idle gate]

The head is semi-custom.

[dull cedar]

how on earth does that look like a v12 to you?

[idle gate]

He probably counted the ITBs as exhaust?

[dull cedar]

still, how does that look anything like a v12 lol

[idle gate]

VR6, but longer?

IDK. I just like muh "L31".

[dull cedar]

but they mentioned one specific v12, which looks absolutely nothing like that in any possible way

[idle gate]

True.

[idle gate]

My passion is sub-1L motors though.

[dull cedar]

because it is the only one

only production one*

[idle gate]

Let's talk Daihatsu.

[dull cedar]

no

[idle gate]

Yes.

I love Daihatsu's.

[dull cedar]

no

[idle gate]

It's the J series no one knows.

The JB-DET makes good noises.

https://youtu.be/FOENyT5yxDw

Not a Daihatsu, but still a nice van.
https://youtu.be/0bbqmTE_5I4

[uneven mauve]

i dont know why, but the firing order on the head is a turn on for me

[misty imp]

fuck it

tranny in the tub

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[dull cedar]

what in the fuck

[civic spoke]

[civic spoke]

I believe that a trucking term is in the filter. What some trucks have to deaccelerate.

[misty imp]

why would it be

it's just a car transmission

[carmine summit]

Jacobs brakes?

aka jakes?

jake brakes?

compression release engine brakes?

[civic spoke]

R-tarder

[carmine summit]

never heard that term in my life

ah, so it's a kind of fluid brake

seems like the primary use is for slowing down on hills, which like

why not just downshift and use a jake lol

[eternal mulch]

Omd PAHAHA

Who likes old engines here

[misty imp]

Jake brake iirc is quite different with how r tarder works

jake brake uses your engine to create the resistance

and the tarder uses a specific component to do it

[carmine summit]

yeah, compression brake vs a fluid brake that works the same way as a torque converter

[misty imp]

tho their terms are frequently interchanged

There are some r tarders that uses electromagnetic mechanisms to slow down actually

[carmine summit]

Jake brakes are better because BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR

[misty imp]

jake break largely just refers to the engine braking

like how leaving your car gears in 4th gear eventually slows you down

because at that point it's your wheels turning the engine

not your engine turning the wheel when a power stroke is produced

[carmine summit]

it's different

Jake brakes do things with the valves so the engine does way more braking than normal

it uses the engine's compression to slow the truck down

[misty imp]

thats literally what I said

iirc some cars out there actually prevents compression braking from happening by leaving the valves slightly open

so that the air being pushed / sucked in or out have somewhere to go instead of producing resistance

[eternal mulch]

Does anyone know how to add a turbo to an engines intake?

[misty imp]

how as in knowing how to actually install a turbo?

or are you planning it

[eternal mulch]

Well I wanna add a turbo to my lister but idk how to add one in

Or if it would work

[misty imp]

probably would

[eternal mulch]

Cuz the carburettor is kinda odd

[carmine summit]

in theory you could make it work but i doubt there's something that would be sized properly for it

[misty imp]

fucking send it

if you have the expertise and bodgery skills to adapt them to the exhaust of your lister engine then probably

[eternal mulch]

Ok

[misty imp]

meh you'd probably have problems with getting your carb to work nicely with your turbo

is that a single piston?

[eternal mulch]

Yh cuz when it needs air this plunger opens

But it’s how I’d mount it

[misty imp]

it will probably disassemble itself before you can actually strap a turbo on that

[eternal mulch]

Yh it’s a single piston

[dusky torrent]

I have no idea why cars need their tires rotated

[misty imp]

for their wear pattern

you honestly don't really need to tbh

[dusky torrent]

What's wear pattern

[misty imp]

but if you want consistent patern you should rotate them every 5k or so

I fucked up when i first got my car

[dusky torrent]

You mean this?

[eternal mulch]

AYO someone’s actually done it

[misty imp]

I didn't rotate it after doing 20k so it became abit fucked

[eternal mulch]

Someone’s actually strapped a turbo to the same lister as me

[misty imp]

not quite

[dusky torrent]

Well

What's wear pattern

[misty imp]

you know those treads on your tyres

over the years they separate / go into one side

due to regular use

when you swap them around it kinda helps with that

making sure that it goes the other way

if you drive a fwd it's not as relevant as you can just swap your front tires

but on rwd and awd you have to do it

[dusky torrent]

So let's say someone has a RWD car with wider rear tires and thinner front tires. Would rotating them put the wider rear tires on the front and the thinner front tires on the rear?

[misty imp]

https://www.telletire.com/what-happens-when-you-dont-rotate-your-tires/

here's an article that explains it better than i would

[dusky torrent]

My car is AWD

Oh no, life threatening mistake of not rotating tires? 😨

[misty imp]

meh not really

just do this every 6k and you're gucci

[dusky torrent]

Man, I don't understand

Sports cars have wider rear tires than front tires

I don't understand why someone would rotate the thinner front tires to the back of a RWD car

Speaking of tires, I think mine are worn. I'll show you

[misty imp]

bro

did you hit a pot hole

or curb rash it?

That shit looks like it's bulging

like a sidewall bulge

[misty imp]

it's different, you're better off swapping them rear wheels

but in this case replace your goddamn tyres

[dusky torrent]

i bought it like that

[misty imp]

like the car?

or the tyres?

I mean get second opinions but I don't think that is safe at all

one bad pothole and your bead could go

[carmine summit]

that's broken cords not the bead

still needs to get replaced

[misty imp]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thinking-in-thought-rotate-gif-8083088

[halcyon grotto]

this is fine

not too bad really

[charred depot]

I wouldnt bother with rotating tyres

[halcyon grotto]

I dont think mini tyres are that expensive anyways

[charred depot]

I hear US people speak of it all the time but in the UK and I think alot of europe its not that common.

[halcyon grotto]

most people on the volvo forums suggest it tbf

but they're obviously not commoners

[charred depot]

If your cars old definetely dont do it

I should say old and worn

[halcyon grotto]

that mini is

it might have a bad head gasket too not entirely sure yet

[charred depot]

Most shitters develop decent rear camber over time and when you put those tyres on the front wheels you have very little grip till 100-1000 miles when they finally bed in

[halcyon grotto]

tru

[charred depot]

speak from experience, friend had a similar issue on a volvo V50

If you get a garage in the UK to fit a pair of tyres on a normie car and they bother to move wheels about they will usually just put the best wheels on the rear with the idea being that its better for cars to be understeery for bozo's

[quartz crown]

exploring in the bombodore

[civic girder]

Depends on the car

[rugged lynx]

I have done this lol

when i was done i found out my tub was still cleaner than my neighbors tub.

they moved out and got to do a walk through after they were gone

[civic spoke]

I'm running 225/45R17 square in the summer so that I don't have to bother with more expensive tires and a staggered setup.

[hexed kayak]

you are one pothole away from a very bad day

[limber whale]

Shoutout Jeep

The only brand I know that puts valve covers made of plastic on cars

if only there was a better material

That’s been used since the cars inception that would be more durable

Man I just can’t put my finger on it lol

[hexed kayak]

only? almost all cars have plastic valve covers now

[stoic ledge]

I was thinking the same lol

[limber whale]

That’s dumb

[civic spoke]

There are cars with plastic oil pans, too.

[hexed kayak]

its also not even new. i saw my first one in 09

[stoic ledge]

I think GM already used it in like 2001

[quartz crown]

[stoic ledge]

I know the Corsa C had a plastic Valve cover on the Z12XE, and that's 2001 I think

Older version X12XE, basically same engine , was not in plastic

[timber oar]

Those brakes look brand new

[civic spoke]

This doesn't sound/look like the end of the world?

[quartz crown]

I hit a kerb

Sounded like it could’ve been wheel bearing or the rim/tyre but yea now that I’ve actually gotten it up it’s seems like it’s somethin less problematic

[sweet gale]

got my taser dt and set it up and went for a drive in the mountains shit looks clean

[fathom socket]

That's a really nice truck.

[spice compass]

Been years since I posted any of my cars or posted at all. Picked this up in June and its been fun driving it and pretty damn easy to mod. Let's see how it holds up.

[idle gate]

Hyundai

So long as it isn't a 2012-2022 model, it's fine.

[spice compass]

I have 2 Hyundais and 3 VW's lol.

[idle gate]

Which Hyundai is 2012-2022?

[spice compass]

23

[idle gate]

Both?

[spice compass]

yes

[idle gate]

Good.

Good.

[spice compass]

i5 you can see in the behind it.

mk4 r32 and mk3 gti in the garage

[idle gate]

How's the Ioniq?

[spice compass]

I fucking love it. So smooth.

I leased it for 3 years because I am an idiot and want the N version LOL

[idle gate]

I've heard that there is issues with the 1-pedal mode where it doesn't properly use the brake light when using the regen braking. Happen to you?

[spice compass]

That has been fixed via an update a bit ago

[idle gate]

Nice.

[spice compass]

like a month after I bought it

[idle gate]

How many years of software support?

[spice compass]

Iccu update and havne't had any charging problems

[idle gate]

Nice.

[spice compass]

I think 5 years with the bluelink and 2 years free charging with EA

[idle gate]

Oh, I don't mean that. I mean how many years is Hyundai going to support the Iconiq with software updates?

[spice compass]

Oh, I honestly do not know.

At least I can do them via usb so far for the map and media stuff.

I like that

[idle gate]

True.

[hearty delta]

This is beautiful

[quartz crown]

i really hate it

[hearty delta]

Lemme guess, ur a supra kid

[civic spoke]

Not really anything too special in my eyes.
Bags, rims, and kit with a wing and side skirts, etc.

I'm in the "Less is more" camp.

[elfin stone]

@stoic ledge Front PDC is done, works just like in the Zafira B

[stoic ledge]

nice

Makes sense it works like the Zafira B... As it probably is the same part and BCM as the Zafira B?

Is it also as crazy loud as on the Astra K

[elfin stone]

Nope

Definitely quieter

[elfin stone]

Yup, just a different code index

Front beeps via the CIM, rear via a speaker

[civic spoke]

https://vxtwitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1727750057800155243

[elfin stone]

Had to retrofit that one

Oh, and something pretty neat, I retrofitted the foldable bench from the caravan into my 5dr @stoic ledge

[charred depot]

Weekend fun begins

correct usage of a 4 post lift

[stoic ledge]

Hmm why? I always find those quite annoying lol, but mostly because it never fits as my seat is all the way back

[stoic ledge]

Bruh looks sketchy

[civic spoke]

Isn't that @charred depot in a nutshell?

[stoic ledge]

Fact

[elfin stone]

It’s way better than the old one

The 5dr bench is fixed

And you’ll have to maneuver it into the clips in an awkward way

Last time I had to remove it, it took me more than an hour to get it properly reinstalled

Now it’s just folding the seats up and removing them from the hinges

[charred depot]

Maybe with a engine in but its made safe now that the engine has been dropped out : )

[elfin stone]

And the rear now folds down flat

[stoic ledge]

I'm not often needing to take out the rear bench so I'm not feeling your frustration xP

[elfin stone]

^^

[charred depot]

Turbo engine will go in tomorrow where I will find out it has a blown headgasket or something.

[elfin stone]

It’s more a, if I need to, I can do it now. And it was REALLY useful when I transported my summer wheels into storage

So much more Space…

[stoic ledge]

For that I'll now steal my parents "new" Karoq, there you just take out the entire rear seats

Astra K hatch never has a flat boot iirc

I have the raised floor because I have a spare, so it's fairly flat

Actually, idk if I need to fold forward a bench. Probably not. Haven't tried

[stoic ledge]

Didn't it already have a turbo? Or is this another 305?

[charred depot]

another I have 3 of them

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

One im working on atm

[stoic ledge]

Not too bad

[elfin stone]

Squishes the upholstery, which is an issue on the H rear bench

Especially with leather

And I have the cargo insert now, which means the whole thing is now completely level. If I had to, I can now sleep in my car instead of a tent

[charred depot]

305 estates have 50/50 rear seats but 3 seats in the back

[elfin stone]

I managed to get a 40/20/40 rear, which is insanely rare on the H, especially in leather. Because it was only offered very briefly as an expensive option

So almost nobody ordered the damn thing

[stoic ledge]

Yeah you don't see it often

[stoic ledge]

50-50 🤔

I have 60/40, which is sad because then it's missing the rear armrest

[elfin stone]

Fun fact, the H had a rear armrest option

But only with the 40/60 config

But I have yet to see an actual car with this

[stoic ledge]

Hmm opposite on the K I think

But, not available at all on the 2016 MY

Then people complained it was missing and they added it

[charred depot]

Yeah I always thought they were 4 seaters instead of the saloons which were 5 but no

there is a seatbelt there for someone to uncomfortably sit in the middle

[stoic ledge]

That seems very uncomfortable

[elfin stone]

I think it’s classified as „emergency seat“

You are not supposed to use that one that much

[stoic ledge]

Ah no armrest was with the 60-40 in the K

But finding heated rear + armrest is practicality impossible

Idk if that's even ever offered

[charred depot]

wont get a boot like that on a modern

[stoic ledge]

Not with 3mm of exterior sheeting no

[charred depot]

shut :^)

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

crumple zone innit

[stoic ledge]

That moment you realize you're the crumple zone

[charred depot]

most of my long distance drives include a engine sitting in the boot so I will probably get smacked by that anyway

Havent driven a modern car for any significant distance for a long time, doesent really come to mind.

[stoic ledge]

Doesn't matter if you're already dead inside

[charred depot]

true

yourself heh

Ive always been a pretty careless person so not too bothered by cars, working on one sitting in a live lane of the motorway with NPC squad passing closely is a bit here and there though.

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/YZBSEFBU--o

[wraith rivet]

chrg plz

[quartz crown]

No...

[valid marsh]

hi everyone

does anyone here know anything about vanlife

or want to talk about cargovans

ive been looking at facebook marketplace for vehicles lately

[dull cedar]

this isn't #gaming

[valid marsh]

still kind of a car tho

anyway, back to vanlife

im trying to decide if i should . . .

• buy used
• buy like-new used
• buy new?

[dull cedar]

people in this channel drive cars, not live in them lol.... there's a million better places to ask about this

[valid marsh]

thanks for the opinion

if you can't help, then dont contribute. simple.

[dull cedar]

[valid marsh]

[dull cedar]

why would you assume someone is "a supra kid" because they hate the photo of a slammed R8?

[valid marsh]

what is an R8?

[dull cedar]

Audi R8... the car in the photo related to that message

[valid marsh]

i followed the trail

[dull cedar]

didn't need to re-send it

[valid marsh]

and it took me back to this image

[civic spoke]

If you're going to be living it it all the time, and drive it a lot. Then having a warranty is always nice.

[valid marsh]

so audi r8 or (R8) refers to the model of this car

and im guessing audi is the make

is that correct?

[civic spoke]

Yeah. Audi is the manufacturer. R8 is the model of the vehicle.

[valid marsh]

interesting

never heard of them

[dull cedar]

even as a non-car person, how on earth have you not heard of audi

[valid marsh]

wait are warranties real?

like the ones that come in the mail?

i thought you couldnt get a warranty on a car, isnt it just insurance

[dull cedar]

with all your computer build threads, and now these questions.... I'm still not convinced you're not just trolling

[valid marsh]

or is it warranty in other countries

[dull cedar]

car manufacturers warranty cars for the first few years of ownership

[civic spoke]

A warranty is something you get with new vehicles, yeah.

Which means that if it's something that breaks that isn't supposed to break (essentially). Then the manufacturer will cover that.

[valid marsh]

new vehicles only?

cause ive never bought new or like-new used

[civic spoke]

Some warranties do transfer over. But the warranty is many times only good for a few years, and a certain number of miles.

For example. Kia has a 10-year/100,000 mile limited powertrain warranty.

[dull cedar]

which you're going to need with a kia

[civic spoke]

It means that Kia will take care of you if they consider the fault to be a non-wear/abused item.

[valid marsh]

i kind of doubt my used vehicles from 2007 and 2013 had a warranty

but i kept getting phone calls and letters about my cars warranty and extended warranty

i always thought it was a scam tbh, i never would have known a car warranty was real

[dull cedar]

those are scams

[civic spoke]

Additional warranties do exist. But it's often you pay extra for. And you REALLY have to read through the fine print for what they cover.

My sister had her VW Golf covered using an insurance/warranty thing that she had.

Which covered some electrical fault that she had with her car.

[valid marsh]

so unless you knew you had a warranty

its a scam basically

so theres both then

im guessing VW is volkswagon

im guessing golf is the model. never heard of that one

[civic spoke]

How? What part of the world are you from?

[valid marsh]

im from the USA

i live in ohio currently

[civic spoke]

USA has the Golf though.

[valid marsh]

so i am right then

the golf is the model

[civic spoke]

Yeah, Golf is the model.

[valid marsh]

i personally cant drive a manual. but i know what manual is

[civic spoke]

And VW is Volkswagen.

The Golf is one of the most sold compact cars here.

[valid marsh]

here is the VW golf

not bad, but wouldnt be great for my kind of vanlife tbh

[civic spoke]

That's the the Golf R, too. So it has a solid 300+ hp. Driven to all corners.

Oh, right. I forget that VW USA doesn't have the same lineup as VW EU.

VW EU has a line of vans and everything as well.

[valid marsh]

i want it to be walkable bare min requirement

but i am 5ft 8in

yep those are the big 3, ford transit, dodge ram promaster (fiat ducato), Mercedes-benz Sprinter (dodge or frieghtliner too)

those are like the expensive influencer vans

i want one, that is like the dream van, but idk how to get one that isnt destroyed

i live in toledo ohio, so i am looking at facebook marketplace everyday

[valid marsh]

im okay with this, i heard it costs <$100

[civic spoke]

When you're really balling.

[valid marsh]

literally, i can get all the extras overtime, but YES this is the plan

me but its quarter life crisis van lmao

[civic spoke]

Bringing it to a mechanic for $100, to save yourself from thousands of dollars of work is what you want to do. If you're buying second hand.

[civic spoke]

Meanwhile. This is a real baller move.

[valid marsh]

that one is really pretty

[civic spoke]

There are larger ones as well. But that one is nice and compact.

[valid marsh]

i hated schoolies, because they are kind of too big for me, but also because they have really bad mpg.

so schoolies, are crossed off my list

[civic spoke]

Nah. The compact size is nicer many times.

Then again...

[valid marsh]

i was thinking of shuttle buses because they are made for adults

[valid marsh]

but ultimately, they are still a bus, so i decided to go for a box truck over a shuttle bus if possible

[civic spoke]

Guy did a temp import of a dang Scania to travel the US.

[valid marsh]

shuttle buses have too many windows, and dealing with them is complicated since you usually have to maintain the aesthetic of having windows on the outside, while building a wall over them on the inside

not too cold in ohio

[civic spoke]

Having sheet metal is nice for any insulation that you can add.

[valid marsh]

yeah, you can spray paint the windows or tint them tho

p good for budget vanlife tho

[civic spoke]

Pretty neat project this has been. https://youtu.be/OHopyHIta0g

[valid marsh]

but ultimately decided on doing a box truck over a shuttle bus if possible

[civic spoke]

He has thrown an Escalade interior into a Silverado.

[valid marsh]

so i have crossed shuttle bus off my list

i looked into ambulances

but all the ambulances i found were low roof, i dont even know if they come with a high roof

i like the look and feel of them

yeah i agree, cause box trucks have plenty of headroom

and the ones with whats called a "peak" have a perfect place for a bed

but i would probably lay vertical and use the right or left side of the peak as a closet space

[civic spoke]

Probably. Or just a camper.

[valid marsh]

i looked into type a, b and c campers.

i think type a and type c are off the table. i have crossed them off

[valid marsh]

type b campers are very similar to cargovans

whats a "mobile home"

like a trailer for a trailer park?

[civic spoke]

This is what it would be here.

But I also understand the US culture is completely different when it comes to caravans and campers in general.

[valid marsh]

i think so, if im going the used route

ford transit and dodge promasters are like 10k used

a lot of box trucks are hard to find for 2k or 4k

[civic spoke]

I believe that in terms of creature comfort. Then it goes...
Converted van > Chassis with cab > Chassis without cab.

[valid marsh]

a lot of box trucks i see are going for about 8k

so now im just like, i think i have found the best used option for me

[civic spoke]

I know that there have been people who have slept in those u-haul vans.

[valid marsh]

but like

should i even buy used

?

[civic spoke]

You probably should. Considering how expensive new ones can be.

[valid marsh]

or should i go for the "like-new used" option instead and finance what i actually want

also, with the used route, i found that even though transits and promasters are expensive for regular used. there are a lot of 2005 sprinters for $4000, and im wondering if i should go that route instead

yeah like $56k

[civic spoke]

Oh, damn. I saw the old ad for the Volvo truck camper.

The highest bid was $230,000

[valid marsh]

so my actual plan was to, buy a used box truck or cheap sprinter.
and then save up for the new van while living in the used.

how does that sound? or is there better options?

[civic spoke]

That's really only something you can answer yourself.

[valid marsh]

usually, if you sell the used vehicle as a conversion vanlife van, you actually make more money than you put in

do you mean, why instead of what

oh which van do i want to get?

the dream van is either ford transit or dodge ram promaster.

[civic spoke]

I'm sure that insurance and everything would be high on whatever you're getting.

[valid marsh]

cause if i skip the used step phase.

and go straight for buying and financing a like-new used transit / promaster. it might be better than buying a box truck

well thats what im asking

like should i

A. ) buy used >> then save >> then buy brand new
B. ) finance a like-new used

[civic spoke]

If you're doing the interior parts yourself regardless. Then I would just recommend getting a used van that's have a storage interior that's already falling apart.

Why do I say this? Because you would be covering all of that up either way.

As long as the chassis and driveline is good.

[valid marsh]

thats true, when i look at vehicles, if it has shitty bus seats or shitty furniture or junk inside, i dont mind throwing it all out and i do plan on doing the build part of the van AFTER getting the van. so like probably insulation and probably floor and then probably walls etc

what is the "driveline"

ik chassis is the body of the car like a pc chassis or case

[civic spoke]

Engine, transmission, etc.

[valid marsh]

OH so not the frame

yeah i was learning this the other day. but it seems that.

year / age doesnt matter when buying a used car / vehicle.

mileage DOES matter more.

but overal. mileage doesnt matter as much as what people say because its actually how well it was maintained. so low mileage can be sus since it could be too low to the point where you can tell it was sitting

aside from that, year and age only determine aesthetics mostly and things like bluetooth

what IS retrofit

OH

yeah but rust is standalone mostly. like older it is the more time there is for rust to form, but if it was taken care of, then the rust shouldnt be there.

so like a 1988 vehicle shouldnt be an automatic no, as far as ik

but a 1988 vehicle with visible rust on the frame, and 20k miles is probably a no

but a 1988 with no rust, and 140k miles is maybe okay

so retrofit = when you upgrade your vehicle?

well with financing theres 2 options

brand new

and used

so at first was thinking of doing option A, but now im thinking maybe if i did option B that would save money

cause even if i go used, thats still like 2-4k gone

[valid marsh]

what about the
winnebago rialta
Vauxhaul Movano
Renault Trafic
Mitsubishi Delica

also what is a sportsmobile? is that a make?

[civic spoke]

https://sportsmobile.com/sportsmobile-4x4/

Retrofitter from the looks of it.

[valid marsh]

wait what is a retrofitter?

[civic spoke]

Company that adds features that didn't come from factory.

[valid marsh]

oh so its not a make

[civic spoke]

Look through the whole website that you'll see what they do. They have examples with Ford Transits, Mercedes Sprinter, Dodge Promaster and more.

[valid marsh]

they are just a conversion company

[civic spoke]

Yeah

[valid marsh]

wow thats insane

[civic spoke]

They have pricing and everything on their website to build something you want.

Just require a thick enough wallet.

@valid marsh Here you can get an idea about pricing. https://sportsmobile.com/preowned-sportsmobile-southwest/

Those are pre-owned units.

[valid marsh]

so i can safely cross off sportsmobile unless i finance ig

[civic spoke]

What you want to do will be expensive, no matter how you twist and turn it.

[valid marsh]

not really tbh

and definitely not 50-100k

im not saying financing brand new

im saying financing like-new used

completely different

[civic spoke]

The ones I shared with the recent link ARE used units.

Basically starting at $50k for used ones.

[valid marsh]

i wont be doing sportsmobile

does this have a peak?

i think i can cross off stepvans

[wraith rivet]

the amount of insane drivers on thanksgiving was wild

I’ve gotta go through my dashcam there’s so many things on there

[valid marsh]

wow

[still brook]

KSI truck

[still brook]

30 years old

[valid marsh]

my options i have been thinking about lately.

❌ A. buy a used schoolie >> finance a brand new ford transit
❌ B. buy a used shuttle bus >> finance a brand new ford transit
❌ C. buy a used stepvan >> finance a brand new ford transit
✅ D. buy a used box truck >> finance a brand new ford transit.
❌ E. buy a used ambulance >> finance a brand new ford transit.
✅ F. buy a used Sprinter >> finance a brand new ford transit
❌ G. buy a used schoolie >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
❌ H. buy a used shuttle bus >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
❌ I. buy a used stepvan >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster

✅ J. buy a used box truck >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
❌ K. buy a used ambulance >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
✅ L. buy a used Sprinter >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
❌ M. buy a used truck camper >> finance a brand new ford transit.
❌ N. buy a used truck camper >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
❌ O. buy a class B RV campervan >> finance a brand new ford transit.
❌ P. buy a class B RV campervan >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
❌ Q. buy a prebuilt conversion van >> finance a brand new ford transit.
❌ R. buy a prebuilt conversion van >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster

✅ S. buy a SUV >> finance a brand new ford transit.
✅ T. buy a SUV >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
✅ U. finance a like-new used ford transit
✅ V. finance a like-new used dodge ram promaster
✅ W. finance a like-new used sprinter
✅ X. finance a like-new used toyota prius

[eternal cove]

This bad boy goes on the roof later today once the sun comes up. Was able to stream 1080p over starlink while in motion, now time to try and push 4k.

1080p was okay.

[valid marsh]

is that starlink

[eternal cove]

There is a starlink involved yeah.

Camera will probably go right next to it and follow its cable to get inside.

[civic spoke]

Is it covered up during travel to avoid any debris?

[valid marsh]

what is it?

[eternal cove]

Its a camera for streaming, sorry thought I mentioned that in the comment.

[valid marsh]

i just dont understand it

a camera for streaming what

[eternal cove]

Nah, but I also dont get rock chips and hits up there.

[valid marsh]

the road?

[eternal cove]

Watch the video I replied to here.

[valid marsh]

its pretty and smooth, but whats the point

[civic spoke]

Live streaming. I guess.

[eternal cove]

Why are you on a chatroom on the internet?

[valid marsh]

to talk to people

[eternal cove]

Why bolt on extra stuff on a car.

Everyone has a hobby.

[valid marsh]

im asking you why

[civic spoke]

That too. General internet access while on the road.

[valid marsh]

like whats the hobby

[civic spoke]

How do you power it?

[eternal cove]

I lived in the south and stormchased previously. I reccorded my entire cross country road trip and want to do it again. Streaming was a bonus.

I have a bluetti 2000wh bank in the truck.

[valid marsh]

so the point is to capture the drive basically and the scenery around the vehicle since sometimes you see something cool while driving, but then you cant take a picture or something

[civic spoke]

Nice.

[eternal cove]

Captured lightning in high rez in a hailstorm in one of the vids above. You dont always get to pull over.

[valid marsh]

do people actually watch those kinds of streams tho? ive seen cctv footage live camera streams which are interesting but mostly just background. im guessing this would be mostly the same.

[eternal cove]

I want to have 4k for that next time.

[valid marsh]

unless its like, for a video essay or something

[eternal cove]

Was in death valley.

[valid marsh]

or a school project

[eternal cove]

At the moment I have a tv on my wall that plays my long format stuff. For the most part, beyond the random clips I have shared its for me.

Does not always have to be for some project or job.

[civic spoke]

What's the power draw on your starlink? With the 2,000 wh battery I imagine that you have a solid 24 hours of use.

Not counting for charging the power bank.

[eternal cove]

At the moment, my draw is 70 watts, I am powering the starlink dish, a third party router and a poe injector for a unifi ac pro. I also am using the high performance dish not the one you get when you order for home.

Thing was 2500 tacos.

[civic spoke]

Yeah. Expensive AF.

[eternal cove]

I can get over 24 hours if all I am powering is my network. Truck also charges at 100w.

[civic spoke]

Website says that it draws anywhere between 110-150 Watts.

[eternal cove]

The stock router sucks.

[civic spoke]

The router itself draws over 50 watts?

I meant for the starlink.

[eternal cove]

lemmie go grab it and ill see whats on the bottom.

I was at 130w constant before I cut it out.

[civic spoke]

Ooof. Stout power draw for that.

Just 70 W for the starlink itself is fine.

But another +50% if you want to use it as a router? Nah.

[eternal cove]

Now it has an edgerouter x and ac pro AP and it sips power.

[civic spoke]

👌

[eternal cove]

Nope its buried in a box now. Anyway, super happy with the change. Going to also come in super handy when camping lol.

[civic spoke]

Hopefully you will get to keep it for yourself. That no one will try to steal it from you.

[eternal cove]

Yeah, Am concerned about theft, used anti tamper screws and there is 600 pounds of magnets holding it on there but if someone wants to steal something they will. Will probably end up trying to set it up to send alerts if someone tries to touch the roof but that is way down the road.

They could also just steal the entire thing.

[worldly oasis]

[civic spoke]

That's not too bad! It's nice what you're able to make/get for aftermarket units.

[worldly oasis]

Crutchfield is amazing! I even have working steering wheel control

[wispy cloak]

Crutchfield W

[sweet valve]

Ngl that's honestly kinda cool lol

I want one

[burnt solstice]

i remember this video, this guy really knows how to do a harmless prank

[wraith rivet]

Is that the 2770?

[worldly oasis]

What

Oh the radio, yes

[worldly oasis]

It’s pretty nice

[wraith rivet]

I’ve got the same one 😎 it’s great for the most part

sometimes Apple CarPlay audio will randomly skip for me though, in rare cases disconnect altogether

don’t know why but it’s rare so I don’t really care

[worldly oasis]

I haven’t driven it enough to notice anything like that. Do you have steering wheel controls?

It could be that shorting out or smth

[wraith rivet]

I do yeah

oh lol by skip I mean the audio just cuts out for a split second

[worldly oasis]

Ah

[wraith rivet]

not the song changes hahaha

that would be weird

[worldly oasis]

Might just be connection cutting out

We talking wireless or wired?

[wraith rivet]

yeah, don’t know why it happens inconsistently though I haven’t recognized a pattern

both

[worldly oasis]

Strange

[wraith rivet]

yeah

[worldly oasis]

What phone?

[wraith rivet]

how’s your Siri? Mine can’t pick up what I’m saying half the time, idk if the included mic is trash or if I just need to place it better

happened on my iPhone 12 and still on my 15 pro

hasn’t happened as much though

[worldly oasis]

Siri works amazingly every time

[wraith rivet]

oh really?

[worldly oasis]

I have it mounted right behind the thin plastic trim piece

[wraith rivet]

wdym?

[worldly oasis]

Where my head unit is mounted

[wraith rivet]

Ohhh

[worldly oasis]

That’s where I have the mic mounted

[wraith rivet]

interesting

[worldly oasis]

It works fine

[wraith rivet]

I’d think it would be muffled guess not

[worldly oasis]

Even with other people talking

And songs playing

Picks out my voice just fine

Where do you have your mic located?

[wraith rivet]

I have mine mounted in between the steering column and the dash trim

kinda hard to show it in a pic

it’s in that little gap kinda wedged in there

[worldly oasis]

Any room on the side of that head unit?

You could try shoving it right next to it

[wraith rivet]

Nah it’s all closed off

[worldly oasis]

Rip

[wraith rivet]

there is a tiny gap underneath, I needed an adapter because the old head unit was bigger

maybe if I put it there the sound would be good? idk lol but it was a lotta work to get it down there

[worldly oasis]

Eh just leave it and scream when you want Siri

[wraith rivet]

😭😭 im a quiet person as it is

[worldly oasis]

Also wait a second is that a cx5

[wraith rivet]

Nah a 6

[worldly oasis]

Sweet

[wraith rivet]

yeee

I like your bolbo

[worldly oasis]

Ty

That’s where my mic is mounted

[bitter compass]

Who on earth thought its a good idea to have buttons on the level with the gearknob

[worldly oasis]

The Swedes

[civic spoke]

At least it's not a touch screen

[zenith path]

Hello I've got a car repair question if anyone would know

I'm replacing my brake pads and rotors. I have the rotors and pads off, pistons are compressed. I'm ready to start putting things back together but I realized I don't have a specific torque wrench.

I'm wondering if I could just tighten the rotor nuts (like the ones that connect the caliper to the rotor in the back) regularly, then use this to make sure they're to the right spec https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MP1Q3W8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3CTCSJRE9G6AY&th=1

I can get this tomorrow but I can't get the extender bar for it for another week

Not sure if I could just do the whole thing with this too.. idk kind of a tight space

[zenith path]

Now I'm seeing lots of things that are like "I just make sure those bolts are tight"

Then others that make it seem like the torque spec needs to be super specific

Oh and I also can't find what spec they're calling for in the manual. They specify for the wheels bolts but I don't see anything for the caliper ones

[charred depot]

With experience you just get a gauge for how things should be, I personally wouldnt bother but : /

most of the stuff is very rotten and I am not bothering to clean up threads so would just get a false torque reading anyway.

[zenith path]

Oh I didn't realize this

That's good to know.. I saw something else that said those bolts are just unlikely to come off too

thank you!

[wispy cloak]

Is this for the caliper to the bracket or bracket to hub

[fossil elbow]

@zenith path Sounds like you're talking about the caliper bracket mounting bolts (2 on the back of the bracket that secure to the hub).

It is important they are tight, but a torque wrench is not really necessary. I personally use blue loctite (blue, not red) as I've seen them work loose (probably due to inproper torque) but still. Blue will keep it from backing off but doesn't pose a challenge to get loose for the next brake job.

If it's the caliper slide pins that the caliper slides on, those are usually much smaller and don't need to be crazy tight at all.

but, you should take the slide pins oiut and clean them and apply proper lubricant (silicone lubricant, not anything copper or metal based)

[wispy cloak]

I always just use red on the bracket bolts

Because fuck the next guy

(I'm usually the next guy)

[fossil elbow]

red's really not that bad to get loose usually, but I don't want the grief when someone strips it trying to get it loose and comes back to blame me for crossthreading or something

[wispy cloak]

Nature's loctite is the best

[fossil elbow]

this is true lol

[dawn grail]

Worth? I don't wanna be stranded somewhere during winter time

[fossil elbow]

yes - noco makes a great product.

[dawn grail]

I'll buy it then since I barely ever see em on sale

[fossil elbow]

yea they don't go on sale super often. the gb40 is good as long as you dont have a diesel or high compression v8

[dawn grail]

I've got a diesel

But it says it supports up to 3 litres diesel engines

[fossil elbow]

im in the US where diesels are usually truck-only, so if its a smaller diesel it'll probably be ok

[dawn grail]

yeah only a golf mate

[fossil elbow]

yeah that should be just fine then

[dawn grail]

Nice one lad

Pretty sure Noco is one of the most popular brands as well for jump starters

[fossil elbow]

i have a gb150 noco- i've jump started semis with it. need 2 of them if the batteries are flat dead, but still

[dawn grail]

yeah buying it for winter peace of mind tbh don't wanna be stranded plus if other people are can easily lend a hand

good samaritans

[wispy cloak]

If my truck goes dead then I walk home

Or die in the cold

[dawn grail]

I've had lights pop up for low battery sometimes after leaving the car for 2 days idk how or what drains it.. doubt it'll be the dashcam like yeah sure it's running 24/7

[fossil elbow]

back when men were men

[wispy cloak]

[dawn grail]

Ordered

Very good very nice

Jumpe starter + case

Wonder how long the lifespan is of the actual lithium battery tho

Don't wanna be spending £100 just so it dies on me 2 years later

[fossil elbow]

they last a good long time - i've kept mine plugged into my truck for the last 2 years and it still works fine (that is a bad habit but still)

[dawn grail]

oh you constantly keep it plugged in

[fossil elbow]

yeah i shouldnt but i do lol

[dawn grail]

pretty sure it has protections for overcharging but yeah as long as it's 80%+ should keep the lithium battery healthy

[fossil elbow]

yeah definitely has overcharge protection. i also live in Florida where it is baking in 100+ degrees all day

[dawn grail]

Only disappointment is micro USB charging like wtf no type C??

[fossil elbow]

yeah i agree- i hate to buy things with micro. my 150 has prong style option as well so i use that.

that is one thing to be careful of- as im sure you know the micro connectors hate to be put at angles and what not. perfectly fine as long as you dont put stress all the time on it but still

[muted haven]

jdm stans

[hexed kayak]

i have the same car. when you are driving it the gear shift is not even close to any of the buttons

[hexed kayak]

why no fake wood\

bad volvo spec

[hexed kayak]

Found an old vid of me drifting a jeep

[valid marsh]

any opinions on this #cars message

[vocal mural]

Ctek.

[valid marsh]

does mileage only matter for the engine?

cause like, worse case scenario if something had 500k miles you could just replace the engine and be honky dorry

[hexed kayak]

yes but the car is still scrap at that point

a chassis with 500k miles is going to have had so many bumps vibrations and flexes go through the metal that its fatigued as all hell and the car is as stiff as wet cardboard

ive seen high milage cars where you could jack up the rear right wheel 1.5 feet in the air and the other 3 wheels still fully touch the ground with no obvious droop in the suspension because of how bendy they got over the years

[valid marsh]

OHHH i found out what 2D and 3D means now. 2D means two doors and 3D means it has three doors, so the sliding door.

[valid marsh]

not exactly. it depends on the vehicle. from what ive researched.

like a honda civic can go to 700k, and sprinters are reaching the end of their life at 500k

[hexed kayak]

unibody cars is what it happens to which is every car built in the last 20 years aside from the crown vic

ESPECIALLY civics they are made from such thin metal

[valid marsh]

so what all needs to happen aside from an engine change then?

[hexed kayak]

most likely every suspension part on the car will need to be changed and there is a good chance non of the emissions equipment works at all at that milage

all steering parts too

[valid marsh]

so just more parts that can be replaced

[hexed kayak]

and you still end up with a chassis thats beat to hell and back and will crumple in a wreck

[valid marsh]

anything is going to crumple in a wreck lol

body is nothing tho, but some spray paint etc

[hexed kayak]

1000 miles and 500k miles on a civic is the difference betwen hitting a car and the a pillars being bent and you having a broken leg and the engine being in your lap

[valid marsh]

most of these 300-500k vehicles all only have like 1-2 things wrong

[hexed kayak]

boy are you in for a rude awakening

[valid marsh]

im looking at vanlife vehicles. so its not the same lmao and im not a boy

[hexed kayak]

people who own cars that are that reliable dont get rid of them for one or 2 things they get rid of them for 10-15 things

[valid marsh]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/330837976309717/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A3267b46e-5d06-4424-b485-c6def499bf0e

[hexed kayak]

have fun with that. those sprinter vans have a lovely body panel design shaped like a v and it holds in water and rots the back of the body panels

[valid marsh]

bruh what??

this is square lmao

kind of just talking nonsense tbh.

[dull cedar]

that's all you've ever done here

[valid marsh]

no i was talking about him

[dull cedar]

and I was talking about you

[valid marsh]

that makes no sense.

[hexed kayak]

there are these things cars have called seam welds and on that car they are shaped like a v and cause insane ammounts of rust. if that sounds like nonsense to you just buy the van and suffer

[valid marsh]

show me. i dont see it

[hexed kayak]

no shit you wont its part of the structure of the car dumbass

[valid marsh]

nobody else has said that about these T1N sprinters

[hexed kayak]

there is dozens of forums dedicated to nothing but rust repair on those vans

[valid marsh]

im not a dumbass, i literally just havent been taught. so lets chop chop. and show me obviously

like why would i know that. how would i know that. it honestly just sounds like you are making it up

some car elitist type bullshit tbh

[dull cedar]

we don't exist to spoonfeed you, there's plenty of actual learning resources you can find on the internet

[hexed kayak]

thats what you get when you build a van from shitty non galvanized steel

[valid marsh]

whats spoonfeed?

[dull cedar]

🤦‍♂️

[valid marsh]

ive been learning, im saying that its just not true.

[dull cedar]

giving you all the information with you doing absolutely nothing to find it yourself

[hexed kayak]

'

[valid marsh]

no one has talked or mentioned anything about a V shape sprinter issue

[valid marsh]

im pretty sure, this is all i do

i dont have any other hobbies besides doing this research

[valid marsh]

this is literally just a rusty ass sprinter lmao

[dull cedar]

you asking the people of this server for information is not "research"

[valid marsh]

yes it is

that is objectively wrong

[hexed kayak]

its not

[valid marsh]

yes it is

[hexed kayak]

cause we are sitting here googling shit to answer your questions when you could be doing it yourself

[valid marsh]

research is literally anything you can do to get information on it

so discord, reddit, youtube, google, chatgpt, and bing ai. all of it is research.

that is not an opinion

then dont google shit to answer my questions tf

youre supposed to answer based off your own intellect.

if you dont know, then dont answer

simple

[hexed kayak]

spoon-feed verb [T] (PROVIDE INFORMATION)
to give someone so much help or information that that person does not need to try himself or herself:

[valid marsh]

it's okay to not know something 🤷‍♀️

[hexed kayak]

its not okay to make someone learn it for you

[valid marsh]

that's literally just teaching. youre talking about being a teacher

[dull cedar]

and it's not ok to just continuously ask people for help, and then tell them they're the problem when you still don't understand because you have absolutely no grounding in your knowledge and refuse to actually go find out the basics from the wider internet.

[hexed kayak]

never mind the spoon feeding you came here looking for info then you got info and said im lying about it

[valid marsh]

im not making anyone learn it for me.

im literally just having a conversation about cars on discord

and im gonna be doing this, everyday, until i figure out what i gotta do.

[valid marsh]

im just asking for sources,

[hexed kayak]

people will stop answering after a few days and about a week in the mods will mute you for spam

[valid marsh]

im not spamming. this is just me talking on discord well within the limits of discord TOS and the server TOS.

warship already gets you for spam

[hexed kayak]

but guess what. im a welder not a teacher. trying to kill time on discord not find a second career

[valid marsh]

that's why there is an automod

[valid marsh]

okay 🤷‍♀️

[dull cedar]

this is specifically not a help chat.

[valid marsh]

its always the older gen that blames younger people for not knowing, and its like we are begging to learn lmao

[hexed kayak]

if you were begging to learn you would be joining van life groups not a tech discord that happens to have a couple car people in it

[dull cedar]

I am the younger generation, I'm blaming you for being absolutely useless at finding information from actual sources that are there to provide that information, and having no common sense about absolutely anything

[valid marsh]

this server unfortunately doesnt have a cars help forum. and talking about cars here is very subjective on whether you can on cant ask questions in the cars channel lol

[dull cedar]

because this is a tech nerd server

not a car server

[valid marsh]

uhhh well, cars are tech so yeah

[dull cedar]

not this kind of tech

[valid marsh]

and uhh well, this is a cars channel

[hexed kayak]

in the off topic section

[dull cedar]

for talking about cars casually, not helping you build a damn house van

[valid marsh]

it doesnt matter. people have different topics on their servers all the time. that is insane to even think that you cant talk about cars here

[dull cedar]

sorry if we seem a tad frustrated, but your existence here ever since your first PC thread MONTHS ago has been frustrating

[hexed kayak]

we talk about cars not make step by step build guides for goofy vans

[valid marsh]

im talking about buying a used vehicle. nothing about building a vanlife van

[dull cedar]

doesn't seem like you actually want to do any of what you ask about because none of it has happened at all so far, and it has been many months now

[hexed kayak]

they are a true car person in that sense

[valid marsh]

i am finding things. you are projecting. like nothing you said is true

[dull cedar]

every single thing I've said it 100% true I've been watching your threads and messages here the whole time

[valid marsh]

i have only been looking for a van for a couple weeks and thats not a lot of time at all

[hexed kayak]

oh shut up you never even googled anything we said to check if it was true

[valid marsh]

most people ive heard take 3 - 6 months of just searching

[hexed kayak]

if you did you wouldnt be asking for sources on sprinter rust you would have found the 12 forums on the first page of google

[dull cedar]

in the time we've helped a few hundred people build computers, you've built 0

[valid marsh]

12 forums on the first page of google? how old are you?

[valid marsh]

why are we talking about pcs in the cars channel? lets stay on topic please

[dull cedar]

jfc

[valid marsh]

i wasnt asking about sprinter rust.

[dull cedar]

you asked about sprinters, they told you about the major problem with those sprinters

[valid marsh]

whats the major problem

[dull cedar]

rust

jfc

[valid marsh]

everything rusts

wdym

[dull cedar]

do you have a 2 second memory?

[valid marsh]

no, thats just not what he said

he was never like

i dont like sprinters, because they have a major rust issue.

[dull cedar]

literally right here

they explained the exact issue

[hexed kayak]

posts from
r/sprinters: how to deal with rust
sprinter source: how to fix sprinter rust
campervanlifestyle: why do sprintervans rust
piston head: rusty sprinters
overlanding sophia: sprinter rust prevention and sound deadening
sports mobile forum: mb sprinter vans and rust
turning wrenches: best way to remove rust from your sprinter van
class B forums : dealing with rust on a 2004 sprinter
the vanimals: how to deal with rust on your sprinter van

all these things are what pop up when you search "sprinter van rust"

[valid marsh]

i thought he was talking about something else not sprinters

[dull cedar]

🤦‍♂️

[valid marsh]

literally all vehicles rust afaik

when i see, "why do sprintervans rust" all i hear is someone who doesnt know anything about cars

[hexed kayak]

YOU are that person

[valid marsh]

i mean yeah idk much about cars

but im trying to learn

but by the end i will

ive heard nothing but good things about 1st gen sprinters. and that they are actually better than 2nd and 3rd gen sprinters

so much so that i think im going to get one instead of a ford econoline box truck

[hexed kayak]

see i have a volvo and when you google volvo rust none of the first results are froums talking abouit repair

which makes sense since my car has 318k and no rust

[valid marsh]

is that what you are supposed to do?

[hexed kayak]

lol dont buy one unless it doesnt have a single spec of rust on it or you are prepared to spend 6000$ repairing all the rust so you dont end up with a leaking house

[valid marsh]

from what ive been taught on this forum already, is that rust can be dealt with. and you can remove most of it as long as it is not scale rust or penetrating rust

[hexed kayak]

literally any ammount of rust can be dealt with. you just better be rich if its bad

[valid marsh]

wait so you can spend $6000 to remove all the rust at a mechanic??

[civic spoke]

It all depends.

[dull cedar]

the only time rust can't be repaired is when the vehicle is just gone

but any structural rust (which the sprinter has a problem with, hence the mention of it at all) will be stupidly expensive to fix, and not worth fixing in 99.999% of cases

[hexed kayak]

even then people still do it. people will go to ferrari with a chunk of rusty metal that has a vin plate attached to it and like 4m$ later there is a car

[valid marsh]

wait so scale and pentrating rust can be fixed too? do they like, fill it in? how does that job compare with surface rust job?
ik surface rust jobs are basically a steel brush and sanding it down and spraying it and then like basically putting some kind of rust seal thing on it and then spray painting it for aesthetics if you want, but i think the paint protects it more too.

[civic spoke]

Issues you get when you have excessive rust is that you start to replace parts, panels, and need to reinforce stuff.

Not to mention if you have structural rust. Then it's a big fat

[hexed kayak]

i currently own a car with a rusted structure

[dull cedar]

they weld in a new panel. which may be cut from another vehicle, bought if available, or entirely made by hand

[civic spoke]

Weight reduction.

[hexed kayak]

Big turd

Volvo reflection cameo

[civic spoke]

Now that's not very shocking at all!

Because you have no shock absorbers at all.

[hexed kayak]

I sold them

If you sit down too hard in that car there is a good chance you will land on the gravel under the car

[valid marsh]

idk, it seems kind of worth it tbh. these T1N sprinter vans are p cheap and some of them dont have much rust on the frame. some have bad rust, but some dont.

and the brand new sprinters transits or promasters are all like 50-60k

i could easily, just buy a $2800 sprinter and then fix it up it seems.

[dull cedar]

you would spend more than the vehicle costs replacing essentially the entire underside of the van

[valid marsh]

so far it seems like, there is no reason to not do that

[hexed kayak]

If you spend 6000 fixing a 2500$ van you have a 2800$ van. Dont fix rust unless you want to kiss the money goodbye and never see it again

[valid marsh]

yeah but its hard to even just get these vehicles. im struggling to find options in my area

[hexed kayak]

Because they have all rusted their way into a scrapyard

[valid marsh]

its like people will do anything to get one of these things now

[civic spoke]

Guess why they are as pricey as they are.

[valid marsh]

tbh, what i think and a lot of others think too, is that the demand is so high for them now.

[dull cedar]

it's not that demand is that high, it's that the supply is low.

[hexed kayak]

Its the same with 6th gen monte carlos. impossible to find because they rusted the day they came off the lot and im lucky to have one of the last few that is rust free

[valid marsh]

i was going to just do ford econoline box truck with a peak, but the ones with peaks are expensive and hard to find.

[civic spoke]

The best option here is honestly to just do the Toyota Prius. At least if you just want a form of transport that's cheap to operate.

[valid marsh]

i love this option, cause a brand new one is only like 20k right so thats so cheap. but idk if i could live in a space that small, but i hear the mpg can get up to high 50s

[hexed kayak]

Supply is low and demand is high. People be poor these days

[valid marsh]

i think people have more money than they ever have, but everything just costs so much more now so now they are technically poor.

[hexed kayak]

People are poorer then they ever have been lol

[valid marsh]

yeah, but have more money than ever before

not me tho, this is the absolute richest i have ever been in my life

i had a couple pre inflation things i got lucky on

my luck is running out with time tho

[hexed kayak]

We actually have less money than ever cause of inflation

Having 100$ now isnt the same as 100$ 5 years ago if now it’s technically only worth 80$

[valid marsh]

yeah, but its more money, just less value. so like people probably have a couple thousand to their name which is probably more than before, but that couple thousand is basically nothing now compared to what it was back then.

[hexed kayak]

That means people have less money than before

Like i said

[valid marsh]

$3000 was a lot of money before covid

not really anymore.

[hexed kayak]

Just proving my point now

[valid marsh]

still a good chunk tho.

well, its technically more money. which is worse

but thats how inflation is

[civic spoke]

I believe that vehicles might go down in price in a year or so. Especially in USA.

[valid marsh]

OH?

why

[civic spoke]

Mainly because we have lots of supply, less demand. Cars cost too much, financing costs too much.

[valid marsh]

that's true

[civic spoke]

Banks would give out super low rate loans for cars a few years ago, right around the start of Covid. Everyone and their mother could get a loan, as long as they had a pulse.

[valid marsh]

D. buy a used box truck >> finance a brand new ford transit.
F. buy a used T1N Sprinter >> finance a brand new ford transit
J. buy a used box truck >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
L. buy a used T1N Sprinter >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
S. buy a SUV >> finance a brand new ford transit.
T. buy a SUV >> finance a brand new dodge ram promaster
U. finance a like-new used ford transit
V. finance a like-new used dodge ram promaster
W. finance a like-new used sprinter
X. finance a like-new used toyota prius

i have narrowed down the list further

i just feel like a SUV and toyota prius are still going to be expensive and not really give me what i want that i could get which is a walkable space.

itd be nice if i started life with one tho, i would have just made it work and roughed it out with one of those if i had one

i heard that you can put cars inside storage units tho

so maybe one day ill get a toyota prius as a secondary vehicle and drive that to work or to places and then back to my vanlife vehicle and just park next to it.

or maybe i should do a motorcycle

cause then i could put the motorcycle inside the box truck

so ig now the question is how does econoline compare with t1n sprinters

and if i can decide if i should go promaster or transit that would help too

[civic spoke]

I would really just go with whatever you can find at a reasonable price, that's in reasonable condition. And build around that.
Instead of looking at a specific platform.

[worldly oasis]

You blind?

[hexed kayak]

Your missing about 80% of it

[worldly oasis]

Mine is lower spec

[hexed kayak]

mine is lower spec than yours. it doesnt have parking sensors

doesnt even have power seats

[valid marsh]

so volvo is a make it looks like

[hexed kayak]

my god

you dont even know what volvo is and had the gall to tallk about people not knowing shit about cars earlier

[valid marsh]

im sorry i dont have a dad

[hexed kayak]

neither did i

[valid marsh]

but you are 38

[hexed kayak]

im 25

[valid marsh]

lmao

thats cap

ive never really heard of volvo

[civic spoke]

Part of me wants to think that you're joking, Dream.
Never heard of Golf, Volvo. And so much more.

[valid marsh]

wait did we talk about golf

cause if so i totally forgot

[civic spoke]

A few days back I mentioned the VW Golf.

[valid marsh]

ik what golf is. i hope i didnt lie about not know what golf is

OHH yeah

yeah i had never heard about the VW golf

only the transporter and crafter

[hexed kayak]

"when i see, "why do sprintervans rust" all i hear is someone who doesnt know anything about cars" ~dream 40 mins ago

also dream : whats a volvo?

[civic spoke]

I Roll.

[valid marsh]

hahaha very funny. anyway

[civic spoke]

If you're serious about building a camper van. Then as I mentioned a little ways before.
Just get your hands on whatever you can that's in decent enough condition at a decent enough price.

No need to think about specific cars or models.

If it fits. It ships.

[valid marsh]

thats true but to an extent.

[civic spoke]

Step 1 is building up the funds to afford it to begin with.

[valid marsh]

cause ambulances werent working for me

i met a guy and looked at his ambulance and it was a nightmare, i think

the floor of the cab was falling down

[hexed kayak]

step 2 is saving up 2x what you thought you need so you get minimal interuptions during the build

[civic spoke]

Honestly true.

[valid marsh]

so i walked away, but it had 24k miles 1988

[dull cedar]

3x*

[civic spoke]

Not to mention the tools, and time to work it.

[hexed kayak]

that was a bonehead move

[valid marsh]

well tbh, im actually planning on roughing it out for the conversion part so that's not being taken much into consideration

[hexed kayak]

you can buy cabs out of junkyards for not much money

[valid marsh]

there are people on youtube who do no build vanbuilds where you just get stuff from walmart which is where i work so its dirt cheap.

[valid marsh]

oh really?

i can still talk to that guy

he's obsessed

[hexed kayak]

you dont even need to go to a junkyard

just buy 2 vans

one with a good cab and bad everything else

[valid marsh]

i noticed later that i could buy a new ambulance box for $1000

[civic spoke]

One way to deal with it, is getting your hands on a frame. And build something custom. But that requires additional work.

[valid marsh]

well not new, but good condition ones

[civic spoke]

And likely actual space to build it. And store it.

[hexed kayak]

if you have the funds for new cars you can just by a commarcial spec chevy express

they come with a cab and bare frame

[valid marsh]

im kind of a rude person tbh. so the way i would do it is just build it anywhere i want until im asked to leave. then i take a break for the day and then work on it somewhere else until im asked to leave again

[hexed kayak]

its what they would use to make that ambulance in the first place

[valid marsh]

so no point in having a backyard or something. and i doubt i will be asked to leave

[hexed kayak]

thats not gonna work

[valid marsh]

i know my area pretty well.

[civic spoke]

Or a normal camper.

[valid marsh]

its also not illegal. just frowned upon for some reason lmao

[hexed kayak]

that doesnt matter cause the second you hit a bolt that is rusted on or you accidentally snap some fastener now your van is staying where you parked it till you can uber to a parts store

[civic spoke]

Yeah. This actually will not work.
Would you just build it out on the sidewalk?

[hexed kayak]

and thats not uncommon on old cars

ive had jobs where EVERY bolt has snapped on me

[valid marsh]

i can uber. or just use my cars too

[hexed kayak]

and when you cant remove your van from where you are being kicked out of

[wheat hatch]

@civic spoke How do you think this will go?

[valid marsh]

probably a park or beach. ive seen others do it

[wheat hatch]

Translation: Tesla is suing the Swedish state

[valid marsh]

or maybe just hide in the back of my apartment complex parking lot

[civic spoke]

This is essentially why I don't really work on my own cars. Sadly.
Because I have no place to park it over the weekend while I work on it.

[hexed kayak]

the gov wont react well to that