cars

[stoic ledge]

But I have to see if they update the list, Toyota could be ordered but not anymore currently

Also Kia and Hyundai is gone... And Tesla

I can order basically anything except Kia, Hyundai, Tesla, Toyota and MG atm

[bitter compass]

You're gonna end up with an vw e up

You love vw that much

[stoic ledge]

Which is odd as it's hybrid or EV only, and all those brands offer a lot in that segment

[stoic ledge]

Pls no, I'd rather keep the Corsa then

Golf eHybrid costs the same as a Astra Hybrid

[bitter compass]

But yeah throwing out toyata und Hyundai but only allowing phevs or evs is weird

[stoic ledge]

But the Astra is better equipped and has a larger boot, + the infotainment isn't as horrendous. Also, book value of the Golf is higher = more tax on my income

[bitter compass]

Ye a golf is a stupid car

Idk when vw accepts they're not a premium brand

[stoic ledge]

Probably never

I can order the Astra like this, which ngl isn't bad as a first company car?

[bitter compass]

What about Peugeot

[stoic ledge]

It's not the top spec but has everything you'd actually need

[bitter compass]

I prefer the visuals of the french

Interior is odd tho

[stoic ledge]

I sit worse in it due to my length, also slightly more expensive for a similar equipment

[bitter compass]

Im kinda afraid of when the i3 gets replaced

Because i suspect the iX being the replacement

[stoic ledge]

And personally I like the Astra more, not because it's an Opel but I just think the design is cleaner, the 308 has way more lines and is a bit busy

[stoic ledge]

Kek don't think so, don't think i3 owner will be like "I'll get an iX after this"... Probably the Mini is a better replacement

I also like the DS 4 but that's too expensive

[bitter compass]

Ye bmw = forced that's the thing

You couldn't possibly show up in a mini

Its not the proper presentation of the company

• some guy who lost all connection to what we use the cars for

[stoic ledge]

I can order a Mini .. which is more expensive than a Peugeot 308 Hybrid GT (= most expensive trim)

Top trim Mini is more as a 320eA Touring

🥲

Which are all above my budget

[bitter compass]

3 series touring id take instantly without hesitation

[stoic ledge]

I can get a Smart Fortwo EQ convertible tho....

Literally more expensive as the PHEV Astra

[stoic ledge]

Same but that's like 200/month above my budget

[bitter compass]

Well smart is known for being expensive af

[stoic ledge]

Ridiculously expensive, the Astra is 2 segments larger, battery size is almost the same, electric motor is actually more powerful... And then it also has a 1.6 Turbo

[bitter compass]

The only issue i have with an entry level 3 series

Rwd

Kinda sucks for me

[stoic ledge]

Fine for me 👀

[bitter compass]

Yeah i preferably do not have pure rwd in winter it just is going to be meh for the really bad days

[stoic ledge]

The problem is, it starts at 885/month, 912/month for the Touring and 984/month for the xDrive... And my budget is 800 😛

Astra is 781/month iirc

[stoic ledge]

Don't often get snow so doesn't matter for me

[stoic ledge]

And that's before options, you know how cheap BMW's are equipped base

[bitter compass]

You do be getting screwed by being dutch there

[stoic ledge]

Facts ^

[bitter compass]

1000/month for a 3 series is harsh

[stoic ledge]

Well it's "full operational" lease so including tax, fuel, insurance, car, etc etc

[bitter compass]

Literally 2 years of my running costs on the up xD

In a month

[charred depot]

Im not allowed to go into my driveway how do i charge

Mind you the reason im not allowed is from leaks

[verbal barn]

So in a car that doesn’t leak, you are banned from entering the driveway due to leaks?

Wait, they got more fluid that I remembered

[charred depot]

Ive sorta lost my spot from not using it

[bitter compass]

Tbf insurance and taxes on that little guy are one of the reasons i love it

[charred depot]

I had a power steering pump fail and pool in my undertray. Went into my driveway which is heavily sloped

And the 305 is just a constant oil spill

I get free charging at work just need to turn the 305 into a plugin hybrid

Only do like 12k miles a year now so would take too long to pay off but tis something to do

[brittle totem]

Well there is an app called a better route planer that does all of the plaing for you if your car integrated one isn't good enough.

[verbal barn]

Yes

[brittle totem]

Budget ? And how does the "benefits tax" system work in the netherlands i guees you are only playing the "benefits tax" for the car and per km you drive privately. And the company pays for the car.

Is it the new gen or the old one ?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so I get a budget of 800/month to choose a car as part of my income, and then I have to pay tax on my income based on the book value of the car to drive it privately

[stoic ledge]

New one

[brittle totem]

Not available here in Sweden too so it's probely only available in germany right now if you want to factory order but you need to be rather stupid to do that in 2022 anyways.

I have nearly gotten this with my dads diesel only Passat if the numbers are accurate it's an Volkswagen after all.

[brittle totem]

That's very weird kia is one of the most populer brand for company car drivers in Sweden.

Not that weird my dad can only chose an phev or an ev as his next company car too. The requirement is that car can't have c02 emmsion over 60g/km which bacially means only evs.

[fathom socket]

Roundabout hell

Idk why they even are there

[stoic ledge]

@bitter compass so I checked between the Astra and 308...

• Astra 1.6 Turbo PHEV 133kW Business Edition: €781/month, €37750 book value
• 308 1.6 133kW PHEV Active Pack Business: €778/month, €37240 book value

So that's barely any difference... but then when I look at the equipment, the Astra has the same but additionally:

• PDC front
• 180 degree rear camera
• AGR seats
• heated seats
• heated steering wheel
• adaptive cruise control

So personally the Astra is more appealing ... althought the 308 doesn't look to bad as the Hybrid as it get's the 17" as standard

[stoic ledge]

Also popular here but at this company it's not available, atleast at the moment

[brittle totem]

Base model i guess ? Or can you fit some options to it ? The new one is way nicer the old one despite it's extrior looks.

[stoic ledge]

I can fit options but that all adds to the cost, base it looks extremely shite and equipment is also bad

So this is how it looks as standard

That's 778/month, 45350 book value

If I equip it similar to the Astra It's still not a great looking car,,,, and then I'm on 50k book value

So the sax is like 30% more on it

[wraith rivet]

Interesting

[vocal mural]

@stoic ledge Did you sleep while driving???

[stoic ledge]

That's a facelift, ours is pre facelift

[brittle totem]

So basically the same as the policy my dad has for his next car but their maximum budget is at around 1000€ maximum per month. But here in Sweden if you have benefits tax of 600€ but you only pay some % of that based on your income so if you have tax rate of 50% you only pay 300€ a month for the car. Here are the models that they have added to their list right now. But they will add more cars in future and the list isn't completely accurate right now because the government decide too remove the 7000€ bonus that you used to get after 6 months. Like the day after they where done with the new policy so they need re recalculate everything again.

[brittle totem]

Yeah it looks shit over here to but the interior is quite nice and the base equipment is decent the only thing i would add is the driver assist package and the upgraded lights.

[charred depot]

Anything but the id4

[brittle totem]

That's the same color as my moms 225i 😀

[brittle totem]

Well my dad is most interested in the id4 seems to be best car for the money considering the benefits tax is even lower then his current Passat.

[charred depot]

Despair

[brittle totem]

Of the ones that he he gets to choose from right now but the will maybe add some more cars to list like Ioniq 5 and the ev6.

[verbal barn]

So what was the first cars y’all drove on public roads?

[brittle totem]

Volkswagen Passat 2017.

[verbal barn]

1985 corvette

[wispy cloak]

Legally or not legally

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so here the tax is paid based on the book value of the car, 22% annually so a 40k is taxed with 8800/year = 733/month, but that's before taxes so indeed after tax that nets about 350/month the car actually costs you

[stoic ledge]

Can't get over the looks xD And the book value is 10k more, so basically it costs me 100/month more

Not worth it

[stoic ledge]

Illegally:

• some old original Fiat Panda Automatic
• 2003 Corsa
• 2003 Peugeot 307 Break
  First car legally:
• 2013 Renault Clio 1.5 dCi (driving school car)

[brittle totem]

The cupra leon e-hybrid seems to be cheaper 225e and it looks way better and they are well equipped as standard too. Maybe that's something you could consider.

[stoic ledge]

Is 900/month for some reason

Too much

Probably more expensive in lease as they expect a worse resale value?

[brittle totem]

Not sure about the hybrid version but the regular 300hp version holds its value quite okay. But I guess they don't have any data on hybrid one yet so they don't want to risk it.

[stoic ledge]

Probably

The Formentor is less than the Leon

Only slightly, but it is

[charred depot]

900 euro a month for a cah?

[stoic ledge]

Company lease yes

[civic spoke]

Not even an uncommon price for civilians.

[charred depot]

mental, how much of that is your taxes

I can only imagine how mad people would go if we got a tax system like yours

Come 2025 a electric car e.g. nissan leaf will pay the same tax as a 90's toyota corolla here

I pay about £290/y for the 305 which is considered steep here

[verbal barn]

Well mine was not legally

[wispy cloak]

Mine was very much not legally

[verbal barn]

Oh I’m ready to hear it

[wispy cloak]

I drove my grandpa's f150 on the road when I was 11 or 12

[stoic ledge]

I pay 676/year for zhe Corsa

But most of that leasing price is depreciation and fuel I'd say

[charred depot]

oh it includes fuel

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

The company lease includes that also

[charred depot]

so if fuel prices go up massively the leasing company takes a L?

well they probably have enough leeway but make less than they expect

[brittle totem]

How many km per month is that based on ?

[stoic ledge]

30k annual

So 2500km/month

[civic spoke]

Unrelated to cars. But I'm happy that I can wear my somewhat fancier watch without caring too much about it.

[stoic ledge]

[civic spoke]

As in showering and sleeping with it. And not really caring if I work with it on my wrist.

[feral reef]

I only take mine off to shower

Seems a bit weird to not do so? haha

[fossil imp]

glass is very weird

[teal sleet]

Taking out an engine isn’t fun

[civic spoke]

Depends. Showering with it doesn't really matter if it's resistant enough.

[teal sleet]

It sounded good but two cylinders were running bad

[civic spoke]

That sounds rough.

[feral reef]

Those are some wild colors

[teal sleet]

It needs to be painted still

[feral reef]

I actually kinda like it

Reminds me of this

Gr8

[teal sleet]

I have a white one that runs and looks better too

[feral reef]

Let's try that again

[teal sleet]

Doesn’t look that good but still decent

I also saw this the other day

Yeah some of the cars I’ve rebuilt kinda crazy

[civic spoke]

The rims are pretty nice. But it feels like they are an inch too big for what I am used to.

[teal sleet]

This is what the white one looked like when I got it btw

The rims on them came with the car

[misty mantle]

A Ford GT on marketplace, holy fuck

[teal sleet]

I drove down to see the car and yes it is real

I’ve worked on quite a few cars

My dad had a MK1 Supra that I worked on when I was young and that was the start of my mechanical interest

The 5SFE is an interesting engine to work on

[charred depot]

tanking house prices so I can buy a house in my home village

[stoic ledge]

With a Range Rover in the background

[wraith rivet]

house prices are tanking near you?

[stoic ledge]

I think he's joking about trying to lower prices by driving "shit" cars

[tired sundial]

Sounds like what I’m doing I park my $400. sh!tbox infront of my dads house

Yea I think it didn’t tank the house prices because it still Costs half a million

[wraith rivet]

oh lmfaooo

that'll definitely do it

while you're at it throw ragers every night and let all of your plants grow out of control

let the garbage overflow out of your trash cans 😎

in other news

this is pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtgaYEh-qSk

i wonder how long it takes to charge though 😬

[stoic ledge]

They say it'll have a 1MW Supercharger v4?

Idk what the battery capacity will be

The Supercharger v4 will also come to the Cybertruck?

Ngl, 1MW is a lot

Also just realized the Cybertruck is just a daycab, not a sleeper cab?

[fathom socket]

I left the car transport industry and now I do work for Amazon

As truck driver ofc

[civic spoke]

I care about loading capacity

[bitter compass]

Wasn't there a thingy about the tesla being so heavy that it has significantly less loading capacity because of weight limits?

[civic spoke]

It's 82,000 lbs truck+cargo. But how much the tractor weights is unknown

[bitter compass]

And tesla not mentioning loading capacity in the initial marketing material because they know

Which supposedly is THE stat

[civic spoke]

"but look at how fast it gets up to speed!"

[bitter compass]

But it does 0-60 in idk 5 secs because speeeeeeed and power

It's a sports lorry insert link to topgear special here

I still like the concept of overhead wires for lorries on motorways 👀

[civic spoke]

This is the most you're allowed to drive in Sweden without special permits.

74 tonnes.

Meaning double the weight in most of US

[vocal mural]

Allowed in:
Norway
Sweden
The Netherlands
Germany
Finland
Denmark

[civic spoke]

Not quite?

[vocal mural]

60t

[civic spoke]

That sounds more like it.

Though. I know Finland has high limits.

[brittle totem]

I think rhe consumption was like 1,24kWh/km so around 1000kWh i guess.

[stoic ledge]

So 800+ kWh?

[brittle totem]

Yeah somewhere in between 800-1000kwh.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so with current elecetricity prices more expensive than diesel

Although they won't come to Europe, even if they wanted too, it's too long for any reasonable load

[civic spoke]

Would make most loads too long in mainland Europe

[stoic ledge]

Exactly

[civic spoke]

Even then. We already have cabover EV's

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but not with such range, DAF XF has up to 525kWh battery pack

Scania up to 625kWh?

eActros gets "over 600kWh"

And they all claim ~500km-300miles range

But yeah, makes sense if the battery is like 40% smaller

[civic spoke]

It all depends on what you want to do with the truck

[stoic ledge]

Totally agree, and for first gen products it's definitely a good start

[civic spoke]

If you can replace certain runs with EV trucks. Then it's really a no-brainer.

[stoic ledge]

Depending on the running costs ofc, that's what it's all about

Also, I saw DAF also uses camera mirrors now?

I think I saw an XF/XG this morning with those "mirrors"

Also I can never distinguish an XF and XG

[civic spoke]

Seems to be same-same, but different?

[stoic ledge]

I think the XF is the "regular" model, the XG is a slightly longer cab and the XG+ is the XG but higher?

[feral reef]

Kilowatt hour per km, what a funny measurement

[civic spoke]

I guess so. Hard to tell them apart from the cabs alone.

[civic spoke]

Driving this stuff sucks.

MUD.

[verbal barn]

Did you out that weight in British tons or us tons?

[civic spoke]

Tonnes.
1 tonne = 1,000 kg.

That's also stupid. Don't get me started.

[verbal barn]

I wish we all used the metric system so we didn’t have to have all these conversions and having to remember five tomatoes

Five tomatoes is how you remember how many feet are in a mile

5,280

[civic spoke]

Five two-maeight-oh.

[verbal barn]

13 us tons

You can drive this without anything special on your license

I believe a class a motor home weighs more and is larger. And you can drive those on a learners permit

[civic spoke]

25,999 lbs is the limit for most parts of US.

After that you need a CDL.

[verbal barn]

I just noticed that, and I also realized my state doesn’t have a weight limit as far as I can find, I’ll dig a bit deeper before the conclusion

[civic spoke]

What state?

[verbal barn]

And we do, 26,001

Ghetto

Gvwr

Autocorrect will solve itself eventually

[civic spoke]

Oh, okay. So I was just wrong then. It's 26,000 and under for a normal license. Above that for CDL.

You know. A pound here and there makes all the difference.

[verbal barn]

I could drive this on my learners permit.

Gvwr, 26,000 lbs

Yet to drive a bus smaller than that, you need a cdl

[civic spoke]

Because number of passengers.

Here in Sweden. After 8 passengers, then you need a CDL.

[vocal mural]

Class D

Or D1 until 16 passengers

Is European law

[civic spoke]

D1 allows up to 16 passengers.

Mhmm

[vocal mural]

17 occupants, if you include the driver

[civic spoke]

I am allowed to drive this. Big want.

[vocal mural]

C is needed for that. Although without code 95

And without tachometer??!?

[civic spoke]

I have CE. 👀

https://youtu.be/uTd5f_Tj89M

[charred depot]

Friend doesent have to use his tachograph in a 7.5 tonne truck

exempt

[wispy cloak]

If it's for ag purposes it's even higher where I live

[plucky flame]

I wonder why they got rid of the wing

[civic spoke]

Two different versions.
Absolut for top speed - Doesn't have a wing.
Normal one for track - Does have a wing.

[plucky flame]

So if you want to corner youre fucked

I really like the look of the wing on the jesko

[civic spoke]

Most people aren't even driving fast enough for any aero to take any meaningful effect.

[plucky flame]

Most people meaning who?

Most people dont have a jesko period

Most people dont track it either

[civic spoke]

I mean regardless.
If you have a Honda with a big wing, then you honestly won't drive it fast enough for the wing to do anything through the corners.

[plucky flame]

Well duh but this is a 3 million dollar hypercar.

Not to mention a well built one. They put more thought into the wing design than just bolting it to the back

A honda is simply not a good comparison

[civic spoke]

Most cars with big aero is just "Hey. You get 100 kg's of downforce at your top speed"

Damn it. I really need to fix the heater in the truck.

I swear, if it's just a fuse that has gone.

Then I will be so happy.

I need to check up on the illumination on one of the panels as well.

[viscid atlas]

depends on the Honda

[civic spoke]

https://twitter.com/jasonfenske13/status/1587880038736998400

Engineering Explained (@jasonfenske13)

For road cars, downforce sucks. Why? Downforce requires you to use stiffer springs, killing ride quality. And at street speeds, you get no downforce, so stiffer springs = less grip. Lose lose.

Ford found a clever solution to this, explained here: https://t.co/kDJm7GKNt5

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I'm in that camp either way.

[misty mantle]

Here in the U.S, I think it goes by weight

[civic spoke]

With Europe. Then weight for trucks (or anything below 9 passengers). With busses, then it's just number of passengers.

[zealous void]

Aint this just funny

[civic spoke]

Not sketchy at all.

[misty mantle]

No question about it, thats a harbor freight jack on top of 2 2x4s

[zealous void]

Oh nah it from lidl but leaks so yes definitly sketchy

Had to do inside as uk weather not very happy

[charred depot]

sick someone else with a charge warmer

what if you wanted to run decent boost but god said tmic

[civic spoke]

This is what I'm talking about with EV trucks.

Charging cables hanging right by the loading bay.

[verbal barn]

Yes

[misty mantle]

Nah, fuck that shit

[civic spoke]

Why tho?

[stoic ledge]

🅱️olvo

[misty mantle]

Does it sound like a diesel? No. Does it run on diesel? No. Does it really help the environment? No.

[zealous void]

they have ther cons and pros so i down with them if they can make them cheap all around efficient when driving easy to repair easy to remake batteries or fix batteries and they have to do somethign useful and new

[misty mantle]

Still, I dont like 'em

[zealous void]

i can understand

[misty mantle]

I wouldn't be caught dead in any EV

[civic spoke]

EV trucks are far better than conventional diesel trucks in urban environments.

Like - It isn't even a competition.

[zealous void]

dependable

but both do same damage

[misty mantle]

Yes

[floral meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/car-fast-ridding-kid-gif-14176897

[misty mantle]

You still have to mine the materials to make both the motor and the batterys

[floral meadow]

vroom vroom

[misty mantle]

So either way, not helping the enviroment

[floral meadow]

kids car goes vroom

[zealous void]

electric needs to be made faster and better and then i can start think about cos these electricity billw sill start rise astronomacly

[civic spoke]

But really. A big part of EV in cities is to bring down noise pollution, as well as normal pollution.

[floral meadow]

who likecar?

i vroom vroom

https://tenor.com/view/car-fast-ridding-kid-gif-14176897

[zealous void]

cos in uk half source of powergrid don in electric plants ran by diesel or something like that right?

[floral meadow]

i fast

[zealous void]

damn that is fast

[civic spoke]

EV trucks are already much quicker off the line compared to diesel trucks. And if you're in cities, then you mostly just reach 50 km/h.

[stoic ledge]

I don't think running them on diesel is useful

[civic spoke]

Much smoother ride as well, since you don't have the conventional gearbox with 12 gears.

[floral meadow]

VVVRRROOOOMMMM

https://tenor.com/view/car-fast-ridding-kid-gif-14176897

[zealous void]

i not say they fast i meant the power making for them

but i can agree

[misty mantle]

Can you please stop

Sorry for that ping, Glass

[civic spoke]

You'll have to pay for it by accepting EV trucks into your heart.

[misty mantle]

I like a 12 speed

[floral meadow]

FINEEEE

||vroom vroom||

[misty mantle]

I like a motor that runs on fossil fuel

[zealous void]

i just not want think about the cost to repair power module in any new car

sound like would be costly

[civic spoke]

ICE and their transmissions have their place. With long hauling, and when routes are uncertain, then ICE is still the way to go for trucks.

[misty mantle]

Plus, the already fully-established internal combustion engine is easy to keep running (If you're not an idiot who doesn't maintain it), easy to find parts for, plus, you can let one sit for years, and, depending on the conditions, can come back to in 20-someodd years and get it running again

[civic spoke]

But distribution? Then EV is a no brainer. Same could be said for transports between warehouses or ports.

[zealous void]

treu

[stoic ledge]

And why won't EV's be like that in the future?

[civic spoke]

Anywhere where you have already laid out routes. Then EV can work amazingly great.

[zealous void]

i on bboth sides

[civic spoke]

And you won't ever have to deal with fueling up diesel and adblue after you have already loaded.

[zealous void]

just i wait for future when cheaper

current teslas like prices of supercars but batterys amazing tho

[charred depot]

EV vehiculars are less bad but still bad

damn all rubber wheeled contraptions to hell

[stoic ledge]

No transportation is best

[zealous void]

could go to bumper cars lol

[stoic ledge]

But I don't think that's possible

[charred depot]

guaranteed solution is to return to monkey.

[civic spoke]

The two big parts that make EV's bad is their production. And how much they pollute throughout their life depends on what powers the charging stations.

[civic spoke]

TRAINS.

[charred depot]

trains are ruined by unionised shitcorps that refuse to advance (here atleast)

[civic spoke]

Trains are actually amazing at moving heaps of goods efficiently.

[civic spoke]

Depends on regions.

[zealous void]

tbh i down for trains

[charred depot]

yeah I know its a problem more places than here

[zealous void]

the japanese or chinese ones good

[charred depot]

trains in US are meme level

[zealous void]

id hate know what they produce every hour

[misty mantle]

They may be a meme, but those fuckers can haul

[zealous void]

still wonder how bad they are once they go in for service for rust

[charred depot]

how to manage tracks for least utilisation challenge

[misty mantle]

Speaking of rust, EV batterys DONT like salt either

[zealous void]

although america might stop rust cos theyre heat

[misty mantle]

Nope

[zealous void]

lol

thought there was state that mostly dey all the time

[charred depot]

I dont like EVs or well modern stuff but I also hate shitty arguments against them heh

[misty mantle]

Almost every EV that ended up getting caught in the worst of Hurricane Ian ended up catching on fire because salt water got into the batterys and caught fire

[zealous void]

i just here for the fun

[zealous void]

didnt know that but damn that annoying

[misty mantle]

Yeah

Not a good rep for EVs

[zealous void]

the nissans wood love a good flood probably just srart and run streight away depending on how bad

not electric one but ones from 2007 to before

[misty mantle]

Same with literally any Honda small engine and Honda ATV/dirtbike/moped/ATC

[stoic ledge]

Very true

[zealous void]

lol can agree on that

not all car brand are like honda and nissan

a mitsubishi might

although depends on how techical the cars are

[terse relic]

May I show what I drive here?

[charred depot]

Flood ruins most normal cars regardless of manufacturer

[misty mantle]

Depends on how bad the damage is and what water the flood brought in

[zealous void]

sure send away]

[civic spoke]

Eww. You drive?
Get with the system. Use the system. Public transport!

[charred depot]

well the damage will be bad if they are in or got driven in a substantial flood

[terse relic]

I live in a rural area 😭

[civic spoke]

I'm just joking.

Post away.

[stoic ledge]

Oof always excuses

🙃

[charred depot]

EVs do much better here in floods

[stoic ledge]

Can't get hydrolocked

[charred depot]

but most of it is down to incompetence or lunacy of people in ICE vehicles flooring it through deep water

[misty mantle]

I live in the mountains of California, so no

[terse relic]

Honestly. Drivers have gotten worse since 2020 imo

[civic spoke]

Initially. Sure. But no car likes water. Especially if it has salt in it.

[stoic ledge]

Just go through it backwards 🧠

[zealous void]

snorkle might be fun

[charred depot]

Well yeah if you leave any normal car in water for an amount of time fucked

passing through deep water is to be expected

[misty mantle]

Thats literally the point of a snorkel

[civic spoke]

Legit strat that can work.

[stoic ledge]

I know

It's a big brain move

[zealous void]

although rip interior is door seals bad

well rubber seals

[charred depot]

meh whatever

more a issue on newer cars that have modules under the seats

[misty mantle]

If you have a snorkel on the vehicle and the correct seals and gaskets on the engine and all vital componets, driving through water is no problem

[charred depot]

normal

[civic spoke]

Rufford Ford comes to mind. https://youtu.be/7yfnYz76KEE

[misty mantle]

There are normal vehicles with snorkels

[zealous void]

ah then my car screwed

[charred depot]

but is it the norm

[terse relic]

Ain't much but she's mine. 2022 Hyundai Accent SEL

[stoic ledge]

Rip Insignia

😭

[zealous void]

damn look shiny

[misty mantle]

Brand new car, so it prob is

[terse relic]

It's a slightly older pic. From October

[zealous void]

wonder how many layers paint it got

[misty mantle]

Still a brand new car

[civic spoke]

Friend of mine got something similar. Hyundai aren't bad cars.

[terse relic]

But yeah. It drives nicely. 120 horsepower doesn't sound like a lot, but it can GO

[stoic ledge]

Accent isn't sold in Europe anymore?

[terse relic]

It's discontinued in the US too.

[stoic ledge]

Try beating my 83hp

[zealous void]

i think it is

[stoic ledge]

[zealous void]

damn that fast

[stoic ledge]

Ah, well discounted here in like 2008 I think

[misty mantle]

4 banger, Im guessing?

[charred depot]

about to be passed by a poojie 305

[terse relic]

Yep. Turbo 4 cylinder

[civic spoke]

Not here at least.

[stoic ledge]

Turbo

[terse relic]

It's got a Sport mode 😃

[zealous void]

damn

[charred depot]

The best flood vehicle n/a idi diesel decent ground clearance for a car

did ruin a wheel bearing through as grease got washed out

[misty mantle]

The Accent is still sold in the US

[terse relic]

Yes. But 2022 is the last model year for it

[zealous void]

yeh i mean americans prob drive monstertrucks so they fine

[terse relic]

Mid size crossovers, big SUV's and trucks are common.

[zealous void]

true

[misty mantle]

Over here in Cali, most people drive fucking compact cars

Not my family

[zealous void]

my nissan tiny compared to a mini van probably in america

[charred depot]

morrisons supermarket delivery van ended up 400 meters downstream at a ford where I bought the Xantia

[terse relic]

The car has a 7 inch touch screen with Apple CarPlay😊

Nice to have cause I like having my music and maps

[zealous void]

damn a satnv not as cool as that

[terse relic]

Well it doesn't have built in nav

But then again it was $21k total brand new.

[zealous void]

but a turbo leak as cool as that

[misty mantle]

Amongst myself, parents, and grandparents, we have 3 trucks

2 Fords and a Chevy

[terse relic]

Mom drives an Explorer, dad's got an F150

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that

[stoic ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375461451403624471/975889009165352990/IMG_20210409_120700.jpg

SPEED

[charred depot]

my interior, still not replaced the gearknob

[terse relic]

My brother and I have the same Accent SEL 2022, but mines black and his is white

[zealous void]

2 nissan xtrail 1 fiat 500 l

[charred depot]

extra water on hand

[misty mantle]

My dad has an '17 F-150, my mom recently traded in her '13 Explorer for a Bronco Sport

[terse relic]

also the heating works pretty damn well. Like it gets toasty pretty quick in the Accent.

[zealous void]

when i go to america all i not want see squater trucks

[terse relic]

Both my parents have 2018's.

[misty mantle]

I have a '97 Ranger

[terse relic]

Then don't come to North Carolina.

[zealous void]

that good news ill go there

[terse relic]

Squat Nation

[stoic ledge]

Your American Anti Theft Device is broken

[misty mantle]

Well, they dont call it the Carolina Squat for nothin

[charred depot]

wont have the diagram to find reverse, meh you cant do that even with the diagram on a old worn french car

I cant wait to have the gearbox from the Xantia in the 305

[zealous void]

lol

what ur lots dream car even if not possible get

[charred depot]

I own most of my dream cars

[zealous void]

mine the fiat panda 4x4 original jepanese version or mclaren f1 gtr

[charred depot]

505 estate is one I need to get

[zealous void]

mostly just fiat panda tho

[stoic ledge]

Original Japanse version 🤔

[misty mantle]

I own one of mine

[terse relic]

Oooh. Good question. It's a tough one cause I've got multiple.

[zealous void]

different type to most in small ways

[misty mantle]

1997 Ford Fuckin Ranger

[zealous void]

would love to see one in brittish roads they wide as hell

[civic spoke]

Hmm. I guess the Hyundai Accent is more or less just the i30?

[charred depot]

collection of dreams

3 of the vehicles on the left have the same engine block

4 if you include the camera car

[zealous void]

did i just see a renualt cos i in love

[charred depot]

no renaults here

[zealous void]

aww thought i saw one

[stoic ledge]

It's on the Rio platform

[terse relic]

Hmm. LFA, 918 Spyder, Gemera, AMG One, AMG GT-C, EQS

[zealous void]

u lot need a renualt v6 there in america they damn rare

[misty mantle]

One of my other dream vehicles is a 1997 Ford F-250 4X4 5-speed Manual 7.3 Liter Turbo Diesel

[zealous void]

love the lfa

[civic spoke]

Ceed for the i30

[misty mantle]

If you cant tell, Im a Ford guy

[zealous void]

cant u get f750 or something like that

[civic spoke]

Way too big.

[misty mantle]

Thats a cab and chassis

[zealous void]

ah i see

i just like how big they are

[misty mantle]

F-250 is a 3/4 ton

Standard fullsize pickup

[charred depot]

Friends owned 3 ford rangers here in the UK all a bit shit but cheap framed vehicle

[civic spoke]

The F750 is too big to be used for civilian use. And too small for work.

[misty mantle]

Im guessing all 3 rusted out

[charred depot]

rusty yeah but we can weld them for inspections

[misty mantle]

Some people own them for personal use

[stoic ledge]

I meant the Hyundai Accent, it's basically a rebodied Rio

[zealous void]

lol the uk ford rangers the equivelent of most pickups cos all seem be the same

[civic spoke]

Yeah. You're right about that.

[civic spoke]

I guess they don't have a lot of junk in their trunk?

[misty mantle]

Yeah

[civic spoke]

I still would love to own and operate a nice hooklift truck. Dang it.

[charred depot]

The tidiest ranger my friend owned was the worst one

[misty mantle]

although Ive mostly seen the bigger F-series trucks used as tree, service, or tow trucks

[zealous void]

what u lot think about van life?

[charred depot]

despair

[zealous void]

it different but kinda cool

[charred depot]

best pickup truck

[stoic ledge]

Is that a Proton?

[zealous void]

ooh like that

[civic spoke]

Give. Give.

[charred depot]

mhm

[zealous void]

modified or special type

[stoic ledge]

Best pick up

[charred depot]

nah absolutely original

[zealous void]

damn never seen that sort car

[misty mantle]

Holden UTE

[terse relic]

Opinions on the EQS?

[stoic ledge]

That's no EQS

[misty mantle]

Dont ask how an American Like me know what the hell that thing is

[zealous void]

oh they called utes sounds pretty coot tbh

[stoic ledge]

But Lucid Air > all

[terse relic]

That's the concept looked like

[terse relic]

I'd say the EQS is up there too. Both of those cars are definitely better than Tesla

[civic spoke]

The Rivian seems pretty decent as well. For those going the pickup route.

[terse relic]

Now one car I wanna see come onto market is the EQXX.

[terse relic]

I've seen a few of those! They're sick!

[zealous void]

looks very different

[terse relic]

And the owners (who I've spoke to) enjoy driving them.

[civic spoke]

Hypermile EV.

[terse relic]

Yes. Idk why but I LOVE the design of it

[misty mantle]

Seen a few, looks ok, although I would probably end up putting a LS3 V8 into it

[terse relic]

The modifications required to make that work would probably cost as much as the truck.

[civic spoke]

"Mom. Can we have an EQXX?"
"No. We have an EQXX at home."
EQXX at home:

[misty mantle]

Hey, RichRebuilds put one into a Tesla

[terse relic]

Ah, the XL1!

The EQXX got 747 miles on one charge.

That's.. that's impressive.

[zealous void]

lol

[terse relic]

Obviously it was designed for hypermiling but still

That much range in an EV?!

[misty mantle]

Then again, that was a wrecked one

[civic spoke]

How many miles it can travel doesn't tell the whole story. It's all about how far it can travel on how much charge.

[misty mantle]

And hes trying to put a diesel into a tesla as well, if the EPA doesn't manage to shut him down

[zealous void]

wasnt the xl 1 hybrid

[terse relic]

While I still hope that gas cars will continue to be a thing, EV's have gotten to a point where I'd consider or even buy.

[stoic ledge]

Had a 2 cyl diesel yeah

[terse relic]

I think it was a full charge.

[zealous void]

damn that powerful

[civic spoke]

That reminds me that someone has actually driven across USA without refueling once.

[civic spoke]

"Full charge" tells me nothing.
It's like comparing a car that travels 100 miles with a 10 liter tank, to something that travels 500 miles on a 500 liter tank.

[zealous void]

yeh

[terse relic]

Sub 100 kWh according to Mercedes.

Considering most range kings in the consumer space have at least 100 kWh batteries...

[civic spoke]

At least we might be able to know more 'soon'.

Oh, wait.

That was this year. It's already 2022.

I'm stupid.

[terse relic]

😂

What's funny is that the car wasn't just some prototype with tons of batteries and no creature comforts.

It was basically a production car on the inside. Quite impressive.

[civic spoke]

They have gotten an efficiency of 8.3 kWh/100 km which is not bad at all. Whoever drove it. Did it well.

[charred depot]

gotta be charging a subscription for that level of efficiency

dont pay sticks up flaps to make the car less aerodynamic

[civic spoke]

I would guess that it has a 90 kW battery?

https://media.mercedes-benz.com/article/7ff22683-8864-43a7-a26a-e89107251055

If it did 1,000 km's with an average consumption of 8.7 kWh/100km

[terse relic]

Very impressive indeed.

[civic spoke]

Then it would be fair to say that it should have a 90 kWh battery.

[charred depot]

all they say in the technical data is less than 100kwh

[terse relic]

Honestly, there are only two EV's I'd legitimately consider right now. Lucid Air (probably the Sapphire), or the EQS.

[civic spoke]

Could be a 100 kWh battery. And that they just put some aside for wear, etc.

[terse relic]

Could be.

I know everyone says the EQS looks like an egg, but I kinda like the curviness

It looks nice. I've seen one in person

[civic spoke]

The Bolt seems alright. https://youtu.be/NuaFJTQMoPI

[charred depot]

sadly my favourite car has the same aerodynamics as a volvo brick so a conversion is fmmm

[terse relic]

The Bolt is pretty solid. Same for the EV6 and the Ioniq 5. Honestly, most EV's coming out today are pretty nice.

And legitimately could replace the ICE car as a daily for most people.

[zealous void]

tbh the new hummer solid but also very fast for 8 tons of weight

[civic spoke]

I just want most cars today to be less fancy.

[terse relic]

Oh that thing's badass. I would LOVE to drive one

It can CRAB WALK

[charred depot]

make an electric vehicle worse for the environment challenge

EV hummer owners on their way to save the planet while using it to buy groceries

[civic spoke]

You know what can also do that? This thing.

[charred depot]

I need to find a rare unrusty vauxhall calibra for EV conversion

[terse relic]

Yeah. But that's not exactly meant for the road

[misty mantle]

You know what can also crabwalk?

[terse relic]

blasts Crab Rave

[civic spoke]

What do you mean? It has lights and everything! 😄

[charred depot]

Back when insurance was a meme here there was stories of people driving tractors as it was cheaper

[misty mantle]

A CLAAS Zerion 5000 Tractor

[terse relic]

If I wanted a GT car.. it'd be this.

The Polestar 1.

[civic spoke]

But really. It's incredible the turning radius of that Kramer.

[terse relic]

More cars should have crab walking as standard

[charred depot]

some nice extra weight and complexity

[civic spoke]

Are you paying the bill for the all-wheel-steering when something goes bad?

[terse relic]

You right

But funni car go sideways while facing straight

[civic spoke]

Many cars that does have four-wheel-steering does actually have crab walk.

It's just locked out at lower speeds.

[terse relic]

True. It's just cool.

[charred depot]

id like to do a hybrid conversion on something old that is FWD with a custom rear end but just the cost of the motor controller 💀

have spare rear ends for the 305 and saab should I ever stomach the cost

305 would be ideal as no power steering or other assist shite

[terse relic]

Tbh I'd EV swap my car.

Don't get me wrong, I love that thing, and it's got everything I need. CarPlay, reversing camera, plenty of power, responsive handling, plenty of trunk space, and it gets good fuel economy.

The seats are comfy, the climate control is effective...

[charred depot]

the amount of hassle it would be EV swapping something new is like :^ |

and yknow its new, just buy a new EV heh

[terse relic]

Yeah 😂

[charred depot]

Im probably already banned from the BX forum for proposing to convert it to springs, wonder where ill get banned from for proposing a 305 EV conversion

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

See if I get rid of all this citroen shite the BX could be a nice reliable car!

Custom made heater system to replace the citroen lunatic system, and get rid of the hydropneumatic suspension for springs no bother

one thing french cars are truly awful for is heater related lunacy

I mean heater matrix's were dodgy back then on alot of cars actually better made or something these days but citroen doubled down and made the worst valve designs they possibly could.

not only would you have the chance of a burst matrix but also a leaking heater tap

100% of the citroens ive owned have had a heater issue :^)

can see how much coolant was sloshing around in the passenger footwell all the way up to the brim

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

xantia was mega comfy to drive 160 miles back home other than having the window open at night

shame really to rip its engine out for my 305 but needs must

[stoic ledge]

😢

[charred depot]

needs being more than 50hp

[stoic ledge]

51

[civic spoke]

50.5. Take it or leave it.

[charred depot]

I could tune the NA engine and get a bit more but at the end of the day its still going to be shit

inj pump timing was done by eh sounds good enough and its still not been turned up for the extra like 150cc!

It didnt bother me that much till I started doing hilly bits of motorway and not being able to maintain 70 is just awful

I mean I can maintain 70 if I drop into 4th and have the engine screaming the entire way up

[stoic ledge]

[wraith rivet]

I put the stock radio back in my car and the funny thing is that it sounds exactly the same: with one setting off

there’s a special setting on the stock one called Bose Centerpoint and it makes the sound distribution more even like it’s coming from the center of the dash

with that turned off they sound identical

but with that turned off it sounds uneven

and I don’t think that pioneer has an equivalent setting

so back to crutchfield it goes

hours and hours of time all for nothing

[brittle totem]

Well they seem to work good here in Sweden and we have a lot of salt on roads during winter. Same thing goes for Norway which probably is the country with most evs per capita.

[brittle totem]

Where did you find those new what i have heard it turns out to be 6 evs that caught fire not almost every ev that got affected.

[brittle totem]

Not needed with an ev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSR6Y2gNeI0

[brittle totem]

Apple carplay/android auto is way better anyways most integrated one sucks anyways.

[terse relic]

Yeah.

[terse relic]

How did that Tesla survive with them massive panel gaps?

[brittle totem]

This is what 15-17 year old's used to drive around with in Sweden a few years ago they are not that common anymore. Because of the new regulations which make it easier to just rebuild any car to an "a-tractor" which is basically just regular car which is limited to 30km/h and has blocked or removed rear seats.

[brittle totem]

Oh I have seen that car at KKB car meet. Its that Volkswagen that has consumption of like 1/100km right ?

[brittle totem]

And the yearly 1200$ fee for better acceleration

[brittle totem]

Most Teslas are fine panel gap wise it just that the ones that got gaps makes it to media and the news always goes "viral" because everything negative about tesla makes for "great news" which then makes easy money for the news companies. But I'm not saying that tesla is perfect quality wise they have some work to do specially at the us based factories. But my dads Passat does have some quality issues too and Volkswagen has made car car since 1937 and are still not perfect.

[terse relic]

Still. For $155k for a Model S Plaid...

And that car has a host of other problems. Door handles don't work half the time, it doesn't have strong enough brakes or good enough steering.

[brittle totem]

Never heard of any problems with the door handles on the plaid just the early cars from like 2013-2016. The breaks are fine for road use but not for track but I also think that an 1000hp car should have more capable breaks from the factory. But to be fair tesla have never said that the plaid is meant to be driven on track. And if you want to track any car you should always change the "track" break fluid and check how good the breaks are before pouching it to its limits.

[terse relic]

Don't the cars have a track mode?

[brittle totem]

Yes but that's saying that a car with sports mode is a sport car. But to be fair it shouldn't be called track mode it should be called like advanced drive mode or something like that. But it gives you a big warning when you first turn it on saying that you should check the breaks before hand.

[terse relic]

True

[tired sundial]

I would go gas for somthing like the mclearen gt but not a midrange gt

[terse relic]

I see.

But I'd rather go with sleek, low profile

[tepid wing]

I've been thinking about trying to buy a used EV with full Comma/OP support. Does anyone have any tips on how to look for cars and what to look for?

[zealous void]

New battery vhanged one if can

[civic spoke]

Still wanting to know what the dang weight is of the Tesla Semi.

Just saying "It was weighing 81,000 lbs while doing the drive!" means nothing.

So that could mean that it was 30,000 lbs for the truck, and 51,000 lbs cargo. Which isn't a whole lot.

[night current]

I think they said the totaly weight of the cargo was just under 82k lbs

[civic spoke]

The whole thing is allowed to be 82,000 lbs. That's with tractor, trailer, and cargo. All together.

[night current]

Or at least I thought so, I kind of skimmed through the stream.

Ahhh

According to a whistle-blower, (not sure the accuracy of this) they said it was 27k lbs just for the Semi

[civic spoke]

Sounds decently accurate.

But we won't know until it becomes fully public.

[night current]

Yeah

[wispy cloak]

The sct x4 finally got here

[civic spoke]

It's that sweet sweet sound.

[charred depot]

Was considering fitting a diesel heater to my car

bit spensive for the luxury of getting straight into a warm car

great for remote demisting or whatever at this time of year

[fathom socket]

Looks like I'll be driving Iveco stralis

[fathom socket]

Something wrong?

[fathom socket]

I want one since I slept in my car like multiple times and I travel a lot

[civic spoke]

Diesel heater is working again. I think.

[fathom socket]

It's aftermarket?

[civic spoke]

Hell if I know. It appears to be working now anyway.

Can we also talk about how terrible e-dipsticks are?

I THINK the truck is low on oil.

[fathom socket]

E-dipstics?

How does it tell you when it's full?

[charred depot]

trust in the sensor

[civic spoke]

Yeah. Just trust the sensor.

Truck doesn't have an actual dipstick that you can pull and check.

[fathom socket]

I remember dafs had the oil level thing and it was constantly screaming low on oil at random

[civic spoke]

The Volvo basically wants you to bring it up to temp first (unless it's really low).

After that, part on a level surface and turn off the engine, switch to accessories on.

Navigate to the right menu. And there it will tell you the oil level.

But the catch is that it only gets a correct reading after you have been standing still for a certain amount of time.

So it can say "Wait 45 minutes"

[charred depot]

accidentally let the 305 go a little below minimum, it leaks probably too much to pass an MOT

New engine has a recent invoice for crankshaft seals, clutch and a sump so may be a rare XUD which doesent leak

been run on fancy semi synthetic oil

[fathom socket]

reminds me when my oil cap blew off and my engine was so low on oil the dipstick didn't even show any reading

had no low oil pressure tho

[charred depot]

uwot

[fathom socket]

basically all the oil got squirted from the oil cap

and I guess I lost 1.5 litres of oil

[civic spoke]

Did I mention the crane truck I drove for a while? I check the computer what the old level is like. Doesn't register any.

I check the dip stick.

Bone dry.

I drive to a shop to get some oil. Add 5 liters. Barely shows up on the dip stick.

[fathom socket]

I think you did

[civic spoke]

Another 5 liters. And it's fine.

Poor truck.

[fathom socket]

meanwhile the IVECO eurocargo from like 100 years ago I drove

had to trasport fucking Porsche gt3

[civic spoke]

I know that some trucks hate parking in inclines.

[fathom socket]

and it was falling apart with gearbox that felt like jello and could not find gears

[charred depot]

I know someone that shipped their golf from NZ to UK then drove it without oil heh

was fine though

mk3 golf harlequin diesel

[fathom socket]

as long as it doesnt overheat and has enough oil to lublicate

[charred depot]

well they have to be completely drained before they are shipped

[tepid wing]

vhanged?

[zealous void]

Changed

[tepid wing]

On average, how expensive is that?

[zealous void]

Very

But if they done it and selling good price should be good

Like 14 000 some times in pounds

[tepid wing]

I would onlyneed 100 miles of range at the high end.

[zealous void]

Tbh most electric cars have 100 mile minimum on nor low end electrics

[tepid wing]

I feel like the hardest thing to search for and get is the OpenPilot support.

[zealous void]

open pilot as in drive assist or something else?

[tepid wing]

https://comma.ai/

[zealous void]

Ah i see

Doesnt look bad

If i go electric ill do a project for the electric car

[tepid wing]

Outperforms Autopilot and is much safer.

[zealous void]

Ah i see

[glacial root]

Shit looks like beamng.drive

[zealous void]

Lol

[tepid wing]

That's a complement for beamng.drive.

[zealous void]

I would definitly be fooled

[tepid wing]

That's a real picture.

[glacial root]

Honestly the newest update on ultra looks pretty good

The textures are still ass, but they honestly look the same as the ones in that photo

It just looks like Italy

[zealous void]

Wasnt it the shadow animations they did

Or it was something else i thinking about

[tepid wing]

I think that's California.

[zealous void]

Also whats ur lots thoughts on an electric 2007 nissan xtrail t30 build

Would work if can get right program and correct training to do

[glacial root]

They finally added motion blur

[tepid wing]

https://comma.ai/vehicles
Supported cars.

[zealous void]

Ah sound more realistic

[zealous void]

Looks like itd actualy help out

But never thought was too useful

[tepid wing]

But yeah, those are my requirements.

OP and EV.

[vocal mural]

@stoic ledge

Until tomorrow, €0,10 per liter off when using Tango app

[feral reef]

Do you often get super 98? I thought you always went for whatever is cheapest 😂

[vocal mural]

Sometimes my moped go strange running 95E10, so when that happens then I will tank 98E5

[feral reef]

ahhh

Yeah I thought those basically require e5/e0 most of the time

[vocal mural]

Actually, yes. But the price difference is high

[feral reef]

Also that explains why you always get such small amounts of fuel 😂

[vocal mural]

Compare that to Germany. Where you can tank 95E5 for round €0,05 liter extra

[feral reef]

Yeah I'm annoyed we don't get that

[vocal mural]

95E10

95E5

[feral reef]

mhhh I wonder if E5 is actually more economical with those prices

[vocal mural]

And a Dutch price list for comparison

[feral reef]

The fuel economy difference between E10 and E5 is reported to be like 2-5%

[vocal mural]

Bring back 95E5

🖕

Shell

[stoic ledge]

I shall tell my brother

[fathom socket]

my Christmas wishlist

a freaking 20DM37 be4s gearbox

[civic spoke]

Blame the governments.

[crude agate]

Toyan RS-L200 for me

[crisp cedar]

Love doing stuff that annoys people

[spiral crescent]

Love to see the love for the Chevy bolt! xD

[crisp cedar]

How dumb am I?

[crisp cedar]

Yuck

[spiral crescent]

yuck

[crisp cedar]

Am I dumb

[spiral crescent]

for posting horizontal video to tiktok? yeah

[crisp cedar]

I was meaning the stunt

Btw I wasn’t the one videoing

[spiral crescent]

what's the stunt? you drove a $5000 truck with $10,000 of bullshit into a puddle

[spiral crescent]

I'm pretty sure a Civic could ford that water

[crisp cedar]

Fuck your dumb as several trucks on 35s and twin locked can’t even do the mud hole going up that vert hill

[crisp cedar]

You don’t know shit lol

Still better than your fake chev

[spiral crescent]

wtf is that crap anyway

isuzu lookin garbage

[spiral crescent]

you're just mad I'm fast and don't use gas

[crisp cedar]

Ain’t Isuzu😂

And it’s not road legal anyway

Btw I can’t stand evs they are the definition of road maggots

[spiral crescent]

you're the definition of "nobody cares, bro"

[spiral crescent]

cope

[crisp cedar]

That’s why I have no irl friends

So much goodness in this photo fuck evs

[spiral crescent]

do you have CTE?

[crisp cedar]

You are so hurt over petrol cars

[spiral crescent]

https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/corvette-ev

[spiral crescent]

you're the one that seemed hurt over my dorky EV

[crisp cedar]

Yuck that’s as bad as the ev mustang

[spiral crescent]

you're dumb

[crisp cedar]

It’s fugly

[spiral crescent]

it's literally the same thing

[crisp cedar]

I wouldn’t even want to be paid to drive your shitbox

[spiral crescent]

And I wouldn't want to be paid to look at yours but here we are

[crisp cedar]

Nerd

[spiral crescent]

fact my Chevy costs less than you pay for gas every month

[crisp cedar]

That’s not even my daily driver😂

I have a big diesel as a daily driver as I’m all about fucking the world up😂😂🤣😂🤣

Every ev I see gets sooted on by me

[spiral crescent]

coal powered car motherfucker

literally my car runs on fucking coal you CANNOT claim to be more american than me driving your arab-juice-mobile around

[crisp cedar]

What’s wrong with that

[spiral crescent]

MINE. not yours.

[crisp cedar]

I don’t even live in America

[spiral crescent]

Sure sound like one lol

[crisp cedar]

Nope

[crisp cedar]

Racist much

[spiral crescent]

yes, I dislike OPEC. Is that racist?

[crisp cedar]

Huh

[spiral crescent]

OPEC.

[crisp cedar]

Why

[spiral crescent]

Because they're literally a cartel?

[crisp cedar]

Do you hate it

So your a greenie

[spiral crescent]

As of September 2018, the 13 member countries accounted for an estimated 44 percent of global oil production and 81.5 percent of the world's proven oil reserves, giving OPEC a major influence on global oil prices that were previously determined by the so-called "Seven Sisters" grouping of multinational oil companies.

No, I just hate giving money to racketeers. Countries that are literally "no good" derive most of their wealth from oil. In the US the situation is particularly dire, as we have plentiful natural gas and coal that could power us instead, but we ship oil in from across the globe

[crisp cedar]

Good night loser

[spiral crescent]

no u

[crisp cedar]

New Zealand best country ever

[spiral crescent]

joke country

[crisp cedar]

How

[spiral crescent]

Tax haven, PRC client state

[crisp cedar]

Wrong

[spiral crescent]

Right

https://www.businessinsider.com/panama-papers-say-new-zealand-offshore-tax-haven-2016-5

[blazing tide]

lol huh thats how dealing with a loser is like
pressing deny response whenever cornerd

important queston
is this meme contain placebo effect that it is harder to unsee

both dcuktails

[spiral crescent]

ford fusion front

[blazing tide]

dude that left headlamp looks a bit mustang-y

i mean yeah ford but

wow good crop too here

never saw one of those fusions here in
VA

[spiral crescent]

You've never seen a ford fusion?

they're literally at least as common as like, mazdas or nissans out here

[blazing tide]

never have I seen fusions
at my younger teenager age and go 'it headlamp like mustang'
i just realized it now
*ok not now but havent gotten totally sure until now
oh yeah never seen was ignorant of me, I typed that like im in the far suburbs

[tired sundial]

Naw your tripping

[fathom socket]

I mean if u look at it what america has done to those countries u cant blame them

[stoic ledge]

@vocal mural look another VAG product spontaneously burned down

[charred depot]

Im allowed classic insurance now, guess I can have more cars : )

like £200/y for unfettled stuff and £400/y for my mortified 305

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

305 will be going on a track day for a laugh once the new engines in

Find out whats faster

[stoic ledge]

I'm sure the 305 has perfect racing suspension

[charred depot]

alarm "bank angle"

[fathom socket]

I feel like flooring my 307 on first gear isn't fast enough in Italian traffic

I would be terrified to drive in like fiat 600

[stoic ledge]

Imagine if you had the 1.4 xD

[fathom socket]

I think the lowest it came with is 1.6 I think

but not sure if it was diesel or both

[stoic ledge]

SW and CC yes, hatchback and break were also available with a 1.4

[fathom socket]

oh god

[stoic ledge]

Both petrol and diesel

[fathom socket]

but I can't imagine freaking station wagon this big with 1.4

[stoic ledge]

1.4 8v 75hp, of 1.4 16v 90hp

Yeah 1.4 is too little

1.6 16v is doable

[fathom socket]

also

my car dies on hills when RPM is close to 2000 or lover

but my moms freaking 1.3 yaris still goes up hill on 2nd gear fine

even when the engine feels like it's stalling

[crisp cedar]

@spiral crescent fuck your evs

[spiral crescent]

Fuck ur trucks

[sinful creek]

Car drama go hard af

They’re going to kids next, watch

[night current]

Both trucks and evs are cool. 🥲

[wispy cloak]

Truck better

[tired sundial]

Fuck your ev

[wraith rivet]

that’s a nice sound

[plucky flame]

16 second 0-60

I could sprint from 0 to 60 quicker than that goddamn

[wraith rivet]

more like 10

he didn't actually go until like 7 seconds into the video

maybe 6

[night current]

I counted 11, but yeah.

[wispy cloak]

It is untuned and it weighs 7000lbs

But it'll be getting tuned soon

[vocal mural]

Nice picture at the Forth bridge

[brittle totem]

BMW "mpv" is better.

[vocal mural]

@stoic ledge Did you experience snow this morning?

[stoic ledge]

Sadly, no

Kek although I just look out the window, and it's snowing

Although I don't think the snow will stay

[burnt solstice]

What in the what

I have had that i needed to downshift because i didn't give enough power to the metal

But never that it actually died

i had to downshift bcs it was at the 1k mark but it was probably lower

We have 1 car that needs a solid 20 seconds to hit 100 kmph/60 mph from 40-50

Thing is slow af

Luckily we have a better car

[feral reef]

Maybe it's time I get my winter tires put on 😂

[stoic ledge]

Kek imagine having winter tires

😛

[brittle totem]

Well most of the snow is already gone here😕

[bitter compass]

Lowland people 👀

I look down on you

Literally

I live 900 meters above sealevel

[stoic ledge]

I am above sea level!

I live in the part with hills

Not 900 meters above sea level tho

[feral reef]

I'm below sea level I think

Oh actually no I'm 2-3 meters above

[stoic ledge]

I'm quite low as I live in a valley (~40m), next neighbouring villages are ~40m higher up

[feral reef]

So you basically have to live in Limburg? haha

Or maybe you live somewhere on the eastern border 🤔

[maiden grotto]

Where aux

[woven leaf]

had to giggle seeing this lol (hoovies garage episode)

[stoic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/vastelaovend-nao-t-zuuje-limburg-l1-heerlen-gif-16252792

[feral reef]

That's a yes

[stoic ledge]

It's even better, it has an integrated phone dock

[stoic ledge]

Me + car in 🇳🇱, river = border, background = 🇧🇪 😛

[feral reef]

That's one of the few redeeming qualities of Belgium

The landscape

[stoic ledge]

(or you can just look up the garage at my license plate holder)

[stoic ledge]

Also reeeeally depends on where you are

[feral reef]

very true

The hilly bits are nice

i've been on holiday to here before https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouren

Very nice

[stoic ledge]

I think I've driven through it, been to Luxembourg a few times (ofc) xD

[feral reef]

haha

[maiden grotto]

Opel still makes cars?

[feral reef]

The closest supermarket was actually in Luxembourg

[stoic ledge]

Yes?

[feral reef]

My Mom had 2 generations of Zafira, both shitboxes

Especially the earlier one

[woven leaf]

is it true that most of the Netherlands is under sea level?

[stoic ledge]

Heh similar to our German holiday vacation: closest gas station etc was in Austria

[feral reef]

I don't think most of it?

Just a large part

[stoic ledge]

Only the stupid part a.k.a Randstad

[feral reef]

Probably most of the population?

[maiden grotto]

I thought they where one of the companies that died in the 00s

[woven leaf]

oh most of the pop?