cars

[feral reef]

That seems most likely

But Bjoorn says it does have fog lights 😂

[brittle totem]

That can be the case I can ask him about it tomorrow not sure but maybe they are gone so the previous owner could fit a bigger air intake on it.

[brittle totem]

Maybe im wrong haven't asked him about it I just thought it hade since it has big FOGS button.

[feral reef]

ahh okay

I don't think I've ever used foglights

[brittle totem]

I remember that he got a box with stuff that has been removed or changed when he bought it.

[feral reef]

There are these extremely strict rules on when it's legal to use haha

Which one is this?

[stoic ledge]

695 I think?

[feral reef]

mhhhhh, could be my next car

But nah, not getting rid of the Mxbea5t

[brittle totem]

Well the previous owner said that it went trough the inspection no problems last time.

[feral reef]

I was talking about rules on using the foglights, not having them or not

Oh wait, that's different from just a "695" or "695c"

ah it says "bipisto" or something

so what is the main difference between the 595 and 695?

This is pretty cool

The 3 for sale here are literally all the 70th anniversary editon

[brittle totem]

Yeah I saw one with a very similer spec to that on that car meet.

[feral reef]

I see it, haha

[brittle totem]

Or maybe that's the exact spec.

[feral reef]

I think the 70th anniversary is just always like that?

Green ish

These used 595 Competiziones are very reasonably priced

[brittle totem]

Yeah and they hold their value very good to. I think they have started to go up a bit now since the new on will be electric for some stupid reason.

My brother has already duable the milage on his Abarth since last summer and he has gotten offer for a bit more then he payed for it. But he got a good deal in the first place to be fair.

It's probably a nice for an small EV but for a direct replacement of the current Abarth not sure about that. And if I remember correctly it's a lot more expensive to.

https://youtube.com/shorts/quVlLHnYL4M?feature=share 💀

[tired sundial]

Bluetooth wheel

If it doesn’t work you have to restart it

[brittle totem]

Well but it weights a lot more to so guess that it will not have as good of handling as the regular Abarth's and that's a big part why the Abarth's are so much fun to drive. I would probably just pick the regular 500e over the Abarth 500e and save some money.

[stoic ledge]

Well Mini Electric is still fun to drive

So it's definitely possible

[brittle totem]

Yeah the 500e Abarth will probably be fun to drive to but I don't think it will came close the ice versions of it. And no manual gearbox to that's something that fits that kind of car really nicely. The but Abarth 500e is a bit slower to since it weights so much more.

[molten shard]

New gen GLC is really really nice

[scarlet sundial]

I still hate how big the bezels on the screens in all the mercs are

It looks like a 10 year old iPad glued to the center console and the instrument cluster is even worse

[fathom socket]

Yet they still can't fit my tall ass

Anyways, does anyone have a video of an N54 swapped Miata, or has no one done that yet?

cause i think that'd be hilarious

[molten shard]

These are a lot better

[molten shard]

Cluster is actually laminated tho

[fathom socket]

but can they fit me

cause i tried to sit in the back seat of a lyft and i had to literally slouch the entire ride

and it was a 2020 GLC

otherwise if i didnt slouch my head would hit the roof

[topaz vessel]

Did these have the funky gearbox?
I think they had a sequential manual?
Or am I thinking of a different Fiat 500 variant?

(And correcting myself, since it was already posted, I'm thinking of the 695 Biposto.)

I really don't know how I feel about that racing dash placement...

[wispy cloak]

@civic spoke was your car a takata car?

[civic spoke]

E46 320i

[wispy cloak]

Did it have takata airbags?

[civic spoke]

No idea. But I've gone through the recall.

They checked that out.

[tired sundial]

Personally I still think a 2018 Lincoln black label looks nicer

[plucky flame]

Which one

Any of their cars can be a black label. Its just a trim level.

[tired sundial]

Yea

The navigator is the best

In my opinion Q

[plucky flame]

I like the continental

They stopped making cars though.

My grandpa has a black label continental

Of the last model year

Itd be nice if he got the long wheelbase one with the rolls royce style doors

But they made like 50 of those

Theyre also 116 thousand

[stoic ledge]

They were just jealous of this minivan

Lincoln Continental looks great tho

[silent parcel]

I love the newer continentals

Wish they would bring back the towncar tho

[plucky flame]

Thats what he had before.

[bitter compass]

Nobody ever said, thought or considered it as a feeling in relation to a meriva

[brittle totem]

Or the Mazda MX 30 😏

[tired sundial]

Noice does it have the front message seats

[plucky flame]

Probably

My grandma has a fully optioned ford explorer platinum with those seats. Theyre kinda ass.

Comes out to half the price of that lincoln

[tired sundial]

Yea I see them being ass

Yea if you getting anything ford you get a Lincoln because it’s the better ford

My dad almost bought 2 roush made fords

I had to exsplain to him how the f150 wouldn’t be any faster and how much he would be paying for just a nicer ride

[tired sundial]

Wait until everyone figures out you can buy a Bugatti for $1500

[dusky torrent]

Real

More people should have Bugattis

[stray sandal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nLQscg6PQAc?feature=share

[tired sundial]

Although I kinda spent more than double that on a Segway gt2

[tired sundial]

It comes may 16

I bought it for fun

[topaz vessel]

Interesting that it is not pillarless.

[tired sundial]

First asymmetrical car my ass

Someone needs to shut her up you can’t be that famous and make a false claim

I also don’t see anyone buying this unless they are rich enough to have a personal driver

[misty mantle]

Somehow, Autozone managed to fuck up so bad they sent a part that someone in Illinois ordered to my house here in California and the part my dad actually ordered to who knows where

[tired sundial]

How do they pull that off

[misty mantle]

I have no fucking idea

[tired sundial]

So you order a part in California and they mistake it for Illinois

[topaz vessel]

Typical mad French concept that will never see the light of day.

[misty mantle]

And we needed that part today to get the Bronco II put back together because we have a Bronco II apart in our driveway needing a slave cylinder

that was the part he ordered

[topaz vessel]

So, how do they plan to fix it?

[tired sundial]

She said the first asymmetrical car made like the lotus 11 want older than it

[tired sundial]

Bronco can me have the see

[topaz vessel]

There have been numerous asymmetrical cars over the years.
And yes, all the old "two seater" race cars with aero bulges behind the driver would qualify.
I'm not really giving credence to the headline, it's clickbait.

[tired sundial]

Yea influencers should at least not act like it’s the first of its type it’s annoying

Omg 1400 horse power no way (thoes people are so annoying because you can have more fun with little hours power

Guaranteed I could have more fun riding a 250cc dirtbike

[topaz vessel]

Well, also, it being a concept, I doubt it actually has 1400 HP.

[tired sundial]

Yea

Also why doe they always say the horse power is an even number

Because it doesn’t sound as good as say it has 1421 horsepower

[misty mantle]

My dad is ordering the part we needed in the first place from Napa

We're going to either send the part they sent us back to Autozone or sent it to the intended recipient in Illinois, dunno which

[misty mantle]

?

[tired sundial]

A picture

[misty mantle]

Ah

[tired sundial]

Ye

[tired sundial]

Any roll damage

?

[misty mantle]

Nope

[tired sundial]

Wow

A lot of them get it because some idiot owned it

[misty mantle]

This is probably the 1 Bronco II that hasn't been rolled lmao

[tired sundial]

Lol

[misty mantle]

They have a tendency to roll

[tired sundial]

Ik

[misty mantle]

Ford's solution: A sticker on the driver side visor

[tired sundial]

I’ve driven my uncles he in California to

[tired sundial]

Lol

[misty mantle]

It runs good though. Sat in a barn for 8 years before my parents bought it from the guy that revived it. Reason we pulled the transmission is because leaking valve covers saturated the clutch in oil. We resealed the valve covers before we pulled it apart.

Was really sluggish going uphill

[tired sundial]

That’s epic my uncle bought his after it got rolled so it’s all nice and dented

[tired sundial]

Fun

[misty mantle]

Thats why we're doing a clutch on it

[tired sundial]

Noice although how is it driving in the hills in California

Them curvy roads

[misty mantle]

Pretty good, though I think the alignment is slightly off. If I have the wheel completely straight, it wants to pull to the right

[tired sundial]

I think people roll it because they get comfy with the car and they don’t think it would roll until it fdoes

[fathom socket]

Man

Plastics started to melt In My peugeot

[fast escarp]

hey, is there a rich guy here? who can fund my discord server a bit? please?

[wispy cloak]

We're car owners

We have no money

It all goes into cars

Also I reprogrammed the remote windows back in

[misty mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[topaz vessel]

Hey now, I have other vices!

[misty mantle]

This is a chat for cars, not for poor bums to ask for funding for a discord. Why do you even NEED funding for a discord server? Those are free

[wispy cloak]

If you want to fund something then fund my bmw

I need parts

The head gasket farded

[misty mantle]

BMW moment

[wispy cloak]

M52TU moment

I also need to see if I have takatas or not

Shouldn't take very long to pop the airbag out

[misty mantle]

If you have the recalled ones, once you get them replaced, if they don't want the old ones, pop 'em

[wispy cloak]

I'll keep them for the apocalypse

They're basically claymores

[misty mantle]

They will launch tires pretty far up

[wispy cloak]

Yeah

This will also shoot metal shrapnel if it is a takata

[misty mantle]

Possibly*

[misty mantle]

https://www.bmwusa.com/safety-and-emission-recalls/takata-airbag.html

@wispy cloak

[wispy cloak]

Mine is in the list of years affected but the vin says it isn't

But I figure that I'll take it out just to check

[misty mantle]

Yeah, better safe than sorry

[fast escarp]

79 bucks maybe? Please? if what i am trying works out then i'll pay you back. only if it works out tho?

[wispy cloak]

I have no money

I have a lot of parts to buy

I need a head gasket kit, head stud kit, and possibly a timing kit

[fast escarp]

oh

sorry for the trouble dude, hope you didn't mind

[tired sundial]

Does anyone know if it’s a good recommendation to my friend to get a 2012 Honda civic hf (she’s no mechanically inclined)

[tired sundial]

Lmao 100% agree my bank account hates me

[tired sundial]

Discord is free I hate to break it to you

[fast escarp]

Sorry that i didn't clear it before, I need some money for a bot

Actually i really don'tlike the bot profile pictures

so I am tryin to develop most of my bots

[tired sundial]

Write a bot yourself just ask chat got to give you scripts

[fast escarp]

even making a model for moderation of my server using machine learning

but I initially used mee6

and it is really integrated into my server

and now i can't just dump it

plus some plugins that i has are beyond my capabilities, not gonna lie

thats why

[tired sundial]

Chat gpt your problems

[fast escarp]

uhh, actually if you try ityourself, then you'll know what the acttual problem i am facing

[misty mantle]

You can change bot pfps

[fast escarp]

chat gpt doesn't write the whole code, no?

yeah, but for that i must get premium

Me=Broke

[tired sundial]

Mow your neighbors yard

[misty mantle]

Sell some stuff

[tired sundial]

EZY 45 bucks

Also why in car chat you ask for money

[misty mantle]

Yeah, We spend all our money on our cars

[tired sundial]

#off-topic was made for a reson

[tired sundial]

My car is my money

[fast escarp]

Kidney? Heard that it sells for quite some bucks

[tired sundial]

Lmoa

[fast escarp]

Sorry for the trouble guys, am new in this server

[tired sundial]

Bro watch the video on body parts to sell to buy a pc

[fast escarp]

Yeah, apparently selling some part of your liver can make you quite some money

[tired sundial]

Your good next time ask in #off-topic and if there’s a car community just assume they have all their money into cars

[fast escarp]

well okay

[tired sundial]

Dm

?

[fast escarp]

what car do you drive tho?

[tired sundial]

Honda Civic is my daily I’m about to buy anew Lexus real soon I got offer on my old house

[fast escarp]

Hmm

have you done any mods to your civic maybe?

btw, which model have you got?

[tired sundial]

Turbo kit

2010

[fast escarp]

How much does it make?

2010hp?

[tired sundial]

Naw mate 2000 that would kill me

[fast escarp]

got me scared for a sec there

so how much power does it make?

[tired sundial]

I think 200 at most

[sinful creek]

I like how you join a server just to ask "rich" people for money

[misty mantle]

I highly doubt the stock internals would be able to handle that

[tired sundial]

I bearly made it faster

[fast escarp]

crank or wheel?

[tired sundial]

I’d die

[fast escarp]

am sincerly sorry, ik that really makes me look bad

[tired sundial]

If I say crank woul you be mad

[fast escarp]

It's alright dude

[tired sundial]

Lol

[fast escarp]

so you'll be buying a lexus, huh?

[tired sundial]

Once I sell house

[fast escarp]

hmm, how much will you be selling it for tho?

[tired sundial]

Because 2 house payments ain’t fun

[fast escarp]

hmm

[tired sundial]

I’m after 280 on the house

[wispy cloak]

I need to start ordering parts for the bmw

[fast escarp]

dude that's good yk

280k is really nice

[tired sundial]

In branson it was

[fast escarp]

which lexus are you planning to get?

LFA?

[tired sundial]

LS 350

[fast escarp]

slick car

[tired sundial]

LFA is over hype

[fast escarp]

went a bit far with LFA, huh?

[tired sundial]

Yea and I have cousins

I’m not getting a 2 seater if I’m driving poeple around

[fast escarp]

hmm, a family man

appreciate it

It was a good talk

i'll get going

[tired sundial]

I have to leave

Lol

[fast escarp]

again, sorry for the trouble

byee

[tired sundial]

Yes

Accept frien

[fast escarp]

will get back to it later

[civic spoke]

Oh, I remember seeing an LFA a few weeks back.

[wraith rivet]

family man?

man = guy

family guy

[fathom socket]

Try holding the reset trip button when turning on ignition

At least that worked on my old car

[stoic ledge]

There's one in the display yeah

I think pressing the trip button 3 times short and then 4th time holding it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV_aeB7jtEI

Yeah so turn on ignition, 4 buttons fast on the 4th hold for 15s

[topaz vessel]

No reason I can think not to.
She should have it go to a mechanic for a checkup first.

[tired sundial]

Its one of my friends i dated i while back in 7-10th grade i just dont want her to be dissapointed if it like breaks down

and i dont live near her anymore

[wraith rivet]

Honda good

Mazda good

Toyota good

[tired sundial]

yea ive owned two civics

[topaz vessel]

Those are rather rare.

[topaz vessel]

Most decent private sellers will let you take it to a mechanic of your choosing.
If buying from a dealer, you can try...
But they'll do real sketchy shit, so I'd only buy certified pre-owned with a warranty people have had good experiences with.

[tired sundial]

yea it a pre owned not private dealer and i dont live near her anymore

[topaz vessel]

Okay, well, she's an adult buying a car...
So she can find a mechanic she likes and ask to take the car there prior to purchase, no?

I don't see what you living near her has to do with her purchase process.

[tired sundial]

It’s her first car

[topaz vessel]

And that changes best practices when buying a used car how?

[tired sundial]

I could be there to help her

[tired sundial]

She wouldn’t understand

[topaz vessel]

The results?

[tired sundial]

Oh well I think it would be a good car

[topaz vessel]

She can use a phone and send you what the independent mechanic comes up with, right?

[tired sundial]

Yea I’ll ask her to

[topaz vessel]

When my then girlfriend, long since wife, went to buy her first car I had her take it to a mechanic.
She was in Delaware, the car was in Albany, NY, and I was in Michigan.
The mechanic looked it over for rust, electrical malfunctions, indications of oil leaks, any error codes, etc.

This is a normal best practice to prevent oneself from buying something in ill-repair that is going to require a lot of work.

[tired sundial]

Yea I’ll ask her to take it to a mechanic

[misty mantle]

Found out the clutch in my Ranger is actually fine, it was just the throw out bearing that seized and fucked the slave cylinder

[tepid wing]

Is the Bolt still the cheapest EV?

[wet summit]

added an inverter

my gf shoes lmao

[dusky torrent]

Yeah

I prefer the sound over a BMW 6 cylinder over an electric motor though

And a Porsche 6 cylinder

[tepid wing]

I prefer the sound of EVs.

[dusky torrent]

And a Ferrari 12 cylinder

[tepid wing]

So much less noise.

[dusky torrent]

Mate

You've obv never heard what a novitec 812 sounds like

Exhausts with good tone > loud exhausts

But the novitec has both

[tepid wing]

No exhaust and no explosions > exhaust and explosions

[dusky torrent]

I don't understand

Because I like cars that have normal engines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine

[tepid wing]

I've never heard a car that I liked the sound of until I heard a hybrid in EV mode.

[plucky violet]

You just haven't found the right engine then

[tepid wing]

Including porches and the like.

[dusky torrent]

Now a

No way

No way a porsche flat 6 doesn't sound good

[plucky violet]

American muscle v8s are just the way to go

[tepid wing]

Like chargers, mustangs, GTs, etc.?

[plucky violet]

yes

[tepid wing]

They all sound worse than the quiet hum of electric.

[dusky torrent]

I like the supercharger whine of the hemi engines

Bro must be trolling now

[tepid wing]

No.

[plucky violet]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ix0j56r0hI0

[dusky torrent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine The best

[dusky torrent]

Very nice idle

[plucky violet]

yeah just trying to determine whether i should keep a stock or go Borla like that guy did

[tepid wing]

EVs sound better, have better torque, respond faster, more efficient and can do really cool stuff with the motors that ICE just can't.

[plucky violet]

bought it for 11 grand, thing is a rustbucket that needs completely rebuilt body wise, the engine/transmission however were rebuilt before it sat for 10 years so it just needs a flush and repaint

[dusky torrent]

Nah you're actually trolling. EVs don't even make a sound

[tepid wing]

They do.

[plucky violet]

That torque thing is wrong

If you're talking about gasoline, sure

[tepid wing]

I mean yeah.

Diesel is completely different.

[plucky violet]

a ram truck has nearly double the torque of something like a cybertruck

[dusky torrent]

I wonder if modding EV motors is a thing

[tepid wing]

The cybertruck is a joke.

[dusky torrent]

Like how people add power to an ICE

[tepid wing]

It is, but it's about using them in other cars for conversions.

[plucky violet]

you can mod them all you want, just not on most of the mainstream companies because of software locks

[dusky torrent]

Software locks 💀

[tepid wing]

Yeah that sucks, but you can do that with ICE too.

[plucky violet]

yeah the car just bricks if you mod it past a certain point

[dusky torrent]

I have a hot take

The BMW S85 doesn't sound good

[plucky violet]

yeah it doesn't

it's loud and it purrs but it doesn't have a good rumble

[tepid wing]

I hope I can get a Bolt.

[plucky violet]

🤮

The only thing going for it is that it's $12,000 cheaper than a tesla

[tepid wing]

Hey, cheap, EV, Comma works with it.

[plucky violet]

(its a chevy, ugly and has worse range)

[tepid wing]

I don't need much Range.

Also I wouldn't buy a Tesla even if I could afford it.

I'd get a EV6 or something.

[plucky violet]

how is it 50 grand with 310 mile range

[tepid wing]

I dunno, but that's better than the Bolt.

[dusky torrent]

A car I can always recommend to someone on a budget is Toyota/Lexus

As you know, they are quite reliable and low maintenance

[tepid wing]

Yeah fair.

[wet summit]

that mf said he prefers the noise of an ev over a 6.2 hemi 😔

the world is ending before our eyes

mf doesn't even like the sound of a 6.0 roaring through a forest

the blow off valve after a big turbo 6.7 cummins burnout

blower surge on a 350

[tepid wing]

I've always been weird.

I've always preferred things quieter. The sound system on the car I have access to goes up to 80, I only turn it up to 12 or 20 on aux because that's super quiet for no apparent reason.

CRTs give me headaches from the buzzing of the electron gun coils.

[ornate viper]

yeah, I'll make sure to make my car as load as I legally can while I still can

right now I just got a stock A4 1.8TQ (2003 model) though, but with some work it can be a nice car, especially considering what you pay

[brittle totem]

Yeah but I guess used Tesla's has gone down a lot in price after the recent price drops.

[tepid wing]

I still don't want one.

So much QC pain.

[ornate viper]

idk, feel like Tesla is very hit or miss, some people love them, some people hate them

most of the people I know that has them are happy with them

[brittle totem]

It's not just torque the thing with ev's is that they all there power avaible instantly which make them feel way faster then as equivalent fossil car. In terms av acceleration.

[ornate viper]

do you have an EV, BJOORN?

thought you had a BMW 😮

[brittle totem]

Software/ecu locks is something that is used on newer fossil cars to prevent tuning them.

[brittle totem]

Nope i don't but I have nothing against ev's at all.

[brittle totem]

Yup here in Sweden they have done survey and 88% of the Tesla owners would buy one again so they seem happy with their cars.

[ornate viper]

yeah, you shouldn't, at least not for reasons like "oh it doesn't make sound" 😛 Personally I find them boring, and I find excitement in proper engine sound, but EV would still be preferred in some scenarios

[ornate viper]

that's a lot, considering most people who actually answer this type of thing are people who has something to complain about

[plucky violet]

I can get around that, with electrics like tesla its an absolute pain in the ass

[plucky violet]

Not my point

[brittle totem]

It depends on what you compare to them like An id7 will most likely be more fun to drive then you regular Passat. But for a sports car an ice car would be way more fun to drive right now compared to ev sports car.

[ornate viper]

not really much point in "proper engine noise" when you can barely hear the engine though, so I meant engines that make noise, such as sports cars

I drove a Model 3 for a couple weeks, I liked it, was a nice car to drive, maybe even a little fun with the acceleration

but it's still nothing like driving the 3.0 TDI A4 I had before I had to let it go

even though my 3.0 TDI didn't have particularly insane sounds

[plucky violet]

the only excitement i've ever felt from an EV is how fast it accelerates

it can be replicated with combustion engines

[civic spoke]

Your average EV is leaps beyond your average ICE in terms of acceleration.

[plucky violet]

yeah after you spend 40 grand on one

[civic spoke]

That's sadly the problem.
The price of entry into EV is so much higher.

[plucky violet]

ICE will always be cheaper

[civic spoke]

I believe this also.

[plucky violet]

bigger industry for it for one and the fact that it doesn't require making a complex electric motor and the required systems for it

ICE you can just throw axles, an engine and a transmission together

[civic spoke]

EV will never become super affordable, due to how expensive the core components are.

[plucky violet]

it'll eventually be affordable

just will always be 3x the cost of an ICE

[tardy harbor]

EV's dont need transmissions, diffs or driveshafts

[plucky violet]

the labor required is more and the components required are harder to acquire

[civic spoke]

Most EV's have a differential and drive shafts.

If they just have a single motor, then they require something to split the power.

[plucky violet]

Hybrids are more practical than anything

[ornate viper]

batteries are the main problem with EVs as far as I've understood

[plucky violet]

yep

its cause we're still trying to find a method to mass produce aluminum graphene batteries

[civic spoke]

Lots of nasty work required to obtain it.

[plucky violet]

they're doing it for phones now but they still need to advance it enough for cars

3x the capacity and 10x the charging rate

If porsche manages to figure out their eco-fuel there's gonna be no point for EVs until we have aluminum graphene batteries

even then, hybrids will be a huge competitor

[civic spoke]

We don't really need higher charging rate or capacity for your average EV's. Honestly.
At least not for daily drivers.

[plucky violet]

the batteries are also lighter

[civic spoke]

If you're doing 200 km's a day, then you can easily replenish that with a slow charge overnight.

[plucky violet]

lithium is hard to mine and costly at that

[civic spoke]

But that's the problem, takes a long time to charge that slowly.

But we need more infrastructure for slow charging.

[plucky violet]

we need to advance aluminum graphene

lithium is outdated and impractical

[civic spoke]

Cheap, available, slow chargers.

[plucky violet]

it charges slow, weighs a ton, is very flammable, hard to excavate it/refine it, can't be recycled and has an inferior capacity

[civic spoke]

Hell. I would be able to live with <100 km range if I had the ability to charge on the daily.

[plucky violet]

no need if you have a car that has a 1500 km range

[ornate viper]

but one of the main points is to move away from oil as much as possible - but the only way that will ever happen in reality is if it's actually cheaper. At the end of the day, we only give a f if it's cheaper.

Just like there are probably just a insignificant amount of people who bought EVs to protect environment. Rest of us bought it to save money, couldn't give two fs about the environment lol

[plucky violet]

the day it becomes cheaper is the day we dont have oil

[ornate viper]

oh we will have oil still, but perhaps not for fuel

[plucky violet]

hybrids also have double the gas mileage of a typical car, so its good for the environment and for your wallet

[ornate viper]

but before this can be rolled out globally, we need to make progress with our infrastructure and technology of electricity and power grids

[plucky violet]

advocating for more EVs right now is just worsening the environment because of what lithium excavation does

[civic spoke]

1,500 km's is honestly more than anyone needs from a normal car.
That would mean that you had a 100 liter tank or something like that. And most manufacturers would cut the size to half that to save on space and weight.

[plucky violet]

it's better to advance the battery tech and use that instead of lithium

[civic spoke]

PHEV would be great, tbh

But even with a PHEV, then you would ideally want to plug it in on the daily.

[ornate viper]

but at the same time, you need the marked to shift towards EVs still, otherwise the funding will shift towards some other tech, because that's how you make money

[plucky violet]

EV companies are not the major companies developing aluminum graphene

aluminum graphene as a battery is good for everything

[ornate viper]

yeah, that's fair, but still

[plucky violet]

its safer, 3x the capacity, 10x the charging rate and it weighs less

[ornate viper]

car industry will still need to be on EVs, otherwise they will have shifted towards something else, and we'll never get back to EVs

[civic spoke]

Sucks that battery technology is basically stone age compared to everything they power.

[ornate viper]

yeah

[plucky violet]

battery tech isn't stone age

it's very advanced

its just crippled by lithium

look at first gen lithium batteries and now

[ornate viper]

it was probably more of a figure of speech tbf 😛

but battery tech needs to advance, otherwise there is probably no future for EVs

[plucky violet]

diesel engines are something that should always stay

[civic spoke]

When you compare how much batteries have advanced compared to the technology surrounding them, then batteries are a joke.

[plucky violet]

biodiesel absorbs more carbon than it emits

[plucky violet]

look at a electric motor from 1940 and one from today

not much difference

[civic spoke]

That's also true. The core is similar.

But what I mean is if you look at your phone, for example.

A big reason why batteries lasted longer for phones wasn't always that battery tech improved.

It was more so because the phones itself became more efficient.

[ornate viper]

idk, it depends on the technological advancements and what's more sensible

[plucky violet]

biodiesel existing as a fuel makes diesel engines relevant

[fathom socket]

I just bought a new engine today after blowing a whole in the piston of my old one. I can't wait to bring my bby back

[civic spoke]

Diesel will stick around for many, many years so come.
Since we're so relying on it so much for moving products.

Not to mention freight ships.

[ornate viper]

what we should be looking more into is our mentality about money/materialism (on a global scale I mean), so not the cheapest alternative wins, but the best alternative that's sustainable, both financially and environmentally etc. This applies to everything we do though, not only cars

the consumerism we practice now is absolutely madness tbh

[civic spoke]

So you're saying that I shouldn't take 108 month loan on a brand new Mitsubishi Mirage?

But honestly.
Modern cars are able to last for such a long time now.

[fathom socket]

What about wood gas cars? Obviously everyone wouldn't be able to keep up with maintenance but for people capable of being independent I would rather steer that direction then electric

[tardy harbor]

dont take out a loan for a car at all id say

[fathom socket]

Covid had cars spike up in price for a bit but I see running square body's for 2k all the tins

[civic spoke]

I will try to use gasoline cars for as long as possible, until I switch over to PHEV/EV.

[fathom socket]

*Time

Syngas!!

[civic spoke]

That just needs to be mass produced so that it becomes affordable enough.

[fathom socket]

U can produce it at Home

[civic spoke]

At what kind of quantities?

[fathom socket]

There are book for welding one up urself

Enough to heat ur house and produce Enough gas for a car

It depends how much wood u can burn and how many tank u have to store the gas

Obviously heavy modification required but possible none the less

[civic spoke]

Okay, but if I'm burning wood to get gas.
Then it defeats it from an environmental standpoint.

[fathom socket]

https://youtu.be/Bvl5XxVVjDM

[fathom socket]

ull be fine

[brittle totem]

That's basically what I just said for you regular car i don't se the point with an having an "regular" ice over an ev if you can afford an ev. But for a sports car there is a different story ev is just to heavy for that at the moment and no gear shifts and sounds doesn't make it as exciting as an ice car.

[brittle totem]

Yeah list price wise but in total cost of ownership on a ev will mostly always be cheaper if you compare an equivalent Ice car compared to an ev. But the ev prices is going down quite fast now at least Tesla's and they are the company that sells most of the ev's world wide.

[plucky violet]

yeah thats mainly because of companies producing out Crap designs

[civic spoke]

Price of ownership with EV's goes down FAST compared to ICE.

[brittle totem]

Well it mostly the battery that is expensive now the rest isn't that much more expensive then what it on gas car.

[plucky violet]

out of 200,000 miles i've only ever had to do gasket changes on my jeeps 4.0 i6

[civic spoke]

200,000 miles would mean at least 40~50 oil changes.
Something you wouldn't have to deal with for an EV.

[brittle totem]

It's not like a Tesla model 3 is 3x more expensive the an BMW 3 series the Tesla is most likely cheaper then BMW 3 series with the same equipment and equivalent amount of power.

[fathom socket]

oil is cheap

[ornate viper]

yeah, what I was getting at is that it was kinda given from the message you replied to that I meant sports-like engine etc ^^

[fathom socket]

how are u urself gonna be able to repair a battery withought buying a new one\

[plucky violet]

you're ignoring used prices and the fact that i can buy a car in perfect working condition for $4,000

[civic spoke]

What's cheaper?
Something that's cheap.
Or something you don't have to deal with?

[ornate viper]

that idk about, probably doesn't start with us, probably starts with huge corporations

and government regulations

global agreements etc

[plucky violet]

EVs cannot be maintained by the average person, upfront cost will always be more than ICE

[fathom socket]

? ur car still has bearing, a frame, a differential, suff that moves its not like its not gonna have matnince

[plucky violet]

depends on the EV ^

[fathom socket]

its juts gonna be hella expensive for u know

[civic spoke]

Most people can not, and does not maintain their own vehicles, tho.

[plucky violet]

Why would you ever take a 9 year loan?

that's just a bad idea

[ornate viper]

EVs are generally way cheaper to maintain, depending on which one you get ofc, but if done right, there are a lot less things to maintain

[plucky violet]

you can maintain an ICE car with 10 minutes of youtube research

you cannot do that with an EV

[ornate viper]

not necessarily correct, either of those statements

[plucky violet]

the only stuff you're doing yourself maintaining an EV is the stuff it shares with an ICE

brake pads, fluids, oil

[brittle totem]

Well if you can charge it overnight it doesn't matter if it takes 30mins or 8 hours it will be done before you are ready anyways for the next day.

[ornate viper]

probably yeah, but realistically though, how many car owners actually maintain their own vehicles? you can barely do any maintenance on newer vehicles without needing specialized equipment/tools

[plucky violet]

Why are you referencing newer vehicles

used vehicles dont fall off the face of the earth

[ornate viper]

most people I know want to never have to turn a screw in their car, and just let the shop do it for them

[civic spoke]

Yupp.
And slower chargers is generally better for the grid. Since it's less strain on it.

[ornate viper]

because sooner or later these newer vehicles will be what 20-30+ year old vehicles are to us today

[plucky violet]

our grid shouldn't be needing to worry about that kind of strain (our entire electric grid is completely outdated)

[plucky violet]

yeah and i can still go buy a car from the 70s, 80s or 90s and use it

the day they stop working is when the engine block cracks or the frame turns to dust

[ornate viper]

you can, but spare parts will eventually be a huge issue, and the average person does not do this

point is the entire industry keeps moving away from us doing our own maintenance

[civic spoke]

What I mean is that if you want to charge 50 vehicles at once, then the current grid is able to do that albeit slowly.
With DC fast charging. Then you'd just be able to charge 5 of them.

[plucky violet]

by that point we're not gonna be using personally owned vehicles to the point where it matters anymore

[ornate viper]

maybe

[civic spoke]

Fast charging makes sense where you want to rotate the vehicles quickly.
Get them in, charged, and out quickly.

[plucky violet]

as said before the only stuff i really needed to change was gaskets and oil

spark plugs

[ornate viper]

none of those are needed to change at all on an EV

[plucky violet]

it'd still be able to charge all of them in the same amount of time

[brittle totem]

Not really a modern diesel consumes less then hybrid since the hybrid need to carry way more weight then regular ice car.

[civic spoke]

You may think that those are easy to change. But your average consumer doesn't know the difference between different oils. And why you couldn't just use any old oil.

[fathom socket]

its not to late to start learning

people doubt other people to much

[ornate viper]

I just don't see the point of "you can't maintain your own EV, but you can maintain your won ICE" tbh, it's not really a good point considering how insignificant the amount of people who self-maintain their cars are, compared to the amount of people who don't

[plucky violet]

most diesels are like 25mpg, i can find hybrids from 2000 with 50mpg

[fathom socket]

they just need to be put in a situation where a shitty car is all they got. Then learning how to fix it comes east beucaues u actually have to

[civic spoke]

Hell. I've heard a story about a customer who wanted their oil changed and topped off.
And then they came back saying "It wasn't full of oil! So I added a bunch of quarts so that it was topped off"
They later ended up with a broken engine.

[plucky violet]

because when money matters you will maintain it yourself

[ornate viper]

time = money, maintenance = time

[brittle totem]

Most people don't even need more then 500km of real world range. It's a good thing to take brake after driving for that long anyway and then you can just charge it for like 30mins and then continue on your trip.

[ornate viper]

most people don't have time to maintain their own personal vehicle

especially if they also have to learn it too

the amount of tools etc you need that you probably don't have also isn't particularly cheap

[civic spoke]

Not to mention that they don't have the space to maintain it.

[fathom socket]

it takes half a day to do most minor repairs and if u pick a car like a ford they make haynes manuals which is a step by step guide on how to diagnose and maintaine ur car

[plucky violet]

you can find decent kits for $50-150

[ornate viper]

yeah

[plucky violet]

if you can park the damn car you have the space

anything that would require more than that would warrant the mechanic (pulling an engine out)

[fathom socket]

u can rent them and take them back at most places

[civic spoke]

I'm literally not even allowed to wash my car on my street. (:

[fathom socket]

also buying tools is a good thing

[plucky violet]

hahhahahaha

HOA?

[ornate viper]

still way too much time for the average person

[fathom socket]

na

[ornate viper]

only if you intend to use it

[plucky violet]

yeah i can buy a decent kit for like $50, at most $150

[fathom socket]

go to a pawn shop

[plucky violet]

not when you depend on that method of transportation

[fathom socket]

get mine for cheap af

[plucky violet]

if you need it, you will find a way

[fathom socket]

hell yes!

[civic spoke]

Basically. I did it once, nagged at me "You're polluting! All dirt and oils get washed away!"

[plucky violet]

with the right car that maintenance will also take no longer than two hours

[ornate viper]

wtf you mean na? majority of people I know don't want to do it themselves, I even know people who know how to do this stuff, but still don't care to do it themselves, because it takes too much time

[fathom socket]

na

lazy then

[ornate viper]

lmfao okay

[fathom socket]

lol

[plucky violet]

yeah i wouldn't give af unless the EPA showed up on my door for using harmful chemicals to clean it

[civic spoke]

Ohh boy. You all are going to be mad at me. Next week I have a service time for my E46.

[plucky violet]

if people wanna complain about pollution go yell at the air force for polluting hawaiian groundwater with jetfuel

[ornate viper]

depends what kind of soap etc you use though

[plucky violet]

yeah it does but people also talk about the stuff that accumulates on the car

[civic spoke]

Could I technically do all of the shit needed done to my own car? Yeah, sure.
But paying someone to do it for me means that I can earn money while doing so.

[plucky violet]

which shouldn't really matter cause it was gonna find its way off the car one way or another

[ornate viper]

that's a bit too over towards the extreme

[plucky violet]

yeah exactly

people complain about you just washing your car to find something to do with their miserable lives

[ornate viper]

that's like telling people who breath twice as much as someone else they pollute too much by breathing unnecessarily

[plucky violet]

and are people making $15 an hour in the same position as you? can they afford to spend 4 hours of their wage per hour to have someone do the work they could have done?

[civic spoke]

I normally just wash my car at the local gas station that has a do-it-yaself wash. Along with a car lift.

[plucky violet]

mechanics typically are paid upwards of $60 an hour

if you can do the maintenance yourself in the same time and your job pays you less than the mechanics get paid, it's worth it to do it yourself

[ornate viper]

not here, $20-30/hr usually

[fathom socket]

well if ur in that position work on ur own car on ur own time

[fathom socket]

still good wage

[civic spoke]

If I were able to, then I would totally work on my own car.
But I'm not in that kind of a position.

[ornate viper]

personally though, I've tried to maintain my own car using YouTube, and man is it a bumpy ride lol, so many small things can go wrong that's just so annoying

[fathom socket]

its fun in my opinion

[civic spoke]

And honestly? Most people aren't in a position where they are able to work on their own vehicles.

[fathom socket]

i belive they can work there way up there

[ornate viper]

I agree, as long as you don't depend on the damn thing working next morning, then it's just stressful

[plucky violet]

literally the only requirement to work on your own vehicle is a $50-150 toolset

and time, but why would you work on weekends?

[ornate viper]

imagine laying under your car in your drive way during winter, trying to replace your broken gearbox

[fathom socket]

at most u need 400$ worht of tools to do everything u need to ur car all the way down to disassembling it to the writs pins

[ornate viper]

yeah, when else are you gonna party with all your friends!?

[civic spoke]

Or any time of the year.

[fathom socket]

only takes 4 hours, somtimes u gotta do stuff u dont like

[ornate viper]

well, sure, but especially the winter 😛

[fathom socket]

my fuel pump went out when it was coverd in ice but i managed

[civic spoke]

What happens when you have to replace something that you didn't think needed replacing?

And your vehicle is up on jack stands?

[fathom socket]

build a cousion of money for emergencys

[plucky violet]

the only way i wouldn't work on my car myself is if i was physically incapable of doing it

[plucky violet]

same thing the mechanic would do?

[fathom socket]

that does suck though ongod

[plucky violet]

order the part

[ornate viper]

no, it doesn't, I tried to change the wheel hub on my A4 B8, and it took me a full day to do so, and it was such a headache to get it done

[plucky violet]

your local mechanic doesn't have a magic warehouse where he can grab any part he wants at any time

[ornate viper]

had to use blowtorch and everything, even manage to ruin a couple bolts, so had to cut them off

[ornate viper]

many of them have next day delivery, at least here

[civic spoke]

Oh, but here I thought you were in the camp of doing everything yourself!
Why pay someone to deliver it to you when you can just get it yourself!

[fathom socket]

well if ur know what ur doing ahead of time a trammision espicially in a truck should only take 4 hours

or suv

[ornate viper]

but I agree, parts shouldn't be the main problem of maintaining your own car

[plucky violet]

since when does order mean order it to get delivered?

[fathom socket]

autozone next day delevery!

[ornate viper]

I knew what to do ahead of time, and it's not the first time I've done things like it either

[plucky violet]

thats next dayt

[civic spoke]

Okay. So how are you obtaining this part that you ordered?
Are you going to drive there when your vehicle is inoperable?

[ornate viper]

it was just so god damn stuck, and so god damn tight, could barely fit tools where I needed to

[plucky violet]

walk there, or get it delivered

My entire point was that its cheaper to do it yourself

(deliveries are often free or are very low cost)

[ornate viper]

not necessarily an option lol

[fathom socket]

thats fair

been there with a water pump

[ornate viper]

yeah

[civic spoke]

But my whole point is just that the vast majority of people are not capable of working on their own vehicles, nor do they want to.

[ornate viper]

also imagine buying a Europe car, and tools to maintain it, next time you buy an American car, but don't realize "oh, I need inch-based tools now, not mm "

and you realized that by ruining some bolt or something

[plucky violet]

the one time i had to deal with that was cause the stinkin guy who welded it decides to improperly do it, so i had to hammer at it for 3 hours to get the bolts to go in for the differential

[fathom socket]

omg ur gonna love ford

[brittle totem]

Ev is bettery is split in different cells i think a Tesla battery has 8 and in most cases it's just one or two that goes bad and then you can just change those without replacing the whole battery pack.

[fathom socket]

cause half of there bots are metric!

[ornate viper]

my gf has one, Ford Fiesta

[fathom socket]

i hate that car my mom has one. just an ugly small car but it is fast

[ornate viper]

I bought an Audi A4 2003 mod though, I prefer older cars so I can maintain them myself

[plucky violet]

older ones generally need less maintaining too

jsut dont buy a piece of crap

1999-2001 jeep cherokees are peak jeep

[ornate viper]

well, you just replace the parts that wears out, and you should be good to go

just don't treat it like shit and it'll probably last a very long time

[fathom socket]

pre 90's fords are my favorite

[civic spoke]

I prefer older cars simply because they have everything you need. Without the extras.

[ornate viper]

it's a lot easier to do things to them, because a lot less electronics

if it's one thing that's annoying to mess with on cars, it's electronics related issues

some issues are okay, others can be a real nightmare

[fathom socket]

they are more unreliable though

[civic spoke]

I have some kind of electronics issue with my E46 :c

[fathom socket]

stall alot more often

[civic spoke]

Disables my ABS, Stability control, and traction control.

[plucky violet]

average BMW

[ornate viper]

did you try to read the error codes?

that's at least one upside of electronical errors, it usually has some error code

not always really the actual cause of the issues though 😛

[civic spoke]

Those I have taken it to tells me that I have to replace the module for it, that it has to be refurbed or something.

[ornate viper]

which module?

[fathom socket]

sexy

what model and year?

[plucky violet]

1967 firebird 400

first gen

[ornate viper]

also while on the topic about self-maintaining shit, people don't even self-maintain their electronics... laptops, desktops, etc are so easy to maintain, especially with how easily you can Google your issues... yet you rather take it back to the store and pay them to fix it for you

[plucky violet]

the only electronics i will refuse to self maintain are circuit board related fixes to a handheld device and in general, my phone

on something like a steam deck/switch the most i'll do is fix exterior parts/joysticks etc

second it relates to something on the circuit board its off to the repair guy

[ornate viper]

I refuse to maintain anything where parts aren't easy to source, or devices are hard to open, or issue is related to bad circuits

[plucky violet]

i have complete capability to do so and have the equipment, i'd just rather not fuck it up

[brittle totem]

Yeah if you can charge at home during night you will never need worry about it just plug it in when you come home and most modern chargers has an app so you can set it to only charge off peak hours which is generally very cheap to. My dads friend only supercharged his previous model 3 just 15 times in almost 3 years of ownership and 90000km. Fast charging is just a thing that you generally uses on longer drives and not daily.

[ornate viper]

also I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where you have 3 or 5 year warranty by law, (3 or 5 years depending on the type of device)

[ornate viper]

I can charge at work for free

I don't have an EV though

[plucky violet]

only ev i'd ever own is the cybertruck

purely because it looks like a brick

and its exposed metal

that's cool

[ornate viper]

they aren't legal in Norway, so won't ever be able to own one

if I had to buy something right now, it'd probably be a Model 3

you get a lot of car for the price

[brittle totem]

Not true our Passat average consumption is 4,8-5,2/100km that's like 45-50mpg.

[ornate viper]

and the charger network is just next level in comparison to anything else

but idk how long that's true for though

but also the infotainment system etc, is so much better in Tesla than for example Audi

[plucky violet]

is there a diesel one?

i cant see it

it automatically brought up the 2013 model thats what i typed the stat for

[ornate viper]

that's nothing 😮 my 1.8T is like 12-15/100km

[plucky violet]

here in america the highest you will typically see a diesel vehicle get is 40mpg

most of the time its somewhere around 19-30mpg

trucks are always below 25

[brittle totem]

Well in the apartment where my brother lives they are not allowed to service the cars in their garage so that's not true either and you if need to park your car on the side of the road is not that optimal to do an oil change there either.

[plucky violet]

how is it not optimal

its an oil pan and a wrench

if there is ground there is the capability do to an oil change

as for restricting service in a garage, Why?

like seriously whats the point

in your countries you fine people to deter people from damaging things/committing crimes, doing the same for someone improperly servicing a car and spilling something would do the same

[brittle totem]

Yeah on my drivers test there was if you where allowed to clean you car on the side of the road or not. And the correct answer is no.

[plucky violet]

same thing here, just not enforced. EPA will fine you to sam hell for spilling harmful chemicals

[plucky violet]

the only reason i'd see that as an issue would be for safety

[brittle totem]

Yeah the model 3 is like les then €35k in Norway right ?

[brittle totem]

Well most Tesla chargers is open to every brand in Europe now but if you own a Tesla you get lower prices on Tesla chargers.

[ornate viper]

Speaking of Ford, we have this one at work

[ornate viper]

I wouldn’t want the cheapest one, I’d probably get long range or performance, so roughly 50k iirc

[ornate viper]

Yeah, but not every car can use them yet can they? Either way it’ll be less and less of an argument

But the software in tesla is still far superior as far as I’ve seen/heard

[ornate viper]

Lmfao, that wasn’t on mine thankfully

[civic spoke]

Cheapest one is still plenty good for your daily needs.
But I understand the people wanting the longer range versions or the AWD.

[plucky violet]

nozemi lives in norway so awd is needed

[civic spoke]

AWD is usually just a nice-to-have. But it sure can be nice for winter climates.

Winter tires is where it's at.

[ornate viper]

Oh yeah, for sure, I just don’t want to compromise too much 😛

[ornate viper]

Idk about that, not sure how many FWDs we have, but a shit ton haha, but they always get stuck etc

[civic spoke]

Majority of Euro ICE are FWD based these days.

Same with Asian brands.

[plucky violet]

fwd is just so crap

[brittle totem]

All ev's with a CSS port can use them and nearly all V2 and V3 Tesla chargers are open for public now in Europé.

[plucky violet]

its used because its cheaper to produce and has better mileage

[civic spoke]

FWD has a place because of that.
But the same reason why it's good, makes it less desirable to me.

No need for a long drive shaft going from the front to the rear and all of that.

[tardy harbor]

pulling off a great FWD hot hatch has been widely reviewed as one of the most fulfilling and enjoyable driving experiences

call it all shit is a bit too absolute

[plucky violet]

i don't like it cause i go over the speed limit

i do not trust fwd to do that

[civic spoke]

FWD can be super fun to toss around.

[tardy harbor]

that makes no sense

[civic spoke]

Going at speed wouldn't be any difference between any of the drive trains.

[plucky violet]

its inherently more unstable compared to rwd/awd because it does not turn well at high speed

[plucky violet]

steering

steering and engine power

the engine is also over it

[tardy harbor]

if anything FWD are inherently more stable at speed

there will never be a situation where the driven rearwheels want to overtake the steering front wheels

so saying you dont trust fwd for going at speed is pretty idiotic

[plucky violet]

fwd oversteers

[civic spoke]

FWD understeers, if anything.

[plucky violet]

it needs to handle braking, engine power, and steering all in the same wheel

[plucky violet]

What?

[tardy harbor]

yeah oversteering is enjoyable if kept in balance of course but its not more stable

[civic spoke]

Or are you thinking about snap oversteer?

[plucky violet]

i have braindamage mixed it up

[tardy harbor]

dw happens to the best of us

[civic spoke]

But yeah. Understeer is generally what your want for your average driver.

[tardy harbor]

its a very linear, predictable loss of adhesion

it feels like shit but its very safe

[plucky violet]

i wasnt putting my point across correctly

in an average car fwd is fine when you're speeding

[civic spoke]

You recover from it simply by letting off the accelerator.

[plucky violet]

but if you're in anything with a good amount of engine power it is not good for highspeed

[civic spoke]

tbh. FWD hot hatches are some of the most fun that you can have.

Simply because of driving at, or close to the limit is easier.

[tardy harbor]

I think so too, but Im not a motoring journalist

[plucky violet]

the back of the car will fling out, which normally is prevented because the weight of the engine lies on the steering and traction wheels, but it's bad when you start losing the traction

[tardy harbor]

define good amount o fengine power

[plucky violet]

anything with high torque

[tardy harbor]

numbers dawg

[civic spoke]

Define high torque?

I consider 200 hp to be close to the limit of what you want for a FWD car.

[tardy harbor]

disagreed

[plucky violet]

400lbft or more

my firebird is 360hp 500lb ft

i do not want fwd in a car with that much torque

[civic spoke]

Some of the more powerful FWD cars are what? in the 300 hp range?

[tardy harbor]

honda civic type R springs to mind

327 bhp 360 lb ft

[civic spoke]

True.

[tardy harbor]

Id consider that quite the limit

[stoic ledge]

> Lb Ft

[tardy harbor]

yeah I know

but

audience

id prefer KW actually too but thats scary

[civic spoke]

Then again, tire tech have come quite a ways since when around 200 hp was the sweet spot for FWD.

[plucky violet]

the only place in europe where the argument would matter is germany

so im using lb ft

everything else cars aren't going fast enough for it to matter

[tardy harbor]

[stoic ledge]

Germany = Europe confirmed

[plucky violet]

referring to speed limits

i originally brought up lb ft as a unit of measurement

[civic spoke]

There are runways and race tracks in just about any country.

[stoic ledge]

I have a whopping 85 pounds the size of a foot in my FWD car

[tardy harbor]

dawg most of europe has speed limits around the same of the US

its all around the max 130kmh region

[stoic ledge]

80% of German highways also have limits lol

[tardy harbor]

and if you are speeding anyways, who cares

[civic spoke]

I forget what my car has. But it's around 170 hp (125 kW) and around 210 Nm? I believe?

Lets find out

[tardy harbor]

I think its officially 230 for mine which is also fwd

but that number is a bit sus

[stoic ledge]

86hp/115Nm or 83hp/110Nm depending on the fuel

[plucky violet]

im not sure if mine is actually the measurement i typed

[civic spoke]

Yeah, I was right. Those are the numbers.

[plucky violet]

its either that or higher

[stoic ledge]

63 or 61kW

[plucky violet]

when it was rebuilt it was changed to a full forged rotating assembly, not sure if it was changed past that cause i haven't looked at it in a while

i know heads were changed

[brittle totem]

It's not just not allowed i guess that they want to have then garage as clean as possible which I can understand.

[civic spoke]

Would have been fun to have the M54B30 engine with a supercharger thrown at it.

[civic spoke]

Me spilling a bunch of oil in the garage would make me loved in the neighborhood.

[plucky violet]

it just stains concrete

it can be cleaned up pretty easily it just makes a huge dark spot

doesn't really matter here in america cause everything looks like crap

unless you live in a pesky HOA

[civic spoke]

imagine having concrete floors.

[plucky violet]

i live in a suburb

driveway/garage

[civic spoke]

I mean, same?

[plucky violet]

so your driveway isn't concrete?

[brittle totem]

Even the long range is less then €40k in Norway and I think the Performance is like €45k

[civic spoke]

Concrete driveways aren't much of a thing here in Sweden.

[plucky violet]

so it made of tarmac?

[civic spoke]

Yessir

[brittle totem]

AWD isn't necessary good as long as you have good winter tires but it's nice to have for that extra comfort and "safety"

[civic spoke]

AWD gives you a false sense of security.

[plucky violet]

awd just makes it easier for the average hooligan to not spin out and crash

[tardy harbor]

literally couldnt be me

[plucky violet]

if you know how to drive then yeah not needed

[tardy harbor]

SWEDEN

JAG VILL DO

thats all I got

[charred depot]

my friend did engine swaps in a public car park heh

[civic spoke]

What'chu on about, foo?
||Ja, jag vill leva. Jag vill dö i Norden!||

[tardy harbor]

lmao

[charred depot]

im spoiled with a 4 post lift now

[plucky violet]

the average american car guy will do that in a walmart parking lot

lucky

[civic spoke]

I would love that so much.

[tardy harbor]

im not norwegian

[charred depot]

I pay for the priveledge

[tardy harbor]

me love sweden sweden very nice youtubers, balls, furanture and my car

[civic spoke]

I do too, but at higher prices.
Since if I want to use one, then I have to rent one from the local gas station.

[tardy harbor]

oh also best immigrants in sweden

[charred depot]

I pay £80/m for my unit as its shared across a few friends

[brittle totem]

Yeah my brothers Abarth 595 is a lot of fun to drive and it's FWD so I don't se the problem with FWD.

[charred depot]

Car parking yard space aswell included in that

[civic spoke]

That's a fair price. At least if you're able to share a lift.

[tardy harbor]

most intellectuals (europeans) dont

[tardy harbor]

ngl norway is exceptionally pretty

[plucky violet]

[charred depot]

sadly we are all messy hoarders. heh

[civic spoke]

This is the kind of lift that I have access to.

[plucky violet]

my lift are the two metal ramps and jacks i have

[brittle totem]

My brother company has 500HP+ GOLF GTI and it still handles great even with that much power.

[civic spoke]

A big problem with renting a lift, though. Is that you're not able to park your car there over the weekend.

[charred depot]

mfw you actually have to finish what you are doing

[plucky violet]

thats when you get a sledgehammer and put a hole in the ground through the middle

[civic spoke]

I've seen people build scaffolding in the ditch to be used for oil services, etc.

[charred depot]

when swapping engines in cars we just hang them off the end of the 4 post

[tardy harbor]

sure but thats probably because you werent using all of the 500hp whilest on the adhesion limit 😄

[charred depot]

my 305 wheelspins 3rd, I wish it was rwd

too much turbodiesel phwoar

[civic spoke]

I want LSD.

[tardy harbor]

there are so many variables theres no point really in excluding an entire drive train

[tardy harbor]

[charred depot]

fwd is fun for getting a extreme angle and being able to floor it out of it

[tardy harbor]

oh

limited slip diff

that lsd

[charred depot]

but rwd is funner

[plucky violet]

rwd you dont see the tree you crash into

fwd you stare straight at the tree

[civic spoke]

I rather head-first into whatever I'm crashing into.

[tardy harbor]

Id rather not crash

[plucky violet]

i like being able to control my car and stay on the road instead of having to accelerate off the road to get control again

[civic spoke]

Better crumple zones, air bags and all of that.

[tardy harbor]

volvo gang

[brittle totem]

Yeah the landscape in Norway is extremely beautiful specially the northern parts.

[charred depot]

safety is important

[civic spoke]

laughs in no ABS/TC/DSC

[tardy harbor]

and leaf springs, presumably 😄

[civic spoke]

I feel bad for the other E46 in my garage.

[tardy harbor]

so its thread on your tires

[civic spoke]

What vibration in the tires?

[plucky violet]

average car from the rust belt

[charred depot]

tyres are fine there was oil on the road

few people crashed that day

[plucky violet]

my mother rammed a little prius at 20mph with a jeep bullbar and crumpled the entire ladies car because she slammed on the brakes

the jeep did not have abs it seems

[charred depot]

70mph roundabout approach + oil spill

[civic spoke]

sadge

[tardy harbor]

"suhhh dude nice stance "

[plucky violet]

stance drivers trying not to wreck their tires (impossible)

[tardy harbor]

or ride

[plucky violet]

you're not even using like

95% of the tire using stance

its just like a 2 inch strip

wtf is the point

it looks cringe too

[tardy harbor]

stance

[charred depot]

True stance

[plucky violet]

i hate it when it happens to brz

[plucky violet]

the people that squat their trucks....

🤮

[tardy harbor]

looks like someone spooked it

[civic spoke]

De-ICE?

[charred depot]

flintstone spec

[ornate viper]

awd is a bit "random", depends where the force pulls you when your car loses grip 😛

it's fun to drift an awd though, but sometimes it's difficult to stay in control, because it suddenly decides to just go straight forward lol

very unfortunate when you're sideways in a turn and straight forward is out of the road

[civic spoke]

AWD depends a bit if it's FWD or RWD based. And how it's programmed.

[ornate viper]

hell yeah, it's amazing, was there last summer - let me see if I can send a pic 😄

[ornate viper]

oh yeah for sure

[civic spoke]

Most cars are honestly just tweaked for understeer.

Since it's better for your average consumer.

[tardy harbor]

that also massively depends what kind of AWD system it is, there are so many variables, you can't compare entire drive train groups together

[ornate viper]

my A4 3.0 TDI was easy enough to drift, but the automatic transmission was a bit annoying

[ornate viper]

oh yeah, for sure, I just kinda assumed we all were aware that there are many different configurations to AWDs 😛

[tardy harbor]

thats a brave assumption but I like your optimism 🙂

[ornate viper]

heheh I know, not all of the people in the channel would probably know, but think all of us present in the conversation does at least

also, I'm no expert myself, which also probably played a part

[tardy harbor]

its technically massively interesting for sure, but yeah, so many different brands of awd systems made for different situations, I don't know too much about them either

[ornate viper]

@tardy harbor @brittle totem here are some pics 😄 (panoramas actually)

idk if Discord ruined the quality or not though

[tardy harbor]

is that norway?

[ornate viper]

I just know that Quattro isn't necessarily the same as another Quattro 😛

[tardy harbor]

you can open original

[ornate viper]

it is

[tardy harbor]

nice, that doesnt look like a place where I have been

[civic spoke]

I didn't really like the A4 Avant TDI that my father used to have. The AWD system was meh for me.

[tardy harbor]

I've visited 3 times, but that looks rather south

[ornate viper]

this is very north

[civic spoke]

And didn't really like not being able to control the gears properly. Along with the lower rev limiter from it being a diesel :c

[ornate viper]

which year and engine?

[civic spoke]

Uhh, I believe it was the 2.0 TDI engine with 170 hp. The year was... Let me find out.

[tardy harbor]

oh okay, I think the most northen I got was where its officially artic circle

[ornate viper]

I had two of those, 2007 models, both manuals

[civic spoke]

2012–2015 The facelift model. I know that at least.

[ornate viper]

yeah, that's not too far north, this was Sortland, which is still far out from the northmost point

[tardy harbor]

also I think a big, heavy diesel usually over the front of the front axel has a poor effect on whatever that awd can deliver

[tardy harbor]

wtf no ive been there, I recognize the name 😄

[ornate viper]

ahh okay, no clue about those, but presumably it was automat? with automat you'll probably need way more than 170hp to be able to enjoy it much ngl

[tardy harbor]

need to get back my fucking Alzheimer is kicking in

[civic spoke]

Yeah, it was an automatic.

[civic spoke]

Yessir.

[ornate viper]

nice 😄 one of the photos is shot towards Lofoten which is a very common place for tourists

[ornate viper]

yeah, my 3.0 TDI was also automatic, but roughly 300hp, so it made things a lot easier lol

also fairly sure it was configured more to be rwd than fwd

[civic spoke]

I guess it was this engine?

[tardy harbor]

they made a lot of 1.9tdis

so its hard to find out exactly

I mean this is bored to 2.0 but around that range theres hundreds

2 many pictures 4 discord

server cant hang

[ornate viper]

probably more interesting to know the awd config on it, which probably depends on the model (which is B8.5) than the engine

[civic spoke]

The B8.5 wasn't bad looking at all, honestly.

Too bad that I didn't enjoy driving it.

[ornate viper]

yeah, mine was B8, I wanted to do a B8.5 swap - replace the bumper, headlights, steeringwheel, etc

retrofit facelift look

[tardy harbor]

I wanted a bicycle...

[plucky violet]

@ornate viper

[brittle totem]

Yeah I was there last summer on a roadtrip and I can defently recommend that.

[tardy harbor]

the trollen pass

[ornate viper]

rofl, didn't have sound on though (at work rn)

[ornate viper]

where is this?

[tardy harbor]

its called the trollen pass or something like that, amazing piece of road

at least it looks a lot like that

[ornate viper]

ahh, okay "Trollstigen" in Norwegian, probably

that's more western Norway than northern though

[tardy harbor]

doesnt make it any less norway

[ornate viper]

oh no, that it does not

and western Norway has some nice nature as well

[civic spoke]

Parts of Sweden can be nice, also.

[tardy harbor]

yes, where they make volvos

[civic spoke]

The further north you get, the more mountainous it becomes, usually.

[tardy harbor]

mostly the north sea where they get all that sweet sweet oil money from

[tardy harbor]

not in this country

its as flat is my wife

[ornate viper]

don't sit on your wives please!

[tardy harbor]

thanks for assuming I have multiple

[ornate viper]

oh no, just assume you will find a new one, or have had others in the past, and it was also the plural version of "you", as in this entire chat 😄

[tardy harbor]

fuck

I liked my interpretation more

[ornate viper]

afaik it's illegal to have more than one wife in Sweden