cars

[fathom socket]

Ez

[misty mantle]

What the actual fuck

[fathom socket]

Maybe don’t build a 4500lb car 😡

[misty imp]

also more based, is this nugget

[misty mantle]

What

the

fuck

is

that

[fathom socket]

Oh
Oh yeah
I want that

[hollow comet]

nissan micra with the energizer bunny

[misty imp]

subaru drive train, evo vi engine

[fathom socket]

So a GR yaris

[misty imp]

same with evo vi gearbox

and brembo brakes

the owner is actually chill as fuck

(the owner now that is)

they're selling it for about 7000 gbp

[hollow comet]

definition of a "pocket rocket"

[misty imp]

450bhp on max tune btw

on a <1 ton chassis

[fathom socket]

7000gbp
You might find a 05 civic with a hole in the roof for that price these days

[misty imp]

pretty sure someone replaced the ECU on that nugget a while back

[stoic ledge]

You're thinking of the C-Max, and no those are different from the Galaxy by a lot

C-Max is Focus platform yes, Galaxy was (together with the S-Max) on the Mondeo/Fusion platform (and also the Ford Edge iirc)

[misty imp]

is there even a reason to buy ford these days>?

in my eyes it's just basically a mismash of shitty outdated design, stolen design and shit components

[hollow comet]

not really a reason to buy any new cars in the US these days with dealer markups on anything remotely interesting

[misty imp]

Swear they only had the barra as a good engine

and even the barra was a shit engine relatively

[fathom socket]

Ah ok

[misty mantle]

Wasn't the Barra Aussie-only in terms of cars ford used it in?

[stoic ledge]

Ford also had an even smaller van than the C-Max, the B-Max (without a B pillar, or rather is was movable), based on the Fiesta

Of the C-Max they had 2 versions, regular (like the US version) and Grand, which was longer with sliding doors and optional 7 seats

[fathom socket]

Bruh it’s insane.
There’s markups on used cars lmao

[misty imp]

think so, the upgrades they did to it made it semi reliable

[fathom socket]

10k markup on a civic with a spicy engine piss off

[stoic ledge]

Not now the Fiesta is discontinued

[misty imp]

iirc they're based on a dogshit engine as well

[misty imp]

fiestas was shit to begin with

never was a good car

never will be a good car

[stoic ledge]

Their chassis is great

[hollow comet]

the ford 300 straight 6 was a great engine that made 0 power

[fathom socket]

The only car they sell is the mustang now

[misty imp]

I'd rather drive a tsport yaris

[fathom socket]

Plus the mach e but lol

[fathom socket]

We don’t have the yaris

[misty imp]

and even that could probably outrun a base model ST

sounds cap but even a fucking micra could lose an ST driver

in corners

[fathom socket]

I just want the yaris back man
They’re so expensive used now

[misty imp]

afaik, base model fiesta st came with 1.0 turbo 4 banger

[fathom socket]

Ew

[stoic ledge]

Wot no? Last gen ST came with a 1.5 Turbo 3-cyl, 200hp

[hollow comet]

if the GM 3.6 v6 wasn't such a dumpster fire in terms of reliability the v6 camaros would be cool. 300+ hp rwd coupe for less than 30k

[misty imp]

base model for st comes at 1.1l

wait mb

that's the base base model

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's base for the Fiesta, not ST. ST has just 1 engine

[misty imp]

got mixed up with ST line

which is a psuedo ST but boy racers still wants to pretend comes close to ST

[stoic ledge]

1.1 in 70-85hp
1.0 EcoBoost in 95-125hp
1.5 EcoBoost in 200hp

ST Line is a trim yeah

Only on the EcoBoost I think

Not on the 1.1

[misty imp]

MB then

tbf I have a bias against them

that and the polos

[stoic ledge]

laughs in superior Corsa

[misty imp]

lmao no

that's even worse

[misty imp]

shits like a mini schoolbus the amount of kids that goes in them

[viscid atlas]

I don't understand how people drive 70hp~ cars nowadays

[stoic ledge]

Same

That's why I have 83

[viscid atlas]

people drive too fast in the right lane

over where I am

you'd miss so many exits

[misty imp]

depends on the driver tbh

I know people who still rocks a 64 bhp

[viscid atlas]

bruh

[misty imp]

but it's dogshit slow

most <70 bhp cars are cheapest of the cheap

[stoic ledge]

I can perfectly merge and go along with traffic doing 80mph with my 83hp

[misty imp]

it also depends on the weight of you as a driver

and the car

[stoic ledge]

It just requires more than 2 brain cells as you need to anticipate on stuff

[misty imp]

ricers taking panels out for "weight" reduction

[fathom socket]

Y’all have cars under 140hp?

[misty imp]

bro go to the gym first goddamn

[stoic ledge]

If you're the driver that's constantly braking and accelerating, it's not for you

If you can keep momentum going, it's perfectly fine

[misty imp]

^ this good take

even for a corsa driver

[fathom socket]

Holy shit yes
Do people not know about cruise control

[stoic ledge]

No car without our family has more than 140hp

[misty imp]

tbh pointless in the UK

[stoic ledge]

Atleast according to the Factory spec

[fathom socket]

Lmao

[misty imp]

also it's my car's 3rd year anniversary with me in a few days

she's been through hell and back

she needs a shit of things doing

[fathom socket]

Iirc the mirage is the only car for sale in the US with less than 130hp

[stoic ledge]

Pure power

[misty imp]

new bearings, new cv boot, new front shocks, tracking, belt, sparkies, and more

[fathom socket]

Nice hell yeah

[misty imp]

the passion wagon

[fathom socket]

AW HELL YEAH

[misty imp]

we doing 78 bhp babyyy

[stoic ledge]

Not pink and no C+C

[stoic ledge]

I can create a list but it's too long

[misty imp]

bruh don't then bc that's actually one of my favorites

next to the nissan figaro

right outside a salon too

[stoic ledge]

That's it

[misty imp]

wait one sec

I think I have a video of my car actually doing like a pull

it's hilarious as fuck

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/Jo-CT-DvO6M

I made this one a long time ago, launch was bad

And shifting at 6500rpm is slower than like shifting at 4000rpm

[misty imp]

AGAIN

I want to stress, this is done in somewhere legal

[stoic ledge]

Is that an airbag light? 🤔

[misty imp]

yes

I'm not afraid to meet god

if I wrap my car into a pole

god's will at that point

[stoic ledge]

Kek ok

[misty imp]

disconnect your airbag coward

you wont

[stoic ledge]

Ofcourse not

Mine is even equipped with the 5-star NCAP package ✨

[misty mantle]

Don't need to. My truck didnt have them from the factory. We die like men

[misty imp]

up this

god I wish i took a photo of me sliding on ice

that shit was fun

[charred depot]

ejecto seato's or guff

[misty imp]

again

this is completely done in legal circumstances

[misty mantle]

Those are just speed holes

[misty imp]

100%

[stoic ledge]

Weight reduction bro

[misty imp]

lighter than carbon fiber

100%

also I bought a 180/55/16 tyres

instead of 185/55/16

my top speed is now shit

but that accelaration is

just right

[brittle totem]

Your airbag lights almost blinks nearly as fast the TC control light in the Seat leon loaner we had this winter with shitty all season tires maybe it was summer tires it almost felt like it😅

[charred depot]

they seem fine

[misty imp]

my TC saved my ass so many fucking time

I swear

[charred depot]

Never had it

[misty imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OnKQcvIpic

wet doesn't count

[misty mantle]

Ive got the bare minimum, aka rear antilock

[charred depot]

itll do it in the dry aswell just not for 100 yards

[misty imp]

get out in a gravel field

in 2 -3 business days?

[brittle totem]

Nah with proper winter tires traction would barely be any issue at that place and keep in mind that I just used like 15% throttle in that clip.

In a 110hp car😅

[sacred yoke]

hello ladies, i went to monaco with the 60 hp machine

[fathom socket]

Racer boy top 10 cars

[misty imp]

citroen ami

[charred depot]

It is all season tyres they seem to be gripping pretty good

[sacred yoke]

nah, not ami, actually good

[misty imp]

https://youtube.com/shorts/fdA3iiX-KXc

[fathom socket]

That car is pretty cool in a unexpected way

[brittle totem]

Its fine Lando norris car cant have much more then 25hp😏 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJsa5xdy/

[sacred yoke]

is the jolly mid engined

[sacred yoke]

nah, superminis can be made good, the ami si just dumb when a few decades ago we had much more practical tiny cars

like the aforementioned c2

[misty imp]

people who actually buys citroen I've got a question

Why?

[brittle totem]

Actually it has 17hp 🏎️

[sacred yoke]

old citroens were good

this is strong adult content

[misty imp]

I just want renault and nissan to break up

[sacred yoke]

can we bring back superminis

[misty imp]

no

it deserves to diue

[sacred yoke]

wait whyd id it not embed

[sacred yoke]

wym

[misty imp]

loud, slow ass cars are cringe af

looking at you fiesta owners with an exhaust that sounds like wet farts

[late sand]

But renault is what is keeping them on Life support..

[sacred yoke]

It's not annoying loud, just mildly loud, legally Loud

[misty imp]

pretty sure renault was the reason why this never got released

[misty imp]

this is the most eastern european shit I've ever seen

[sacred yoke]

good thing i'm western european lol

[misty imp]

if that's french even worse

[late sand]

Tell me about it

[sacred yoke]

it's spain

the car is actually relativley fast for its power, thanks to its greaat chassis, but that's it lol

[fathom socket]

Man has race music in the smoothest ride possible

[misty imp]

I JUST WANT MY IDX MAN

[sacred yoke]

it's stabilized and looks way slower than irl tbh

[misty imp]

its perfection

[sacred yoke]

for some reason my country bans exhaust electronic bypass valves, i reckon if those were legal it would be good

[sacred yoke]

no steering wheel airbag
how can a car be so based?

[misty imp]

I drive with no air bags

see videos I sent earlier lmfao

instead we got this pos

[misty mantle]

I HAVE no airbags

[sacred yoke]

oh i know, i only got a car with airbags last summer

[misty imp]

what could've been

[late sand]

What about this Eva?

[misty imp]

side exhaust, <1ton chassis, 5 speed manual, muscle look with japanese reliability, cr16 engines

[misty imp]

ooo idk what to feel about this

[sacred yoke]

i can one up you, what do you thinks this is

[misty imp]

it looks like a catfish that's about to see a dentist

[late sand]

Bumblebee car

[sacred yoke]

mr2 spyder but hybrid :P

[late sand]

I couldn't find a better way to describe it

[sacred yoke]

although i'll never buy a hybrid in my life

[late sand]

Even a manual?

[misty imp]

nissan concept 2020 vision GT

[late sand]

I have one in GT6

[misty imp]

what nissan could've been without the french...

[sacred yoke]

my problem is not with manual or automatic, it's with hybrid's adding complexity

[misty imp]

i'd probably go for hybrids before fully comitting to electric tbh

battery tech just isn't that great for long term use imo

[sacred yoke]

adrian newey said when working on the valkyrie that road cars are becoming too complex and too heavy, and I agree, while having more efficient engines is good what's the point if cars are heavier than ever and worst at aero

[late sand]

Only fun hybrid I ever experienced is the Toyota Yaris Cross, it's Swift, zappy, feels like a frog to drive (in a good way) and always SMACKED a smile on my face :)

[sacred yoke]

i'll try to keep ICE for as long as i can

[late sand]

I don't understand..

[misty imp]

what's that toyota car that's hybrid suv

[late sand]

Like when it comes to working on them yourself

[sacred yoke]

although old car bans are getting more and more strict where i live, my celica for example is already banned

[misty imp]

chr?

[late sand]

Barely a cross over

[misty imp]

I love those cars, they're decently fast too

[late sand]

Yes CH-R

The larger is the Rav-4

[sacred yoke]

yeah, more or less, i appreciate complexity when its justified, i feel like mild hybridization on a street car is not for me

[misty imp]

They gapped the fuck out of my micra when I'm already going like 80 uphill

and I can't even be mad

[late sand]

I get that

[sacred yoke]

can barely even get a <1ton car with an ICE, let alone a hybrid or EV one

[misty imp]

I mean tbf, just look at any modern ICE, they're just as complex

[sacred yoke]

yeah, that's why I will drive old as long as bans don't hit them

i think not even the abarth 500 is <1t now

[misty imp]

Uk did a scheme where they scrap old cars,

[late sand]

The new 2.5 plug in Hybrid rav4's get great fuel economy results, can be driven for a while purely on electricity and have 306 horse..

[misty imp]

that was really bad ngl

[sacred yoke]

oh here they just outright ban them

you can barely drive them anywhere

[misty imp]

where do you live?

where I live, there's no MOT but higher taxes by 10%

[sacred yoke]

imagine stuff like the london low emissions zone but for every town with >20k inhabitants and without an alternative to pay

[late sand]

What's an ICE?

[sacred yoke]

I live in spain

catalonia to be precise

[late sand]

It only reminds me of the German DB trains

[misty imp]

I too live in spain, but without the a

[sacred yoke]

internal combustion engine

[late sand]

Aaa

[sacred yoke]

basically any car older than the year 2000 is banned from any catalonia town with >20k people from 2025 iirc

my town is one of the few trying to resist the ban

the ban will later be expanded to anything pre-2007

for diesels it will be anything pre-2014

[misty imp]

that's pretty fucked up

[late sand]

The climate takes care of ours :(

[sacred yoke]

i know, specially since while going to barcelona by train is possible, any nearby city needs a car or you get a long ass commute

and its not like the bans are restricted to city centers, the barcelona ban even covers smaller towns that are close to barcelona lol

it's wild, they even added a co2 tax for anyone that has a car and is registered in catalonia, even if they live somewhere else and never bring the car over

[late sand]

Does it apply to every car pre that year or also on emission results?

[sacred yoke]

no, the cutoff is year based

[late sand]

Jesus

[misty imp]

i miss the tax bracket cut off by a 2 cc...

I could've been paying 120 per year instead of 200

[sacred yoke]

so something like the renault supercinco which did 128 g of co2 per km is banned, even though most cars can't even touch its emissions levels

i'm getting disability this year so i won't pay road tax anymore, but it's fucked up

i pay 148€ for the mr2 lol

• 50 € of co2 tax

[late sand]

So a 1.5 DCI Clio IV from the first production years is out of question

[sacred yoke]

when did that come out?

[late sand]

2011 to 2012

[sacred yoke]

that will be fine

until they decided to ban all non-hybrids

[late sand]

But diesel

[sacred yoke]

ah diesel then yeah

that will be hit

[late sand]

Damn

Let me check the Carbon emissions

[sacred yoke]

unless the engine is euro 6

if it's euro 6 its fine too

fun fact, my car's engine (the mr2) is euro5 capable but not considered euro5 because it didn't exist when it came out

the lotus elise s used it way into the the euro5 years lol

[late sand]

Clever

Yeah Euro6 defo

[sacred yoke]

the only way i could make my car euro 5 is by grabbing a lotus elise engine and putting it into mine lol

even though its the exact same engine

[late sand]

It's 82g per Kilometer

[sacred yoke]

without any modifications

[sacred yoke]

damn i knew modern deisels had low co2 emissions but that's wild

[late sand]

Would it be allowed even?

[sacred yoke]

if it's euro 6 yes

[late sand]

Oh i meant the engine swap

[sacred yoke]

oh yeah, didn't mention the funniest part, you can't modify your cars to lower their emissions.. but government fleet vehicles are allowed to do so, wild

[sacred yoke]

yeah, i'd just have to pay a lot of money for the engine to be certified by an engineer as being usable in my vehicle

even though it's the exact same engine

but since its not the same exact part number it will need an engineer to say its ok

we truly live in a police state

[late sand]

Well the government decided that they can bend the rules worse than a chinese cars crumble zone

[late sand]

Jesus

That's harsh

[sacred yoke]

it used to be worse

back before kit cars got banned

there was a single place where cars could be "homologated"

and guess what, it was INTA, which is literally the spanish branch of the european space agency lol

[late sand]

What do they have to do with cars lmao

[sacred yoke]

they have engineers

idk

i know that all caterhams that got built here had to go through them

[late sand]

In Denmark cars are taxed weirdly

[sacred yoke]

no new kit cars though since they got banned eventually

[late sand]

Damn..

[sacred yoke]

because our government hates fun

unless you are rich

and register yourself as a manufacturer

and get prototype plates

[late sand]

Of course if you're rich

[sacred yoke]

with that you can strap a plastic lawnchair to the car and it's legal

[late sand]

Lmaosbhdhd

[sacred yoke]

that's how my friend sometimes drives his 2jz s14 to events on its own power when the truck isn't available

or the RWD golf

[late sand]

Denmark allows for prototypes to be driven around from outside countries

[sacred yoke]

lmao

[late sand]

And we have just road tax

Everything is just crumbled into one

[sacred yoke]

oh yeah this year they banned rally cars from being street legal

[late sand]

Bro

[sacred yoke]

they technically are street legal, but you need to wear a firesuit, a helmet and tell the police beforehand what route you will follow

[late sand]

That's stupid.

[sacred yoke]

for taxes here there's a funny part of our constitution that you cannot be taxed twice for the same thing

so the road tax was renamed to "tax for vehicles with mechanic traction"

technically the gasoline taxes are the road taxes

[late sand]

Huh..

Oh yeah about tax

It's weird

A Clio 4 75 horse 1.5 dci

(Diesel)

Will be taxed at 1480 krowns

For now

[sacred yoke]

how much is that in euros

[late sand]

About 200

[sacred yoke]

jesus

i pay less for the mr2

[late sand]

Or rather 180

Diesels are high

In tax

But

No paying for tolls

Roads are smooth

[sacred yoke]

this reminds me australia's funny car laws, they are similarly strict about car mods (But they care more down there) and people who just got their license can't drive turbo cars lol

[late sand]

Fuel is High quality

[sacred yoke]

that's nice

dont' even get me started on highways here

[late sand]

But

[sacred yoke]

the plan they have is for every road to have cameras to automatically tax you for every km you drive

[late sand]

A peugeot 208 1.6 BlueHDI

[sacred yoke]

not just highways, all roads

[late sand]

100 horse 260 newton's

All combined tax is around 48 euros

[sacred yoke]

🤔

[late sand]

Though

Tax on new cars?

80% of their value.

[sacred yoke]

wtf

[late sand]

Yeah

[sacred yoke]

that's argentina level of taxing

[late sand]

And people earn enough to not care

I am not sure what it would cost if you for an example

Bought a car in Germany since its cheaper

And registered it here

[sacred yoke]

they do that here with some cars that don't exist

like the cappucino

[late sand]

Ouuuu

[sacred yoke]

or the ae86 trueno, which was released in portugal but not in spain

[late sand]

Huh

How are they taxed?

[sacred yoke]

tfw we'll never see this again

[sacred yoke]

exactly like other cars

[late sand]

Huh

[sacred yoke]

since they have european-level certifications

[late sand]

A alright...

[late sand]

Why do all cars look so clean

[lucid orbit]

Hi

What do I do if someone cut their muffler

And I'm trying to sleep

[sacred yoke]

shoot them

[lucid orbit]

I'm Canadian

It not legal

[sacred yoke]

make a gun and use it to shoot them

[lucid orbit]

Dodge owner

[late sand]

Child abuse since the guy probably never grew out of pre puberty

[lucid orbit]

With v8

[late sand]

Likely illegal

[lucid orbit]

Deisal

[late sand]

Just report no?

[sacred yoke]

I can't say because I managed to sleep in the middle of a track with group C v10s in the background

[lucid orbit]

At night everyday

[sacred yoke]

so noise apparently doesn't do anything to me

[lucid orbit]

Dam

[late sand]

Didn't know Dodge made V8 diesels

[sacred yoke]

ok hear me out, i want this road car

[lucid orbit]

That looks like plastic

[late sand]

But no a complaint to the city council should be enough

[sacred yoke]

first ever road car to hit 400 km/h lol

it's a road legal cousin of the 962

[lucid orbit]

So light like plastic

So it is plastic

[fathom socket]

Itd probably take up less space than a dodge ram lol

[lucid orbit]

Good to know

[sacred yoke]

it's light as fuck yes, under 900 kg iirc

[late sand]

787b?

[misty mantle]

They don't. They use Cummins inline-6 diesels

[sacred yoke]

i think it's a lot of carbon fiber and fiberglass

[sacred yoke]

962, same era

but fast

[lucid orbit]

Personally I like toyota

[late sand]

Aah

[lucid orbit]

Practically bullet proof

My favorite is the Lexus lfa

[late sand]

It was since One Slap man said it was Dodge V8 Diesel

[sacred yoke]

there is one le mans road legal toyota, they were working on reviving it a few months ago but they threw out the laptop used to program the ECU and it los its data

[misty imp]

seeing marquess

[late sand]

Though I could have taken it the wrong way

[hollow comet]

I just find it funny that all the major diesels are very easily euphemisms

[misty imp]

reaction to a rimac

is just hilarious

[lucid orbit]

Dam

[sacred yoke]

look mom i'm practical

(more practical than my mr2)

[late sand]

Toyota

[misty imp]

[lucid orbit]

I like the trunk

[sacred yoke]

what trunk

[lucid orbit]

This trunk

[sacred yoke]

it's right hand drive but the shifter is on the right hand side, so it's a very weird setup

[misty mantle]

Oldsmobile had a V8 diesel back in the 80s

[late sand]

High torque no horsepower makes me sick

[misty imp]

[late sand]

Like physically

[lucid orbit]

Opinion on lexis

[sacred yoke]

lexus good

[lucid orbit]

Lexus*

[late sand]

Ah alright

[misty imp]

lexus is decent, douche drivers tho

[sacred yoke]

yeah but is it road legal

[lucid orbit]

Better Toyota in my opinion

[fathom socket]

Not your opinion, fact

[late sand]

Only when new sports cars

[lucid orbit]

U never seen Mercedes drivers on high way

[late sand]

Or Takeover drives

[misty imp]

but my god, that LFA

[sacred yoke]

average japanese road car

[misty imp]

is perfection

[lucid orbit]

It's mid

[stiff burrow]

@wet summit @hexed kayak thoroughly seasoned with tire marks from this weekend 😂😂

[lucid orbit]

Supraaaaaaa

[sacred yoke]

it's actually apparently very easy to drive on public roads, it's a very soft and noble car the 962

[lucid orbit]

Hehhehehhe

[sacred yoke]

the celica gt4 is the better japanese 90s car though

[lucid orbit]

Change my mind the new supra is mid

[fathom socket]

He should change the title though

[sacred yoke]

new supra is mid, yaris is pog

[fathom socket]

rimac isnt the fastest accelerating car

[lucid orbit]

The new supra is legit a bmw

[sacred yoke]

can't believe the forums roasted linus sebastian for liking the corolla

[fathom socket]

Who cares

[lucid orbit]

It's good

[fathom socket]

is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[lucid orbit]

Yes

[misty imp]

i dont care, id probably get hate for this

[sacred yoke]

the new supra is cool

[fathom socket]

B58 is a great engine, toyota did the suspension tuning etc

[lucid orbit]

Bmw ass reliability

[fathom socket]

its a good car

[misty imp]

but the bmw x toyota supras aren't actually that bad as people make it out to be

[fathom socket]

What an original and thoughtful take

[fathom socket]

Its a b58, and its a sports car. Who gives a fuck

[sacred yoke]

the supras also get the better binned engines

[lucid orbit]

Me

[fathom socket]

B58's arent unreliable

[fathom socket]

Are you buying a supra?

[sacred yoke]

they make more power than stated most of the time

[fathom socket]

Then don’t buy one ez

[fathom socket]

No manual yellow so hell no

[misty imp]

2jz is overrated as fuck

[lucid orbit]

If I spend 50000 on a car it better be bullet proof

[fathom socket]

Literally

[misty imp]

another unpopular opinion

[fathom socket]

LMFAO

[fathom socket]

Thats not how the world works

[sacred yoke]

bros.. this one is in the UK

[fathom socket]

no new car is bulletproof

unless its in the european market

[lucid orbit]

For me it's overpriced

[fathom socket]

50,000 is the average price of a new car sold now

[fathom socket]

so dont buy one

have you seen the prices of mk4 supras?

[lucid orbit]

Ik but why

Chea

[fathom socket]

Why what

[lucid orbit]

P

[sacred yoke]

it's funny how small group c cars were

the kei car-based 962 is only 85% size of the original or something like that

there's also two road legal units of the 917

[misty imp]

also semi unpopular but also popular opinion, sr20 is pretty fucking gooood

[lucid orbit]

Supra?

[fathom socket]

No

[sacred yoke]

wym

it's a porsche 962

for some reason they made road legal versions

(the reason being that this was a GT1 car)

[fathom socket]

Theyre not bad, I like the bigger ones though. The Altima SR's. Think its like 3.2 liter V6 or something

theyre kinda cool

[misty imp]

also underrated are the cr16de

[fathom socket]

might be an I6

[sacred yoke]

there are two types of road legal 962s, the schuppan's and the koenig, the schuppans are nicer because they fit the le mans-style bodykit

[fathom socket]

It’s a V6

Under rated is Volvo 5 cylinders

[misty imp]

but i'd probably stick with a cr12de as the 1.6 bored engine blocks aren't brilliant

[fathom socket]

still no love for the I5's :(

[sacred yoke]

i have a kind of strange liking for race cars in places they don't belong

[fathom socket]

lol bruyh

I could never daily a race car

who tf

imagine the insurance

[misty imp]

nah fuck that

[sacred yoke]

the owner of the japanese 962 dailys it apparently

[fathom socket]

and the road noise

[misty imp]

I'd daily an SUV

[sacred yoke]

nah, the 962 is actually quiet and easy to drive

[lucid orbit]

I daily my legs

[fathom socket]

I daily a sedan

[misty imp]

imagine if it's a straight cut gear

[sacred yoke]

or so says the owner of it

[lucid orbit]

How

[fathom socket]

LOL nahh

[misty imp]

they're already insufferable on most racecars

[sacred yoke]

imagine if its a straight cut gear with an stressed member engine

you get all the funny vibrations

[fathom socket]

Even people who drive the gutted honda civics and shit with like 700 hp

its still a honda civic

[sacred yoke]

specialy if it's a carbon fiber car

[fathom socket]

I'd take my Volvo with 320 hp over your 700 hp honda

[sacred yoke]

imagine vibrations of that without a softer chassis todampen it lol

[fathom socket]

I can actually drive mine and be comfortable

[sacred yoke]

i mean it was one of the easier group c cars to drive

and one of the softer ones

[fathom socket]

bruh talk about vibrations

the bronx

the road

[misty imp]

sorry chief can't defend you on this one

[fathom socket]

is so bad

[misty imp]

k20 engines on top

[fathom socket]

k20's suck

[sacred yoke]

look at the video of verstappen driving the valkyrie

there's a reason he has earmuffs on

[misty imp]

volvos are overrated and will never be the same like they used to

[fathom socket]

I'd take an inline 5 turbo over an over strained 4 cylinder thats bound to blow up

[sacred yoke]

not only is it loud as fuck, the engine is a stressed member which means its part of the chassis of the car

[fathom socket]

New ones suck, I mean pre SPA

fuck new volvos

[sacred yoke]

and it's gear driven too, no belts or chains

so you get all the noise in the cabin

[misty imp]

new volvos are riding off old volvo clout

[fathom socket]

Theyre just all going electric

[misty imp]

Saab on fucking top

[fathom socket]

following new car trends

pre 2015 volvos are where its at

Their current engines are dogshit

Theyre not dogshit, theyre just strained

[sacred yoke]

look, its not that loud https://youtu.be/51VJgvZ7Hxg?t=34

[fathom socket]

Supercharging a turbo to boost a 2.0L inline 4 is dumb as fuck

[sacred yoke]

because car companies have a fetish with efficiency numbers

[misty imp]

huh

[sacred yoke]

or rather, lawmakers

[fathom socket]

mpg numbers

[fathom socket]

Yeah idek

I got what they meant ig 😭

Then just use a NA inline 4 bruh

[sacred yoke]

efficiency is good, but if it means the engine will blow up sooner are you really helping the environment?

[sacred yoke]

based and mr2pilled

[misty imp]

turbo charged 1.0 gets better mpg ironically

[fathom socket]

theyre honestly not crazy unreliable but

still Id never take a 4 banger

[sacred yoke]

but they are also very complex

[fathom socket]

idc how much hp they squeeze out

[fathom socket]

yeah if it breaks youre fucked

[sacred yoke]

i saw the engine bay of a seat ibiza the other day

it's wild

[misty imp]

also fuck mr2, there's a reason not alot of people used them

[fathom socket]

My S60 is cramped but I can work on almost everything in the car pretty easy

only pain in the ass thing is the timing belt

[sacred yoke]

which mr2

the mr2 spyder is a great car

[fathom socket]

They can squeeze out however much power the engine is designed to
Problem is half of the engines being used are just NA designs with forced induction slapped on

[misty imp]

mr2 owners when they get introduced to the concept of understeer

[fathom socket]

The MR2 is sick

wym

[sacred yoke]

it's a bit underwhelming

[misty imp]

and inveitably wrap their cards around trees

[sacred yoke]

but the mr2 spyder has chronic understeer

[fathom socket]

Look at the 2.7L chevy I4, that thing is built around boost and it’s sick as hell

[misty imp]

because its "basically a supra"

[sacred yoke]

the mr2 spyder is genuinely easier to drive than a saxo vts

[fathom socket]

Its funny because I've seen RWD cars understeer before I do

My cars FWD and Ive never understeered no matter how hard I go

[sacred yoke]

it just doesn't kick its tail unless you really force it to

[fathom socket]

people just like to hate FWD

[sacred yoke]

or unless you are driving on 10 year old tires like i used to

[fathom socket]

because they drove a honda accord and it didnt handle well

Then you need to go harder
It’ll understeer eventually

[sacred yoke]

that was funny in the rain

[fathom socket]

oh yeah ofc

but by the time Id get it to understeer on the street

id be into a tree

I've taken 25mph corners at 55-70 with no issue in this car

[misty imp]

I know it's not funny but what the fuck HAHAHHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXMW79Dcf_E

[fathom socket]

I have a pretty sick mountain road that I rip

[sacred yoke]

but genuinely the mr2 mk3 is kinda underwhelming, it's faster than the miata but it's less dramatic

[fathom socket]

Snap understeer and snap oversteer

[sacred yoke]

literal skill issue

[fathom socket]

good combo 💀

[misty imp]

not really

[fathom socket]

LOL

HOW TF

[misty imp]

but ig too much steering input

[fathom socket]

How did it understeer

its going like

14 mph

thats definitely an engineering fail

[sacred yoke]

yes really, the sw20's oversteer problems only camee on a few early models, it was promptly fixed, most sw20s are not oversteery

[fathom socket]

too much steering angle for the chassis ig?

[sacred yoke]

videos usually look slower than they are

[misty imp]

O

I'm pretty sure this car doesn't have abs anyway

and it's fwd

[fathom socket]

the MR2?

its rwd

[sacred yoke]

i always joke about the mr2 being the highest tech car i've ever owned

i can even open the door remotely through a remote control

[misty imp]

also reminder to check your tire pressure

also also reminder, if you're going to attempt highspeed cornering

[misty imp]

get that shit underpressured by 2-5 psi

[sacred yoke]

oh yeah that's the big reason the mr2 understeers now that i think about it, staggered tires

[misty imp]

you'll thank me later

[sacred yoke]

it runs 185s in the front 💀

[misty imp]

yeah no shit

even on my micra I understeer sometimes, but that's when I'm really trying

that's running 180/55/16

it's not wide enough

[sacred yoke]

i do remember how funny it was running the 2013 tires last summer

just a little throttle in the rain and you went sideways

not for long because open diff but funny anyways

[misty imp]

but this shit, looks evil as fuck

[sacred yoke]

i drove a truck today

[misty imp]

eh you can turn off TC and probably get away with longer

[sacred yoke]

there's no TC

only assist is the power steering and ABS

[misty imp]

wtf did i expect watching that, ofc you drive an mr2

[sacred yoke]

which reminds me... the car is strange, because it's neither hydraulic nor electric steering

[misty imp]

💀

[sacred yoke]

wym lol

[misty imp]

mr2 had really notorious power steering issues

[sacred yoke]

the spyder? maybe

[misty imp]

pre 2000s anyway

[sacred yoke]

the steering is both electric and hydraulic

i assume they didn't want to pass a hydraulic line from the back so they just used a cable

[misty imp]

I prefer the one I've got now, pretty sure it's just electric

it feels more responsive at high speed

[sacred yoke]

so it's an electric motor moving a hydraulic pump

I assume they did it for steering feel

[misty imp]

mine's all geering

gearing

[sacred yoke]

it ended up being quite tame for such a complicated setup though

[fathom socket]

Is it me or do cars understeer too easy in assetto corsa?

Like, ill be in a miata and itll understeer so easy

[misty imp]

try dirt 2.0

[fathom socket]

I think I played it once

And got pissed

Because I kept flying into trees

[misty imp]

it definitely takes more skill to drive ngl

everything feels floaty compared to irl

[fathom socket]

Yeah

Tbh driving in real life is easier than in a lot of sim games imo

[misty imp]

but it's also good and bad at the same time

it's much more forgiving in slides than irl

dirt 2.0 probably affected my opinion regarding awd and rwd

back then I wanted rwd mid engine car

but now

AWD or nothing babyyy

[fathom socket]

My car had an AWD option but

AWD has downsides like fuel economy

I actually have grown to like the fwd

[misty imp]

60 front 40 back

[fathom socket]

And it blowing up sometimes lol

[misty imp]

is the way i'd roll tbh'

[fathom socket]

What kind of car do you have?

Miata

[misty imp]

Rn?

Micra/march with 1inch "lift" kit (its cut up plastic chopping boards used as a spacer)

[fathom socket]

Sick

[fathom socket]

Bruh

[misty imp]

don't be fooled, I've driven some interesting cars

idk how and why people let me drive their cars

[fathom socket]

Lol

[misty imp]

but it's hilarious seeing the panic on their face

[fathom socket]

I drive my car really hard

[misty imp]

so far, I've driven a tsport yaris, ford fiesta 2000s bs

[fathom socket]

I have to tone myself down if Im driving someone elses car

[misty imp]

RN Clio 1.2 2013

[fathom socket]

Clios are fun

Atleast Id imagine

[misty imp]

ford fiesta again

Corsa

Polo 2020? i think it was

[fathom socket]

Im about to have some sick blowoff sounds on my car

Fuck I wish we had more small cars

Im getting an upgraded TBV from elevate and a new intake for the turbo

[misty imp]

VW beetle

[fathom socket]

Manual honda fit

[misty imp]

nissan micra k12

nissan qashqai 2013

[fathom socket]

They haven’t sold the honda fit here in like 7 years

Yeah you gotta get a used one

I like the TT RS

Those fuckers are selling for more used than they were new

The newer TT RS's are sick

3.3 second 0-60 stock with an inline 5

[misty imp]

honda EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[fathom socket]

Tt or the fit?

Fit

[misty imp]

ngl, Don't really like german cars

I want to like them

[fathom socket]

Idk why

[misty imp]

but they're just eh

[fathom socket]

I want this so badly

Theyre better than Japanese cars

[misty imp]

nah

in the long term

[fathom socket]

They definitely are

No thanks, pass

I’ll buy American before I buy German

[sacred yoke]

AC's biggest problem was the sudden suspension compression when going over bumps, otherwise it feels ok to me

[misty imp]

for a family man, japanese car > german cars

[fathom socket]

Nahh

Not new ones atleast

[misty imp]

makes more sense to repair, cheap to run, cheap to insure, cheap to fix

[fathom socket]

Lexus on top fr

New japanese cars are in the same league as some euro cars in reliability

[misty imp]

abundant parts, less bullshit vacuum lines, FUCK YOU BMW

little shit

[fathom socket]

Yeah but you get a cheap econobox

[sacred yoke]

I used to work at the company that built the 2014 championship winning formula e car

[fathom socket]

Not everyone wants to drive a fake leather uncomfortable toyota lol

[misty imp]

germans and econoboxes outside VW doesn't go togehter my guy

I don't want a leather interior

[fathom socket]

Im saying japanese cars are econoboxes

[sacred yoke]

We also had a Tesla and they found the hard way that a model S pre-plaid really didn't like being driven hard

[fathom socket]

Thats cool

I do

[fathom socket]

Lexus LS but ok

[sacred yoke]

It had a tendency to break down

I think the most it did was two laps of Barcelona

[fathom socket]

People just dont maintain european cars in the US

[misty imp]

pvc mixed with cloth

[fathom socket]

I do all my maintenance when its supposed to be done, oil changes every 3-4k miles and I havent had a single issue

[misty imp]

I'd only buy leather if it's the rough kind of leather

[fathom socket]

Yeah honestly fuck modern leather

[misty imp]

yeah when jap econo boxes last for like 10k miles without giving a shit about oil change

[fathom socket]

My car could do the same

I just dont wanna drive a piece of shit

[misty imp]

I've done 20k without an oil change and it never affected my engine in anyway

[fathom socket]

Cringe

Thats cool but like

Why

Thats stupid

It takes me 30 minutes to change my oil, maybe 40 bucks max

[misty imp]

because I was broke asf fr home boy

no cap

[fathom socket]

Real

[misty imp]

and I didn't have a drive way I can work in

[fathom socket]

Neither do I

[misty imp]

I did the oil change myself last year

[fathom socket]

I do it in a parking lot lol

Or on a flat surface near my house

[misty imp]

over here you're not really allowed to work on cars on the street

[fathom socket]

Following the law is cringe

[misty imp]

some weird laws about engine oils / fluids on the road and shit

[fathom socket]

Kidding

[fathom socket]

Probably the same here

[misty imp]

broski have you seen me drive lmfao

[fathom socket]

I just dont give a fuck

Im changing my oil whether the US government likes it or not

[misty imp]

tbh

oilchange in the US doesn't seem so bad

[fathom socket]

Its so simple, people just dont care about their cars

[misty imp]

you've got lube whatever there you can drive in

[sacred yoke]

Didn't oil used to be used to keep dusty roads not dusty?

[hexed kayak]

Im pretty sure one of those is mine

[misty imp]

in true american fashion

[fathom socket]

Yeah theres valvoline and shit

You can drive in and theyll change the oil

You gotta get outta the car and wait though

[misty imp]

yeah that shit doesn't seem so bad, and it's cheap as fuck too

[fathom socket]

Its like a regular mechanic shop doing it

You can but a lot of them are fully aware of how ignorant people are about cars and will fuck you over

[fathom socket]

Its like 50 dollars more to do that

For me atleast

Maybe 30$ more

[misty imp]

over here oil change / service costs about what 120? for a basic service

[fathom socket]

Its for middle aged women in subaru foresters

[sacred yoke]

I don't need to change oil in the MR2 since it changes itself

[misty imp]

and that's shit considering they use the bottom of the barrel oils most of the time

[fathom socket]

Lol

[fathom socket]

Yeah I was gonna say that too

[sacred yoke]

It takes around 1000 km to burn the whole oil in the engine LMAAAO

[fathom socket]

Hell yeah

[misty imp]

Just buy a beemer, never do an oilchange in your life, since it would just burn it off anyway

[fathom socket]

Toyota reliability

Bruh that’s not good

I know Im being sarcastic

[sacred yoke]

It's actually a known issue with these engines

[fathom socket]

It’s a 30 year old car

[fathom socket]

So would any car

[sacred yoke]

Apparently the solution is either to replace piston rings or just keep an eye out

[sacred yoke]

Nah, they did this too when they came out lol

[fathom socket]

I can pick up a 90's volvo thatll run great and not burn much or any oil at all

L bozo

[fathom socket]

Damn that’s crazy

It is

[misty imp]

yeah but old volvos can literally run on canola oil

[fathom socket]

My neighbor has a volvo wagon with like 350k miles on it

Still runs

[fathom socket]

Even the P3's arent too bad if you take care of them

Anything past 2014 I wouldnt touch with a 999999 ft pole

I wish I could get a C30

[misty imp]

however

we can all agree

[fathom socket]

You can throw like 5k into it and have a car that makes like 600 hp

[misty imp]

FUCK FRENCH CARS

[fathom socket]

Yes

The french suck at everything

War

Cars

Government

Thank god the only french cars here are nissans

And theyre not completely french usually

[misty imp]

wanna know something funny?

[fathom socket]

Sure

[misty imp]

you know on almost all unreliable nissan diesel cars

would you take a guess on who made the engines?

[fathom socket]

uh

[sacred yoke]

the mr2 oil burning shenanigans were caused by some slight massive piston ring design issues iirc

[fathom socket]

Renault?

[sacred yoke]

so all 1zz engines suffer from it

all celica also suffer from it

[misty imp]

fucking bingo, Fuck the french cars, i rest my case

[fathom socket]

Lol yes

nissans have been shit since renaults ownership

my mom unbeknowingly bought a 2009 murano

all 3 cats went out

7k repair bill

not to mention it had 200k miles and somehow the CVT lasted

[misty imp]

the thing is

[fathom socket]

bound to go

[misty imp]

it's probably just the DPF

the problem with buying a diesel car, is that most owners doesn't realize that you have to rag the fucking thing

[sacred yoke]

on the mr2 your biggest enemy is the precats

they ahve a tendency to muder the engine

[misty imp]

every once and a while

[fathom socket]

its petrol

theres basically no diesel sedans sold in mass in the US

[sacred yoke]

genuinely the best solution it to just gut out the precats because otherwise say bye bye to the motor

[fathom socket]

not that I know of atleast

[misty imp]

it's probably still rag it once a month to clear the cat

[fathom socket]

its all trucks

[misty imp]

id*

[fathom socket]

my cars cat will last forever in that case 😎

lol

my poor Volvo

[misty imp]

my brother in christ

in the past 3 years I've driven my nissan

[sacred yoke]

i have three cats in my car, can't wait to get rid of two of them

[misty imp]

there's not a time I haven't ragged it

[fathom socket]

yeah thats how I drive a lot tbh

I accidentally banged it off the rev limiter coming out of a corner

[misty imp]

I've done 40k in two years

[sacred yoke]

" The problem on many cars is the engine runs hotter than it was designed for, causing the petroleum inside the oil to break down and cause sludge and carbon buildup. The carbon blocks the oil return holes in the piston head, and the oil that's scraped off the piston walls has no where to go, except up, into the combustion chamber, where it gets burned!" oh that expalins it

[fathom socket]

Yeah I've put 20k on mine it a year

I bought the car with 52k miles on it

[misty imp]

accidentally? i bang my rev limiter when i accelerate and hard shift

[fathom socket]

at 73k now

[fathom socket]

I care about my car 😭

and its an automatic

[misty imp]

L

[fathom socket]

Nah

manual shift works fine

I prefer auto

[sacred yoke]

i spend 3 years to get to redline in the citroen LMAO

god i miss when citroen was based

[fathom socket]

I can manually shift when I want and just chill when I dont

it shifts pretty quick too

[misty imp]

citroen just about escapes the pitiful abysmall bullshitry that renault has

if they actually you know

spend some time designing engines

[sacred yoke]

nah they universally suck now

[misty imp]

and hiring people who actually do work instead of protesting all the fucking time

maybe they'll have a decent car by now

[sacred yoke]

citroens used to have their funny suspension as the cause of most of its problems lol

[misty imp]

the only good thing the french cars had was the active suspension

[misty imp]

that shit was cool

[sacred yoke]

funny unreliable suspension had it's perks though ^

[sacred yoke]

it was passive actually

[fathom socket]

LMAO nahh

bro lost so much speed 😭

idk if that was the "ideal line"

[sacred yoke]

yeah but its funny

[fathom socket]

it is

[sacred yoke]

it's a four wheel drift, not sure he actually lost much time

with how slow the xantia v6 is perhaps it was worth it to do that

[misty imp]

my homeboy, if you're sliding, there's already no ideal line

[fathom socket]

yes Ik

thats what I was saying

bro said nope to the line lol

[sacred yoke]

if your car is extremely slow sliding is actually a potentially faster thing to do

that's the karting line

keep the rpms up even if it costs you sliding

[misty imp]

@sacred yoke this is the active suspension that I mean on the OLD DS citroens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5gds6alUy8

[fathom socket]

carrying speed usually is better

you can carry speed through a corner without sliding

[sacred yoke]

yeah that's the same system

it's passive

no computers or anything

just fluid in the suspensions

[fathom socket]

Lol, looks like it has no back wheels

[misty imp]

bro I don't think we're using the same terminology here

I might be recalling things incorrectly

[sacred yoke]

yeah there was no actuator, just a bunch of fluid being used to keep the car flat

[fathom socket]

assetto corsa time

[sacred yoke]

but it was a banger suspension design

it could drive on three wheels

and it could even change your tire without using a cat

[misty imp]

it was indeed cool

[sacred yoke]

average citroen suspension

[misty imp]

but idk if they ever fully utilized that

[sacred yoke]

the car was named car of france after a french president had four of the tires shot and the car just kept going on its rims just fine

[misty imp]

What was that merc with an interesting suspension design

Think it was magnets or something

[sacred yoke]

the BOSS suspension?

it was too heavy

[misty imp]

combined with a spring

that was cool but impractical

[sacred yoke]

why are modern cars so fucking hard suspension wise btw

its wild

[wet summit]

as in ride?

[misty imp]

Imo, this is highly speculative

[wet summit]

or dissasembly of suspension components

[sacred yoke]

i assume its because on flat smooth roads it iimproves ride

yeah i mean hard ride wise

[misty imp]

but the reason why most manufacturers don't get the suspension right is because of the target demographics

[sacred yoke]

"In August 1962 the presidential DS of Charles De Gaulle, leader of the Free French Forces during WW2 and president of France was assailed by the bullets of Algerian terrorists with two or three tires out the car's suspension kept it level and drivable, even without the aid of tires De Gaulle's driver managed to escape the situation and the rest is has the say history."

[wet summit]

they're uncomfortable as hell

[sacred yoke]

yeah that's why all shifters feel like grabbing a grandpa's sausage now

[misty imp]

some old geriatric bloke might buy a run of the mill car because it rides smooth

[wet summit]

give them 10 years to really wear the suspension

[sacred yoke]

because people don't want to feel anything

[misty imp]

horrible cornering and accelaration

[wet summit]

dude i was in a pacifica today and the shifter is a dial

🤦

[sacred yoke]

i remember the first time i saw an mr2 spyder was the day that mcafee died

[misty imp]

or sometimes you'll end up with cars like any pagani, who has over agressive suspensions

[sacred yoke]

he died like 15 mins away from home so i went to visit the prison while streaming it to /g/ LMAO

[sacred yoke]

paganis suck

their aero sucks

man can't make cars