public-chat

[hearty spear]

some people are just stupid

[graceful burrow]

Can you not directly misinform people thanks

[hearty spear]

no it's fucking not

[wispy marsh]

But not for the cpu

[graceful burrow]

90c is fine too lol

Not even throttle temps lmao

[strange elk]

Shitting me?

[hearty spear]

There is no computer component that cares about being at 80c

[strange elk]

Thought older AMD cards did at some point.

[wispy marsh]

You're right

[hearty spear]

(Well, maybe the liquid in the AIO cares. If that's 80c you have some SERIOUS issues)

[wispy marsh]

Hmm

[graceful burrow]

I just wouldn't run at 90 cause you're so close to throttle temps if the temp does increase you're basically right there

[crystal light]

Keep in mind I like to keep my computers for between 5-8 years

[graceful burrow]

Doesn't matter

[crystal light]

I am 2 years in already

[hearty spear]

still absolutely fine

[wispy marsh]

I push my parts to 90-100C daily

I should dial back on the GPU

[strange elk]

100? good lord. im uncomfortable with 90 on any of my parts (seems Ive fixed it though fingers crossed)

[zinc oracle]

My GPU crashes sometimes bc of the overclock but other then that it's fine

[wispy marsh]

100 on gpu hotspot in cyberpunk 2077, the only game that runs the GPU that hot

[strange elk]

VRChat is my hottest game, for CPU. Idek for GPU it doesnt go that high during stressing so I never bothered to care

[crystal light]

So you guys think that I can configure my CPU to deliver way more performance if I tweak settings?

[hollow scroll]

God I love randomly turning on my pc to find Logitech g hub has fucked up again and now my mouse isn't recognised or the LEDs won't turn or god knows what else and I have to uninstall it and reinstall it

[zinc oracle]

Not really, modern CPUs are already very optomized

[hearty spear]

so basically your issues:

1. you have a wimpy ass cooler, and should get a better one. PA 120 SE is a great cooler and a bargain.

2. your motherboard settings are bad. You should look into fixing those. Youtube can probably help

3. don't worry so much about 80c, it's REALLY not a problem.

[hearty spear]

incorrect. His mobo settings a fucking him over.

[wispy marsh]

Have you tried ram tuning and curve optimiser?

CO is a godsend on CPU temps

[hearty spear]

shut the fuck up

[crystal light]

I have DOCP enabled

[wispy marsh]

[hearty spear]

You haven't been in on the conversation and you're /wrong/

[wispy marsh]

Yes, i'm wrong

[crystal light]

Wait the fan control thing or is there something I have somehow never heard of?

[hearty spear]

his motherboard is capping his 5700x at 3.6ghz instead of 4.6ghz.
The settings are straight up wrong.

[wispy marsh]

Default settings?

Lemme scroll up more

[strange elk]

I know there was an intel recommended specs button for Jay that Ive NEVER seen before.. wonder if thats available for AMD as well

[hearty spear]

repeating for the fucking peanut gallery:

so basically your issues:

1. you have a wimpy ass cooler, and should get a better one. PA 120 SE is a great cooler and a bargain.

2. your motherboard settings are bad. You should look into fixing those. Youtube can probably help

3. don't worry so much about 80c, it's REALLY not a problem.

[crystal light]

It used to go to 4.6 before I turned on ASUS Optimal and it just stabilized at 3.6

[hearty spear]

AMD has the same issues, but not to the extent that the motherboards are breaking Intel CPUs now.

[hearty spear]

yes, and if it's capped at 3.6 you're leaving a /ton/ of performance on the table.

The settings are wrong and need to be fixed.

[strange elk]

AMD had that issue already before Intel lmao.

[wispy marsh]

Sorry, yeah, i saw that. The coolermaster cooler is not great.

[strange elk]

Asus just didnt learn from their mistake they JUST made

AGAIN. and AGAIN. AND AGAIN.

[crystal light]

What are the chances that the PS120 won't fit in my case?

[wispy marsh]

I was talking about the wrong points

[crystal light]

I have a standard mid tower ATX

[hearty spear]

Well, the 7800x3d (and related CPUs) was a different issue entirely.

[hearty spear]

no such thing as standard. what case?

[wispy marsh]

D15

Don't listen to me

[crystal light]

Antec NX260

[strange elk]

Bottom line, largely the issue is motherboard default tuning being too high

[crystal light]

Keep in mind I also have an ASrock 6600 xt inside too

[hearty spear]

Google that.

Click on Antec's site. (it's probably one of the top 2 or 3 hits)

Look for "CPU Cooler Clearance"

[hearty spear]

won't matter with standard coolers.

[crystal light]

How have I not found that page yet lol

[hearty spear]

it's literally hit 1 for me when I google the case

[wispy marsh]

I like that case

It's black, it's got lighting and it's got plenty of air

[hearty spear]

seems like a solid no-frills choice

[strange elk]

Wondering if I should use Zen 5 as a base for setting up a NAS.

[hearty spear]

it'd be fine, but fuck off overkill

[strange elk]

Ill probably run containers in it as well

[hearty spear]

(unless you mean an 8000 APU? Those'd be bitchin with the GPU power they have for transcoding)

[wispy marsh]

He can fit a thermalright frost commander inside that case

[strange elk]

I was just looking for efficiency

[strange elk]

Id have Jellyfin with 4k playback on it so..

[hearty spear]

the only downside to the 8000 APUs: They're very limited on PCIE lanes. so be forewarned there.

[wispy marsh]

I kinda forgot what is jellyfin after Linus said they were a bad price

[hearty spear]

there's 2 jellyfins

[strange elk]

I plan on adding this to an 8 drive mini ITX setup, probably will have a 2.5gb network card

[hearty spear]

one make NAS-adjacent boxes.

One is a plex alternative.

They are /not/ the same.

[wispy marsh]

Back to the antec case, a 140mm frost commander for the future R9 9950X3D

[wispy marsh]

Oh!

He was referring to the NAS box

[hearty spear]

V was talking about the plex replacement.

[strange elk]

I forgot about the Jellyfish boxes entirely lmao

[sharp topaz]

Yall Linus smash or pass ?

[strange elk]

Im talking about the FOSS media server

[wispy marsh]

I have a TV not being used at home, and I'm thinking of running a media streaming server like you mentioned

The problem is that I'm also interested in trying out a small language model

[hearty spear]

and the jellyfin media server is /free/

[wispy marsh]

And i have a 2600 + GT720, of which the i7 is running a proxmox server solely for smb (currently)

[strange elk]

Thats called the "Jellyfish Fryer" the NAS boxes y'all are talking about. SSD based

[hearty spear]

intel or amd 2600?

[hearty spear]

yeah, but Sif was saying something about jellyfin being a bad price, which obviously isn't the case with "free" software

[wispy marsh]

Smb, smb

[wispy marsh]

Yeah, Linus brought up the hardware solution

[hearty spear]

not jellyfin
https://www.lumaforge.com/jellyfish

[strange elk]

Im way too poor for those things lmao. Im just getting 8 8tb WD blues XD

[hearty spear]

so, did you find your cooler clearance yet?

[crystal light]

yes

[wispy marsh]

Yes, the brand and "jellyfish" sounds familiar. I want a ugreen NAS, but the 2600 is alive and well

[crystal light]

I have space for the PS120SE

[wispy marsh]

Sorry bout the confusion

[hearty spear]

once you have that installed, and you look up better motherboard settings on youtube, you'll probably see a significant score boost

[crystal light]

Oh you think I should get a new cooler before tweaking the settings? Makes sense I guess

[hearty spear]

YOu can probably get some of the score improvement if you tweak first, but your temps will go /up/

[crystal light]

Well it basically never goes above 70C even on the hardest of loads so

[strange elk]

OEM/integrated NAS solutions like Synology arent for me. I mean Ill probably grab some secondhand rack hardware eventually from the likes of Dell or HP but other than that I just build my own machines.

[wispy marsh]

Are you interested in a proxmox server running 16gb and a 2600? /j

It's got four cores!

[strange elk]

If I wanted that Id make my 2400G into one :P

[wispy marsh]

[wispy marsh]

Big cooler good for sustaining high clocks

[strange elk]

Well I guess I kinda do, but I dont have the space or money rn lmao. Need this case and the remaining drives. https://a.co/d/6BdoPJD

[wispy marsh]

Until you hit a physics limit like the 500w 13900k experiment

Linus did a direct die cooling with an industrial cooler

[wispy marsh]

I've got Q300L

[strange elk]

HAF XB Evo for my main machine

[crystal light]

Even if it is still air and not water?

[hollow scroll]

I don't know what this trend is to make a video on connecting a windows xp machine to the internet and expecting hackers to send viruses to your machine, just isn't true

[wispy marsh]

My main machine is half the size at 18L

[strange elk]

Hey I love my huge industrial case with 2 hot swap bays, removable mobo tray and 5.25" bays

[wispy marsh]

The biggest, baddest air coolers can be on par with an average 240mm AIO, but 280mm is a sweet spot right now and I believe it'll cool the new i7's nicely

R7's are much more energy efficient and consumes much less power, Tkitch's recommendations are good enough

[strange elk]

I dont so much love I got the Kraken X53 over an air cooler but it is what it is

God the LCD coolers are about as expensive ("cheap") as my rgb ring one was lmao

[wispy marsh]

If you really want a monster, you could go for 140mm or 150mm air coolers, but beware the height limit

[crystal light]

Well I am kind of on a budget of sorts so I think I will just go for the PS120 SE

[wispy marsh]

My words sounds wrongly ordered

[strange elk]

I guess its been 3 years since I pasted my cooler..

[wispy marsh]

It's been more since i last touched the vega 64 in the other gaming pc

[strange elk]

Just dont see a reason why it would hit 90 with PBO off and undervolted to 1.1

[wispy marsh]

I should put the shroud back and redo the fan configuration

It's crashing because i have two T30's on a single fan header

[harsh quartz]

Sounds like you need some ptm7950

[wispy marsh]

(And it hasn't worked since little brother took it apart and wrecked it)

[strange elk]

Lmao I have 4 tubes of thermal compound rn I dont need something else

[spare crystal]

:) soon ;)

[onyx prawn]

hi

[spare crystal]

Hey

[hollow scroll]

We'll see

[spare crystal]

Lmao

[polar fern]

https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/112479974357074203

This is possibly the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen

Yes, let’s put all of our activity including key strokes at the mercy of potential cyber attackers

It honestly sounds less like a feature and more like someone at Microsoft is trying to install outright snoopware

[silver sun]

149

[covert cradle]

As long as it doesn't send it to msft, it's not any additional risk. However like most msft products, I'm sure it has optional feedback defaulted on that will occasionally upload screenshots to msft for training.

[covert cradle]

What are you counting anyways?

[silver sun]

Just counting, no real reason

🙂

[sage quiver]

I remember a third-party mac app doing something similar ~6 years ago

IIRC it was cloud-based, and the company ended up shutting down?

[hearty spear]

AI is the new hotness for everyone with scummy intents to fuck over less educated users.

[harsh quartz]

Third party? I’m surprised it’s not baked into Mac since they already have that one that scans all your photos and reports those to apple :p

[sage quiver]

That was canned before it was ever rolled out :P

[hearty spear]

but apparently not un-deleting long removed images after a software update

[sage quiver]

What the fuck is wrong with my Discord rn

highlighting is broken

[hearty spear]

desktop, mobile, or web?

[sage quiver]

They're blaming database corruption now

[hearty spear]

Oh, sometimes highlighting doesn't happen, it's weird.

[sage quiver]

Canary desktop

After an update. Restart didn't resolve.

[silk quarry]

quick question- what is the architecture of a gpu chip? like a 4090 or 7900xtx. is it arm or x86? gotta be x86 right? ( to stupid to understand)

[hearty spear]

There was one person who Merch Messaged the WAN Show saying they don't use icloud for photos, and it still happened

[cosmic copper]

i was just about to complain about this somewhere too

they also changed the channels

[hearty spear]

nope. GPUs use their own stuff. can't be compared to PC Chips

[hearty spear]

@steel pond would be better at explaining

[cosmic copper]

you actually cannot tell which one is selected and which one has unread messages. Its so very dumb

[steel pond]

Wot? U wanna foit?

[sage quiver]

"Addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted."
I don't think this was an iCloud issue, though it could go either way.

[strange elk]

Me neither

[sage quiver]

So it's collective misery, then!

[hearty spear]

a big part of it is the use case
Desktop CPUs are a "We will do absolutely everything and anything you throw at us" (and sometimes they do it badly, but can still do it)

GPU Processors are much more unitaskers "We do a very few specific types of data processing, and do it REALLY WELL."

[polar fern]

@covert cradle anyone could break into the thing & take literal second by second screen caps of months of activity, including keystrokes & uncensored passwords.

It’s very bad

[covert cradle]

If someone has broken into your machine, they don't need this copilot+ to steal anything from you

[hearty spear]

but if it was enabled, they can retroactively get a shit ton of info without any extra work

[covert cradle]

It's encrypted. While I'm sure there could be a way to extract the keys, it's not "without any extra work"

[steel pond]

Think of the architectures like this : x86-64 is like a car shop with one bay with one mechanic to work on the car. A car pulls in and each part of the car that needs to be fixed gets worked on in order. The tires get changed, then the oil, etc. A GPU (AMD, Intel NVIDIA) is like thousands of bays with multiple mechanics in each bay. Multiple parts of the car are repaired at the same time and if a part of the car can't be fixed in one bay it is moved to another.

If you have a multi core CPU then you expand the amount of bays, multi threading adds more mechanics. But imagine the CPU bays are HUGE and the GPU bays are tiny.

You can fit more GPU bays in the same area as a CPU bay.

[polar fern]

@covert cradle so you’re ok with your government running recall? Doctor? Therapist?

[covert cradle]

So you think all scenarios have the exact same threat model?

[steel pond]

As far as what each architecture can run... there's no reason why CPU applications can't run on GPU and GPU on CPU. It comes down to how it is coded. CPU tasks are normally not extremely multi-threaded. Maybe up to 8 in a normal program where things aren't really able to be chunked apart. A GPU workload is massively parallelized.

[harsh quartz]

Mmm not sure about that one. I can’t remember the name of it but there’s something, imma try to remember the name of it

[harsh quartz]

Mediaanalysisd, it scans photos and creates an index. There’s also been accusations of it reporting that index back to apple

[sage quiver]

Oh, that. Was debunked quite quickly :P
https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/01/21/tests-confirm-macos-finder-isnt-scanning-for-csam-images/

[polar fern]

@steel pond spreads the heat out on the die a bit better too

https://misdake.github.io/ChipAnnotationViewer/?map=GP104&commentId=477878931

[sage quiver]

Found it! https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/18/atlas-informatics-calls-it-quits-after-less-than-a-year/

[harsh quartz]

I remember it was declined that it was used for that purpose, but the service does phone home for some reason or other

Why it does, no clue

[polar fern]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ever-wondered-whats-inside-your-gpu.234814/

Microscopic view of 16 nm fins

Çćčċ

Č drive

Vroom

I wonder if Jake likes 90’s jdm 🤔

[nova ingot]

https://x.com/noctua_at/status/1792934501066150377

Noctua (@Noctua_at) on X

Leveraging our superior, award-winning fan technology for home, office and multi-purpose ventilation applications! Discover the full Noctua HOME line-up now:

Twitter · May 21, 2024, 3:04 PM

Yikes expected $30+20. Maybe $30+30 at most

[hearty spear]

Didn't the fan showdown have one of these that someone made for them?

but I fully expect someone on ali to make this bracket and channeling device within a week

[sage quiver]

They straight up released STLs for the duct thing

[hearty spear]

noctua or fan showdown?

[sage quiver]

Noctua

https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier

[hearty spear]

not like it's an especially complicated part

[sage quiver]

This whole thing is an A12X25 with a bunch of accessories

[hearty spear]

yep

[graceful burrow]

Aren't they charging a hundred yucks for it

[hearty spear]

the frame is really simple. so it's getting copied within a week lol

yes 100 bux

[sage quiver]

For the whole kit yeah

[graceful burrow]

That's absurd but unfortunately on brand for noctua

[hearty spear]

What I'd want is that, but with a pot on the side that you can control the speed with.

[sage quiver]

$15 for the “airflow amplifier” or you can print yourself

Oof the mount is $40

$30 PSU

[steel pond]

there are so many products on amazon that are just rip offs from the open source/3d printing community

I'm looking at you, Tesla.

[steel pond]

$80 Model Y rear cargo pocket liners.

😐 I can 3d print one out of TPU in an hour or two... and it will cost me maybe 30 cents

Printings right now! 🙂

[sage quiver]

I hate working with TPU

Ooh fancy

[steel pond]

I want to get another one lol

[hearty spear]

is TPU the flexy filament?

[steel pond]

Yeah

[graceful burrow]

The sell a fan speed thing! You can buy it separately and give them even more money!

[steel pond]

I use the 95d TPU, it isn't super squishy but it is still flexible

ninjaflex == 3D printing hell.

[hearty spear]

https://www.amazon.com/Controller-100-240vAC-Adjustable-Splitter-Multi-Functional/dp/B0BBSBV9CF/

[stoic beacon]

New PowerToys module is pretty slick. Never knew I needed it until now

Paste as JSON will be amazing

[ocean narwhal]

not being used " FOR THAT PURPOSE " kek

[full fossil]

why cpu so hot

[untold scroll]

hi

[nova ingot]

They’ve been floating around for a while. Never got around to printing one waiting for the official but seeing the price I might as well

I don’t have a problem paying $100 for a whole room fan if the sound and performance is there.

[sage quiver]

Visual Lookup is a feature for identifying landmarks and such in images, on request. Read the actual analysis:
https://eclecticlight.co/2023/01/18/is-apple-checking-images-we-view-in-the-finder/

[hearty spear]

sure, but a 120mm fan ain't that

[sage quiver]

What if you live in a PC case

[hearty spear]

I mean... my right foot might fit in a case

[harsh quartz]

Wait it’s 100$ for a 120mm fan? I saw this and though it was like a normal desk fan size for that price

[hearty spear]

no, it's an a12x25 fan

it's literally a noctua PC Fan with some bits added on, and being sold for 100 bux

[nova ingot]

It’s just a DIY kit. Not even a full product. At most I’d pay $50 for a desk fan if it was REALLY good.

and the difference between a $20 floppy box fan vs a $100 vornado I can see the value in in terms of cost ownership over time and quality of construction

[harsh quartz]

Yeah that’s ridiculous. Like I said, I thought it was a normal size desk fan

[nova ingot]

Especially in sound profile

If Noctua made a 8-10 inch box fan competitor for $100 I’d go for it

If anyone knows a good tutorial/fole/lift of parts that I can print (the concept has been around for a while) I’m interested

[lavish narwhal]

So Windows 12 will be coming out with AI spyware

that constantly screenshots everything?

[hearty spear]

maybe

I suspect that a lot of that is still a "this is an idea" phase

[lavish narwhal]

still werid af

and dystopian

[vapid smelt]

I prefer my cheaper arctic fans

[rare otter]

Lowkey vibin rn in legacy minecraft

[nova ingot]

I do like the cool kit asthetic for this style of fans but I’ll probably just get a 3D printed shroud and stick one of my arctics in it

[white pawn]

It occurs to me that Miss Moxy is correctly pointing at the current "State of Linus" 😛

[opal thunder]

Burger.

Thoughts?

I'm pretty hungry so I think those would be nice. 🍔

[harsh quartz]

Get a Freddie’s burger

[vapid smelt]

With onions right?

[opal thunder]

Perhaps.

May have to check the fridge.

[harsh quartz]

Caramelized?

[opal thunder]

🤤

[vapid smelt]

Ofc gives it more flavor

[opal thunder]

ffs why did the intrusive thoughts about burgers have to come out rn.

[harsh quartz]

No tomatoes tho

[opal thunder]

Made me hungrier.

[vapid smelt]

I dislike tomatoes

But like tomatoes based things like salsa and ketchup

Now I want a Hawaiian BBQ burger fuck you @opal thunder

[opal thunder]

Me too.

Burger.

🍔

[harsh quartz]

Depends on the time of year for tomatoes, I like tomatoes very rarely, usually they just taste like lumpy water tho

[opal thunder]

Agree.

[idle pivot]

Change My Mind: The 3090 Should get DLSS 3 and nvidia ai, and be rebranded as the 4070 ti 24 Gb and the 3090 ti should become the 4070 ti super 24 gb

[gilded quest]

The rebranding idea is super dumb

[idle pivot]

but its something nvidia would do

and re use the die

[gilded quest]

Uhhh
I don't think it is

That's Radeon logic

[idle pivot]

no thats geforce logic

[harsh quartz]

Nothing with 24gb is an nvidia idea

[idle pivot]

true

radeon is better

[gilded quest]

Nvidia doesn't take last gen dies and call it a current gen product (GT series not withstanding)

That's literally AMDs moves until vega

[idle pivot]

vega was like 2000 years ago

and the 7900 xtx is basically as fast as the 4090 at less than half the price

[gilded quest]

Shockingly, neither GPU maker has been into rebranding dies in the last few years

[idle pivot]

and radeon has better vram

better futureproofing

[gilded quest]

Oh no the F word

[harsh quartz]

What were those low end cards they made during the pandemic

[idle pivot]

3050

[gilded quest]

3050 is ampere

[harsh quartz]

Not that

[idle pivot]

nvidia lost our trust

amd is coming

[gilded quest]

Actually
Nvidia took an ampere die and called it 2050

[covert forge]

Ampere in naming pascal in performance

[stable birch]

woohoo ubuntu and jellyfin updates installed without any issue.

[idle pivot]

damn my laptops bouta die

[harsh quartz]

Didn’t they make like 16** cards during the pandemic?

[gilded quest]

They were still turing

The 16 series had some shenanigans with media engines

But they were turing all the way down

[harsh quartz]

I just remeber both nvidia and amd put out utter garbage cards during the shortage to be like “here are crumbs for the peasants”

[gilded quest]

Sure, but that's not the same as rebranding a last gen product as current gen

That's just releasing garbage

[harsh quartz]

Yeah, I legitimately didn’t know what architectures it was, or what it was branded as, it’s why I was trying to remember the card names and i haven’t been able to

[gilded quest]

RTX 2050/3050, RX 6400/6500 were garbage, but they were true to their current gen architecture

RTX 2050 is an anomaly since it was a 20 series name released during 30 series with an ampere (30 series) processor

Both Rx cards were rdna2

[harsh quartz]

Na it wasn’t the 2050 or 3050 I was talking about. They were bad but not like the others.

[gilded quest]

Gimped in other ways

[gilded quest]

The mining cards?

[harsh quartz]

Idk, I might just be thinking about 1650

[gilded quest]

They sold the 1650 for far too long

[harsh quartz]

I remeber that during the shortage there were 3050s and another card, that were being sold as “cheap” nvidia cards or cheap laptop cards

[gilded quest]

RTX 2050 laptop

[harsh quartz]

My guy it wasn’t the 2050

[gilded quest]

Are you talking about the 3050 6gb? 3060 8gb?

[marsh oracle]

what chemicals do i need for nitroglycerin (asking for a friend) (hypothetically)

and hypothetically once its made, how stable is it?

[graceful burrow]

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/134479?hl=en

[marsh oracle]

cant find it on google

i suck at using google

[gilded quest]

Have you tried yahoo!

[marsh oracle]

hell no

[graceful burrow]

This seems like a skill issue
Anyway

[graceful burrow]

Did you ever get that Minolta scanner up and running again

[harsh quartz]

I’m also trying to get a Konica minolta scanner running atm and I’m failing miserably

[graceful burrow]

How so

[covert forge]

💀💀

[sinful hatch]

hi

[harsh quartz]

Trying to set up SMB scanning to local computers/server and it just keeps erroring out. Idk, I’ve set up SMB hundreds of times and this just ain’t working :p

And Konica minolta doesn’t give good error messages to help with troubleshooting

[still rapids]

hi

[hoary quail]

i be quivering

[graceful burrow]

I don't think I've ever heard of smb scanning I won't lie

[harsh quartz]

It’s fairly common, and it’s usually easy to set up. Requires and account on the PC which has access to a folder, and the scanner just points to that folder, using those account credentials, and it scans to it

Also can be called scan to network or scan to file

[graceful burrow]

Oh it just saves it to a folder on the network
My scanner isn't able to do anything like that lol

Since I'm using vuescan id be using the computer it's plugged into to save it to a networked folder

[harsh quartz]

Most MFP printers are capable of it, especially enterprise ones like Konica minoltas

[graceful burrow]

Yeah mine is (was) a prosumer 35mm film scanner

[harsh quartz]

Yeah that’s a little more specialized :l

[graceful burrow]

Yeah lol

[harsh quartz]

But usually if a printer failed an SMB scan, it gives you a specific error of which part failed, Konicas just say “failed to send” or something generic

[graceful burrow]

I blame smb tbh
Fucking hate samba

[harsh quartz]

Yeah it’s not amazing

On another note, has anyone ever had candy shipped from Australia to the US?

[solemn axle]

what would you use instead of that

[graceful burrow]

Anything available

[harsh quartz]

My favorite part about it is when it says you don’t have access but your the admin account 🙂

[graceful burrow]

:)

[hearty spear]

he wasn't blue

[harsh quartz]

Oof, there’s nuke

[zinc oracle]

Why did discord crash

[harsh quartz]

I am 🙂

[full fossil]

What happened to the message history?

[hearty spear]

it didn't, chat nuke

[harsh quartz]

The nuke will often crash people’s discord

[zinc oracle]

ahh

[harsh quartz]

Na, the nuke actually does crash people sometime

[hearty spear]

weird, never had that happen

[harsh quartz]

It’s pretty funny

[full fossil]

Well good morning everyone. What a lovely first thing to log into

[solemn axle]

Firefox's task manager shows Discord uses 4Gb of RAM, hate it

[zinc oracle]

lol

[covert forge]

64 bit version right? 💀

[full fossil]

How?

[solemn axle]

Yep

[covert forge]

Mhmm makes sense

[harsh quartz]

Discord taking as much as all of windows

[hearty spear]

browser apps can eat a ton of RAM

[full fossil]

That's just gross Discord

[covert forge]

It uses more ram than the 32bit version

[full fossil]

Good thing you don't use Chrome

[hearty spear]

I've seen way worse from FB

[harsh quartz]

Also firefox chugs way more than chrome in my experience

[solemn axle]

I mean, from the bright side of the things, i do not use Windows

[covert forge]

Chrome has memory saver feature

[harsh quartz]

It actually works pretty well

It’s good for work

[solemn axle]

Also i would say Spidermonkey is much slower than Google's V8

[full fossil]

Might give chromium a try at some point again. Use to never be the fase

[covert forge]

I’ve never heard of spider monkey

[full fossil]

Case* fuck I can't type on touch screen

[solemn axle]

Firefox's JS engine

[covert forge]

Ah

[hearty spear]

so I was curious, so I jumped into chrome discord

it's bouncing around in the 350-400mb range

[harsh quartz]

Chrome is a good work browser, cause I need to have 15 tabs open and only using 3. The memory saver is good. Firefox will just keep keep chugging with more tabs :p

[harsh quartz]

At home I use firefox cause I only have like 3 tabs open max

[covert forge]

Yet some laptops ironically ship with 4gb ram 💀

[solemn axle]

As a person with 30 tabs opened, i feel attacked

[full fossil]

I thought Firefox auto hibernate tabs since 2010. Although I'm an idiot so could be wrong.

[harsh quartz]

Those aren’t laptops, those are mistakes

[covert forge]

Like how do you do anything with that

[hearty spear]

chromebooks

[harsh quartz]

I mean, very possibly, I don’t know how it works, I just seen the numbers, it’s purely anecdotal experience I’m going off of

[hearty spear]

(you shouldn't do it with 4gb, but they do ship that way)

[covert forge]

Maybe on windows 7? They might work well

[harsh quartz]

4gb of memory and 10gb of storage

[hearty spear]

probably 16

[solemn axle]

I have oe with 2Gb of ram, usually you use zram + swap

[covert forge]

Reminds me of my 2016 MacBook 8gb ram 128gb ssd

[hearty spear]

10's a weird number for storage

[solemn axle]

ZRam allows to cheat around +75/100% of ram and swap is... swap

[covert forge]

Got ripped off with that

[full fossil]

Did a Google, It does but apparently chromium is waay better. I'll download either Brave or Vivaldi

[harsh quartz]

I had a very cheap be try early on chrome book and it only shipped with 10gb free, likely had more but it was storing OS and apps and whatnot. But I only had 10 more for extra apps/files/updates

[covert forge]

Cost like 750 back in 2018 or 2017

[solemn axle]

Thorium AVX2 was quite nice

[harsh quartz]

Never tried those. I use chrome for work purposes just cause it’s basic and good for compatibility (yeah I know websites are supposed to work with any chromium, but they don’t all work)

[solemn axle]

basically it is a chromium fork with avx2 optimizations that google stripped from the foss repo & without Chrome's telemetry

[full fossil]

I'll give it a try if it's still in development. Cheers

[solemn axle]

https://github.com/Alex313031/Thorium-Win/releases generally avx2 should work on most modern pcs

if they don't, run aida64 to determine the set of instructions you have and download appropriate package nwm, i sure you know the stuff

[full fossil]

I'll follow the wiki/readme if I get stumped. Cheers, I'm on Linux anyway so I'll check my repos first

[solemn axle]

Sadly it isn't in nix's repo or else I would say to look there

[vapid smelt]

Nearly all phones come with 6-8gb

A laptop would be horrible

[covert forge]

Yeah it’s like 300 dollar laptops usually

[grim belfry]

Both Lenovo and HP have stopped making Windows laptops with less than 8GB RAM

[gilded cypress]

hi :0

[thin fjord]

Omg red big fan

Where’s blue?

[velvet marsh]

No they haven't

[solemn axle]

used thinkpads for $300 have at least 8 of ram and some 16

• nice keyboard

and red nipple

[grim belfry]

I may have worded that wrong based on assumption.
Both Lenovo and HP have stopped selling Windows laptops with less than 8GB RAM to end users and distributors in Australia

[gilded cypress]

idrk bro ditched me 😦

[velvet marsh]

Ah yeah, they are still widely available in the US

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-14-ep0010nr-14-laptop-hd-intel-processor-n200-with-4gb-memory-128gb-ufs-natural-silver/6547350.p?skuId=6547350
Some at stupid prices

[solemn axle]

Almost all manufactures have stopped selling Windows laptops with less than 8Gb RAM to end users and distributors in Russia

but tbh almost any laptops

[grim belfry]

I think you'll find that's just old stock getting sold off

[velvet marsh]

I mean released 2023

It's intel's most recent processor in that class

[grim belfry]

They only sell N200 Chromebooks now

Much wiser, Windows isn't fun on an N200

[full fossil]

Hello!

[solemn axle]

i mean, for $180 they do not look thaat bad

[full fossil]

Not a voice channel here? 😦

[solemn axle]

oh,nwm

[grim belfry]

Great when running ChromeOS yeah

[solemn axle]

I checked all specs

[solemn axle]

not a bad way to make people switch from windows tho

[long briar]

Not for regulars, hasn't had one since like 2018. Too difficult to moderate. If you get floatplane then there's one for those guys

[full fossil]

Oh that makes sense, great server though

[solemn axle]

they say it hold battery for 10 hours tho

like new snapdragon laptops except for the computational power

[dusk garnet]

What does it mean when you put a phone underwater you remove it from the water and then a specific video on the phones ínternal memory gets corrupted

It happened to me with a old samsung trend lite

[velvet marsh]

Also don't get floatplane for the voice chat,no one is ever in it

[graceful burrow]

Dawg someone is actively talking to you about this in another chat

Or at least similar enough to where you can work it into the convo insanely easily

[pliant karma]

then there are those that stay in vc for hours and hours solo

[long briar]

bro this guy-

There's no shot he asks a question then leaves

[gilded quest]

Haven't tried it cause we got the new scanner

[graceful burrow]

that's fair lol

[lilac bear]

pure coincidence

if water corrupted the NAND you wouldn't be able to boot the phone to begin with

...maybe thats why he is gone

[near nymph]

@grim belfry Lol Hong Kong got polymer notes before Mainland China

[dire bough]

So I finally plugged in the PC I bought off the chairty stream

That background

Classic

I blame Elijah

[long briar]

Canada got polymer notes ages ago while USA still hasn't. It's not surprising

[near nymph]

Eh... Doing coke with a Benjamin won't be the same if it's plastic

[dire bough]

It would be easier

And the stuff wouldn't stick to the note

[near nymph]

Sharper corners

[grim belfry]

pretty

[dire bough]

The plastic isnt sharp

[lilac bear]

plastic can cut you

[dire bough]

it's just a stiff plastic bag

[grim belfry]

Are they still different depending on bank?

[long briar]

it's as sharp as it is new

[near nymph]

Lol have you tried doing it with a Canadian bill?

Ouchy

[dire bough]

Can't say I have the experience

[grim belfry]

Coke burns your nose anyway

[long briar]

if the bill was minted recently, then the corners can be sharp. If the bill is older, the edges and corners do wear out

[near nymph]

Hong Kong? Yeah I think Hong Kong's government issued ones are plastic. HSBC issued ones are still paper

[grim belfry]

Interesting

[near nymph]

This 10 yuan bill feels plasticy...

[near nymph]

Aye I got one of those

🤣

[lilac bear]

😂

[thin fjord]

smh fake friend

[chrome herald]

hi

[near nymph]

Dang China to Canada shipping is FAST

[lilac bear]

you and your dang vancouver port

[neon mesa]

Somehow faster than when I'm shipping from china to malaysia

Actually, about as fast, but customs held it for a whole week

[eager notch]

So I've apparently been running my ram at 2666 MHz for months

[old yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/jealousy-looks-terrible-on-you-bruce-sun-the-brothers-sun-don't-be-jealous-netflix-gif-14525621698235094782

[near nymph]

It's faster when I'm in China

Same day 😂 in Shenzhen

[grim belfry]

Advertisers: this just makes me suspicious

[sturdy vessel]

how can i block a website on google pixel 2 XL chrome with no extensions

[grim belfry]

Parental controls

[alpine gale]

Device management settings controlled from the Google Admin dashboard via a Google Enterprise / Workspace subscription. The device must be enrolled, of course.
https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/7532419?hl=en

[near nymph]

Zoom zoom 3d printing

[polar fern]

Still trying to wrap my head around this msft “recall” stunt

US currency is used globally & switching to plastic which is not sustainable in any measure is a stupid idea.

[grim belfry]

Polymer banknotes last much longer than paper banknotes, and are recyclable at eol

[polar fern]

Doesn’t matter it’s still made from crude oil and they are not recyclable. It’s a stupid idea.

The vast majority of plastic is not recycled

Especially plastic films

[grim belfry]

Banknotes do get recycled.

[polar fern]

plastic films are typically sent to the landfill, or they get blown or washed out to sea

[grim belfry]

Plastic films have nothing to do with banknotes?

[polar fern]

It is a plastic film

[grim belfry]

Polymer banknotes get recycled.
https://www.bankofcanada.ca/banknotes/bank-note-series/frontiers/lifespan-bank-note/#:~:text=Once notes are worn and,made from 100%25 recycled plastic.
https://www.noteprinting.com/newsacrhive/2022/9/12/polymer-banknote-recycling-enters-the-circular-economy

[polar fern]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypropylene#Biaxially_oriented_polypropylene_.28BOPP.29

Ah yes, more greenwashing

It’s amazing what people will believe.

There are literally like a hundred billion US bills in circulation.

switching all of that to plastic would be catastrophic for the environment

[full fossil]

I have a question

[grim belfry]

You don't replace them all at once, you can still find paper banknotes in Australia

[grim belfry]

https://dontasktoask.com

[polar fern]

The population of Australia is less than double the population of Pennsylvania where I live

[grim belfry]

Okay?

[full fossil]

So, i have a 8-9 year old motherboard and idk what to do with it

[blissful star]

Okay?

[grim belfry]

eBay

[polar fern]

eBay

[blissful star]

eBay

[grim belfry]

You don't replace all the banknotes at once, you replace them with polymer notes when they already would have been replaced.

[polar fern]

You could also try to sell to A company or person that will reuse the components on the board

[full fossil]

It has corrosion and when i took it in for a test, it sparked

[spice wing]

Same

[polar fern]

You’re still advocating for producing literally tons of plastic

[blissful star]

Throw it in the trashhh

[polar fern]

You don’t throw PCBs in the trash you have to take it to a electronic recycling location

Those boards have toxic stuff on them like lead

[blissful star]

Yea yea Whatever

[full fossil]

Do i still go to ebay with a 3rd gen and 4th gen intel processor

[blissful star]

Don't ask me lol

[polar fern]

Also paper straw and carbon emissions are not directly coupled. Using paper straws is a great alternative to plastic. Has little to do with emissions. You’re confusing carbon emissions with biodegradability

[blissful star]

Your pfp 💀

[polar fern]

Ya?

[grim belfry]

Not cool dude

[blissful star]

I haven't said anything

It's all cool

[polar fern]

I do not miss using discord

[grim belfry]

lol

[polar fern]

I should probably go plug my girlfriend’s car in

[grim belfry]

Okay?

[polar fern]

She has a plug-in hybrid, and I normally plug it in way earlier than this

[blissful star]

Bro u don't have to lie to us

[polar fern]

?

[blissful star]

Lool

[polar fern]

she is a wonderful person, but she does not know how to back into the driveway so the charging cable can reach.

[blissful star]

Teach her!

[idle nymph]

yeah lol

it'll prolly take you less time to teach her rather than plugging it in for her everytime

[polar fern]

some people just have different spatial awareness it’s not about teaching also she’s perfectly capable of doing things on her own.

BRB gotta move the car and plug it in

[vagrant flower]

Nice!

[idle nymph]

i mean how hard can it be ? geniunly asking, is the driveway really small ?

like do they not teach something like that in driving school or is she just unconfortable with doing that ?

[long briar]

I use paper straws so Swift can take her flights ❤️ (I'm jk)

Both my support for swift (nonexistant) and paper straws (that dissolves in my boba)

[grim belfry]

Good luck stabbing a bubble tea cup with a paper straw

[idle nymph]

tbh plastic straws are a really bad thing for the environment, so its good to get rid of them

[manic torrent]

You can do it. You just need the right straw

[long briar]

no it's fine when it's dry

the trick is to have ur thumb on top of the straw

[idle nymph]

i dont drink bubble tea, problem solved

[manic torrent]

Yes, but sometimes ice coffee comes in those cups

[grim belfry]

There you go, I’ve only ever used the somewhat pasta like boba straws

[idle nymph]

i dont drink coffee either

second problem solved

jokes aside cant you just drink it from the cup ?

[long briar]

good actually, huge wallet drain...

[manic torrent]

The cup is sealed, that's the point

[idle nymph]

what kind of fucker give sealed cup ?

that must suck

[manic torrent]

It makes it transportable, and you pierce the cover with the straw

[idle nymph]

thats fair

[desert snow]

guys i have a question someone dmed with a pic of my setup and asked for alot of info about it could this be one of those scams that sell things that arent theirs?

[grim belfry]

Very convenient, also aids in shaking to

[grim belfry]

Most likely if you don’t know the person

[manic torrent]

It does seem very weird.

[desert snow]

ye i dont know

[idle nymph]

it does seem weird honestly

[manic torrent]

It's possible they are just young and weird.

[grim belfry]

lol

[idle nymph]

just do it tbh, its only a picture

[desert snow]

i said that setup was old which it was and said i dont know i changed them all

[idle nymph]

fair enough

[grim belfry]

The solution here is a simple watermark, imo. Or a ignore

[manic torrent]

For sale: stuff I don't own

[grim belfry]

Lots of presumably fake AirPods Max on marketplace here atm

[polar fern]

@desert snow red flag

[desert snow]

alr ty

[thin fjord]

why sell that space looks so cozy

[manic torrent]

I'm not, it's a joke.

I literally just finished it

[grim belfry]

Not enough monitors bob

[polar fern]

I also just changed out the cabin air filter in her car & holy shit.

[manic torrent]

That is what minimalist looks like for me.

[polar fern]

it was still original to the car and was basically a dark brown 😑

[grim belfry]

I will not stand for minimalism

[manic torrent]

It's ok, the other setup is still 27/48/27

[polar fern]

Is that desk being used on both sides?

[thin fjord]

does that laptop stand clamp to the desk like the microphone arm?

[manic torrent]

No. I have one that I can use like that if I wanted though

[manic torrent]

No, there's another desk there for my wife

[polar fern]

That’s actually kind of cool

[grim belfry]

Thank goodness

[manic torrent]

And I am back to having a spare 27" gaming IPS 1440 144hz monitor and a 4k 15.6 portable monitor

[polar fern]

👀

I’ve actually been looking for a 1440p ips 37 inch flat display that isn’t too different from the MSI monitors I use now. Sadly most are curved & va or $$$$

[near nymph]

Hmm... Woks in China are cheap

[polar fern]

Oh, I would stay away from that one

[near nymph]

Why?

Almost all woks sold on Amazon are made in China

[blissful star]

and they're all crap

[polar fern]

That particular one looks like dollar bin garbage

I don’t even want to know what the hell is in that coating

[near nymph]

I'm shopping for a new wok. Gonna put it in my shipment from China lol

[polar fern]

That’s fine just not that one

[near nymph]

Oh I'm stripping the coating

Fuck that.

[polar fern]

Honestly, it looks like automotive paint

[manic torrent]

Yes, this one was quite expensive

[polar fern]

I think the least expensive realistic model I’ve seen is about $400 US

The cheaper ones tend to be lower, refresh rate or lower quality panel in some regard

[near nymph]

Blue is from firing.

[polar fern]

It’s

It’s not the color I’m worried about

[grim belfry]

The finish?

[blissful star]

the toxic material or somethin like that

[polar fern]

Yeah, it looks like enamel instead of bare metal

In my experience, extremely low cost enamel is highly suspect

[near nymph]

Hm...

Good concern.

[blissful star]

anything out of China is suspicious, even the Chinese themselves

[polar fern]

I mean it’s fine if it’s on something that you’re not eating out of but yeh

[grim belfry]

That isn’t actually that cheap now I make the conversion

[near nymph]

My mom cant stop crying about the current wok. Wooden handles are chared. Gonna throw one onto one of my sea shipments

[long briar]

no?

[near nymph]

It's cheap... Similar style is like $90 CAD

There's cheap cheap woks from China but imma get a good one cuz I'm eating from it

[blissful star]

target acquired

[long briar]

racism... isn't funny

[near nymph]

That's kinda racist... But I kinda agree...

[blissful star]

it's a JOKE...

[long briar]

exactly, it wasn't funny

[near nymph]

Well it's not funny but I agree. The new people coming from China brings over bad habits and also China likes sending those undercover police stations in foreign countries

[long briar]

Fair enough yea

[polar fern]

I’ve actually been wanting to get a countertop induction wok.

[near nymph]

Worth it. The food is a lot fucking better

I tried using only a cooking pan...

Well... Frying pan

And I couldn't get my food to taste like Panda Express

That wok flavour just fits different

[blissful star]

i never wok

i aint wokin shit

[long briar]

wok requires high heat + seasoned wok + oil smoke

[near nymph]

Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, etc. All use it for their traditional dishes

[near nymph]

I have a nice gas burner

[long briar]

ya that's good

[near nymph]

The annoying part is...

That shit doesn't like staying flat when you get a flat bottom for electric stoves

They eventually all cave out

[blissful star]

so dont do it?

[polar fern]

👀 https://a.co/d/dF5s4hs

[blissful star]

like, it's that simple

[long briar]

nah no shot you try to use wok with electric

it doesn't heat evenly regardless

[near nymph]

Yeah...

[grim belfry]

Would 1500w be enough for the wok?

[near nymph]

Yes. Oddly... Yes

1500W is kinda the max without tripping the breakers in North America

[polar fern]

Induction cooking is different than resistive.

More efficient

[blissful star]

we've had induction forever

[grim belfry]

I am aware

[long briar]

it depends on which one

[polar fern]

my water kettle is 1500 watts and it works fine

[long briar]

15a breakers are ok up to about 1500w, 20a breakers are good up to about 2100

[polar fern]

The only real problem with getting anything countertop is where to store it when not in use. My place has storage, but I don’t really cook there.

[long briar]

but given the oem doesn't know what people have, usually they do 1500

[long briar]

above the range?

[grim belfry]

I too have too many small kitchen appliances

[polar fern]

There’s a vent hood and then a cabinet with stuff that isn’t mine

[near nymph]

I prefer gas...

My aluminum moka pot doesn't work on induction 😦

I know they make stainless ones that work

[grim belfry]

Induction ftw

[near nymph]

But it ain't the same as the traditional one

[grim belfry]

Looks about right

[near nymph]

Induction boils water a fuck ton faster though

[near nymph]

LMFAO same problem I have with android.

Sometimes my YouTube app won't even open

Unless I force quit it

[polar fern]

🤔

Looks like android is using a web app vs a proper native app which is deeply ironic, seeing that it is a Google thing on a Google thing

[grim belfry]

Sent from my iPhone

[near nymph]

It's really fucking annoying. I am switching back to iPhone though for my next phone. Kinda need Apple Maps and well the sense of security somewhat...

[blissful star]

i use google maps

[polar fern]

I’ve only ever used an iPhone and whenever I see someone else using an android device, it just has no appeal to me whatsoever.

[blissful star]

why iPhone?

[near nymph]

Apple Maps is the only map apps that will work in Mainland China. And that is also in English.

And I'm illiterate as fuck

[polar fern]

When I say use an iPhone I mean day to day. I have used plenty of other phones at Phone stores and such trying them out but none of them ever feel right.

[near nymph]

I do like my android. Somewhat... Nice big screen. Main selling point of USB-C

[craggy rose]

They build everthing to be on the web, now optimization isn't really possible

How ironic

[near nymph]

Now that iPhones got USB-C. Peace out

[craggy rose]

Being able to download apps outside the native store...

[grim belfry]

Can do!

Not that most people ever will

[polar fern]

A few apps from big names on the Apple App Store are basically web apps, which is pretty interesting. Probably those ones just don’t have a dedicated app dev team.

[craggy rose]

I do

[grim belfry]

I said most, not all

[near nymph]

Isn't discord one of them?

[polar fern]

I don’t know, but discord on desktop and discord on my iPhone are definitely not the same

[craggy rose]

[near nymph]

Unless I'm pirating something. I don't rly need that.

[craggy rose]

exacly

[polar fern]

I should probably try to get a small nap before I have to wake the kids up for school

[craggy rose]

That's what I meant

[polar fern]

Good luck buying a wok.

[craggy rose]

People here seem to get agitated when talking about piracy

[long briar]

I mean... that actually kinda proves Steve Jobs right

[polar fern]

The ones that are Web apps don’t work as well

[long briar]

He originally envisioned iPhone to be all web apps with no app store

now we have web apps in an app store

just different ways of accessing it

[grim belfry]

Progress™️

[polar fern]

The Apple App Store is a huge part of their revenue so I don’t see it going away anytime soon

OK, time for a nap

[long briar]

Oh absolutely, but the app store in a way is just a browser as well

[grim belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[near nymph]

Thanks. Hoping I find a nice one soon 😂

Hmm anyone here use an Aeropress?

Looks nice for travel.

[grim belfry]

Works well, great for taking up space among the other hundred kitchen gadgets

[blissful star]

Why is there no circumstance compensation

or at the very least, genetic compensation

[grim belfry]

?

[blissful star]

if your life outcome is determined by factors of which you have no control then why aren't people that ended up in poor circumstances
compensated for this fact?

[grim belfry]

Why this this relevant though?

[blissful star]

I'm switching the topic ig lol

the only difference between Hamilton (F1 driver, $55 mil salary) and a grocery store worker (the same age as him), is circumstances of which they had no control, their genetic makeup, their epigenetics (how those genes interacted with environment through their adolescence.) which ultimately put them in the positions they are at, so how come we are't compensating the person in the poor position to average out the differences? doesn't make any sense.

another way to look at it is that Hamilton could not have been any other person other than the best F1 driver in history, it is not his doing.

Magnus Carlsen when he was asked how he became the greatest Chess player that has ever existed (read his wiki lol), his reply was simply
"I don't know", and that's because it's not his doing, he simply exist within a machine that is capable of doing the things he does.

and the solutions that arise within his mind as he's playing chess which allow him to dominate is completely beyond him.

this is true for all homo sapiens that has ever existed and will ever exist.

because of this, differing salaries make no sense, praise and punishment make no sense.

because nothing is our own doing.

and could never be.

You have no control over:
personality, behaviour, intelligence, your prenatal environment, parenting style, the culture you inherited, genes, childhood, trauma and adversity, family values, socioeconomic status, neurotransmitter sensitivity, brain structure, desires you have, thoughts you are able to have, impulse control, doing the hard things when it matters, stress tolerance, extraversion, introversion, millions of years of evolution, the list goes on and on.

If you don't control yourself, not even the thoughts you have, then how can you ever deserve anything?

[blissful star]

?

[grim belfry]

“The chat for all things LTT related”

[blissful star]

how is biology not related to LTT

[blissful star]

?

Everything LTT does is a phenomena of biology, evolution and the laws of the Universe.

[covert cradle]

Wot. They aren't a biology or physics channel.

[blissful star]

how is biology not related to LTT?

that's what I thought.

[shell yew]

bread posting 🍞

[blissful star]

Why? clarify.

[shell yew]

yes

bread is the best

[blissful star]

why?

[shell yew]

bread.

[blissful star]

the greatest trick of the Universe is making biological machines think what they are doing is their own doing.

[grim belfry]

You must be fun at parties

[blissful star]

you had no choice but to say that but I digress.

[shell yew]

idk if it's a weird thing to ask here, but do I need to show proof of integrals on higher levels?

just askin

[blissful star]

Ask ChatGPT

[shell yew]

imma try

[blissful star]

you already knew you could, you are just being pathetic.

Terence Tao is a math prodigy, yet what he's doing is not his doing and he would tell you this to your face.

[shell yew]

debatable, but coding with an AI is askin for a data leak

[grim belfry]

[shell yew]

back to deded

[blissful star]

do you choose to be confused?

[shell yew]

stop talking like a redditor lmafo

[covert cradle]

My cat is a biological, should I start asking them these questions?

[grim belfry]

lol

[shell yew]

wtf is happening here

[blissful star]

what does biology have to do with reddit lol

[shell yew]

nothing, but the way you talk is like a certain redditor, just saying

[blissful star]

can you point out to me what a "certain redditor" is

how does a redditor type or talk

[grim belfry]

What doesn’t biology have to do with reddit

[blissful star]

I predicted one of you would say this exact sentence! 🙂

[shell yew]

[grim belfry]

Lmao

[blissful star]

how could I do that? becaues you are a machine acting on prior causes.

[grim belfry]

So are you

[covert cradle]

Can you predict what I'll say next?

[blissful star]

Yes of course.

[shell yew]

Predict what ball in the field I'm kicking rn.

Color of an orange

[blissful star]

under some circumstances I can with high probability, so can most people. You've probably been able to do that too.

AI is even better at this

AI already predict what movies you like, music, what videos to show on your recommended

what pictures to show on Pinterest

[grim belfry]

I’d argue you’re more talking about biophilosophy than biology

[shell yew]

Deskilling for me at its finest

[blissful star]

how come?

[grim belfry]

well you’re arguing “we have no free will” just from a vaguely biological standpoint

[shell yew]

back to deded rn, brb

[blissful star]

free will cannot be real

@grim belfry what do you have to do with the biological machine you are part of? Did you construct it?

[covert cradle]

And yet, in a moment's notice my likes can be changed and the prediction fails. Not everything is as deterministic as you think. People have free will to change themselves

[blissful star]

No, you cannot change yourself.

you change only due to circumstance.

[covert cradle]

Maybe you can't, idk. I pity you if that's really the case

[grim belfry]

There is no good reason to doubt the existence of free will imo

[blissful star]

There are many great reasons

the belief in free will is inhumane

[grim belfry]

And even if they don’t, it often improves ones wellbeing to believe in free will

[blissful star]

it's why we stone people to death, give some millions of dollars, spit on others, etc...

punishment does not make sense without free will

free will is a way for us to beat people for things they have no control over.

therefore belief in free will is inhumane.

[covert cradle]

That is such an absurd reach. There are certainly going to be things out of our control. Genetics being an obvious example or parental upbringing another. Free will isn't even implicated in this at all

[blissful star]

free will cannot exist in the Universe.

let's say you somehow through magic had free will @covert cradle, the world you inhabit will still determine your thoughts and actions (environmental determinism)

our frontal cortex actually evolved to be as free from genetic determinism as possible and is instead dictated by environmental determinism.

[covert cradle]

You aren't giving any good reason to suggest free will doesn't exist

[blissful star]

Are you crazy?

@covert cradle what is something you like?

[covert cradle]

Maybe a little. Aren't we all?

[blissful star]

@covert cradle what is something you like a lot?

[covert cradle]

Logic

[blissful star]

Okay, is it your choice that logic exist in the Universe? That it's a phenomena at all? And did you choose that liking something "a biological phenomena" exist?

if not, how can you have free will?

[covert cradle]

Where did I say logic existing is my choice??? I like logic because it's wholly distinct from we squishy humans.

[blissful star]

Exactly, what I'm telling you is that you are dicated by environmental determinism

the fact logic exist is beyond you.

[covert cradle]

It is wholly unrelated to anything free will related lmao

[grim belfry]

Logic is a social construct 😈

[blissful star]

What?

if your environment dictate what you think and how you behave, how is that free will?

you didn't even answer my second question either

did you choose that liking something "a biological phenomena" exist?

if the answer to these are no you cannot have free will (we already knew that)

[covert cradle]

The environment provides input to the system that is my brain. I choose to take whatever action I feel, or I don't take action. It's not deterministic at all.

[blissful star]

you are a product of biology interacing with environment, all organisms work this way.

[blissful star]

Yes but you have to think more than that, when you say "feel" what is that? what determine if you feel like doing something or not?

exactly, biological phenomena, environmental stimuli, things outside your control.

try and sit in a chair for 24 hours with no stimuli, you can't.

[grim belfry]

I have :)

[blissful star]

no.

you absolutely have not.

[grim belfry]

You did edit your message after I sent it, to add with no stimuli

[blissful star]

mhm.

you dont even know what your next thought will be

and you talk about free will? bruh

[covert cradle]

Who are you even saying "exactly" to lol. Nobody is agreeing with any of your absurdist sophistry. Read some philosophy books first and just repeat their ideas, you'll have better luck with that

[blissful star]

What? Determinism is highly accepted.

[grim belfry]

*Is a highly debated topic

[blissful star]

the only reason the debate of free will is still ongoing has mostly to do with the fact most people are egocentric and religious

and determinism destroy those.

it means our justice system must be changed

[covert cradle]

In the brain? No. It has even been recently been determined to have non-deterministic quantum effects through microtubules.

[blissful star]

quantum effects can exist with determinism, that's not a problem.

it's only non-deterministic to us

you clearly did not choose your brain structure which is what govern how you see the world.

so how can you have free will? like what.

make zero sense.

[covert cradle]

Explain why I would need to have chosen my brain structure to have free will? You keep making these absurd leaps

[grim belfry]

Everything being caused by the things you’re talking about doesn’t necessarily entail determinism

[blissful star]

Because your brain is what process all of your sensory inputs?? it's how you experience the world

and it determine what your reactions will be

[blissful star]

Of course it does.

[covert cradle]

No. That's a leap. You can't just say it is so. That's not how this works lmao

[blissful star]

?

does what you see through your eyes not impact how you think and act?

aka sensory input

and the sports that we have, are they not determined by our particular biology?

our biomechanics?

of course they are.

[harsh quartz]

Oh, this dudes back huh

[golden hound]

Yo i need some help. My friend wants to buy a pre-build but hes not sure if its a good deal. He has a budget of abt. 1400 usd and He wants to play at 1080p. Is LENOVO Legion T5 26IRB8 (the pc) a good choice?

[blissful star]

these are not choices we make whatsoever

[grim belfry]

Lmao

[blissful star]

the fact keyboard exist arose naturally because the fact we happen to have hands with fingers

is that a choice we make? no.

[frozen zenith]

tate

[blissful star]

you can never credit anything to a particular person for the same reason

[frozen zenith]

cap

[blissful star]

the way you see the world, in this light spectrum, wasn't your choice either

the fact our brain can process vibrations into sound is not your choice either

the fact you can experience taste and smell is not your choice either

it's all the Universe's doing

[frozen zenith]

whether you continue doing it is your choice tho

[blissful star]

no.

[frozen zenith]

yesss

[blissful star]

nothing is your doing and cannot be.

[covert cradle]

So because humans make things suited to themselves, we don't have free will?? Ridiculous sophistry

[frozen zenith]

||bro you can stop breathing and all you described will stop|| not serious

[blissful star]

that is logic. The things we make are a result of our biology and the fact the Universe is the way it is, both of which we have nothing to do with.

[covert cradle]

That is not logic. That's illogic

[blissful star]

we did not set the properties of the Universe to be what they are

the fact metal have the properties that make computers possible is not our doing

we have nothing to do with these facts

[frozen zenith]

non metals also make computers possible

[blissful star]

materials function according to the laws of the Universe, our brains do the same

[covert cradle]

How does that have anything to do with free will? You can't just state a bunch of random things and say "therefore no free will". You actually have to at least try relate them

[blissful star]

random things?? WHAT

[frozen zenith]

and we named metals metals, they wouldnt be metals if we didnt call them metals

[grim belfry]

Don’t forget about metalloids 🥺

[blissful star]

the fact you are sitting at a computer typing this is because of the properties of materials that made these computers possible so they could exist when you lived

[grim belfry]

I’m actually dictating this thank you very much

[covert cradle]

The fact? And again, how in the hell is that related to free will lmfao

[blissful star]

the chemical reactions in your brain every second is simply following the laws of the Univnerse

[harsh quartz]

don’t engage

[blissful star]

ask ChatGPT and it can explain to you

how what i said relate to free will and determinism

[frozen zenith]

thats not taking into consideration people who cant type due to disabilities

[blissful star]

wait I can ask it

[grim belfry]

You refer people to ChatGPT very often

[blissful star]

it's good at explaining

[frozen zenith]

chatgpt is the holy bible now it seems

[grim belfry]

Until it hallucinates

[frozen zenith]

few months ago it couldnt do basic maths

[blissful star]

It's typing, 2 sec.

[covert cradle]

Oh, that explains a lot. Please for the love of all that is good, read some actual philosophy books

[grim belfry]

Lmao

[blissful star]

The sentence "the fact you are sitting at a computer typing this is because of the properties of materials that made these computers possible so they could exist when you lived" relates to the concepts of free will and determinism in the following ways:

Determinism:

The sentence suggests that your current action—sitting at a computer typing—is the result of a series of causes and effects rooted in the properties of materials and technological development. This aligns with deterministic views that all events, including human actions, are determined by preceding events in accordance with the laws of nature.
According to determinism, your choice to sit and type at a computer is not entirely free but is influenced by a chain of prior conditions, such as the invention of computers, the development of materials science, and your own life circumstances that led to this moment

[frozen zenith]

if we started relyinng on chat gpt for such stupid reasons no wonder its gonna take our jobs

[blissful star]

The processes in our brains, like all other physical processes in the universe, are governed by the laws of physics.
At the most fundamental level, our thoughts, emotions, and actions are the result of electrical and chemical signals in our brains, which are made up of atoms and molecules that follow the laws of physics. In this sense, the idea of free will as a completely independent, non-physical force that can act outside the laws of nature is challenged.
This view aligns with a position known as "hard determinism," which claims that all events, including human behavior, are ultimately determined by prior causes and the laws of nature. According to this view, the feeling of free will is an illusion, and our actions are entirely determined by our genetics, upbringing, and other environmental factors.

We are biological machines, like all other organisms, acting out according to these laws.

[blissful star]

most of this is biology, it's a fact of reality.

it's why gene therapies exist.

[frozen zenith]

heres an AI answer to your AI statement

While the deterministic view suggests that all events, including human actions, are determined by preceding events, there are several arguments against this perspective:

1. Incoherence of Ordained Morality: The association of moral responsibility and free will is not only deeply intuitive, it is also logically necessary. Denying the association of moral responsibility and free will results in incoherence¹.

2. Determinism is Self-Refuting: If free will is an illusion and everything is predetermined, then the ultimate cause of why a person believes that free will is an illusion and everything is predetermined is that they were predetermined to do so. But it’s hard to see how a belief can be considered “true” or “false” when it is, ultimately, simply a predetermined event¹.

3. Refuting Determinism By Action: You know what a person truly believes by how they act more than by what they say. On this basis, it's suggested that everyone who deliberates believes in free will, even if they think they do not, for it's impossible to deliberate without acting on the conviction that the decision is up to you to resolve¹.

4. Psychological Perspective: Psychologists who take the free will view suggest that determinism removes freedom and dignity and devalues human behavior. By creating general laws of behavior, deterministic psychology underestimates the uniqueness of human beings and their freedom to choose their own destiny³.

5. Humanist View: Humanist psychologists argue against the determinism view, claiming that humans have self-determination and free will and that behavior is not the result of any single cause⁵.

Therefore, while the properties of materials and technological development have made computers possible, the act of sitting at a computer and typing is not solely determined by these factors. It also involves the exercise of free will and individual choice.

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 5/22/2024
(1) Three Arguments Against Determinism - Greg Boyd - ReKnew. https://reknew.org/2018/10/three-arguments-against-determinism/.
(2) Freewill vs Determinism In Psychology. https://www.simplypsychology.org/freewill-determinism.html.
(3) Issues & Debates: Evaluating Free Will & Determinism. https://www.tutor2u.net/psychology/reference/issues-debates-evaluating-free-will-determinism.
(4) Why the Classical Argument Against Free Will Is a Failure. https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/determinism-classical-argument-against-free-will-failure/.
(5) 5 Important Criticism Against “Determinism” - World’s Largest .... https://www.shareyouressays.com/knowledge/5-important-criticism-against-determinism/113047.
(6) en.wikipedia.org. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism.

[grim belfry]

Delete embeds plz

lol

[blissful star]

but none of those are free will?

which we already knew.

[frozen zenith]

idk man i didnt read any statements made

this whole convo is stupid asf

[blissful star]

it isn't.

[covert cradle]

Yeah good idea... I'm out. Lost enough braincells before I've even had my coffee

[grim belfry]

Okay. Hear me out - it doesn’t matter!

[blissful star]

determinism is more relevant than ever, especially now when gene engineering has begun

[frozen zenith]

you dont haave free will in determining what i think

[harsh quartz]

It is 6:30am, just block and move on :p

[frozen zenith]

alr ?

[blissful star]

the Universe will prove me right

because soon enough everyone will start to care a lot about what kind of genes their children have

[frozen zenith]

yeah sure

[blissful star]

and with the advent of designer babies, you will see a lot of outrage because of this fact.

[grim belfry]

This sounds like Jesus with extra steps

[blissful star]

It's just reality.

[frozen zenith]

your arguement entirely skips out emotions, people work by emotions even if it may not be logically right

[blissful star]

Yes and when they see designer babies being so much better than their own natural children, those emotions will be going on overdrive lol

but according to society as it is now, designer babies deserve more than natural children

aka, higher salaries, higher positions, etc...

[frozen zenith]

nah im leaving lmao

[blissful star]

See? that's what I'm saying.

[frozen zenith]

idk what to tell you, be more human with your own brain ig?

[blissful star]

by definition, everything I do is human.

[frozen zenith]

and fiind better stuff to do than argue about evolution on discord of all places