cars

[stoic ledge]

Exams are done in the instructor car here

[charred depot]

Like you could do a test with zero lessons in your own car if you felt bold : )

[stoic ledge]

Own car is not allowed, needs dual controls

[civic spoke]

Can be done in an instructor vehicle. It just needs double commando.

[charred depot]

I dont think it needs dual controls here

[stoic ledge]

It's required here

[charred depot]

just have faith : )

[stoic ledge]

Lol with new drivers? Nah

I even question experienced drivers

[brittle totem]

That sounds pretty stupid to not have.

[charred depot]

Nice as it means you can avoid the expensive instructors and engage in the horrors of being taught by a parent

frantically fumbles for grab handle

[brittle totem]

Aren't you required to take the drivers test with a car from trafikverket and one of their "instructor"

[civic spoke]

One of their instructors, yes. One of their vehicles, no.
It can be a vehicle from a driving school as well.

[round turtle]

Same here, people can't even estimate the correct speeds if you don't drive a BMW, Mercedes or other business lease car

so many times I had to break hard when driving 130km/h in my C1

[civic spoke]

It really just has to be a car that has double commando. So that the instructor can stop you if they have to.

[charred depot]

I dont have a speedo most of the time, I do get paranoid when theres a speed camera.

[stoic ledge]

I don't like the citybug in general (no offense) but especially the gearbox is just like stirring a soup

[charred depot]

if im going through the M90 speed camera hell I put a GPS speedo on my phone

[stoic ledge]

Throw it in the direction of the gear, and hope it takes the correct one

I think I speeded in my grandpa 's car yesterday

Oh well

Ticket is for him

[civic spoke]

"Grandpa won't complain in his grave"

[charred depot]

I just keep foot to the floor in the 305 on B roads

[stoic ledge]

Speeding past a camera*

[charred depot]

I wonder if I could get rid of a speeding fine by transferring the v5 to some John Doe in England then cutting up the car into little pieces and putting it in the bin

back date it a day before the fine send it off, oh I sold it to him.

would do it with the saab, not the 305 though.

[brittle totem]

Is it just in Sweden we have to go on skid tracks to "learn" how to control a car if you lose control over it ?

[civic spoke]

Not only that. First part is all of the theory. How drinking could affect you and your driving. What to do in the event of an accident, etc.
Second part is the driving on a skid pad.

[charred depot]

I know my friend in Finland had that

but bah sweden finland same thing

[round turtle]

Pretty much only Scandinavia. However better public transport would mean that this would be great to have on the regular exam

Even if it's hard to find a ditch where you ahve to wait more than 30 minutes for emergency repsonders

[brittle totem]

Yeah that first part was awful just sitting their and listing to why you shouldn't drink and drive for 3 hours straight but the 2nd part was really fun.

[charred depot]

They do something like that here in highschool by running a party then crashing the mood by bringing in some mangled cars and people who have killed their friends and parents of dead kids from car crashes.

[round turtle]

In the Netherlands, it's split in theory and practice. You need to achieve theory before practice. Theory is mostly 4-choise exam in what you have to do in described situation.
Bragging time, I am one of the few who graduated from theory in the first try

[charred depot]

theory here is the same 4 choice shite

[brittle totem]

And you also got to know how it feels to be upside down in car. And feel an impact from 7km/h.

[charred depot]

Someone is going slow do you
A ram them
B hold the horn
C overtake on a blind corner
D wait patiently and overtake them at a safe opportunity

tough one

and then the hazard perception test which I almost failed because I was identifying every pedestrian as a hazard.

am I wrong though

[brittle totem]

Some bragging for me to I nailed the driving test on my first try on the hardest "driving test" location according to how many % that passes at first try. But the theory test is not that hard at all here in Sweden if its most common sense so you don't need to study that much to pass it at first try.

[magic crow]

a, no question

they need to get with the program

[odd steppe]

Twingo or get out

[dusk ocean]

wiring ahead unit with motorsport raychem miniseals

[eager raptor]

m

atrocious wrap

[magic crow]

what in the trust fund baby...

[fathom socket]

Is there like a free german site where I can check the VIN for free?

[brittle totem]

This is probely the worst panel gap i have seen on a tesla. And why did the owner accept delivery check list that Tesla has with such a big panel gap.

[stoic ledge]

"Trust me it's fixed now" ~ current Tesla fanboys

[bitter compass]

This is genuinely stupid, like the usual panel gaps whatever but that looks like it got hit in the rear

Maybe it's no bolted/clipped in place

[charred depot]

its fairly common but often caused by people forcing powered boots shut

can be fixed by loosening bolts and realigning

[drowsy onyx]

Question for buying a car

Well, an electric one

What job should I have to afford one at my age?

[brittle totem]

I haven't seen a tesla with a panel gap in a long while but this was just completly un acceptable. But maybe its not from factory and their is antoher reason why it is loose. This was early 2021 so I think it was build at Fremont and not China or Berlin

[magic crow]

tesla has shit quality control, regardless of the price of it

[drowsy onyx]

For the truck I want

[vocal mural]

🤔

[stoic ledge]

One that makes sure you have 3 times the value of the car in the bank

[fallow plover]

you are not, at least not here 😄

[charred depot]

minor play

305 ready for a trackday

Ill be the fastest as everyone else will slide off on the oil

got bushings for £60, I was tempted to mould some polybushes again

[brittle totem]

Not really the interior qualty in the model 3 and y is actully very good maybe not on on the same qualty level as bmw,Audi or mercedes but its not bad at all atleast in the model 3 and y I have been in.

[tight cypress]

any 2 stroke people here?

[fathom socket]

Audi ad form a Newspaper I found 1986

[fathom socket]

I need more space

[solemn heath]

The first few rounds of me trying to get diagnosis and such from my car failed. It turns out the cable was labeled incorrectly for what I expected it to be. It turns out Amazon's recommended ODB to DB9 for the USB gadget is wired incorrectly for use of the USB gadget. I now understand what I need electrically wired. Hopefully my next try will result in data being sent to my laptop.

[fathom socket]

I've hears someone reccomend blue driver OBD scan tools that you can use on your phone/tabled via bluetooth

[odd steppe]

Because it's within spec

[hoary pine]

Just saw this picture and they say it is just 20k miles.

[solemn heath]

I already have part of the solution. Part of it will be learning how the can spec works and what the different values mean.

[timber oar]

As it should be

[knotty cedar]

A bit over halfway back to arizona with our loot

[bitter compass]

Sandpaperhands maybe

[errant shore]

Put a merlin in it

[umbral tusk]

ls swap

[hoary pine]

That is not the sole case, given the yoke are pretty new I guess there will be more and more showing this in few years.

[brittle totem]

Yeah the yoke is probely the worst thing tesla has made i hope that you can choose a normal steering wheel when it comes to EU in december.

[hoary pine]

or choose a non-tesla

[brittle totem]

Yeah but tesla here in Sweden is very helpful when it comes to panel gaps and they will fix it directly if you ask them to but this owner doesn't seem to cara about it all. It was registered as an company car so that's probely why he didn't care becuse its just on company lease anyway.

[bitter compass]

There are quite a couple things that are stupid..
-Having EVERYTHING in a display, getting rid of the dash and putting it in the center screen
-The god musk himself "reeingneering" public transport in awful
-The ceo being musk
-Model 3 pricing still not where it was supposed to be

And the design philosophy of its gonna be selfdriving in the future

[civic spoke]

One problem I have with Tesla is that if you are buying a used one. Then you are never quite sure what you are getting.

What changes they have done with each model year.

[bitter compass]

+3 new fart sounds

[brittle totem]

Yeah that's because tesla is constantly improving their cars with new hardware and stuff like that instead of waiting a few years for a facelift or an new generation. That's a thing that i really like with Teslas that they are always improving the cars with a legacy manufacture you can buy a car with 3 years newer model year but still has the same future as the car from 3 years ago. So basically its already "outdated" when you get it.

[civic spoke]

That's still an issue in my eyes.
But one time the car could come with a radar in the front. A year later, then it could be either gone or disabled.

[brittle totem]

The thing with is display is personal preference don't really mind it when I test drove a tesla. I took me like 15min then i was used to it. And most of settings you only change ones and then save it to your driver profil and never bother with it again.

[solemn inlet]

Fit and finish with tesla is questionable

[civic spoke]

Not to mention that the whole "Auto pilot" option is a disaster. Because it's always changing, for better or worse.

[solemn inlet]

Just waiting for the auto pilot to be exploited and controlled lmao

[brittle totem]

It depends on where you are located to the north America ones har usually worse then the EU or china ones. The ones I have been in have mostly very solid just on of my friends dad hade on of the first model 3 in EU witch was build at fremont and that was a bit questionable. But the 2021 and up is mostly good quality wise. But the germens is still a bit ahead.

[civic spoke]

Would you pay 77,000 kr extra for an option that might be coming?

[solemn inlet]

Problem is I see is that if we're moving to EV. That's a lot of old fuel powered cars to scrap and prosses. Plus batteries are a problem to, but that's been said tons of times. These things don't get looked at by a lot of these people wanting EV

[brittle totem]

Nope not until its confirmed to be legal in EU. But the basic autopilot does everything that I would need in terms of driving assistance so i would just stick with that like most Tesla owners.

[solemn inlet]

EV will only work in the cities. For now.

[brittle totem]

They are not going to scarp old fossil powered car just no going to sale them new to the mess marked the already made one will still be fine.

[solemn inlet]

So if they ban fuel. We have billions of tons of cars that are useless

[civic spoke]

What they are going to do, is limit the amount of sales of pure ICE vehicles.

And then add zones where only Euro 5/6 cars are allowed to drive.

[solemn inlet]

nah, hybrid and synthetic fuels are the way

[civic spoke]

I mean, yeah.

[solemn inlet]

power grids are way under powered for it

[civic spoke]

I'm sure they are going to start zoning for cities. As they have already begun to do.

[brittle totem]

Cites is probably the worst thing for evs mainly because most people that lives apartment cant instill an AC charger to charge it over night. Witch people that lives outside the city with houses can do.

[solemn inlet]

Well outside of the city is gonna be pretty useless. Don't have much range once you pack on the weight on them

[civic spoke]

We just need more charging locations as a whole.

Once you're able to charge your vehicle at pretty much every stop that you make, then you're more than gucci.

Stopping at a shopping mall? Charge while you're there.
Getting some groceries? Charge 'er up.

[solemn inlet]

That'll be so annoying with trucks. 5 stops to go like 1,500km 😩

Idk, just have to see where the future goes. but my money is hybrid and synthetic fuels.

[civic spoke]

Uhh. A normal truck would still have to make a few stops for rests and similar.
Not to mention that EV isn't for long-hauling with trucks. But for shorter city deliveries.

[solemn inlet]

That's why I was saying EV is great for cities

[civic spoke]

Deliveries in a city. Then you would barely need 150 km's of range.

[solemn inlet]

Who knows, maybe even have powerlines built into the roads and streets so everything charges all the time. Of course you'll pay a fee lol

[civic spoke]

https://youtu.be/_3P_S7pL7Yg

[solemn inlet]

For now we'll have to see where we go for generating our power

Can't do anything till that's sorted

[civic spoke]

Yeah. EV's are only as green as where you get it from.

[brittle totem]

Range is not that big of deal that people think charging speed is way more important most people doesn't drive more then 400km with out taking a bit of an rest anyways. And if the car car change up to 80% in 10 mins would be fine for me. And we are nearly there with the cars that has support for 250-300kw/h charging we just need more chargers capable of that speeds.

[stoic ledge]

Refining gas also requires loads of electricity btw 😉

[civic spoke]

But even then. Then it can be more efficient to burn fuel to get power and power a larger community.

Than just individually power their own homes.

[solemn inlet]

Burning waste or finding a way to dissolve it with minimal emissions is also something to look at

I know NY does it

[civic spoke]

"But I need to be able to go 600 km's"
That's what they say. When their daily trip is 15 km's to and from work.

[solemn inlet]

yes but that fuel has loads more energy in it

[brittle totem]

Just charge it for 15mins at a fast charger then.

[civic spoke]

"butbutbut"

[solemn inlet]

Just connect it to the 15,000 volt wires

Jeez

[civic spoke]

I got something you can hook up to.

[brittle totem]

Yeah and the amount of electricity that is needed to pump oil for an fossil powered car to. Witch nearly no one thinks about.

[civic spoke]

Cut those wires. And you'll get a charge REAL quick.

[solemn inlet]

ahem

[charred depot]

electric usage for ice cars is still drastically less but ok

[civic spoke]

PHEV is a real good way to compromise.

[solemn inlet]

screw it

[stoic ledge]

It takes ~5-6kWh of electricity to create 1 US gal of gas... Take 6kWh, take a car which does 18kWh/100km, that 6kWh gets you 33km = ~20 miles, so the break even point is ~20 MPG US. So an EV or a car doing 20 MPG US is using the same amount of electricity

[solemn inlet]

back to steam powered we go! 🤣

[civic spoke]

PHEV might only be giving you a range of 50-100 km's. But you're supposed to hook that up at home/work whenever possible.

[stoic ledge]

That's just refining the oil to petrol, not considering the pumps, transportation etc

[charred depot]

I dunno here atleast id guess the average MPG is atleast double that

[solemn inlet]

diesel would be more efficient. Though you got shit with DPFs.

[charred depot]

I dont have gripes with EV's I have gripes with modern cars

[solemn inlet]

On how unreliable and un-stylish they are?

[stoic ledge]

40 MPG US = 48 MPG UK, don't think that's the average car 😛

[charred depot]

50mpg isnt that high

[stoic ledge]

Also that's just some napkin maths, but it's not that bad

Also, the EV doesn't rely on crude oil then

[solemn inlet]

Hey where's our flying cars at? We've been robbed for the last 2 years

[brittle totem]

Yeah but only 30% of energy in "gas" goes to the wheels in you average car to an can get as much of 90-95% of the energy to the wheels.

[stoic ledge]

An average petrol Golf/Focus/Astra... Doesn't do 50MPG UK lol

[charred depot]

we were talking the electricity usage for fuel tis efficiency is irrelevant

50 MPG uk

[stoic ledge]

Typo

Imagine both using an inferior metric and both using it differently

[charred depot]

Get that it in a 2010 car and id say the average age of cars around here is newer than that

[stoic ledge]

The efficiency isn't really important now as I compared a real kWh vs a real gallon of fuel

[charred depot]

I get 38mpg in the saab when not driving like a knob

[stoic ledge]

Maybe you get there with a Fiesta or a Polo

Any larger you need a diesel

Not with petrol

[charred depot]

with diesel what id expect today is 70mpg

[stoic ledge]

Our Meriva (petrol, 1.4 Turbo) does on average 41MPG UK and we're performing above average on Spritmonitor.de, literally top 10%

[charred depot]

lets say 2016 and up sort of then

[stoic ledge]

Yeah with the shittest Polo 3-cyl Bluemotion if you try

Or only do highway miles

And then max drive 60mph

[solemn inlet]

no

not mine

[charred depot]

isnt yours fuckn old aswell though

[solemn inlet]

that mf turns it into soot

[charred depot]

golf 1.5 tsi apparently has a real mpg average of 49.5

[solemn inlet]

uh 09

so yeah

Euro 4 spec

[charred depot]

oh ive got euro no

[solemn inlet]

euro nothin

[stoic ledge]

The average 2016+ Polo diesel on Spritmonitor does 20km/l = 56MPG UK

[solemn inlet]

diesel > SOOT

[charred depot]

they need to stop driving in cities 😤

[solemn inlet]

you don't have to worry about oily black tar in your intake you lucky person

[charred depot]

I did have to worry about oil in my intake

[solemn inlet]

but you don't get soot mixed with the oil

EGR my friend

[stoic ledge]

Well yeah sure in a perfect world where people only do long distance driving, the real world usage would be better. But that's often not the case

[charred depot]

I sorta had EGR through the breather the rings were that worn

[solemn inlet]

LMao

How much blow-by you say? So much that it makes the pistons push down faster

[charred depot]

enough to pump oil up the breather

[brittle totem]

I have gotten 3,9l/100km in my dads Passat like 60mpg. But it most cases it will get like 4,8l/100km witch is around 49mph. I don't know how accurate this number really is but that is what car reports.

[solemn inlet]

Hey you don't have to oil your intake valves!

[charred depot]

My friend put this on facebook and people were like ITS A FOOKN OIL BATH FILTER ITS NORMAL m8

r u dumb do u not know what an oil bath filter is

aye its an oil bath filter not a oil drown filter

[solemn inlet]

psssh nah dirty flitter catches more dirt

[charred depot]

it ran away on a "motorway" smoking it out for like 500 yards

[solemn inlet]

don't have to worry about air leaks if it don't have air

same applies for oil

[charred depot]

I got PTSD when I fitted the new engine which had a dodgy pump with a stuck governor and stuck full throttle.

also a broken stop solenoid

[solemn inlet]

that's scary

diesel runaways are no fun either

all the rpms

[civic spoke]

There are only two options. Cut fuel, or the air.

[solemn inlet]

yeah and they suck hard

[charred depot]

thankfully my engines have like 50hp so easy to stall out

didnt have driftshafts on that clip though :^|

[solemn inlet]

just being near one is scary to think a piston could meet you face to face any second

Most modern diesels have shut off valves in the intake now tho

[solemn inlet]

You're actually wrong about fuel. Air is the only way to stop them

[charred depot]

drain engine oil "fuel" :^)

[solemn inlet]

What if u have a 1KD

[charred depot]

whats the issue with that

[solemn inlet]

Oh yeah, no oil no run

gotcha

[charred depot]

mine went through such a quantity of oil it filled the exhaust with it and was dripping out the join for ages

[civic spoke]

What I mean with cut the fuel. Is to actually disconnect the fuel line. Or block it in some way.
The will still try to suck up more fuel as it's running away, even if the fuel pump is broken.

[solemn inlet]

no

runaway burn oil

[civic spoke]

Oh, yeah. That's true.

They will just suck up the oil through the piston rings.

[solemn inlet]

If your turbo or valve/rings get bad enough

[charred depot]

mine pressurised the crankcase and sent oil up the breather filling the airbox

[solemn inlet]

I don't have that. My vent is just before the turbo.

[charred depot]

It had such awful compression before it took like a 2 minutes to start

[solemn inlet]

Every after that including the intercooler is soaked in oil

[charred depot]

Mine is quite bad for filling the airbox even in relatively good condition, but this was ultimate speed filling

[solemn inlet]

Which is annoying. Likes to cause heat soak

[charred depot]

Im tempted to go to a turbo diesel engine in this

[solemn inlet]

Just turbo it

[charred depot]

too much of a faff

when you can just kill off a car

[solemn inlet]

Theres room in there for a turbo

with a grinder and welder anything is possible

[charred depot]

thats the turbo engine with tmic, the pump on my engine has no way to mess with fuelling based on boost

would just be royally smokey

[solemn inlet]

So

You have a cable going into the cab labeled "Turbo wastegate pressure"

Pull that when you think the engine is about to throw a piston or two

no need for the ECU to tell it lol

[charred depot]

Right now ive gone from a 1.8 to 1.9 N/A diesel. thats a 1.9 turbo but why would I want that when theres a 2.1 turbo diesel

hard to get your hands on but dreamy

[solemn inlet]

Bore it to 2.1

Send it

[charred depot]

they are all basically the same engine

so probably possible

speed of it doesent really bother me enough to mess with it anymore

it can achieve an 80mph

[solemn inlet]

Pretty good

Works van barely hits 115kmh

[charred depot]

Plus the simplicity wont have runaways with a N/A diesel that never happens!

[solemn inlet]

Toyota hiace 3 ltr

N/A

[charred depot]

tank

[solemn inlet]

Going down hill it's good for 120 if you're lucky

[charred depot]

my friend has a van with the same engine as my 305 its hilariously awful

[solemn inlet]

Haha

[charred depot]

drive that and anything else is a ferrari

[solemn inlet]

81mph

[charred depot]

we both seem to have around about the same top speed, gearing letting me down

revving like a petrol at 80

[fathom socket]

Hawt 🥵🥵

[stoic ledge]

Dacia carpet is so shite, the Dyson degrades it

[feral reef]

I should get a new set of floor mats

I think there is a hole in one of them

Okay not quite a hole yet, but those parts aren’t lasting much longer 😂

[civic spoke]

Bottom hinged acceleration pedal is 👌

[feral reef]

Hell yeah, I hate driving cars where they are top hinged

[timber oar]

Yeah my cars are old enough to have throttle cables so they are top hinged

It was super weird when i saw a bottom hinged electronic one in a friend's brand new car

Ergonomically the bottom hinged ones make more sense as that's how your foot moves

[feral reef]

Yeah, especially on long drives bottom hinged is much more comfortable.

Although 98% of the time I'm using cruise control anyway

[timber oar]

Lol what's cruise control

😂

[civic spoke]

As a truck driver. A brick.

[timber oar]

I bet my foot is still heavier 😂

[civic spoke]

Limited to 90 kmh either way.

[vocal mural]

No police = No limiter,
Police = Limiter

[fathom socket]

what about tachograph?

[brittle totem]

Or speed cameras that measures your average speed.

[fathom socket]

you can have a speed cam alert app or something

but tachograph is an issue

you tamper with it, you get in trouble

[feral reef]

Only if someone finds out

[fathom socket]

you know on newer ones they can download your data wirelessly

[civic spoke]

Yessir.

[fathom socket]

don't even need to be pulled over

some time ago they caught someone driving on a break

[civic spoke]

Having it be wireless is honestly nice. Since someone doesn't have to copy the truck's tacho every so often.

It just uploads itself.

[fathom socket]

my worst fear was I would get randomly pulled over in UK

[feral reef]

I've never actually been pulled over

[fathom socket]

I've been pulled over 3 times in my car

IDK the exact reason why they did pull me over when I didn't do anything wrong

[feral reef]

I kind of want to be pulled over just so I know what it's like, haha

I've never gotten a ticket either, no idea how I've managed that

[fathom socket]

first time I was shaking so much

I'm poor, so I was scared of a fine

they just wanted my ID

[civic spoke]

I can't remember how many times I have been pulled over with my car. I guess fewer than 5?

[fathom socket]

and other 2 times I got pulled over, they just looked at my car and then let me go

maybe checking insurance?

[feral reef]

Where are you from?

[civic spoke]

They just check insurance via the license plate these days.

[fathom socket]

this happened in Poland

[feral reef]

I don't even really see police anyway, maybe if I lived closer to a big city it would be different

[fathom socket]

my neighbour that I used to live next to has no insurance for the past 3 years

[civic spoke]

I remember the first time I got pulled over, it was in the parking lot where I was cleaning. And they had pulled someone else over for something, and they were just in the way.

[fathom socket]

you can check someones insurance your self

[civic spoke]

So they just checked my license, and gave me a quick breathalyzer test while they were blocking the way.

[vocal mural]

Can be a @vocal mural-Boras hit, Mobiel Informatie Gestuurd Optreden - Better Optional Result and Advanced Security (And now you know where I got my discord name from)

[fathom socket]

I remember when I had to do the breathalyzer test I was so scared and they told me to blow harder

[vocal mural]

Also known as ANPR cameras

[fathom socket]

I've been rear ended in driving school

[charred depot]

I passed a traffic cop in the 305 while it was showing as untaxed, uninsured and no MOT

[civic spoke]

"Beeeeeeeeeee-click"
Them - "Alright negative."
Me - "That's positive!"

[charred depot]

It was insured but I had just put it on

rarely see them and I was like ofcourse fucking today

[civic spoke]

I haven't actually been stopped with the truck yet.

[charred depot]

driving without MOT was all I was doing wrong but I have the unit as a "place of repairs"

[fathom socket]

it's very likely you get fined if you don't have insurance automatically

[civic spoke]

Not only that.

[charred depot]

ah yeah here if the cars taxed and theres no insurance you can be fined even if its not on the road

[civic spoke]

Government steps in with insurance over here. Since it's required.

[vocal mural]

I haven’t seen any @vocal mural/ANPR cameras in Sweden except the toll bridge and congestion charge areas

[fathom socket]

the funny thing

I haven't taxed my car

but IIRC i'm in some exception group

[civic spoke]

There are a couple of places that has them. But sort of far and few of them.

[vocal mural]

I will look up in NVDB. If I can find one

[civic spoke]

"Weighing"

[charred depot]

most of the cameras round here are portable

theres so many statics at the scottish borders like bruh

[vocal mural]

Where is that? I know Tullverket have cameras have on Öresund bridge. (Stolen from Dutch @vocal mural-Boras idea.)

[civic spoke]

North of Södertälje. Botkyrka.

[vocal mural]

Here is a map of Weigh in Motion stations in the Netherlands: https://www.ilent.nl/binaries/ilt/documenten/publicaties/2013/11/08/overzicht-weegpunten-in-nederland/WIMoverzicht01_tcm334-347083-1.pdf

[brittle totem]

on E20 between Alby and hallunda

[civic spoke]

I think it's just strips in the ground that weighs your axles.

[vocal mural]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weigh_in_motion?wprov=sfti1

It is called weight in motion

[civic spoke]

Yeah.

You just barely see them on there.

And the fact that they have them offset there as well, means that they can more accurately measure the right and left sides.

[tepid wing]

Is there a legal reason why gas prices are still fractions of a cent?

[feral reef]

Pretty typical for any system to calculate anything to one tenth of a cent

Otherwise you get weird rounding for certain things

Makes quite a difference when dealing with large volumes of stuff

[wraith rivet]

I just checked my cabin air filter and holy crap that thing was disgusting

I smacked it a couple times in the parking lot just for now, I’ll have to replace it sometime

there was hair and leaves and tons of dirt and grime in it

[stoic ledge]

Should replace it every year

[charred depot]

never replaced one, I don keh. I imagine the 305 one is tasty if it even has one.

[feral reef]

Does the same thing apply to cabin air filters as it does on air intake filters where more dirt on the filter actually improves filtration?

[wraith rivet]

it's been 7

[wraith rivet]

i wouldn't think so

because all the dirt on it is blocking airflow through the cabin

[dusk ocean]

I hate old BMW audio wiring

[solemn heath]

Does anyone know about car ODB hacking? I monitored a car bus and was trying to detect the RPM. I think if I go interactive it would be easy to get the data, but what kind of fun would that be?

[odd steppe]

Got so many minis in my neighborhood

[knotty cedar]

who here taken an f150 hood to the windshield at 75mph lol

was damn sure that shit was latched but driving at 3am in the Arizona mountains shit went from "Latched?" to past the friggin wiper blades and i locked the breaks it caught me off guard so much

thankfully nobody around, trailer remained stable but never had that happen to me.
its a older one than i've ever owned before, and new to me but i was 80 miles from home and with no roadside on the car trailer i had to keep going just prying with my jack handle and ratchet strapping + latching the destroyed hood back down

nearly unbolted it and just left it right there

[stable grotto]

look at the small parking arrangements that mid sized suv taking up a spot 2 mini’s could fit!

[odd steppe]

uh the black mini in the back is taking up the pad as well. It's just a small slab for the two-spot garages and people tend to parallel park in them up until they... Just crash in the door.

[bitter compass]

Mini is still misleading marketing

They're not mini

[bitter compass]

Amd holy those parking space size on the right

They're massive

[stoic ledge]

Don't like the wheels on that electric Mini 👀

[feral reef]

Haha yeah, they're pretty huge nowadays

[fathom socket]

I don’t like the electric mini 💀

[stoic ledge]

Apparently it's quite fun

Short battery range tho

And, I don't fit in Mini's

[feral reef]

You don't? they look like you could fit a giant in nowadays

[fathom socket]

Honestly tho how do car manufacturers fuck up so bad with the wheels on electric cars

[feral reef]

Typically they're extremely low drag

Compared to more conventional wheels

I would assume the mini wheels are similar

[fathom socket]

Well yeah but breaks need to be ventilated so a more open wheel makes more sense

[feral reef]

Okay but electric cars generally don't use their brakes nearly as much?

[fathom socket]

Huh? Why wouldn’t they?

[stoic ledge]

Last time I sat in one I could barely see out of it as my head was up too high

[feral reef]

Regenerative braking

Most electric cars go into a pretty hard regen mode when you let of the accelerator

[fathom socket]

Well yeah but if I’m going 120mph and I need to hard break and they melt that sucks pretty bad

[feral reef]

They're not going to melt from braking once even really hard once, lol

And usually the brakes on electric cars are bigger too, to cope with the weight

[stoic ledge]

Don't think the Mini does 120mph

[fathom socket]

yeah…

[feral reef]

That too

93mph

[fathom socket]

Man i hope there won’t be a speed limit coming for the autobahn here

[feral reef]

That's the top speed apparently

The autobahn makes me wish I had a faster car 😂

[stoic ledge]

The autobahn, where you can casually cruise at 170kmh and there's still a Fiat 500 tailgating you

[fathom socket]

I love the fact that the speed our German government recommends for normal driving on the autobahn is the highest speed you can legally go in the US lmao

[feral reef]

Which is?

[fathom socket]

In Texas Theres a highway with a 85mph speedlimit which is about 130kph the German government calls it „richtgeschwindigkeit“ so that’s what you should drive not to block others on the autobahn

[feral reef]

Okay, so about the same as the speed limit in surrounding countries

Makes sense

[stoic ledge]

I hate the unlimited-120-100-120-100-80-120-unlimited changes on German highways basically every kilometer

Oh there's a bridge coming up? Better slow down to 100

Passing underneath another bridge that is*

[feral reef]

haha, a couple weeks ago I took a detour through Germany and was doing like 200, suddenly a 100 sign shows up 👀

[fathom socket]

Well it’s not a speed limit, it’s a recommendation because you have a chance your insurance won’t pay if you had a crash above it. But to be fair if you have a crash at 200kph your prob dead

[feral reef]

and then a bit later I got a speed camera warning

[feral reef]

Yeah I said, about the speed limit of surrounding countries

[stoic ledge]

Even though it's unrestricted you still have to adjust to the circumstances

[fathom socket]

In Norway it’s 80kph 💀

[feral reef]

what

[stoic ledge]

And that's where manu people go wrong

[feral reef]

only 80?

[stoic ledge]

NL is 100 between 6AM-7PM 🤮

[fathom socket]

Yeah in Nordic countries it’s super low

[feral reef]

On the invoegstrook it's not

Besides, it's not really enforced

Still annoying though

[fathom socket]

https://youtu.be/7pg1hhW5qhM still an absolute legend lol

[stoic ledge]

Yeah uhm only get 83hp so can't really blast on the invoegstrook 😛

[fathom socket]

Bughattis tyres actually explode at 400-500kph when run longer then 10minute I think. Not a problem tho since the fuel tank will be empty after a few minutes lol

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's a know fact since the first Veyron 😛

[brittle totem]

Most evs just use the regenerative on evs so cooling for the brakes or not as important as on a ice car.

[feral reef]

haha, just take out a couple of seats, make the car lighter 😂

[fathom socket]

Remove airbags for weight reeducation

[fathom socket]

God I see so many people on Instagram and such running quick release steering wheels on their daily driver that used to have airbags, just because it looks cooler

[stoic ledge]

All aftermarket steering wheels look worse than the OEM one

[brittle totem]

Yeah but that is mountains road to like this ones to. And on highways its around 110km/h.

[stoic ledge]

Ok except maybe some early 1990 airbag design

[feral reef]

well that depends, there are some horrible OEM ones 😂

[stoic ledge]

Sure but aftermarket usually doesn't make it better 😛

[feral reef]

haha yeah, I'd be hard pressed to find an aftermarket steering wheel that looks better than OE

[fathom socket]

No I think the quick release ones look really good, the only ones I actually like are bmw‘s newer ones

This is the best oem steering wheel ever made change my mind

[feral reef]

I'd lose cruise control if I got a quick release 😂

[stoic ledge]

I disagree but whatever floats your boat 😛

CC is on the indicator stalk for me 😎

But I'd loose audio controls

[feral reef]

Yeah audio controls too

And some gauge info controls

[fathom socket]

A better looking wheel is just not worth not having an airbag and a way higher chance of dying in a crash

[feral reef]

I do bump into my wheel at times when getting in, a quick release would fix that

[fathom socket]

Yeah that’s their purpose since it’s really hard to get in and out of a car with a big roll cage and racing bucket seat

[stoic ledge]

I'm 6ft4/194cm but never touch my steeringwheel getting in our out

[fathom socket]

What do you drive?

[stoic ledge]

Fine for a race track, useless for a daily

[feral reef]

haha I'm 172cm and do, but my car is also tiny 😂

[stoic ledge]

Thicc 2012 Opel Corsa D 1.2 16v Bi-Fuel Color Edition 3 door

[fathom socket]

Corsa 💀

[feral reef]

That means race right? 😂

[fathom socket]

Good enough as a grocery getter tho

I can’t really judge tho I don’t even have a car

I got a 2007 Vespa tho

[feral reef]

I want a Vespa 😂

[stoic ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375461451403624471/975889009165352990/IMG_20210409_120700.jpg

Have it for 6 years now

Not the fastest car but otherwise it's quite pleasant

It's one of the few smaller cars I can properly fit in

It's actually well built

And it's reliable

So overall I'm pleased

[feral reef]

My car, absolutely love it

[stoic ledge]

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-up-headlights-miata-blinking-wink-wonk-gif-14976940

The nd mx5 is awesome

[stoic ledge]

Haven't tried an ND but I can't fit in an NA

[feral reef]

You probably won't fit in an ND

[stoic ledge]

And an NC already looks tiny besides my Corsa, and the ND is smaller

Yeah don't think I'll fit

[fathom socket]

The only miat I don’t like is the nc that ugly ass thing can go straight to hell

[feral reef]

I've not been in an NC but it actually looks a bit roomier and larger

[feral reef]

That's what I used to think

But the NC can look really really nice

Interior looks like shit though

[stoic ledge]

NC is the largest MX-5

[fathom socket]

The NA is cool for the pop ups and the NB you can turn into a fun race-ish car the nc just heavy and ugly imo

[fathom socket]

Yeah the na and nb interiors are also horrible

[stoic ledge]

So the perfect car for you

[feral reef]

NB is heavier according to these cards

[fathom socket]

I would love to have a na miat as my first car but with the jdm hype boom a miat with under 150.000km cost way over 5-6k

[feral reef]

No idea how accurate these cards are though

[fathom socket]

Well yeah but by like 5kilos

[stoic ledge]

Kwartetkaarten

[fathom socket]

I think it’s really impressive how light the managed to make the nd

[stoic ledge]

Ngl I quite like the Fiat 124 Spider

👀

[feral reef]

The new one?

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[feral reef]

Sounds a lot better than my ND

[stoic ledge]

Already discontinued tho

[feral reef]

But also costs like 2-3x as much 😂

[stoic ledge]

What

[feral reef]

used

[stoic ledge]

Cheapest one 21k.
Cheapest ND 17.5k but with more than double the miles and the 1.5

[feral reef]

Mhhhh

Might have been thinking of the Abarth

[stoic ledge]

Ah yeah that one is probably more expensive

Cheapest Abarth is 28.5k

[feral reef]

in NL?

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[feral reef]

I have the 2.0 (ND1)

Sometimes wish I'd have gotten the ND2 or the 1.5 for the higher rev limit

[stoic ledge]

You can still get it

[feral reef]

I only got this one 3 months ago 😂

And is a really good spec

[stoic ledge]

[brittle totem]

The Abarth 124 spider looks pretty good to.

[civic spoke]

I would really want the ND2 RF

[fathom socket]

Dream car would be a 1988 Toyota Supra 🥵🥵

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I personally prefer the Fiat/Abarth version over the MX-5 ND, personally

[glad vapor]

What do y'all think of the Edison Future EF1-T

[feral reef]

takes this as a personal insult

[stoic ledge]

I'm sorry 🙃

But I won't fit in either of them

So basically /care

😛

[stoic ledge]

Looks like the Silverado EV lol

[fathom socket]

Ew dafuq is that

[glad vapor]

A car?

[brittle totem]

How long are you my brother is pretty long to and he fits fine in his Abarth 595.

[stoic ledge]

6ft4 / 194cm

[brittle totem]

Yeah he is 188 cm fits fine. But not sure about you length. But the Abarth 595 is more roomier then it looks from the outside and the driver seats goes pretty far back to.

[stoic ledge]

We had a 500 loaner once, or my brother did, couldn't really sit too well in that, my head was touching the roof. Did have a pano roof which might reduce the space.

[brittle totem]

Yeah my brother one has the fixed roof but it is in competizione trim so it has the sports/buckers seats witch are actually pretty high up i think that the normal seats are even lower then them.

[stoic ledge]

I know from reviews they're high up, don't hope they're higher as that would be really high lol

[brittle totem]

They are higher then the seats in his old e91 so maybe they are higher then the standard seats in the abarth to.

[stoic ledge]

E9x is a very low car lol

Compared to an E91 my Corsa step in height is a lifted SUV lol

[civic spoke]

Aye. Low-slung. Much lower seating.

[feral reef]

Just get the convertible one, problem solved

[civic spoke]

Mini Cooper is also a car that I've considered.

[brittle totem]

Yeah but I think that the Abarth 595 competizon is even lower. Here is comperison between the 595 and his first e90.

[stoic ledge]

Ah lower in ride height, sure. But the 500/595/whatever had a way different seating position, the seats in the E9x are positioned waay lower and you sit IN it, not ON it like in the 500/595

[brittle totem]

Yeah the Abarth feels like a suv compared to his e90s that he hade before. Becuse of the seats probely becuse the bucket seats doesn't have adjustable hight so the need to be high enough so most people can fit in them.

[stoic ledge]

And the general way seats are positioned in the car, it's already fairly high up

[sudden pecan]

oop

[feral reef]

haha, I've done that before

[wraith rivet]

same

it’s like I’m focused on getting it straight and don’t remember to stop early

what kinda car is that @sudden pecan ?

[feral reef]

Usually parking spots have little stone strips that stop you from going that far

[wraith rivet]

My bumper sometimes scrapes on those stone strips lmao

[feral reef]

haha, that's a low car

[wraith rivet]

idk why some are bigger than others or maybe I’m at an angle or something idk

[sudden pecan]

mozda 3

[wraith rivet]

Nice I thought so

[feral reef]

mazda gang

What tires are those?

I can't quite figure it out

[wraith rivet]

I have a Mazda 6 and it happens lol so idk

[sudden pecan]

michelin ps4

[wraith rivet]

it’s not lowered or anything

[feral reef]

mhhh I thought so

But I thought they had the pilot sport branding on them after the michelin branding?

[sudden pecan]

is on the other side i think

[feral reef]

I couldn't get the 4s in my size

I went with the 5

Probably a better choice

Supposedly these have a 40% longer tread life than the 4 non s

Also these have so much more grip than I need with my power levels

Like it is impossible to break traction

Unless it is wet

Kind of boring even

ewwwh my paint cries if I do that

Got enough stone chips as is 😂

[sudden pecan]

mazda paint thinness

[feral reef]

My car would not like that

The most sideways I've managed to make it go

But as soon as you let off a little bit it immediately regains grip

And that's just ramming the throttle in first

😂

I'll probably be able to have a bit more of that kind of fun when it gets colder and I put on my winter tires

the PS5s were too expensive to have too much fun with 😂

But the grip is absolutely miraculous

Sheesh

aaaaah

My set of 4 including mounting them was €720

That's 205/45 R17

I should have probably gone 215/45 as that was cheaper

[brittle totem]

Yeah don't do that with your feature M140i that will not end in a good way.

[sudden pecan]

ps4/ps5s are around £150-160 per tyre for me

[feral reef]

They've gotten quite a bit cheaper since I got them

A lot cheaper if I went 215/45

just the tires?

prices for that size

[brittle totem]

Was that with your current e90 ? How is the sale of your current BMW going any offers yet ?

[feral reef]

But yeah, with the supposed 40% extra tread life, I don't mind having paid a bit more

[wraith rivet]

we were literally just taking about it 😭

[brittle totem]

Probably because of that gravel road driving. Don't show that to the next owner.

[feral reef]

hahahhaha

[brittle totem]

No parking sensors or did they miss the pole ?

[feral reef]

My car has this cross traffic warning beep, it's actually the best

I wish I had front parking sensors though

Short video showing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXpCfsnYyyk

[sudden pecan]

my parking sensors have offed themselves for some reason

[brittle totem]

Cross traffic warning but no front parking sensors that's unusual.

[sudden pecan]

rip

[feral reef]

I'm not sure if it's even an option

[brittle totem]

Yeah my dads Passat has similar feature the only annoying thing is that it is literally breaks hard if you are backing up and the parking sensors senses things like high grass.

[feral reef]

haha

Yeah high grass makes my parking sensors go wild

no braking though

[brittle totem]

If you get one with the upgraded lights they should be good enough for night driving.

[feral reef]

Apparently my car does brake by itself if it detects an unavoidable crash?

[sudden pecan]

mine does that apparently too at low speed

havent tested it lmao

[feral reef]

also this

Brake Assist

During emergency braking situations when it is necessary to depress the brake pedal with greater force, the brake assist system provides braking assistance, thus enhancing braking performance.
When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, the brakes apply more firmly.

NOTE
When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, the pedal will feel softer but the brakes will apply more firmly. This is a normal effect of the brake assist operation and does not indicate a malfunction.
When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, a motor/pump operation noise may be heard. This is a normal effect of the brake assist and does not indicate a malfunction.
The brake assist equipment does not supersede the functionality of the vehicle's main braking system.

[feral reef]

haha, good

[brittle totem]

Yeah its super annoying specially with Volkswagen parking sensors beeps its super loud to on the newer ones.

[wraith rivet]

Do you have the smart city brake support thing? There’s also another option for higher speed

[feral reef]

I think so, I don't actually know

[wraith rivet]

smart city whatever only works from like 4 to 19mph for some reason it’s supposed to help you if you aren’t paying attention in stop and go

[wraith rivet]

There should be a button by the traction control called scmbs or something like that

[feral reef]

I have "auto high beams", that just loves blinding people

Here is just one of the many times it happened

Yeah, I think I need a newer model year for that

[brittle totem]

They are good enough on my moms f45 for Swedish winter but maybe they are worse on f20s. But the ones on my dads Passat is even better but it has led matrix light. But the ones on his "old" 2017 Passat was on the same level as the flash on your average smartphone.

[feral reef]

So mine only does that with the low beam

and the high beam is just a toggle on off

The newer system the high beam is dynamic but the low beam is "dumb"

My low beam also goes around corners when you steer

[brittle totem]

Same thing here when we hade bike rack carrier on the car witch was not plugged in with a cable it just instantly stopped when we are trying to reverse the car.

[feral reef]

Would that not restrict air flow a bit too much?

[brittle totem]

that happened a lot with dads Passat with the matrix lights before it gor ota update and then they fixed it but my moms BMW has never blinded anyone to this day.

[brittle totem]

Does it have the adaptive head lights or just the normal led ones.

My dad hade a similer lightbar on his 2017 passat and it didnt block the front parking sensors.

[stoic ledge]

@upbeat hatch you bought an F20 already?

Aight okay

E90 sold?

My brother will pick up the F20 tomorrow if all goes well

[frigid anchor]

Ah yes my lights are shiz

Or I get blinded

Because everyone in India always has their lights on high

[stoic ledge]

Yikes

[frigid anchor]

Those trucks with four headlights two fog lamps a light bar and LEDs all over them hurt the most

They blind Me every where

Even in my room

[brittle totem]

Typcal Tesla moment right their i have been blinded so many Times by them. And everyone that I know that ownes a Tesla have one thing they dont like and that the automatic lights.

[charred depot]

I fockin hate people with auto high beams

[brittle totem]

Not when they works led matrix is probely the best thing on my dads passat. And general the best thing on modern cars.

[charred depot]

if it works its alright but I always seem to be on the receiving end of not working

[magic crow]

headlights are way too bright these days

[charred depot]

pwopah headlights

[fathom socket]

giving cars a "convenience/safety feature" that will accidentally blind oncoming traffic more than 50% of the time should just be widely accepted as a stupid idea

[charred depot]

its like a learner driver

im amazed how persistent it is and it doesent just go nah do it yourself m8

audi seems to have the best system

[brittle totem]

Our BMW has newer blinded anyone in in the past 2 years that we have owned it. And our passat hade some problems for the first 2 months but after that it has been very solid with the matrix lights.

We have thst in our BMW to but I dont understand the reason it takes like double the time as parking manually.

[charred depot]

well obviously its for certain people

[fathom socket]

maybe that's because bmws are blinding normally

[charred depot]

:^)

cars have always been blinding in certain situations as its very hard for them not to be just we have gotten so bright that its not very nice

if someone gets in the dipped beam zone of my 305 its not going to bother them that much

if you live somewhere level its not too bad

[fathom socket]

I suppose with computer modelling they think they can allow the 1 million watt LED array to cover all the area up to the very bottom of an oncoming car of the same height's windscreen

[frigid anchor]

So my car is an old Hyundai , plastic interior ofc , I hear something rattling in the boot door , I opened the interior plastic and checked but there was nothing loose how do I fix this and it is like 2x the road noise

[fathom socket]

hit a single little bumpo and the oncoming bmw is blindo

[brittle totem]

Probely becuse most BMW doesn't have it becuse everything is optinal extra on them.

[fathom socket]

my mini gets blinded by anything with LED pretty much, which is fair enough given I'm a bit lower than the average but halogens are very very rarely focusing their light directly in my retinas

[charred depot]

No car I know of yet has topographical compensation

[stoic ledge]

Damn those Tesla's are quite bad... Model S with AP1 did okay for parallel but all the others were terrible

[charred depot]

Its amazing just how hesistant and indecisive they are

[brittle totem]

Yeah they struggle with auto parking and automatic headlights apparently but they can make the most capable full self driving software right now.

[deep zealot]

There is a sound

not much of it but it’s there

[brittle totem]

Launch control in a parking lot sounds like a good idea. Someone at my local grocery store did that and ended up totaling their parents brand new Tesla model x because the crashed intro a tree. But they did it winter when it was really Icey so the driver cant have been the smartest person alive. Here is the tree that somehow managed to crash into head on at pretty high speed to.

[brittle totem]

Witch car is that is it a 328i xDrive ?

[deep zealot]

That’s right

and I know my car and it’s limits, as well as the road conditions

[brittle totem]

Yeah they guy that launched his parents brand new model x probably didn't know anything about the car. He thought that launching a 2,500kg car with like 700hp on a Icey parking lot was a good idea. And to get a license here in Sweden you need to to mandatory course when you get to drive on very slippery condition to so you know how it feels like to loose control over the car and how to handle does situation but he still decide to that. And I bet that his parents isn't that happy because the car was like 2 weeks old and it was right before tesla stopped delivering model x to Europe so they still hasn't got an replacement car if they decided to go for an model x again.

[vocal mural]

I did the courses in December, Although I have a license at the moment

Real Swedish conditions then

[stoic ledge]

Update 9 appears to have gotten better I've heard? I'd not get it tho

[brittle totem]

Did mine in January it was like -12c that day. In a Nissan leaf 2020 witch was nice so you could have the heater on while waiting for your turn.

[brittle totem]

Got blinded by like 5 model y in row. The really need to release the led matrix software fir their cars they have the hardware installed already but not the software for the lights. Probably because it wail illegal in USA until a few months ago.

[stoic ledge]

Ah meant the FSD .. headlights stay shite yea

Luckily I've barely seen Model Y's yet

Also better for my eyes, ugly AF

Apparently 2500 on Dutch plates, haven't really seen any on Dutch plates yet

Probably all near the coast

Let them stay there

[brittle totem]

I see at least 5-10 model y each day in my neighborhood. They are not the best looking cars but I don't think they are that ugly the front is bit meh but the rest of the car is decent. their is roughly 7500 model y in Sweden right now. And its number 7 on best selling cars over the past year. Bit they have released a cheaper on like 2 weeks ago witch probably will sell pretty good here to because it cost less the 700,000SEK so you will get that 70,000SEK back from government to witch you currently doesn't get with the model y long range.

[vocal mural]

Did it in a Dacia Duster on a race track in Falun, with speed limiter on to 50km/h

[wraith rivet]

I see like a dozen model 3’s every day here in California

A couple model s’s and x’s every now and then

not as many people have model y’s as model 3’s surprisingly

[stoic ledge]

Idk I think they're ugly AF, nothing is well designed imho. Currently #74 best selling car in NL 😛

[brittle totem]

50km/h limiter ? We where allowed to go up 90km/h but the track that I did it on was specially build for it.

[vocal mural]

Did it by myself, on one round i did 70

This was the track

[brittle totem]

I did it at Gillinge halkbana in Vallentuna. Probably the only good one near Stockholm.

[vocal mural]

That seems capable of 90 km/h indeed

[brittle totem]

I have been very close to that track this Christmas when I was in Falun. My brother wanted to do some "drifting" with his e92 before selling and it was a bit of snow in Falun at that point to and everything was closed so nearly no cars or trucks on the roads.

[feral reef]

I've seen like 4 or 5?

Quite a rare sight indeed

Especially compared to the 50+ models 3s you seen on a typical day

[brittle totem]

Crossovers seems to very popular right now in Sweden and the Nordic countries in genera. It used to be estate cars before the crossover and SUV "revolution" And the model 3 wasn't big enough for the "average" Swedish family so that's why the model y is so popular over here but model 3 is very common to. I have seen a lot of family's that has gotten a model y recently so they have a model 3 and y.

[stoic ledge]

Let's keep it that way

New Model 3 sales are also extremely low, nobody wants them at full price

But I drive a lot in Belgium, so it makes sense I don't see Dutch Model Y's often :)

[feral reef]

With current energy prices people are probably aren't rushing to get an electric car 😂

[brittle totem]

Did 5 mins of google earth spotting in my neighborhood and this is what I found.

[brittle totem]

People seem to love to buy them for their current super high prices here In Sweden.

[brittle totem]

Still way cheaper then gas if you charge it during off peak hours.

[feral reef]

Well that's very depending on your energy contract, but if you were to get a new one now, absolutely not

Driving electric is actually significantly more expensive if so

1 euro/KWh

0.89 off peak

[deep zealot]

People are scalping Model 3s Now

It’s an actual joke

A brand new base model 3 is like $67K here

[brittle totem]

Not with out gas prices my friends dad payed around 45$ for the whole last month and was like 400kwh so like 2500km of total driving that month. one full tank of diesel cost us around 150$ and that gives us a driving distance of around 1200km. So around 300$ for the same distance in our diesel car:

[deep zealot]

For this price I can get an M3 F80 and mod it out to 700 hp

$67K for a cheap electric car is

[feral reef]

Where do you live that you're only playing 11 cents/kwh 👀

[brittle totem]

that is for all evs I know a guy that bought an id4 for around 55k and drove like 45000km in a year and then sold it back to Volkswagen for 67k.

[deep zealot]

Lol EV tax is crazy now

Might as well buy a nice gas car and save the money

Have more fun while i’m at it

[brittle totem]

He only charges their car during night when the electricity is dirt cheap compared to during the day. Last night the prices for electricity during night was 0,0058$/kwh

[feral reef]

wtf, haha where

Literally 155 times cheaper than there if you get a new contract

[stoic ledge]

Imagine scalping that car

[stoic ledge]

They're still advertised expensive here but I never see anyone buy them

[brittle totem]

A bit South of Stockholm Sweden.

[feral reef]

Well consider me jealous

[stoic ledge]

They're still bought as company cars used if they fall under the low company car tax rules (so a 2019 or 2020 car)

[feral reef]

Our energy bill is going to be like 1k a month

[stoic ledge]

It's okay with solar panels for now xD

Getting electricity from the grid at current rates, it's more expensive than petrol xD

[stoic ledge]

You also have hourly rates here, which are also from time to time a few cents (or even negative), but the next hour they might be €1.50. Really depends on demand and supply

So for like last friday, these were hourly rates:

02 Sep  12:00:  39.0 ct
02 Sep  13:00:  36.9 ct
02 Sep  14:00:  37.1 ct
02 Sep  15:00:  42.2 ct
02 Sep  16:00:  48.3 ct
02 Sep  17:00:  61.2 ct
02 Sep  18:00:  68.7 ct
02 Sep  19:00:  73.1 ct
02 Sep  20:00:  68.3 ct
02 Sep  21:00:  52.1 ct
02 Sep  22:00:  40.0 ct
02 Sep  23:00:  36.9 ct```

With solar panels hourly rates would be shite, as when there's no sun the prices are high

[feral reef]

Well definitely don't turn on the dish washer at 18:00 😂

[stoic ledge]

So really depends on the situation what's more beneficial

During the summer you can get negative rates

[feral reef]

Makes sense I guess

[stoic ledge]

July/August

[feral reef]

All power that gets generated needs to go somewhere

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

So with solar panels, not a good idea to get hourly rates

We still have a fixed plan with ~16c/kWh But we also have solar panels so /care
But for gas it's nice (~85c/m³)

[feral reef]

Lucky you

[brittle totem]

But most people charged their evs during the night when the electricity is still pretty cheap. This was yesterday at midnight 59,89öre/kwh is around 0,0055$/kwh

[stoic ledge]

LOL lucky, yeah no that's not the case here

But, 90% of EV's are company cars so who cares

Boss will pay the electricity bill

0.01/kWh, 1.00/kWh? No problem

[feral reef]

wait 60 Öre?

Is that 60 Swedish crowns?

[brittle totem]

Nope 100 Öre is 1 Swedish crowns.

[feral reef]

ahh

[civic spoke]

Öre is the Swedish Cent.

[stoic ledge]

And 1 SEK = 0.093 euro atm

So 1 Öre = 0.00093 euro

[feral reef]

I don't think your math is correct though

[stoic ledge]

0.055 euro/kWh

[feral reef]

You say 0,0055$ but I think that's meant to be 0,055$

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

Factor 10 difference

Still cheap

😛

[feral reef]

haha yeah

[stoic ledge]

Dutchies would kill for that price xD

[civic spoke]

Most of Swedish power comes from hydro.

[feral reef]

Can I get a really long extension cord to Sweden?

[brittle totem]

Yeah I just noticed that.

[stoic ledge]

You can better get one from Sweden

😛

[civic spoke]

Just go to IKEA and buy your extension cord there.

[brittle totem]

Here is the peak rates.

[civic spoke]

Basically $7 per kWh.

[feral reef]

That's a lot more

[stoic ledge]

0.69€, nice

[stoic ledge]

Still factor 10 wrong 😛

[civic spoke]

Yeah. I realized that shortly after I wrote it.

[stoic ledge]

[feral reef]

I think some people in here skipped math class

[stoic ledge]

At €7/kWh, idk I'd just turn of the breaker for the entire house

[feral reef]

I'd just go buy AA batteries in bulk

😂

[stoic ledge]

I'd probably run my car as generator

Way cheaper

[feral reef]

Yeah

[brittle totem]

Here is average price per day right now with all the electricity tax and and vat where I live.

[stoic ledge]

Might be bad for the environment... So be it

[feral reef]

€7/kWh would tear apart the country

[stoic ledge]

~0.41€... Current plans are ~€1/kWh

[stoic ledge]

It already is

[feral reef]

Yeah it is

but 7 would be immediate same day uprising

[stoic ledge]

With current plan the average home is looking at ~7-10k/year in electricity and gas bills

[brittle totem]

Yeah at that rate it would have cost you around 575$ to charge your average ev.

[feral reef]

Yeah, the vast majority can not afford that

[stoic ledge]

[feral reef]

Even "well off" households are going to struggle hard

[stoic ledge]

If the prices stay like this... I'll get way more solar panels and an air/water heatpump

1 time investment of ~15k?

ROI: 2 years

Not too bad

[feral reef]

Yeah a ground source heat pump would be real nice right now

We had one in the holiday home

[charred depot]

id consider solar but I live in Scotland, I question the 100% cloud cover efficiency

[stoic ledge]

I'm not really planning on digging up the entire back yard for a heatpump

[feral reef]

And for cooling it had a 1 : 10 performance coefficient

[brittle totem]

Nah just buy solar then and problem solved. Or nevermind we don't have any sun light for like 6 months here

[feral reef]

At current prices you just need a couple days to pay for it, lmao

[stoic ledge]

Our AC has a EER of ~8 so that's also very nice (for cooling). COP I need to check but A+++ so 👌

[feral reef]

I don't actually know what mine is rated at

[brittle totem]

And our government pays up to 60% of the total price for the installation to (:

[pearl plover]

Brazil's Justice Ministry has just ordered Apple to stop selling iPhones without a charger in the box

[stoic ledge]

We have an expensive set (SunPower + SolarEdge), with the current prices that'd be a ROI within 2 years

And that's basically the most expensive/pReMiUm setup you can get

[brittle totem]

And we don't even have an ac so nothing to worry about. But maybe its time to get one its stating to pretty warm up here in north during the summers.

[stoic ledge]

With cheap Chinese stuff, closer to half that

[stoic ledge]

We got it installed last year upstairs, great for the bedrooms. Downstairs is alright, but sleeping in the heat is bad

Got it on today, it's december but still was 29 or 30 here today

[feral reef]

Mine is A+

[stoic ledge]

OOF

F

[feral reef]

This is only used for 1 room

Got a total of 3 single split units

[stoic ledge]

Actually odd it's more efficient in heating than cooling, usually it's the other way around

[feral reef]

On the hottest days running it all day was about €2 at I think 50 cent/kwh

[brittle totem]

Yeah sleeping in anything above 15c is hard for men I am that type of guy that can have the window open during winter while I am sleeping and don't get cold at all. But when I am awake I am completely different and wants it to be like at least 22c in the room. But I don't even need to have the heater on in my room my pc does the job.

[feral reef]

anything about 20c in my bedroom and I have trouble sleeping

[stoic ledge]

Yeah in winter I have the window open

[feral reef]

haha same

[stoic ledge]

No problem

Love it

[brittle totem]

Its a bit colder here but not that bad yet but the summer it defiantly over.

[stoic ledge]

I'm going to tweak our heating system tho, try to make it a bit more efficient. With the floor heating I should be able to lower the CH temperature, make the pump go a bit lower to reduce the return temperature... Hopefully save some gas, and we might end up on a 0€ bill this year

[feral reef]

I installed smart radiator knobs on all radiators, cut our gas usage in half

[stoic ledge]

Very fun atm, 31 degrees today but now thunderstoms xD

[brittle totem]

But I start to freeze like the second that I leave my bad. And I sleep with a "thin" summer blanket all year around.

[stoic ledge]

Tado My brother has that too. But useless here because of the floor heating, and we basically only heat downstairs ("one" room, kitchen/living room/dining room is all open/connected)

[feral reef]

exactly, love it

Actually need to replace some of the batteries

But that can wait until heating season

[stoic ledge]

Hehe facts

Recently found out the floor heating pump was drawing 72W continuously

24hrs/day, 7d/w, 52w/year

That's a lot of electricity lol

~630kWh

[feral reef]

haha, we disabled the floor heating in our downstairs bathroom for that reason 😂

We do between 10000 and 14000 KWH/year

Can't keep doing that 😂

[stoic ledge]

I'm going to swap the pump soon, but no rush as our solar panels cover everything for now

OOF that's a lot

We're at ~4000kWh

I do hope you have Solar

Otherwise, yikes

[feral reef]

Nope

[stoic ledge]

F

Why not?

[feral reef]

Good question

[stoic ledge]

Heh

Anyway I feel like we're going a bit offtopic

[feral reef]

Cars use fuel, fuel is energy

We're talking about energy

Hence, we're on topic

[stoic ledge]

Humans are energy... What happens to that energy when you pass away?

Can we harvest that energy?

[feral reef]

Lowers your power bill

[feral reef]

Well you could

It's a bit frowned upon I imagine

[stoic ledge]

Can I run my car on the energy of dead people?

[feral reef]

Hell yeah you can

[stoic ledge]

[tropic mulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/853231410785550379/1015939451672870942/b7a835.mp4

[stoic ledge]

What a lovely video

I'm grateful that happened

[feral reef]

This is on-topic, a video of my hood misbehaving

[brittle totem]

Hmm i am wondering if the ferry insurence would cover those cars if the boat would have sunk.

[wraith rivet]

Lmao fools

[stoic ledge]

Bonnet catch doing it's job :)

[stoic ledge]

> TikTok

[fathom socket]

https://youtu.be/zD2VcaA4WRs

is this avg Peugeot driver?

drives a Peugeot and can't spell the cars name

[fathom socket]

now imagine ferry full of trucks

I still find funny how my first few jobs as a truck driver was to transport high value cargo

[stoic ledge]

Well it's a massive car, hard to steer

[wraith rivet]

How are these people allowed to drive oml

[fathom socket]

do you think economy of 7.8l/100km on highway when basically loaded to the limit with 2.0 petrol engine on a Peugeot 307 is good?

[sinful tendon]

Sounds fair to me.

[deep zealot]

https://youtu.be/RfQhrQiHbIU

[wild tiger]

My box is faster than all of my friends cars

Bc Buick 3800 land yahts

[wraith rivet]

It takes one person switching lanes for these people to kill someone

I wouldn’t trust American highways anyway

you could hit one major bump going that fast and lose traction

especially in the east with snow messing up the roads

driving in New York is like off roading

[brittle totem]

But trucks doesn't cost over 3 milion $ before tax or am I am wrong ?

[wraith rivet]

Maybe if they were hauling stuff

I wonder if that would be the reason for sinking the ferry lol

[stoic ledge]

Kek we got that with the 1.6 16v with regular driving, so not too bad xD

[brittle totem]

This one i way worse. Idk how she managed to complete the drving test at all. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNKNqNmb/

[wraith rivet]

If I were in that situation I think the easiest thing to do is reverse straight out, then pull in forward more to the left so when you back out the next time you can crank it left all the way

If that makes sense

[brittle totem]

And you are allowed to drive with 0,08% alchohol in your blood to witch is stupid high in some states.

[wraith rivet]

yeah I think that’s what it is here

what is it where you are?

[stoic ledge]

It's 0.02% here

But if I have to drive I don't drink at all

Because why would I

[brittle totem]

I think it is 0,02% but you can get arrested for even lower then that to.

[wraith rivet]

Oh dang that’s low

[wraith rivet]

Right??

like you go drive to a bar knowing you’re going to probably get a little drunk knowing you’re gonna have to drive home…

[stoic ledge]

Typo, 0.02%, 0.05% is when the fines are getting heavier including removed license + mandatory course of ~€2k lol

[stoic ledge]

Get a cab of don't drink

[wraith rivet]

exactly

[stoic ledge]

I do like a beer but if I need to drive then hell no

[wraith rivet]

Do you know what the deal with Uber and drunk passengers are? Some people say it’s not allowed but idk

[stoic ledge]

I never used it

Don't even think I've ever been in a taxi

Definitely not an uber

So idk

[wraith rivet]

hm oh well

[brittle totem]

You can get prision up 6 months if you drive with while you are drunk here. But I think that is more likely to happend if you have caused serious damage or in worst case even killed someone. The normal punichment i fines our a revoked licenses for a set time like 1-2 years.

[stoic ledge]

It really depends, after a certain amount there's no set punishment, it all goes by a judge. But imho, penalties can not be high enough

Some stuff like using a phone while, not giving way when allowed, speeding 30km/h over: just give €1000+ fines That'll teach people

[wild tiger]

Taco is also the shape they make when they break in half

[vocal mural]

2‰ for new drivers,
5‰ for experienced

[civic spoke]

Limit here is 2‰ here too. But it's essentially a zero limit policy.

[brittle totem]

Why is it even a difference on a new driver and experienced one here in Sweden the rules are the same but when you looses you license in the first 2 years you need to wait like up to like 2 years and then redo the whole driver course. for the beginning.

[stoic ledge]

Ah yeah so I was right before, I changed it

But just don't drink and drive

Gg ez

[brittle totem]

But is sounds a bit stupid that "experience" driver has a higher limit why should you be "allowed" to drive more drunk if you have hade you licenses for longer.

[errant shore]

Its not length you’ve had your license its how good you are at driving, an experienced drive has better muscle memory of how to drive and knows what to do in an emergency

[brittle totem]

Yeah but if you smart enough you shouldn't drive at all if you have alcohol in you blood.

[errant shore]

So experienced drivers cant party?

[brittle totem]

Yes but don't drive after that.

[feral reef]

The limit for experience drivers is a “logical” limit

One where most people if they stay below allows them to safely drive

The lower limit for less experienced drivers is there to try to prevent younger people drinking too much, since they more likely to misjudge their capabilities after a drink of 2

If you’re at or below the the adult limit, you’re very very far away from “drunk”

[hoary pine]

5‰ are still low enough practically, but I just don't get why even lower for inexperienced ones.

a limit of 2‰ are basically zero

[feral reef]

Because young inexperienced drivers for the most part are idiotic, and it’s hoped to have the effect of making them less likely to drive actually drunk, as they know even a little bit means they’re breaking the law

[hoary pine]

Idiots will do stupid things nonmatter what you tell them.
And people that take one sip at the first toast and put down the glass knows they shouldn't take another other nomatter he is 21 or 41.

[feral reef]

What?

Over here a typical man (experienced driver) could drink 2 standard units of alcohol and begin legally driving straight away

A third would put them over the limit

Wait about an hour and you could legally drive again

[hoary pine]

That is not constant tho, how much goes and stay in your blood from the same drink various day from day, also BAC raises and falls a little (both ways) up to few hours after you drink makes judgement difficult.
So two standard drinks are just rough estimate and you should stay way below that anyways.
I recall when law introduce here people talks about two standard drinks a lot and eventually they just say stay on the safe side.

[civic spoke]

I wonder when car prices will go down to more reasonable levels again.

[stoic ledge]

In the near future: probably not

Just picked up zhe 1er with my brother

[brittle totem]

Our limit in Sweden is 0,02 but we have pretty strict rules in general becuse we hade a thing called "nollvisionen" so basically it means that no one should die or be seriously injured in traffic.

[civic spoke]

Vision Zero.

[stoic ledge]

With loads of alcohol you have zero vision

[brittle totem]

How does the car feel compared to his old e90 ?

[hoary pine]

Given the advancement of active safety features wealthy countries should be able to achieve that soon enough if they try.
BTW did they came up with ideas to mitigating fatigued driving yet?

[brittle totem]

You mean driving when you really tired ?

[hoary pine]

Yeah, it is easy to find out people that DUI but fatigued driving seems hard enough.