public-chat

[hoary schooner]

i quite literally NEED more to properly map more pci devices to my vm

[devout pasture]

fair

[hoary schooner]

i wanted 128 or 256

looks like that’s never happening cuz i refuse to spend over $500-700 on ram that’s absurd

js changed that number like twice LMAO

[devout pasture]

bruh

I dont do much , but I do feel I will be okay with 16 gigs

8 gigs too low even for chrome

it would get stuck for a few seconds randomly

Switched to Vivaldi

[hoary schooner]

16 gigs fine for gaming and browsing

[devout pasture]

If linux runs like 1.5 times better than windows on my pc, I will just switch

but I like ease

so I am not sure

[hoary schooner]

just use a simplified distro

linux isn’t hard to learn to use tho, few days and you’ll be comfortable

[devout pasture]

mint? or something

I have used a bit of linux in the past

but never commited

[hoary schooner]

idk tbh, i use cachyos i used to use arch but those might not be great to switch from windows to daily driving immediately

[devout pasture]

I tried android and chrome os too 🥲

[hoary schooner]

chrome os is terrible

chromebooks are only good for putting linux on

[devout pasture]

I dont mind learning but something like arch is a no no for me

[devout pasture]

fr

windows is really giving me a headache

cpu always at like 20% usage

[hoary schooner]

everything’s at 0 on cachy lol

except mem

but that’s all os

[devout pasture]

last time that was the case for windows i was on win 7 😭😭

this is just idling

bruh

[granite peak]

What cpu is that ?

[devout pasture]

i3 bruh

[granite peak]

Id say an 8th or 9th gen

[devout pasture]

1305

[granite peak]

1305u ?

[devout pasture]

13th gen

yeah

[granite peak]

Laptop !

[devout pasture]

right

[granite peak]

Well it has 1 performance core

And 4 efficiency cores

[devout pasture]

I see less usage on a 2nd gen i3

on an older build of windows 11 though

[granite peak]

P core has 2 threads
E cores have 4
Hence the 6 in the task manager

[devout pasture]

yes

[granite peak]

Ah okay

Dude

How does the 1305u feel tho ?

Is it slow ? Or just works ? Non gaming

[devout pasture]

its okay and then it isnt

[granite peak]

Does it slow down ?

[devout pasture]

yes it does sometimes , like it boots quick but then for like 30 seconds its slow, then If I am doing some design work and the file it big , then saving takes a bit of time

what I hate more is the fans though

I am the type of person that think the macbook air is perfect

[tribal meteor]

Got this keyboard on Amazon just cause. I'm actually liking this keyboard:

https://a.co/d/04WWAipU

[granite peak]

Dude your laptop isnt supposed to do design work.....

Im surprised u could do it at all

[devout pasture]

fr

[granite peak]

It has one strong core and 4 weak ones

And yes , the m5 air would smoke it

[tribal meteor]

I started with the M1 Air and I was still able to do some work with it on InDesign and Illustrator. Where do you get off with this?

[granite peak]

That's not a fair compare tho

M5 air is 1199 bucks

[devout pasture]

dude , I was buying the one with ryzen5 but

[devout pasture]

i mean yeah

this was like 400

[granite peak]

The m1 smokes the 1305u on multicore

[granite peak]

Yeah dude.... Fair enough

Its for light stuff

[devout pasture]

but now the new mac

its 599 right? the neo ig

[tribal meteor]

I have the following:

• M1 Air
• M2 Pro
• M3 Maax
• M4 Max
• M5 Max

[granite peak]

Idk dude
I would tell u to stop

[tribal meteor]

This would be the MacBook Neo and it outperforms the M1 Base.

[granite peak]

Its good but......

[tribal meteor]

Shush.

[granite peak]

Not for .... Ur stuff

[devout pasture]

yeah , but its better that rn

[tribal meteor]

What's that supposed to mean?

[granite peak]

Its a snappy laptop for basic stuff ngl

[devout pasture]

like better than what I have though

[granite peak]

A18 pro is strong as hell

But dude 8gb is devious work

[devout pasture]

its got 8?

[granite peak]

Yeah

[tribal meteor]

I'm gonna stop you right there.

[granite peak]

Aight

[modest beacon]

if it had a19pro then it would have 12gb of ram

[granite peak]

Nah dude a18 pro is great

[tribal meteor]

@devout pasture what do you do? I see you're needing a new laptop, but what specifically do you do?

[modest beacon]

i know just saying guess theyre using leftover chips

[granite peak]

Its a good laptop ngl
But 8gb is .... Eughh

Like the first thing i look for in a device is how well the cpu is

But 8gb is just horrendous

[tribal meteor]

For what the Neo is, you seriously cannot go wrong with it. It's an impressive machine that struck a deadly blow to the Windows market.

Compare the build quality to those of equivalent within the Windows market.

[granite peak]

True

But 8gb is devious dude

I tried the m1 pro on 16gb and the m1 on 8gb

Both are good , but the moment u start multitasking the m1 8gb starts tweakin

[agile hill]

Honestly, I reckon its pretty easy to go wrong with it

[devout pasture]

next year probably . I do vector and sometimes rastor design and I am learning cavalry for 2d animation. and also use vscode in college . So i really need good battery

[agile hill]

I feel like everyone who is reviewing it and the people who are tech enthusiasts and talking about it forget a very simple fact, not everyone is as into tech as them

[tribal meteor]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about and you probably don't even have first hand experience with the machine. I do.

I bought the M5 Max and the Neo. I tested the Neo with some yearbook work with it in InDesign and it loaded the yearbook project that I have, just fine.

You really need to check your facts before you start running your mouth as you clearly have no proof or anything to back your claims.

[granite peak]

Yeah right i didnt touch anything newer than the m1 pro

[agile hill]

Like for example you mentioned that you have had a mac with every single m chip generation and also the higher end SKUs

[granite peak]

This is true

[agile hill]

Most people buy a single laptop and run that until it breaks

[granite peak]

M5 air is good ngl

[agile hill]

Like for example No one in my family has ever owned a PC. Until Covid times we would have 2 laptops in the house not including work devices

[tribal meteor]

Oh yeah, I see where you're going with this. I do believe you will struggle with the MacBook Neo and you will be limited.

In this market and the budget you're in, you are better off buying used between the M1 Pro or Max to the M5 Base.

[devout pasture]

even though I am into tech but I would still use a better laptop for longer

[agile hill]

Whatever laptop we got would be the machine that did whatever it needed to do, no option to opt to use a "Real computer" for "real work"

[tribal meteor]

I just considered these MacBook purchases as a business expense

[agile hill]

Fair

[tribal meteor]

To be fair, being in the live entertainment industry -- plus being a photographer and videographer, you'd ideally need a machine that's powerful enough for on the go projects.

I was able to justify that with the Max chips with Macbooks.

[agile hill]

As someone who was a hardcore windows user and bought their first mac just the past november, its pretty clear the neo is not where it is at for me or most of the poeple I know

[devout pasture]

sometimes i am doing 3 of those things at the same time so , rn with my laptop , I am really struggling

it works

[granite peak]

That's like 4 grands

[devout pasture]

but just

[granite peak]

Which is justifiable

[agile hill]

i got an incredible deal on an m4 air and had to pull the trigger as it was like 60% of the price of whatever else I was lookigna t

[hoary schooner]

macos compatibility tho 🙄

[granite peak]

You have bad multicore.... Xd

[devout pasture]

fr

[hoary schooner]

love my macbook wish it could be my daily driver

[tribal meteor]

Very much so. I've tested the Neo with Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop, InDesign and Illustrator -- all programs mentioned ran, without a hitch.

I'm surprised with how capable it is for a phone SOC.

[devout pasture]

I do game a bit though , so If i were to switch to mac , I would have to have a pc on the side

[granite peak]

Almost 6 years ago i had like the 4650u Ryzen, it was weaker than intel 11th in single core , but offered me 6c/12t for cheap

[tribal meteor]

What's preventing you from making it your daily driver?

[hoary schooner]

it runs like 10% of the apps i use and the compatibility layers are ass

[granite peak]

Malware

[devout pasture]

what

[granite peak]

Roseta ?

[agile hill]

Oh I dont doubt it will be snappy as hell right now, But for someone who isnt tech savvy and plans to run their laptop for 5 years it really isnt the best choice

[tribal meteor]

I'm just going to block you and not interact with you any further.

[granite peak]

Justified action ngl

[tribal meteor]

What apps do you use that won't run it?

This is why I'm still hybrid between MacOS and Windows.

[devout pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-18338667365126853250

[agile hill]

The 256 gigs will fill up pretty quick and the 8gb will definitely start to take a toll as everything becomes more and more unoptimised

[tribal meteor]

[granite peak]

Bro is tryna justify 8gb in 2026

[devout pasture]

I literally didnt

[granite peak]

Not you

[devout pasture]

oh him bruh

[hoary schooner]

i use linux windows and mac 😭mac for browsing/media, linux for coding/development, windows for gaming

[agile hill]

Its a super capable device but it is not meant to survive for a long time, and unfortunately the average consumer looks for devices that live for a long time and not anything else

[devout pasture]

Its for students so I think 8 gb is managable

[hoary schooner]

technically ig im just hybrid between linux and mac bc my windows is a vm on linux

[tribal meteor]

My M4 Max and M5 Max hsa 128GB of memory -- the M4 Max has 4TB of storage, the M4 Max has 8TB.

[hoary schooner]

8gb on windows is terrible in 2026 8gb on macos tho is great still

[granite peak]

Idk dude
Im just mad
They put a good soc
With 8gb
Like yeah for students its fine

[granite peak]

For web browsing yeah

[tribal meteor]

Windows bloatware is infused into their OS.

[hoary schooner]

for anything that’s not video rendering 8gb is fine on macos and you’ll never throttle

[devout pasture]

thats a point too

[granite peak]

I use debian and have like 1.1gb ram usage

[devout pasture]

its almost like having 12 on windows

[agile hill]

holy hell that must have run you a pretty penny

[hoary schooner]

i have an 8gb macbook it’s great

[hoary schooner]

it’s more like 16 iirc

[granite peak]

I usually hit like 23gb-28gb usage of average excluding system

[devout pasture]

damn

[granite peak]

Yeah

[agile hill]

This is honestly one of the narratives I hate the most. 8gb on any OS in 2026 is bad

[hoary schooner]

when i run my windows vm i constantly eat at least 20+ gigs lmao

[devout pasture]

could be , I havent used an 8 gig mac though . just based on vibes 😭

[tribal meteor]

I can’t show you my receipt cause it has my tax exemption on it and everything, but here

[agile hill]

I speak as someone who just recently upgraded from 8gb to 16gb on a 6 year old HP pavillion that I still run windows 10 on

[hoary schooner]

8gb is completely fine on macOS. anything to show otherwise? ur against a large opinion based on data lol

[agile hill]

LMAO

[hoary schooner]

macOS doesn’t use ram like windows

[devout pasture]

yeah

[agile hill]

The question is what do you refer to as fine? It might be snappy but if its using swap liberally then I dont think thats okay

[devout pasture]

like windows is using 6 gigs just idling

[granite peak]

I have like android studio, react in background , vs code , whatever dude
And like many ... Many browser tabs
Android studio is a memory hog ngl
And i basically close nothing

[devout pasture]

and it would use more if had more bruh

[granite peak]

True

[agile hill]

Not gonna lie that might be a bloatware issue

[hoary schooner]

android studio is SUCH a mem hog. i used to run it on my mac

[hoary schooner]

yeah it’s windows they go hand in hand

[tribal meteor]

A scope of what I do:

[hoary schooner]

if u remove the bloat u fuck up ur OS it’s terrible

[devout pasture]

so , just a windows issue ?

[tribal meteor]

Yes and they slow it down even more with their AI shit

[granite peak]

Dude imagine my debian consumes from
800-1.1gb idle
And i hit almost 30gb xd

[agile hill]

Even with old installs, I'm on 4.5gb idle for windows 11 and 2.5 gigs idle for windows 10

[devout pasture]

oh yeah , there is also this copilot button now

[hoary schooner]

i think cachy and arch use around the same iirc just a little less but about the same

[granite peak]

Im on kde

[hoary schooner]

yh i kinda assumed i am too

[devout pasture]

it should have been quick action , instead of copilot

[granite peak]

Debian just never breaks ngl , been 8 months since i use it

[hoary schooner]

i’ve had really weird sudo prompt issues on cachyos

[devout pasture]

does someone know if we can program the copilot key to do something else?

[hoary schooner]

i’m also fucking with my OS and the kernel but idk

[granite peak]

Depends

[granite peak]

Dude how is cachy ?

I mean the last arch based I've tried was manjaro and it was a disaster

[hoary schooner]

best linux distro i’ve ever used, i love arch and this is just arch but with steroids

[granite peak]

Wow

[hoary schooner]

mogs any debian distro i’ve used

[agile hill]

Hey man, 11 is shit but I feel like tahoe is definitely worse

[devout pasture]

I want to learn to use linux soooooooooo bad but , I do not have the time

[agile hill]

I'm hanging on to my windows 10 esus for dear life

[hoary schooner]

it doesn’t take time man idk why people say this 😭 just download it, you’ll adjust really quick

[devout pasture]

tahoe has bloatware?

[granite peak]

Well i agree
Arch and opensuse slightly pass debian

But debian never breaks

[agile hill]

I will update to 11 the day that 10 support runs out and not one day ebfore

[agile hill]

No no I meant in general user experience

[devout pasture]

people talk about reliablity a lot

oh

[granite peak]

It did....

[agile hill]

Macos is definitely the better system in terms of bloatware installed by default

[agile hill]

Nope!

[hoary schooner]

yeah who’s gonna tell him

[devout pasture]

I mean

[granite peak]

Fair enough

[agile hill]

ESUs till october 25th 2026

[granite peak]

Oh

[tribal meteor]

Idiot

Anyways

[hoary schooner]

oh i’m slow lmao i mean technically u have support until 2029

if u wanna pay

[agile hill]

Hold up what now

I would honestly

[devout pasture]

pay nah

[tribal meteor]

How do you guys not know this?

[tribal meteor]

I would.
Imagine not paying.

[hoary schooner]

FREE support ends. paid goes on for three years. u didn’t know that?

[agile hill]

I mean no I wouldnt but like i really do prefer 10 over 11 by far

[granite peak]

Imagine closed source software

[devout pasture]

fewer people use 10 now , and all laptops come with 11 sooo

its really rare knowlege

[hoary schooner]

it’s 2026 tho i genuinely just think everyone should be on linux with a stripped down win 11 vm, its so much cleaner and u can get it down to 0% usage with no bloat lmao. i don’t understand why you’d use win10 atp

ghost specter + chris titus ftw

[agile hill]

Honestly man, for someone whose entire workflow can be run in a browser, My OS really doesnt matter to me enough to pay a premium to keep 10 around

[granite peak]

Dude , fl studio and daws emulated on linux sound like ass

[devout pasture]

I am thinking of doing this

[hoary schooner]

wdym

[devout pasture]

how

[granite peak]

Literraly

[devout pasture]

would it in a vm though

[granite peak]

Like , the delay is criminal

[devout pasture]

idk thats why I am asking

[hoary schooner]

if u run it on the windows vm it’ll run the exact same as if u were running it as windows being ur host os lol, it doesn’t fuck with the speed of ur hardware

i play competitive shooters on my vm

[granite peak]

Ive run it on wine , winboat and bottles
Its bs audio wise

[hoary schooner]

yeah cuz ur running it on linux with a translation layer

[devout pasture]

what do you play

[granite peak]

Ah

[hoary schooner]

valorant and faceit

[granite peak]

Ur damn right

[hoary schooner]

which is TERRIBLE. run it on a vm and it’ll run amazing

[granite peak]

But it runs slow on vm 😭

[devout pasture]

ic , is valo , easier to run than cs2 rn?

[granite peak]

Or maybe my pc is ass

[hoary schooner]

yeah idk u gotta configure ur vm better its def not cuz of ur pc

it should run almost identical or identical to how it’d run if windows was ur host os

[hoary schooner]

wdym by easier

[granite peak]

Mostly audio delay problems ngl

[devout pasture]

cuz I am playing cs source rn 😭

[devout pasture]

like is it lighter

[hoary schooner]

yeah i def don’t have that, my audio queues are great

[devout pasture]

for the pc to run

[hoary schooner]

most definitely not, they’re both around the same but it’s a pretty well known fact that cs2 will run on a shitter pc

[granite peak]

I just have windows on my main rig ngl

Debian on my thinkpad

[agile hill]

Not for home licenses :(

Only enterprise

[devout pasture]

it ran on mine but it would lag when I would respawn

[granite peak]

And macos on this stupid mac i barely use

It works fine tho

[devout pasture]

playing roblox cs2 copy for now 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[hoary schooner]

i’ve noticed some insane performance drops on val in the last year lmao they’ve been frying the game

[granite peak]

Arsenal ?

[devout pasture]

bloxstrike

[agile hill]

Also speaking of macos

[granite peak]

That's more niche

[hoary schooner]

i used to get 900fps (a year ish ago) now i get 600 and i know it’s not because of my pc or anything cuz other people’s performance went down too

[agile hill]

I will never understand why i cant rightclick and uninstall something

[hoary schooner]

u can’t do that on linux either, or windows

well actually maybe some cool linux distros have that

[devout pasture]

like look at this bruh

[granite peak]

Ayo ik ts game

😭

[devout pasture]

I am getting a gambling addiction i believe

cases bruh

[hoary schooner]

roblox unironically started my gambling addiction

[granite peak]

Man i cant send pics yet nice

Anyways

[pallid falcon]

Connect a forums account to send photos

[granite peak]

I found a new niche market

The refurb sub 500 sd elite ultrabrooks

Great chips with bs software compatibility

[granite peak]

Might try this

[hoary schooner]

can it run linux

if it runs linux it’s useful

[granite peak]

No , yes
But it does
But software ? Meh

I wont recommend it

[hoary schooner]

actually meh too much work

[granite peak]

Yeah

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_benchmark-cinebench_2024_single_core

[hoary schooner]

i got debian on my enterprise chromebook lmao i wanna try arch or cachyos next

[granite peak]

Snapdragon beating desktop intel 😭

In single core*

[hoary schooner]

apple needs to stop being greedy with their chips

[granite peak]

Yeah

[agile hill]

I can in the start menu, regardless I do dislike the dragging to the bin concept

[granite peak]

I press delete

[granite peak]

What de ?

[hoary schooner]

https://arewewaylandyet.com

the fact that someone’s hosting this site made me chuckle

[wind phoenix]

Not even up to date

[hoary schooner]

i barely read it tbh

[wind phoenix]

The Wayland color management protocol got merged months ago

[hoary schooner]

was looking around for asahi alternatives and saw that😭

[fossil frost]

people shitting on the wayland project for having the ability and urge to try and make the linux desktop better are terrible people, and are the same people who cry about microsoft and ask why more people dont use linux as a desktop... wayland is one of the best things to happen to linux recently.. its DRASTICALLY improved the desktop experience, its not perfect, but X was FAAAARRRR from perfect too... and wayland coming along and providing some competition has lead to X getting better, and even a fork of X to merge some major changes that the original X project wont merge for their own internal political reasons... rather than crying or making fun of wayland.. be happy that it exists and has pushed linux desktop on by YEARS on its own

[hoary schooner]

is your mailing list supposed to be non pw protected on puffer.fish lmao

[wind phoenix]

• display link got fixed on wlroots in 2024

[wind phoenix]

Some of the lists are public, yea

[hoary schooner]

5 emails on there public including a discord bot js didn’t know if it was a mistake or not

[wind phoenix]

I know my mailman config dw

They are public but the archives are restricted when needed

[hoary schooner]

not sure how i’ve never seen mailman before this looks cool to use

[wind phoenix]

Mailman is widely used

I have openldap for managing the accounts on puffer.fish

But freeIpa and kerberos+ cas for my personal domain

[hoary schooner]

i just don’t run any domains cuz i don’t wanna forward a port / setup ddos protection / pay for hosting or ddos protection

i really cba

[wind phoenix]

Mailman is basically the system forwarding mails, handling subscriptions and stuff, hyper kitty is for archives

[hoary schooner]

i have no reason for a site anyway

[wind phoenix]

Puffer.fish is a group of friends, I mainly handle the sysadmin stuff

This all runs in a cheap vps

No Cloudflare because it's against our values

Even the dns authoritative server ia hosted by us

[hoary schooner]

sounds.. exploitable?

[wind phoenix]

How so?

DDoS handling is up to the hosting provider

[hoary schooner]

i mean i’m sure your own systems aren’t foolproof while cloudflares are tried and tested would u mind telling me what part of them violates yalls values?

ah ig i just misunderstood

what u meant

[wind phoenix]

We don't like Cloudflare acting as a massive man in the middle and reading all communication

Because that's what it is

[hoary schooner]

governments are quite literally cut into the internet lines. all ur communication gets read along the line somewhere

i do understand though

[wind phoenix]

Ahahahaah

That's literally false

[hoary schooner]

just providing a counterpoint even though id do the same lol

[fossil frost]

you genuinely dont understand how this stuff works, stop talking

[wind phoenix]

Tls exists, but Cloudflare acts as a man in the middle deciphering all requests

Tls=> https

[hoary schooner]

do u think im like imagining them with scissors and a computer hooked up to the stray wires with a big ass cord next to them 🤣

[fossil frost]

no, i think that you think its as simple as just scooping up traffic, and its just readable... its not

TLS prevents that. and almost all web traffic is TLS now, and much of the internet traffic that isnt the web, is also TLS now too.. very little of the internet is plain text

[hoary schooner]

i’m not, but data’s data even if it’s not immediately readable. id rather them not have it at all idk abt u

[wind phoenix]

Traffic is readable up to layer4 (osi) and gets "encrypted" into layer l5+

[fossil frost]

you dont have a choice, they own the infrastructure in many cases

[hoary schooner]

yeah ig im mainly talking about a perfect fairytale land where everyone’s actually secure rn

lmao

[fossil frost]

that only exists inside peoples imagination

[hoary schooner]

still tho if the world was perfect i’d rather them not have it at all. tis or not

k i can’t type i give up ykwim my autocorrects bugging

[fossil frost]

in a perfect world ,we wouldnt need encryption, the fact that we do, means the world isnt perfect

[hoary schooner]

anyway MY POINT EARLIER was all your information gets scooped up. not sure why you’d care if cloudflare gets it

[wind phoenix]

Well even without wire tapping, you would need cryptography to assert that you're talking to the right person

[wind phoenix]

Alright this is leading nowhere

[fossil frost]

i get to sleep with my wife, thats 1 person sleeping with my wife... id rather everyone else wasnt doing it too, id like to minimise the number of people sleeping with my wife to just me

[hoary schooner]

like i do understand it bc i do the same shi but looking at it from an outside perspective it’s just paranoid

they’re not doing anything with it and other entities are getting it too

[fossil frost]

i dont have a choice in the government having my data, i would like to minimise the number of people who do have it to just me and the government

[hoary schooner]

minimizing is nice but does it even matter at the end of the day

[wind phoenix]

No it's not. Cloudflare can read your password in https requests in PLAIN TEXT for example

[agile hill]

I knew the government was fucking people over I didnt know it was this literal

[wind phoenix]

No ONE should be able to read in PLAIN TEXT apart from the client and server

[hoary schooner]

that’s absurd

[wind phoenix]

That's what's happening because the inspect the traffic themselves

Handle your dns and thus request certificates for it

Use it on their servers l

And forward it to you

[fossil frost]

not always, it depends on how everything is set up. if its full https end to end, with external certificates, then CF cant see shit

[devout pasture]

ello

[hoary schooner]

the data cloudflare receives should be encrypted before cloudflares involved.. no?

[wind phoenix]

No https end to end means that they use https to reach you, they can still view it

Because they need it for their waf solution to work

[hoary schooner]

but the lava lamps man!!! the lava lamps!!!

[wind phoenix]

It is, decrypted in Cloudflare and sent to you

[hoary schooner]

strongest encryption in the world!!!!!!!

[devout pasture]

If arm is getting better on windows , I might get an arm pc

[fossil frost]

its a good job i specifically set up the software i build to authenticate via PSK instead of transmitting the password 🙂

[hoary schooner]

i just want m5 to work for linux bru

asahis cooked p sure

[devout pasture]

bruh

[wind phoenix]

PSK is literally a password but sure... You can use hashes for it

[wind phoenix]

Asahi doesn't work for m5 yet.

[hoary schooner]

im pretty sure it does but i didnt even plan on using asahi

[wind phoenix]

Read the documentation. It's on the main page of the website.

[hoary schooner]

i was just on their website and i coulda swore it said they do

[fossil frost]

single use PSK, all hashed

[fossil frost]

lead dev has left the project too

[wind phoenix]

All good then! It's similar to Kerberos then

[hoary schooner]

nvm i’m buggin still tho idc ab asahi

didn’t plan on using it

need an actual viable option. like apple to grow a pair and add support

[wind phoenix]

"Bro", you can't blame Asahi for not working on something that isn't supported

[hoary schooner]

when did i blame asahi i literally said i don’t care about it like three times 😭the projects dead

[wind phoenix]

Not really

There are still patches being sent and work being done

[hoary schooner]

minor ones

i doubt we’ll see any major changes likely just this slow pace and then a slow shutdown of the project

i’m sure forks will be made and someone will relaunch with popularity though

[wind phoenix]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Apple-M3-Linux-Boot-To-KDE

To me that's major progress

[hoary schooner]

that’s an article from two months ago

[wind phoenix]

And? Two months ago is recent considering this is a "free time" hobbyist projet.

[hoary schooner]

idk i really just don’t think it’s gonna go far, id love for it too, i just don’t have much hope

[wind phoenix]

Your opinion, not mine.

[hoary schooner]

🤷‍♂️for now i need to find a dif option anyway cuz asahi doesn’t work for m5

might get source and see what can be done if all else fails

[wind phoenix]

You're a kernel developer now?

[hoary schooner]

that’s pretty much all i’ve been doing on linux for the last month

u have to fuck with ur kernel to get kernel level ac’s to run in windows vms

[wind phoenix]

Working on kvm or qemu?

[hoary schooner]

yeah js thru the VMM lmao it’s lowk funny asl u can get this far with such base shit

[wind phoenix]

I can't understand what you're saying lmao (I'm french so yeah)

[hoary schooner]

yeah i’m just doing stuff through the base Virtual Machine Manager lol, it’s actually really funny you can get this far with such commonly used applications

i’m having trouble passing through my pci usb rn, i don’t wanna pass thru individual devices but if i pass the entire controller thru i need to map it and i dont have the ram for that

[wind phoenix]

Oh so libvirtd, that's not kernel development tho

[hoary schooner]

not normally, but to get your Virtual Machine to look like baremetal, you have to.

[wind phoenix]

You just have to get your iommu groups working correctly and passthrough it

[hoary schooner]

That’s not all you have to do. That’s the last and most simple thing you do.

[wind phoenix]

No. You can change that in the xml

[hoary schooner]

you can’t pass through your MSR’s with XML, it just doesn’t make any sense

or get Hyper V Artifacts to not have a seizure (which includes passing thru MSR’s but a LOT of other shit.)

[wind phoenix]

So then you're working on kvm

[hoary schooner]

yeah

libvirtd for gpu passthru but if that’s all i did no anti cheats would run

[wind phoenix]

🤷‍♂️

I don't see the value in ACs so I just don't play games that need them

[hoary schooner]

All good multiplayer games have an AC so setting up this VM was a requirement for me

[wind phoenix]

Like it's not my switch emulator/ds emulator that's going to require ACs

[hoary schooner]

i play competitive shooters like valorant (it’s a terrible game but it’s so competitive) and faceit so i kinda need it

[wind phoenix]

"good multiplayer games" no, no, no, good competitive multiplayer games

I don't play competitive games so I don't have this issue, not my kind of game

[fossil frost]

dual boot is a much simplier and much more robust setup... cheapo 512gb secondary drive that gets booted once every few weeks when my kids want me to jump on fortnite with them

[hoary schooner]

couldn’t agree with ya more. i’m also using this as a way to read memory for windows applications on linux. if i didn’t care about that, id def just dual boot.

i probably will go back to dualbooting eventually

[hoary schooner]

they’re all i play, i can’t find anything else entertaining. if i play a game thats not competitive, i find myself thinking its pointless and getting off no matter how fun it is. kinda weird cuz i rlly used to love solo games, now it just feels like im kind of wasting time lol

[fossil frost]

couldnt imagine anything worse than needing other people to have fun 😄

[hoary schooner]

yesh idk when i’m alone i kind of just want to be productive, tinkering is my idea of fun bc i learn stuff i can use later from it, not sitting on a game that won’t bring me much. competitive games let me bond with friends and compete for a goal i can share with other people though, so i guess that’s the difference? i really can’t put my finger on it lol.

[fossil frost]

tinkering is fun... winding down and not giving a shit about anything else at all... is also fun

constantly trying to be productive all the time without any sort of rest, is how you burn out

[hoary schooner]

when i burn out i usually js change niches within tech

going back to game dev once i get bored messing with linux

[fossil frost]

you are gonna end up in hospital 🙂

[hoary schooner]

been doin it 11 years already😭hopefully it don’t get me anytime soon

[fossil frost]

ive been doing it for 22 years... im telling you from experience

[hoary schooner]

u mean from stress?

[fossil frost]

no, from your brain just going "fuck this, im done, i just cant" and just shutting you down, and plunging you into a deep depression... constantly chasing a goal all the time that you never actually get to, and training your brain that it should always be chasing something all the time, but never actually getting the reward for the catch

[hoary schooner]

my pursuit is knowledge, everytime i sit down on my computer im rewarded. do you think i could be seeing things the wrong way?

i don’t care much for a specific goal other than being versed in most of not all sections of electronics

[fossil frost]

you do whatever you want, your own way.. im just pointing out that there are bad times ahead of you

[hoary schooner]

ik im tryna take ur advice, was just curious if you thought that changed anything or if you thought this inevitable doom is still coming for me lol

[wind phoenix]

Imagine needing KPIs to feel productive...

Just chilling is sometimes worth more than working

[fossil frost]

i stopped caring about side projects and chasing knowledge for the sake of it. and started chasing other goals, doing other things.. and sometimes... just doing nothing... relaxing is very productive, because it refreshes you and gets you ready to do something bigger and better

side projects are now for if i actually NEED to do something, or find something genuinely interesting above the threshold of "i just want to know"

[hoary schooner]

i use stress relief i’m not sure im allowed to talk about in this server, its legal in california. kinda makes me feel like im chilling and being productive at the same time

[fossil frost]

sometimes i relax by sitting in front of the TV and playing through a game that doesnt matter.. like assassins creed.. just exploring.. sometimes i relax by going on a 20 mile run..

[wind phoenix]

Bruh

[hoary schooner]

the run i understand, but sitting in front a game that doesn’t matter would just make me feel like im wasting valuable time of my life that im only given once

[fossil frost]

that isnt stress relief, its stress masking.. the stress is still there, you just hid it behind a curtain

[hoary schooner]

it most definitely goes away for a while, relief is just temporary, it’s not a stress “cure”.

[fossil frost]

not time wasted.. its time spent resetting my brain.. your brain CANT be always going all the time, it will fuck you over if you try... you are being less productive, because you are trying to always be productive

in running, its taught as "go faster, by slowing down"

[wind phoenix]

Overworking yourself will 100% of the time lead you to health problems (like I did four years ago)

[fossil frost]

try to run a marathon at 100%, you will be dead by 10km... and then reset, and then 5km later.. and then 5km later again.. and then either drop out, or walk the rest of the way... much slower time than if you just ran at 75% and didnt burn out... 75% is slower than 100%, but because you can maintain 75% constantly.. its faster over all

[devout pasture]

as a kid I didnt understand why pilots pull back the throttle after takeoff and not go 100% all the way. kind of a similar concept

[fossil frost]

yep, just wasting fuel for very little return

[graceful mortar]

When Bluetooth runs out of bandwidth... 😭 Can't figure out a way to solve it.

[rough socket]

Which bluetooth version ?

[graceful mortar]

search for used servers, or at least used servermotherboards with ram and CPU included

[hoary schooner]

doubt i can get ram that’s high enough speed and good enough timing no?

still gaming on it

[graceful mortar]

a19 next year IF they hold price will be THE one. hoping for 50KWH batter so you can legit do 2-3 days of work ona charge (A19 pro is 12GB)

[graceful mortar]

twin, but i had to go 14 for portability. hope they fix the max issues (assuming its not by design) soon

[graceful mortar]

15 chrome tabs and you are hitting swap.

[graceful mortar]

idk what i woudl do with 8GB, espically when how easy it is to kill the non fan mac ssds from heat,

[graceful mortar]

to a point, 32gb is okay, 64 GB windows never gets that agressive

[hoary schooner]

i have more than 15 chrome tabs open, vscode, facetime, and i’m gambling on one of the chrome tabs, i have 0 lag. i don’t rlly care if im hitting swap. i was saying it was fine for someone not using the machine heavy, unlike windows.

even if ur using windows lightly 8gb is still bad. on macos 8gb is fine for light usage. that was my point, i personally wouldn’t daily drive an 8gb mac

[graceful mortar]

ahh, yeah swap kills the cheap SSD Apple uses.

[graceful mortar]

not if you use PCIE5 ssd and let it page it agressively.

[hoary schooner]

i’m sure someone that can only get 8gb of ram has a pcie5 ssd

well actually nowadays that might be realistic 😭

[hoary schooner]

^ interested in this i started looking

only rlly seeing ddr3 and ddr4 tho not sure who the hell uses ddr5 for a server

[graceful mortar]

The transmission device is the onn 4k plus, I can't find the manual to check BT edition

Here is it in action

[graceful mortar]

All new builds.

[graceful mortar]

Grab an old ddr4 server. The timing won't be amazing, but you'll have your capacity. Ram is currently $10/GB for reasonable timed kits.

[hoary schooner]

still using it for gaming 😭 might have to settle for 64 for now ig

[graceful mortar]

128GB kits are notoriously hard to get to run at rated timings

Usually you have to settle for JDEC

[hoary schooner]

wanted to run at 5600

[graceful mortar]

Which is what the vast majority of server ram is gonna run at anyways

[hoary schooner]

didn’t care for more than that

[graceful mortar]

Ddr5 JDEC right there.

I would seriously just get a server with DDR4, hell even a workstation. It won't matter THAT much, and when you realize that you're savings can almost buy you a 5070 TI all the sudden that little bit of extra performance from DDr5 ram starts to not matter

Seems to happen with both keyboards

The only way I know to "fix" it, but once the keyboard sleeps it will do it again 😭

.if they sold this here (US)... Well it would fall apart 🤣 but also... 9,921 lbs is more than all non special package 1/2 tons, but in a ranger 🤔. Idk if the engine can stay cool running 75-85 MPH pulling 10k-ish in Texas. I don't think 245HP can do that. I know that engine was a turd in f150

[solid shore]

hi

[rough socket]

Why would people tow 4.5 tons

[tired glade]

Because Ford said - they want

[graceful mortar]

Because that's what they weigh

[tired glade]

Is that a trailer house?

[strange elk]

That space for liquid propane sure looks like a hitch to me

[summer folio]

The Neo is just the Windows laptops with fanless M3/M5/M7 Intel CPUs.
Asus Zenbooks & so on. Been done 10 years ago already.

+You didn't have to use Apple OS with those. Win/Win

[echo path]

It’s more about the transmission staying cool than the engine

[sleek tulip]

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[echo path]

Atp tho just get a normal f150

Even 2.7l can do more than that i think

[graceful mortar]

Ya, if the OEM says 4.5 tons, that means 4.5 tons at 45 MPh in 125F at 4,500 ft elevation on a 7% grade for 13 miles straight, AC on full cold OUTSIDE air. Speed cannot drop below 45, cannot throw any warnings for the driver, cannot loose any coolant.

[graceful mortar]

Nope max towing on 2.7 is 8,000

[echo path]

Well the 3.5 then ig

[graceful mortar]

Yep it can do a full 1,000 lbs more than the ranger, the ranger will get 13MPG at 70. The 3.5 will get 5MPG.

[echo path]

Well if ur doing lots of towing that makes it the obv choice

[graceful mortar]

I think the point is how much narrier the ranger is, so you can park it without coming out to bangs and scratches because you don't really fit in the space. Oh and parking garages.

[echo path]

The only thing we tow is the occasional 6000lbs camper

[graceful mortar]

Ranger is the size of 2008 F150

[echo path]

Plus I believe it’s also cheaper than the 3.5?

Over here at least the base f150 is 70k cad

Glad I got mine before

[graceful mortar]

Well we got the 3.0 Land Rover diesel in the F-150. And it didn't really go well for Ford... Because even though that was a very lightweight F-150 generation that ancient engine didn't make enough power for American roads.

After 3 years Ford suspended all production because their come back rate on warranty was approaching 10% for engine failure 👀.

Now we have the 2.3 cylinder which is the base rotating assembly of the 2.3 mustang performance pack with the torque cam and heads.

[echo path]

Damn I didn’t know that

[graceful mortar]

And the monster "that thing got a hemi" 2.7 V6 (witches the only engine that you should even consider in the entire midsize class)

and the "you sure You remembered to hit the pedal to the floor when the light went green because in my mirror you just kept getting smaller" 3.0 Raptor, which is insane in ALL the right ways.

Those are the 3 US Rangers engine choices. Not a single bad one.

V6 solves everyone's biggest complaint with the midsize trucks which is that they simply don't make enough power for how fat they are, and how much fuel they guzzle.
They legitimately weigh what early 2000s half tons did, But most of them make less torque and all of them make less horsepower...

F-150 2.7 is my favorite EcoBoost. The problem is it gets worse fuel mileage than the coyote and I would just rather have a V8 at that point.

The 3.0 Duramax is the final half ton diesel available in in the US. It's only $900 upgrade over the 5.3 but it gets 8-10 MPG better everywhere.

I owned the first generation, second generation that came back with steel pistons and did literally what my feedback was to them 10% more power and make 3.73 available in more than just one weird order only package.

I don't think there is a better vehicle offered for sale in America. Nothing else has the bandwidth of capabilities.

[echo path]

Rs

[fast arrow]

guagaugauga

[solemn goblet]

Got 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep a couple days ago

Legitimately the best sleep I’ve gotten in years. Sleep is so important. Especially after working out.

[fossil frost]

night before a race, ive struggled to get to sleep until around 3am.. then im back up at 5am to get to the starting pen for 6am, to start the race at 7am... fun times racing ironman 😄

[solemn goblet]

Increasing my blood iron levels undoubtedly helped my sleep

My legs are much less restless at like 12 AM.

Although I do need to fix my sleep hygiene like going to bed earlier and just being more consistent.

[barren anvil]

Hi everyone

[tribal meteor]

What issues are you seeing with your unit?
Perhaps you're having issues with the actual hardware itself that you might need to take up to your local Apple Store and speak to the Genius Bar?
I only say this because I've heard of people having issues with the Max chips lately.

[tribal meteor]

Windows is bad. Therefore I try to disassociate with it now.

[long briar]

Well they don't exist anymore. Oh what I'd give for a new ux305

[fossil frost]

urgh.. ive written web authentication code for 20odd years now.. i still hate it, and still see it as mostly magic... :S

(writing the auth api for a project for a friend right now, the worst part of any project)

[graceful mortar]

It literally slower than my M4 pro. At first I thought it was just me feeling like it was slower.... But no. Technically yes under synthetic load it is still slightly faster... But just slightly...

[graceful mortar]

in low power i get 12 e-cores that are just fed a bit more power, and 1.3-ish Super cores.
vs the 4 e-cores and 8 P-cores i am used to

this is why my m5 max preforms 60% worse than my reject pile M4 pro does.
ironnically this is teh exact reason i wanted a m4 max, not a m5 max

[winged spire]

https://fxtwitter.com/nasa/status/2035698511996486121?s=46

NASA (@NASA)

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First launch off the newly repaired pad leads to them having to manually dock

The manual docking is literally just KSP

[graceful mortar]

These mid cores, they smell weird if you know what I mean. The numbers indicate that Apple may have been...... Optimistic... With some of their statements

[graceful mortar]

I could take it into genius but the fact of the matter is.. now that I see in a news report that is known to be inconsistent... the response that I may get is oh there's a fix coming....

The problem is if I find the fix unsatisfactory later I do not have the option of getting all of my money back....

But at the same time i need a stronger computer than my M4 Pro... And unfortunately my M4 Pro was one of the ones built with the terrible MBA keyboard as well... And nano display is where I need to be.

I thought it was just apple head really bad auto brightness but I realized that every day I'm sitting there trying to turn up the brightness and it doesn't go any higher whereas the nano texture I never had to touch it and I never took over half which is 30% power consumed of the screen compared to full brightness.

[echo path]

For me the retina XDR display is more than good enough

[alpine gale]

Sounds like your options are

1. Contact apple & tell them to fix their laptop
2. Buy something that better meets your needs

[floral estuary]

Will forza horizon 6 be playable on max settings 4k with an 5070 ti?

[elfin ravine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hello-up-hi-DHYNyjAqrqkzm

[fossil frost]

why are people so lazy that they cant be arsed to type their question into a search engine, and expect other people to do that for them

tbh, i could type that question into google too, and get a scientific paper about how incredibly lazy people are now

[acoustic zenith]

ok

[floral estuary]

yh i searched it up it says 1440p i know but will 4k be dramatic u think?

[tired glade]

Is that 4k 120fps?

[floral estuary]

thats not what im asking

nvm

[fossil frost]

A follow up to the afroman court case... He dropped this the night before the trial... https://youtu.be/HM8Ee6pcXvQ?si=AsFuLldbe0OtNsTO genuinely amazing 😁

Also, he wore that suit to court

[faint yoke]

I think one of the reasons for this is the enshitification of search results and AI answers being wrong. People want to know that a human is giving them info

[ionic abyss]

would it be worth trying goodwill for ddr5

lol i saw a listing for 16gb of ddr 5200 for $50 usd

ddr5*

[fossil frost]

it was happening long before AI answers

people are just lazy now.. they wont do anything for themselves

its easier to just ask the question and be spoon fed the answer than it is to actually learn something

learned helplessness

[ionic abyss]

hmmm

[winged spire]

violating flag code smh

[fossil frost]

touch it, and let us know

lick it.. always lick it

[slow vine]

what

[fossil frost]

i stand by what i said

[slow vine]

What context could possibly save you here

[echo path]

Fr

[fossil frost]

the thing i suggested they licked.. was large..

[echo path]

💀

[fossil frost]

it could also give you a tingly feeling

[slow vine]

Anything else you want to say about the thing they should lick?

[slow vine]

This does not help your case

[fossil frost]

they specificially stated it was "going up and down"

[echo path]

Let's hope mods don't see this...

[slow vine]

Just tell me the thing it was

[fossil frost]

high voltage transformer i think 😄

[pallid swift]

Hewwo

[topaz estuary]

embarrassing

[pallid swift]

Why?

[bleak dune]

Go go gadget your now breathing manually

[polar pine]

yikes

[stiff wasp]

It that the free TV

[polar pine]

Yes

It's surprisingly good

I mean it's not great but it's definitely like $500 Roku TV territory

[polar pine]

It's got in Amazon x-ray like technology that even works on copies of content

I mean I'm not surprised, they said that you know it monitors what you watch

But at least I get a free TV out of it so

[pallid falcon]

@vapid smelt

[vapid smelt]

yeeees

[pallid falcon]

[vapid smelt]

i would say way less then $500 tv territory you can get mini leds for that much

[polar pine]

Fuck

How do TVs get so much cheaper every year

I remember when mini LED had a significant premium

[fossil frost]

one of the very few things getting cheaper as time goes on, where everything else is getting FAR more expensive

[vapid smelt]

smh i get no free credit card for doing bestbuys job

[harsh quartz]

Wonder if it’s just an AI that reads the pictures and puts in the info

[harsh quartz]

Probably one of the only consumer industries where there’s enough choice to where they can’t start pushing higher prices yet

[silver sun]

788

[fossil frost]

that choice is getting smaller though, many brands are now the same brand with multiple fake-brands

sony dont make or sell sony TVs anymore

[vapid smelt]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/end-era-next-sony-bravia-123000294.html?guccounter=1 oooh thats why tcl is getting into the oled market

[harsh quartz]

Yeah, and panel makers are fairly condensed too iirc

[fossil frost]

Only about 3 total iirc

[oak berry]

Ello 🫡

[vapid smelt]

https://www.panoxdisplay.com/lcd-oled-manufacturer/ over 13

[snow magnet]

Ello

[echo path]

Ello 🫡

[covert cradle]

Just 4 make the large-scale >55" panels for TVs though. 5 if you consider 46" panels to count. After that it's down to 26"

[pure knot]

hi

[graceful mortar]

The numbers Mason, what do they mean?

[graceful mortar]

$5.90 /gallon btw...
And just in the past hour I realized I made three major mistakes.
#1 I didn't immediately go out and fill up my 110 gallon reserved diesel tank.
#2 This past week I chose to stay at home during my vacation because you know gas prices etc etc ......
Which was stupid and near sighted because The whole reason why the vacation was set for last week (One of the worst travel weeks of the year) was.... the next opportunity that I have for a vacation is December 20th ... 🤦‍♂️

Also unfortunately I'm pretty sure that my Seagate refurbished drives are having issues in my nas that I just spent the last 3 weeks literally transferring data to...

[vapid smelt]

AZ problem

[plush grotto]

im not going to say anything

[rustic tundra]

european fuel prices have raised to around 2.5 euro per liter so youre having it better

considering a gallon is 4l

[plush grotto]

3.7

[plush grotto]

€2,57 at the local pump here today, "$11.26/gal"

[rustic tundra]

and then americans are complaining about their prices

[plush grotto]

thank god for EV's

[rustic tundra]

i prefer hybrids

though mine is far from a hybrid

💔

[plush grotto]

i drive a EV and i charge at work. so its even cheaper for me

[rustic tundra]

i get like 7-10l per 100km

thats i think mixed

[plush grotto]

im at 18.3KWh/100km

[graceful mortar]

what was the price Feb 27th?

[rustic tundra]

i forgot

[graceful mortar]

because % increase is what actually matters not amount

[rustic tundra]

below 2 euros before the increases

[plush grotto]

around $8.7/gal

[rustic tundra]

around that

majority of eu was at like 1.7 average with netherlands as the most expensive at 2.07 i think

i was checking

[graceful mortar]

tomorro(at $6 USD) w we will have seen retail diesel go up 100% in less than 30 days. something that has NEVER happened in recorded history.

[rustic tundra]

diesel is the most expensive in the entire eu

[plush grotto]

we have been forecast 32nok in a week or two.

[rustic tundra]

i wish i owned a hybrid

my next is definitely a hybrid

you wont see me own an ev

not only are car manufacturers realising that evs are actually bad for them and barely benefit anything

[plush grotto]

they are cheap tho

[rustic tundra]

but hybrids just make most sense

[hoary schooner]

thoughts on claude opus? things making very functional very optimized programs for me with no human code intervention just prompts

[rustic tundra]

you get electric torque with power of combustion

one of the quickest cars these days are hybrids

[alpine gale]

I wish the industry didn't jump straight from explodey cars to zappy cars. Honda and Toyota are the only 2 manufacturers who understood the assignment. And I guess Chevy / Nissan sort of / somewhat.

[rustic tundra]

thats why i own a honda and my next is also a honda

[plush grotto]

it was a bit extreme, but if countries did like norway it would be way better

[rustic tundra]

honda and toyota make best hybrids

[graceful mortar]

yeah so it woudl be $17.40/ gallon to match the US price hikes.
reminder we don't have public transport and over 70% or goods by weight relies on Diesel semi trucks. the exposure the cost of diesel has to the country the fuels the global economy is concerning.

[plush grotto]

just because we have public transport doesnt mean its good

and basically all our semi's are diesel

some are bio diesel, wich is more expensive

[rustic tundra]

every semi is diesel

[plush grotto]

a very few number are EV's

[rustic tundra]

you can run that off vegetable oil

[plush grotto]

our local port has 15 EV semi's that they use to transport containers to/from locations

[graceful mortar]

that just not true. assuming they are actully built to last the normal 130,000 miles a modern car is capable of. they are cheaper.

• no exposure to $280/hr labor charges for maintance
• almost no actual maintance
• the power is always created in the most fuel economical way possible.

[rustic tundra]

my preference is still hybrids

[plush grotto]

15 of these driving around.

[graceful mortar]

bad

• eats tires
• no real notice of impending failures
• limited function in natural diasters, though, generators are capable of nullifying that.

[plush grotto]

here is another EV from my area

minimum 62.14 mi fully loaded

[graceful mortar]

because hybrids dont solve the $$ issue, see Prius gen 2. stupidest thing ever, you paid DOUBLE what you would for a ford focus wagon, and you would haev to drive the prius 600,000 city miles to replenish the additional upfront costs in fuel savings.
and you have more maintance, and more components. and more expensive insurance.
only 1 hybrid made sense and that was gen 1 Honda Insight.
now ev's with range extenders (on board power generation) DO make sense.

[alpine gale]

True. They're more expensive, and now you have 2 systems to maintain. The only way hybrids make sense to me is if manufacturer's build them to last and be repairable by the owners without proprietary parts or software, which is unlikely as we live in a capitalist society. 🤷

[graceful mortar]

i did a whole 40 page resourch report on this Jounior year. i remember the highlights.

[plush grotto]

biased or unbiased?

[graceful mortar]

and ICE to drive wheels doesnt really make sense, yes yes highway ... but people spend like 30% or less of their driving at sustained highway speeds. and that has more to do with non optimized electric motors, and chosing to not use a transmission than anything else. there is a reason OG Tesla Roadster was a 2 speed.

[graceful mortar]

purely synethic, then real world as i had access to both through friends,

[alpine gale]

I'd love to replace my SubUwU with an EV model, but there isn't a single EV on the market right now whose dash cluster, infotainment / climate control, transmission control system, or price are acceptable for my needs. 🤷 Then again, I do acknowledge that I am in the minority of people who are a "problem" for most vehicle manufacturers...

[plush grotto]

subawu

[graceful mortar]

voice command. here tchnically it is illegal to touch any non driving control (aka wipers and signals. once the veichicle is in Drive.)

[plush grotto]

my next is either going to be a BYD or XPeng

[graceful mortar]

our distracted driving law is basically "well i felt you were" burden of proof.

now loog at Chevy Volt gen 1. OG design had a range extendeer that only charged the battery, then they added a direct drive clutch to allow the ICE to power the wheels. flawed.

[plush grotto]

or maybe a Nio for the little pet you get.

[vapid smelt]

[alpine gale]

We have similar distracted driving laws, but operating climate controls is still legal here. Voice commands are right out for me, but this applies to all tech for me, not just vehicles. If my tech talks to me, I'm loading the shotgun.

[dusky jacinth]

Personally, I'd rather have a regular ICE Subaru than electric. But theeen I see the interfaces and features, and now I'm just like "... Do I really want to deal with all of that though?"

[graceful mortar]

if you take an engine and remove variable loads(particularly non controlled loads) you can have it operate exclusevly at its peak efficency for fuel AND emission. the moment you physically connect it to the drive train, you lost that ability.

[dusky jacinth]

^And this argument fits my concerns, but in general with most modern cars.

[plush grotto]

👀
this is nice.
but at $85,910.78 its quite steep

[vapid smelt]

Black pleather

Too hot for summer

[vapid smelt]

Ah much better

[graceful mortar]

i would point out today is diffrent, we dont have cars for $6,995. the cheapest is what $14,000?? well you COULD get a 1980's level of standard equipment Maverick for $19,999 and that was a hybrid, that made sense with its 42MPH in real world driving.

oh my god.. the "it not really a good value even at this price" $9,995 Nissian Versa is now ..... $17,390 (BUTTT you do get a manual transmission as standard.)

[vapid smelt]

I prefer cloth seats for car still

[alpine gale]

Monostable shift design. Not even once.

🤢 🤮

[plush grotto]

holy, its a 6 seater

[graceful mortar]

no BMW made coatings 20 years ago that solved that.

[vapid smelt]

So is my sedan

[graceful mortar]

• this is my death trap * fixed it for you

[vapid smelt]

Hey it has driver only side airbags!

Non for passengers

[graceful mortar]

airbangs only help if the body panels dont cuts bits off of you

[plush grotto]

there is even a fridge in it!

[vapid smelt]

My high quality passenger front door

[dusky jacinth]

Well, I don't quite mean like old 80s car equipment, manual trans, that sort. I mean like actually without the extra nonsense stuffed in with every single car now that literally is just there to drive up the extra expense, and we just already outlined the whole distracted driving issues which we have regulations for.

[plush grotto]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitty-tired-12cYyFxlbIgXeg

[graceful mortar]

but yeah EV make the most logical sense IF they last as long as ICE alternatives. they do now, but the market is still scared of them, and rioghtfully so..
to help with charging time concerns add an efficent generator (mazda HCCI). putting in bigger and bigger batteries is STUPID.

then work on density o we can cool them better in a given space with the same KWh capacity so we can charge them at 250KW sustained to 80%

[vapid smelt]

If we could all house charge evs would make sense

[graceful mortar]

next, REAL level 2 charging at places of buisness with plug and charge. Tesla can charge on 277v. which is parking lot lighting voltage, and any place converted to LED has a TON of reserve current capacity.
we dont need massive DCFC infrastructre if you just plug in to AC power whenever you park.

this will require changing to europe l2 charging cable standard. disconnectablke and lockable at both ends

[graceful mortar]

we CAN thats the thing. if everywhere you stopped had a plug you dont actually need 240v charging at home. now ideally you WOULD because liek efficency and 20A 120v outlets are rare for some reason (eah you could 30A 120v, but WHY)

[dusky jacinth]

Sort of? From what I've heard, there are people who got into electric cars and then realized they had upgrade their whole house's electrical setup just to be able to charge their vehicle at home.

[graceful mortar]

120V is ~1% per hour on Model y. but your commerical zone have 240V and higher.

[dusky jacinth]

My guess it just depends on where you live and what your house has. If you don't have the infrastructure already at home, then going electric will have a higher bar of entry because it will not only be the car you will have to invest into.

[graceful mortar]

yes, no ,yes.
yes if they want 9.8KW charging. really only makes sense if you have true "super off peak" power pricing where electric is 20% normal cost per KWh between certain times.
no because they have / had teh option of reconfiguring 2 120V 15A circuits and putting in a 30A 120v plug. which is cheap.
yes, because many homes from 1970's have 100-150 amp panels that were at code limit prior to purchase.

[graceful mortar]

right which was the point of level 2 public charging.

in alaska at least 50% of teh parking lot had plugs for block heaters, do the same thing but with level 2. as adaption/demand increases, work your way closer to teh entrance.

[winged spire]

would love to see you try and pump gas in a poweroutage

gas is gone day 0 and even if they had gas they need electricty to run the pumps

can charge an EV no problem with infrastructure thats totally independent

[graceful mortar]

so because i know tesla can 277v be design (because destination charger) if you put 4 plugs at teh base of a light pole in a parking lot, there is 4 chargig spaces, now will they be 100A each? no, depends on electrical layout of ther lot and wire gauge.

[winged spire]

hybrids are a bandaid for the people that arent fully ready to jump all the way to EV and they will rapidly become irrelevent as EVs continue to fix every argument against them

[graceful mortar]

right, thats why i said itrefueling woudl be resolved with a generator, since you have to haul fuel in anyways when you have infrastructure failue.

[graceful mortar]

wait what? if there is a power outage, you have nothing to charge the EV with.

[winged spire]

generating your own electricty is very easy

[dusky jacinth]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[winged spire]

good luck refining your own gas

[graceful mortar]

yes. raneg extended EV is about the only logcal argument, but it need to be i3 style, no connection to the drive train, engien runs a starter generator exclusevly.

[winged spire]

some of yall have never had to spend 8 hours in a gas line and it shows lol

[graceful mortar]

well ya, but thats also how you woudl get the gas pumps to work too.

[dusky jacinth]

I was literally all like "what's the point in saying this though?? It doesn't help an EV charging argument either because you obviously need power to either run a pump or charge a battery in the first place!"

[winged spire]

gas doesnt magically appear in the station's tanks

[graceful mortar]

oh you haul it in, if you CANT haul it in, your EV working is the leat of your issues.

[winged spire]

brother have you ever experienced a major natural disaster

[graceful mortar]

yes, sadly

we convoy in with the fuel truck

and pre evacuation coties are SUPPOSED to stage fuel trucks along the route. prior to ordering an evac

[long briar]

wait it just occurred to me, did hardwarebob get booted? or just rouing'd?

[dusky jacinth]

And also gets stupid difficult as you scale for something in need of more energy... Like electric car batteries...

Try doing that on a budget and at some point, you're gonna come back to a gas-powered generator because that's THE easiest thing to get a hold of, especially if your house isn't adequate for solar panels and area decides to make it difficult to adopt a solar or wind energy setup. There's a reason why most people don't do stuff like this because they can't afford to or in their situation it becomes more of a headache to get done at least properly.

[dusky jacinth]

You know... I've actually wondered about this for a while now once he I noticed he wasn't here anymore.

Like did he just leave randomly one day without warning?

[winged spire]

he got banned

routing got banned?

didnt realize that, wonder what he said lol

[winged spire]

Natural gas generators are the ideal solution without building out solar, atleast

[graceful mortar]

And also gets stupid difficult as you scale for something in need of more energy... Like electric car batteries...
no, thats flawed way to think of that, thats liek saying im 10lbs over weight might as well go to 600 🤷‍♂️
this is not an EV specif issue, this is gross negligence by all levels of government who, since the interstate program, have failed to invest in infrastructure when rates were low, instead they were handing out tax breaks.... there are 50,000 inspected bridges known to unsafe on the interstate system alone.

[winged spire]

11 MW of solar, 39MWh of storage, 164 stalls

or even this

[dusky jacinth]

That... Is not even the "scale" I'm talking about.
I'm talking about reasonability and accessibility to solutions to make adopting an EV easier, in the case of just anyone wanting to.

[graceful mortar]

its not though, cost per W doesnt make any investment sense. or are you talking about JUST for diaster use?

[oblique valve]

I bought a 5090 today took it out the box and dropped it and the PCIe connectors broke

[graceful mortar]

add level 2 charging to buisness parking lots with plug and charge. design it around giving each car 40A concurrently.

[graceful mortar]

they cost teh same if you only DCFC. assuming you buy an efficent one, like model 3 or ioniq 6, rather than model Y and Inionic 5

[dusky jacinth]

The government will do squat for you wanting to upgrade your own house, especially if you decide to just go all the way and do a top down renovation. That's on you to afford and decide how to approach. The decision for what you should do or get is not their problem when you deal with the obstacles involved. They are only supposed to ensure you're not getting screwed over where it makes sense for them to step in and regulate. Anything further and it turns into a totally different issue entirely that has nothing to do with this subject.

[graceful mortar]

that really sucks, i would say donor PCB, but thats a LOT of work for a shop and labor will be not insiginifant.

[winged spire]

we should take all the money we use to subsidize gas with and use it on paying for people to get solar and EVs lol

[dusky jacinth]

Not everyone lives next to a business parking lot that even has those though, so that becomes purely conditional. I'm also gonna bring back the context I'm working off of:

At-home charging with added challenges involved.

[winged spire]

you can get a 2kw natural gas generator for like 300$

and when there isnt a distaster you just plug into the wall

or if you wanna get fancy you can pay the 3k it costs to install a 240v outlet

and many states offer tax incentives for installing your own home charger

solar too

[vapid smelt]

did you not open it over a table

[dusky jacinth]

Aaaannddd then they won't or it all backfires because even current EVs are not what people expected, are a black box to most us when it comes to troubleshooting our own problems, and they are by design about as bad or worse than cars made so complicated that can't be easily fixed, which adds to THAT problem that already exists with repairing existing cars.

[winged spire]

EVs are many orders of magnitude less complex than gas cars dude

my car has like 7 moving parts

[graceful mortar]

im confused. im saying the public infra wich goverment is the overseeers. has dropped the ball.

i think you are talking about at home EV charging? like i said convert 2 120V15 A to a single 120V 30A for a dedicated 3.6KW connection to your garage charger.
better yet, i presume you have 2 legs, so do a nema 6-30R (?) that way you stay at 30A so no additon expense, but go to 7.2KW and have less efficiency losses as you are now on 240V split phase.

[graceful mortar]

not until we colve the transportation mode issues. iu agree wit hteh premise, but its necessary until they find a solution to that.

[mint sandal]

@winged spire think I might do something

[winged spire]

do what

[graceful mortar]

ahh i was saying ABC. always be charging,
pull up to walmart, plug in, you will be there an hour anyways, heck thats easy 10% recharged at that single stop alone. same with movies, restraunts, etc.
suddenly building a charging network isnt complicated, or expensive.

[mint sandal]

You know that lawsuit of mine found bad faith could see damages tripled so might as well hire an engineering firm lol

[graceful mortar]

i think he is refering to peopke who bought their home without inspecting it and found they were at their service panel max AFTER they chose to buy an EV.

[winged spire]

womp womp 🤷

[vapid smelt]

we should race the first one to change the car headlight wins my car vs yours

[mint sandal]

@winged spire id hire creare to develop cooling for LCVD

[graceful mortar]

not really, just tool gated mostly. excluding programing because copyright (?)

[dusky jacinth]

I mean it really shouldn't be, since for businesses it should be easier to accomplish, though not everybody does it so it just depends on the area. Also, do some still have that one propriety issue where you can only charge certain cars at certain chargers or did they actually, finally do something about it?

[winged spire]

nice

[ionic vine]

Guess I am moving to 1440p finally.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0G8HJSFCM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

Apparently KTC is an OEM?

[mint sandal]

Yeah would be dope to see a multistage reverse turbo brayton cooling system

Think a multistage cryo cooler like that hits temps of 4k

[winged spire]

F or C?

[mint sandal]

-276c

[winged spire]

colder than liquid nitrogen lol

much colder

[mint sandal]

Crazy shit is with using lasers in chemical vapor deposition you can actually keep chamber 4k but heat on substrate could theoretically hit 1350c

[graceful mortar]

that has never been a thing.
the EV will preform diffrently based on what the underlying platform is. on DCFC that was because tesla SC was only for telsa owners, and no tax money was used. Electrify AMerica was VW punishment in the USA. Tesla wanted government money so opened select superchargers to comply with NEVI participation eligibility rules.

as far as AC, 120v and 240v are universally accepted, 277v (again lighting circuit only) is Tesla exclusive IIRC.

level 1 is 120v. level 2 is 240v +, level 3 is DCFC

[mint sandal]

If you have a closed coupled atomizer dispersing argon youd probably be able to produce graphene

[dusky jacinth]

Well it wasn't charging thing from what I heard, it was a physical port related thing.

[winged spire]

NACS is the standard for nearly all north american EVs now

tesla's standard

the port is whatever though, adaptors are like 80$

nearly all EVs can charge at tesla chargers aswell for that matter

[mint sandal]

Would be dope to see someone tackle lithium air

[alpine gale]

Yes, that's what I'm reading too. Hopefully you never need to contact customer support though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1jaekju/how_safe_and_trustworthy_is_ktc/mhm1oh2/

[ionic vine]

I mean heck PC gamer made a review on this particular model
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-monitors/ktc-h27t22c-3-gaming-monitor-review/

[alpine gale]

Review != good product, or a product that will last. I'm not saying don't buy it... but you get what you pay for.

[graceful mortar]

yeah that was teh goverment again being silly. well actually it was tesla CCS is a US goverment standard. it is now all NACS. Cademo ii believe wiil not see an NACS adapter, CCS already have safe ones out. chadmo (japan standard) was Nissian Leaf and a mitibushi model noone bought.

[winged spire]

??????????
brother

[ionic vine]

I'd love to get an OLED, but only if I can magically pull 400 extra CAD out of my brown fluffy ass.

[mint sandal]

@winged spire Mercedes owned company came out with a new ev motor

[alpine gale]

Use dashes instead of unicode bullet characters. Tis an unfortunate side effect of filtering out bot spam.

[winged spire]

• Acura
• Audi
• BMW
• Ford
• General Motors
• Genesis
• Honda
• Hyundai
• JLR
• Kia
• Lucid
• Mercedes
• Nissan
• Polestar
• Porsche
• Rivian
• Stellantis
• Subaru
• Toyota
• Volkswagen
• Volvo

[mint sandal]

Motor weights 28 pounds and hits over 1000 hp

[graceful mortar]

excluding Tesal destination chargers where you may find 277v. you can plug in, but if you onboard charger cant accept 277v it just wont charge.

[winged spire]

these are the cars that work on tesla's network

[winged spire]

sure

[ionic vine]

Well KTC seems to supply monitors to guys like Samsung, LG and Acer and am seeing a lot of posts how people like them, so I should be good.

[alpine gale]

Uhhh.... really. KTC might assemble monitors, but I find it hard to believe they'd make the panels in Samsung or LG monitors. Samsung and LG were 2 of the only manufacturers capable of mass producing panels for the longest time.

[winged spire]

thats insane

konesegg's one was like 70lbs and 800hp

[mint sandal]

Power density of 59 kw/kg

[dusky jacinth]

That doesn't mean it will not be more excuses for a manufacturer to screw you over somewhere. In fact, if it's that much simpler, then it means less overhead cost to them to find ways to make it harder for you to fix if something does go wrong, with the intent of either making you pay far way more to fix anything or end up pushing you into buying a whole new vehicle, regardless of what still works or doesn't in your existing car.

That's the viewpoint people have now, not because they were bad in any real way (save for some that were just built stupid intentionally to begin with), but when things did eventually break, they couldn't just not be forced to throw money out the window on them after already doing so just to gain ownership of one.

[winged spire]

axial flux motors are literally magic

[mint sandal]

Thats what lithium air would be if solved

[graceful mortar]

cooling always concers me.

[mint sandal]

Id use graphene and cnt

[dusky jacinth]

Hmmm... Alright, so at least that's something I can throw into the mental encyclopedia to answer any questions with.

[winged spire]

you can simply say "Im not a fan of EVs"
no need to invent some conspiracy about how EV manufacters are evil and out to get you, especially considering how utterly shit basically every gas car is

[graceful mortar]

u do acknoledge modern cars are deigned to be uneconomical to repair in exchange for lower manufacturing costs right?

[mint sandal]

@winged spire know the theoretical energy density of lithium air

[winged spire]

idk what that is

[mint sandal]

11,000 wh/kg

Fluoride ion battery would also be a good type

[dusky jacinth]

Uuuh no, all the manufacturers can be evil if they wanted to... And most of them have in various ways over the century and half. Not even a conspiracy, it's a known fact in various industries at this point as just part of the dynamics of the capitalistic machine.
We all already have the idea of what they would do if it benefits them. That's why we have low opinions of anyone who stands by/shills a "faceless corporation that doesn't give a damn about you other than your money" because it's already in the statement.

[winged spire]

so its an irrelevent point about EVs because it applies to all manufacturers

[mint sandal]

Asml sure likes to be like that

[dusky jacinth]

Which one or are you just saying in general of all of them?
If the latter, then... Valid.

[mint sandal]

Latter

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, just the same as calling all gas cars crap, as so are evs and hybrids, so where's your point if all them will suck anyway?

[mint sandal]

@dusky jacinth if I became rich id try snd bring them down a peg lol

Would put a multi stage version of this in a closed loop cvd machine lol

[dusky jacinth]

That's the point I'm making.
None of them are good and the last time we had anything even reliable was decades ago... And none of those cars were even EVs to begin with. What we have now sucks and it's generally all of them anyway. So throwing one of them under the bus, to someone like me reading the whole conversation and knowing this, is a stupid argument.

[winged spire]

🙄

[dusky jacinth]

EV isn't really better than gas for various already laid-out reasons and it's already made clear that hybrids are stuck in the middle with only a few of the benefits of both and most of their problems.

[winged spire]

EVs are better than gas.

[mint sandal]

Id probably hire family friend of mine to implement hahaha

[winged spire]

its extremely clear you just dont like EVs and you want to justify this with nonsense

[dusky jacinth]

No, I don't like the state of current cars.

[mint sandal]

Family friend is actually a former ceo

[dusky jacinth]

EVs was an awesome idea even to me and so were hybrids when I learned about them and saw all the movement to bring them into mainstream.

[graceful mortar]

ev's are at least in real world use better than gas in every way i can think of for most drivers

[dusky jacinth]

Now... We're past that introduction and I've come to my conclusion.

They all got worse in some or more ways, and all across the field in gas, electric, and hybridization.

[graceful mortar]

hybrid was stupid when gen 2 Prius launched. Insight was a 60MPG technical flex. gen 1 pruis was a toyota Echo, which no one bought anyways for full price.

[shut lichen]

This is what a lack of education and understanding does to a person

[mint sandal]

@dusky jacinth think having an industrial engineer run a project would be a good move

[graceful mortar]

They all got worse in some or more ways, and all across the field in gas, electric, and hybridization.
explain this staetment. they are safer, more echomical (when you consider ther weight gain). and less maintance.

[graceful mortar]

he was saying that he thought hybrids wer ethe future, i expolained we knew it wasnt as far back as gen 2 Prius. the only "hybrid" that makes sense is a range extender on a EV.

[mint sandal]

Yeah hybrids never were the future just a stopgap lol

If byd comes out with that new battery of theirs its over

[graceful mortar]

one that nevr made sense though. the only early one that made sense was the bespoke 2 seater all alumium Insight. and that was because its whole design was about MPG

[mint sandal]

Think on byd's new battery its rated for 10,000 cycles 450 to 500 kwh

[graceful mortar]

okay, DCFC isnt teh solution to EV adaption.

[mint sandal]

Also solid state battery

Think they're enabling 2200 watt quick charge as well

[graceful mortar]

in North America we need Level 2 public infrastructure. in europe their lowest voltage is 240V

[dusky jacinth]

Electric cars - Higher fire risks (still because they're not there yet with battery tech outside of only a few), built to fail on purpose and in stupider ways to ICE cars, VERY temperamental with different climates, still too expensive long term for most people, usually always designed with every feature that today is now a hazard (massive screens with submenus for everything being a big one) or features that work stupid and no one other than designated technicians are permitted to touch.

Gas cars - Still have engine configs from some major manufacturers that have glaring problems, still complex and for some reason requires extra complexity to be efficient, petrol is still widely used to a point were alternative fuels become an "if" statement even to this day, some of them just have... So many design flaws in even the simplest features, the stupid infotainment and dash software problems was there with them before we got EVs and Nissan still is on the list as my worst offender so far.

Hybrids - Most of them are literally just ICE cars with extra parts and steps by design, they don't really look that much different from either and usually carries very similar flaws as the other, the Prius' somehow are still the only other affordable hybrid car anyone would stand by or trust and there are not very many others we can say the same for, any improvements we get for either electric or gas that get added don't really see any notable improvements unless we talk supercars and hypercars... Because they're kind of the only ones that get anything really noteworthy even worth talking about.

[mint sandal]

Meant 2200 kw charging

[graceful mortar]

DCFC is too expensive, and uneconomical UNLESS there is alwasy a line of cars waiting.

thats teh DCFC issue

oh boy

Higher fire risks
Literally False backed by stats. ever adjusted for % of sales.
built to fail on purpose
ALL modern cars are designed to ONLY last the factory warranty duration.
VERY temperamental with different climates,
not true they start more reliabily in -40F than ICE, and are fine in Dubai.
still too expensive long term for most people,
only because peopel want to trade every 3 years, they are 1/10th the cost per mile. depreciation is the issue.
usually always designed with every feature that today is now a hazard (massive screens with submenus for everything being a big one)
Not a true statement, nor a valid oponion aganist EV as thats ALL cars.

[frail socket]

I forever hope that Mac address comes back

[graceful mortar]

features that work stupid and no one other than designated technicians are permitted to touch.
again thats ALL cars with encryption being patented

Still have engine configs from some major manufacturers that have glaring problems, still complex and for some reason requires extra complexity to be efficient, petrol is still widely used to a point were alternative fuels become an "if" statement even to this day,
again all cars are designed ot only last the warranty duration. idk what you are refering to as "complex" ... yes fuel injection is more precise than manual choke carbs...
some of them just have... So many design flaws in even the simplest features, the stupid infotainment and dash software problems was there with them before we got EVs and Nissan still is on the list as my worst offender so far.
again matter of oponion, BTW design is driven by supplier part availability, which is chosen by actual consumers for what they demang and what they list on surveys for "why feature made you buy RAM over GM and Ford" and they say TV SCREEN ON DASH.

[winged spire]

ill belive it when I see it

stated cycle count is much less impressive then just showign the actual data from the fleet

[mint sandal]

Actually theyre developing two different batteries 10,000 cycle model is out this year

[winged spire]

yeah, ill believe it when batteries start hitting thousands of cycles

[mint sandal]

@winged spire solid state targets 500 kwh and 1000 kilometer range

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, like THAT last part really aged well. Now some us realized that it actually kinda sucks and anyone who designs the UIs for them are being asked to try stuffing too much into one interface and that became a safety hazard as one of multiple proponents for distracted driving. You should NOT be having your eyes on the screen trying to find one thing, especially if you're the driver or even are driving alone.

[mint sandal]

Byd definitely has a better camera system setup then tesla

[dusky jacinth]

Now there's some demand and wishful thinking to go backwards and not have to use touchscreens or really any screen that isn't a radio or segment display.

[graceful mortar]

the Prius' somehow are still the only other affordable hybrid car anyone would stand by or trust
no, Civic is back... and better value.

there is literally nothing else in that section of substance

[dusky jacinth]

In concept, it wasn't a bad idea. In real world practice, using a touchscreen in your car became one.

[winged spire]

love it

my next car will absolutely have a large touchscreen too

[dusky jacinth]

... And I blame it on them not thinking the UI design through carefully enough.

[mint sandal]

3 LiDARs, 3 long-range forward-facing cameras, 5 panoramic cameras, 4 surround-view cameras, 1 driver monitoring camera, 5 millimeter-wave radars, 12 ultrasonic sensors in their gods eye

[graceful mortar]

no its because screens are WAYYYY cheaper than buttons, and you can just remove a feature OTA, vs having to pay 10's of millions to do a recall for a physical switch.
you can chose to not touch the screen. even in Tesla

[dusky jacinth]

To be frank, I've not heard this yet out of anybody whenever talking affordable hybrids, so either this has yet to be covered or it has yet to reach me then... So it has no valid substance until then, I guess.

[mint sandal]

@winged spire almost enough cameras and sensors to be level 4 autonomous

[winged spire]

number of sensors is not a metric to determin autonomy lol

basically entirely unrelated

waymos have gotten better over the years despite losing dozens of sensors

[mint sandal]

Does also have ai

[dusky jacinth]

Well yes, that was the point of it all really. In concept, it was a good idea on two ends.
You can make a functional touchscreen interface to replace any buttons you don't require or could just make digital instead of going through all the effort to tool up a manufacturing line to produce them or work out a deal with a partner who can make them in bulk and trust that they'll actually do it right or at least they way you'd expect.

[alpine gale]

I can also choose not to purchase a vehicle whose controls are unsafe to operate whilst driving, though this might soon mean I won't be driving any vehicles. 😄 Physical controls do cost more (both to manufacture and to assemble), but damn are they ever nice. Need to adjust the heat whilst driving? No problem; I can do that without taking my eyes off the road.

[dusky jacinth]

The benefit would then be passed to the buyer because now you have as much as possible in one place that you don't need scattered about as buttons, as originally we used to have those infotainment systems that were nothing but tons of buttons and extra features had their own controls years ago, so it was all a hodgepodge of everything instead of one cohesive thing. It helped to deal with that altogether and benefitted both the consumer and the manufacturer.

It's just... The execution, I feel, has been all over the place and only a few of them got it right.

[graceful mortar]

new prius (and camry) have a platform that actually turns when you ask it to. the issue is there is ZERO rear head room because they chose design over function.

Civic hatchback hybrid is an Acura inside, drives like a honda should (very well), has rear head room. and is cheaper feature for feature.

[dusky jacinth]

The rest of them is a mess and a half.

[dusky jacinth]

Hmmm, well I guess I did notice something was off about that rear when I first saw them.

Maybe the new Civic might have an advantage then.

[graceful mortar]

you cnat replce buttons, because buttons you can no look scope you cant with any visually acceptable touch screen.

[graceful mortar]

oh yeah 100%, but you have to protect the profit margin.

[dusky jacinth]

And that was something people ended up realizing a bit late, especially with touchscreen menus that had stuff behind sub menus.

[graceful mortar]

dodge durango has real buttions

thats also because its 16 years old

[versed kelp]

Motherboard temp sensing is the funniest stuff ever sometimes

[graceful mortar]

reasonable price, a respectable 16 MPG, really nothing bad except used ones exist.

[dusky jacinth]

In the end, two things kinda were realized:

1. It's better to have plenty of buttons still.

2. UI/UX needs to be condensed or at least simplified in such a way that doesn't require hiding stuff in other screens and menus to avoid distracting the driver.

3. There is a way to make things simplistic without being overkill, though I don't really if anyone's figured that part out properly just yet.

4. Generally, I think maybe Bugatti was on to something when they designed their stuff for the Chiron's interior because they broke things up a bit and used smaller, simpler screens for different controls. It made them more simplistic and minimalistic without sacrificing look and feel. There could be more of that tried an I think that's what we kinda need instead, especially for cars that aren't luxury or don't need so many features stuffed into them.

[versed kelp]

I have nothing connected to AUXTIN5 to begin with but it's changing, staying stable around 105 degrees celcius

[graceful mortar]

yeah thats why they have you click agree to not use it while driving,

[versed kelp]

I'm not.. is this good chat?

The important question I guess is what are we supposed to look at to determine its worth that kind of money?

[dusky jacinth]

Though on a side note to the latter part, apparently the direction they took with the Tourbillon has caught a LOT of people's eyes because they stripped so many things down, more than even Pagani does with their interior designs for infotainment, and I think people noticed and are starting to wonder if that's something worth trying to go back to again. I doubt that would happen at large, but it is a design direction I feel like a lot of people would want, which is the simplicity of vintage mixed with modern tech.

[dusky jacinth]

Like... Literally, a hypercar with a classic tuner radio in it in terms of infotainment design. That's a bold choice in this day and age in terms of how people see something like that as their move.

[gilded quest]

There are many horrific ways I would choose to die before getting behind the wheel of a stellantis product

[versed kelp]

I mean it's got a V-8 but its like

[dusky jacinth]

I admittedly didn't expect anyone to do one like that who's aim is for a modern car. Only people with the vintage car designs would forego the modern features for look in feel in the eyes of the public, so it was crazy to see Bugatti is doing it apparently, even if for them it's not really that outlandish.

But it doesn't change the fact it's a statement people found to be huge in a way, and I feel like there might be a chance some parts of the industry will take notes.

[graceful mortar]

okay if i am a corp

• i can give you buttons back, to cover liabilities and special ording i have to do i will be adding $15,000 USD to the car. this covers liability and reduced ROI for investers that i am required by law to maxamize
• I will remove all ability to configure anything in the car it will be part of my paid subscription servcie. alternatively you may visit the dealer and pay 1hr labor for them to change they settings for you.
  i will also blur the screen and dim it when the veichicle is placed in drive to ensure it is not interacted with at any time nor distracts the driver. to ensure minimal distractions i will also limit the sound system to 5db over ambient
• i figued it out! i have built th econfiguration menus into my paid app service.
• a high mileage 21 year old bugatti is less than a single year of normal driving. also its because it lacks features. hell bugatti didnt even know idf teh veyron had BLUETOOTH capabilities....

that is teh respone you are asking for. Understnad that.

[versed kelp]

Huge on the infotainment hate by the way

I think hiding pretty commonly used settings behind submenus that might be used while driving is pretty stupid

[graceful mortar]

they asked fro buttons and "reasoable" radio ui's this is as close as you will get new.

[dusky jacinth]

Them not having bluetooth for some reason is funny actually.

[versed kelp]

And that's not a problem?

[dusky jacinth]

Exactly.

[graceful mortar]

its just a 1998 Mercades e-class with am american V8 and a german Transmission. all under a station wagon body

[versed kelp]

I mean you can ban popup headlights, but then legislation around infotainment screens and how bright headlights can get just doesn't exist at all?

[graceful mortar]

yeah, add more digital automated saftey features so yiou can "add value" to your price increases

[versed kelp]

The "if" one should hit something should matter a bit less than actively making it more likely that happens in the first place, but thats just me

[graceful mortar]

i hear this alot, wjat woudl one be?

[versed kelp]

For the record I kinda get the popup headlight ban (still lame) but it's still just dumb to me they don't care about safety beyond what would happen in a crash

[graceful mortar]

for them? yes. for general public who will engauge automated driving anyways and be playing on their phone? no.

[versed kelp]

I mean seat heating for instance, climate control in general on some tesla models

Its better to have a physical knob you dont have to look at for stuff like that than a screen you absolutely do

[graceful mortar]

infotainment, no
headlight are certified. just that some OEM wont pay for the good versions so put crap light on 100,000 trucks

we even have independant testing for consumers. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/about-our-tests/headlights

[dusky jacinth]

And if we learned anything from the industry where planned obsolescence was born from (incidentally being the lightbulb industry), it doesn't sell in volumes to have actually good bulbs put in them anyway, so they won't do it. Therefore, we'd have to on our own in some way.

[graceful mortar]

ALL led headlights should be projector lens (fogs are okay as reflectors)

[versed kelp]

Think getting tailgated by a ford f150 that looks like it has its brights on, but thats just how the leds are normally

At some point they're just too bright, doesn't matter how they cone out if the area they do light is incinerated

[graceful mortar]

may add a "level" kit to their truck which takes headlight out of spec. even more crank them up to "see beter"

also consumers LOVE lights that force people to get out of their way.

[versed kelp]

Consumers also love popup headlights for good reason, but they shouldn't allow mods like that

[graceful mortar]

automatic modes for both heating and climate, also adjustable vis voice control.
voice control means your never have to take your attention off the road, something that isnt true with buttons.

[graceful mortar]

no its OEM driven, they want to save 8% and artifically segment Projectors to theri most bespoke models to foce consumers that care about saftey at night to spend $40,000 more just to get the good headlights.

[winged spire]

love matrix headlights

[versed kelp]

I guess, but not every car necessarily has voice control with those heating and climate controls, at the very least they should make that a standard

[winged spire]

its absolutely saved me from hitting a deer forsure atleast 1 time, probably a different time too but

[graceful mortar]

if you are being blimded its because he is too close, he has them craked high on purpose so you move over, OR he has a model of light known for glare (see GMC)

[graceful mortar]

properly aimed high and lows projectors cause no glare. thats why Bi-Xeon was all the rage with its "shade" thats cut teh light low enoght to not blind others.

[graceful mortar]

they actually dont, there were unreliable AF.

[graceful mortar]

illegal in USA.... annoyingly so

[winged spire]

not anymore

legal in 2021, rivian was the first, tesla was second

[graceful mortar]

well with the hardware operate in non matrix mode. did they finally chaneg the law to allow the,m to activate matrix mode?

[winged spire]

they pushed an update to my car like 3-4 years after it rolled off the lot and turned it on (for free)

[versed kelp]

You're mentioning that matrix headlights are illegal in the us and that they would crank them up, are you in the us yourself?

It's no attack on anything of course, I'd be jealous if you aren't

[winged spire]

yes, it was legalized in 2021 and modules started being approved in like 2024 or 5

[versed kelp]

But that being said I would imagine its not exactly safe to shine your brights at someone to make them move over, especially at night considering how unsafe that could be

[winged spire]

also model 3 and Y

my 2021 model 3 came with the hardware from factory

[winged spire]

do you know what matrix headlights are

[graceful mortar]

vast majority have auto mode for seat heating and cooling, and voice for climate.