cars

[tired sundial]

I also took the weekend off to fix up my car got new shocks did oil change and deep cleaned it

[halcyon grotto]

the previous owner couldnt possibly have forked out the last 60 quid or something to replace the last tyre

[charred depot]

Used to not bother about tyres, dont really run super old ones anymore after a incident in my friends shonky escort.

You know a car is shite when you pass off the noises of a tyre coming apart as normal.

[bitter compass]

Sometimes i wonder if modded cars should be worth more because of the parts like a kw suspension ain't bad or cheap or less because some monkey worked on it

Why am i even looking at a lancer evo x

[halcyon grotto]

I'd say it depends on who did the mods

its a fairly substantial risk unless its some big proper company

[charred depot]

My 305 is probably worth less

most things id say is worth less modified

[fathom socket]

This thing so small

No wonder it sounds like it's farting

Banana for scale

Got an amp for the replacements?

Nah

I just need replace these 2 speakers to something that won't sound like coil banging on the magnet

And the "woofers" sound more like hearing loss simulator

And have no bass at all

[pearl tiger]

looks like 10cm speakers 😄 had those in my old seats dashboard 😄

[fathom socket]

Yeaaa I get that
Kinda regretting putting a sub in my car instead of just an amp powering the doors

[fathom socket]

These are 8 I think

[pearl tiger]

i mean, in my ibiza i got decent enough speakers. but i added subwoofer in trunk.. well now i dont have trunkspace tho

[fathom socket]

I honestly not a fan of soobwoofers

Car is not a cinema and I like good quality balanced bass

[pearl tiger]

im young and dumb

bass needs to be heavy

[fathom socket]

It needs to be nice, warm and deep

[pearl tiger]

maybe later i will use those tiny subs that go into the emergencywheel place

well im yeeting around 1200w RMS with peaks of 1800w into the trunk 😄

[fathom socket]

Don't burn the alternator

[pearl tiger]

alternator is fine

[fathom socket]

For me 80 watt system is just fine, as long as everything is balanced.

Ford i had had pretty good speakers

[pearl tiger]

My fiat had JLAudio door speakers with 50-60 watts rms i think

[fathom socket]

I don't even know what mine does

[civic spoke]

Just replacing the old factory speakers will do wonders.

Considering how cheap, and old they are.

[pearl tiger]

depends on the oem head unit tho

[fathom socket]

When I've looked the speaker part number it said it was for 2003-2006 iveco stralis

[civic spoke]

Cheap aftermarket stuff doesn't always draw more than OEM. So it would be fine.

Same speakers for 20 years

[fathom socket]

The radio unit already overpowers the oem speakers

[pearl tiger]

my head unit not cheap 😂

[fathom socket]

Also don't want to lose the computer functions

And it's 24v system and i think not all head units will work on 24v

[pearl tiger]

ye.

[fathom socket]

Alltrough I wanna build my own head unit one time

[fathom socket]

Same, the gain is super low and it’s exclusively filling in the low end that the two door speakers can’t hit

Probably because they’re 70watt RMS speakers powered by the stock head unit

[wispy cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-inconvenience-gif-23795670

[misty mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-the-grand-tour-how-in-the-name-of-all-thats-holy-did-you-do-that-gif-26400530

Also, did you get another truck or is that a work vehicle?

[wispy cloak]

This is a truck that's owned by the local university

I just found it like this

[misty mantle]

Ah

Lmao

[wraith rivet]

Finders keepers

[misty mantle]

Thought it was your F-350, but the fact that its a dually and has the OE wheels told me otherwise

[elfin stone]

Relax, it’s just a Ford

[misty mantle]

Reminder, I'm a Ford Guy

[elfin stone]

Oh, oopsie.

[misty mantle]

lmao, its good. I said something about my truck moving under its own power on Saturday because I just got it fixed after burning the clutch out

[elfin stone]

You’ll like that I live pretty close to the place where they build the Fiesta

[misty mantle]

I'm more on the truck side, but thats still pretty cool

Though the maverick can kiss my ass

Same with the new F-150 lightning

[elfin stone]

Well, trucks are pretty much nonexistent over here. Most people have Hatchbacks and Station Wagons

[misty mantle]

Do you guys even have Rangers?

[elfin stone]

My family has a Mondeo Mk3 Tournier. It’s an interesting car

We do have that one. But it’s not really popular

[misty mantle]

Figured

Basically every 3rd car you see here in the states is either a F-series or Ranger

[elfin stone]

But the Ranger is mostly aimed at the Agriculture, Electricans etc

At least over here

It’s in the same shopping category as the Transit

[misty mantle]

Over here you have the people over-compensating, and then you have the people that actually use the truck for its intended purpose

[elfin stone]

And we can’t afford the gas guzzlers you guys have

[misty mantle]

Yeah

[elfin stone]

For example, my car has a consumption of 35 mpg

That’s pretty decent for an engine that was designed around 2004

[misty mantle]

My dads work truck was a '17 F-150, he said with a bed rack, he got about 17 mpg with the 5.0 Coyote V8 in it
He recently turned it in tho and bought a new Bronco
Which also gets about 17 mpg on a 2.3 liter i4 turbo

[elfin stone]

Christ. My car would extremely cheap to drive in the US

Oh, if you ever see it: It was sold as the Saturn Astra over there

[misty mantle]

I have literally never seen one of these in my life

[elfin stone]

I actually dig the rear bumper. But it’s insanely expensive to get it shipped over here

Though I do like mine more

[topaz vessel]

Usually the reasoning for no is because it's hard to know the quality of work done on someone else's projects.
That said, sometimes if the mods done are done professionally and of good quality they can lead to a higher price, though almost never enough to cover the costs of the mods and the labor.

[topaz vessel]

This is a good question.
They are supposed to be fun cars though.

[wispy cloak]

It's also a 7.3

[misty mantle]

Hell yeah. Best diesel ever to be put in a Ford

[hexed kayak]

Buy a cobalt

I got mine already built making 470hp and its been painted nebula purple. Under 10k Canadian.

[molten shard]

GLS600 we got

[hexed kayak]

Someone is going bankrupt over that i can smell it

[wet summit]

what a sham

[molten shard]

$18,500 paint

[wet summit]

for the cost of one of those you can buy 100 2001 chevrolet cavaliers

realistically 100 2001 chevrolet cavaliers will last longer than one cl600

or 400 500$ civics

[molten shard]

But if you have $200k to put on a car, your probably able to maintain it

[wet summit]

not true

not always true i mean

[molten shard]

How so

[wraith rivet]

i'd say 99.99999% of the time it's true

[stoic ledge]

Leverkusen... I'll be very close to you Friday, picking up new wheels for the mighty Corsa (Dormagen)

[elfin stone]

Neat

I mean, I could show you all the nooks and crannies of the car then, but that’s up to you ^^

[stoic ledge]

I'm going to pick them up with my sister so it'll have to be for another time

🥲

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168

[fathom socket]

I don't like having this

[civic spoke]

That's a Maserati.

[fathom socket]

Even more anxiety

[tardy harbor]

forgive for stating the obvious but in state it is the most reliable it will ever be

spoken from a position of envy of course, beautiful shape

[tired sundial]

Rock hits it on Highway

See the rock chip in the photo

[fathom socket]

Took it back to Fiat drosso

And it's hell here

[stoic ledge]

Car came for sale this morning
Called 1hr later
Possibly already sold (they had an appointment for it half an hour ago)
🥲

[fathom socket]

They told me I have to unload at m87

And now I'm looking where the hell I'm supposed to unload

U mean cars with weird patterns?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah, it's sold

Damn that went quick

[civic spoke]

I'm working late today.

[fathom socket]

And they unloaded me in the wrong spot

[tardy harbor]

oh man I unload often in the wrong spot amiright fellas

[stoic ledge]

Fiat's version of the Avenger?

[stoic ledge]

Same

[tardy harbor]

[stoic ledge]

[civic spoke]

I got a 5 series as a loaner.

E60 520i

[stoic ledge]

1994 5 series

Oh

That's worse

[civic spoke]

I rather have the 94 one, tbh

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[brittle totem]

From that airbag recall ?

[civic spoke]

Car's in for a service and some stuff

[brittle totem]

Have you got that airbag replaced yet ? My moms BMW got an airbag on the driver side airbags like 1 week ago.

[brittle totem]

My brother got a jeep as loaner when he went to service his Abarth. Weird car to get as a loaner when you service your car at an Abarth dealer.

[stoic ledge]

My brother has it

Like a month ago

Has a small line on the middle of the airbag which the original didn't have

[charred depot]

annoying being in a car I care about

[fathom socket]

@turbid onyx well, they unloaded me, and realized i got unloaded in the wrong place when they were reassuring me I was in the right place

[gentle sky]

Some pics from yesterday’s car meet 🤍

[halcyon grotto]

damn nice megane#

[fathom socket]

I don't even know. I went to 14.

[gentle sky]

Fr. My parents had a blue Megane before my dads business took off.

[brittle totem]

Has he already got it replaced ?

[wraith rivet]

bro you drive like a maniac 😭

[charred depot]

tame

[civic spoke]

Heading home now

22:00

[charred depot]

got brake checked for the first time today by a corsa :^|

[stoic ledge]

Yup, new one has a line in it

I really hate those base wheels on a Giulia

[stoic ledge]

Wasn't me, I swear!

[misty mantle]

lmao

[charred depot]

I love the shonky look of my car with mismatched wheels and its age seems to annoy some people being passed by it

I want to make it even quicker but my top mount intercooler is absolutely cooking.

[halcyon grotto]

average driver in their £300/month leased crossovers really dont like being shown up

[bold trout]

New project car 👀

[halcyon grotto]

damm looks pretty gross(er)

[bold trout]

what a hater

[halcyon grotto]

how much of a project will it be

[bold trout]

mainly interior

new brake lines and fuel lines is about ti

[halcyon grotto]

my knowledge of those kinds of cars extends only to the top gear episode

[bold trout]

lol

its a 72 280se

[charred depot]

Have a set of those wheel trims, apparently worth decent money here.

[halcyon grotto]

somehow doubt that a water hose actually cost 15k

[bold trout]

cobras?

[charred depot]

friend stuck them on my 305 as a joke at one point

[feral reef]

They sell the car with those?

[stoic ledge]

Sadly, yes

And I really hate them

[feral reef]

How odd

[stoic ledge]

Hmm in NL not anymore apparently

But you could get them

Base model is probably removed from the pricing list

Base engine now is also the 280hp version, 2.2D and 200hp petrol is gone I see

[feral reef]

Never seen them

Probably because no one buying a Guilia is stupid enough to buy it with those wheels

[stoic ledge]

Mostly on diesel I think

Those who can just afford the base diesel as a company car

😛

Horrible

[bold trout]

disgusting

[stoic ledge]

(https://www.autowereld.nl/alfa-romeo/giulia/2-2-eco-business-dab-ecc-cruise-37661123/details.html)
Source

[feral reef]

They look like hub caps

[charred depot]

not heard much good about the diesels sadly, we'll they are nice then they boost properly.

[feral reef]

It makes the whole car look cheap

I love the Guilia, but that one is ugly

[stoic ledge]

@turbid onyx what's your opinion on a MiTo 1.4 8v (non-turbo), 2018? Friend of mine is considering on buying those. As far as I know they're quite alright? I thought the 1.4 8v always had a 6spd but the one she sent me appears to have a 5spd gearbox?

[charred depot]

modern diesels just seem such a minefield

[stoic ledge]

Yeah same for me

[stoic ledge]

Basically any modern diesel with emissions crap is shite

[misty mantle]

No kidding lmao

[stoic ledge]

Yeah which was the base model here as lower emissions = lower tax = cheapest model you could get in NL 😛

True, but I don't think she cares about that tbh, she mainly wants it because it looks kjoet

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/alfa-romeo-mito-1-4i-navi-1-jaar-garantie-gasoline-grey-e8e28dae-2741-49e9-8566-1d80e2008f42

Specifically this one

I also see it on 136hp's here

Eco

[wet summit]

i'm used to the giulia with some black 8 spokes

those look like fucking ass

[stoic ledge]

Aight, okay thanks

But aware of any problems with the 1.4 8v or the MiTo of 2018 in general?

I think it being on the market so long they'd have most figured out

[topaz vessel]

Not every day multiple Veyrons are present.
Where was this meet?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah exactly what I thought

[feral reef]

One of my co workers said today that if she were to get a new car, It wouldn’t be a VW Polo

Because she “would be stopped by the police more”

Because “drug dealers drive polos” 😂

Then I told her that they actually drive Golf GTIs

I’m not sure she knows the difference

[misty mantle]

If they were smart, they wouldn't drive at all lmao

[halcyon grotto]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-65549017

most responsible BMW driver in the UK?

[wraith rivet]

Saw this cool Audi wagon at the gym today

[gentle sky]

Czechia. The owner of the Bugattis is bringing his cars twice a year to this car meet

[rich garnet]

I want it

And yes, it has a limo seat in the back area, why would it not?

Perfection

[brittle totem]

Those are every where here in the wagon land 🇸🇪

[stoic ledge]

@brittle totem installed CarPlay in the BMW .. do you also have the problem when you're making a call through CarPlay, you have to change the audio input to the car itself?

I assume it's probably the same box/device

[stoic ledge]

Horrible wheels

Especially for an Allroad

[brittle totem]

Well yes and no if you use the Carplay/android auto interface the mic doesn't work but the audio does. But if you use the steering wheel controls to call everything works fine since it uses the inbuild Bluetooth system then.

[civic spoke]

They are more common in the wagon form.

[stoic ledge]

Ok, I shall tell my brother that then.

Quite stupid lol

[brittle totem]

Haven't seen A6 sedan in like 2 years now they are all wagons here specially the latest gen.

[civic spoke]

Father even has the new A6 Avant now.

Still meh on the black color.

I'm still super happy about my car.

[brittle totem]

Yeah I know but if you just call through the HUD/insturment cluster display it just works but you need to be connected to the inbuild Bluetooth and the carplay box at that same for that to work.

[errant shore]

Finally a bmw without some shitty wheels and body kit

[civic spoke]

BMW X3 rims that I bought for under $200 and mounted new rubber on.

[errant shore]

Imo that is better than this

With a passion i hate chrome wheels and camber

Imo it looks broken

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so it was connected to both, that's apparently the problem currently at least when calling through CarPlay... It took the cars Bluetooth system but the sound and microphone still went to the CarPlay? Or exactly the other way around, idk

But I thought I saw a settings within the CarPlay box, to enable car Bluetooth for calling through CarPlay. I'll see if I can find and activate it again tomorrow then

Or probably Saturday

[brittle totem]

Oh we didn't plug in the microphone that came with the carplay kit since we wouldn't have a good place to put it at and the guy that we bought it from said that it sound like crap anyways so he recommended us to just use the inbuild mic instead.

[pearl tiger]

occasionally reposting my Shitbox

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so that wasn't needed for ours apparently, we also didn't place it microphone. It should be able to use the build in ones. 2013 models you had to add a microphone yes

[stoic ledge]

Loving the EU so much they even named a town after it and put it on the license plate

[civic spoke]

"Europe North West"

[stoic ledge]

Oh yeah I remember using Siri, so the Factory microphone works

[stoic ledge]

Inb4 Germany want to take NW EU

[civic spoke]

Technically is should be WNW. 288 degrees.

[stoic ledge]

[pearl tiger]

haha. 😂

Well EU is the region code tho

Rest is personal stuff

[stoic ledge]

Yeah, Germany be like "EU is our region"

😛

[civic spoke]

Fuck me.

The ABS issue that I have on my car is said to cost me like €1,300 or something.

If not more.

I'm just going to hold off on that for the time being...

Going to order parts to do the brakes myself at least.

[charred depot]

used parts way to go

[civic spoke]

The DSC module WAS used with that suggested price.

[civic spoke]

Get off-road designed car.
Remove off-road capabilities.

[elfin stone]

Or any Road except racetracks

[stoic ledge]

They can be the best wheels in the world, I still think they are very ugly, and putting them on an Allroad is even worse

[bitter compass]

We are the EU

Tbf by that logic I'd live in a gap

[charred depot]

can buy a E46 for that money : )

[tired sundial]

Daily car tip number 1
Virgin olive oil makes you car steering wheel look cleaner for longer

[fathom socket]

How to lose steering grip 101

[civic spoke]

And spend the same amount of money fixing it back up again.

[charred depot]

point im making is the used part shouldnt cost that much

[brittle totem]

It's a BMW of course parts will be expensive.

[charred depot]

It's a E46 there's an abundance of them being broken for parts.

[civic spoke]

The problem is finding matching parts. And then it has to be programmed either way.

[vocal mural]

Since when is the v word removed from bad words list?

[charred depot]

why waste fuel

[misty mantle]

Its all fun and games until someone un-virgins your olive oil

💀

[charred depot]

305 estates boot space is great

[misty mantle]

Why so much cooking oil lmao

[charred depot]

its good fuel

[topaz vessel]

Restaurant or catering related?
Oily kinks?

[misty mantle]

Oh yeah, thats right

The 305 is a diesel

[topaz vessel]

Ah, as a biodiesel...

[misty mantle]

Forgot you can run diesels on oil lmao

[topaz vessel]

My friend used to siphon McDonalds' grease traps.
His truck's exhaust smelled like fries.

[misty mantle]

Best smelling exhuast ever lmao

[misty mantle]

Lmg, 12/24 valve cummins in a Ram pickup?

[plucky violet]

nice fuel man

What'd it come from? wonder what its gonna smell like lol

around here it usually smells like tortilla chips

[plucky violet]

most if not all can run biodiesel but i'd avoid running things like motor oil on engines post-2000

[charred depot]

not that much can run straight veg oil

[plucky violet]

if you turned it into biodiesel it'll work fine

straight veg oil not so much lol

[charred depot]

its a faff enough

not really worth it anymore unless you are getting the veg oil used for basically free then having to do all the filtering.

[plucky violet]

yeah

i'd see the advantage for doomers to have a diesel engine lying around

[charred depot]

I do love the simplicity

[topaz vessel]

No idea what engine it was.
He was an industrial electric engineer and he had a panel van he rigged up as a fishing truck.
He had an electric organ with the pipes on the roof.
He had a deployable door that the band could set up on.
Had places to sit and a TV.

He was having fun.

[plucky violet]

i'd assume a 7.3

for gasoline engines if i want simple just go grab a 4.0 inline 6 from a jeep 💪

fuckers will last forever

[topaz vessel]

He also had a Volkswagen Beetle he could tow behind it as a "float" in the local 4th of July parade that a small bend could sit in with wings connected to the wheels so that as it was towed behind the truck it looked like a flapping cicada.

[plucky violet]

good quote "Reliable as a block of wood"

[topaz vessel]

Also, for Halloween he had some skeletons rigged up to saw a body in half and then had a piston driven to make the body come apart on the table it was on.

He had a lot of fun.
Good guy to have at the end of the alley growing up.
He taught me a fair amount about working on cars, I taught him about computers.

[scenic fog]

Average ford day

[fathom socket]

Found On Road Dead

[vocal mural]

Removing Richard Branson

[misty mantle]

Ecoboost?

[tired sundial]

It happens

[wispy cloak]

But 6.0 power

[misty mantle]

You're just saying that because you have a 6.0 lmao

Thats built correctly

[wispy cloak]

I don't think Europe would approve

[misty mantle]

Nah, they wouldn't

But who cares

because 6.0 powersmoke

[vocal mural]

Put that end of the pipe in the mouth of the left politicians

[misty mantle]

[misty mantle]

I showed one of my friends this and he said "I swear to Gordon Ramsey right now"

[charred depot]

we have plenty of coal roalling cars here in europe

Got a bit overzealous on the fuelling on the 305 and it did it for a day before it annoyed me having to manage it.

[scenic fog]

no

Audi great design

[charred depot]

https://youtu.be/DachNmuDSkQ the infamous 306 video

my older 305 wasnt designed for the turbo engine so doesent have any ducting, I cant really run any more boost as you could do a fry up on my top mount intercooler

keeping mine relatively smoke free

[wispy cloak]

My truck only smokes before it hits boost

So it basically has to be intentional

[charred depot]

who doesent use the throttle digitally

[bitter compass]

Is your car older than 25 years - go ahead, is it not screw you

[wispy cloak]

It's a 2004

[bitter compass]

If you get the oldtimer license plate nobody cares about emissions anymore

[wispy cloak]

My state doesn't have emissions inspections anyways

[bitter compass]

But don't you dare show up with a 24 year old car in tüv and its 0.01 above the limit for emissions

[wispy cloak]

My truck didn't have an emissions system from the factory

Outside of egr

But that's gone now

[misty mantle]

You lucky fuck

[misty mantle]

Never needed that anyway

[civic spoke]

Neato. Just saw a Nio ET7

[charred depot]

they did some kinda sign language at me as I passed :^ |

[vocal mural]

Anyone going to the Ben Pon Show at Twenthe airport 20 and 21 may?

[misty mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

(Sorry, saw the opportunity and took it)

[tired sundial]

Why is the date off by a couple months

[charred depot]

because americans are morons

[tired sundial]

Or was that yesterday

[tired sundial]

Dude I don’t like Mormons

[stoic ledge]

Thumbs up?

[charred depot]

mhm, hopefully get that howling wheel bearing done this weekend

I ignored another one for ages then jacked up the car seen how much play was in it and panicked to get it replaced that weekend.

[molten shard]

Maybach go boingggg

[halcyon grotto]

Bet they wanted to immediately go into the outside lane to sit alongside the lorry

[charred depot]

they had been doing basically that for miles before people behind me were getting agitated.

[charred depot]

no need for pesky lights

gotta save bulbs

think they thought I was flashing them to move over

so many of them though whats the point

[crisp jolt]

looks up ways to use a normal key fob instead of the switchblade key fob

[pearl tiger]

i always drive with foglights, so no issues for me lol

[misty mantle]

Both my parents: Laughs in automatic headlights

[stoic ledge]

My parents previous car had automatic headlights

They never used it

Always controlled them manually

[pearl tiger]

i drive with parklights + foglights all day.. (at night lowbeams ofc)

[stoic ledge]

So in this car I didn't bother looking for a car with it

[pearl tiger]

only need yellow foglights :c

well "need", i want them

[halcyon grotto]

just buy a P2 volvo

they usually have a stupid "daytime running light" function enabled which means the headlights are always on

so to turn them off you either have to go to the dealership and pay or buy a decent OBD tool

[pearl tiger]

i need decent obd tool to config stuff.. but those arent cheap (mostly)

[halcyon grotto]

for muh volvo I just bought a totally legit compatible cable for my computer then used muh computer

I think every kind of proper dealership software is available out there for a price

[pearl tiger]

i would get the software "on other ways" but most softwares have hardware licenses

[halcyon grotto]

there's usually alot of info about getting the software if you look

[pearl tiger]

best choice for me

[halcyon grotto]

have a gander on Aliexpress I think

ig that's quite nice coz it seems to come with software for a year

[pearl tiger]

yeah adapter + 1years pro plan

[halcyon grotto]

there's a thing called a mongoose pro which seems to be compatible with alot of brands

[pearl tiger]

just need VAG Group (Seat to be specific)

[halcyon grotto]

mongoose pro is the real one, aliexpress has many "equivalents"

not sure about VAG compatibility but maybe look

[pearl tiger]

i googled "mongoose pro" all i get are bicycles

hm. the original cable alone is 335€

i could check on VCDS Clones

[halcyon grotto]

oh looks like you can get those for like £20

I should've looked for what the VAG system was called

[pearl tiger]

i mean for 37 dollar i get a dongle + sketchy vcds ^^

[halcyon grotto]

certainly worth a try given the cost

[pearl tiger]

i mean its "that sketchy" https://share.nycotrix.de/wXB8YFewx.png

[halcyon grotto]

for the volvo one you had to do a sus patch thing to let you change the license expiry date

[pearl tiger]

for vcds the license is in the dongle but lifetime i think

[halcyon grotto]

obvs depends on the verification used

ye that sounds about right

[pearl tiger]

oh also the basic version has 3 VIN limit D:

Default Version: 289€ (3 VINS)
Unlimited VINS 589€

but lifetime.. not subscription crap like carly and others

[charred depot]

the headlight switch on my saab disintegrated one day while I was out in the middle of nowhere in the dark so I hotwired it or so I thought

fancy thing had a seperate pole in the switch for the front and rear so I had only actually hotwired the headlights on

GM quality

[pearl tiger]

yeah and?

Well not my issue if it's included in the trim lol

ah yes, as if I could choose the trim in a used car

[topaz vessel]

I think just one of those people in general.

(Went through the earlier discussion, and the immediate one.)

[charred depot]

wasn me

[topaz vessel]

I just generally don't take lightly to the "yeah and?" response when discussing law breaking.
As someone who spends the vast majority of their time interacting with traffic as a cyclist or pedestrian (rather than being traffic) I get to have the pleasure of a near miss experience at least once a week, often twice.

Drivers who like to play fast and loose with the rules or be inattentive while driving a (on average) 3000+ lbs machine capable of killing or inflicting long lasting or permanent injury to someone else just are not my favorite people.

[charred depot]

I must be the fuckn devil if driving with fog lights on when not needed translates to that, not that I would do such a devilish thing as that though.

[topaz vessel]

Driving with fog lights on when appropriate makes sense.
They have a purpose.
I was reacting to the "yeah and?" attitude towards being told a behavior is breaking the law.

[charred depot]

its not that deep

ive honked at someone for reasons other than altering traffic, since ive broken that little law im going to go on a rampage and kill someone.

I think foglights on outwith fog is a meme but crikey

[topaz vessel]

You seem to take a lot of issues about my conclusions about someone else's attitude.
You're concerned with the leap in my logic?

[charred depot]

Atleast you admit its a leap

[topaz vessel]

It's my read.
There were indicators of aiming for particularly cheap mods.
The yellow fogs, which are also a meme.
And then the "yeah and?" response to a statement of wrong doing.
I'll conclude as I will from the evidence in front of me.

[charred depot]

Got the full dataset on him I see

[topaz vessel]

I've got some data points.
Not all.
Conclusions are and never should be final.

[charred depot]

Can we expect weekly updates then or how much does your judgement package cost.

[topaz vessel]

No weekly updates.
And cost is probably out of your price range.

[charred depot]

You are right I probably wouldn't be willing to pay much when you clearly leap to judgements.

[topaz vessel]

Do you personally feel called out by what I said?
Is that the source for your response?

[charred depot]

You based a entire guys character on a few points, and my price range is and was £0 so.

[topaz vessel]

No, I based what I currently know of a person's character on a few points.
Just as you are likely doing now.

[charred depot]

I haven't made a judgement on you so much as a fact that you have leaped.

[topaz vessel]

Okay.

Well, these additional data points do not really change my opinion.
Rather affirm it.
But at the moment they're hearsay because I have not looked it up myself.

[charred depot]

Darkened tail lights might qualify.

But to be clear I was never defending the person just countering the holier than thou behaviour.

[topaz vessel]

If that's how you see it, okay.

[charred depot]

Back to cars here's some "illegal" towing for you to judge on.

[topaz vessel]

Is the connection rigid enough that the car doesn't hit the truck under braking?
Do the brake lights come on for the rear car when braking (if driving on larger roads, rather than smaller more lightly traveled one)?

[charred depot]

doesen't matter how safe it is its still illegal

[topaz vessel]

If you say so.

I mean, the first question is less one of safety and more one of risk of property damage to the car or truck being towed / doing the towing.

[charred depot]

its safe

The only legal use for them now is for recovering a broken down car and that breakdown must take place on a motorway.

[topaz vessel]

Apologies for my ignorance, but what qualifies as a "motorway" in the UK?
(I'll assume UK based on prior usage of the symbol for pounds as the currency.)

[charred depot]

fast multi lane road with a decent safety standard, only like 9 of in Scotland 1 near me.

[topaz vessel]

So the M# roads?

[charred depot]

yeah

places a car has to be recovered from promptly

We have A roads which could very well be motorways they just arent

[topaz vessel]

Interesting.
I would consider that much safer on a small personal estate, in a low traffic industrial area towing from one location to another.
Etc.
But, I don't know how common tow trucks are in the UK.
Also, definitely need to put any vehicle in neutral.
But since all four wheels are on the ground you do risk potential harm to the transmission and/or differential.
Do the motorways not have a car width shoulder? (I probably haven't spent time on UK roads since ~2010.)

[charred depot]

not always and even so the highways agency will expect you to be recovered prompty

[topaz vessel]

(The Japanese do not have shoulders, but they have very high standards for what qualifies as road worthy and stiff fines for violating those standards.)

[charred depot]

it wont damage it as its a manual

Flat towing is quite common with smart cars, fiat 500's etc behind big caravans.

[topaz vessel]

Oh, it can, depends on how the transmission and differentials are cooled.
Just because the car is in neutral it means the engine is disengaged from the transmission, but does not necessarily mean that the transmission is seeing the cooling it would during normal operation.
Highly depends on how the car is built.

And the transmission and differential do end up turning is these situations.

[charred depot]

Outside of AWD cant think of many manual cars which cant be flat towed.

[topaz vessel]

For example, this is a common thing you'll see in the US:

[charred depot]

not common here but you see it with smart cars and fiat 500's here

[topaz vessel]

But, people who are smart about it frequently disconnect the drive shafts from the transmission to reduce wear and tear on the transmission and diffs while flat towing.

To be fair, if you're only going a few miles, probably not the worst thing in the world.

But, if you're going many 10s or hundreds, which is not uncommon here, that's a lot of wear and tear.

[charred depot]

I know a guy who would A frame cars hundreds of miles

[plucky violet]

yeah super super common

like 10% of the RVs i see do that shit

[topaz vessel]

And, while you say not many cars would be impacted, you are most likely correct.
Though, there are a number of more "performance" or high horsepower cars that may have an oil circulation system for the transmission or differential that relies on the car being on.

[plucky violet]

usually i see people with i forgot the name of but one half of the vehicle isn't on the road

[charred depot]

dolly's are illegal here too

Its hard to setup legally here as under EU law any "trailer" over 750kg requires a brake setup on all axles meeting trailer specs.

[topaz vessel]

Tow dolly.

[plucky violet]

yeah that

its usually on a tow dolly with one half or the entire vehicle off the road on a trailer when i see it

[topaz vessel]

A lot of our tow dollys or tow trailers have brakes, weight limits, speed limits, and so on.

[charred depot]

on all axles the wheels of the car on the ground or on dolly wheels count

[topaz vessel]

AWD you want the whole car off. FWD you want the front off. RWD you want the rear off.

[plucky violet]

ytep

my family just ignores it all together and uses a side by side instead

[topaz vessel]

Basically, any driven wheels should be off.
It puts wear and tear on the transmission and any differentials.
I prefer to be on a tow trailer or flat bed for my cars.

[plucky violet]

we've always driven stuff to location, i guess now the one car we wouldn't is the Lotus we got last year

[topaz vessel]

The other fun one is... you're still putting mileage on the bearings on the non-driven wheels, so there's that wear and tear as well.
Mileage is mileage.

[topaz vessel]

Which Lotus?

[plucky violet]

Lotus super 7

[topaz vessel]

That looks fun.

[plucky violet]

modern recreation of the lotus 7

[charred depot]

put wear on the car's bearings or the trailer its on bearing's its one in the same in the end.

[topaz vessel]

My spouse and I are purposefully aiming for our 1993 Honda Prelude (linked: https://mooncallercars.blogspot.com/search/label/Nausicaa) to be street legal. This way we can drive it to local tracks.
We do not exactly have space for a towing trailer or a vehicle to tow it.

[charred depot]

trailers are a nuisance

[topaz vessel]

Still in progress:

[plucky violet]

nuice

i gotta fix this pile of junk

[topaz vessel]

The blog has a LOT more. But figured I'd show some pics.

[plucky violet]

needs to be entirely rebuilt because it was sitting, everything mechanical however was rebuilt beforehand so it just needs a flush/repainting

body needs to be taken apart, sandblasted and painted

[topaz vessel]

That's not too bad then.

[plucky violet]

so does frame

yep

[topaz vessel]

Okay, that's a bit more involved.

[plucky violet]

and to top it all off original owner rebuilt it with forged rotating assembly

[topaz vessel]

My old neighbor was doing that to one of his projects.

[plucky violet]

might turbocharge it, might just keep it stock

[topaz vessel]

(The down to frame and sandblasting.)

[plucky violet]

im certainly not procharging it

fucking things always go through the hood or have blowers

very limited options with the specific engine

[topaz vessel]

Depends how large you go, but yes.

[plucky violet]

there's not very much internal vertical clearance to begin with, engine really just does not have very many options for supercharging and the like

[charred depot]

my 305 is turbo'd with triple its stock power, you would'nt tell though :^)

still only what will be 150hp

washing cars is my passion

[topaz vessel]

I'm not really a big American Muscle fan...
I tend to respect the people's passion more than the cars...

[plucky violet]

engine in that car is a v8 with 360hp 500lb torque or 680nm

i'm never selling that car

the day it dies is the day the engine block cracks or the frame snaps in half

applicable to all our jeeps too

[charred depot]

Basically all my cars at the moment are diesel's so their hp value is a bit mirrelevant

[topaz vessel]

That said, you might enjoy looking at some of this: https://mooncallercars.blogspot.com/2014/06/fairlane-club-of-america-national-meet.html

It was near my place when I worked in Detroit.

Lots of passionate work on American cars.

[plucky violet]

Those pictures just showed me the exact red i want, nice

i've had so much trouble trying to find a good red

[charred depot]

Sad for America that they didn't embrace the wonders of diesel cars : )

[topaz vessel]

Glad I could accidentally help.

[topaz vessel]

So, interestingly, it's mostly because our emissions standards were higher than Europe's.

And so most of the auto makers did not want to make something that could meet our standards.

[charred depot]

you had vagshite at the same time diesels were being hard pushed here

[topaz vessel]

And... well VW supposedly cracked the code, but you know, Dieselgate...

[charred depot]

scandal happened here too

[topaz vessel]

I'm not value judging diesels, just explaining why they did not catch here.

Mainly it was due to diesel engine manufacturers not being able to meet the emissions requirements set out by the Clean Air Act (and EPA, which was more or less established with that bill, if I recall correctly).
And it was in order to clean up the US's terribly smogged cities.

[charred depot]

it's interesting especially with the love of muh pickup's

a petrol utility vehicle is sort of unthinkable here

[topaz vessel]

What US cities used to look like:

[topaz vessel]

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the pickup truck situation.
There's a lot of stuff being played with fast an loose (read: loopholes) when it comes to emissions on those.

Then there's all the size stuff and so on.

And all the loopholes were originally carved out so that the new laws would not dick over farmers...

But, as you may be able to tell, it's gone well beyond the intended purpose.

[plucky violet]

trucks irritate me

[topaz vessel]

Admittedly the "After" is on a good day.

[plucky violet]

they're sold at like a 70% upcost iirc compared to regular cars and most people who own them, own them because its "trendy"

which in turn, increases the upcost

[topaz vessel]

My favorite term for them is probably: ESV
Emotional Support Vehicles

[plucky violet]

when i buy one its actually gonna be reasonable because of a fifth wheel and contracting, but most people really do not need them lol

[halcyon grotto]

what are they classed as again? Light van or something

[topaz vessel]

There was a study where something like 80% of owners don't use trucks or SUVs to their utility capbilities.
And it's still a minority of the 20% that do so regularly.

[plucky violet]

Yeah

my moms SUV is purely because of how big family is and the carrying capacity, it's capable of holding way more than the smaller chevy options were

[halcyon grotto]

yeah I totally wouldnt buy a car not suited to my needs based on the idea that maybe one day I'll need its full capability glances at V70

[plucky violet]

we only bought chevy because of how big discount was bc of my grandmother being a dealer

Fuck chevy outside of that

Wish ram actually made good chassis/body, they'd be the best trucks lol

everything else is great

[rugged mango]

Using it rarely doesn’t mean it’s not useful to have one, I don’t want to go rent a truck the one time we do actually need one

[topaz vessel]

I think I wrote it up pretty well here, about SUVs and trucks (oddly enough on r/McMansionHell).
https://www.reddit.com/r/McMansionHell/comments/1298jzu/comment/jeo3is6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[rugged mango]

And as someone with an SUV, it’s much nicer than having a sedan, do I use the full capacity 24/7? No, but I like having it for when I do, same with AWD instead of FWD

[topaz vessel]

My spouse and I rent a truck or van about once every two to three years, when we need one.

[plucky violet]

SUVs are definitely nice to have

trucks are iffy because they are so significantly up priced because of people who rarely use them and when they do, a cheaper truck will do the required job

[charred depot]

proper tow vehicle

[topaz vessel]

SUVs are also up priced. By a lot.
The automakers tell us this in their annual reports about profit margins.

[rugged mango]

Now, if someone’s daily driving a f350 dually, yeah, that’s dumb, but an average pick up is no different than a car

[plucky violet]

yeah if you need a truck occasionally i'd say just buy a fuckin tacoma

i hate tacomas but they work

[rugged mango]

We have a frontier, it gets the job done and is still a nice vehicle

[plucky violet]

yeah

certainly alot cheaper than the $60,000 ram, ford and GM bullshit

[rugged mango]

Do we us it 24\7? No, but the 4x4 has saved our ass more than once

[plucky violet]

upper limit pricing 120k? fuckin bullshit

[topaz vessel]

Maybe a Ranger or a Maverick.
I feel like the Taco is bigger now than it used to be. Though I could be wrong about a Ranger.

[topaz vessel]

And yes, it's very different than a car.

[plucky violet]

rangers are nice i really do not like mavericks

[charred depot]

My friend had a 90's ranger, pretty rare here and pretty shit

great if you like sliding

[rugged mango]

Ehh

[charred depot]

they just seem absolutely useless with no weight in the back

[plucky violet]

then again, im biased because i hate the concept of lithium car batteries

aluminum graphene is the way to go, we just can't mass produce it

we're getting there though

[rugged mango]

Yeah, and in the meantime we have to use ole reliable

[topaz vessel]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-are-getting-bigger-are-front-blind-zones-children-rcna52109
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/new-study-suggests-todays-suvs-are-more-lethal-to-pedestrians-than-cars

[rugged mango]

Yes, blame the car for poor drivers

[topaz vessel]

Read.
It's literally about increased blind spots and how the size and where a car strikes a person is more likely to be lethal.

[rugged mango]

And again, a Nissan frontier isn’t exactly a “big truck” and a rav4 isn’t a “big suv”, like I said, extremely big ones are dumb, small ones are no different then a. Car

[topaz vessel]

Truck / SUV =/= Car

[charred depot]

real trucks spin out cars all the time, its just the nature of the beast.

especially common here due to the LHD trucks coming into the UK

not necessarily the drivers being bad but

[plucky violet]

i'd certainly say its more of an issue with the big 3 and top end models

cheaper trucks are almost always smaller

[topaz vessel]

A modern RAV4, due to the higher hood line and lack of slope is literally less safe for pedestrians then its predecessors.

[rugged mango]

Also most modern vehicles are getting sensors and cameras to prevent exactly what your describing, but people don’t like those because they’re an “up charge” that makes them more expensive

[plucky violet]

why would cameras or sensors matter for a head-on collision

your eyes still currently work better than any sensor for shit you can clearly see

[rugged mango]

Yes, but if your describing a “child hiding in a blind spot” then that’s what the sensors are for

[plucky violet]

your entire front end is a blind spot with alot of trucks

[topaz vessel]

You can be in all the denial you want about this, but the statistics and physics are not on your side when it comes to larger vehicles (i.e. trucks and SUVs) being more lethal than ever.
And essentially, all smaller cars have been bulking up and getting heavier and larger to compensate for the energy involved in vehicle on vehicle colisions.

Trucks and SUVs (not just the "big" ones) are increased profit centers for automakers and present increased risk to pretty well everyone else.

[rugged mango]

I’m sure it also has nothing to do with people who drive bigger vehicles are usually worse drivers and a lot of modern drivers are more distracted then ever

[halcyon grotto]

so if the sensor, which supposedly mitigates the issue of the massive blind spots, misses the child and the kid dies is that on the driver

[rugged mango]

Depends on the situation, it’s not cut and dry black and white

[halcyon grotto]

give me a situation in which it wouldnt be the fault of the car then

[topaz vessel]

This is a factor that leads to the increased likelihood of an impact.
This is not a factor in the outcome of said impact.
You understand that, right?

[rugged mango]

If a person doesn’t look when backing out

[halcyon grotto]

that's not the same thing though

not looking != kid sitting in a blind spot

[rugged mango]

Yes, and so is the blind spot issue, which is what we were currently discussing

[halcyon grotto]

completely different issues

[rugged mango]

Okay, explain this, exactly what situation would have a kid in a blind spot, where you never saw him enter

[charred depot]

Im sure theres copious amounts of cases in the US of parents running over their own kids in situations like this is there not

[topaz vessel]

You got into the backing up sensor issue.
I started on this entire premise of larger / heavier vehicles (i.e. trucks and SUVs) are more dangerous and cause more lethal accidents to pedestrians.
Nothing I ever said was limited to backing out.

[rugged mango]

Backing or forward or sideways, any blind spot is what I was discussing, cause that’s what y’all seemed to focus on

[halcyon grotto]

someone is checking their phone, setting up navigation on the infotainment and checking the passenger has a seatbelt on are 3 pretty quick examples definitely nowhere near exhaustive

[rugged mango]

Then who let the child wonder into the blind spot? Cause then it would be their responsibility and failure to monitor the child

[halcyon grotto]

you want parents to put kids on a leash?

[topaz vessel]

That's ignoring my entire statements on hood height, lack of sloping fronts, the injuries that occur when someone is hit.
Blind spots merely make the likelihood of a collission higher.
Lethality is the likelihood someone survives any collision.

[charred depot]

with how tall they are getting it doesent have to be a "child"

[rugged mango]

No I want them to tell them to not stand behind a card, and I want the car to not floor it out of a parking spot, neither of these are unreasonable

[plucky violet]

a major issue is shitty design for the smaller ones, obviously there's limitations because of trucks inherently having worse blindspots but some like a 2019 tacoma if the design got really refined, blind spots would be pretty minimal

[halcyon grotto]

kinda sounding like a cope nwo

[plucky violet]

hood height definitely matters

[halcyon grotto]

couldnt possibly be because the cars have an inherit flaw could it

[charred depot]

the situation happens whether you like it or not.

[topaz vessel]

Period, full stop, SUVs and trucks, are more lethal to whatever they impact than cars.
When you control for everything but type of vehicle, the larger vehicle is more lethal.
So, what I took issue with @rugged mango is when you equated trucks to cars.
They're not the same.

[charred depot]

why bother with all these pedestrian safety improvements on car's when we could just tell pedestrians to pay attention

I drive metal bumpered tat from the 80's so dont exactly have much to stand on

[rugged mango]

What I initially toook issue with is the fact that small trucks/suvs are not much bigger/heavier than large sedans

[charred depot]

a camry weights what 1600kg vs a ranger like 2200kg

[rugged mango]

In fact, a Chrysler 300 is heavier than a rav4

[topaz vessel]

Doesn't matter, because bumper height and hood height have such a big impact on lethality.
Unless you're talking about sedans with really high hoods (like a Rolls Royce or some Bentleys) you're looking at the wrong issue.

[rugged mango]

Then don’t bring up weight if your just going to throw it out

[topaz vessel]

Weight matters a lot in vehicle on vehicle impacts.
As things get heavier everything else need to bulk up to deal with the forces of impacts.
Weight does not necessarily have the same correlation for pedestrian impacts.

[charred depot]

if you look at the typical weight of a sedan and the typical weight of a pickup

obviously there will be outliers

[plucky violet]

your legs being hit and your entire lower and upper body is completely different in a collision

[topaz vessel]

Exactly.

[topaz vessel]

Also, exactly.

[plucky violet]

legs being hit gives energy to transfer which makes your upper body slam on the hood of the car/ or just damage your legs, vs a truck hitting your entire body and just throwing you forward

way less chance for major damage to happen to you from a smaller vehicle

[halcyon grotto]

legs are also relatively non critical

[topaz vessel]

Trucks tend to have a lot of secondary impacts, like bumper to head.
Also, hitting the torso has a lot higher likelihood of spinal cord injury.

[limber pine]

Well darn. Didn't think ild see stuff that reminded me of when I was struck as a pedestrian by a car. But oh well, any idea if I should look towards a hybrid or... Should I just wait and go full electric in a few years. I'm trying to go smaller than my Hyundai Elantra.

[topaz vessel]

Anyways, finished the email I was reading.
So, not abandoning the discussion per se, but my spouse and I are going to go on a 4+ mile walk that includes stopping at our favorite poke place.
Be back later.
o/

[plucky violet]

Hybrid

im never going full electric until battery tech moves off of lithium

[topaz vessel]

Cargo bike if you live somewhere that allows it, with e-assist!

d :

[halcyon grotto]

hydrogen

[plucky violet]

ew

[halcyon grotto]

someone had to be that guy k

[plucky violet]

the infrastructure required for hydrogen is abysmal

[charred depot]

veg oil

[limber pine]

A cargo bike isn't going to take me on the highway to get my groceries.

[halcyon grotto]

but it might be better in 30 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! non issue

[topaz vessel]

I feel sorry for you and where you live that grocery shopping includes a highway trip.

[limber pine]

Is their anything small and hybrid in the USA to look at?

[plucky violet]

yeah after producing hydrogen on location!!!! non issue

[limber pine]

I mean it's a historical farming town.

[halcyon grotto]

exxactly

[plucky violet]

the only way hydrogen becomes practical is if hydrogen gets produced on location

the piping or trucks to deliver hydrogen is disgusting and a waste of resources

[halcyon grotto]

I hear those amish people have pretty sick motors

[plucky violet]

Toyota

[charred depot]

more fast food establishments = more free fuel

[limber pine]

Which is why I am not just pulling the plunge and going electric now since we don't have external power where i rent

[topaz vessel]

Civic Hybrid may still be a thing?
Not sure what else to be honest, I haven't been paying attention.
Some of the Prius are pretty small.

[limber pine]

Toyota what?

[halcyon grotto]

it kinda makes sense depending on country though I think

[plucky violet]

toyota prius

[topaz vessel]

Chevy Volt if you can find one.

[plucky violet]

oh god a chevy

[fading bane]

toyota corolla hybrid

[limber pine]

Did they ever make the Prius more ... Visually appealing ?

[topaz vessel]

The Volt feels like crap to drive, but is actually halfway decent.

[halcyon grotto]

because some countries just dont have a sufficient electricity grid to support a thousand hydrogen generation stations across the country

[limber pine]

And I mean I want a few Chevys Mando... But like older Chevys.

[plucky violet]

it kinda has the same look.. just sleeker

[limber pine]

Did they get rid of the weird rear window hump?

[plucky violet]

i mean yeah for abysmally small countries it'l be good

[limber pine]

Oh heck yeah.

[charred depot]

as awful as they were, the rear visibility was pretty good on the old prius'

[limber pine]

Hopefully it's smaller than my Elantra.

Ideally ild have a smart car again but not in the USA....

[charred depot]

apparently the prius was the most crashed car in the UK at one point. cant say id ever really seen any.

[plucky violet]

toyota corolla hybrid @limber pine

[limber pine]

O.o ... And it's ♥️

[fading bane]

an older one?

[limber pine]

21 Sel Elantra I have 7700 miles on it

[halcyon grotto]

them damn londoners crashing their smugmobiles

[limber pine]

Bought it at 24 miles

[charred depot]

brave to even attempt the act of driving there

[limber pine]

Its just more car than I need.

[halcyon grotto]

brave or just stupid hard to tell

[fading bane]

I would like to have the N one in blue, digital dash and everything

[limber pine]

I honestly would love to go back to my old smart 4-2 passion edition Cabrio barabus special edition

[charred depot]

The A1 was closed last week for roadworks, probably still is so I had to go through Edinburgh city the horror.

[limber pine]

Ild love a nice hard top smart car electric or hybrid but no more smart cars in the USA.

[fading bane]

I saw a Brabus Fortwo once 4 years ago, pretty shocked Brabus had that thing

[halcyon grotto]

I'm sorry you had to go through that 😔

[limber pine]

I mean it was a great car 50mpg.

[plucky violet]

wish all cars went back to looking like they were from the 60s-80s

[charred depot]

My speedo doesent work either, too many speed cameras.

[limber pine]

Ford ranchero / Chevy El Camino revival Mandoets go.

I wanted before I read reviews the Hyundai Santa Cruz but not for me

[halcyon grotto]

you absolute menace lol

[charred depot]

didnt test drive it went to leave, handbrake stuck on

[halcyon grotto]

just stick a couple oven trays under the rear wheels problem solved simple as

[charred depot]

the crawl that it was coming back wouldn't have been much of an issue.

spent a bit hammering it (as quietly as possible) and got it to release

we did arrive earlier but got distracted by other cars like a trabant

Friends got a variomatic daf ebay win coming in which I want, one of the few automatics id quite like.

have to find out how fast we can go in reverse (without rolling it)

https://youtu.be/lLgPTJWAysY

[wraith rivet]

[dusky torrent]

i saw that vid before. you aint terrorizing anything 💀

[charred depot]

its a joke

but I doubt the guys neighbours were happy

[pearl tiger]

nice to get called out for car mods still got tinted lights on my newer car and those are dark and legal. Also my fog lights aren't so bright and will cause accidents by blinding. I've seen modern cars with led daylights that blind more, but that's just my two cents in that convo. Also yellow lights are just for the style. I mean there are designed lights in yellowish against fog tho. Regarding the 150 kmh on country roads? Changed that already ages ago lol. Oh BTW i got two massive subwoofers in the trunk to listen to. But hey i dont need to blast them max volume to enjoy bass. But hey, you know me based on messages from an online portal which you can't take serious.

[wraith rivet]

wat

[dense shard]

Copy pasta?

[fading bane]

i ain't reading allat

[wispy cloak]

Factory new

[misty mantle]

Factory blown*

[wet summit]

my new transmission is in

im buying a trans oil cooler rn

[tired sundial]

Did you try trans fix

[wet summit]

lmao

[tired sundial]

It never helped fix trans kids in America but worth a try

I mean transmissions

We’ll see you on the other side when I get cancelled

[pearl tiger]

@wraith rivet @dense shard @fading bane is related to the before drama conversation

[vital frost]

Nothing can fix that. Total loss

[vital frost]

I liked one yellow one clear headlight on motorcycles. Well not on the new ones. The sports bikes with double round headlights from late 80s up to mid 90s have a classic look I like better before sports bikes had flush headlights

[tired sundial]

We’re all cancelled

[brittle totem]

@stoic ledge Have your brother also experienced cut off while listing to DAB radio in his BMW ? I guess it's because they have started to shut down then 3G network that our car is based on for it's internet connectivity. Just wanted to know if this is a specific problem with our car or it is for every BMW with 3G connection.

[stoic ledge]

His doesn't have DAB 👀

[brittle totem]

Oh I thought that all BMW with the iDrive professional got it after like 2013 when the started with NBT based systems.

[stoic ledge]

Ofcourse not, everything is an optional extra at every level

It's a pReMiUm bMw ofc

Which means nothing comes standard

I've checked the Dutch 2015 pricing list, it doesn't mention DAB 609 Navigation System Professional

[brittle totem]

Well here it was included in tech package which included the iDrive professional, HUD and connected drive services which no longer work since the 3G network is basically dead here.

[stoic ledge]

Found it in the option list, 654 DAB-tuner, separate option, €341

[brittle totem]

How do you go back and look for a specific year spec list ?

[stoic ledge]

I found one randomly online and stored it 😛

There you go

I can see if I can spec it like he has, and see if the prices match

[brittle totem]

Can you check it for the active tourer to ? Found this website to se specific option that is on a specific car an I didn't know that our Active tourer did have that many options on it. https://bimmer.work/vin/v2e66a9a0400ce3b25bd5b9f63c43a340/options/

[pearl tiger]

DAB is such crap

[civic spoke]

I'm a broke ass now.

[brittle totem]

@stoic ledge So this the option you brother e90 didn't have

[tired sundial]

Heat causes expansion. So when the summer heat arrives, make a breathing hole in your tires to allow the expanding air to escape.

[civic spoke]

I drove the loaner E60 through the same turn at speed I normally do.

At around 70 kmh, or a tad below. Then it started hating life.

My E46 does that turn at like 90 kmh.

But I usually just top out the 2nd gear.

@brittle totemI wonder if you can figure out where this is.

[stoic ledge]

Nice thanks Warship

Price list doesn't 100% match up, price list is an additional 2 grand more 🥹

[stoic ledge]

Yeah one of the few things the 3er was missing sadly

The 1er has it

[stoic ledge]

I can try and find it later

[brittle totem]

To easy 🥱 @civic spoke

[civic spoke]

Yeah, it's a distinctive corner.

But love taking it at speed.

[stoic ledge]

150

At least

[brittle totem]

My brother old 330i e92 had this interesting option on it

[brittle totem]

Same with my brother since he got his Abarth.

[brittle totem]

MPH😏

[stoic ledge]

Many have it, just Conformity of Production, production line code

[stoic ledge]

m/s or go home

[civic spoke]

One thing that I'll give the E60. It was really quiet to drive.

So it would swallow freeway miles like it was nothing.

[topaz vessel]

I just watched this and found it pretty neat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBC2WYR3CPI
Basically, the way Lucid built the motor for the Air is they included the differential on the engine output shaft before they do the reduction gears.
This greatly reduces the forces on the diff and let them use a much smaller design.
This is pretty neat, in my opinion.

[brittle totem]

That's what it was build for and I guess that it's does thst very well the 3 series is more meant to be sportier car and the 5 series is for "pure" comfort but it should still handle nicely.

[topaz vessel]

(Yes, I'm the kind of mechanical geek to find these innovations really interesting.)

[stoic ledge]

Oeh Lucid, will watch later

[civic spoke]

Funny enough. I feel like the build quality of my E46 was better.

[brittle totem]

Well my brother old e91 and e92 felt way better build quality wise then my moms f45 so I guess that BMW build quality has gone down trough the years.

The mk8 clubsport edition 45 that my brother company hade is now up for sale with only 2500km on it. And it has the 5000€ akrapovic exhaust system from factory that doen't even sound good 🫠https://www.wayke.se/objekt/3832c09d-aca4-4409-bd1d-5783888c1a7f/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-300hk-edition45-akrapovic-moms-automat?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paidsocial&utm_campaign=56K_Wayke_WxRBranded_Riddermark_AlwaysOn_Performance_CatalogSales_2023-01-03&utm_content=Auto_Carousel_Catalog_SingleImage+WebsiteVisitors180D_SE_All_18-65&fbclid=PAAabKAl27ipPIyMA_Cp0Cg-ozmojBznYhFbfakWXNRF577h011ZIseQqlg9s_aem_AQr5k46eaUTvHac5c6IzQz-8yRzQzbRzbgd1ufSbkD9s0_qc_cQfTFQz0GZFfzaMf86Kdg0ofy8hMPjTBb-MMnBe_QQVApEXGc3qPVcRjwBknA

[halcyon grotto]

Might have made a slight error in my choice of new tyres

These new ones have a kerb protecting lip which I think might have made my turning circle even more boat like

[topaz vessel]

Which tyres?

[halcyon grotto]

Uhh goodyear efficientgrip performance 2

[dusky torrent]

Electric cars are good daily drivers but not geared towards the enthusiast.

[halcyon grotto]

Didn't consider the rim protector thing would be on em

[topaz vessel]

Hypothesis:
Being a performance "car enthusiast" really means being a "tire enthusiast".

[dusky torrent]

Easy

Pirelli P Zero

[halcyon grotto]

Goodyear eagle F1 🤓

[dusky torrent]

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2R 🤓

Or be like whistlindiesel

[topaz vessel]

I currently run Michelin Pilot Sport 4S.

But I am planning on a set of Cup for track.
We also have snow tires...
And may get a set of all season.
The winters here are sometimes kind of mild, so not really in snow tire territory but still not good for the summers.

[stoic ledge]

Got those also on the thicc Meriva

[topaz vessel]

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Efficient+Grip+Performance+RunOnFlat&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=955WR6EGPROF&tab=Sizes
I'm disappointed in Tire Rack for not having performance information on these.

[vocal mural]

μm/s

[vocal mural]

It seems that it will be changed due to new Förbifarten, isn’t it?

[brittle totem]

Well there is a lot of car enthusiast that have an ev as a dalily driver and then some other fun ice car for the weekends.

[stoic ledge]

Tires I'll be picking up this evening have some Nokian tires on them. I know their winter tires are good, idk how their summer tires are

But 7+mm of thread left so that seems alright

[dusky torrent]

Honestly if I was given an EV like a Tesla for a day

I'd be bashing it around and eventually at the end of the day, return it to the lender half functioning

[topaz vessel]

For example, if you look at Tire Rack for the PS4S they have a lot of details on how they performed (scroll down) and you can usually use this to compare different tires you're looking at. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/michelin-pilot-sport-4s

[brittle totem]

Well mostly likely they are changing things all the time at that place.

[topaz vessel]

I've heard great things about Nokian as snow/ice.
I have heard nothing about them in other situations.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah same here

Idk, we shall see

I'll put them on the car tomorrow

[halcyon grotto]

Sounds like a sponsorship issue

[civic spoke]

I would probably never get run flat tires.

[halcyon grotto]

These aren't the run flat ones anyways

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Goodyear/EfficientGrip-Performance-2.htm

It'd these ones

[stoic ledge]

Yeah got those on the Meriva

So far so good

[topaz vessel]

Not usually.
It may be that don't carry the tire in the US and it is not a popular model for them.

[halcyon grotto]

They just don't carry them I think

Seems other US sellers might though

[topaz vessel]

Yeah, for example, all these Goodyear options are rated:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-3
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-all-season
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/goodyear-eagle-f1-supercar-3

[halcyon grotto]

Love that feeling when you wash a car then less than 24h later the birds have undone my work

Serves me right

[topaz vessel]

Ceramic coat + garage = not dealing with that (literal) shit.

[halcyon grotto]

If it was in a garage here I bet a pigeon would sneak in

The main bike shed at work had a family of pigeons living in it for like a full year and they really liked just one of the bikes

[timber oar]

That's when it's time to have chicken for dinner

[charred depot]

I have some goodyear vector all sneesons I got for free, were alright in winter pretty dreadful now.

[timber oar]

Now if i ever get around to getting my convertible mustang i want

[charred depot]

have 2 of them on the front of my 305, they love to aquaplane

[timber oar]

And a bird shits on the soft top and i can't get it out

Then it's war

[timber oar]

Or lord forbid the interior

[charred depot]

I hate convertibles but I live in scotland so

[stoic ledge]

@brittle totem from what year is your F45?

I found price lists of Germany and NL for them, not Sweden but hey it's something

[brittle totem]

2015

[stoic ledge]

So this is a 2014 but probably similar, Dutch price list

Pricing is probably similar if you take away the "Bpm" column

[halcyon grotto]

Volvo v70s are built different

I don't think the difference is very significant most of the increase is just around the rim edge from what I can see

The tyres rub on the arch liner anyway they all do that basically

yes as I said

it is just a volvo built different issue lol

they put a protection plate in place for that specific reason

[brittle totem]

Shit those BMW options are expensive just the navigation plus alone was €2600 back in 2015 wouldn't surprise me if our F45 was specced with options worth more then €10k alone from the factory.

[stoic ledge]

Yes, it's a BMW

[halcyon grotto]

apparently they can fail an MOT because of it but any mechanic that has worked on a volvo before knows the issue is normal

[stoic ledge]

Additionally, my brothers BMW also has ~13k in options on it

[brittle totem]

Meanwhile at VW they just give you all the options for free at least back in 2020 😅

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's also definitely not always the case

Many of those things on there were not standard on all Passats

[brittle totem]

To be fair you could only get this deal on company cars at that time.

[halcyon grotto]

I dont have the spec list of my volvo but I think its basically all stock

[brittle totem]

They included the executive package in the base price but just for company cars so you got nearly €10k in options included for the same price as regular "base" Passat with the 200hp diesel AWD drivetrain.

[halcyon grotto]

compared to the pov spec v70 it cost around 2.5k extra

looking at these old pre inflation prices is sad

only volvo that you could buy today for the same money (after inflation) is the base xc40 or something

[brittle totem]

If it's an older Volvo it's either the momentum which is the base or the summon which is top trim but to be fair even the momentum trim was pretty well equipped to.

[halcyon grotto]

seems for this year V70 the standard levels were S, Sport and SE

[brittle totem]

Yeah here in europe it was either the momentum or summon.

[halcyon grotto]

ah

damn brits with their less cool spec names

[stoic ledge]

You had a P2 right?

We had:

• Nameless base
• Kinetic
• Momentum
• Summum

And then we had special editions, which were all a variation of "Edition"

• Edition
• Edition I
• Edition II
• Edition Classic
• Edition Sport

[topaz vessel]

You'd need one of the fancy ones with the "air scarf".

[stoic ledge]

And even better for Ged, a Peugeot lover... They also had them

[charred depot]

I grudge buying cars with even a sunroof

I know that shit is gonna leak

My BX has a fancy electric sunroof but it is very rotten I daren't try it.

The goofy wind deflector it has aswell : |

[brittle totem]

Forgot about the Kinetic like every Volvo here is at least the momentum trim or above.

[charred depot]

boost controller arrived, time to go blow up my 305.

[halcyon grotto]

have ye

wonder why they used S/Sport/SE here

ig because brits are generally stupid and the only letter that they care about is S

[charred depot]

because we are boring bastards

no zest trim?

[halcyon grotto]

so in the average brit mind you've got S(port), Sport and S(port)E(xecutive) ig

I think we still had the special Ocean Race editions though

[charred depot]

my 305 is base spec but im not missing much heh

[wraith rivet]

Oh lol

[vital frost]

I run cup 2 R for HPDE and when I go to the track on open days

[wraith rivet]

would driving my car about 7 miles of freeway/city on slightly low transmission fluid do anything bad?

[vital frost]

just for the 7 miles? you'll be ok

[wraith rivet]

I took about a cup out from the normal level not a ton

[wraith rivet]

cool ty

I said fuck it I’m taking it to the dealer for a flush and all new fluid and filter

[vital frost]

it's more expensive there but they should do a good job (I hope it's not a ford dealer)

[pearl tiger]

clean boi

[wraith rivet]

Nah lol it’s a Mazda dealer

it’s all in $300 for a full flush + fluid + filter + labor

[stoic ledge]

Depends, not much but some fleet spec cars have it

New wheels who dis

Barely fit lol

[vestal flame]

gy vector line is EU only, in the US the equivalent would be the weatherready or comfortdrive

[misty mantle]

Gotta pull the dash out of my Ranger today to put in a new petal assembly

[plucky flame]

I didnt know ford used flowers for its gas and brake

[misty mantle]

Its a 3-petal truck

Aka a manual

[charred depot]

my goodyear vectors seem to be getting worse as it gets warmer

[plucky flame]

Ive never known a flower to have only 3 petals

[misty mantle]

The clutch and brake petals are on the same bracket

[misty mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-skill-issue-skill-gif-24485644

[topaz vessel]

That sounds like a winter tire compound if it's getting worse.
Most decent all-seasons should handle a wide temperature range and be okay (not great) in all of them?

[charred depot]

I mean they are ok still but

was expecting to be able to stop just in time for the bay

tis a private road

[charred depot]

I got the boost controller on the 305 but im just cooking it adding more boost with the top mount intercooler

[stoic ledge]

That's some sketchy braking, ngl

[misty mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/harley-quinn-gif-26442673

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

over the threshold braking

[stoic ledge]

Curious to see how the Nokian's will perform I just bought, can't find much about them

[charred depot]

I usually have "cheap" Falkens on this which are decent but useless in winter.

[pearl tiger]

i think i got hankook ventus prime 4

[charred depot]

I could do with slightly wider tyres but im not sure if I can live with the heavier steering

I prefer no power steering but it does have its limitations

[stoic ledge]

Really liked the Ventus Prime 3 I have on mine currently

Ventus 4 wasn't out yet by then

Would probably get those for next tires

But I'm not wasting 7+mm tires on my new rims

[charred depot]

problem aswell is I have so many 14" 175 / 185 tyres to burn through

[stoic ledge]

Atleast 10 years old?

Tire performance needs to mature like a fine wine

[charred depot]

nah I have a few basically new sets of 4

[stoic ledge]

Oh

[charred depot]

need to use them before that happens

[stoic ledge]

For some reason I find that surprising for you 😛

[charred depot]

I got the goodyears off the Xantia I bought for the engine

Bought it off the guy for £450, tyres would have been atleast £300

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

he had just fitted them no wear.

We joke because the last time I did a similar thing my engine blew up on the same day

buy new tyres, have catastrophic failure.

[halcyon grotto]

love a good falken

[charred depot]

My spare wheel is period correct

like 20 year old michelin mud and snow.

cool old tread pattern

it does look like someones cut a bit of the rear of my car away

[somber nebula]

New stealth amp behind the glovebox

[wraith rivet]

i was driving a 99 4runner today with not so good brakes and came within 2 inches of rear ending somebody lmao

all of us in the line at the turn light were moving when it turned yellow the person closest started accelerating so i did too cuz i could've made it

then they changed their mind and slammed on the brakes

that light is long

like 3 minutes if you miss it

[ember bobcat]

doing the clutch in the e36 right now and it looks like my car came with the rare pivot pin delete mod!

[timber oar]

Oh wow

Bet that adds extra slop in the clutch to aid in shifting

[sturdy solar]

Is an e46 325ci convertable for 2k (euros) a good deal? Car is in pretty good condition and was still being used a year ago

Has 315k kms tho, 195k miles on it

[stoic ledge]

Before

After

[civic spoke]

Who said an inch doesn't matter?

Drove a Volvo FMX 540 6x4 tipper trailer just now.

Will probably head back to try and drive more stuff.

[jade hamlet]

Shit car. Then shit car with different wheels. Interesting

(nothing against it despite my comments, just imo worth saving money spent on wheels for a nicer vehicle in the long run)

[brittle totem]

He lives in Netherlands every car there is super expensive 🥱