public-chat

[tender glade]

Save me

[viscid elm]

maybe

[tender glade]

3 hours and 30 minutes of sleep and I have 3 2 hour classes today

[viscid elm]

at least its not tests

most of my days is 4hrs of sleep and 7hrs of school

[midnight pumice]

I'm on the fence. I have a deposit for the Framework Desktop so I am probably fine with a used 4090 build for a year or two

I can't rationalize the 5090 for ML inference/training

I've been telling myself that we will see an excess of used ML accelerators hitting the used market in the next 2-3 years and enterprise grade stuff gets cycled and upgraded.

So therefore I'm not sure the $2500 premium on a 5090 build is worth it

[fierce moth]

Now that's pretty good iperf3 results
(phone > router through WiFi)

[midnight pumice]

Granted a 9800x3d 4090 = $2500 vs new 5090 build at 5k

[grim belfry]

Not too shabby

[fierce moth]

hmm should i upgrade to a class A subnet

ik i dont really need it, but still

[grim belfry]

It's not 2002 anymore bud

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4632

:p

[fierce moth]

i meant in terms of my internal network lol

[grim belfry]

Still not class A :P

[fierce moth]

so 10.0.0.1 isnt class A?

[grim belfry]

Classful networking has been dead for decades :p

[fierce moth]

damn

guess my course is kinda outta date

[grim belfry]

And no, that isn't class a either

[fierce moth]

cause they still references classes and shit

[grim belfry]

10.0.0.0/8 would be "class a"

but not 10.0.0.0/10

[fierce moth]

mainly due to cisco shit

(they do some of the curriculum)

ubiquiti kneecaps some of it lmao

[karmic wedge]

"it can run game"

[bitter harbor]

“Chat GPT say it’s good”

[desert yew]

is it worth upgrade from evga 3090 to rtx 5070 Ti

[bitter harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/youtube-subscribe-follow-gif-9696052

[viscid elm]

to 9070 xt

[calm swan]

the 5070ti is only 20% better

meh honestly

unless you want frame generation i'd just wait

[dull birch]

Computex tmrw? 👀

[gilded quest]

Ah the classic logo

[gilded quest]

Officially yes
But show coverage started over the weekend

[dull birch]

It did?

Didn't know

I'll just wait for Riley to cover everything in techlinked

[gilded quest]

LMG coverage probably starts today

But some other YouTubers started posting content over the weekend

[rustic tundra]

chat gpt say it good it can run game

that intel sticker is ancient

mid 2000 era

[bright zenith]

Hey Chat how’s it going?

[harsh quartz]

Jump from 3090 to 4090* performance

[golden oasis]

can i redownload windows 11 and keep my hard drive content not where os is located

[harsh quartz]

Wildly googleable

[young ferry]

Hey

[bitter harbor]

Why do you think I replied with YouTube?

[harsh quartz]

There was an even more googleable question that got deleted

It was how to let you VM use the host machines clipboard

[winged spire]

I really hope flight 9 doesn’t get pushed to June lol

[vapid wharf]

Idiot car

[winged spire]

Heated bed

[vernal river]

awh he looks like my cat

[winged spire]

Does your 3d printer have a cat

[vernal river]

cute cat

[winged spire]

Bro what

He got ousted by the ethics board?

[vernal river]

what company is that

[winged spire]

They make lidar

[vernal river]

ahh

[winged spire]

They sponsored a video with mark rober doing a video comparing a car using luminar lidar vs Tesla’s driver assist system which is just vision based

Which led to the stock skyrocketing and someone made a lot of money selling before it eventually went back down

I wonder if that was him

Idk how else a lidar company can have its CEO be ousted by an ethics committee lol

[shy summit]

Right before the video goes live seems like a real good time to use those options.

[winged spire]

The mark rober video was at minimum very poorly done, at worst it was intentionally misleading

[bitter harbor]

I’ve noticed that Mark Rober’s videos have fallen off in quality for quite some time

[winged spire]

https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ?si=qHyI9GvK-Ih1xQni

This video

Even the title is bullshit

They didn’t even use self driving mode, they used AUTOPILOT which is literally just adaptive cruise control and lane centering

Something every new car on the market comes with

[hybrid echo]

No

Aquatic stop being a stan

For once 🙏

[winged spire]

Lane centering and ACC are extremely common features in new cars

[hybrid echo]

Yeah but still ew teslas

[winged spire]

I think I figured out what the 45 means

[hybrid echo]

What then bukroo

[winged spire]

If you genuinely think I’m a Tesla shill you’ve obviously never actually met a Tesla shill

[hybrid echo]

Made?

[hybrid echo]

What 🥺

[winged spire]

Ehh yeah

Unfortunate

He’s definitely sold out.. which I mean, fair enough

Get that 💰

[hybrid echo]

5 years ago content was nice but now feels soleless

[shy summit]

Sadly, I have to agree. His videos were better when he was messing around.

[winged spire]

Once you have a full production team the soul often leaves

[hybrid echo]

???

[shy summit]

People have bills to pay and families to feed. I don't think he can take risks like he did when the channel was a lot smaller.

[winged spire]

LTT gets largely around that by having genuinely passionate people do things they’re passionate about

There’s way more soul in LTT videos than mark rober

[shy summit]

LTT has also done a lot to diversify their income.

[winged spire]

It really seems like mark rober’s entire production team are former TV people

[hybrid echo]

99% comes from seques mayn😔 🙏

[winged spire]

LTT’s team are from the gate YouTube production people

A MUCH different skill

Caleb hammer that guy that does the financial audit was talking about this a bit ago

[north wren]

any techy guy here really need help with selecting a laptop

[winged spire]

He’s looking for more production people but everyone applying are former TV producers which is a completely different skill to YouTube production even if the physical actions are the same

[north wren]

(what was the point of saying a techy guy this is a tech channel)

[winged spire]

It’s not as simple as “I did editing for a news station so that means I can edit a YouTube video well”

It’s a completely different beast

[hybrid echo]

More or less a select few has a decent comprehension of tech knowledge, most around here unfortunately don’t possess this custom

[north wren]

thats unfortunate to hear

[winged spire]

And even fewer have good enough social skills to make it off of reddit

[hybrid echo]

Ore lenient on tv work makes it more formal, but yet YouTube sometimes really offers genuine content which isn’t common but still there

[winged spire]

You’ll likely be told to just google it with a heavy dose of condensation here

[hybrid echo]

Ofc you would relate to that🤭

[hybrid echo]

That or not cooperating and making themselves look like a dumbass

[vapid wharf]

Mark Rober? More like Mark Robber

[hybrid echo]

What laptop you looking for

[vapid wharf]

How much budget

Any "hardware fangirlism"?

[north wren]

just good for programming and coding plus some uni work

maybe some minor gaming asw

[hybrid echo]

Minor gaming such as stuff like sims and around that level?

[harsh quartz]

Minor gaming (cyberpunk)

[north wren]

nah i usually play minecraft only

[hybrid echo]

Ahh if then, you are better off with something like a hp x360 used. With a decent app in it, or if not that get a acre aspire 3 for a good deal

[vapid wharf]

Get a Macbook

Case closed

[hybrid echo]

Well what’s the budget tho

I mean m1 Macs on the second hand market are selling quite well and for what performance they offer for a lower price than retail

[north wren]

hp one is outta budget and the aspire one has a 256 ssd i need 512 plus its 12 gen

[north wren]

plus ion want a used one

[hybrid echo]

What country?

[vapid wharf]

How much money you're willing to spend and do you have a student status

[north wren]

ill dm u my address hopefully u can ship it quickily 😃

[hybrid echo]

Yeah she can prob a get discount from the right stores

[north wren]

pakistan

[north wren]

shit doesnt happen here

[hybrid echo]

Well in that case, what’s about the ballpark range of you’re budget in usd

[vapid wharf]

Well some dude on PCMR said tech is extremely expensive there

So Im out. But if you somehow able to, get a Macbook

[graceful kettle]

my microwave heats up but doesnt warmup my food bro

[north wren]

not really

[north wren]

put the food on the heated microwave

[graceful kettle]

bro

the microwave doesnt wanna heat up 😭 das it

i js wanna eat warm fries bro

[hybrid echo]

U have a air frier?

[graceful kettle]

oh wait

[hybrid echo]

Just put them in there if you do

Much better than microwave

[graceful kettle]

yeah i do holy i forgot

[north wren]

go ask your neighbour if hes nice enough

[north wren]

2025

[graceful kettle]

its 12am here btw

[north wren]

emphasis on if hes nice enough

[hybrid echo]

Wha

Go to eep

[graceful kettle]

no way i have sum shame

[vapid wharf]

Availability maybe

[hybrid echo]

I mean if you are in select regions there I perhaps assume you might get quite few deals there but generally speaking I doubt it but it could be true who knows really🤷‍♀️

[vapid wharf]

Yep

Like if budget is not an issue, get a Macbook Air

[north wren]

if budget wasnt an issue i would have gotten a ultra core 9 65gb ram rtx 5090 laptop

[hybrid echo]

She did emphasized on her not being able to get a Mac so I highly likely there, would be interesting tbh if she could’ve gotten in a good deal on one used or if not that another budget oriented one

[hybrid echo]

65?

[north wren]

64

sorry

[hybrid echo]

Lamo

I mean for coding and basic everyday use and light gaming it wouldn’t be terrible tog get something like a coffee lake laptop(8/9th gen Intel) and get started from there, insert a 512 gig saga sod and you will honestly get a bang for the buck laptop if you looked hard enough

[north wren]

ik ik basically i have 2-3 i5 13 gens in view

[hybrid echo]

Mm what’s the price tho, over priced, perfectly priced or under priced?

[north wren]

id say

a bit

A BIT

overpriced

like i want atleast 16gb ram in the price they are giving 8gb ram

btw how good is lenovo ideapad slim 3

i5 13 gen 8gb ram

all im concerned about is that it has non upgradable ram

[hybrid echo]

Not bad, brand new or used, what’s the price

[hybrid echo]

Ahh soldered ram then, I wouldn’t go for it

[north wren]

brand new 143k after the warranty and window installation cost

[north wren]

this is the only concern

[hybrid echo]

Win installation is free but sure

[hybrid echo]

What other offers you see

[north wren]

HP 8-32 gb

they giving +8gb for free

for 148 after all the cost

[north wren]

this a finalist for me

and the other finalist is

asus vivo book 15

[hybrid echo]

Both new?

[north wren]

yes

im not gonna buy used

[hybrid echo]

I would go honestly for the second option

[hybrid echo]

It’s cheaper 🤭

Yeah second option is literally what you are looking for lmao

For how much you are paying for it?

[north wren]

151

so asus vivobook is good?

[hybrid echo]

Ahh that’s a steal for it

[hybrid echo]

Yup

[north wren]

the main concern in all these price range laptops is the graphic card all have a mid intel uhd card

[hybrid echo]

Here in the states it’s around 250 new

[north wren]

hp one has iris Xe

[north wren]

💀

thats crazy

[hybrid echo]

That’s not a concern really, they could do some light to moderate gaming with them for the screen res they have, plus normal everyday use,media playback, light gaming, coding and so on and so on don’t require lots of performance so you should be good

[hybrid echo]

Well it’s Walmarts prices so ofc they are a shitshow lmao

[north wren]

what fps can i expect on minecraft low settings any wild guess?

[vapid wharf]

60 maybe

[hybrid echo]

250 with sodium , prob around 60ish

[vapid wharf]

Get sodium and all of the optimization mod

[hybrid echo]

I have a very similar spec laptop and it does give that performance

[north wren]

what about optifine

[hybrid echo]

Even on my titans I still use game optimizations for mc as how shitty Java is optimized

[hybrid echo]

Around the same ballpark

[north wren]

i have an i3 4gb ram laptop and shit gives 50 fps on optifine

[hybrid echo]

So you should be good lmao

[north wren]

so can it handle advanced coding programming?

[hybrid echo]

Yeah

[north wren]

W

[hybrid echo]

My w95 desktop from the stone age could do advanced programming lmao

[north wren]

i see

[hybrid echo]

Yeah

[vapid wharf]

Old

[thorn mango]

Hi

[rotund wraith]

4070ti for 600$ or 7900xtx for 600$

[shy summit]

I have both of those cards. xtx is in my PC and the other is in the wife's. If I were choosing between them for the same price, I would probs go xtx again.

[rotund wraith]

do u utilise DLSS or RT? bc ive heard some people say its a make or break between Nvidia and AMD, regardless if AMD has better raw performance

[shy summit]

I do not. I have a pretty traditional setup.

[iron bramble]

XTX only has fsr 3

[pastel marsh]

dlss wins every day of the YEAR.

[iron bramble]

dlss is so much better than fsr

especially dlss 4 vs fsr 3

[winged spire]

Nvlink spine is pretty wild

130tb/s

[rotund wraith]

i mean i plan playing gets at 1440p so ig the dlss would be benficial

[neon mesa]

man man man i want the Arc Pro B60

affordable 48GB

[junior wyvern]

God damit, I brought a new keychron in hopes that my old silicone mod would fit in the new one but it ain't working cause all the holes are in different positions and I can't be bothered to do another messy job of it so it's getting returned to sender

[old topaz]

What’s the best way to boost gaming performance on a laptop?

[viscid elm]

by buying a better laptop

[old topaz]

No optimization or anything that will help?

[bitter harbor]

Render at 480p

[viscid elm]

i dono reinstall windows 11 and then max out the performance in what ever control app you have

[stoic quail]

Download more ram

[old topaz]

🤣🤣

[snow lichen]

Has anyone washed their desk pad with laundry detergent before?

[viscid elm]

i have

[snow lichen]

Came out like new?

[viscid elm]

yea

keep in mind i have heard lots and lots and lots of horror stories

[snow lichen]

I'm gonna test my luck 🤞

[restive eagle]

A good laptop cooling base, one that has the foam seals around the outside. If you can duct AC into it, do so.

Add RAM if you can.

After that, it’s all software optimization. Personally I have a separate local account on my laptop just for gaming. I have it tuned to just not run anything in the background, etc.

And that’s about it unless you want to muck with upgrading the on-board components like an expert. (If you don’t have a microscope for this kind of thing, you’re not it.)

[torpid zenith]

aight what’s the news on computex

anything cool?

[limber stratus]

no

back to bed

[torpid zenith]

fair

[modern cove]

Is there a place to vent?

[limber stratus]

yes

its called a wall

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[oak pier]

or notepad

notepad my beloved ranting venue

[vapid smelt]

Banned at ltt

[sage quiver]

Make sure it's on cold/gentle, and definitely don't put it in the dryer :P

[vapid smelt]

I use hand soap and a toothbrush, then tumble dry on the lowest setting for the dryer

[viscid elm]

i did use handsoap and such buut not good enough for me and the washingmachine worked pretty dam well

[vapid smelt]

Bath tub ftw

[sage quiver]

I've always spot cleaned or scrubbed in the tub, but that looks to be some more serious dirt.

[winged spire]

yeah works fine

air dry obv

tide pods work fine

ive used like dawn dishsoap as well

[tawdry oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852242442036052049/1374102086438096906/ssstwitter.com_1747613844761.mp4?ex=682cd3ca&is=682b824a&hm=639eca48157c6da06b78266ec2c025ae0b2e8f36ba1722820238357d4d139424&

[snow lichen]

i put it on cold/gentle with a very very tiny amount of detergent (powder, not liquid) with an extra rinse

[snow lichen]

i'm probably gonna hang dry mine, i'll definitely put it on tumble for a few minutes though if i need it dryer

just cleaning up for a new pc build to go in

[sage quiver]

Hopefully it does ok! I’d recommend avoiding the dryer altogether.

[snow lichen]

~2 years of gaming? 🤣
linus sold it to my mum at LTX 2023

[sage quiver]

It’ll take some time to dry, but it beats destroying the desk pad or fraying the stitching

[snow lichen]

yeah i'm gonna try to avoid drying it at all costs

[vapid smelt]

My gn mat has been in the dryer multiple times with great success

[snow lichen]

yup, especially given that it's a limited edition print from 2 years ago

[sage quiver]

Ah, nice. ‘Twas a great event :)

[snow lichen]

i had a good time waiting in lines, wish i got to experience more of LTX

was a fun week in YVR though i gotta say

[sage quiver]

Haha yeah, some of the lines were brutal

I wish I'd had a full week to spend

[snow lichen]

lots of stuff to do, but it isn't cheap 🫠

I went to Japan in March and i'm going again next month, i spent like $2,000 less on a hotel room and food in Yokohama than alone on a hotel in Vancouver for the week

[sage quiver]

Crazy how that works.

I booked my stay faaaaar in advance but it still wasn't cheap

[snow lichen]

on the bright side i found some really good salt and vinegar chips made in surrey, hardbite for anyone curious

I went up to Windser in January to grab some

[sage quiver]

I just munched on the Miss Vickies at Whale LAN.. I think it was Miss Vickies

[snow lichen]

We did aswell, booked in October. $500 CAD a night iirc at the marriot like 2 blocks from the convention centre

[sage quiver]

Ah yeah, I wasn't quite that close

[vapid smelt]

With an included 5 star dinner?

[sage quiver]

More like a "continental" breakfast that consisted of a coffee and an orange

..if I had to guess

[snow lichen]

Nope 😂

[tender glade]

Or just buy a mouse mat that’s actually washable

[snow lichen]

Kinda

[tender glade]

They do exist :)

[snow lichen]

We had the M club thingy

[sage quiver]

but are they as pretty

[tender glade]

Yes

[sage quiver]

hmm

[snow lichen]

Came out okay, gonna put it in again hopefully get a tiny bit more out. 🤞

[sage quiver]

Progress!

You can also try rubbing hand/dish soap into the stains

[tender glade]

https://mousemods.com

Currently down but

All washable in the washer dryer, been using mine for 4 ish years since drop and they’ve been amazing :)

[vapid smelt]

Weird lttstore.com link

[sage quiver]

Do they explicitly mention they can be put in the dryer?

[tender glade]

Yes

[sage quiver]

hm

[snow lichen]

If this next cycle doesn't get it I'll do that. Dawn works?

[vapid smelt]

Yup

[sage quiver]

Dawn would be a bit more rough than hand soap, but depending on how bad the stains are you might need that. None of this is official advice :P

[tender glade]

What type of stain are they trying to treat?

[sage quiver]

^

[tender glade]

Oil? Oil stains are really difficult to get out

[snow lichen]

i haven't spilled oil on it, just blood, skin, bbq sauce

normal gamer things 💀

and water aswell

[tender glade]

Bbq sauce is indeed an oil based stain

[vapid smelt]

Blood?!

[tender glade]

So is blood

30 minutes dab it liberally and leave it to sit

[vapid smelt]

For blood hydrogen peroxide works wonders

[viscid elm]

look what i made

[vapid smelt]

Weird shotgun slug

[viscid elm]

god i love technology

no its for a thingy a house gets stuck on

[vapid smelt]

How can a house get stuck?

[viscid elm]

since there is nothing under the pipe

[alpine gale]

Can confirm. Or if it's fresh blood, sucking it out with saliva from your mouth. (No, I'm not memeing being a vampire; saliva dilutes fresh blood really well.)

[viscid elm]

i will show in

well not the hose part

[vapid smelt]

Water hose? Not house?

[viscid elm]

yeaaahh i cant spell

[crisp rivet]

Jesus Christ it's you 💀

[vapid smelt]

[crisp rivet]

Blocking you

[vapid smelt]

[tender glade]

Wild, coopa is nice :(

coopa calls me mom all the time

for some reason

[vapid smelt]

Momo - 1 o

[crisp rivet]

I said I blocked them

[tender glade]

Why can’t we all just be friends

[crisp rivet]

Because of a comment that was made

[vapid smelt]

https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Human_leather

[viscid elm]

momo are you done with classes

[tender glade]

No

[crisp rivet]

How is everyones day

[tender glade]

I’m in embedded systems atm

[viscid elm]

on the last one and on discord while its going on or on break

[tender glade]

It’s my last class for today

[viscid elm]

nice

[tender glade]

This class is my stinkiest

I have electronics 2, electrical energy conversion and embedded systems

[vapid smelt]

Well you are in it

[tender glade]

I will have you know I smell the nicest in this class

[harsh quartz]

https://youtu.be/wCTGX8XkOvQ?si=3US0b_41tnZjAobn

[vapid smelt]

And we all know mods are stinky

[viscid elm]

o no

i love and hate my classes as most tests are so easy i do not need to do any research or anything but that is more to do with me not having had a life and just watching a shit ton of shit when i was young

and or doing shit at home

[winged spire]

The 28,000$ electic pickup 🐸

Just what people wanted

Should made it diesel or gas and it woulda be ACTUALLY under 20k

[harsh quartz]

Says it starts at 20k

[winged spire]

Yeah when you include the 7500$ tax credit the US government gives EVs

It’s 28,000$ with a 7500$ tax credit

Doesn’t make it a 20,000$ car, though

[harsh quartz]

Says it’s under 20k with tax credit

[winged spire]

My apologies, so it’s $27499.99

[harsh quartz]

I’m just saying, don’t shit on something before we know the facts. I’d rather have a push for cheap cars instead of this constant creep towards 30-40k being the new average car

[uneven stirrup]

It kinda looks cool ngl… wish it was a hybrid

[harsh quartz]

Hybrids are best, but there’s so many hybrids already

[uneven stirrup]

I think hybrids are still underrated

[harsh quartz]

Can get a hybrid Corolla for 27k already

[uneven stirrup]

Cause gas is so amazing

[harsh quartz]

A lot of people are here drive Toyotas, most of which are hybrids at this point

[uneven stirrup]

Hear me out

[harsh quartz]

No, quite frankly gas is amazing I’ll agree

The fact that we have such a perfect little energy ball that’s so easy to harness is incredible

[uneven stirrup]

Gas can be amazing; it’s just they make engines inefficient and cars inefficient even though they can be more efficient

Like we are still getting 20mpg cars in 2025

[winged spire]

Gasoline cars are inherently one of the most inefficient transportation methods

[uneven stirrup]

Hybrids are amazing tho

[uneven stirrup]

Most of that is from semis

[harsh quartz]

Cars will always be the least efficient, doesn’t matter if it’s gas, even if it’s electric it’ll still be the least efficient electric option. IMO that’s a bad take on why gas is bad

[winged spire]

Internal combustion engines alone is incredibly inefficient, but specifically on cars that have to regularly operate outside of their most efficient curve

[winged spire]

I don’t mean in terms of like road space or whatever vs busses

I mean in terms of energy in vs energy out

[snow lichen]

Looks a bit better

[pliant karma]

Yep my parents are planning on a new car this summer which in the end I’ll end up taking . Currently drive a Honda fit and that gas is something when you gotta drive 35/40 miles back and forth 3 to 4 days out of the week.

[snow lichen]

Gonna hang it to air dry

[winged spire]

Internal combustion engines are well under 40% efficient

well under

[glass zenith]

I painted my network card bracket

Looks better

[winged spire]

Internal combustion engines in like standing generators get to that higher 40% number because they generally operate at their most efficient power curve

Internal combustion engines in cars have to regularly get out of their peak efficiency to accelerate you or go over hills/whatever

[harsh quartz]

Yes, and it driving multiple cars will be less energy efficient than driving 1 vehicle with lots of people in side, still has nothing to do with gas vs other energies

[harsh quartz]

I wish I had gotten a hybrid. I love my suv but my next car might be a Prius or something, I want them mileage numbers

[vapid smelt]

Then it's foot print would need to be bigger because EPA math

[winged spire]

Except a car with 1 person in it will have 1 person in it weather it’s an EV or gasoline

[pliant karma]

Ah ironic it’s either gonna be a Prius or Corolla prob Prius in the end.

At least the newer one

[winged spire]

A car that has an engine with 95% efficiency is better than a car with 30% efficiency

It really is that simple

[harsh quartz]

I mean you just can’t beat em. The worst part about the Corolla is it’s terrible acceleration BUT with the electric motors, not as much of a problem

[pliant karma]

I’m just glad the dashboard got moved to the steering wheel now compared to center.

[harsh quartz]

Okay but you’re ignoring the argument. A gas car is less efficient than a gas bus, an electric car will still be less efficient than an electric bus. You saying cars suck isn’t a good argument for why gas is terrible

[winged spire]

Your argument is irrelevant

[harsh quartz]

I’m arguing the point YOU made

If it’s irrelevant, than so is the point you made

[winged spire]

If you truly think that’s at all what I’m talking about I think im done here

Clearly you’ve ENTIRELY missed what I was saying

The Fundamental plot

We are talking about a (person) driving a (car) and their choice is between a car with a power train that is 95% efficient or a car with a power train that is 30% efficient

The choice to swap to an EV is entirely irrelevant to public transport

[harsh quartz]

You’re saying gas is bad and cars are the least efficient because they operate outside of what an ICE system should. I’m saying cars are still going to be bad either way, whether it’s ICE or electric, they’re still going to be the least efficient

[harsh quartz]

You’re the one that brought up the car vs other transport options though!

[winged spire]

Except one of those cars is several times more efficient than the other

I can add more arrows

If you need

[harsh quartz]

And I’m not talking about road space

I’m talking about energy used

[winged spire]

And a gas car will always waste more energy than an EV

[harsh quartz]

An electric car will still be less efficient per person than an electric bus

[winged spire]

Why do you keep taking about busses

[harsh quartz]

You brought this argument up and then ignored it, not my fault

[winged spire]

Where did I bring up busses

Or busses compared to EVs

[harsh quartz]

Other forms of transport, I’m just saying bus as a stand in

[winged spire]

Or their energy use compared to cars

[shy summit]

Busses are kinda useless tbh

[winged spire]

Where exactly did I bring up busses

[harsh quartz]

Busses are a stand in for other transportation methods

[winged spire]

…… yes compared to EV cars hybrid cars

You can choose to ignore the fact I’ve now stated 5 times I’m not talking about busses if you want

If you want to assume I was talking about buses, then continue to assume that after I’ve stated other wise (6) times that’s upto you

[harsh quartz]

Busses were a standin, now being said for the third time

[winged spire]

Nope

[light tree]

Here in czech, Jihlava, we use EV buses as well as diesel ones

[harsh quartz]

Yes

[harsh quartz]

Thank you, and they’re more efficient than ICE cars I bet!

[winged spire]

That is incorrect, you can’t just decide what a standin for a message i posted is even after directly telling you its not

I am not talking about buses

[light tree]

They are quieter, thats the main reason (as im aware of, idk about busses alot)

[winged spire]

Is that clear enough for you?

[harsh quartz]

No, I’m telling you I AM using busses as a standin for other “transportation methods” which you did not clarify until after going on a rant about how you didn’t say it

[vapid smelt]

Mopeds > Cars

[winged spire]

You are using buses as a standin INCORRECTLY then

[harsh quartz]

And they look cooler too

[harsh quartz]

You wouldn’t clarify

[winged spire]

That was NOT my point and it’s incredibly ignorant to keep ignoring me when I tell you so

[harsh quartz]

I was trying to get you to clarify, which you kept not doing and acting like you hadn’t said it in the first place :p

[light tree]

What are you both arguing about 😭 what is more efficient way of travel from point A to point B?

[winged spire]

Hope all these messages obviously showing I wasn’t talking about busses is enough for you

[harsh quartz]

Because I was using busses as a stand in. Eventually you said hybrids/EV cars.

[harsh quartz]

Man said gas cars are inefficient and that’s why gas sucks

[winged spire]

Internal combustion engine cars (gas/diesle) are incredibly horribly inefficient compared to EVs

[light tree]

Combustion cars are inefficient at some point, due to not fully burning all the gas/diesel tho, they have efficiency of around 30-40% if im not completely off (depends on engine ofc)

[winged spire]

I dumbed my argument down as much as humanly possible but he still is arguing against a point that was never made so I’m just not going to reply further lol

[winged spire]

Extremely inefficient, especially if you’re doing anything other than driving a straight line on a flat highway

[light tree]

• the engine cars have alot of power loss due to drive shaft, and other parts that need to spin in order to keep rolling the car (engine with 100hp might have aeound 60-70hp of power on wheels)

[winged spire]

Every engine has a natural power curve that gives it a peak efficiency, which gas cars often have to go outside of because you’re changing speed/going up hills

[vapid smelt]

Large ev pickups are silly they need 2,000 pounds + of batteries to get good range

[winged spire]

This aswell, EVs are literally a motor and a small gearbox

As simple as a vehicle can get

[vapid smelt]

Hub motors ftw

[winged spire]

Virtually no losses from the drive train

Other than tires I guess but that’s just a given

[light tree]

• short drive shaft without much power loss tho, ofc again, compared to combustion cars

Every car has + and - , and efficiency is not always what matters, it depends on every person tho

[full fossil]

From chatgpt

[winged spire]

Yeah, you can either half or double mpg or Wh/mile depending on who’s driving

[vapid smelt]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2025-chevy-silverado-ev-rst-pros-cons-review one of the best rang ev trucks weighed just shy of 9000 pounds

[winged spire]

Here’s the efficiency curve from the last time I charged up

Obv not 100% efficiently but it’s easily 90+

[light tree]

So, is AI aware/updated for the fact of new pope? Or not yet

[winged spire]

Not updated

[light tree]

Whats the other axis? Its for time?

[winged spire]

Ask bing chat

Yeah

When you first plug in as it ramps up the amperage it’s less efficient

[light tree]

Depends on voltage also i think

[winged spire]

Voltage on super chargers is consistent throughout

Home chargers are less though

Unless you happen to have a 400v circuit on your house which would be neat

[harsh quartz]

Yes, and I’ll agree that gas is significantly worse than hybrids/EVs, but when comparing it to other “transportation methods” that’s a ridiculous argument cause cars are always gonna be less energy efficient per person than, idk, something like a bus, which is a valid “transportation method” even when both are EVs

[winged spire]

That initial amp spike is from the battery heating thing iirc

Which is pretty sick

[vapid smelt]

Did you see againwheels new video on the EV Chevy? When you turn on the AC while fast charging it goes from 200kwh to fucking 30kwh 😆

[light tree]

Thats valid point, as a transportation method, every public transport (bus, train, subway, even bicycle) are more energy efficient

[light tree]

Thats crazy dip in power

[winged spire]

It does a little AC ripple to heat the battery up super quickly

Give the electrons a little wiggle 😛

[light tree]

Most houses in czech have 3phase power, which has 400v (ofc 1f is 230V)

[winged spire]

Not usually to a single outlet though huh?

Yeah

[light tree]

It can be! Depends on user usage

[winged spire]

400v 20a in the wall would be scary as hell lmao

That’s like instant death territory

[mental wind]

no ai doesn’t have access to it

Chatgpt last time
I checked runs on info from 1 or 2 years ago

[light tree]

I meaan, its not that bad

[light tree]

Good to know, thanks Reto

[mental wind]

so if let’s say trump dies

It wouldn’t know about it till 2 years from
Now lmao

[winged spire]

Someone should sell full level 3 chargers for home use lol

[mental wind]

but then it’s trump so they will probs just allow the information

[winged spire]

400v 600amp charger in your garage

It would be totally useless but sick as hell lol

[light tree]

600amp would heat like hell,plus the cables would be THICK, you would go better with more voltage, and keep 20-50amps

[winged spire]

Too slow

V4 Tesla chargers comfortably do 500kw

[light tree]

2kV and 20amps is not that slow tho

( Thats 40kW power )

[winged spire]

Several Chinese company’s have 1MW chargers

To a single car

Utterly insane

[light tree]

Yea, but they still use like around 100amps, and alot of voltage, like 40kV or more if im not wrong on that one

[vapid smelt]

I really want to see the temperatures for the charging system and pack for that

[winged spire]

They’re likely watercooled

Tesla charging cables are

[light tree]

More voltage = less need of thickness of the cable, more amps = more thicker cable

[harsh quartz]

I want to see what happens when the cooling system fails

[light tree]

Same

[winged spire]

It triggers a fault and safely shuts down

[harsh quartz]

Okay but if it didn’t

[light tree]

You get a heater!! Yay

[winged spire]

Like if the cooling system shuts down on any other charger

You don’t need thicker cable if you cool them

Which is why they’re often now water cooled

[light tree]

Yea, but if you dont, they heat up

[harsh quartz]

1MW heater sounds fun

[winged spire]

Copper is $$$ and a magnet for crackheads

[light tree]

Sounds like it would tickle a bit also

[harsh quartz]

But only when you pass current through it

[winged spire]

https://eepower.com/uploads/articles/image5_10.png

V4 is the one that can do 500kw

[light tree]

Well, not only for crackheads, as there is something like magnetic induction or summ, so the cable (if coiled mostly) acts like electro magnet of some sort, not too strong (depends)

[winged spire]

V3 chargers do at minimum 600a

[light tree]

V4 seems like fun heater

[winged spire]

Likely much higher on the v4

[light tree]

As the v4 has slimmer cables, i think they would use more voltage to compensate, and use a bit lower amps

[winged spire]

Nah

Thicker cables

They’re suuuper stiff too

[winged spire]

Yeah upto 1200v iirc

[light tree]

They seem like same thickness on the photo tho

[winged spire]

Not to scale

Irl they’re much thicker

[light tree]

iirc? You mean AC or what? Quite dont understand what iirc stands for

[winged spire]

SUPER stiff, like to the point where it’s actually sometimes difficult to plug in with one hand

[winged spire]

If I recall correctly

[light tree]

Ohhh

[echo sluice]

isnt the range on evs ass

[harsh quartz]

Ehh

[light tree]

No need for gym if you have that cable 🤣

[echo sluice]

or you need to pay a fortune for one with good range

[light tree]

Depends on models, but not in this year tho, as it was improved since 2020 like ALOT

[harsh quartz]

Depending on how much money you spend they can get 300-400 miles. That slate one with the upgraded pack said 240milrs, which is low compared to gas, but how often do you need 240+ miles without recharging? But also superchargers (as much as I hate to admit it) has really helped in this sector. By using teslas plug as a standard, a modern EV can way faster than they could 5-10 years ago

[harsh quartz]

Plug in hybrids still the way to go IMO

[vapid smelt]

Most are over 300

[echo sluice]

my dad is a taxi driver so

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-wow-i-cant-even-surprised-shocked-gif-16276620

[harsh quartz]

Taxis could probably benefit quite a lot from being converted to EV, with curbside charging

[light tree]

Yea, as taxis often (as i see them) just sit on parking lots, so they could re-charge in the mean time

[vapid smelt]

The bottom aptera isn't in production so take the data with a grain of salt

[echo sluice]

eh here they just cruise around

[harsh quartz]

And idling while on a charger as opposed to idling with gas

[light tree]

You wont be happy with Alfa Romeo 2.2jts or Gullia GTAm 🥲

[echo sluice]

• a car is like a massive investment here so

[noble glen]

Sup

[harsh quartz]

It is everywhere

[light tree]

Idling on charger is better than on gas, not price-wise, but rather range-wise, as with gas car you burn your range, and on charger you are increasing the range the car can go untill its dead

[harsh quartz]

Ye, idling on charger would be better for everyone, and likely cheaper (depending on location)

[light tree]

Thats true, depends also if its used, new, ev, gas, diesel, etc...

[dusky jacinth]

They're about the same as some normal cars (mostly crossovers with small engines) in terms of range, and then overtime lose range gradually as their batteries wear down as one would expect.

At least depending on which one you get of course.

[light tree]

Id take steam powered car, sirr

[winged spire]

unironically real

the biggest thing is the wrist

[light tree]

[vapid smelt]

Wood powered cars are cooler

[winged spire]

I dont do like.. wrist exercises so trying to twist this super stiff cable is definitely noticly harder over v3 chargers

[winged spire]

seen the aptera IRL

its pretty comfortable

[dusky jacinth]

I haven't yet. I am curious of the production ready ones though.

[vapid smelt]

Would be cool if it had a bench seat that could fit 3 people

[winged spire]

lol...no

its pretty tight

if youre even particually tall I wouldnt recomend

[vapid smelt]

Make it a wee but wider

[light tree]

Is the Aptera even in Europe or not yet?

[winged spire]

its not out

I sat in the one they brought to CES

[light tree]

Ohh, so prototype for now, got it

[dusky jacinth]

Dunno if they will, especially if they're doing things the engineering way in terms of space in the cabin of the car.

[winged spire]

I paid 22k for my 21 model 3 standard range

[dusky jacinth]

That lil' amount of space saving is an aero efficiency advantage, no matter how tiny a difference.

[winged spire]

its now got 66,600 miles and about 88% battery health

I get like a cool 250miles on a full charge

sometimes more sometimes less depending on tempature

[dusky jacinth]

Sounds about right.

[winged spire]

but the thing with EVs is you dont run them from full to empty

[light tree]

Thats still good health, considering the age, and how it was made

[winged spire]

you type in your desitnation and the car calculates when, and where to charge and for how long

charging from 0-80% takes as long as 80-100%

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah because if you did that, you'd mess up the battery cells themselves.

[winged spire]

its also just faster

less about battery health and more about speed

[dusky jacinth]

Interesting anticipatory safeguard of them to implement.

[winged spire]

several 5 minute charges are going to be faster than a single 20 minute charge

as the battery fills up the charging speed drops dramatically

[light tree]

It might be faster, but it also might be worse for the battery

[winged spire]

When I drove to las vegas (from new orleans) I was stopping every like 3-4 hours for a quick 5-10 minute charge

[harsh quartz]

I hope edison motors gains traction in the long run, would love to see what they can do with normal car conversions too

[winged spire]

eh, not really

Tesla is still byfar the leader in battery pack design, theyre all heavily watercooled and kept at the optimal tempature for charging

theres good reason most EV conversions and DIY battery backups use salvage tesla packs

[dusky jacinth]

Still waiting for everyone else to catch up, eh?

[winged spire]

(like the LTT video they just did)

[light tree]

Yea, but the battery cells themselfs might degrade faster if you dont fully charge them

[light tree]

Cuz they are quite cheap, i think

[dusky jacinth]

I wouldn't be surprised, since they had started making them at cost especially with the larger cells.

[winged spire]

BYD battery architecture is very unpredictably almost identical to tesla which happened right around giga shanhai opened up

I wonder why....

cost of doing buisness in china

[dusky jacinth]

Pretty much...

[winged spire]

Teslas have used LFP long before BYD

MY car is LFP

[light tree]

My car is gasoline, not tuned yet

[winged spire]

and guess which tesla factory exclusively produces tesla's LFP packs?

take a wild guess lol

[light tree]

The one made to do them?

[slender mountain]

hi

[light tree]

[silver sun]

487

[light tree]

No, 374

[dusky jacinth]

Also, China I believe has a company that has the IP, patents, and manufacturing arm for a solid-state battery type that originally came from stateside, if I remember correctly.

That's pointing out only one type of course (another one useful for grid storage ended up moving to Germany from China after a while that also came from the states), though it also shows that they too also get a hold of actually good battery tech as well that comes from everyone else and therefore has more they can leverage with manufacturing and innovation on that front.

[vapid smelt]

Because they get mechanically totalled all the time 😆

[winged spire]

Tesla has stopped producing all car trims with LFP because of china's recent battery tarrifs/rare earth element rules which is unfortunate

I dont believe that decision has changed

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2737/teslas-boosted-lfp-battery-chemistry-for-us-production

seems like theyre starting a plant here which is cool

[light tree]

So, once your battery fully dies, you have to ditch the car? Or you could get replacement battery at that time? (Likely in 8yr or more)

[winged spire]

Battery replacements are super quick

same day turnaround from your apointment date

the biggest holdup is actually waiting for the battery to arrive though, they dont keep every type of battery in storage at the service centers

[light tree]

I ment like, would they be even avaible some replacement batteries for your model

[winged spire]

yeah

theyre usually refurbished packs

when a "battery dies" its almost always just a few cells that can be swapped out

then the rest of the pack is good to go

[vapid smelt]

Do you know if Tesla replaces any bad cells in the pack or do you need to pay for a while new one

[winged spire]

Tesla has a no questions asked drive train and battery warranty, 100k miles or 7 (I think) years

[light tree]

Yea, makes sense, so the good ones would be used in other pack to create "new and functional" one

[winged spire]

idk much about battery swaps outside of warranty

presumebly youd pay the full repair cost

its like when you get an express replacement with apple for a phone or something

you are technically getting a different device, but they take your old one and repair it for someone else

[vapid smelt]

https://youtu.be/T7Q0nNkQTCo?feature=shared how tf was this 3 years ago

[winged spire]

yeah the actual battery swap process is a super simple one suprisingly

[vapid smelt]

I swear it was last year

[light tree]

It would need to be adjusted so it should be as a new one, price-wise

[winged spire]

like I said, I assuming they actually HAVE the battery its a same day 24 hour turn around

I had a battery fault a while ago and the whole service was free including a week with a nicer loaner car

I absolutely DEMOLISHED a fucking armadillo lmao

[light tree]

How??

[winged spire]

Free tow, free loaner and free repair

[winged spire]

dark backroads probably going faster than I should have lol

[vapid smelt]

The cameras didn't see it 😆

[light tree]

If its under warranty, it might be free, depending on damage i guess

[winged spire]

it was completely

the warranty is basically no questions asked

even if it was obviously user damage like in my case

[light tree]

👀 WhistlinDiesel with his Cybertruck comparing video

[winged spire]

They repaired it like 3 times huh?

[light tree]

He paid alot tho 🤣

[winged spire]

yeah but that was like.. actual vehicle damage

[light tree]

For all of them if im not wrong

[winged spire]

I wonder if he had to pay for the motor replacements and stuff

[light tree]

It was, he wanted it just to be functional, like the errors he got on phone, to be able to drive it

[light tree]

You can check both vids he made, i think around 20k in total? Maybe only 10k? I dont remember exactly

[winged spire]

thats a damn good deal

if I totaled an F350 and tried to get ford to repair it theyd try and shoot me

[vapid smelt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9yLzs5SzaxQ?feature=shared can't drive with a broken hitch

[winged spire]

lmao

[light tree]

Yea, that dropped also on his Cybertruck 😅

[winged spire]

too dirty for the cybertruck, CT owners dont wanna get dirt under their nails

Cast aluminum isnt a good choice for a tow hitch like that even if 9,000 pounds directly down on the tow hitch is obviously beyond what its designed for

[vapid smelt]

But could happen in the real world

[winged spire]

its only rated for like 11k towing

youd need to be towing something MUCH heavier to have 9,000lbs of force directly on the hitch

[vapid smelt]

In the EU it NEEDS to be steel by law

[winged spire]

you want like at most 20% of your trailer weight on the tow hitch

20% of 11,000lbs rating

[light tree]

Towing, means the weight would not be even that much, if its 11k trailer, it might tow with like, around 7-9k weight power only?

[winged spire]

most of the weight on a trailer doesnt go through the tow hitch

it goes through the trailer's wheels

[winged spire]

thats what I was saying here

[vapid smelt]

Unless you don't know how to load a trailer

[winged spire]

or read your trucks load rating

oh, he also says it at the end of this video

JRE mentions the 10-15% toung weight thing

[light tree]

I dont think so, the Cybertruck (atleast in Czech) can be driven if you change the smoll back lights, and the sharp places need to be un-sharped, like with a rubber

[vapid smelt]

https://youtu.be/SsnYvAU3kfA?feature=shared

[viral aurora]

Is a 4080 enough for 4K gaming?

[light tree]

Very much yes

Not for high FPS, but you can play it

[alpine gale]

Reminds me of these Durability Tests™ 🤣 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_EJ3DyiiA

[winged spire]

if you load a trailer even REMOTELY correctly and max out its rated towing weight youd still have less than 2000lbs on the actual towhitch

[light tree]

Thus meaning, the hitch in real-world-use would be plenty for usuall trailers (like normal cars tow)

[winged spire]

the actual tow hitch is steel

[dusky jacinth]

Iii personally think they should either:

• Drop the model entirely.
• Go back to the drawing board and redesign it into something that's actually a proper small truck.
• Act more as a supplier to other companies making electric trucks instead and just have the CT be considered the "proof-of-concept" for what Tesla managed to achieve with it so far (in terms of positives.)

[winged spire]

yeah the rating is 11,000 pounds

4989.51607kg

[light tree]

other materials might be used

[winged spire]

thats refering to the actual physical coupler, so it IS made of steel

[vapid smelt]

But the glued bumper the run away chains attach to ain't lol

[winged spire]

the tow hitch is made of steel and connected to the aluminum frame

[vapid smelt]

Yeah forgot that part

[winged spire]

those are almost certainly attached to the alumium castings

steel hooks attached to the casting

The model Y has a tow hitch package

works well

they just released a tow package for the model 3 in austrialia and new zealand... cannot wait for that to come to the US

Id love to be able to tow small trailers in my car

[light tree]

Glued are some sheets if im not wrong, but practically, if the glue holds, you wont even notice it

[light tree]

You can make yourself some tow hitch on your hitch-less car tho, i managed to make one on my 159 😅

[winged spire]

yeah I could I guess

[winged spire]

theres also plenty of after market ones

[winged spire]

steel hooks that almost certianly lead to the casting underneath

[light tree]

These are not as good as the "permanent" ones, as the bolt that hold it is the weak point

[winged spire]

model 3 tow package

[vapid smelt]

Yeah probably

[winged spire]

it only holds 1000kg lol

its a tow package for a sedan lol

[light tree]

I managed to hold 3 tons ;-; and the car on my configuration didnt even had the hitch 😅

[winged spire]

you could probably do 3 tones on this

its just not rated for it

[light tree]

Not on the steep hill tho, as gravity works

[winged spire]

you dont list the rated capacity based on the max physical strenght of your hitch lol

[vapid smelt]

My 160hp 3.1v6 Cutlass has a tow rating of 2,000 pounds

[winged spire]

you include a large safety margin

[winged spire]

so same as mine

[light tree]

So, for safety (because people are dumm) they rate it rather for 1 ton while it could do 3-4tons?

[vapid smelt]

But you won't have a 0-60 speed of well over 25 seconds lol

[winged spire]

I could probably do a 0-60 with a 1000kg trailer in like 7 seconds

lol

[light tree]

Lets use km/h, 60 is not hard, but in mph, it might be harder

[vapid smelt]

I can do 0-60 normally at 11ish

[winged spire]

I even have the slow one

"slow" its still like 500hp or something equivalent

[rustic tundra]

bruckell legran

[vapid smelt]

And normal trucking since it has no spare tire location

[light tree]

I have i4 while i could go for 2.4JTDM which is diesel and i5 😭

[winged spire]

which is really funny because it easily could have fit one like the rivians

[light tree]

More pistons =more powaa 🤣

[winged spire]

thats how LITERALLY all weight/whatever ratings are done for literally everything

[light tree]

Dang, didnt knew that, thanks for the info

[winged spire]

toyota did an ad where they literally towed Space Shuttle Endeavour with a Tundra

just because it physically CAN do it doesnt mean toyota is going to now label their towing capacity as 80,000kg lol

[light tree]

Makes sense

[winged spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bdsQEbGdw

[vapid smelt]

If the real max was 4tons red neck Jerry would think he could get away with 4.5-5 tons for "just this one trip"

[winged spire]

pretty wild video

300,000lbs tow

[light tree]

Using any vehicle will result in failure over time

Well, it depends on many factors tho

Blew my motor once ;-; just bcs i hold it for 2 minutes on max rpm while not speeding definitely

It was rated to withstand it tho, even for longer time

[winged spire]

theres not nearly enough cybertrucks, nor time to make a statement on its longevity when using it within its rated limits

claiming otherwise is disingenuous

said before and ill say it again, thank god youre not an engineer lmao

[light tree]

Its same as people would hit all the limits on their ford's and claiming its bad

[winged spire]

Anyone claiming aluminum fatigue failure is "simple metallurgy and material physics" is an idiot

just fullstop

[light tree]

Not completely tho, you hate what you never sat in, you never drove

[vapid smelt]

Not enough people will use it as a truck for us to know too

[winged spire]

utterly idiotic ignorant take

which YOU dont understand

YOU, spesifically

[light tree]

It has, bold of you to assume its bad, when you never was in it, same as me saying your car is worst on planet, while never actually being in one of them

[tawdry oak]

cyber needs Smart car integrated roll cage shell 😎

[light tree]

Fatigue is not equal to people abusing it to its limit, then crying how bad it is due to their lack of everything

[tawdry oak]

Reinforced structural steel

[winged spire]

incapable of forming a nuanced opinion or argument on a take

genuinely impressive

[tawdry oak]

So cybertruck mileage is useless, "flight frame hours" is the true value meter 😅

[light tree]

It would stop many people hating the Cybertruck tho, as many people say how trash it is, while never using it, even for 1 day

[winged spire]

With aluminum, yes, that doesnt mean aluminum is inherently a bad choice

it just comes with extra design constraints

[vapid smelt]

We cant say how bad cancer is since we never had it

[tawdry oak]

well, glad CB wont be driving on EU roads

[light tree]

I mean, dont judge something based only on people choices, you have to try it out yourself... Its not same as illness

[winged spire]

Stick to understanding pullies please

[light tree]

Some are already here, so too late

[tawdry oak]

in showrooms, cannot drive on public roads 😅

[winged spire]

Alumuinum, notorious for never being used in high stress, with large dynamic forces in a lever

[light tree]

Not only showrooms, saw 3 cybertrucks driving here in Czech, in last 4 months tho

[winged spire]

has Australia invented planes yet?

from your messages it sounds like youre unfamiliar with the concept

[tawdry oak]

hmm.. i wonder how because they do not meet EU regulations

[light tree]

Cybertruck's here in czech are treated as say... Lamborghini Hurracan

And they meet the regularions when you change the smoll back lights, and use rubber or something on sharp places

Maybe due to the fact that there are like 5 publicly known only in republic

Its due to rarity, not how "shitty it is for petrol stucks"

I drove one once, and its pretty fun, its silent, and pretty usefull as a daily car here

[winged spire]

Idiot

you are objectively stupid

show me a single time ive said anything positive about elon, ill wait

literally anything

[vestal delta]

Grandma agreed to take me to micro center for the first time let’s go chat

Very few imo

[light tree]

I mean, did you ever saw how roads/traffic is here in Czech? Its usefull more than like, mustang or Dodge

Obv, its still steel

Design? For me its good thing on the Cybertruck, it stands out

[dusky jacinth]

Though the irony of that is we already learned this from the DMC-12 and the problem there was basically they just... Didn't learn that you shouldn't use bare steel for any situation involving weather or outdoor elements. Lol.

[light tree]

Sheet isnt panel, but alright, miss

[winged spire]

literally dont bother, hes genuininely one of the dumbest people Ive ever spoken to

[light tree]

I stand out even in my Alfa, but thanks, i have nice car and enjoy it, plus i dont hate cars only based on people's opinions, i rather try them out myself and then judge

[vapid smelt]

Would this count has being Elon positive xd

[dusky jacinth]

That now was something else.
It really made no sense why they didn't stick to just screws and bolts, or if they wanted tolerances to be that tight at the expense of reparability, just use rivets then.

[light tree]

He hates Cybertruck for no reason 🤣 the usuall i guess

[winged spire]

Its crazy how he just stopped talkign to me because he realized just how stupid that last message is

you are unable to find a single positive thing ive literally ever said about elon because I HAVENT said anything positive

you made a bad point, I called you on that its literally that simple

[light tree]

If you are smart enough, you know you dont ALWAYS have to use 100% towing capacity of the car, you normally use less

[winged spire]

PLENTLY of valid critisms of the cybertruck, you just picked a bad one

[light tree]

Did you ever tried one yourself to make that opinion? Also no, because you are dumm

[dusky jacinth]

I personally never saw the CT as being good for towing really, since the way it's built is like most crossovers and mini vans, just with a weirder compromise of using stressed-member body panels with a weaker chassis.

[winged spire]

you really are incapable of having a real conversation arent you? like genuinely, medically incapable

thats literally not what happened so youre either actively lying and fabricating a point, or have late stage dementia

1 comment because I said the D word lmao

Again, misrepresenting the truth

youd make a FANTASTIC trump standin

[vapid smelt]

Can't be used in a car wash, rust, gas pedal getting stuck,trim falling off, the wiper not being powerful enough, finger injuries for the frunk, the tow hitch, no location for a spare tire for a truck that meant for off roading and work sites

[winged spire]

like its almost 1:1

You and him are incredibly similar

[vapid smelt]

Losing it's warranty if going off road

[winged spire]

idk about your political takes, but just the way you behave

its a pavement princess like many other trucks

[vapid smelt]

$1900 to replace the windshield

[dusky jacinth]

It's... A car, built like an oversimplified ute that looks like a bug (according to my mom), an angular mouse (according to me, lmao), a dumpster according to everyone else and raccoons, yet is marketed as a "truck".

[vapid smelt]

Ones with this dumb cover

[winged spire]

are we pretending that most truck owners go offroading now?

because the vast majority dont

[light tree]

1. I didnt washed it, so im not sure about that 2. The one i drove didnt had rust on it 3. Gas pedal was alright for the whole time 4. Trim was alright, i dont need to disasemble car that i didnt bought 5. Not sure about that 6. Who leaves fingers in the trunk while closing it??? 6. Dont abuse the damn hitch if yk it cant handle it, simple 7. Trunk.. literally just use some space there and put wheel there

[vapid smelt]

We count side walks yes

[winged spire]

Cool! if you wanna offroad dont buy a cybertruck

[rancid karma]

Should I install Linux on my old laptop?

[winged spire]

no we arent counting sidewalks lol

[light tree]

In snow its alright, just go slow and not full throttle 💀

[vapid smelt]

Y'all don't put salt on your roads in the winter?

[light tree]

"i drove it once" and had it for the whole day, yes

[dusky jacinth]

There's a small (even if not that insignificant) number of these that exist though, so like... I don't know.

[light tree]

We do, but if you want to go on snow, just dont go all out on the pedal

[winged spire]

that wasnt really the point, more of the VAST majority of trucks arent taken off road

the best selling car in america for the past 60 years is the f150, the majority of americans dont go offroading

[light tree]

Even that is more than you would ever, so for me, thats a win against you and your opinion about car you never handled

[dusky jacinth]

To be frank, most trucks regardless do not do well with slippery roads. In snow, only the ones equipped for it do well.

[winged spire]

by limitation of your warrany

[vapid smelt]

https://www.cars.com/research/tesla-cybertruck/recalls/

[light tree]

Ehh, debatable

They didnt, exactly, because i dont abuse car that is not 1000% my car

When you drive normally, nothing should fall off 💀💀 you should know that already

[vapid smelt]

Not in carwash mode and it gets bricked it's not under warranty ez money

[dusky jacinth]

You mean the +Paris Derek+ person?

[winged spire]

car wash mode literally just deactivates the wipers and the charge port door

obviously you dont want your wipers going off in a car wash or your charge port door opening during

[vapid smelt]

Idk driving on the highway is clearly abusing it

[dusky jacinth]

Honestly, I do agree with that.

[light tree]

Your point is attacking vehicle you never drove, and telling me it cant handle "fun stuff" that causes those issues, mostly as youtubers show (for example WhistlinDiesel)

[dusky jacinth]

It doesn't convey anything at all to anything...

[vapid smelt]

Because we have multiple statements and videos to say otherwise

[winged spire]

bro what the fuck is that last optioon

lmao'

[vapid smelt]

<@&750150305383186585> @robust knoll emote spamming

[light tree]

I got personal experience, i drove it, didnt abuse that car, and everything was alright, i dunno how y'all manage to destroy car so easily

[vapid smelt]

We cant say how bad north Korea prisons are because we have never been a prisoner

[vapid smelt]

We don't people drive it and the trim falls of resulting in a recall ALL cyber trucks

[light tree]

How does one manage that the panels "randomly" falls off 💀 there has to be something behind it tho

Welp, that aint my problem, it didnt happen to me while i had it, and while i had it, i used it with care, bcs i aint paying for car that is almost insane to get parts for in my country

But still, even recalls, that doesnt make it entirely shit without even you trying it out

Its not a problem i should be aware of while i have it in my hands, yes, so its good car as far as i can say

[winged spire]

oh lord

oh

warship can do just the reactions? thats pretty cool

[light tree]

Does having personal experience with the cybertruck make me a monster? No, so why do you want to attack me about that? When i have some experience with it and you have it all from the internet

[light tree]

Saw this on WhistlinDiesel video, didnt happen to me

[vapid smelt]

The fix is glue btw

[winged spire]

and nuts

[light tree]

The car had almost 70k km, so it was pretty much used by some people before me

[vapid smelt]

They probably mended all the issues then

[winged spire]

Yes

[light tree]

Its more usefull than from someone who never drove it

Hmmmm

Did you then drove 50k in one of them to talk about it??

[winged spire]

car reviewers are notorious for spending months driving the same car for tens of 1000s of miles

thats definitely how car reviews work forsure

[light tree]

I think not, so you are against your own words on this one

[vapid smelt]

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2024-tesla-cybertruck-damage-long-term-wrapup.html shame they have to restart since it got totalled before the one year mark

Can they hardly stay in the lot!

[light tree]

Its atleast good for innovations for cars over the whole world, sooo

[winged spire]

you just do it for the spirt of the game huh?

etherloop is particularly a super cool innovation

48 volt architecture is also super sikc

theyve fully redesigned the battery cooling/heatpump system for the better

[light tree]

Faster steer by wire? The tablet? The electronics they used in it? Atleast for me thats innovation, plus bullet-proof doors (kinda, depends on bullets used)

[winged spire]

all of which wil hopefully not only come to other teslas but all cars everwhere

Etherloop is now an openstandard anyone can use, a much nicer alternative to canbus

(much of it is)

[vapid smelt]

@light tree do you agree with the truck having bad blindspots

[sage quiver]

I hope that’s not a Jalopnik article

[dusky jacinth]

Looks... About the same as with the crossovers and car's I've driven in terms of visibility, including the one I already drive as is.

[light tree]

Ofc it has some blind spots, A-pillar is on every car for some point a blind spot

[dusky jacinth]

They've all gotten bad with blindspots, especially with A and C pillars.

[vapid smelt]

Pcmag by Doug

[winged spire]

the gigacastings making up the cybertruck is also another showcase of what pushing the boundery of what aluminum casting can do

The press in question:

[sage quiver]

A lot of cool tech went into the truck. It’s still a stupid design.

[winged spire]

Best take in this thread so far

[dusky jacinth]

Can't do that much about them though. We need those pillars to be as wide as they've gotten for safety reasons, especially in crashes and rollovers.

[dusky jacinth]

Absolutely agreed.

[alpine gale]

To be fair, this is how I feel about almost all Electric Vehicles at the moment. Lots of cool tech... with little thought about the functionality of each vehicle's interior and exterior design. Hello monostable shifter my old friend...

[light tree]

Design is not THAT bad, its just people dont like it being only electric, thats 1 problem, and 2nd is they just see American's bin instead of car

[winged spire]

Rivian my beloved

If only they didnt start at 69,000$ (nice)

[light tree]

Anyway, 1am here, im going to sleep

[vapid smelt]

I'm fucked in a roll over my pillars are smoll but my visibility is amazing

[alpine gale]

If I were forced to buy an EV right now, it'd be a Rivian SUV or whatever Hyundai Ionic # they're on. But I'd still hate operating both on a regular basis due to the design of their dashboards / interiors.

[winged spire]

The single worst UX design in any car is that new Bug

[sage quiver]

The Rivian R1T is a beautiful vehicle. This isn’t about EV vs ICE, it’s about questionable decisions being made just to be different.

[winged spire]

yall seen it?

sorry not the bug

the new mini coup

mf circle screen bro what is this

how is this a real car

who thought that would be a good idea

[vapid smelt]

How expensive is a circle screen lmao

[winged spire]

how am I suppose to watch netflix on it 😭

[sage quiver]

If Tesla made a more traditional truck with actual utility in mind rather than vanity, the F150 Lightning would not be outselling it.

[vapid smelt]

Truckla

[limber stratus]

mini signature

[alpine gale]

To be fair... Mini's dashboards have looked like space-age alien tech for at least 10-15 years. I'm not saying that in a good or bad way... but they've had variations of that round display thing for a long time. It's really jarring to hop in one, even for a test drive, cause you have to re-learn where everything is located.

[winged spire]

The cybertruck is what happens when you let a man child demand a car design from some of the worlds best engineers

[sage quiver]

It’s their signature shape, and they stuck to it rather than do something practical

[winged spire]

canbus FUCKING SUCKS I hate canbus

[sage quiver]

With how NACS is taking off…

[dusky jacinth]

Well, I'd say it's mostly lopsided with the focus a lot of them do with them.
Ford's is just overkill with their dash design for the Mach E (which I've been inside of, being my sister's car that she got recently).

The Cybertruck's interior is... Strangely way nicer than the exterior, which I've also gotten to go inside of too, though I've only done so briefly for a display unit and I'm apprehensive of any defects.

I still like the Taycan, but then like... Kinda leaves me on the fence, since you can literally get any other vehicle from Porsche and probably end up with something great anyway.

Hyundai is really the only one I can actually compliment for having something cool, but even then, I'm still on the fence with all-electrics.

[winged spire]

Theyll literally have to put me in the loony bin to work with canbus ever again

[winged spire]

NACS is a sick charging standard, more versatile than CCS2 both on the low power and high power sides as well as being physically smaller

Rivian should offer a NACS charging port option

[sage quiver]

I thought they’re transitioning?

[winged spire]

Im not sure

[sage quiver]

Or is it only on R2+

[winged spire]

theyre still building rivian chargers with CCS2

[sage quiver]

Just switch to CHAdeMO duh

[winged spire]

WHAT

WARSHIP IS GAINING SENTIENCE

[vapid smelt]

It's such a good design it can't tow goose neck trailers without an adapter

[winged spire]

blud

there aint no cows in there

hmmmm