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rustic tundra
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lg better give us a 27 4k woled

white pawn
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2018 is when the 2080 was released ๐Ÿ˜›

civic fox
vapid smelt
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2018 is when i graduated high school

white pawn
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i have two systems running 1070TIs from 2017 myself

rustic tundra
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1080ti is from 2017

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thats 8 years ago

harsh quartz
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What the fuck does that sink want again?

bitter harbor
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Try a gt 710. I believe they are still making them for some unknown reason.

vapid smelt
civic fox
rustic tundra
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i think my 4080s will do a few years

white pawn
bitter harbor
vapid smelt
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wonder if any games made in 2024 supported dual gpus

rustic tundra
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si

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i am a 4k gamer

white pawn
rustic tundra
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with dlss

strong kettle
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im using my 2060 super instead rn

bitter harbor
white pawn
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depending on the price, i will either end up with one of the Arc cards that has been leaked with 24GB of Ram or a 5000 series card, just so i don't have to upgrade it for a few years due to ram limitations

obsidian oracle
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time to trick gpu scores by running 4x sli

white pawn
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i think the biggest detriment to SLI was the fact that the games had to be made to be compatible, the drivers didn't just take care of it themselves and present like a single card to the game

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if that had been the case, i think SLI would have been a LOT more mainstream and popular

vapid smelt
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Apex Legends supports sli? wtf

white pawn
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i saw that LOL

full fossil
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GTX 1080Ti

white pawn
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F1 2020 also does

graceful burrow
white pawn
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GTA 5 does, which for some reason strikes me as hilarious

graceful burrow
south skiff
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Qould it be fine to move my boot drive with all my data from my old pc to a new one, I'm changing from amd gpu to nvidia, and amd cpu to intel so idk

graceful burrow
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it's recommended to reinstall windows when changing platforms to avoid drivers attempting to load for hardware that isnt there, causing instabilities

vapid smelt
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damn a handfull of 2021 games support sli

white pawn
south skiff
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Would.it.be better to.move everything to the new drive, or use the old one as a second drive

fossil frost
white pawn
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but, that very thing is why i recommend the OS+Programs on one drive data on a separate one, so you can reinstall and not lose anything ๐Ÿ™‚ (I'm actually a fan of 3 drives in a system, OS and programs on a 256GB NVME, Games on a separate NVME and a spinning rust for data storage

south skiff
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What

white pawn
vapid smelt
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hmm i wonder if SLI 1080ti would work with fsr

civic fox
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i mean FSR works for it but albeit FSR looks like crap

vapid smelt
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google ai says sli no worki with fsr

pallid falcon
vapid smelt
harsh quartz
vapid smelt
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you cant sue food

stone cosmos
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real

harsh quartz
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Man fuck them bees

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(Please donโ€™t actually)

stone cosmos
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#LetTheBeesDie

pallid falcon
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What if I already did

south skiff
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What cpu cooler fo you think would be good for a i5 13600kf?

harsh quartz
stone cosmos
south skiff
harsh quartz
viscid elm
harsh quartz
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Itโ€™s just now in video form

summer folio
viscid elm
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ye

pallid falcon
south skiff
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If so, no i do not

stone cosmos
south skiff
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But the mobo I've picked is lga1700

viscid elm
south skiff
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Yes

viscid elm
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have you bought anything yet?

south skiff
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No

viscid elm
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if possible i would look at going am5

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are you in the US?

south skiff
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I just chose intel over am5

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I'm not from US

viscid elm
south skiff
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Cores

viscid elm
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what do you do?

potent cedar
south skiff
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The best am5 i could get for my budget had 6 cores, best intel has 14

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I'm aus

potent cedar
graceful burrow
viscid elm
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e-waste cores

south skiff
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From what I've researched the intel does better in what I'm using it for

potent cedar
fringe lance
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i have 4 ecores and they run amazing

south skiff
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Benchmarks

viscid elm
potent cedar
viscid elm
south skiff
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3d modelling

viscid elm
south skiff
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Yeah

fringe lance
potent cedar
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12700kf available ?

viscid elm
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but 3D modeling tends to not be as havey on the cpu

graceful burrow
south skiff
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Apologies

viscid elm
south skiff
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Blender, some inventor autodesk. Been doing it for 3 and a half years maybe?

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Blender that is

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Actually both

stone cosmos
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peak life too, they smash and then pass (onto the next realm)

south skiff
stone cosmos
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genuinely can't think of a better existence lmao

hybrid echo
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I took a break from this server came back to see this bs

stone cosmos
south skiff
vital oak
hybrid echo
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Yo what

south skiff
hybrid echo
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I almost got banned from saying that

south skiff
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Window kit or mesh side panel?

vital oak
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iโ€™ll probably be swapping it out for an early 2000s beige box though, whatever i can get my hands on

bitter harbor
vital oak
south skiff
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Ah

south skiff
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I'm considering glass side

stone cosmos
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may the great kekw war begin

south skiff
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Do you guys think it's worth it to cool a i5 13600kf with an aio

civic fox
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lmao what the heck

bitter geode
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I have an extra evga aio,but idk what to do with it. Decoration or sell

graceful burrow
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if you just let it sit, it'll eventually become unusable on its own

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so if you're alright with that go ham

bitter geode
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I got no ideas with decoration with extra pc parts

obsidian oracle
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just grind a few cpus down and sparkle their dust onto the gpu's back

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without the backplate

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gpu might die 0.5 seconds after you do that but it will look shinier than ever!

bitter geode
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I got the cpus to do that

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I have like 6, 5 5500

obsidian oracle
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wth

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trying to craft another cpu or what, go sell em

bitter geode
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No one ever buys them and i put them up for like 60$

obsidian oracle
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thats a lot

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i see used 5600x for 79$ thats a lot a lot for 5500

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just put it for like 5$ below the local market average and get rid of them quickly, its only gonna be an obsession overtime linusPain

bitter geode
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I guess ill put em up for 40

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I need moeny

obsidian oracle
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40 works too if its close to their value near u

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still gonna take good time to sell tho, thats for sure

bitter geode
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I also got like 2 7600

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I get all these things for like 10$ each

obsidian oracle
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lol

pallid falcon
obsidian oracle
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snacks

pallid falcon
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Can I eat one

bitter geode
obsidian oracle
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for the price of dead weight even, yummy

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just delid and sell the ihs ezpz

bitter geode
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Everything i buy i test and it all works

obsidian oracle
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oh yeah those fuckers are the cpus with pins, its risky to buy even if you buy single one that was previously in use

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ur lucky to have all working ig

bitter geode
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I trust mt stuff

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I did sell the 7800xt i got for 100$ for 400

obsidian oracle
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damn

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u should have enough money for an used 4090 by now

bitter geode
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I like my current pc

obsidian oracle
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atleast a very cursed one for like $1k with nasty coil whine

pallid falcon
bitter geode
obsidian oracle
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they only digest ram

pallid falcon
obsidian oracle
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do not feed them cpu

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they will shit it right out untouched

south skiff
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Is buying an 11 dollar 128gb nvme as a boot and program drive worth it

graceful burrow
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if you dont mind it failing earlier than other drives sure

vapid smelt
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now the 1tb model is $99 KirbyFurious

dire hill
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My pc stuck on a loading screen for 10 mins

white pawn
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MS trying to remove wordpad ๐Ÿ˜›

south skiff
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Why are some people mean when people ask pc questions that seem easy to answer for one person, when the other person is just confused

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Not in the this chat, a different pc youtuber discord

graceful burrow
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Tired of answering the same questions over and over

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People posting the same question to multiple channels

south skiff
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I was asking questions about boot drives ๐Ÿ˜ญ

graceful burrow
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Indignancy to learn is another reason

white pawn
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like, they take you not knowing something as a weakness

south skiff
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Legit

weak night
south skiff
white pawn
south skiff
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Broooo ong

white pawn
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i have a rule, when my ignore/block list on a server gets above a certain number, i just give up on it. i went from 0 to leaving the server once cause i mentioned that in the Gears of War series the headshot mechanic was very RNG instead of actual skill ๐Ÿ˜› like, i;m sorry, but if im hitting the same spot, why does it sometimes take 20 rounds, and others take 2 for the headshot?

south skiff
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Lmao

white pawn
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i got private messages of people spewing hate at me for like a month after i left the server even LOL

south skiff
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A guy essentially called me a toddler when explaining an answer to my problem ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

graceful burrow
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Interserver drama is lame :/

weak night
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Why does chat move so quickly?

graceful burrow
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It just causes drama here which is uncool

south skiff
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Mb, I'm just tryna make convo and have a laugh about people who are mean for no reason

graceful burrow
white pawn
graceful burrow
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I wish this gif didn't loop

white pawn
white pawn
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can't wait till this compile is complete, then i can fire up my Mister and see if my mods for the AO486 core work ๐Ÿ™‚

wispy marsh
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Apple is flawed but i like them

harsh quartz
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Apple is flawed but I like some of their products

south skiff
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Apple is flawed and i don't like any of their products

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Actually scrap that

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The old ipods and ipod touch

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They're good

noble gazelle
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graceful burrow
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bold of you assume any of them actively read chat or care lol
ltt dropped honey in 2022 and gave their reasons why

white pawn
# south skiff The old ipods and ipod touch

when the Ipod came out, i had a Pocket Concert from Intel(it was a 128Mb MP3 player) so the first ipods were a step backwards ๐Ÿ˜› pity intel shuttered the division that made those so quickly

winged spire
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youre telling me when an organization actually VETS their sponsors these things dont happen?

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who could have guessed

south skiff
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Anyone know a good cheap argb and fan hub with at least 5 fan support?

white pawn
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i should say, that while yes, the Ipod was 5gb, the requirement that in order to use it i had to buy a mac"cause that was the only way to get music on them" was insane. made that 400?(i think thats what it was?) bucks into more like 2 grand or so

south skiff
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It needed a mac??

white pawn
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saw em in passing in microcenter the other day

white pawn
south skiff
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My dad had a ipod and I do not recall every having a mac

white pawn
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if i recall they dropped that requirement really fast

south skiff
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Ah I see

white pawn
south skiff
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Ohh

white pawn
# south skiff Ohh

found em, yeah, hub is built in https://lian-li.com/product/uni-fan-sl/

Revolutionary fan with modular design, interlocking fan that can be linked up and operate with a fan and RGB cable. The included UNI HUB contains 4 designated UNI FAN ports. Each port can connects to a cluster of 4 UNI FANs via the cable module, allowing users to control up to 16 UNI FANs in one go. The L-Connect software enables users to contro...

white pawn
south skiff
white pawn
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umm, 25ish bucks a piece it looks like, so actually not bad at all

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i remember seeing some on the shelf that were like 54 a pop

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of course, i remember when you could buy 6 good fans for 25 bucks ๐Ÿ˜›

south skiff
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Getting 6 of the lian li fans would cost more than my mobo

white pawn
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yeah, but compared to the ones like noctua or be quiet even, are they any good?

south skiff
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I have coolermaster ones in my current build and they're perfectly fine

lyric sphinx
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Just go buy a 20 dollar box fan and make it your side cover

white pawn
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i'm not a huge "My computer must be SILENT!!!!!" freak, but i also don;t want it sounds like a runway at an international airport ๐Ÿ™‚

south skiff
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11 dollars each

south skiff
south skiff
white pawn
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my wife on the other hand has informed me that we need to replace her video card, because with the new fans she got with her computer upgrade, her video card is now loud enough she can hear it ๐Ÿ˜›

south skiff
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Almost same rpm aswel

white pawn
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i just knew they had their own RGB and hub built in ๐Ÿ™‚

south skiff
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Ik ๐Ÿ™‚

lyric sphinx
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Tell her to suck it up buttercup

south skiff
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I don't rlly mind if they're a little loud, I'll be wearing headphones won't I? Lol

white pawn
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i think the last time i genuinely looked at anyting lian li, Antec was still basicallyt he king of cases

south skiff
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Is it a ventus

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?

white pawn
south skiff
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What manufacturer

lyric sphinx
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Man my antec sonada was awesome

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Well she could use an upgrade but it's going to be louder

white pawn
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oh, umm, ya know, i can't remember. it was a Windforce. whoever makes those

fringe lance
fringe lance
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Mine uses 12gb on ultra

south skiff
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Yep

white pawn
# south skiff Is that gigabyte?

i think so? LOL i really havent looked at it other than to yank it outta her old case and put it in the new one when i upgraded her processor mobo and ram

vast bone
harsh quartz
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Almost all is wild

south skiff
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60 hrz phones ๐Ÿ’€

white pawn
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to give you an idea, i bought us both one when they came out. so , however long that has been, these were day of release purchases

vast bone
south skiff
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Why do people like Apple phones so much?

harsh quartz
white pawn
vast bone
unreal turtle
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hi

sage quiver
vast bone
white pawn
# south skiff Why do people like Apple phones so much?

do you remember the absolute shitfit everyone had about the windows 8 start menu? Apple has not significantly changed the user experience on their phones since they released the first one, unless they were dragged kicking and screaming into making the changes

vast bone
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and the very very comfy strap

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oculus and vive should learn from apple

sage quiver
graceful burrow
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why
oculus is doing fine lol

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htc is likely building deckard for valve

vast bone
sage quiver
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The Apple strap sucks

graceful burrow
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eh, mine's fine

sage quiver
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Some sleep apnea machine company made a better one I hear

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Which makes a lot of sense lol

white pawn
sage quiver
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I was just talking about Apple

white pawn
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the gesture based crap needed to never be put anywhere near a desktp pc

harsh quartz
white pawn
vast bone
strange elk
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Oculus straps are the worst

sage quiver
vast bone
harsh quartz
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I canโ€™t believe htc is still surviving

strange elk
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I mean the rift S one was fine but it wasnt durable at all, and still wasnt that balanced

sage quiver
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I had an original Surface Pro.. piece of crap

harsh quartz
white pawn
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I love how they were all "Everyone will have touch screens in the near future!" and there we were in 2024, and when i bought my laptop i couldn't find a single one with a discreet GPU that had a touch screen

vast bone
sage quiver
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They took how many years to adopt USB-C?

strange elk
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Im using an OG vive strap on my quest 2 rn lmao

sage quiver
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sUrFaCe CoNnEcToR

vast bone
white pawn
vast bone
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it's better than the oculus tho

sage quiver
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The surface is an identity crisis

strange elk
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Its the best Ive used so far. Not worried about it breaking and leagues comfier than the default quest strap. I have the DAS but its not as comfortable to me, especially lying down

white pawn
vast bone
sage quiver
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They started that way too, no? Surface RT.

white pawn
sage quiver
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ARM windows machines make sense now with the strides MS and Qualcomm have made. But tablet laptops are still dumb.

graceful burrow
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if only microsoft truly cared

sage quiver
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Ha, the OG ran a tegra

harsh quartz
alpine gale
harsh quartz
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But the surface keyboard is a keyboard. Thatโ€™s it. It has like 1 thing of IO. Itโ€™s abysmal

white pawn
sage quiver
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One of them had a GPU in the keyboard, right? Or am I confusing it with something else.

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The surface book I think?

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Which is not the surface laptop

graceful burrow
white pawn
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yeah, the surface book

harsh quartz
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I think that was a different one? They mightโ€™ve tried that. And thereโ€™s the new Lenovo one that has a full different Linux computer in the keyboard, which is dumb

white pawn
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talka bout a schizophrenic device

graceful burrow
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i truly think arm is the future but the software is not there

sage quiver
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MacBooks have solid IO now tbh

strange elk
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iPads are more what I was referencing

sage quiver
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Although my controversial opinion is that Iโ€™d rather have another USB-C port instead of MagSafe or the SD slot

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HDMI has come in handy a few times tho

harsh quartz
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Dedicated sd slot instead of another usbc is wild

sage quiver
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People were begging for it

white pawn
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i still have quite a few things that use USB A

strange elk
white pawn
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i admit im on the side of laptops should have an SD card reader

harsh quartz
sage quiver
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People begged for MagSafe too and I hardly see anyone using it

strange elk
sage quiver
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Since we all bought docks for the previous gen lol

white pawn
bitter harbor
white pawn
strange elk
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Magsafe was more in demand when we had no better options, like USB C

sage quiver
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Youโ€™re the target user then, I suppose :P

white pawn
white pawn
graceful burrow
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mac's transition to arm was very elegant

sage quiver
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I donโ€™t love USB-C either. I think itโ€™s a mechanically dubious port, not to mention the total mess the standard is electrically. But itโ€™s far and away better than just about every other USB connector. I just wish it had a latch.

graceful burrow
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i want an m1 so bad

manic torrent
bitter harbor
white pawn
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the amount of times i have had to solder on new jacks for usc ports and power plugs, i could have made it a career

harsh quartz
strange elk
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My dualsense usb c port is finally wearing out. Even had strain relief for much of the time.

graceful burrow
sage quiver
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I love my ARM MacBook. Iโ€™ve never owned a laptop thatโ€™s felt so fresh this far into owning it.

bitter harbor
white pawn
manic torrent
vapid smelt
graceful burrow
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how much power does that chip even use

harsh quartz
sage quiver
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Though I have an M1 Max

graceful burrow
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THIRTY-NINE WATTS FULL TILT?

manic torrent
white pawn
sage quiver
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Which means giant battery but more consumption

graceful burrow
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๐Ÿ˜ฉ

harsh quartz
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If Apple can do that with 1 arm wait till they find out most people have 2

strange elk
graceful burrow
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even for an m1

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lightbulbs used to take more power

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now those too take fuck all kekw

sage quiver
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If M1 had launched with 16GB base, it wouldโ€™ve been endgame for home use. Easy 10+ years of service.

harsh quartz
strange elk
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Its clearly not perfect but USB C is my favorite connector in general now.

sage quiver
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Now that the new Mac minis start at 16GB though ๐Ÿ‘€

white pawn
strange elk
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Hmm..

white pawn
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and of course, my favorite spot to sit and play games on my laptop happens to be right around 160 feet from the back wall of my house, which puts it 3 walls+one full brick wall and 190ish feet from my router

bitter harbor
white pawn
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so i have a REALLY long cable i buried in a conduit ๐Ÿ™‚

graceful burrow
white pawn
graceful burrow
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i can read complex instructions lol

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i'm an above average user

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and below average at being modest

white pawn
strange elk
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Im an idiot and my attention span is tiny so I kinda just dive into stuff

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Fix it as I go

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sometimes get advice but more often than not I figure it out first

manic torrent
graceful burrow
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my ego is huge and im a flaunter

manic torrent
manic torrent
vast bone
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oh wait we are....... we are nerds?

bitter harbor
manic torrent
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my point is that 8p8c ethernet has no business being on a laptop in 2025

white pawn
# vast bone oh wait we are....... we are nerds?

don't bother, if he doesn't agree with you, no matter what you say, you will be wrong in hardware bobs eye's. regardless of reality in fact. I blocked him for this very reason, but discord's idea of blocking appears to be "I blocked you so i have to do extra work to see your message, but you can see mine just fine"

strange elk
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Telegrams is worse tbf

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I can see you and you can see me but you cant dm

vapid smelt
strange elk
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tf

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lmao

manic torrent
white pawn
vast bone
manic torrent
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You are however, entirely correct about discords blocking system, it's a huge pile of garbage.

strange elk
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Yeah I know. At least that way they cant bother you with pings anyway if so they decide to

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Also I know who not to take seriously for the most part

white pawn
vapid smelt
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kirashi smells bad

white pawn
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oooh, 93% compiled! I'm so excited and impatient ๐Ÿ™‚

vast bone
vapid smelt
strange elk
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enter minors on twitter because they cant read

vast bone
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i hearby name Twitter/X G

manic torrent
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Why do people hate on me because I am right almost all the time? It is a burden I must bear.

bitter harbor
white pawn
manic torrent
graceful burrow
strange elk
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Well Im learning nobody likes a know it all

graceful burrow
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keksplosion
that's so fuckin good

strange elk
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So theres at least that

manic torrent
manic torrent
vast bone
strange elk
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Ill at least give you part of that

manic torrent
white pawn
sage quiver
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Based.

white pawn
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OMG does anyone have a progress bar speed increaser? LOL this compile is killing me!

sage quiver
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Whereโ€™s that one XKCD

sage quiver
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Or was it not an XKCD

vapid smelt
vast bone
graceful burrow
alpine gale
white pawn
strange elk
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gex

white pawn
# fringe lance Get a faster cpu

i think if i upgrade my CPU before i get my wife a new video card, waiting for a compile to finish will not be a worry of mine ๐Ÿ™‚

white pawn
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and honestly, i don't think that there's anything that would significantly speed up this compile short of serious server hardware

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i'm just all exited and nervous to see if the modification i made to an FPGA core will make it work better, since the last few i did noticeably improved the performance

vapid smelt
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my cat is eating my Hawaiian rolls now

white pawn
vapid smelt
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i got them on the discount rack 24 for $2.80

white pawn
queen abyss
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Hi, i am trying to sell a gaming pc on facebook but nobody wants it. I honestly just want to not lose money at this point. got any tips?

vapid smelt
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part it out

queen abyss
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?

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wdym

vapid smelt
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sell it by component not as a built pc

queen abyss
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oh

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ok

queen abyss
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no

graceful burrow
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you do now

queen abyss
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here is the listing though

vapid smelt
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dont send it

queen abyss
queen abyss
white pawn
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okiedoke, time for some little ceasars crazy bread and papa johns cheese sauce ๐Ÿ˜›

vapid smelt
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i think its a crime to mix those

white pawn
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and if you happen to be the first person i've talked to who tries it an doesn't like it, well, that make you pretty unique ๐Ÿ™‚

wary phoenix
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Is it bad I mostly use my ltt screwdriver as a fidget toy and pretending to do counter strike weapon animations?

white pawn
vapid smelt
wary phoenix
white pawn
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that said, i have the og with a black shaft, andi use it every single day, either in tinkering with electronics or woodworking(i am NOT a fan of nails)

wary phoenix
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lol

vapid smelt
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nails are great you fuck up a swing and now you have a bent nail!

wary phoenix
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Donโ€™t get me wrong I do use mine and fairly often, weekly Iโ€™d say, but I mostly use it as a fidget lol

white pawn
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my "retro" one is in the console of my car in case i need one when im not at my house ๐Ÿ™‚

white pawn
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if im gonna make noise, ill use a power tool

manic torrent
wary phoenix
white pawn
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we have a neighbor who basically has everyone in the neighborhood totally sick of him. hes a retired dude in his 80s who regularly yells at people for making any noise past about 5pm because "It's too late for all that racket!"" but of course, you also shouldn't make any noise before about noon because "You're gonna wake up the wrong person one of these days!"

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so i absolutely have learned to LOVE the particularly loud sound of my Shopsmith starting up ๐Ÿ™‚

fringe lance
vapid smelt
white pawn
pliant karma
white pawn
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so i cut wood for about 5 hours straight. started out as a 4x8 sheet of splywood, ended up as basically really long chopsticks

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in my back yard, about 10 feet from the fenceline. i pulled my shopsmith outta my shed so there was NO muffling

white pawn
vapid smelt
white pawn
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turns out it was just cheapshit syrup, but the cops informed him that he was lucky they weren't showing up to a murder scene

pliant karma
white pawn
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then they took him to jail ๐Ÿ™‚ he was there 60 wonderful days

white pawn
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er, last year

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happy new year folks! ๐Ÿ™‚

vapid smelt
white pawn
vapid smelt
white pawn
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we all know all of the code enforcement folks by first name

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they've been to our houses so many times now that i know of at least 3 other coupls who just invite them in for drinks and a snack and shoot the shit with em for an hour or so each time

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our neighborhood is great in that there's no HOA, but, the first house was built in 58, and the last one in 67, so theres a split between the original owners that still live here (most of whom are related, cause the entire area was at one point a farm) and the people who have bought their way in. 2021 the buyers really outnumbered the originals

vapid smelt
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HOAs make me cringe

white pawn
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so i THINK there's 8 left, might be 9. all the rest of the like, 40 houses are people who bought in

white pawn
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turns out, HOA homes are cheaper cause no one wants to live with an HOA

pliant karma
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ohh damn you warship welp I got another word I cannot say haha

white pawn
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LOL yeah, and the list is really strange of what gets warshipped

pliant karma
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Just how he is

white pawn
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nothin wrong with cats, i don't personally want one, but to each their own

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but these 3 dumbfucks will "rescue" 10-15 cats a year, and release them "to be free like the law allows"

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in a neighborhood where nearly every other yard has at least one 60+ pound dog in it

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animal control literally has a note up at the front desk of the local office that says to ignore any calls from our neighborhood regarding cats

pliant karma
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We have 5 cats roaming but they're strays. Neutered and taken care of by everyone, keeps down the rat/mice infestation lol

white pawn
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oh, we have a couple cats that ALL the dogs seem cool with. one of them like to sleep on my husky/aussie shepherd mix for some reason

vapid smelt
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i feed the stray cats at my work in the warehouse area

white pawn
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but most of em? the dogs just eat em or tear em apart when they get in the fences

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aaand this is why people block you. there are millions of stray cats in china

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so, some indication of humor BEFORE ya get called out would probably help in the future ๐Ÿ™‚

white pawn
vapid smelt
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they run from me ๐Ÿ˜ฆ i feed them dry/wet food and the mice i catch at work

white pawn
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nice ๐Ÿ™‚

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yeah, it can take a while to get their trust

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our manager was fanatical about wanting to be able to pet every cat he saw LOL it was fairly hilarious

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that was the job that made me never want to own a projector TV LOL and it wasn't for anything specifically about the TV, one just happened to fall on me, and at the time i was like "well i didn't like you anyway!" ๐Ÿ™‚

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umm, rear projection i should clarify

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but, i went into IT after that, and it worked out really well

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high value treats are the thing if you want em to come to you

vapid smelt
white pawn
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there were a couple stray dogs out near one of the places i worked, i found the best thing was Nutter Butters ๐Ÿ™‚ bacon works really well on cats

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ya get the little baggies of bacon bits and give em little bits outta it

vapid smelt
#

i should drug them with cat nip

white pawn
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LOL have you seen the videos online of the people who gave like 10 cats all the catnip they wanted for a day?

vapid smelt
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that sounds hellish

white pawn
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if ya ever wanna see a cat that is visibly processing the world in slow motion, that video is for you

white pawn
#

it was like if they got cats to act the way all the old people think pot smokers behave

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when i was a kid, we were told to not smoke pot cause it would kill our reflexes and make us slower than everyone else, and just lay around on the couch doing nothing all day cause everything would be too fast

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its exactly what these cats looked like

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apparently they went super hyper insane for like 3 hours, and then just went into zombie mode

wary phoenix
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Planning on trying mixed reality headset I got for free on a pc with a 1050 that was free, recommend me some games lmaooo

white pawn
wary phoenix
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MR games or steam VR games. Ig oculus two cause Iโ€™m fairly sure revive works but I have no idea lmao, would happily try it for science tho

white pawn
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well, freeland VR is awesome if ya like MMOs, i can't remember if they have a free demo or not(i think they do tho)

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also, Superhot is really fun in VR

winged spire
dusty dove
white pawn
#

whacha pumped about?

dusty dove
white pawn
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niiiice!

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Class, take out your sharpie markers and color me jealous, ok?

dusty dove
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lol i waited a whole dam year for this shit.. since last year

vapid smelt
#

dam is for rivers damn is for swearing

dusty dove
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and im paying a kidney for my room + board since im not being send by anyone

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the price of the trip is more than my pc with 7900xt that i upgraded my pc earlier this year from

white pawn
#

yes, it's actually what the tour guide was supposed to say in the 80s to mid 90s(possibly later, but i never went back after the 90s)

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also, don't ever be a tourguide as a summer job at a national landmark. IT customers are EASY comparatively

dusty dove
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some people can't sit still for a desk job

white pawn
white pawn
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i apparently had a great first shift, since no one complained my first 3 tours.

vapid smelt
white pawn
# dusty dove that doesnt sound too bad

oh yeah, the job itself isn't bad, its the parents freaking out at you cause of the "dam" jokes, like you wrote em, or whatever elsde they could find to actually scream at you about

white pawn
vapid smelt
white pawn
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oh, they were from everywhere

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poor little johhny had just never head anything like that foul language in his life! (hear it in a super thick southern twang)

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meanwhile, the kid is tossing off F-bombs every time the parents are more than 5 feet away

dusty dove
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little johnny prob heard it long time ago on twitch or whatever youtube stream

Of course not when the parents are around

white pawn
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the last day of the job i finally yelled at a bunch of parents that if their kids hadn't heard every single cussword i knew by the time they were in 3rd grade they were either deaf or had no friends. that went over about as well as you think ๐Ÿ™‚

white pawn
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needless to say i was extremely politely, but VERY firmly escorted off the premises

dusty dove
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internet is everywhere now especially ipad kids

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if they seen elsa gate, they heard it lol

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or whatever brainrot it is now skibi toilet

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ah that my friend

Takes.. work

wary phoenix
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I kinda hate the internet being wide spread, felt like I was some enlightened individual back when it was more of a secret club but now itโ€™s just the norm

white pawn
white pawn
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yeah, theres setting a good example, and keeping them from ever seeing reality tho ๐Ÿ™‚

dusty dove
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Runescape was a good 1 too

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i guess throw 4chan in there too

white pawn
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the sheer number of people i grew up with who basically had psychotic breaks when they were finally face to face with actual reality was crazy, and then i see what parents are doing now to their kids and holy crap

white pawn
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but, i agree with The Woz that we shoulda stayed witht he BBS model of decentralized internet, instead of the silo model we have now

dusty dove
# white pawn the sheer number of people i grew up with who basically had psychotic breaks whe...

wait a minute though

Think about just a moment

Brainrot might actually help the kids in that generation

If tons of gen alpha are brainrot and can't read grade level, that means the kids who just did average (not ivy league or top tier) in school can have a better chance to get a good job

Problem right now is all entry level job wants 5yr experience because theres tons of available labor looking for good jobs

But if in the future, bunch of adults can't read/function, then it actually REWARDS the kids who did decently OK in school and now the job market are open for those people

white pawn
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nahh, but teaching them that cuss words have no power beyond what you give them is a pretty important lesson that a lot of parents don;t seem to grasp themselves, let alone teach

dusty dove
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because people are too lazy 2 parent them so they just stick a screen and call it a day instead of teaching them

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root problem is: parents 2 lazy

white pawn
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my kids learned by age 5 every single cussword

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they were also taught that those were words grownups use when they can't think of anything else to say in its place

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really removed the desire to use them when it was put to em that way

dusty dove
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ya like starvation

white pawn
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just like, we had a liquor cabinet. the kids were told those were grown up drinks, and if they really wanted to try them, the could ask once they were 10 years old. of course they did. we gave them each about one swallow of the most gut rot whiskey we could find. i have a son in the marines that apparently has about half his platoon not drinking, and a daughter who only wants to drink if it involves really expensive stuff mixed together ๐Ÿ˜›

vapid smelt
white pawn
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but yeah, if you take the novelty or "danger" out of things, a lot of the kid rebellion stuff just, doesn't happen

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almost like if you treat them as small humans instead of mobile rocks that can't understand anything parenting is easier

vapid smelt
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i just want consistency damnit

vapid smelt
white pawn
bitter harbor
white pawn
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LOL the talk i was given was simple "do you want me to punch you in the mouth?" i said no. "Good, you know what that word means then. if you are with someone and they are not happily saying yes, assume they want to say no, and you will never have any problems"

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considering at the time my dad could lift me off the ground with one arm, i listened ๐Ÿ™‚

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and turns out, it has been great advice!

wet flame
#

hi

bitter harbor
vapid smelt
wet flame
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im in my english class and this is the most boring shit i have ever been in

white pawn
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my dad has been ahead of his time my whole life. now if only i could get him to stop climbing trees in his neighborhood and cutting them down at age 82 ๐Ÿ˜›

white pawn
wet flame
vapid smelt
white pawn
# wet flame EIGHTY TWO?ยฟ

yeah, i got a phone call from him in august' ring ring "hey dad" Hey son, figured I'd call you and talk for a minute, since you would be the one who would know how to get 911 to my house from another state" "WTF dad, what happened?"

wet flame
#

oof

white pawn
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"well. you knmow that tree in anderson's yard? the really tall one?" "yeah dad, did it fall over or somethinng?" no, i was up top, cutting down, when the branch i was standing on broke, i hit the ground pretty hard, so i wanted to call someone in case i need help, but i didn;t wanna do the whole ambulance thing if i don't need it"

wet flame
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wtf

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damn bro

white pawn
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"Ok dad, seriously, how high were you when you fell?" "oh, 60 feet or so, i got the top 20 off the tree pretty easy, so, ya know. I did hit a couple branches on the way down, so right now my whole back is on fire, so i let's just talk a minute, how have ya been?"

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so we talked for about 10 minutes, at which point he could feel everything again, and tell he wasn't hurt bad, so he was all "i'm gonna go back up and finish this" and hung up LOL

wet flame
#

WHAT

white pawn
#

and he did actually cut that tree down and two others that day

wet flame
#

bro is he okay

white pawn
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yeah, he had a BIG bruise on his back, but thats it

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looked like somoene beat him with a wall

gilded wharf
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Bro fell off of a tree

white pawn
#

he told me in september he rides "around the neighborhood" one a BMX bicycle with a trailer to collect scrap metal

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i found out later that the "neighborhood" is about 14 square miles

bitter harbor
white pawn
vapid smelt
white pawn
#

needless to say, i sincerely hope i have half the energy that man does when i'm 80 LOL

wet flame
#

whats up veryone

bitter harbor
#

Nothing just shown an abomination to culinary arts

white pawn
white pawn
white pawn
wet flame
white pawn
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just don't laugh, cause you will mess yourself up if they want you to explain the joke ๐Ÿ˜›

white pawn
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oh god no. i recently went to a 20s themed party, the sheer amount of men in truly awful fake mafia outfits was amazing, and of course, every woman there was in a flapper dress and headband with a feather

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oh, the men ALL had white fedoras ๐Ÿ˜›

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so, black suit, white hat, ya know? right out of a movie

bitter harbor
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Was there any alcohol for historical accuracy?

white pawn
#

there was, again, right out of a movie, women walking around with candy boxes, flip em over, there was alcohol underneath

vapid smelt
bitter harbor
wary phoenix
#

Just fixed something for the first time with my ltt screwdriver and god damn thatโ€™s a rush

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Fixed this piece of crap VR controller

white pawn
#

i ended up showing up in a period accurate outfit. (period accurate in cloth, cut, sewing style, and apparance)

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i ended up winning the "who is best dressed" contest, because part of the contest was talking about how you sourced your outfit

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i was one of 4 people there with handmade custom suits and handmade headwear

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the other 3 were the ones who held the party

white pawn
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the realy cool thing was they held it at this old ass plantation style house, that was from the 1800s or so, but had actually been used as a speakeasy in the 20s

white pawn
# vapid smelt mr money bags

stuff like that becomes a LOT cheaper when you learn how to sew yourself, or in my case, you ahve a sister that actually runs a company teaching people to sew LOL

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if i recall, the most expensive thing was the shoes, cause i had to custom order them from overseas. they were 200 bucks

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the fabric was cheap, the fabric mens suits are made out of rally hasn't changed much in around 200ish years or so

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one of the guys there was wearing this straight out of a cheeseball 80s mafia tv show level suit that he bought from a prop company and paid like 5 grand for ๐Ÿ˜›

vapid smelt
#

5grand back then?!

white pawn
#

well, the party was only a year ago

vapid smelt
#

ah

white pawn
#

but he definitely overpaid

#

the jacket was falling apart by the end of the night

willow patrol
#

Does the Spotify premium tab at the bottom go away when you have premium

bitter harbor
white pawn
#

me neither, i don't use spotify at all ๐Ÿ˜›

bitter harbor
#

I use yt music

vapid smelt
#

i use amazon music

white pawn
#

i use amazon music now, but before that i used sirius xm, cause one of the companies i worked for gave out free years of it like candy to employees. and before that it was pandora ๐Ÿ˜›

alpine gale
white pawn
#

Kirashi for the win!

vapid smelt
white pawn
alpine gale
white pawn
vapid smelt
#

smh

white pawn
#

ya know, that should surprise me, but doesnt

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that's a job i never had that i thought would be really cool to have

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oh wow, that explains a lot actually

short rock
alpine gale
short rock
#

I remember there was that one guy on reddit who turned his car thing into a utility second monitor

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like, spotify, media playing, timeline for work, etc

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you can put your volume mixer on it if you do that

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mini DJ action

delicate lintel
#

i dont have a rear exhaust fan and my type of fans only comes in a pack of three... I DONT HAVE SPACE FOR 2 MORE FANS

alpine gale
# short rock I remember there was that one guy on reddit who turned his car thing into a util...

The community modifications are getting good. Still not the original functionality yet, but they're getting there slowly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYKXvpjppsE

Spotify finally did it... they killed the Car Thing. But don't throw yours away! We can unbrick it! Or mod it! Your choice.

Before I mention anything, a huge shoutout to the ThingLabs people. Join their discord for any troubleshooting questions or to help mod the Car thing:
https://discord.gg/car-thing-hax-community-1042954149786046604

Thanks ...

โ–ถ Play video
short rock
#

I believe I've seen that video too

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the guy on reddit did the same thing but took it further

glass mural
#

Lost a bet I did speak like Yoda I must

short rock
#

unfortunate, you are

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mimic you, I will

alpine gale
bitter harbor
white pawn
#

Roger roger, make the bet pay the winner.

glass mural
#

Post DJUNGELSKOG I shall DJUNGELSKOG

vapid smelt
#

im so happy im not the sucker that bought the spotify car thing

white pawn
#

i never even knew it existed till i saw an article that they were about to brick em all

vapid smelt
#

same

alpine gale
restive lion
#

In my mind I have an image of you spinning the black ops 2 mystery box and the voice saying fire sale and landing on a car thing

grim belfry
#

They shouldโ€™ve just left it to die

white pawn
grim belfry
#

Stop updating it and when it stops working, too bad so sad

short rock
#

bricking anything is just a bad idea.

alpine gale
short rock
#

next, we're gonna get apple carplay and android auto bricked in cars unless we pay a subscription fee

white pawn
full fossil
short rock
#

already happening with ventilated car seats. who's stopping them?

short rock
white pawn
short rock
#

my car doesn't have no media player

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you want music? let's see how well you can sing

white pawn
#

when the car got totalled it was the only thing worth taking out of it LOL somehow it survived

grim belfry
#

Hmm I need to get a CarPlay head unit one day

vapid smelt
#

my car has a radio and cassete player

alpine gale
# short rock my car doesn't have no media player

Same. Car stereo has [shitty] Bluetooth, AUX, CD, and AM/FM radio. You want music? Here, pick from a selection of songs already downloaded to my phone, plug your phone into the 3.5mm headphone jack (sike - your phone can't do that), or insert the CDs you definitely brought with you...

white pawn
vapid smelt
white pawn
short rock
alpine gale
short rock
#

yeah. you can get a decent one for 10 bucks if you're smart about it

grim belfry
bitter harbor
white pawn
vapid smelt
#

mine was 18

short rock
alpine gale
short rock
#

how the hell do you think the police will know?

white pawn
grim belfry
#

Unregulated devices like that are the worst, because good luck finding out the EIRP to see if you need to license it

white pawn
#

samsung replaced em, same thing with the new ones LOL after about 10 tries, including paying to upgrade to the gen 2s, i gave up and went back to my Shokz headset

vapid smelt
#

i like my shokz bone conduction headphones

short rock
white pawn
short rock
#

ahh understood

short rock
vapid smelt
#

i wear mine at work

white pawn
short rock
#

where do they sit? inside your mouth, around your ears?

white pawn
#

love em to death, and Shokz is a great company

short rock
#

i see

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that kinda looks uncomfortable

white pawn
#

i had an issue with mine, they asked me to send em in, and they sent me back my originals along with a new one and said "thanks for supporting us from the start"

vapid smelt
#

they are very comfortable super, they are super light

white pawn
#

yeah, you forget you have em on, and they don't plug your ears so you can be listening to music and talking to people at the same time if you set the volume right

white pawn
white pawn
short rock
#

maybe don't try that next time buddy ๐Ÿ™ if you want help you'll get it in #1027757333117415424

white pawn
#

hmm, i think that guy must have hit the "kick me, im a bot" button

vapid smelt
#

dont need to deal with the earwax of inears or the pain of losing just one bud

white pawn
#

if you take one and attach it on the band at the back of the shokz, you can have it looped around your neck and it will either hold them from falling off, or give you a good tug before letting go to let ya know they fell off

white pawn
#

or, yo guys i guess

bitter harbor
short rock
short rock
#

okey battery @ 6% time to go

white pawn
# bitter harbor I am still sorely tempted to press it just to see what happens.

i have a screen in my house run by a Rpi that the screensaver is a huge red button that floats around. on the button it just says "Don't". if you push it(touchscreen) the button centers, looks lit up, and for 10 seconds the words "Please Do NOT Press This Button Again" circle the button. if you press it a second time the rpi fully wakes up and you end up at the dashboard ๐Ÿ™‚

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EVERYONE that sees it the first time presses the button. it's like some genetic compulsion in humanity i swear ๐Ÿ™‚

short rock
#

I presume you're in america?

white pawn
#

United states, yeah

short rock
#

over here if something says "Don't push the button" only people who push the button are toddlers that are intrigued by buttons
but then again that's the designers fault for placing th button so low

white pawn
#

LOL yeah, i think part of it is i have a bunch of self made scifi "art" around the house, so it seems like more stuff that doesn't do much

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i have a wall of blinky lights on industrial panels that when you use the keys on the board the light patterns change with each keypress but does nothing else, stuff like that

manic torrent
white pawn
#

ok, i think i need brain bleach. youtube has done me wrong LOL

grim belfry
#

They are super cool

white pawn
grim belfry
#

Oooh

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I love my loops

grim belfry
#

Great for when itโ€™s not socially acceptable to wear AirPods

white pawn
#

mine has a skeleton hand that flips the switch back

#

not exactly sure where it's at, a bunch of stuff got packed up so my cousin could use it all as props in this indie thing he's filming

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hey, monty python is great!

alpine gale
#

Dry / British and Dark / Cabaret humor are the only kinds I enjoy these days.

manic torrent
wary phoenix
#

Windows mixed reality isnโ€™t just not bad itโ€™s actually like pretty good unironically. Like I was able to play beat saber and no complaints about tracking at all

#

And Iโ€™m used to index

white pawn
wary phoenix
#

Main issue is the head strap is utter ass and required me to tape the headset to my face to stop the blur

white pawn
#

my favorite is the sad ending ๐Ÿ™‚

bitter harbor
manic torrent
#

no, what is that?

#

wow that is incredible. I wonder what other things are on the internet

quasi belfry
#

Ok

crystal pike
#

goodmorning yall

#

Nothing better than starting the day with a queen song

manic torrent
white pawn
crystal pike
#

You both will consider me basic for saying this but its dont stop me now

white pawn
crystal pike
#

I love it so much in the morning

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It gets me going yk

manic torrent
crystal pike
white pawn
#

there's really in my opinion only one not good queen song(let's face it, they didn't have any bad ones)

crystal pike
full fossil
fossil frost
#

you should listen to marc martel, hes a VERY good singer, but, hes also a very good queen singer, looks a bit like freddy too, which helps give him freddies sound

crystal pike
#

(I got like 19 gb left in my data plan)

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the whole plan was 20gb and i already used like a gig

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thank god i dont have windows installed on my laptop otherwise my data plan wouldve turned into a zero in a day

white pawn
#

i REALLY wanna engage with that, but i've currently been awake for 45 hours. so imma go try to sleep ๐Ÿ˜›

terse zodiac
weary wyvern
#

what in the chess

tribal summit
#

hi all! ๐Ÿ‘‹ actually my first discord server join ever ๐Ÿ˜…

minor vale
#

is there anything wrong w my drive ๐Ÿ’€

#

this thing is practically brand new and cant run anything

viscid elm
nimble junco
#

whats the difference

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why are they on there twice

minor vale
#

"ASRock Z690 Pro RS ATX LGA1700"

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there's its full government name

nimble junco
#

what ever happend to wan vpn

viscid elm
#

or replace the cable

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or move it to a different sata slot

grim belfry
minor vale
#

i mean if im replugging it might as well

nimble junco
#

let me see if I can find the clip

grim belfry
#

I don't think they ever said they were going to do that

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Horrible business to get into

#

So much enablement of crime

fossil frost
nimble junco
grim belfry
#

I for one could never run a VPN company

nimble junco
#

I dont think many people could

grim belfry
#

I would hope not

nimble junco
#

it is hard to do

grim belfry
#

That's not the reason bud

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Your service is bound to be used by horrible, horrible people

nimble junco
#

I worked with nord to get a server in my city and that took a while and its still not working

nimble junco
grim belfry
nimble junco
#

I have nord for that and mulvad for everything else

fossil frost
nimble junco
grim belfry
nimble junco
#

Im still shocked by how fast cloudflare expanded

fossil frost
nimble junco
grim belfry
#

You just have to assume that people are doing the worst

grim belfry
fossil frost
nimble junco
grim belfry
#

No ethical consumption under capitalism etc etc

#

But this is completely different

nimble junco
fossil frost
#

you may want to check your moral compas

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exploitative labour practices are not good... but they are by no means equivalent to what VPNs enable people to do

nimble junco
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but what Im saying is, you end up on the short end of the stick at the end of the day, either encouraging exploitive labour practices or hosting a vpn service for the majority of people who wont use it for something bad

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This would be a very different conversation if you lived in a information suppressed country.

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I love arguing on discord

fossil frost
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and i cant be bothered to continue this conversation any longer ๐Ÿ™‚

nimble junco
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awwww

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uh oh

viscid elm
nimble junco
viscid elm
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it is

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i get some nice speeds

grim belfry
viscid elm
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what is parity good for anyways

nimble junco
viscid elm
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just rebuild everything from scratch when it dies

grim belfry
nimble junco
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it kept active stuff on site then updated every 12 hours

grim belfry
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So you're just using a single disk?

nimble junco
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suprised it lasted as long as it did

grim belfry
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Or is it raid0

nimble junco
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rather than raid I just run the instances in seperate vms

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so if one dies there is still 2 more copies

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that drive was from like 2013

viscid elm
nimble junco
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yep

viscid elm
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that makes more sense but also whyyyyy

nimble junco
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because proxmox lets me

viscid elm
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sad

fossil frost
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just because it lets you, it doesnt make it a good idea

nimble junco
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in this case its a good solution

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I run one at home and at work

viscid elm
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truenas scale gets a bit annoyed if you do not have any parity

viscid elm
nimble junco
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I mean I could

viscid elm
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and should

fossil frost
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and should

viscid elm
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ok that was good

nimble junco
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but I already have offsite backups

grim belfry
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What are these people smoking

nimble junco
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and I dont need mass storage cause it uploads to the cloud

viscid elm
viscid elm
fossil frost
# nimble junco but I already have offsite backups

you know what. the multiple people telling you could set it up better and have fewer problems... ignore us.. we are wrong... you do it your way, but, when you do lose data, dont ask for help recovering it... do it your way, yourself

nimble junco
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i can still lose another disk in my degraded pool and be good

nimble junco
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I can lose 2 of these 3 sites and still have all my services up

viscid elm
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but it does have to be in the other vdev

nimble junco
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Yea I like truenas but ACL gets annoying

manic torrent
nimble junco
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just as safe too!

manic torrent
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I run ZFS, raidz2 and have a big pile of containers that run all my workloads.

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If a disk dies, I experience zero loss of service.

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If I have a local fuckup, I can restore from snapshot, and if I have a catastrophic fuckup, restore from cloud storage.

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If my server dies, I'd have to get some other parts, but meh, it's not exactly a HA setup.

nimble junco
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idk the nice thing about this data is that I dont mind losing it

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worst case its on the devices

manic torrent
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Well then it's not lost, is it

nimble junco
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yea true

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but idk 2 offsite backups is good enough for me

manic torrent
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Backups are useless unless you can restore them in a meaningful time

nimble junco
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yup