public-chat

[median idol]

Yes

Though memes aside

It's $2100 USD

And Micro Center (if applicable) has it for 2 grand USD

[supple pawn]

Actually drone makes much more sense with that picture lol

[dire cloak]

hi

[primal cairn]

they are decommissioned cpus

i doubt it still works but they are real

[violet gate]

I heard Linus' pronouns are tech/tip

[tranquil yacht]

Any recommended places to browse for DDR3 RAM?

I found this listing on NewEgg.

Amazon's offering looks attractive

[prisma spire]

what about ebay? seems a bit much to pay for ddr3

[tranquil yacht]

🤔

[prisma spire]

hmm

[tranquil yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[prisma spire]

be careful, that listing is for ecc memory

[tranquil yacht]

Yeah, I don't think my motherboard has ECC support. Let me see other offerings.

[tranquil yacht]

I found another listing. These don't appear to be ECC memory.

[gilded quest]

You have a bookmark folder dedicated entirely to Hispanic men?

[tranquil yacht]

?

[gilded quest]

Manuels

[gilded quest]

I think you mean to label it Manuals

[tranquil yacht]

The dangers of typos.

The funny thing is that typo existed for years.

[gilded quest]

I'm not trying to kink shame you

[tranquil yacht]

Thanks for pointing out the typo LMAO

[gilded quest]

It's okay to have a folder dedicated to lovely Manuels

[prisma spire]

lmao

[tranquil yacht]

I didn't know "Manuels" was a kink. 💀 What have you guys been reading?

[winged spire]

Carbon layed

[tranquil yacht]

Bet next you're going to say some perfectly normal sentence is kinky or something.

Like that one guy from another server who thought "no, we do not come in peace 🪿" was some cryptic kinky talk.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910751962071441418/919983543503949914/pain.gif

Anyways, what you guys think of this listing? #public-chat message

[winged spire]

Bagged

[tranquil yacht]

.>

Whelp since the convo has moved on... Guess I'm buying the RAM sticks.

I don't know about buying something from the US, but looks like I don't have a choice.

[gilded quest]

You have a consumer motherboard? Presumably early generation core i?

[tranquil yacht]

It's a motherboard for an Intel i5-2XXX CPU

And I'm playing safe by assuming it's a consumer board.

So DDR3 non ECC RAM

[gilded quest]

Whack ddr3 is more expensive that I expected

I guess there's sort of a minimum cost to selling on ebay

[tranquil yacht]

Well, DDR3 getting harder to come by since many of us are already on DDR4 and moving to DDR5.

[gilded quest]

Yeah, nobody is upgrading and offloading cheap anymore

A lot of it has died or been ewasted, thrown away, or simply lost

[tranquil yacht]

Yeah

[gilded quest]

Or sold off to other countries for cheap

Considering how many listings I see shipped from china

[tranquil yacht]

I wonder why...

[gilded quest]

Because that's where all the used ddr3 platforms ended up in volume

[rustic tundra]

ddr5 is having the same situation as w11

half a decade old and majority of people dont wanna switch

lmfaoo

[tranquil yacht]

Yeah, a lot of decommissioned electronics end up going to China and other SEA countries for "recycling".

[gilded quest]

To ddr5?

[tranquil yacht]

Hmmmm... Not sure if it's people not wanting to switch or it's people can't afford the switch. 🤔

[rustic tundra]

sounds like it

both

[gilded quest]

I don't think ddr5 itself is that expensive in other regions

[rustic tundra]

ddr5 is becoming cheaper

w11 is another story

[gilded quest]

It's the newer platform boards and CPUs that are quite pricey outside of North america/western Europe

Cause ram is a commodity

[rustic tundra]

i will buy cudimm to feel little more rich than majority

[gilded quest]

Sure regions will have different pricing depending on shipping costs, relative market strength, tariffs, VAT, etc

[tranquil yacht]

DDR5 is appealing, but I don't have a reason to switch. Mostly because I'm stuck on AM4.

[gilded quest]

But overall it's not like GPU pricing in other regions

[rustic tundra]

in some regions ddr4 is a premium

[tranquil yacht]

Russia

[rustic tundra]

despite it being a decade old

[gilded quest]

Okay that doesn't count lmao

[tranquil yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785223170470051840/916670412816019496/3x.gif

[gilded quest]

Russia and NK are special

[rustic tundra]

in russia you dont have ddr4, the ddr4 has you

[nova sky]

All my space is being taken up on my 500gb hard drive, i dont know whats taking up all the space, is there a way for my computer to deep deep clean itself?

[tranquil yacht]

Canada is where everything is expensive. Most of the time I have to buy used. 💀

[rustic tundra]

you throw away the “hard drive” and buy an ssd

🤓

ok who the hell still calls drives hard drives

[tranquil yacht]

If your HDD is your boot drive, use the disk cleanup utility in Windows.

[gilded quest]

Use a drill press to clear out the old bits

[rustic tundra]

if you have a hdd as a system drive then what are you doing with your life

[tranquil yacht]

They poor

[rustic tundra]

people cant be that poor dude

ssds can be cheap as dirt these days

[tranquil yacht]

In Canada, yes

Have you seen the house prices? 💀

[nova sky]

idk jack shid about pc storage parts, im not sure if its an ssd or hdd issue

[rustic tundra]

helping people with no computer knowledge about computer stuff is tough

[tranquil yacht]

Have you watched a single LTT video at all?

[rustic tundra]

bro watched 10 seconds

and clicked off when sponsor

[nova sky]

i have but i usually dont pay attention to storage specs on parts

[tranquil yacht]

Okay, HDD stands for Hard Disk Drive aka hard drive. SSD stands for solid state drive.

[rustic tundra]

aka drive

im not wrong for calling drives drives

[nova sky]

drivers drive

[rustic tundra]

“hard drive” is such a outdated term

[tranquil yacht]

Hard drives are mechanical since they use a spinning disk. SSD use tech similar to USB drives to store data so no mechanical parts.

[rustic tundra]

whoever refers to drives as that is either a boomer or a 15 year old who just got a new e waste laptop instead of working

[grim belfry]

[nova sky]

15, usually looking for frames but now i need storage

[tranquil yacht]

SSD better for speed. HDD better for capacity. (Basically)

[rustic tundra]

throw it out and put something bigger

[nova sky]

what does speed have to do with storage?

[grim belfry]

Grammaly is free. an*

[rustic tundra]

is

[tranquil yacht]

Think how long it takes for Windows to load when you boot your PC or how long you have to wait for a game to load.

[rustic tundra]

so it doesnt choke when reading multiple bits lmfao

[nova sky]

oh

[rustic tundra]

better speed means it reads and writes things faster

[tranquil yacht]

SSD the speed demon of long tern storage.

Just don't get those cache-less SATA SSD.

[rustic tundra]

i picked whatever i felt should be reliable

i could just buy new drives if they fail

not a big deal

[tranquil yacht]

I heard some cheap SSD are worse than HDD because of the missing cache.

I think LTT even tested one.

[rustic tundra]

my previous boot drive was a ass 30 euro sata

comparable in speed to a high end hdd

it worked fine

[tranquil yacht]

Eh, if it works, it works.

[rustic tundra]

the health degraded

so i got something else

this time i replaced both drives

should be reliable enough

[gilded quest]

Better than .....nvm

[rustic tundra]

i sure do hope they are reliable

im not a master nerd in storage units

all i know is that they are tlc

[tranquil yacht]

As long as you take the time to carefully read and judge the reviews, you'll be just fine.

[rustic tundra]

it had a lot of 5 star reviews

i had to update firmware

[tranquil yacht]

All 5 star from a few people is sus. Less than 5 star with hundreds or thousands of people probably safe. Of course it'll depend on the marketplace.

[rustic tundra]

in general

majority were 5 star

look up

wd blue sn580

i see wd i buy

[tranquil yacht]

Kingstone.....

I recognise that model.

It's...

...decent.

[rustic tundra]

peak reliability

[long briar]

SSD referred to hard drive is just incorrect and does usually come from a place where the person grew up with hard drives rather than SSDs. Hard drives itself is still the correct term for spinning drives.

[tranquil yacht]

Nothing special. Just a typical SSD.

[long briar]

could tell

Kingston is alright - NV series is pretty meh

but their warranty rocks

[rustic tundra]

generic ssd

from a brand that makings indestructible hdds

[rustic tundra]

i grew up with hdds and now i am a passionate hdd hater

[long briar]

L bozo ig

[rustic tundra]

i tried w10 on a hdd and it was HORRID

[long briar]

find the cheapest sub 200 dollar 8tb ssd ig

[tranquil yacht]

I'm the type that heavy utilise the hybrid approach of using a SSD for booting and program loading and HDDs for data storage and backups.

[rustic tundra]

i have no usage scenario for a hdd

[tranquil yacht]

It's the most cost effective solution for me.

[gilded quest]

I no longer have any purpose for HDDs in client systems

[long briar]

I'm the type to use purely SSD in my systems

4tb of SSD in my desktop

[gilded quest]

Anything that requires HDD storage size, for me, is also gonna be fine with networked latency and will live on my NAS, where it has the benefits of RAID and a backup

[long briar]

I don't technically use raid but ZFS is actually awesome

10/10 recommend

[gilded quest]

I phased out my 2.5" SSDs recently
All m.2 nvme for me now

[long briar]

ya

[tranquil yacht]

I understand the appeal of purely SSD. SSDs have gotten cheaper with greater capacity as well as improvements in speed. Unfortunately, my area has catch up to do in bringing the prices down.

[long briar]

I've got an itx build so I just have nvme

[tranquil yacht]

Oh yeah... There's also the issue of limited motherboard NVMe slots compare to SATA

[gilded quest]

Many people would argue modern boards have too many m.2 slots

[long briar]

itx boards are 2 or 3, most atx and matx boards are 3 if not more

that's not enough?

[gilded quest]

Lots have 5 m.2 today

[long briar]

ya 3 slots is on budget boards

[tranquil yacht]

Hmmmm... How well are those PCI lanes gonna hold up?

[long briar]

fine?

I'm confused what are you worried about?

[tranquil yacht]

Whelp, looks like I'll start saving up

[tranquil yacht]

Probably the longevity of the flash chips in a SSD.

[long briar]

are you writing to them 24/7?

[tranquil yacht]

Well... It's a server I'm speaking of so yes.

[long briar]

the SSD I've been constantly writing to (screencap) has 23TBW

23 terabytes written to

the drive is rated for... 1500

[tranquil yacht]

1500 what? Apples? Oranges?

[long briar]

sigh I see the server intelligence is down today

[tranquil yacht]

Okay Squidward

[long briar]

I first say 23TBW, then say 23 Terabytes written, then say 1500

OH GEE I WONDER

[tepid jasper]

is it ever up

(no)

[tranquil yacht]

Never

This is Discord >:]

The meaning of chaos

[winged spire]

He doesn’t even know

What are they doing 🤨

9 gimbaling engines, 4 fixed

[tiny halo]

Not too dangerous, bit bad

[neat gull]

Sept-Nov of 2024 is happening again

I’m so confused

Is this just supply and demand

[tall totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxuNasvbOyA
Need a video on this asap

[violet gate]

I backup regularly. Perfect use case for an HDD

[inland dove]

Balls

Krishna balls

L poo poo

Imma touch urs

[violet gate]

thats illegal

[inland dove]

Says who

[violet gate]

Jesus

[inland dove]

I have permission

[violet gate]

naw

[inland dove]

He said so

In private

Cuz irl he's my friend and I'm sitting next to him

[violet gate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-gif-24248233

[inland dove]

Ok buddy

Diddy party time

[violet gate]

well, it's relative

[inland dove]

You

[mint yacht]

[buoyant bramble]

Need a little help

please

[hot mulch]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[buoyant bramble]

Need help installing Sideloader

[viscid elm]

what issues are you having

[buoyant bramble]

.....

[grim belfry]

help

[buoyant bramble]

So I downloaded the zip file & sidestore.ipa , extracted them both

[grim belfry]

There you go, I gave you help

[buoyant bramble]

Now I got stuck

[buoyant bramble]

You didn't

[hot mulch]

techbro community dont be inssufferable challenge (impossible)

(this includes me)

[grim belfry]

#public-chat message

[buoyant bramble]

Still don't helping.

[hot mulch]

have you tried asking chatgpt or google?

"I have a insert phone and im trying to sideload app how do i do this"

[buoyant bramble]

Didn't find anything helpful

[manic torrent]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

https://sidetalking.com/

[buoyant robin]

What 3rd party keyboard does everyone else use. My old man doesn't like the google keyboard on his new phone.
He wants to type "konichiwa" instead of こにちわ, if I'm making any sense. He liked the samsung keyboard.

[buoyant bramble]

I think I didn't completely installed it..

I got upset 😒

[pastel haven]

I am so hyped rn omg

[buoyant bramble]

why?

[grim belfry]

Romaji input is the proper wording you're after :)

[pastel haven]

Uhh imma talk w my crush

[pastel haven]

I use Microsoft SwiftKey

[pastel haven]

So does linus afaik

[buoyant robin]

Sorry, I think my explanation is just bad. The keyboard needs to stay in English rather than switching to different characters.

[pastel haven]

And i also use dvorak

[grim belfry]

Romaji input shows a keyboard with latin characters, when typed, they turn into kanji hiragana and the other one

Or did you just want an english keyboard

[buoyant robin]

Okay, Microsoft Swiftkey was the solution. Looks exactly like Samsung keyboard.

[pastel haven]

2 and a half hours and i will talk w my crush omg I'm scared

[golden chasm]

that's the right mindset 💪

[heavy pine]

where do i go i I need help for my PC problems ?

[rigid tartan]

try #1027757333117415424

[grim belfry]

To the Genius Bar, duh

[viral moth]

Whats the best/fastest 1440p ips monitor right now is it Pg27aqn?

[rustic tundra]

that one 480hz lg

but that ones a woled

[viral moth]

Unfortuanately, I have to give up on Oleds, I work too much with static display

[viscid elm]

24/7 kinda static?

[rustic tundra]

i own an oled and i have a lot of static on my screen lmao

400 hours in and nothing wrong

if you want an oled dont get a unreliable qd oled

pick woled

i dont even hide my taskbar

it has a auto dimming feature that blurs the taskbar and dims static ui elements

screen move is also a thing

[pastel haven]

Best buy geek squad

[mint yacht]

It's not 2017, OLEDs are extremely 'safe' to use in that regard now

[rustic tundra]

i can absolutely say that oleds are reliable these days except qd oled

[viscid elm]

why you dissing on ma boy QD-OLED?

[rustic tundra]

unreliable

[viscid elm]

no

[rustic tundra]

it uses blue oled which is the least reliable oled color

[viscid elm]

least reliable in what way

[rustic tundra]

i use white and its very reliable

in lifespan

[fossil frost]

in a made up way, with nothing to back it up

[rustic tundra]

blue oled dies faster than any other color

[viscid elm]

anything to back that up

[rustic tundra]

you should read about that

[viscid elm]

just about to say

[viscid elm]

links?

[rustic tundra]

blue oled has questionable lifespan

[fossil frost]

you made the claim, thats on you to back it up

[rustic tundra]

search it lmfao

[viscid elm]

your the one who alreay has done so

so i wanna read the same papers you did

[fossil frost]

so, its bullshit then

[rustic tundra]

many sources say blue oled

[viscid elm]

so give me one

[rustic tundra]

blue degrades faster than green or red

[viscid elm]

GIVE ME A SOURCE

i wanna see the speed of degredation in a paper

[rustic tundra]

cant send pics so just google "which oled color degrades the fastest"

it straight out says blue

[viscid elm]

no i want to read the same sources you did

[fossil frost]

send the links you read

[rustic tundra]

dude just search that

found 2 say blue degrades fastest

[viscid elm]

why are you not sending the link to your source

[viscid elm]

ok so send it here

[turbid oriole]

https://www.ossila.com/pages/oled-burn-in#:~:text=For instance%2C blue OLED materials,uneven wear and visible ghosting.

I think this is what they’re referencing

[fossil frost]

thats a summary from an LLM, not an actual source of information

[rustic tundra]

we all get the same result

[turbid oriole]

That’s why I sent a link too

[viscid elm]

that is a blog post

[viscid elm]

no send the link so you can site your source

[rustic tundra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED#Efficiency_of_blue_OLEDs

maybe that works too

[turbid oriole]

Idk what to tell you, I’m just sending you what I think he’s referencing

[fossil frost]

ah. the actual paper is here https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.3c03317# and it more or less comes down to a sampling bias

[toxic solar]

can anyone confirm if I won the Silicon lottery?

[rustic tundra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED#Degradation unsure about modern oled but blue has least lifespan in here

[viscid elm]

XD, its possible qd oled is more resistant

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/Cambridge-University-researchers-may-have-solved-OLED-burn-in-once-and-for-all

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-024-01812-4?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045408&CJEVENT=21a21690e66011ee80f1d7420a18ba74

[heavy pine]

any tech expert on here?

need help with gpu

[rustic tundra]

bullshit

[mint yacht]

Compare on hwbot

[rustic tundra]

blue still degrades the fastest

[viral moth]

Anyone knew answer

[viscid elm]

by what amount faster

[fossil frost]

the actual scientific paper is here https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.3c03317# and, as you can see in figure 5, there are FAR more samples in the blue OLEDs, but, if you look and red green and white, there are samples in there too, showing that the spread of their lifespan is roughly the same. and with green and red having a FEW out there with slightly better life span, but on the whole, the average is that they are all about the same, if you compensate for the sampling bias

[mint yacht]

Did you read what it said
Perhaps the 'in 2012' part
It's 2025
Tech has progressed quite far

[viscid elm]

my source was published in 2024

[fossil frost]

you are stating DOES degrade faster, as a fact.. its CAN degrade faster... but not always.. it depends on the quality of the panel and the electronics around it, and, they CAN last just as long as any others

[mint yacht]

Worrying about OLED degradation in this day and age is funny

[fossil frost]

same people who are still crying "dont use amd, drivers bad"... its almost like things change over time

[toxic solar]

I've never used hwbot 😖

[viscid elm]

while amd drivers are now sitting and being perfect at launch while nvidia can barely even display a image

[rustic tundra]

now that is bullshit

i never had my drivers fail to display an image

[viscid elm]

we are talking about launch drivers

[fossil frost]

the 50 series had beta vbios that has been updated twice since release via a driver update, and the drivers are just as beta, its in the nvidia release notes

[primal cairn]

Guys I have populated these slots, from what I've read online, it seems to be the optimal setup with no lane sharing. Am I right?

[rustic tundra]

50 series sucks anyway

[grim belfry]

Read the manual

[viscid elm]

it took what 2-3 months to even give out any form for a fix

[primal cairn]

Don't have it with me now, I'm not at home where it is

[bitter harbor]

Yes but that does not negate that it is still a thing.

[fossil frost]

we dont know what motherboard that is, or what cpu you have, and, you have the manual, we dont

[grim belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-gif-9641974

[fossil frost]

"i cant see it, so its not a problem" 😄

[grim belfry]

The InterWebz™️ can help with that

[primal cairn]

Rog crosshair x870e hero

The internet said it is optimal

[fossil frost]

then google that, get the manual, and read that, it will tell you

[primal cairn]

But I have to ask here since I trust you guys

[toxic solar]

oh cool! I'm 3rd best with the same HW 👌 🇮🇪

[grim belfry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness

[rustic tundra]

vro buys assus

[fossil frost]

you are asking us, to do for you, what we are telling you to do

[bitter harbor]

There is an onion video on something really similar to this and I find that funny.

[primal cairn]

I thought it wasn't available online

[fossil frost]

all manuals are online, on their website

it just requires a few seconds of basic thought to look for and find

[viscid elm]

it always is

[bitter harbor]

That would definitely be a first.

[viscid elm]

tell me a manual that is not online

[rustic tundra]

are there not better options than asus?

[viscid elm]

product not brand

[rustic tundra]

the brand 100

[viscid elm]

what

[fossil frost]

try not being a troll for 5 minutes please

[viscid elm]

you buy a produt not a brand

[rustic tundra]

dude where do i troll

[fossil frost]

more or less always, you are a massive contrarian, you go out of your way to bitch about others choices, and then spit in the face of evidence that you are wrong, and continue arguing that you are right, with zero ability to give any backup at all.. you are doing nothing other than vommiting up bullshit you thought you heard somewhere

[viscid elm]

first you did not site your source and when you did it was from a 13 year old source

[frosty herald]

hey im building a pc nd currently picking a cpu that would work well for a 9070xt. im in poland nd trying to pick a cpu under 1000 pln. i narrowed it down to either a ryzen 7 7700 and a ryzen 5 7500f. the 7500f is 800 pln while the 7700 is almost 1000. is there a big difrence betwen them or are there some other better options?

[fossil frost]

you havnt told us what you are trying to do with your system, what you plan to do defines what cpu you should get, not what gpu you have

[rustic tundra]

isnt intel cheaper in the low end?

[frosty herald]

its mainly for gaming, im doing some video editing but not on a profesional level. multitasking at most is playing a game on one monitor and a video or music on the other.

also coding

[viscid elm]

he is not going low end

[fossil frost]

personal, or professional?

[rustic tundra]

7500f is quite low end

[frosty herald]

profesional

[fossil frost]

7700 then. more cores is more better

[rustic tundra]

then intel

[fossil frost]

ignore this troll ^

[rustic tundra]

isnt intel literally better in anything other than gaming?

[viral moth]

OLEDs still have a tendency to burn in, and I don’t want to deal with that. I spend 80% of my day working and only 20% gaming, so I use Excel and other applications too much to risk burn-in issues. I’d rather get an IPS monitor and have peace of mind. Besides, when I upgrade in the future, this monitor will become my second or third, so I want it to last at least 5-8 years.

[fossil frost]

<@&750150305383186585> at what point does this guy being a contrarian, rage baiter and general troll, become too much?

[rustic tundra]

chill

let bro pick whats better

just suggesting something that could work out better with multitasking

[fossil frost]

when developing software, especially professionally, the more cores you have, the quicker you get through builds, the more tools you can run at the same time, the more you can get done in the same space of time, and the less hassle you get from your system. so.. if you can afford the 7700, get that, but realistically. you should buy the most powerful cpu you can justify affording to yourself. personally, i would go for the 7950, because, all the cores... but only because that falls within my budget, its not for everyone

[fossil frost]

you are suggesting wrong, and being contrarian, again

[rustic tundra]

and youre acting as if amd is the best

[frosty herald]

i mean im still starting out collage so i dont need best of the best. that will be in a year or so nd by then i could land a solid entrance job. i made sure its also an am5 slot so i can upgrade when i do have the mone

[fossil frost]

they gave options they have already decided on, i told them what was the best of those from their requirements

[rustic tundra]

question is if bro even checked intel

[fossil frost]

you dont need the 7950 or the 9950, or whatever x950 is out at that point, until your system is making money for you.. at that point, its worth it, until then, its not worth it

[bitter harbor]

Irrelevant to the question they were asking.

[fossil frost]

7700 is a nice balance for gaming, and enough cores for dev

[frosty herald]

yea i think so too, i think by the time i buy its gonna get cheaper too, i was just thinking if paying 26 bucks for 2 more cores is worth

[rustic tundra]

what about 14600

[fossil frost]

yeah, its worth it

[rustic tundra]

or 245k

nvm 245k not as good

[bitter harbor]

No upgrade at all.

[fossil frost]

especially when you look at how much you have paid for the other cores, that 26 for an extra couple of cores is a fantastic value

[bitter harbor]

That is just 15th gen.

[rustic tundra]

there is no 15th gen

that is 2nd gen

i see no 15 in the name

[frosty herald]

yea, also i was worrying abt bottlenecking but after looking into it aparently my pc is 26 percent bottlenecked by those calculator sites when in reality it runs fine

like maybe 2 fps loss

[rustic tundra]

dont trust those calculators

[bitter harbor]

I am calling it that because the current system is dumb as heck

[rustic tundra]

they are always wrong

[fossil frost]

given how you just described "bottlenecking", you dont understand what a bottleneck is, so its not worth you worrying about

[rustic tundra]

but its a 2nd gen

[frosty herald]

pretty much

[fossil frost]

and brom has just said the only sane thing they have said all day... those calculators are fucking terrible, and only exist to serve ads and make money from people who dont understand what a bottleneck is

[rustic tundra]

the 2 means generation/series

185h is gen 1, 285k is gen 2

next is 385k

[fossil frost]

yes, we all know.. its the 2nd gen of the new naming system... but its also the 15th generation of the architecture.. the name stamped on the box, doesnt mean its not 15th gen of the architecture

[rustic tundra]

then lets count the whole core series including original core and core 2

[fossil frost]

core2 and the i series, are different architectures

[bitter harbor]

12th gen, 13th gen, 14th gen/1st gen, 2nd gen. Yeah. That makes me hate the naming even more.

[rustic tundra]

so is the new core lmfao

[fossil frost]

the i and the new name, are the same architecture

[rustic tundra]

there is a difference between arrow lake and raptor lake

[bitter harbor]

Just like with Alder and Raptor lake

[fossil frost]

noope, between core2 and the i series, intel dramatically changed how the cpus were designed and made, the architecture was fundamentally different. between the i series and the new series, it was just an incremental update, no fundamental change... all they did was change the name to make it seem new. which is why, when the new naming system came out, everybody was mad about it, because it was just the 15th gen with a different name

[rustic tundra]

they are not the same with that

[civic fox]

ik the 12700KF is 12 gen but what one is that again (i'm refering to raptor lake names etc)

[bitter harbor]

Please cite a bit more than “nuh uh”

[rustic tundra]

amd shill

[civic fox]

btw the performance lift from the i3-13100F to the i7-12700KF are really good

[bitter harbor]

We found the User Benchmark alt account.

[civic fox]

i used to use that site, now its either techpowerup, or technical city or whatever the specific name is

[bitter harbor]

“If you can’t cite a counter example, they are a shill.”

[fossil frost]

it feels closer to "im right, you are wrong... my dad is bigger than your dad" playground shit

[pastel haven]

I fucked up

[fossil frost]

musk claims X was taken offline by ukraine... literally everyone else points out that hes talking bollocks, with evidence... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62x5k44rl0o 😄

[bitter harbor]

I would be surprised, but I have lost count that guy has refused to take accountability for anything

[heavy pine]

4070ti super goes lound and fan max randomly.. monitor goes black and i hae to restart pc to fix.. Happens randomly even when not gaming.. any Ideas??

[viscid elm]

XD he got muted

[fossil frost]

Over heating. But couldn't say why. How old is it?

[heavy pine]

new.. 5 or 7 months old only

why the overheat when pc not in use?

[fossil frost]

You buy it new?

[heavy pine]

yes i bought it new

built the pc 6 months back

[viscid elm]

did you update drivers?

[heavy pine]

this started randomly few days ago.. and idk what to do google has no answer

i have updated everything other than bio

is gpu bio update must?

[viscid elm]

no

but gpu driver is

[heavy pine]

everything is updated

[viscid elm]

aaaa yeah heard of this, gpu is dead

[heavy pine]

huh??

[viscid elm]

tried a DDU?

[heavy pine]

for real? how can you say that

[heavy pine]

im a bit of boomer.. whats DDU?

[viscid elm]

reasons

[viscid elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn8z39tiEL0

[viscid elm]

i have seen these issues in tech support and they tend to end in gpu failure

and the person has to send it in for RMA

[heavy pine]

show i get it exchanged?

replaced

[viscid elm]

well first they will try to fix it

wait what PSU do you have

[fossil frost]

usually they will just send another out in its place, that has already been fixed, and then fix yours, and yours gets sent to the next person with this issue

[heavy pine]

ok then.. i was hoping for some answers.. so i can either fix or give it back.. Thanks

[viscid elm]

and do you have another computer

[heavy pine]

bruhhh..

what if my gpu is better and newer and theirs is older more used wtf

[fossil frost]

thats not a thing

[viscid elm]

ffs

they send the same gpu version

its just a different unit

[heavy pine]

nah.. build this one with my sweat and tears ... 😭

[fossil frost]

exact identical same gpu, just a different unit

[viscid elm]

what PSU

well not exact

almost

[heavy pine]

750w

[viscid elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-oops-gif-25712345

[viscid elm]

model

wait what cpu'

[fossil frost]

thats a power rating, not a make and model

[heavy pine]

i5 14600k

[viscid elm]

that is fine but psu model

[heavy pine]

aww shit lemme see

[viscid elm]

14600k and 4070 ti super i say like max 600w with some extra stuff

[heavy pine]

nzxt c750 bronze

[heavy pine]

there

[viscid elm]

c+

i am like 70% sure its gpu and like 29 its psu

it is possible the cpu is overheating

[heavy pine]

sooo.. i should take my rig and get both checked

[viscid elm]

what cooler are you using and what temps are the gpu and cpu

[heavy pine]

ok.. I did stress testing on cpu and it goes around 90' when all cores are tested

while gaming im on 60'

[viscid elm]

if it still does it after a ddu and driver reinstall then RMA it

[heavy pine]

cooler ant esports 3 fan liquid cooler

[grim belfry]

[heavy pine]

ill watch that vid and do the said DDU.. thanks ill come back to you good sir

[fossil frost]

looks similar to the support team's commit logs at work "fix" "fix" "real fix" "better fix"

[viscid elm]

actual fix

actual actual fix

[fossil frost]

"final fix"

[viscid elm]

actual final fix

[grim belfry]

Final final final (new).docx

[viscid elm]

Final final final (new)1.docx

[grim belfry]

Final final final (new)(1)(Copy).docx

[heavy pine]

funny

is this DDU thing risky?

if I dont know what i am doind

[fossil frost]

no, it just fully removes the drivers for your gpu, which forces it to fall back to the vesa drivers that ship with windows... so you can then do a real clean install of your drivers

[viscid elm]

no risk

[heavy pine]

thanks.. Man pub chat is more helpful then the support

[viscid elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27111796

[fossil frost]

not really, theres just more people here, so you get a quicker answer here, its not always the best answer

in this case.. it is... but... best thing to do is post in support, and wait

people dont know how to wait these days

[heavy pine]

btw is my cooler good? for 14600k? liquid cooler ant esports 3 fan 120mm

[wary summit]

yea just be happy it ain’t a 14900K u need to cool

[raven elbow]

Hey guys what is the technical name for the 4060 that has 16 GB ? is that considered a TI super

[bitter harbor]

Just "RTX 4060 Ti 16gb"

If it was a super, there wouldn't be a price increase over the 8gb model this time round

[raven elbow]

Appreciated. Do you happen to know if the 9070 XT smoked the 4060 ti 16gb with Ray tracing on?

[bitter harbor]

I don’t know. It is best though to do your own research here and compare numbers from different results.

[raven elbow]

OK, I’m just gonna watch Linus video

[viscid elm]

Yes

[raven elbow]

Yes the 9070 xt smoked the 4060 ti 16b with ray tracing on?

[tiny halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193783296917507/1347927425484328980/9tybob2zgac.gif

[raven elbow]

lol

All I get is a trust me bro everywhere I look about this 4060 TI. Like I generally trust the tech community, but I can’t find any benchmarks for the 4060 TI 16 GB for black Miss Wong like they did on the LTT video for 9070xt

[tidal glade]

nobody talks about it because it's a really brutal card

don't buy one

[oblique leaf]

Greetings, Guys!

[hearty spear]

becuase the 16gb version had one use: AI Modeling

Otherwise it was overpriced garbage

NVidia was charging a huge premium for 8GB of VRAM for no good reason

and since the GPU Cores are literally identical? it's not any faster in games, unless you need over 8GB.

and on a 4060, that's... not super likely to be a thing.

[warped badger]

hi

[raven elbow]

I really appreciate the full thought out answer. The link I’m about to send is the Amazon would you care to tell me your thoughts on this computer? This is with the caveat that I don’t really have a choice. I have to buy a computer.

[hearty spear]

if you want to buy a prebuilt? Buy one. I won't stop people from doing it.

[raven elbow]

OK, I’ll just give you the specs. It is a Amazon sky tech ryzen 7 7700 , RX 9070 XT , one terabyte NVME, 16 gig of ram, 850 W PSU

[raven elbow]

The 16 GB of RAM is kind of poopy

[raven elbow]

I can send you the link to the Amazon if you’re OK with opening the link

[hearty spear]

yeah? but for most things 16GB is still fine.

I'll click on amazon

[raven elbow]

Otherwise, it is called a sky tech blaze 4

https://a.co/d/9u5Lb42

[hearty spear]

So, depending on what you want to count the value of the GPU, that's 1400-1600$ in parts.

So, that's not horribly priced for an OEM, and Sky Tech has typically done fairly well in coverage.

[raven elbow]

And one more thing on the product description does it say how many NVME slot it have. I need a computer with at least one extra NVME slot besides the one on the board.

I’m sorry not to put all the burden on you, I have to take the kids to school and I know you might be busy later so just asking for your final thoughts on the product. Really appreciate it.

❤️

[hearty spear]

second slot there

[raven elbow]

OK, perfect!

Ty ❤️

[hearty spear]

np. it's a solid box with very reasonable parts

you may eventually want to upgrade the RAM, but that's easy to swap

[crude vortex]

hi guys

im done w my finals

im gonna annoy y'all now

[pastel marsh]

300w augta be enough for anyone

[torpid zenith]

Is there something that exists that can turn 1 PCIE slot into 2? Like a splitter cable or something? Couldn’t find anything on google

[ripe meadow]

There should be

[hearty spear]

not easily. What are you trying to do

[hearty spear]

basically you'd need an adapter that would include a hardware bifurcation chip, since the board is unlikely to support splitting it like that.

You'd also need to keep an eye on how much power the two cards would draw, as the larger slot wouldn't have enough power delivery for two slots.

which is something that can exist? But it wouldn't be a cheap product to get.

[knotty lodge]

Its such a girl moment to have ice-cream and then complain your cokd

Damm it, cold*

[full fossil]

very cokd indeed

[molten drift]

men do that to, its not exclusive to women

[quiet sable]

???

[dense quail]

Am I the only person who gets genuinely mind boggled that we're at the stage where GTA 5 runs better on a handheld than it did on your old phat PS3?

Like it's a real "what the fuck" moment for me every now and then

[oak pier]

eh, given the time between those two, and the volume difference not really

[muted relic]

How is it that the main LinusTechTips site doesn't have any links to LTTstore or Labs?

[hybrid quail]

Howdy

[loud blaze]

hey

[dense quail]

What age are you

I'm just talking about it from a "I used to play this on a giant brick and now I play it in my hands" prospective. Not looking at it that objectively.

[oak pier]

old enough to have a fat ps3 when it came out

[dense quail]

Guess it just depends how you look at it in the moment

[slim owl]

Anyone here good with flags?

[sharp bone]

I still can't believe linus managed to pull off and get away with that breadcoin scam he did on his channel nearly 2 years ago

[winged spire]

What

The hack?

[sharp bone]

Joke

I made the best from that channel hack 2 years ago

[terse igloo]

nom

[short rock]

dear microsoft,

the fuck?

[earnest cedar]

lol the intro to the latest video reminded me of my friends dad, the only game he ever played was black ops on the xbox 360 with bots and whenever he died he would rage and say the government locked up his controller

according to him the other players were secretly actual players not bots and the government was letting them win

he also thought there was no such thing as glitches and they just happen when the government connects to your system

[round bridge]

Hey guys

Anyone watching invincible?

||anyone?||

[dense quail]

Yes

Several people have read the comics

[gilded quest]

I have my flag signaling merit badge

[echo sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-confused-bro-what-did-he-really-just-say-that-bruh-hell-nah-gif-12127256168261487563

[slim owl]

Ya know which flag these are?

[echo sluice]

it looks like the lithuanian flag

oh wait no nvm it is not the lithuanian flag

[dense quail]

Kazakhstan

[gilded quest]

https://tenor.com/view/signal-signaling-trying-to-communicate-communicate-communication-gif-20003964

[slim owl]

Isn't that one blue

[echo sluice]

yes

[dense quail]

Very nice!

[echo sluice]

those flags dont even exist bro what

moheli

cameroon wow

[slim owl]

That's the one I was thinking

[echo sluice]

(i googled it)

[slim owl]

That's the one I was thinking

[echo sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/creeping-kitty-stealthy-stalker-gif-8174883738754345180

[slim owl]

this is epic

[winged spire]

Cars are always epic

[round bridge]

Have you seen S3 E5?

[primal cairn]

What is the purpose of the CPU bracket having the latch again? Is it to keep the cpu in place using tension?

Does the cpu require to have a downward force applied to it or something?

I installed this on my pc, it fits like a glove, so I guess not

[round bridge]

I can’t believe it 😦

What the hell is Amazon thinking

[viscid elm]

Those on am5 are just dumb in all ways

Guy went am5 after a botched contact frame install

[primal cairn]

Well for intel it helps because the thing is longer

[whole swallow]

yea

but I haven't heard anyone say am5 has ever really needed one

I didn't even know am5s had contact frames available lol

[fossil frost]

for intel it helps because of a badly designed IHS. it makes no difference for AM5, at all.. the ones that ARE useful for AM4/5, are the offset mounts, that replace the entire cooler retention system, and move it down a few mm, placing the hotspot in the centre of the cooler... which the retention plate you have doesnt do, so, is useless

[dense quail]

Yws

[primal cairn]

But it looks good

[fossil frost]

it looks like a waste of money

[primal cairn]

It's literally 4 dollars

[fossil frost]

is 4 dollars not money?

and was it not wasted?

[harsh quartz]

Not really, the red isn’t a good red, and you’ll never see it anyways

[primal cairn]

Not for me if i think it looks better than the stock bracket

[harsh quartz]

Also don’t contact frames void warranties?

[primal cairn]

Alright, but I don't see any stickers on the screws, I could just remove the thing and reattach the old bracket again if things happened

[bitter harbor]

@fossil frost Did you see the Userbenchmark review for the 9070XT? It is funny as heck.

[fossil frost]

i dont need to do, i can just assume 😄

[bitter harbor]

No need to imagine :D

[harsh quartz]

Damn I hit send first but cellular made it take forever >:(

[round bridge]

spoilers for Invincible S3 ||ok, I was gonna talk about how Mr Liu gets revived but|| spoilers for E7 ||Why did they just kill off Rex||

[fossil frost]

better than i assumed 😄 just a massive "we dont like AMD, or change... nvidia and intel... or fuck off"

[bitter harbor]

Ironically, their reviews for 50 series so far have been on radio silence

[harsh quartz]

“Influenced by wealthy tech tubers” like nvidia cards aren’t 8G$ right now

[ripe meadow]

Same type of person to turn around and buy a 5070 for 1200 dollars ☠️

[harsh quartz]

Oh I didn’t even see the part about “only 3% of gamers on steam use AMD cards so why should you?”

[fossil frost]

0% of gamers on steam currently use the nvidia 6090, so by the same logic, you should never buy it. same for any 6000 series gpu from nvidia

[bitter harbor]

User benchmark’s bane of existence is the Bandwagon Fallacy

[harsh quartz]

Less than 1% of users use intels GPUs so clearly no one should ever buy one ever

Idk what the updated numbers are but before Battlemage I know it was less than 1%

[dense quail]

Why? Because his arc was over

[harsh quartz]

Yeah now they’re on Battlemage

[dense quail]

Invincible is about a lot of things but one of the main themes is that life isn't fair.

Ya, Rex got better, got a good relationship, made good with the universe and he deserved a happy ending but invincible is a more honest take on realistic super heroes. The world and the narrative doesn't reward good, bad or meh it just moves forward.

[dense quail]

What is this idiocy

[bitter harbor]

Userbenchmark at it again

[bitter harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[nova meadow]

hii, somehow im only just finding the dicord channel, just wanted to say hi (+following server onboarding) hope your all well :)). sadly i dont have a battle station worthy, imagine a 13" macbook pro surounded by plants and thats what gets me through cityskylines with modded access to unlock all the tiles hehe. yes it runs like a choking potato but i mean... it runs

[sage quiver]

Welcome!

a mbp surrounded by plants is a vibe ngl

[echo sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/im-free-gifkaro-happy-enjoying-the-nature-sunday-gif-20886295

[nova meadow]

i should have mentioned its 2015 but i certianly agree with the vibes, my vibe goal is an indoor forest

[fierce moth]

better get some led strips lol

[nova meadow]

'growing-light' led strips 👀

!! thats a case idea and a half

[last delta]

hello guys anyone car eto help me with a vissual problem..?

[nova meadow]

ill volunteer

[magic pier]

Why is my gpu not loading textures emidellenty then when I change the hdmi port to another one it loads emedently is my gpu broken?

[nova meadow]

which side are you changing the port?

[last delta]

okay so, i tried to record it but it wont show, ,, so when im in game and moce around, everthing looks lower ress and have red outlines , like 80 vibes you get what i mean? ,, is this a gpu porblem or a monitor porblem?,, or hdmi? (this isnt a porblem with uid and outside the game)

[echo sluice]

blud got the vhs effect on his monitor

[last delta]

yeah looks like it

[echo sluice]

[magic pier]

I have 2 ports of hdmi and 2 of dpi

[echo sluice]

what game

[last delta]

checked nvidia overlay but no.. i have a 2070 super if you wonder

sea of thieves

[echo sluice]

if its fine outside of the game then its not the monitor

[last delta]

and when i turned down refresh rate it would be more

[echo sluice]

try #1027757333117415424

[nova meadow]

maybe test with another cable? gpu drivers? ressolutionn and refresh rates? sorry if none of that is helpful, is it in every game/application?

[magic pier]

Most ye even YouTube

[merry mountain]

Does thermal paste really matter from which brand?

[full fossil]

it can yes

[vapid smelt]

Unless it's super shit it's all within 5c of each other

[long briar]

Yes and no, if the paste is really thick like Thermalright TF7 then it'll be a bit more annoying to spread using the cooler, but otherwise most decent pastes nowadays are pretty much the same

[merry mountain]

I was thinking of going for the Noctua NT-H1.

I knew I should’ve changed my pre-applied thermal paste from Lian Li.

[winged spire]

The space shuttle was small af

[echo sluice]

corsair aio

[fossil frost]

whats the payload capacity of each?

[winged spire]

and no side panel lol

[echo sluice]

didnt even notice that lol

i should be studying rn but history is so boring 🙏

[winged spire]

27,500 kilograms to LEO for the space shuttle

[final lily]

You ppl got any recommendations on games I should pick up to play on my steam deck?

[bitter harbor]

I swear I am not seeing something but that gpu looks like it is sagging.

[winged spire]

it is

saturn V was lioke 150k kilos to LEO

but obviously it wasnt used for LEO

[bitter harbor]

With all the 3d printer filament right there?

[winged spire]

my dorm is like 15x15 feet

[echo sluice]

jolly filament

[winged spire]

and I have like 150kilos in this room

10% of the total volume in this room is filament lol

[echo sluice]

[winged spire]

not even half of the filament I have either

[echo sluice]

why does one need so much

[winged spire]

rest is at my house

[echo sluice]

Are you printing a house

[fossil frost]

you dont NEED it, you WANT it 😄

[winged spire]

I could get pretty far

[echo sluice]

😭

Would be an awesome video

[bitter harbor]

I’ll skim a little bit off the top and print you a gpu anti-sag riser.

[winged spire]

When I was doing major commission work I was doing like 1000 kilos per year

that was a couple years ago though

[echo sluice]

A ton

based off what do you even

[winged spire]

youd be surpised how much you can print on 8 printers with one of those being a belt printer

[echo sluice]

tell someone a rate for something being printed

[winged spire]

depends on a lot of factors lol

[echo sluice]

[winged spire]

kinda down to the specific part

[echo sluice]

if i was requesting for a keyboard stand to be printed for example

[winged spire]

do I need to do preprocessing/post processing, material, print time

[fossil frost]

you can have a 100mm x 100mm x 100mm part that takes up almost no filament at all, but a 40x40x40 that uses up LOADS more... depending on your settings, and the shape of the part

[echo sluice]

printing those like building models seems cool

[celest tangle]

what are we thinking about vertical tabs in firefox?

[echo sluice]

idk what the flip that is

[whole swallow]

I'm old and change is bad

[celest tangle]

tabs are on the left insted of the top

[fossil frost]

firefox steals, owns, and sells your data... so... wouldnt know, because i wouldnt use it (yes, they changed their T+C to remove the wording that specifically says they are doing that, but they have not replaced it with terms saying that they specifically dont do that)

[hot tartan]

I use vertical tabs, I like the more vertical real estate

[echo sluice]

i see the vision

but i feel like i already built muscle memory for horizontal tabs so i couldnt be bothered

[celest tangle]

no no they don't sell your data by normal definition of sell. they have to remove that because of the adds in new tab and the data they share for that is technically selling data but they are open about that

but because of some state laws they legally cannot say they don't sell your data anymore

[fossil frost]

so, they are selling the data, and are using it to train AIs, and are claiming full ownership of that data then

[celest tangle]

they never claimed ownership it says they have the right to use that data which every browser says because they have to say that to legally use your data

[tropic gulch]

I thought they re-instated that?

[fossil frost]

they are giving data to advertisers, they are getting paid for that data. they are claiming, for legal purposes, that data is theirs to sell, if it wasnt theirs to sell, they would not be allowed to sell it

[tropic gulch]

In some form

[fossil frost]

its been through several iterations now in the last few weeks

[celest tangle]

they have been doing that for a while now for the ads on the new tab they have been open about that but the data is anonymized and has no personal identifiers

guess what you can turn it off and no more of your data is shared

[fossil frost]

i didnt say anything about it being anonymized, but... while we are on about that... that basic transformation, them doing that basic thing, modifying it at all... means they are able to claim ownership over the data... its not because they dont want you personally to be tracked, because thats possible without the PII in the data, its very easy to fingerprint a user... they only do it to tick a legal checkbox.. same as everyone else

so... as i said... they are selling your data, they are claiming ownership over it in order to sell it..

btw, im a software dev, ive written these tracking platforms, ive helped operate them for a former employer, i know EXACTLY how they work, and how they are used 🙂

[celest tangle]

so what are they supposed to do they need the listens to use your data and they have to do something for money its not like they can shovel money into the furnus to keep it running forever free of use.

[tropic gulch]

I would have thought they would still have to stick by whats written in the privacy policy, and regulations etc ofc

[fossil frost]

not fudge their T+C to pretend they are not doing that... they tried to lie about it, thats what people are annoyed about

[tropic gulch]

I get its pretty easy to word the privacy policy cleverly to try and excuse a lot of data collection

[celest tangle]

nicco loves linux has probably the best video on the topic

[fossil frost]

also, you forget how much money mozilla has

[celest tangle]

they have always said they share some of the data to the sponsors though since they added that feature.

[fossil frost]

and then they tried to hide that in their T+C, they tried to lie about it

[celest tangle]

they didn't try to hide it at all they made multiple public posts about it

[fossil frost]

mozilla make around $150mil per year from google alone, they are worth more than 1.2bn dollars. of that, around 400 million is held in cash reserves.

they need to squeeze that extra few dollars from selling my data, and pretending they dont

and, my original point, are selling your data, they are claiming ownership over it in order to sell it.. you said that was false.. its not.. its true...

[celest tangle]

their worth has nothing to do with if they are making profits or not neither does their cash reserves it has to do with their total revenue minux operating costs. they make about half a billion in revenure yes but what is the profits after they spend money on their 2000 employees their world wide server costs and contracter costs

[celest tangle]

show me where they said they own your data you keep saying that and it doesn't actually say that anywhere

that I have seen

[fossil frost]

they dont explicitly have to sell it, they have to modify it, to be allowed to sell it, because they can only sell what they own... they cant sell it if they dont own it

its how selling things works, you cant sell something you dont own

i cant sell your car, that you own...

[vapid smelt]

Just break the law

[fossil frost]

many companies do, its easier and cheaper

[manic torrent]

sure you can

people do it every day

[celest tangle]

no every browser has a lisens to use your data for any reason needed "operate" the browser. this legally could include selling copies of that data to advertisers. its up to the privacy policy to say they would sell that data or not always has. their new tos changes litteraly nothing they can do legaly with that daya

[manic torrent]

The recent policy change is really irrelevant - the bigger issue is them removing the 'we will never sell your data' from their website

[celest tangle]

and they had to because the data shared with the advertisers for the search bar and start menu adverts

[fossil frost]

as i said, i have built these sort of tracking and advertising platforms for a former employer. the browser cant send your data as-is, without modification... but.. .adding headers to it, removing something from it, minor changes such as that, constitute a new data, that data can be sold, because they modified that in a way where they are now deemed to be the creator of that (in the uk/eu at least).. any usage data, HOW the app is being used.. is also their data, since its considered to be their debugging data, as long as that doesnt track WHO is using it.

thats why ALL browsers, ALL modify your data in some way, BEFORE sending it on to the browser developer, because that is then technically THEIR data, and they can sell THEIR data... even if it contains some of your data

PII removal is the easiest way to modify the data significantly enough to make it their data, and also comply with other laws. even though PII removal doesnt stop you from being tracked

[celest tangle]

ok and they could ALWAYS do that. every browser can brave browser chromium waterfox all of them can then. saying you won't use firefox because they can is like saying you won't use a spesific brand of car because it might break down yeah its a car it can and will break down they all do that thats part of owning a car

[patent violet]

You know it's actually pretty damn easy to figure out what sort of traffic is going over your network if you actually looked to monitor it. I could take edge for an example. It connects to a bunch of MSN domains used for advertising and synchronization of your data. Meanwhile when it comes to things like debugging or anything like that it's typically a JavaScript worker in the background snatching up logs to send back. And lastly when it comes down to trying to track people individually it's actually a ton of data that you require and it's extremely expensive. If anybody's going to track anything for marketing purposes it's actually done in a general anon'd fashion for liability and cost reasons. The only real form of tracking that ever happens is whenever you're able to tie specifically back to the device that you're using through the use of sessions or whatever

[vapid smelt]

Like how I painted and own this painting?

[patent violet]

Now here's the funny part about all of that

[fossil frost]

firefox said they WONT do that, but were always doing it.. and are now doing even more

[fossil frost]

under certain laws, you own that version of it if you could argue that the pink moustache is a significant change to the original work

[patent violet]

Most people can tell when something is being tracked but the real question becomes what is being tracked and why. There's always a reason and there's always a use to the data otherwise it's a waste.

We suddenly come head to head with a particular problem we find in software engineering. It's really hard to find issues as it stands today due to the complexities of stacks and whatever else may come into the mix. You need to track a lot of shit both client side and server side and on whatever software you actually disseminate and distribute otherwise you're going to fall behind leaving you with vaporware

In a lot of the articles you read today it's all about oh my god you're being tracked but by what and for what reason

It makes assumptions but it never makes assertations

[fossil frost]

which is part of the reason for SaaS is a big thing now (as well as the many other reasons companies go that way)... the data is always on your servers, its always your data

[celest tangle]

legally yes they where selling your data, only by strict legal definitions in a few jurisdictions. but in most places no they where not selling your data

[half summit]

https://tenor.com/view/be-evil-be-nice-cat-gif-15630648342365075504

[fossil frost]

they gave data to a 3rd party, that 3rd party gave them money in return... thats selling data by any definition

[patent violet]

Once again we're making assumptions about why that data was sold and how it was used. There is something called mutual data contracts in which you hand over data to allow a third party to feed you back information about that data and you get credits for what they learn off of your data so long as they don't directly share the data with anybody else

They have to say that the data was sold yes but was it really sold or was it credited?

We do this all the time

80% of the time your data wasn't sold it was actually used for consultation purposes

[fossil frost]

the guy initially said i was wrong when i said firefox didnt collect, sell and claim ownership over your data... i told him he was incorrect about saying i was incorrect, and he has moved the goalposts around several times since then

[patent violet]

Nobody really collects anybody's specific data that they own. They collect the habits around their data

There's a difference

[fossil frost]

theres a technical difference, but to the general public, they are the same thing

[celest tangle]

I didnt' say they didn't collect or (under strict legal definition) sell your data I said they don't own your data

[patent violet]

Not really. Do you own the perception of somebody else or does that person own the perception you have of them?

I hate to be the one guy to say this but it's just simply the fact that the public doesn't understand it

[vapid smelt]

[bitter harbor]

Which again, was already proven wrong.

[patent violet]

But the assumptions based off of the inconceived perceptions Yes in their mind it is simply just this or that

Business is hard

Especially in the digital world

[celest tangle]

where is it proven wrong I keep seeing people say that I was proven wrong that they own your data but the tos spesifcally says they don't

[half summit]

this sucks

[bitter harbor]

Which technically, they don’t

[fossil frost]

by removing the PII, they modify it and have effectively generated their own data, that may or may not contain your data, or data adjacent to your data. they then collect that, and are able to do what they want with it, because thats now their data, that may or may not contain your data.. thats a transfer of ownership of what may or may not be your data

[patent violet]

They also remove a bunch of liability lol

[glacial comet]

This is almost certainly directed at Honey right

[supple pawn]

Dough sucks? Or proofing sucks?

[fossil frost]

stops them from getting ploughed by the EU with GDPR, or the UK with what-used-to-be-GDPR-but-is-now-our-own-specific-law-because-fucking-brexit

[bitter harbor]

Dough doesn’t suck. Dough proofs.

[zinc berry]

What’d the bees do this time?

I have stock in the hive

[half summit]

before I become an assistant manager I have to do this learning shit

[patent violet]

I'll be honest, GPDR and friends has become a joke. It's enforcement is lack luster and 80% of claims that are probably legit are unprovable

[jaunty compass]

I just got a low profile 4060 and it's truly puny

[patent violet]

And that's kind of sad because it had teeth too

[bitter harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742709053985128498/846715660872056852/image0-12-1.gif

[celest tangle]

the right to modify data does not change the data's ownership though there are several laws in place for this very reason

[jaunty compass]

This is the card in my ITX case

[wary elk]

meanwhile my ITX case having a 3080

[jaunty compass]

A 6950 XT fits in this case that's the card I was running in here before I sold it

[wary elk]

oh nice

[jaunty compass]

I was trying to get a 9070 XT but Newegg cancelled the order I got on launch day

[fossil frost]

yeah, they are, but... they were designed to scare most companies to make most of the effort.. which they did... a LOT of what was going on, was cleaned up.. and the EU/UK dont really go after anyone unless its financially worth it.. its not worth going after the average small/medium business, because the fine would be less than the legal fees. but the likes of google/meta/amazon/microsoft, you can use that threat of a 10% fine of total revenue, as a way to convince them to do other things you want them to do, before dropping the case

[jaunty compass]

I found this 4060 for pretty cheap on marketplace so I grabbed it as a stopgap

[celest tangle]

if it did then data brokers would never have to remove your information.

[jaunty compass]

I can easily resell it for just as much as I paid once I get the 9070 XT

I got the 4060 LP for $150

[bitter harbor]

I’m grateful I waited on selling my 6700XT because it has been crazy with the 9070XT launch

[fossil frost]

a significant enough modification is considered to be a new work, the new work is owned by the new creator, even if it contains significant elements of the original work

[vapid smelt]

Was going to talk shit but $150 is a good value

[patent violet]

There's also a problem with post analytics data and pre analytics data. Some data brokers just live ingest data and they don't actually store any of the specific data that can be pointed to you before it gets put through the system that will ingest the data and actually analyze it. These are good guys. So what they have to do is provide an opt-out system that tells their system that the data being sent to them is to not be analyzed and ingested into their data set. Usually the data they are working on is completely anonymous and simply just stats related to various metadata points or demographics.

Then you have the guys that actually store the data raw.

[fossil frost]

you still have rights over that new work, but its largely just "stop doing that" at best.. and thats what happens when you ask a data broker to take down your data... they do, but they can immediately get it back again from the same place

[patent violet]

I'm sure you have seen those advertising opt out pages before

[celest tangle]

data collected isn't protected like artwork legally. it has separate protections in place in several jurisdictions mainly Europe that make explicit legal diferences

[jaunty compass]

It being so cheap is the reason I picked it up lol

[patent violet]

The guys who work with those advertising opt-out pages will ingest your data live and then tie it into their analytics

[celest tangle]

whatever im getting a migrain overthis so imma go take some aprin and take a nap

[patent violet]

Those with individual pages are live storing your data raw with specifics most likely and those are the ones you have to specifically request removal of your data from

[jaunty compass]

I sold a friend the 6950 XT for pretty cheap and because Newegg cancelled my order I just needed something to put into it

[patent violet]

The ones that require you to specifically request your data to be removed from are generally the more shady characters of the advertising and consumer analytics markets

[jaunty compass]

The 4060 is still decent enough that it should be fine until I get the 9070 XT

[patent violet]

Microsoft Google and Apple are in their own leagues here and all have various means across all types of analytics systems so they are excluded from the above statements

[winged spire]

Crew 10 launching in 24 hours

The 2 astronauts that came up on starliner will come home in a few days

[patent violet]

Finally

It's going to suck for them

[winged spire]

They could have come home any time for months now

They’re going down on crew 9’s capsule

[bitter harbor]

Found this gem on Best Buy. How are they still available?

[winged spire]

Once crew 9 hands the station off to crew 10 (takes a few days) the 2 crew 9 astronauts and the 2 other “stuck” ones will come down

Average SpaceX rescue

[patent violet]

Average Boeing fuck up

I wonder how many people actually remember that it was Boeing that stuck them up there

[winged spire]

Starliner reentered perfectly

They definitely could have come down on starliner

[patent violet]

They certainly could have but there's no room for error on space travel

So anything that may show potential for problems is considered a failure no matter what the end result is

[winged spire]

This isn’t really anyone In particular’s fault

It’s a “space is hard” moment

[patent violet]

We have 56 years of experience. Space is hard but so are computers. I get where you're coming from but I'm having a really hard time giving the curb to the credit here

[winged spire]

lol

You think space travel is as hard as computers?

Computers fuck up literally all the time

[patent violet]

Depends what you mean by hard. When it comes to the science behind it and the mathematics yes. The physical work behind it and along with all of the other crap like testing.. no. Unless it's labeled as intrinsically safe component which does go through damn near the same amount of testing in its own way

[winged spire]

The space shuttle had a like a 6-8% failure rate

[patent violet]

Such as computer components that are designed around life-saving stuff

[winged spire]

Like most computer systems on spacecraft

[patent violet]

Exactly

[winged spire]

Space is just about the worst place for computers

Hard to get rid of heat, need lots of shielding/error correction for cosmic radiation

[patent violet]

The starliner didn't even have electronic issues did it?

It's been too long for my grasshopper mind

[winged spire]

It was thruster issues

Could have been computer issues causing it I guess

[patent violet]

We never got a final RCI on that?

RCA*

[winged spire]

we probably did

Kinda stopped paying attention

It also had helium leaks

[patent violet]

Guess it's time to go reading again. Thanks for the renewed interest

[patent violet]

Yeah I remember this

[winged spire]

But like … that’s kind of whatever

It’s 8th helium leak or whatever lol

If it was JUST the helium leak they wouldn’t have had an issue

[wraith sonnet]

Anyone here know if blower cards are still necessary for rackmount gaming?

[patent violet]

For rack mount equipment in general I actually would recommend this

I had a recent run in with some problems caused by non-static airflow sinks on some of our servers

[vapid smelt]

Just buy a 4090

[wraith sonnet]

trying to switch to AMD funnily enough

I would like to acquire a 9070xt and an aftermarket blower cooler but I can't seem to find any

[vapid smelt]

My coworker just turned on the heater and it's only 62f outside

[vapid smelt]

Aio card ?

[wraith sonnet]

are there any that exist currently?

[echo sluice]

16c thats warm ish

[wraith sonnet]

the last place I remembered you working old people would kinda need that

[manic torrent]

it happens to a lot of people!

[manic torrent]

I mean, not at all "necessary", but it's more about the specific chassis, use case, blah blah blah, but rackmount airflow is front to back, and is very different to a desktop.

[wraith sonnet]

9070xt with waterblock or 7900xtx with a blower?

[manic torrent]

yes

[wraith sonnet]

I am explicitly gaming with this machine but it is basically remote access only

[vapid smelt]

115" TVs are so fancy the packaging comes with latches

[slim owl]

Any Mac fans here?

[split swift]

Hell no

[vapid smelt]

Pcparpicker has no aio 70xt listed

[gilded quest]

Waterblock

[wraith sonnet]

I don't see one on videocardz either

[gilded quest]

@unkempt nest is a decent guy

But I'm not sure I would call myself a fan

[grand mason]

guys, i gotta a dumb question that i may already know the answer to. I have a beelink ser6 max and got a new mini fridge. Can i run this pc on a surge protector and my mini fridge on the same outlet? I personally don't think it would work, but the guys here say otherwise. any thoughts?

[wraith sonnet]

surge protector or UPS?

[grand mason]

regular surge protector, i dont have a ups at the moment

[gilded quest]

You should be fine

Neither device is high power draw

Air conditioners and space heaters are the real danger for surge protectors

[grand mason]

that i do know

[wraith sonnet]

Just make sure if your house is 90+y/o that it at least actually has grounding though

[winged spire]

My contacts just saved me from getting super glue on my eye ball lol

W

[vapid smelt]

...

[winged spire]

yh

[bitter harbor]

Glad you are fine but how did superglue come that close?

[winged spire]

I use super thin CA glue

thinner than water

a part I was gluing sprug into place shooting a few droplets lol

some got dead center on my eye but I was waering contacts

[bitter harbor]

Dang.

[timid bloom]

no but i use ios 💔

[restive lion]

Hard to find them on their own, usually they're inside preassembled macs

[bitter harbor]

Same here

[slim owl]

Well could anyone tell me the colour accuracy of the newest m4 macbooks? I can't find anything online

[midnight pumice]

Guys, do I buy an airport X-ray scanner for $500?

[ebon lantern]

Why is the new linus tech tips video gone?

[split swift]

The mouse one?

Nothing is missing

[ebon lantern]

I dont see it?

[bitter harbor]

https://youtu.be/ozcZuz5p3ss?si=U9EXU4imvKEE2OsM

[ebon lantern]

OH I SEE WHY NOW

I was doing some work on my computer and I must have logged in with my school email so it hid it from me 💀

i see itt now thank you guys 😔

[wispy marsh]

How do people usually take good care of their lipoma/teratoma?

[warm pebble]

medical advice to the professionals

[winged spire]

idiot

SPHEREx and PUNCH launching in a little over an hour

[crude vortex]

lets go

[gilded quest]

My kinda cat

[hearty hill]

Nice cat

[bitter harbor]

What is that car doing?

[woven wharf]

anyone here a mousepad enthu

[winged spire]

should I get this printed?

idk

most of my film photos are kinda fucked and out of focus

[bitter harbor]

Rome wasn’t built in a day. Go for it.

[winged spire]

turns out shooting rockets in 35mm is hard

much harder than digital lol

[bitter harbor]

Oh I thought you meant 3d printed 😆

[winged spire]

I already have one

I already printed a starship lol

[grim delta]

hi evreyone

[covert cradle]

This was the first result on Google...
https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/macbooks/macbook-air-m4-benchmarks-are-here-heres-how-it-compares-to-the-macbook-pro-windows-laptops-and-more

Just keep in mind apple only officially does "professional factory calibration" on the MBP, so ymmv on a specific Air

[dense quail]

That looks awesome

Like a black ops one loading screen