cars

[wraith rivet]

yummy delicious food

micro center

[plucky flame]

I dont have a job and i dont have friends that hang out with me.

[wraith rivet]

idk

[plucky flame]

I have absolutely no reason to drive other than the novelty of it

Which will quickly run out when i run low on gas.

[wraith rivet]

get a job

[plucky flame]

Why

To pay for what

[wraith rivet]

then infinite delicious food and gas and pc bits

[plucky flame]

I dont need anything

[wraith rivet]

and in general a head start on life

savings

one day you’ll leave

[plucky flame]

Ive spent my entire life trying to get a head start on life

[wraith rivet]

how

[plucky flame]

If anything im behind.

[wraith rivet]

because you can’t drive and don’t have a job

🤨

[plucky flame]

I dont need to drive or have a job

[wraith rivet]

you do to get a head start on life

Lol it’s a circle

[plucky flame]

This is like trying to convince me to learn how to swim.

It aint happening.

[wraith rivet]

tf why

[plucky flame]

I dont need it

I never will

[wraith rivet]

lmfao

guess you’ve never been to the beach or to a pool party then

[plucky flame]

I live in the middle of the country. Theres not a single body of water i need to go into.

[wraith rivet]

hmm what’s a good analogy

[plucky flame]

There isnt one

I will not change my mind

[wraith rivet]

Ok lol

have fun being homeless then

eventually you’ll need to leave

dropping into the world with no savings isn’t the brightest

but whatever floats your boat

[plucky flame]

You act as if i am poor?

[wraith rivet]

are your parents going to pay for everything once you move out?

or do you have savings already?

hey put it back

1 series Beamer?

niceeee

just slightly??

that’s really good

are you planning on doing anything to it or just keeping it stock?

😂

California probably has less strict laws then you which is saying a lot

Tf

why??

Lmao

that’s rough

[spiral crescent]

coilovers are terrible lol

[river urchin]

any idea if it smarter now to get a new toyota Camry or used one? I keep seeing used ones at 100k+ miles and like 7 years old. Their 10k cheaper than new but cmon, thats a lot of miles for a 10k discount. any thoughts?

[spiral crescent]

are you in the US? our car market is kinda fucked right now

used to be that cars would lose between 30% (reliable economy cars) to 50% (unreliable luxury cars) of their value within 3 years, 30k miles or so. now? yeah if you can get a good deal on a new car, better to do that than pay a premium for something heavily used. Otoh Camry are kinda expensive for what you're getting unless you plan on keeping them for years and a hundred k miles plus

[river urchin]

I’m In the u.s. sucks cuz I would buy a Camry at 21k but refuse to buy from a dealer where the price is 26k

[spiral crescent]

have you thought about a chevy malibu? just about as nice, used ones with 30-50k miles go for well under 20. close to 15

[stoic ledge]

Very nice, gg

Alpinweiß

[stoic ledge]

Not just the US, but yeah

[loud plank]

100,000 + kms in < 4 years isnt that a lot

Must have been a highway driver though

Oh thats good though, less wear/tear on the car if its true

Oh wow very nice deal!

In terms of specs

Very nice

Dam very nice ! Hope you enjoy it bro!

[stoic ledge]

Does it have Harmon/Kardon? Can't see it in the pictures :)

[civic spoke]

Says that it does in the text.

[hoary pine]

Apparently Porsche think camping on top of a 911 is a good idea.

[fathom socket]

I don't think camping on top of a car is a good idea

especially expensive one

I'm already full of anxiety when sleeping inside car

[brittle totem]

Specially in USA i have heard that some people have hade their driving test in private place for like 10 mins with no traffic and you only need to do some simple things and then you have your licenses. Witch is joke compared to it how it here in Scandinavia and most parts of Europe.

[civic spoke]

Have you seen the auto leveling that Rivian has?

[hoary pine]

https://www.porsche.com/stories/experience/a-classic-porsche-adventure-just-add-tent
They even did made an article about that before releasing their own tent.

[fathom socket]

I've seen some caravans with auto leveling

[civic spoke]

That would be so nice.

[fathom socket]

also I'm fucking pissed because the mechanic almost did nothing in the 5 weeks I had my car left there

[brittle totem]

Are you serious about that if you miss the smallest things here in Sweden you have instantly failed here in Sweden you need to nearly do a perfect drive to pass.

[fathom socket]

apparently they are blaming that the head didn't arrive yet

[brittle totem]

What is the special rules for a license under 18 in USA I have heard that you are not allowed to driver late at night or with friends without parents our someone over 21 with a license are there anymore ?

[brittle totem]

Here in Sweden it is like requirement to know how to swim or otherwise you basically wont pass elementary school.

[brittle totem]

How much will the monthly cost each month to run that car ?

[viral raptor]

My driving test here in Finland was to drive around a small town for like 10min and park once and that was it lol

[brittle totem]

Same here in Sweden if you want to tune your car you need to do a registration inspection to make it street legal and that will in most cases higher you insurance cost and tax to on your car. But I don't know how strict they are about that because i have seen a lot of heavily tuned cars on the streets and car meets that I don't think have been inspected at all.

[brittle totem]

Not just US it fucked everywhere specially the EV market or new cars in general.

[brittle totem]

Why not the 911 is the ultimate daily driver right ?

[brittle totem]

Seems like Tesla owners loves to sleep in their cars. Their even brands making specially made "beds" for Tesla cars. And they even have a camp mode intergraded in their software. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_3xfMYGzbg

[fathom socket]

I tesla is something that's wayy out of my budget

[brittle totem]

The insurance alone would have been like 690$ a month for and 8250$ a year for me and the same for my brother to he wanted to buy an 135 or a 140 or a similar 2 series but the insurance is no joke here until you are over 25 years old. And keep in mind that those cars with a very low mileage is like 40000$ in Sweden. And the insurance on the cheapest m2 in Sweden would be like 2200$ a month so you are basically paying the whole car in insurance cost in less then 2 years of ownership.

Same here and the police is always at the car meets chatting with people and things like that and to check so everything goes right. But they doesn't seem to care about most car hasn't hade their inspection for their tunes done.

[brittle totem]

Yeah it depends on where you are located to if you live in a small village the driver test is easy in Sweden but I live near Stockholm so it is a bit harder here. Hers is a list of everything that I needed to pass to get my licenses. Vehicle and safety check
Driving position
Parking
Reversing around corners.
Unprotected road users
position in Lane
Lane change
roundabout
highway driving
follow traffic signs to a location
vehicle maneuvering
hill start
Street crossing
Signal-controlled crossing
Stationary vehicle/obstacles
Driving towards a location.

[viral raptor]

Probably similar over here if you go to the capital

[loud plank]

that is fairly common at least here in Australia from my experience

However, Australia sees driving as a right not a privilege, i.e. there are a load of really bad drivers, so bad that you wonder how they got their license

[hoary pine]

Depends on where someone living driving might be basic need and should be a right.
On other hand even if it was granted if one misuse their right it is not always necessary to let them keep it tho.

If we have people jail we of course can have car jail.

[brittle totem]

Have you seen how they do their driving test in stated like Florida its like 10 minutes at most in like a parking lot and sometimes its even an empty parking lot without trafic or an private road without trafic at all.

[loud plank]

yea ive heard. It is ridiculous

[brittle totem]

They are basically giving out license for "free" over there i would like to se driver that just have passed in US to take a real drivers test and se how it goes then. But in US a license and car is like a most because you can't really walk anywhere if you are not living downtown in a big city.

[loud plank]

I wrote about 10. - 12 pages of study and notes on good driving practise and road rules etc and good habbits in terms of driving when i studied for my test

I wanted to make sure that i understood and set my self to be a good driver

[viral raptor]

Since you mentioned Florida, I recently was there on a vacation and some of the drivers had me questioning if they even had a license at all

[brittle totem]

I did most of my theory thing with an really good app on my phone its basically the whole driving theory thing but in a app form. And I passed driving theory and driving test first try to.

[brittle totem]

Yeah but you cant rally blame the drivers to its more like that they need re do their whole driving ed thingy to make it way harder and much higher standards to pass the test. Maybe do the test in real traffic and not on private roads.

[loud plank]

Yea nice nice!

[hoary pine]

I was shocked when I saw our theroy lesson materials.
I was shocked by how simple that was, and there are people keep failing that.

That was like just a few dozens pages booklet, few rules each pages and with lot of graphics.

[brittle totem]

At our theory test we have 70 question's 5 of them is test questions that they will maybe have in the test in the future so they don't count. And you their is 65 real question and you need to answer right on 52 of them to pass.

[vocal mural]

Blue round = Regulatory,
Red and white round = Forbidden
Red and white triangle = Warning
Brown = Touristical

[loud plank]

this is Australia's practise tests: https://practicetest.rms.nsw.gov.au/pages/practice-tests?init=true

New south wales within aus*

[hoary pine]

We have few dozen (can't remember, should be around 50-60) multiple choice, and you only need like 70or80%

[loud plank]

we have 45 in our test, 40 need to be 100% correct, and a section of around 5 you can have 1-2 wrong depending on the situation

[hoary pine]

And people can fail that.

[loud plank]

its something you finish in around 15mins

and on your 'L's', your learner licences (min 16yrs, and hold for 1 calendar yr), you have to log 120 hours of driving, of which 20 of those hrs must be at night (after 6pm or equvilent

[hoary pine]

IMO if you was paying attention at all you just can't fail that, yet people still does.

[brittle totem]

We have question's about this 4 category's Vehicle knowledge & maneuvering, Environment/eco driving, Traffic safety, Traffic rules and Personal conditions and safety.

[brittle totem]

Here in Sweden you have a maximum time of 50mins and most people are there nearly the whole time. For me the test took me like 40 minutes and then a used the 10 minutes that was left to double check everything.

[brittle totem]

Yeah in Sweden you need to check every mirror like constantly to pass the test.

[hoary pine]

I was like finished in 8 minutes but have to sit through the whole 45 min or something.

[hoary pine]

For the road test it was a like as soon as you drive like a normal person you will not have major mistake and as soon as you make sure the judge see you checking things you will not have enough minor mistakes.

[brittle totem]

Here is what the insurance would be on a Koenigsegg CCR so half the price of BMW M2.

[brittle totem]

So apparently 2 Koenigsegg has been scrapped in Sweden didn't know that at all I thought that Koenigsegg repaired most of their cars even if they where in extremally bad shape like the one:1 that that they crashed on Nürburgring.

[wispy cloak]

Depends on the state

In my state there's a curfew and you can't have more than one person under 21 in the vehicle

Unless their a family member

And a lot of people ignore that rule

[brittle totem]

What is the punishments if you get caught with a passenger under 21 in the car ?

[wispy cloak]

I don't remember but I don't think it's very much

[brittle totem]

In california they seem to be very strict about it.

[civic spoke]

The question is how much they enforce it.

[lone fern]

in Michigan, you have to have driven for one year to have more than one non family member in the car, unless it’s a school event

or if you have a farm license then you can drive at like 13

of course the rule is ignored as well

very lax driving test but they at least teach you how to handle snow driving (at least through who I took lessons through)

damn that’s unfortuanate

no engine restrictions here luckily

or vehicle inspections which i kinda wish they would have bc i’ve seen some cars that are 100% gonna snap in half due to rust if they hit a pothole

[hoary pine]

In Hong Kong you are with probationary license for first year, you put a P sign on your car, you drive below 70(effectively 80) and you don't go to the fastest lanes in highway of three lanes or more, if you don't get caught in a year you have full license and drive like everyone.

[lone fern]

i think my truck would have 55kw per tonne if my math was correct

[lone fern]

interesting, do they use speed governors or is it a trust thing?

[hoary pine]

So you can have full license as early as 19 here.

[lone fern]

I can get my full license when I turn 17, which is in half a year

but rn I have a curfew at 10pm (which is loosely enforced) unless it’s for school or work

[hoary pine]

We have speed camera, no additional device on the car but if you get caught your probationary license extend, if caught enough times you have to take the test again.

[lone fern]

Ah ok

i hate the way the us uses speed cameras as money printing machines bc istg the few speed cameras near me are at the bottoms of hills

they also put cops at the bottom of hills like wtf ofc you’re gonna be a little faster than the limit when you’re going down a steep hill

[hoary pine]

Usually they don't brother give you tickets for effectively 17 km/h over limit :p

At 18km/h over limit they start giving tickets.

So 10 above sign are pretty safe here.

Rule as written as soon as you go above the limit you get a ticket, but in practice they only brother giving tickets for the next tier offence which is 15 over limit, and there are 3km/h "Instrument error" benefit of the doubt, that makes 18km/h

And most of time they even have a sign effectively saying "hey there is a camera ahead please check your speed or we have to give you ticker"

(not exactly, just a camera sign

[brittle totem]

So you have like skid track like we have in Sweden in your state to ? Where you get to learn how to handle the car if you looses control on ice or at least get how it feels to loose control over it. Or is just a theory course ?

Here in Sweden you can practice drive in a Koenigsegg if you want to. But I have seen people that has done their private practice driving in Ferraris and Lamborghinis. And when you get your licenses at 18 you can driver whatever car you want no restriction at all.

So when you are 18 you are not allowed to drive a car with over 175hp ?

[hoary pine]

Oh here in Hong Kong there are super car with probationary sign and once a while rich kid did stupid things in it.

[brittle totem]

Here in Sweden you have your license at "test" for the first 2 years so if do anything bad you have a chance of loosing you license and you are forced to do all the driver theory and tests again. But after that 2 years if you looses you license you will get it back after your "ban" from driving is over in most cases. And most common is that you only get a fine to pay when a driver that has an "test" licenses would loose it completely.

[brittle totem]

Norway even has average speed cameras witch is way worse. But to be fair most their roads you cant really drive that fast on if it is not an highway.

[hoary pine]

Similar story here, with probationary license you are more likely to lose the license, they are probationary after all.

Some people just outright not driving in the first year too.

[brittle totem]

Anything up 29km/h over the speed limit is usually just a fine and everything above 30km/h over the speed you limit you will need to say goodbye to your license.

[hoary pine]

Here are like up to 29(+3) there are fine and penalty points
44(+3) there are heavy fine and more penalty points, more than that you go to court and lose the license, might also have other penalty if that is terrible enough because that count as careless driving.

[brittle totem]

So yeah no Koenigsegg then if you are under 20. So you basically have restricted license until you are 20 years old ?

[civic spoke]

That's the nice thing about driving a truck. It's hard to lose your license on the freeway.

[brittle totem]

Its impossible right aren't all trucks limited to 80km/h ?

[civic spoke]

Oh, yeah. The Aussies have power to weigh and all sorts of stuff going with their license.

Similar to our bike licenses.

[civic spoke]

They are usually locked to 90 kmh. But it's tough going 30+ kmh over on a 70 kmh road.

[hoary pine]

For a around 2 ton car around 350hp limit are pretty reasonable IMO.

[brittle totem]

So the same rules counts for a truck license to ?

[charred depot]

Truck drivers when they are behind another truck with a 0.5kmh lower limiter lets goo

[brittle totem]

Oh so that is the reason why have been waiting for your BMW 140I for "so long". Is the deal done on that BMW 140I you where looking at ?

[civic spoke]

Yeah. More or less. But it would probably be more likely that the trucker would get caught for reckless driving in those cases.

[civic spoke]

Tires and such is enough to be that difference.

[charred depot]

In scotland we have a lower truck speed limits than engoland

Same sign

[civic spoke]

Oh, that reminds me. Let me find a sign.

[brittle totem]

So you haven't "secured" the car yet.

[charred depot]

Single carriageway, dual carriageway, motorway

[charred depot]

I enjoy being behind a truck in scotland doing 56mph flying around corners on b roads

[civic spoke]

"does not apply to vehicles under 3.5t"

[charred depot]

Same roads some people in cars do 40mph on

[hoary pine]

I think we all understand, human tends to not able to sleep before the day they need alertness the most :p

[brittle totem]

Reminds me off this road that is very close to where I live in some cases the trucks are driving faster then people in regular cars. If you don't count the typical porsche driver that if flying pass everyone at like 150km/h.

Congrats on the new car I guess. How much did you get for your e90 ?

[civic spoke]

I know where that is.

[lone fern]

No, I learned to drive in the winter, plus they instruct you to loose traction on purpose so you can learn how to correct without excessive braking/overcorrecting

not sure how they do it in the sunmer

[civic spoke]

They have low-traction surfaces here to simulate driving on the snow.
They also have cars with 'training' wheels. That will lift up the car, to loosen traction.

[civic spoke]

Btw. Driving on that road is boring. If you're not doing well above the speed limit. It's more fun in a truck, than a car.

[brittle totem]

Of course you do it one of the more famous roads in Sweden.

[civic spoke]

Helps that I've driven on it a few 100's of times.

[brittle totem]

Problem is that their is always a car with trailer that runs the fun or some one in a big truck 🤔

[civic spoke]

I'm the kind of truck driver that will actually drive the speed limit whilst fully loaded on that road.

[brittle totem]

I Have probably driven their at least 50 times and I have hade my license for a bit more then 3 months. I live like 10km from that road.

[civic spoke]

You've driven past the quarry/dump that's there several times, then.

[brittle totem]

Just a bit annoying but I respect the truck drivers that are actually doing the speed limit and are driving safely. I hate the truck drivers on that road that has like a following distance of like less then 10 meters. If you need to brake hard you are basically guaranteed to be rear ended.

[civic spoke]

And then there's this massive one.

[brittle totem]

This one ?

[civic spoke]

That's bottom one. Jehander, and then there's an concrete, and asphalt place there, too.

That's the one I was thinking of.

You don't really think about it too much when just driving past it.

[brittle totem]

I actually did my first drive with a trailer to that location. To get some gravel/sand for my parents.

[civic spoke]

Ahh.

You forget how quickly material starts piling up.

Only drove half the day today. Still did like 75 tonnes.

[brittle totem]

Have you been to that location alot ?

[civic spoke]

Which location? Riksten?
I was working way up North of Stockholm today.

But Riksten I've been to quite a bit.

Probably driven out a few thousands of tonnes from Riksten. Now that I think about it.

[brittle totem]

I used to go to school in Riksten "Riksten skola" from 6-9 grade. Have you ever spotted a Flamenco Red BMW active tourer our black Passat with "kexchoklad takbox"

[civic spoke]

I have. How can you miss that?

[brittle totem]

The Passat I guess ? prefect thing to have on car so you always find it in a parking lot.

[civic spoke]

Yeah, the Passat.

The higher fuel cost would suck, tho.

[brittle totem]

Of course we dont have it on all the time mainly only duing winter to have skies in it. But it is my dads company car so he doent pay for the diesel anyways just for the distance that he is driving privately.i guess that yoj have spotted it on "ica nära riksten" or on "slingerbulten" he drives their alot like everey thursdays.

But we hade it on Norway trip and the fuel consumption wasn't that bad all so I dont think it will affect fuel consumption that much.

[civic spoke]

Must have seen it somewhere on the 257

[frigid anchor]

My petrol cost for the month of August is 320$ for 5k km

[brittle totem]

Slingerbulten is a nickname for that stretch on road 257. But you probably knew that already.

[civic spoke]

Yeah, I do. That name is more used than 257.

[brittle totem]

Is it a 335I ?

[civic spoke]

That sounds cheap.

Yeah, that's real cheap.

[frigid anchor]

Around 22 kmpl on highways

[brittle totem]

Oh my brother used to have a black 330i e90 manual. Witch he got for like 3500$ and fixed some small problems on it and sold it a dealer for 8500$ so a big profit right there.

[civic spoke]

I just checked. And I've bought fuel for 70,000 SEK over the time that I have kept track of it.

50,000 km's, 4,000 liters, 70,000 SEK

More or less.

[brittle totem]

Only have 2 pictures of it and they both sucks.

[jade topaz]

supra

[wraith rivet]

wat

😐

[frigid anchor]

My internet is shit

[civic spoke]

Seems like it has switched owners quite a few times in the last 3 years.

[frigid anchor]

Can't even see the pictures

[brittle totem]

Yeah e90 used to be very cheap for awhile but they have goin up in value a lot during the last couple of years in Sweden. He used was lucky with the timing when he bought it and got it for a very good price but it hade around 200,000kms on it when he bought it.

[vocal mural]

Does anyone have tips for me how to drive a trailer for my BE exam next week?

[civic spoke]

Uhh. Make sure that you check that the load is secured and everything?

[brittle totem]

Yeah he only owned it from April 2020 to April 2021. He likes to switch cars like once a year to try something different. He traded it for a 330i coupe witch was like fully loaded.

Its listed for sale right now if you want to look at it. https://www.car.info/sv-se/car-for-sale/bmw-330i-sedan-manual-258ps-2006-36801601

Seems like the current owner have replaced the m sport steering wheel with the ugly stock one.

[brittle totem]

Have you practiced your reversing skills with a trailer ?

[civic spoke]

Still looking around at 125i for sale.

[brittle totem]

It seems like he wants to keep his Abarth during winter to but you newer now with him. If he finds anything nice in his budget that he will most likely go for it. Or buy something cheaper as an 2nd car during winter.

[frigid anchor]

For that price in india you can get a new small hatchback ☹️ and i mean 8k dollars

[civic spoke]

Newer cars are honestly terrible in terms of spending money.

Most just go down so much in value over the years.

[brittle totem]

But I think that there is still a chance that he will miss having a RWD car during winter. And if that is the case he will probably be on look out on RWD BMW. Or maybe an e90 with XDrive and then that famous xDrive delete.

[brittle totem]

With ones ? cheapest new cars in Sweden goes for like a bit over 10k for a dacia.

[civic spoke]

Prices in India doesn't reflect the prices of cars of the rest of the world.

[brittle totem]

Yeah i think that he total cost for repairs was a bit less then 1k. But for some reason it was fine for that guy that he bought the car from to sell for 3500$ instead of 5500$ that it was listed fore.

[civic spoke]

Sick and tired of it.

[brittle totem]

But if my brother deicides to use the Abarth during winter it will run the perfect history of newer being driven during winter that is has right now.

[wispy cloak]

I still do not understand how a shop can replace tires without being authorized to do so, use the wrong size, and use the worst brand possible and think that its okay

[brittle totem]

they will do it until someone stops them from doing it.

Here is what you can get in Sweden for a bit more 16000 AUD. They seem to have a bit more options they car but the mileage is way higher. And that 330d doesn't look like its been cleaned at all. https://www.blocket.se/annons/vastmanland/bmw_330_i_xdrive_sedan_aut_m_sport__comfort_272hk_navi/102436902 https://www.blocket.se/annons/stockholm/bmw_330_d_xd_coup__aut_comfort_adap_skinn_nav_245hk_1163_man/100372163

[timber oar]

Why is it that everyone here seems to be bmw fanatics

[civic spoke]

Because it's one of the few brands that still makes and sells cars that are rear-wheel driven.

[brittle totem]

Overall nice cars and my favorite german brand the manage to keep comfort/luxury but are sporty at the same time perfect mix. Even my moms active tourer is fun to drive for what it is.

[timber oar]

I guess that works

[frigid anchor]

That's the point

[brittle totem]

Reminds me of those guys at my local car meet with c63s or BMW mostly that one guy with his M140I and there is guy with latest m5 and he has probably ruined 10 sets of tires just this summer. https://www.tiktok.com/@madztheonly/video/7142137852237712646?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7142137852237712646&q=kungenskurvabilträff&t=1663259435544

[pale trail]

that volvo doing a burnout tho

[brittle totem]

Probably the most Swedish thing and the car meet is in Infront of IKEA.

[pale trail]

those old volvos are so sick

underrated

[civic spoke]

Kungens Kurva? Barkaby?

[brittle totem]

This happened last Saturday rip his license. https://www.tiktok.com/@wediafro97/video/7142529040468004102?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&q=kungenskurvabilträff&t=1663261059766

[civic spoke]

Okay. Yeah. That's Kungens Kurva.

[brittle totem]

Kungens kurva ans sometimes at bromma.

[frigid anchor]

I am scared of loosing traction idk why

My cousin drives like he has to go to heaven quickly

[civic spoke]

It's all about learning to manage it. For every day driving, then you're more likely to understeer regardless.

That said. I need new rears for my winter tires.

[frigid anchor]

My car is an old small cheap hyundai

[brittle totem]

And traction control helps a lot on newer cars to even old BMW has a very good system to. So with a decent pair of tires its fine during winter to.

[civic spoke]

Just remember to always put the good set on the rears.

[brittle totem]

That's correct and the most important thing to have proper winter tires and not shitty all seasons.

[civic spoke]

Hakkapelitta or whatever they are called.

I just use friction tires. Can't stand studded.

[frigid anchor]

My car
It understeers
The steering has no feel
Got small tyres
The brake is sensitive af
Gears take some time
Front suspension not stiff enough
Has got no feature exept for central locking ig

No abs ofc

Suspension is perfect to make the car feel unsafe at high speed

And the interior rattles 👍

[brittle totem]

Seems like a old car traction control/ABS has been standard om most cars for like over 20 years now.

[frigid anchor]

9 yo

Was just a trim above base model so had nothing , the top model had +5hp
Abs & tc
And more things like rear defogger , foglights
These are basic needs nowadays

[brittle totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iddC0aHcqOQ

[tropic mulch]

JDM Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjuaGOD9vKc

[brittle totem]

Typical ram driver trying to fit in at a car meet. https://www.tiktok.com/@zxylpp/video/7123660345129913605?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&q=kungeskurvabiltraff pun gas&t=1663266933519

[timber oar]

what is happening here i cant understand what they are saying

[brittle totem]

It's in Swedish they said "what a fucking idiot"

[timber oar]

i figured there was some kind of expletive there lmao

i couldnt tell if it was a good kind of holy shit or if it was a bad kind of holy shit 😂

it kinda reminds me of me yesterday

i have one of these that i just finished fixing

i rode it to work yesterday

lets just say i shoulda had my brown pants on

ive been riding a motorcycle for a few months now but thats a goldwing

this ninja is stupid quick

[brittle totem]

Yeah that roundabout can be a bit sketcy last time I was att that car meet i nearly got hit by an BMW driver that lost control while drifting in that roundabout.

[timber oar]

🤦‍♂️

people be out here getting too crazy

[brittle totem]

It was that silver BMW in this video that nearly hit me and my brother. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF1agsQr/

[wraith rivet]

do you all know anything about how the California points system works? I really want to drive my friends a short distance after school but technically it’s against the law to have anyone under 20 years old in my car because my license is less than a year old

I’m tryna figure out if it’s even enforced or what

[timber oar]

well the way i look at that

is

you would have to be misbehaving in some other way

to cause them to pull you over

like speeding or disobeying traffic lights or something

they dont know how old you are especially looking at you from outside a car of call things

like you would have to draw attention to yourself for them to even figure it out

im in colorado they have similar BS here

so just, dont speed, follow traffic lights, stop signs, use your turn signals

drive like a decent human being

i dont think anything will happen

(make sure your friends are behaving and not distracting you)

as thats why they even have those rules in the first place

[wraith rivet]

true

Im not even sure if I do get pulled over for whatever reason if they’ll ask for the id’s of all the passengers

[timber oar]

well i dont know because i have actually never been pulled over so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wraith rivet]

Lol me either

I would like to think I’m a good driver

Thank you I’ll probably do it

[timber oar]

well it certainly hasnt been for lack of trying

our cops dont seem to give a shit out here

i dont think the same can be said for cali

[wraith rivet]

yeah idk

our city has some pretty nice cops but I’m not sure how specifically anything is enforced

or how the point system works

It says there’s only punishments after 2 points… and idk how many having underage passengers is worth

if that makes sense

[timber oar]

well really of the things you could be doing

thats not directly dangerous like blowing a stop sign or speeding so

[wraith rivet]

true

[timber oar]

"oh no i have passengers in a car the world might implode!"

[wraith rivet]

I’d never do that I never look at my phone except for a split second at lights to change my music or something

[wraith rivet]

[timber oar]

if a cop sees you doing that even at a light they will not appreciate it

you wouldnt believe how many people screwing with their phones-

like actual adults that bother to dress nicely and everything

and look like they have important jobs

you wouldnt believe how many are goofing with their stupid phone not paying attention and they try to merge into me while im on a bike

[wraith rivet]

damn

I get pissed at people they’re stopped at a green on their phones

[timber oar]

usually the classic soccer mom or male equivalent

[wraith rivet]

it’s not that hard to see the people in front of you moving or the lights green in the corner of your eye like cmon

[timber oar]

driving a vehicle way bigger than they should be

and sure

on a motorcycle i may be smaller but like

[wraith rivet]

people just can’t get off of Facebook or instagram or whatever for 5 seconds

[timber oar]

my lights work and i signal lane changes 😂

[wraith rivet]

It’s probably because people don’t check their blind spots

They don’t expect a bike because there’s not another lane I guess

I thought it was stupid until my instructor explained it

[timber oar]

no they dont check their blind spots

ive made that mistake a couple times in my cars

[charred depot]

Alot of my friends cars dont even have mirrors on the nearside

tis normal

[timber oar]

i swear i was going to a friends house saturday and on the interstate

3 people in the span of 30 seconds

fuckin tried to merge into me

only reason i dont die is because i watch what people are doing

it actually makes me really salty 😂

driving is probably the most dangerous method of transportation due to the close proximity

and its the one people take the least seriously

[charred depot]

mirrors are for nerds

[wraith rivet]

Exactly

[wraith rivet]

bruh

how

[charred depot]

old

[timber oar]

i think to this day even

[wraith rivet]

old cars didn’t have full mirrors?

[timber oar]

you only need what the left one?

dont quote me on that

nah some old cars didnt have both mirrors

[wraith rivet]

I think it depends on your blind spots and how big your back window is

[timber oar]

idk wtf the point of having mirrors is

its not like people use them

[wraith rivet]

if you have a tiny back window you probably want both side mirrors

[charred depot]

Only need the offside

[timber oar]

they are just cosmetic at this point

[wraith rivet]

Mirrors are for intelligent people who actually know why they need to use them

[timber oar]

yup

i tell you the other thing i hate is people pulling into parking spaces

so they have to back out of them

[charred depot]

Old Leone is the same

[timber oar]

and they dont pay attention backing up and try to kill me that way

[charred depot]

throwback to optional extra passenger side mirror

bring it back with a mirror subscription

[wraith rivet]

I’m guilty of this I can almost never park perfectly the first time

[timber oar]

well

i would rather people back in to spaces

so they go forward leaving them

its also just easier since the front of the car steers

[wraith rivet]

I have a backup camera with cross detection warning though so I never back out while there’s something behind me

[wraith rivet]

That could work but it becomes a problem when there’s people behind you

if you’re in a parking lot and someone’s trailing behind you then you go past the spot then stop they might be in the way

even if you signal most people probably wouldn’t understand lmao

[timber oar]

oh no

a lot of times i do end up pulling in for that very reason

[wraith rivet]

In fowards?

[timber oar]

yeah

[wraith rivet]

I gotcha yeah

[timber oar]

i dont like it but i also get not wanting to wait for someone to faff with parking for 3 hours

thats why bikes are nice i just go around them 😂

[wraith rivet]

😂

[timber oar]

u gotta really pay attention but

bike life is the good life

here in CO they actually do not care about bike emissions

so you just go get insurance and a plate and you're set

[wraith rivet]

what kind of bike?

[timber oar]

i have 2

[wraith rivet]

Electric or gas powered or just a plain bike

[timber oar]

a 90 goldwing

[wraith rivet]

or are you talking motorcycles

Ahhh

Lmao I was imagining a bicycle

[timber oar]

97 zx7r

lol no not bicycles

those are slow and boring

those arent my pictures but it gives you the idea

it wasnt cheap but i took my class and got my motorcycle endorsement in june iirc

[wraith rivet]

ye

[timber oar]

ive been vibing since then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O1zYDDp-n0

you really need brown pants with that thing

thats km/hr but thats basically 0-120mph

a friend has the exact same bike and i saw one for cheap on craigslist and snatched it up

[brittle totem]

Oh wrong video i thought you meant that tiktok basically he just exited because of the sound the car is making and and asks like 10 times if they car has turbo or not.

[timber oar]

lol

i like me a good ol spinny boi

i want one of those h2 ninjas with the supercharger that flutters

[brittle totem]

It was that tiktok with that stupid ram driver that thought that his car could handle a roundabout at like 100km/h.

[timber oar]

well they are in a dodge what do you expect

[stoic ledge]

@brittle totem the 116i appears to be doing 6.3L/100km for now

Which is decent imho

[brittle totem]

Here is the highest displayed range that I have gotten on my moms BMW.

[timber oar]

thats 37mpg

thats actually pretty damn respectable for a car

[brittle totem]

Nearly run out of fuel before that only s bit over 0,6l left in the tank out of 51 liters.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but that's highly inaccurate, and not really a reliable measurement. Should check the average consumption, or keep track of the used fuel and the distance traveled between fuelups

[charred depot]

I always wonder with how like alot of cars have speedos that read a fair bit high. They are lying about their MPG essentially heh.

[pale trail]

this audi is crazy

[brittle totem]

My dads car as an average consumption of around like 45-50mpg. But it is a diesel and Volkswagen so I don't know how accurate that is.

[timber oar]

well diesels usually have higher mpg than gasoline in my experience

so that sounds right

[charred depot]

vel yes

[timber oar]

but i just hear that 3rd person ive never touched a diesel in my life

i thought about getting a diesel when i was looking for a truck but

[charred depot]

me 80's diesel car can achieve ~50 UK mpg

[timber oar]

heard the repairs could get costly and im pretty sure the emissions here is extra obnoxious for diesel

didnt want to deal with it

[brittle totem]

Its based on the average consumption of the last 25km so that can be true because I drove extremally eco friendly before that because the car said 0km left when i still hade like 20km left to gas station so yeah cruise control and eco pro mode the whole way and like 20km/h slower then the speed limit. But we are usually getting around 700km I am resetting the trip meter after every fill up to se how many km we can drive on a tank.

[stoic ledge]

If you keep track of that, just use the numbers to calculate the actually consumption

[brittle totem]

To lazy to that but the "life time" consumption from January 2021 is at like 7,5L/100km according to the car.

[charred depot]

Do you use fuelly mk

[brittle totem]

What type of driving has he done so far mostly city or highway driving ?

[stoic ledge]

I use Spritmonitor

[stoic ledge]

His commute is "city" (town) - highway - city

So probably 50/50

Maybe more highway

[charred depot]

I thought it might have been loose pads

[stoic ledge]

[brittle totem]

BMW claims this for my moms car.

[charred depot]

I know people with 306's getting 55MPG with the same engine as my 305 but aero differences ech

[stoic ledge]

BMW claims 5.6l/100km for the 116i but, that was NEDC

[charred depot]

305 has similar drag to a volvo brick

[stoic ledge]

Volvo :pogwant:

[charred depot]

lovely aerodynamic flat front

I was struggling to get past 65mph overtaking a truck on a B road today

[stoic ledge]

4ft of aerial

[charred depot]

no radio

has a blanked off hole on the side for like a CB / taxi radio

it was a taxi

when I pull down my sun visor I have top 10 ways taxi drivers lose their no claims bonus

[stoic ledge]

[charred depot]

saab has a mega aerial too

shitty reception

[brittle totem]

Volvo 850 with do88 parts = fast.

[charred depot]

will their coolant hoses make my saab fast

was considering getting their saab intercooler but a bit expensive and id have to cut up my NG900 bumper of replace it with a 9-3 one which I dont want to do

[brittle totem]

I am not sure if that will work all there parts is adapted for each specific model but maybe I am wrong if you are interested its probably better to ask them they know way better then me.

[charred depot]

They say that, theres just no room in the NG900 bumpers without cutting them

OG9-3 bumpers stick out way further

[brittle totem]

Optimal track car right here (SAAB 96)

[brittle totem]

Cockpit view from the Volvo 850.

Can you guess witch one who reached the highest speed on the airstrip of this 3.

[timber oar]

i cant even tell what the one in the middle is

[brittle totem]

Toyota GR Yaris.

[timber oar]

im betting on the toyota just because japanese

[feral reef]

It's extremely accurate on my car pretty much lines up exactly with the manual calculation on fill-ups

[brittle totem]

So the mk8 was the fasted on airstrip run the Toyota never reached its top speed before it was time to start breaking. But the Toyota was the fasted on the "track" run but the mk7 wasn't closed behind. all three cars are tuned but the golf mk7 is heavily tuned to around 500hp and is rebuild for track use Both the mk8 and the Yaris is completely road legal.

[feral reef]

is that a GTI clubsport?

[brittle totem]

Yes the one with 300hp stock and the mk7 is a GTI performance.

[timber oar]

oh they looked like beetles to me

😂

[brittle totem]

I think it was some special edition of the GTI clubsport to like an celebration edition if i remember correctly. It came with every single option as standard it even has an akrapovic exhaust system from factory.

[feral reef]

I think akrapovic exhaust is an option on the R too

[brittle totem]

They are latterly complete opposite probably the most capable hatchbacks on track that you can buy right now.

[brittle totem]

It is not worth it at all it doesn't sound good at all for like 5000$ extra or something from factory. If you buy the system directly from then it will sound way better because it doesn't need to trough all of strict regulation as production car need.

[brittle totem]

On the standard clubsport but it was standard on the 45 edition.

[feral reef]

Lmao, it’s listed under “styling”

[long lava]

This was punctured in my tyre. Like a screwdriver bit, no way I ran over it. Yall reckon someone stabbed it in my tyre?

It was all the way in, only the back of the rod was showing

[fathom socket]

Yeah def looks like a flat head screwdriver

[civic spoke]

You say "No way I did it".
But you'd be surprised by the things that can happen without you knowing.

[timber oar]

My friend managed to run over a razor blade

I shit you not

And it went in perpendicular

I don't know how for the life of me he managed that

[stoic ledge]

No burnout when leaving

But nice

[wild tiger]

i have done a burn out turning out of a driveway a few times

my car shouldnt beable to do it but it doesnt care

also random question

i got a tire thats got a iffy spot on it

what axle should i put it on if does go that would more controllable

front or rear?

i know on the older ones you wanted the best wheels on the rear but this gen has indep vs live

[wild tiger]

break my wallet makes a show

[brittle totem]

Probely what is they look good but doesn't sound good enough to be worth so much money.

[wild tiger]

if the x3/5 wasnt such a pile i would have considered one

they can have v8s and stuff

tho v8 bmw means vanos hell and plastic fun

[brittle totem]

But at least he forgot to blink left 😀

[wild tiger]

my friends x3 ticks like a clock

like worse than a 5.4

its bad

i dont have a good photo of my car

mostly bc its a mid 2000s ford truck suv

not even google has a good photo

ford was like lets me a UTE of it

4x4ft bed of depression

[stoic ledge]

Ha

Ngl the indicator was actually on

[brittle totem]

Yeah it was but nearly impossible to se if you dont look close i guess that rear lights has been tinted or something.

[stoic ledge]

I think they are pretty stock

[feral reef]

haha, opposite of my car then

The rear grip on mine is just out of this world

[brittle totem]

Anyways here is how you are supposed to leave in a M140I https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF1tG9Po/

[stoic ledge]

Tiktok 🤮

[brittle totem]

But al the f20 lci I have seen haven't hade their blinkers that dark and they are always very easy to se.

[stoic ledge]

Could be just the video

[brittle totem]

Yeah you need to like turn of traction control completely on a BMW to launch it or something like that. I have tried on my moms car but I cant get it work at all. I know that it has launch control but I just don't understand how it works.

Maybe you hold the brakes for to long or something. I think that you need to let off as soon as it pops up on the dash.

And you need to have fully of to or just in sport traction mode ?

My moms f45 has a whole page in the manual about how to use launch control very useful feature to have on such a car. But it is Norwegian so maybe its something that that I misunderstands but Swedish and Norwegian is usually very close basically the same language. So just sport mode and one click on TC and gearbox in sport mode. And then just press the brake and the throttle at the same times until it says launch start/race start or something like that.

[civic spoke]

Done with work for the week.

[stoic ledge]

Do you need the "sport transmission" for that with the pedals on the wheel?

Apparently not necessary, just 8spd gearbox, warm engine, Sport Plus mode, and then just brakes + gas

[brittle totem]

It doesn't have the sport plus is guess that exclusive for cars with "sport transmission" but the manual has the whole page about launch control so it should have it.

Does you brother 116i have launch control ?

[stoic ledge]

I'm not sure, we have to find out soon

My brothers does have Sport Plus tho

[brittle totem]

Does it have the paddle shifters ? Its like 100$ extra to get the sport transmission.

[stoic ledge]

Nope doesn't have the paddles

[brittle totem]

Is the only different between sport and the normal one that it paddles or is it something else to ?

What is the this option that my moms car has ?

[pulsar turret]

what do you guys think of hybrid cars?

[brittle totem]

I don't se the point with them just got for an full ev or full ice car instead.

[frigid anchor]

I think hybrid is better than full electric
I like Prius 😶

Or do I ?

Hyundai n vision still a concept?

[brittle totem]

Prius is not a plug in hybrid right ?

[frigid anchor]

Ig Prius prime is

[brittle totem]

I don't se the reason to pay like 20k extra for an the "same" car but an hybrid just to get electric range of around 80km. And when the battery is empty the car need to carry an extra 200-300kg witch's will lead to an higher consumption. and nowadays most hybrids is in the same price range as an similar car but an fully electric one.

[frigid anchor]

Plug in hybrid is shit

But

Can't say the same about hybrid ig

I mean

[stoic ledge]

Torque vectoring apparently

[stoic ledge]

And just the pedals yes

[brittle totem]

Like the only reason why people bought hybrids in Sweden was to get a lower tax on their company cars as soon as they removed it hybrids sells has gone down a lot. And most of those hybrids never got charged either.

[brittle totem]

So basically standard with AWD then I guess or why would you add in such a car otherwise.

[frigid anchor]

In india I've see. No strong hybrid

Mild hybrids only

Honda cars and Suzuki

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/BgiFvy8sfmk

[stoic ledge]

Could be idk, maybe Sports Line + xDrive idk

[stable grotto]

[stoic ledge]

Mild hybrid is quite common nowadays, many brands offer them

[brittle totem]

Yeah that is common mainly to reduce tax on their cars.

[civic spoke]

Mild hybrid can be as simple as having the AC and accessories run on a battery that charges as you let off the accelerator.

[stoic ledge]

Reduce emissions tax yes

[brittle totem]

Have you checked your brother cars with m decoder its free website where you can se all of options and package that car has.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I have

Got the report somewhere

But currently not on my pc

[brittle totem]

So my moms car is mild hybrid then i guess that would explain the gauge on the instrument cluster.

[frigid anchor]

One on the bottom is?

[brittle totem]

Yes

Or otherwise I have no idea what it can be.

[civic spoke]

Kind of. But sort of not. The early EfficientDynamics stuff were when BMW introduced electric steering, and the like.

[brittle totem]

I know that 0-20 thing it is live consumption but not what the battery thing is.

[civic spoke]

It's that when you're letting off the accelerator, that it charges the battery.

Coasting and stuff.

I can't tell you how many times I have been driving my car. And then reached for the aid brakes in my own car.

Something that trucks have...

[brittle totem]

It has the optional Hydro Steering-Servotronic so not "fully electric steering" on this specific car like most f45 and f46 has.

[feral reef]

I don’t think that counts as mild hybrid

[stoic ledge]

Don't think that one was MHEV already

Apparently my brother has that too, and that's definitely not a MHEV

[civic spoke]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mild_hybrid

So from what I can gather from that. As long as it has a Stop/Start feature. Then it's basically a "Mild Hybrid"

[feral reef]

yeah that's an extremely broad definition, haha

My car is a mild hybrid then

[civic spoke]

I looked up what the "Hydro steering" stuff was.

And it was electric steering.

But it's probably just variable steering or something.

[feral reef]

This wikipedia page just seems terribly written, it's contradicting itself

[stoic ledge]

MHEV is imho when the starter/generator can assist while driving

[feral reef]

Yeah I agree

That's where the definition starts imo

[civic spoke]

If it can assist while driving, then it would just be a hybrid. And not a Mild hybrid.

Or am I wrong?

[feral reef]

I think full on hybrid can drive on both power sources individually right?

[civic spoke]

Mild hybrids can give you a boost when driving. And it also acts as a starter/generator. But you can't completely drive them on battery alone. Which you can do with hybrids.

[stoic ledge]

That's what I consider assisting 😛

[civic spoke]

Newer mild hybrids are actually not too bad. As long as you don't get the wild jerking when it starts the engine all the time from a stop.

[brittle totem]

Here is full optional list on my moms f45 quite a lot of options on it and a lot of car for "just" 160 000SEK so like 15k$ at the time she bought it. https://www.mdecoder.com/decode/wba2a9106fv474987

[feral reef]

So, is my MX-5 a mild hybrid ( I don't believe so)
It charges a super capacitor when you brake or let off the throttle, and then uses that to run the AC and other electrical bits

[brittle totem]

So any any car produced after like 2013 is an mild hybrid then. Start stop is one of the worst feature on "modern cars" it so annoying specially when it turns off to early and make the power steering unusable.

[brittle totem]

Maybe that's correct but the feel in the steering wheel is way better then in my dads Passat where you cant feel the road at all and I don't like that at all.

[civic spoke]

I'd personally just consider any car that can get any sort of a boost from an electric motor to be a mild hybrid.

If it just powers the AC stuff, then ehh. That's just cheating.

[hoary pine]

When I heard people say mild hybrid what I expect are some even less electric than Prius, where they only use motor to help where ICE are absolute terrible.

[brittle totem]

Mercedes uses mild hybrid to get better acceleration figures and for some "tax cheating" but nearly all car manufactures does that anyways nowadays,

[civic spoke]

(:

Isn't basically all new BMW's sold as mild hybrids these days?

[brittle totem]

Basically all new car is mild hybrids my aunts kia stonic is a mild hybrid,

[stable grotto]

morroco charging 85k$ for having over 285hp and 135k for 400+

but sir.. my car has 11hp hybrid

[hoary pine]

When you did it right a mere 20hp motor can help fight against the weakest link of an ICE quite well so why not.
Everyone working on motor tech anyways.

[civic spoke]

PHEV is where it's at.

[brittle totem]

Does +22hp is from the mild hybrid system and is only available when you are accelerating hard. to get a a bit better 0-100km/h time and I think they reduces the turbo lad a little bit to.

[brittle totem]

Are they charging extra for more hp or is based on the cars emersions per km ? like most countries has.

[stable grotto]

horsepower figures, like a tax bracket for income but hp on vehicles

[feral reef]

284 hp cars about to flood the market

[stable grotto]

on top of i think 20% taxation

VAT iirc

[hoary pine]

We use displacement for ICE and weight for EV in terms of road tax in Hong Kong.
And the import tax are mostly the price tag of the car (higher % for more expensive cars)

[civic spoke]

I just want a hybrid truck.

[brittle totem]

That is a bit weird way to do it so electric car is super expensive then because a lot of them has 300hp+. How does it matter how many hp the car has if the emissions is still very low in the car ? Here in Sweden the tax is just based on on the how much the car pollute per km and not how much hp it has.

[civic spoke]

Give me a truck that has an EV range of just 20 km's and I'm more than good.

Or something that was PHEV with 50 km's.

[brittle totem]

that could maybe be a good idea i guess that truck would regenerate a lot of power back when coasting because the are so heavy.

[civic spoke]

28 tonnes rolling down a hill.

There are already hybrid trucks, I know this. Just not sure how the range is on them. Let me check.

[stable grotto]

im sure there is electric relief packages for full electric cars im unsure i'd have to check their documentation again

[civic spoke]

Hell. I could even do with an EV truck depending on the job I'm doing.

[brittle totem]

Classic porsche 300k+ for the base model and heated seats is still an optional extra.

[stable grotto]

looool

[civic spoke]

This is an EV truck. Give. Give. Give.

[brittle totem]

Oh shit it was vented/cold seats not heated ones.

[stable grotto]

idk why but the scale fo that truck seems.. wrong.. not a huge bed, has the extra axel, and a larger cab which looks like it could have a bed of some sort?

[pulsar turret]

wow, that's look cool

[hoary pine]

The annual tax on EV are quite low here, for a 2.5 tonne EV it is less than 1/5 of an 1.5 L ICE

[civic spoke]

That's just a normal Volvo FMX. But with a giant battery on each side.

[brittle totem]

Dream truck ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTGUpTX3kk

[pulsar turret]

ok

[civic spoke]

Eh. Not really the biggest fan of the Mercedes trucks. Volvo or Scania for me, really.

To give you guys an idea how little I actually drove today. It wasn't even 50 km's with the truck.

[brittle totem]

Just buy a an Volvo emblem and put over the Mercedes logo and steering wheel logo and problem solved 😀

[civic spoke]

Basically 45 km's to/from the work site. And then I drove some loads internally, along with going to the gas station to get something to drink.

[stable grotto]

doesnt volvo own a huge part of scania?

[civic spoke]

No?

[stable grotto]

half

[civic spoke]

"Aug 7, 1999"

[stable grotto]

although 1999 let me look recent

looks like that ended in 2012

[civic spoke]

Oh. It never happened.

[stable grotto]

ah

[stable grotto]

yeah reading that right now lol

at this pace i should just skip to the end of the page to get the real story

[civic spoke]

That's what happens when you only read the headlines 😛

[stable grotto]

not the most important of topics (to me) to spend longer reading about lol

coming in and out of this convo while i answer work emails

lol

[civic spoke]

But yeah. VAG owns Scania.

[stable grotto]

ahh okay cool

[brittle totem]

So Volvo did what Koenigsegg kinda did with Saab when before they went bankrupt.

[brittle totem]

So this one fits your taste better. https://www.volvotrucks.se/sv-se/tools/truck-builder.html#/configurator/fhelectric/sv-se

[civic spoke]

Just the FH EV?

This one. Give.

[brittle totem]

How much more expensive is the ev version over the ice one ?

[civic spoke]

No idea. I just know that you'd get back the cost used for fuel real quick.

Then again. You'd probably have to do slightly different work with EV compared to ICE.

With EV, then you'd probably want to do more night and city work.

With ICE, then you can just keep on rolling throughout the whole day. And do 500 km's in a day.

It also depends on how the charging infrastructure looks like for trucks. Which isn't that great, I want to say.

Since if you're working and driving a lot, then you'd be required to charge up midday, during your lunch.

[brittle totem]

I guess that charging infrustrucre isn't ready yet for electric trucks at least. And you cant really charge them over night on 11kw/h chargers like you can do with a normal ev because that would take way to long.

How many km did you manage to drive on 1 tank ?

I think you can check that trough the iDrive with it will show the statics for your last driver. Sounds reasonable I guess that you where driving not pretty hard and not some kind of eco driving. But with such a car "smiles per gallon" is the only thing that matters.

6-7l/100km i guess and not MPG. That's actually very impressive my moms f45 225i xDrive doesn't get that much lower consumption on a motorway run.

[stoic ledge]

Continuous speed doesn't really change a lot , in acceleration you see differences

Also... Apparently in F-series BMW's you can't sync dual zone climate control?

[brittle totem]

That was what I meant with a motorway run.

[brittle totem]

Are you sure about that ?

[stoic ledge]

Atleast on the F2x and F3x, and I think also the F1x

[stoic ledge]

Not sure about the F4x I think they have a different unit

Ah yeah so that's a different panel

[brittle totem]

Here is the average fuel consumption for the last 1551km.

[stoic ledge]

Google picture but no Sync button

[brittle totem]

I think that is for the normal 2 series and not the active tourer.

[feral reef]

110kph GPS?

[feral reef]

I'm amazed how quickly that that started up

[stoic ledge]

Yeah as the regular 2 is based on the 1 F2x

[feral reef]

110 gps I do about 5.2-5.6 ish? going off memory

[stoic ledge]

I think that control panel is used on the F2x and F3x

5 level cars as in X5/5er?

Yeah they have an "all" button

Or Sync yes depending on the MY

Used to be "All", switched it later to "sync",

But the 1x-2x-3x F doesn't have it

[brittle totem]

Isen't the ingention always nearly instant on all cars. The engine can take a bit longer to start. Like in my dads passat a cold start can take like 5 seconds to do it litterly pops up on the dash "engine is starting please wait".

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I was in my brothers car today and he asked me that as every previous car he had had it

Quite annoying

[feral reef]

My dad's car you can't sync, but that's because both sides have physical wheel you spin

[stoic ledge]

No that's just diesel things

[brittle totem]

Werid thing that f45 has it but not the more expensive 1 and normal 2 series.

[feral reef]

The infotainment on mine takes a while to come on

[stoic ledge]

My car just has cold/hot and an AC button, no temperature setting

[feral reef]

ugggghm, I hate no having climate control

[stoic ledge]

Probably as it's a newer gen

[feral reef]

Too warm > too cold > too warm > too cold

I could probably do without, but I do really love mine

haha yeah

[brittle totem]

Same thing in my moms bmw but is has a sync button too.

[stoic ledge]

Nah, depending on the season I can put it up to ¼-½-¾ to keep the temperature stable 😛

[feral reef]

I live driving with the roof down, it very much helps there 😂

[stoic ledge]

Don't really mind it on this car but on a different car I want dual zone, not because I really care but otherwise it just looks extremely ugly

[feral reef]

My car actually only has a single zone

Which I don't care about because I control the temperature 😂

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so the zoning idc, just the "upper level" climate system as the others just look cheap

[feral reef]

aaah, just climate control

instead of a dumb heater/ac

[stoic ledge]

If single as standard but dual is optional, the optional just looks fancier often

[stoic ledge]

That's what I have now and ngl it's fune for me

[feral reef]

I've never driven a car where it hasn't driven me mad

But I'm also very sensitive to temperature

[stoic ledge]

Like look at Audi, it has temperature setting, but single zone looks ugly

Compared to the upper models

I don't care about the functionality, just the looks

[brittle totem]

So here we have the reason why you went trough a whole tank of gas in like 8 hours from buying the car. Sporty hill driving isen't really the best for fuel consumption.

[stoic ledge]

Identical to my brothers... Except his wheel is on the correct side

[feral reef]

Basic AC knobs

Climate Control knobs

The upgraded system gets chrome

[stoic ledge]

Mazda just joinked those controls from the Mazda 2

I'd get the upgraded system just for the Chrome

[brittle totem]

With the traction control on compeltely or the you get in sport+ mode ?

[stoic ledge]

Poverty spec 1er is way better

(/sarcasm)

[feral reef]

That looks very bare, haha

[stoic ledge]

Oh that has heated seats, 1 optional extra

[feral reef]

It's like things are just missing

[stoic ledge]

Also thing the leather wrapped wheel is optional

Not even iDrive

No limiter, no CC

[feral reef]

ahhhh, yeah

[stoic ledge]

Nothing

[feral reef]

I was like "what is missing here"

everything

[stoic ledge]

Yeah standard one is horrendous

Glad the 116i has it too

Don't have that :(

But it's a 116i lol so paddles are overrated

Idk mostly drive it in Comfort

🥲

Just schedule an appointment for new tires every 2 months

[brittle totem]

Weird my brothers e90s all RWD hade a very good traction control in the fully on mode and in TC In sport mode it lett the car slide a bit then then take over. But barely no wheel spin in the fully on mode.

[feral reef]

ooooof

What tires did you go for?

[stoic ledge]

600 USD each

My entire set for 4 was €300 installed

[feral reef]

Wait what the actual fuck, why so expensive

[brittle totem]

How can that be the "same" car as the M140i they look like they are 15 years apart from each other.

[feral reef]

my set of 4 PS5s including mounting cost me like 700

[brittle totem]

Not possibal in Sweden to the "nordic" ones are actully pretty high specced as standard.

[stoic ledge]

Because it's a pReMiUm car and you can spec it exactly how you like

[feral reef]

Why didn't you go 4S?

But 4S is superior to the super sports isn't it?

[stoic ledge]

I love the fact that when I moved from the "Eco" tires the previous owner installed to just normal spec tires, the efficiency on paper improved

[feral reef]

there is no 5s

yet?

[brittle totem]

🥲

[stoic ledge]

Just regular 5 yes

[feral reef]

Okay looking at this online pretty much anywhere I looked it says the 4S is the replacement of the Super Sport and that the 4S is much better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65rXOlS2f8

[brittle totem]

At least we dont need to worry about getting the steering wheel stolen.

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/fT2KhJ8W-Kg

[feral reef]

I've been wondering about that

[civic spoke]

I'm pretty happy with my more normal Pilot Sport 5. At least for now.

[feral reef]

I'm very happy with mine too

It's a much more economical tire

And waaaaay more grip than my car needs

[civic spoke]

Pilot Sport 5 being less efficient than what I had before. Which were some Michelin Primacy.

[feral reef]

Oh yeah, but I was referring to them in comparison to other UHP tires

The PS4 weas already one of the longer lasting UHP tires

[civic spoke]

Oh, and the Primacy were on 16 inch rims. And not 17 inchers to boot.

[feral reef]

The PS5 apparently lasts 40% longer than the PS4

Yeah, it's a bit crazy

[civic spoke]

Just remember that you should still replace the tires after a couple of years. Even if the thread is good.

[feral reef]

To get rid of old stock?

[civic spoke]

Yeah, probably old new stock.

[feral reef]

Exactly why they probably wanted to get rid of it 😂

[civic spoke]

Isn't the Michelin Super Sport a minimum of 6 years old or something?

[feral reef]

Well it got replaced by the 4S in 2017, haha

[civic spoke]

They still produce them? Or are you talking about old stock?

[feral reef]

They might produce them in very low numbers?

Just to get more use out of the molds?

[civic spoke]

I would just want to go with a more modern design.

[feral reef]

Yeah, I don't think from a consumer perspective there is a reason to go with the old

Interesting

[civic spoke]

Huh. The more you know.

Basically a year old tire.

[feral reef]

Could they be OE tires for some ford model?

Actually that is a reason for them to produce them

[civic spoke]

I know it's an OE tire for some sports cars.

[feral reef]

I think it was on the AMG GT

Ahhhhh

[civic spoke]

Some Ferrari's used them.

[feral reef]

I actually can't get 4S in Europe in my size

But I can get the super sport

[civic spoke]

You could probably get away with 235/40ZR18

[feral reef]

Oh wait is that AUD?

ooooh lol

I wonder how the super sport compares to the 5

[civic spoke]

Wider tires mean more expensive tires :c

[feral reef]

Longer tread life = more burnouts

The wet grip of the 5 is amazing

[civic spoke]

I'm glad that I have a fairly moderate size of 225.

[feral reef]

I think it's actually better than the 4S

And leagues better than the super sport

[civic spoke]

I think the 4S is technically a higher performance tire compared to the PS5?

[feral reef]

Yes

[civic spoke]

The non-S are more for spirited driving.

[feral reef]

saying 5 with the plural "s" is so confusing

same with the 4s and 4Ss

Exactly

[civic spoke]

If I remember right, then I have the PS5 in 225/45ZR17.

Running a square setup is poggers.

[feral reef]

The 5 also has the best sidewall graphic of any tire 😂

it looks so good

[civic spoke]

I went from 205/55R16 👀

[feral reef]

Mine are 205/45 17

[brittle totem]

So I found this in the manual for the f45 I guess to activate launch control. You need to put it in sports mode turn of traction control completely. Choose sport mode on the gearbox then press the break all the way down and floor the accelerator paddle until a "race flag" appears on the dash and then let of the brake. Will try next them when I am on suitable place for it.

[feral reef]

hahahaha

no way

I actually want less grippy tires

[stoic ledge]

I suggest the cheapest Chinese tires you can find

0 grip

[civic spoke]

Sailun

[feral reef]

My mom has the weirdest tire combo ever on her car

It's a FWD Volvo

She's got shitty chinese tires on the front

And I think Primacy 4 on the rear?

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[civic spoke]

Probably because the front wore out first. And just replaced them with cheap tires?

[stoic ledge]

I have no idea what the shitiest tires are, put those are probably high on the list

[civic spoke]

Literally what I have on the truck.

Cuz cheap.

[feral reef]

"cheap" tires are usually not actually that cheap

[stoic ledge]

Imagine cheaping out on tires

Proper tires are often not much more expensive

[civic spoke]

Buy Once, Cry Once.

[feral reef]

And won’t kill you

And last longer

And be more comfortable

And use less fuel 😂

[civic spoke]

The thing about being more efficient and using less fuel is a big one for trucks.

[feral reef]

MAXTREK

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I know, I'd never cheap out on safety

[civic spoke]

Even if the tires only give you 3% better fuel economy. With trucks, that's big.

[feral reef]

And the primacy on the rear

[stoic ledge]

Damn they screwed up the install on those

Tires don't even have a DOT code

And 205/55R16 is like one of the most common sizes

So not expensive

[feral reef]

Yeah it’s dumb

[stoic ledge]

Also all-season in the front?

[civic spoke]

That's like saving 10 liters with each fuel up with a 300 liter tank. Which would be like €20 for each fuel up.

[feral reef]

I’ve told her, she doesn’t listen 😂

[stoic ledge]

ROI: very soon

[stoic ledge]

Luckily I do that stuff for my parents so this shit doesn't happen

[feral reef]

My dad has more sense, Primacy 4 on all corners

[civic spoke]

You could easily do two fuel tanks a week depending on the job. And if you work 48 weeks. Then that's a lot of saved money.

[brittle totem]

Only advantage with having the sport line steering wheal instead of the m-sport one not needing to wake up to this. https://www.tiktok.com/@pontus9922/video/7143950173553708294?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7132172227651388934

[brittle totem]

Yeah even the steering wheel heater is bad in the standard wheal it literally burns you hands after having it on for like 2 minutes.

[feral reef]

Is steering wheels being stolen a common occurrence? lol

[stoic ledge]

Not specifically steeringwheels, but basically all upgraded items which can be used to retrofit in poverty spec cars of chavs

[fathom socket]

accidentally put normal gas without any oil mixed into it into my old ass 2 stroke now its runnin funky 💀

Lmao

[brittle totem]

More common then you think specially on m sport BMW. But the IDrive gets stolen quite often to their where 2 BMW like in my area that got their steering wheel and iDrive stolen at the same time.

I have seen a lot of posts about people getting their steering wheels and iDrive stolen on different social medias here in Sweden.

And I read about it quite regular on different news sources to.

[night current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ95XJAwaoc&ab_channel=ShortCircuit

Oooof

[dusk ocean]

Couldn't stand the headunit in my E30 sticking out by like 1/8". You can see the radio itself, clipping into the sleeve, sticks out. So even when the sleeve is set back, the radio still sits out and you can see the sleeve.

Ended up grinding the rear of this opening to allow me to cut and TIG tack the side clips that hold the radio in, back. This let me move the radio back 3/16" in the sleeve.

Shot the bezel with some SEM flat trim paint to cut the gloss down on the plastic around the radio, and now its as the kids say, "hella flush" or at least as flush as it can be

[charred depot]

Camry VS MOT

[fathom socket]

COol

[plucky flame]

Yknow i dont think my state has an inspection

As far as i know we dont anyway

[brittle totem]

That sounds like a terrible idea. The annual inspection is a good way to keep the cars on the road worthy.

[plucky flame]

If you cant drive it it aint road worthy.

[viscid vault]

Got a new car last Tuesday. Not the prettiest, but most importantly has the interior, engine, and transmission that I wanted. That blue soap bar had issues from day one, but it introduced that particular interior and automatic gearboxes in general to me. My first attempt to replace it was an older V70, manual with beige interior. I ended up hating the interior and not enjoying manual that much anymore (seller claimed it has been programmed, supposed to have 235hp (~40ish more than designed)), it's really nice if you drive it angrily, but awful when you're just going for some milk after late shift. With effort I can drive it casually (read: smooth), but most of my life I'm tired and just want to get there.

These two cars have also taught me why all automatics are not equal. Tom Scott and Matt Grey had a discussion about automatic vs. manual, and Matt commented how unfamiliar automatic is less reliable than manuals. There's a big difference in how much the blue one revs doing anything compared to the new silver one (and they're supposed to have the same stuff). Of course driving the blue one for 1½ years taught me what to expect and how to drive it, but the second the silver one moved it blew my mind. It just went much like a manual ._.

[brittle totem]

Are they both from the same model year ?

[viscid vault]

One year apart, but the registered engine codes are the same. (The blue one has experienced all kinds of abuse, it just happened to be my first automatic experience, and managed to convince me despite of how horrible it is :D)

[fathom socket]

Voom voom

[viscid vault]

I have yet to dug any deeper (it has rained most of the week), but fair enough I already know they don't have [at least entirely] the same engine

[fathom socket]

:DD

[brittle totem]

Maybe the engine is the same but gearbox maybe has been changed between those two model years. Or maybe the silver has just been more looked after and it better shape then the blue one. I am from Sweden but I nearly know nearly no nothing about Volvos and I have never driven one either.

[viscid vault]

Silver has definitely been more looked after, the papers it came with include everything from troubleshooting emails. :D But now I must know what and why a non-Volvo Swede chooses (although I get it if your answer is that Volvo hasn't been Volvo after 1999)

(and oh, my 1999 V70 is an import from Sweden, so now I have a few low denomination Swedish coins, and a car I can't find matching paint for)

[eager raptor]

bro parked on the sidewalk

[viscid vault]

..well the sign tells you to slow the children that are playing there. That certainly slows them down

I'm just mad that they chose to ruin the grass closer to the house, rather than the smaller patch between the sidewalk and the road

(also that's one angry looking car. I think I have seen a video where a man version of that car got angry at a biker and got pinned down. Those eyes pop in the wrong way)

[brittle totem]

I am more into German brands mostly BMW probably because my brother has hade a few of them so I guess that why I like them. Right now I have a Golf GTI from 2006 but it needs a new spring witch hasn't arrived in months so I haven't been able to drive it since like the week after I got my license. So I have mostly been driving my parents cars during summer. And they have German brands to a Volkswagen and a BMW. And Volvos is just to boring for me like every family has one in Sweden and my dad used to have an Volvo v70 2014 as his company car but he didn't like that much so no more Volvo for him I guess and I was to young to drive at that time to.

[brittle totem]

Cant you just drive to the nearest Volvo dealership and order the paint from them ?

[viscid vault]

Boring, that's certainly fair and understandable. Albeit I have an urge to note how with any Volvo you'd already be cruising :D I grew up with Fords, but I guess the abundance of Volvos initially tipped the scale, and now practically all pre-2000 Fords are gone (horrible engines), so it certainly was the better choice

[viscid vault]

Probably, but I'm sure that'll cost a lot more than the mainstream Maston paints

[brittle totem]

Do you know the color code for your Volvo ?

[viscid vault]

Oh my, I got censored. I was saying how I too looked into BMWs, but got turned off by the fact how them being rwd means that you have to pay premium for ones that haven't been touched by teens with teenage car ideals, and expensive cheap cars are the worst kind

[viscid vault]

Yes (427-26), but it's not a pressing matter. One of reasons I bought that particular one was the near-rustless-state (but there's always something to paint). Of course if you know off your head a Swedish online store that sells car paints and can throw the link I'd appreciate that)

[feral reef]

Probably because of the containers on the other side?

[eager raptor]

containers?

[feral reef]

The big boxes filled with something

[eager raptor]

there are no containers

[viscid vault]

American cars are as wide as French cars are long :D

[eager raptor]

brick

[pale trail]

4runner gang

[viscid vault]

It's funny that someone called soap would point out brick Volvos :D I call my Ford-Volvos bars of soap because that's clearly how they were designed. They just rounded the existing design.

[brittle totem]

My brother hasn't hade that much of problems with his BMW that he has owned mostly in E90 generation witch is very generation for younger drives and yeah some smaller things has gone wrong with each of his e90 he has hade 3 of them but nothing that you cant fix yourself for a reasonable and he actually managed to sale each car for more then he bought them for. Here is the only 2 picture of them that I have still have saved on my phone. I don't have any pictures of his last e91 Wagon.

[brittle totem]

Found this website that seems to have it. Not sure what the shipping cost would be outside of Sweden. https://allanyanser.se/fargkoder/volvo/grey-pearl-metallic-427

[viscid vault]

There's still time to convert. If he has bought the same car thrice they can't be that good. I have only resold my very first Volvo (I don't have the evidence since I didn't have the knowledge then, but I'm certain it had 10 valve engine when it was supposed to have 20 valve one), so I now/still have four Volvos. Obviously having a Volvo is better >:u

Those are admittedly very sharp looking BMWs

[brittle totem]

https://www2.bilia.se/biltillbehor/bilvard/farg/volvo-original-sprayfärg--p-vo_31395224/

[viscid vault]

Just the fact that the can says Volvo is awesome :D Tack så mycket!

...doesn't look like they ship anywhere, all but local pickup are greyed out ._.

Eh, I have two weeks of vacation coming up, I might as well earmark this and see if they have a place close to where ferries land

[brittle totem]

He didn't sell them because they where bad he just found new on that he liked more. And he likes to try something "new" like each year he is not that guy that keeps on car for like a few years. And all of his e90s has been in different body styles to the first one was an sedan the second was an coupe and 3rd one was an wagon. And the biggest reason why he sold the e92 aka the coupe was because of the fuel consumption because he got a new job that required him to use the car to work and back from work so he switched to e91 aka the wagon witch was 325i with a lower consumption then his 330i that he hade before. And nowadays he drives an Abarth 595 competizione at least for now.

[brittle totem]

Yeah the e90s looked so good for their time and still look good now even compared to modern cars.

[viscid vault]

I have quicker bike ride to work than with a car, and I'm definitely very grateful for that :D When gas neared 3€/L I genuinely had the choice to just not drive. And now that it's getting cold and gas is still somewhat expensive (~2.2€/L-ish) it's at least tolerable.

I don't want to start a fight, but obviously Volvo has always had the best look in any given generation, 40-series excluded.

[brittle totem]

The prices in Sweden has dropped a fair bit compared to just a month ago. 18,50kr/l for e95 last week just like 2 month ago it was around 23-24kr/l for normal petrol. and diesel peaked at a bit over 28kr/l in march.

[viscid vault]

.....I have to recheck the conversion rate, I feel fooled right now ._.

[brittle totem]

This was with a my moms car and a full tank is 51l in that car so pretty it was pretty dam close until empty.

[viscid vault]

18,5kr is 1,77€, that's less than 0,15€ more than gas here used to be before any drama ._.

[dusk ocean]

I feel like e90 is dated

They look very 2007 to me

[brittle totem]

Yeah gas prices has dropped a fair bit in last weeks it used over 20kr/l for a quite a while.

[brittle totem]

Yeah but compare it to other cars from same year.

[dusk ocean]

I feel like the e60 looks and feels more modern than e90

Then again I've been buried in e30 and e34 all week

[viscid vault]

95 was 22,7kr last Wednesday (at the most consistently cheapest station I know) .-. The worst it got was around 31,4kr (I drastically cut my driving when it reached 27kr (2,5€)

Your discussion about BMW's is out of my league, but as my parting words I'll note that I like all BMWs where the nostrils are wider than they are tall .__.