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karmic wedge
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Makes so much more sense

graceful burrow
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standard box to fit the stock cooler bud

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it'd cost amd more to have a separate sku of boxes for it

karmic wedge
graceful burrow
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ok and

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the machine that makes those is already churnin em out

karmic wedge
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So you have a box size for the ones with coolers and ones without

graceful burrow
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why pay a shitton more to make another machine

unkempt nest
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I actually ordered a 3600 that came in a (custom?) slim packaging

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from a third party

neon mesa
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It's not as big of a material saving as you think...

karmic wedge
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If only I can find a damn picture of it

graceful burrow
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well you know the internet rules

polar fern
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Just ordered a Samsung 990 pro 2 tb

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Yes, there are two different size boxes for the AMD processors

graceful burrow
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i aint seen a proof

karmic wedge
graceful burrow
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then post it

polar fern
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Sleeve?

karmic wedge
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Just such a waste of volume to ship a full sized box for the CPU only

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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Tray release straight up don't have a box...

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they're shipped in literal pallettes to OEMs

polar fern
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Having purchased a processor with and without included stock cooler, I can tell you, the boxes are definitely a different size, but they’re not tiny by any means

neon mesa
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they're not sold directly to consumers

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has no documents on them

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and usually only 1 year of warranty given by resellers that do sell them

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my old 5600 was a tray variant

polar fern
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What you have is probably overstock from a bulk order

graceful burrow
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nope
that's normal for tray cpus

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trays do not come with a box because there was no box initially

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if you buy a tray cpu and it comes in a box, the seller found a box to put it in lol

neon mesa
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There are people selling just the boxes also

karmic wedge
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Then what am I thinking about when it's the small cardboard box with the CPU only

lilac bear
karmic wedge
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Cause I know I've seen them before

polar fern
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The boxes are good to display what type of processors you have for sale

graceful burrow
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tray cpus as they are delivered to oem builders

neon mesa
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also @karmic wedge
tell me how the 5700x3D perform in CBR23
i got like 13.3k on it

karmic wedge
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Internet you better not fxxking Mandela effect me rn

karmic wedge
polar fern
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Let me grab a picture of the two boxes I have

neon mesa
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Mandela effect is a mass-false memory
What you're experiencing right here is just... forgetting

polar fern
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First, I have to find them ha ha ha

harsh quartz
karmic wedge
graceful burrow
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im not sayin the slim boxes dont exist
im just sayin ive never seen proof of em existing

karmic wedge
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This is what I was thinking of

neon mesa
graceful burrow
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it's more packaging overall

polar fern
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I’ve literally never seen one of those ever for sale

neon mesa
karmic wedge
neon mesa
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my old 2200G has one

graceful burrow
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you should be glad you cant find those anymore

harsh quartz
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they at least want them. I doubt the penguins have a use for them. Altho...

neon mesa
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That tiny box is never sold independently
they always come in the bigger box

manic torrent
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I gave in and ordered a rackmount server

karmic wedge
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Such a waste of volume otherwise

neon mesa
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Sounds like easy shoplift material

graceful burrow
karmic wedge
harsh quartz
polar fern
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@manic torrent racketeering is illegal 🤓

karmic wedge
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Ok, well mystery solved then

harsh quartz
vapid smelt
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karmic wedge
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@neon mesa but anyway, just a BIOS update and you were all ready to go right?

neon mesa
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then i guess my 5700x3D is just within the margin of binning error

neon mesa
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there's no bios update for the 5700x3D

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i mean it's just a downclocked 5800x3D afterall

harsh quartz
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but how will it know to turn on the 3d graphics?

karmic wedge
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Got 4021 and I need 4403

polar fern
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Which b450 board?

neon mesa
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b450m tuf pro ii

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It already came with an updated BIOS new
manufacture date is march 2023

polar fern
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It has a combo ps2 port! 😲

neon mesa
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what about it

polar fern
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Neat

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That’s an interesting board

neon mesa
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Yeaa ASUS's gimmick worked on me

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i will probably need to stick to asus thanks to their superb exclusive noise cancelling software

harsh quartz
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reject USB go back to ps2

neon mesa
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switching to another vendor would mean subbing to krisp or using the resource hog nvidia broadcast

manic torrent
neon mesa
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unless another mobo manufacturer also came with a noise cancelling software but i haven't found one

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best part is the b450 board is only 85 bucks

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came with 2 nvme, plentiful I/O and bios flashback

karmic wedge
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@neon mesa I mean, would probably want to go up to the latest, or is the minimal supported bios ok?

neon mesa
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i already did a bios update to the one with
AGESA version to ComboV2PI 1.2.0.A but that's a while ago last year

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and a BIOS update is absolutely unnecessary unless there's a performance fix

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Many of them are just security patches

harsh quartz
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maybe there is, how would you know without updating

neon mesa
harsh quartz
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pahhh, misinformation campaign

karmic wedge
lilac bear
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simply buy ASUS the company

harsh quartz
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but then you have to deal with ROG

lucid plover
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hi

vapid smelt
strong kettle
polar fern
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Oh my

karmic wedge
polar fern
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Motherboard lady art.

karmic wedge
polar fern
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Cinebunch

karmic wedge
polar fern
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I didn’t look at the picture, sorry

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I was just being silly about the name

thin tulip
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Minecraft...For 1 day...

polar fern
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?

thin tulip
polar fern
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My… page?

thin tulip
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Ye

polar fern
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What page?

thin tulip
polar fern
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That’s not a page

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That’s a profile tab

clear kite
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Is it possible to power limit the CPU and GPU of a desktop? So like, say i dont want to run it to go too hot during the summer? Like how you can power limit on laptops

polar fern
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Yes

steep girder
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I mean it is technically an inner html of an element

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All of discord even the app ver is html 5 mostly using flex divs last time i checked

thin tulip
steep girder
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At least the frontend

thin tulip
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heh/s

steep girder
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Yeah that's a good one for it. Or 'modal' as they call em in bootstrap :p

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Well that's a bit diff actually

polar fern
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Depending on the board and the processor, you might be able to put it in some sort of lower power mode and crank the fans

clear kite
night heron
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and gpu power limit with software

thin tulip
night heron
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you can just say "125w" and it will never ever draw more than 125w

polar fern
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@clear kite I just said, depending on the board & the processor, you might be able to put it into a low power mode

polar fern
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most processors do have minimum performance limits though

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Make sure you check the spec sheet on your board and processor before you change anything

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The memory timing also might need to be changed depending on what you end up doing

thin tulip
night heron
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it's not this complicated you just punch in whatever wattage you want the power limit to be

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your processor's boost algorithm will compensate

polar fern
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I did not say it was complicated I said you have to be careful

night heron
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theres no harm in running a lower power limit

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you can limit the 14900k to 35w if you want to

thin tulip
polar fern
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Not really my wheelhouse, but there are cases where the attached hardware such as memory or PC cards could have a problem if it’s running on lower clock speed for example

karmic wedge
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Easing my nerves of a bios update with a beer

clear kite
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I was just gonna limit it so that i can run it at around 200W max during the summer

polar fern
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The funny thing about some of the cutting edge hardware these days it that it’s expecting whatever you plug into it to run it at max instead of being dialled all the way down

night heron
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yah u can just type 200w into the power limit box in your bios

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u dont have to adjust anything else

clear kite
karmic wedge
graceful burrow
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I'm terrified of the heat output of my pc in the summer ngl

night heron
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might take a minute to find it though it's called something different in every vendors' bios

karmic wedge
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Which I never do

graceful burrow
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Unless I got a turbo Gooch cooler 3000 I'm fucked

karmic wedge
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Doesn't matter, new CPU anyway

polar fern
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Make sure you have the current bios backed up just in case

night heron
graceful burrow
polar fern
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One of the things you can do to reduce the concern about heat output from the computer during summer and warm days, is you can have a separate fan profile for hot days before changing anything else

graceful burrow
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Fan profiles are worthless if the components are going to be producing the same amount of heat nomatter what

clear kite
graceful burrow
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I'd have to undervolt fairly heavily to genuinely reduce heat output

polar fern
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Yes

clear kite
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Also, is there a way to get the raw benchmark data for CPUs and GPUs? everyone just has the graphs, but i want the data itself. I thought the labs site might have it, but just graphs. And id rather not have to go through multiple vids and graphs and recrd the numbers from them

polar fern
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Forums

clear kite
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could only find the graphs when i looked through there

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or did you mean i shoudl ask forums?

full fossil
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I bought the whole laptop so I will USE the whole laptop

steep girder
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Fair

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Leave no cpu space for microsoft and mozilla 'studies'

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They can go enjoy a rasty one

full fossil
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Yes

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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have you tried one with everything closed?

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that's really low

karmic wedge
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yeah everything is closed

neon mesa
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it should at least break 13k

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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oh that's your motherboard

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your speed is limited to 3.2GHz
it also bugged my 5700x3D

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you need to reset your cmos

karmic wedge
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Well what do I set it to

neon mesa
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it has to do with the asus OC tuner

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setting it back to "keep current settings" does not work

karmic wedge
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So what do I set it to then

neon mesa
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do a cmos reset and don't touch any CPU OC settings

karmic wedge
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need to set my DOCP

neon mesa
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you can turn on XMP/DOCP

karmic wedge
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ok one moment

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So like this?

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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okay it's fine now

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the base speed should be 3GHz

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try cinebench again and see if it boost all the way to near 4GHz

karmic wedge
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But will go to 4.1GHz?

neon mesa
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it never goes to full boost on all core load, typical of all CPUs

karmic wedge
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I was able to go 4.2GHz all core on my 3700x

neon mesa
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Gamer's nexus has the same result

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only 4GHz on all core on CBR23

karmic wedge
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Oh that looks a bit better

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3.9 GHz all core

neon mesa
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your cinebench score should reach above 13k now

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yes that's about right

karmic wedge
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Settling to 3.87

neon mesa
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check your temps

karmic wedge
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13,252

neon mesa
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that's quick

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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i mean a quick test

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though yea that score is normal

karmic wedge
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It's 86c

neon mesa
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pretty toasty

karmic wedge
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No thermal throttling though

neon mesa
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it shouldn't throttle yet but at that temps it might experience slight downclock

karmic wedge
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According to hwinfo

karmic wedge
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Yeah it's sitting at 13,258

neon mesa
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not thermal throttle level of downclock

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but at high temps it will downclock a little

karmic wedge
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I do have some problems screwing down my cooler

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So it's finger tight, but should still make good contact

neon mesa
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i use the thermalright assassin x 120
it peaked 77C using GD900-1 thermal paste

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a 20 bucks air cooler

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so it is quite high

karmic wedge
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Yeah I've got a cooler master ma620p and deepcool z5

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But I should consider a more friendly CPU cooler

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Definitely something with am5 support

neon mesa
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there is definitely something wrong with your mounting

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that cooler of yours is beefier than miner

karmic wedge
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yeah but getting good mounting is very difficult

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it uses these hex nut screw things

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and I have big hands

neon mesa
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considering it already experiences drop in performance in a short cinebench test
any long gaming session will be impacted

karmic wedge
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It's already a pain in the ass to install

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And getting a good mount is very difficult

zealous flare
karmic wedge
# neon mesa considering it already experiences drop in performance in a short cinebench test...

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neon mesa
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Clown design inc.

karmic wedge
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under gaming I should be fine

neon mesa
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still... 86C is abnormal for a beefy cooler, under a short burst test

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it's definitely worth remounting it

karmic wedge
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It's bad on one corner, but it's so tough to get access to it

neon mesa
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you might wanna pull the mobo out

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uneven mounting pressure can even damage the CPU

karmic wedge
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gaming is floating in the 60-65c

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But the cache is definitely doing something

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1440p max in warframe abrely falling below 100fps

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before it was falling near 60

karmic wedge
karmic wedge
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@neon mesa even right now this is excellent, the minimums are much higher

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I try to target 1440p144 in WarFrame

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Maxed out with best wife cause she has a huge amount of particle effects in her abilities

neon mesa
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A dual tower doing 9C worse than single tower cooler is definitely not an issue you wanna overlook.
But i can't force you so yea.

karmic wedge
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Defo right now is a sanity check to be sure that it's not DOA

neon mesa
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my paste is even cheaper

neon mesa
pure olive
neon mesa
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I'm doing fine, you?

pure olive
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I’m good

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Well not really but Yknow

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Today was my Friday

neon mesa
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It's monday

pure olive
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Got off work a bit ago excited for 2 days off

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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monday is your friday

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damn someone love monday linusExcite

pure olive
karmic wedge
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At least I know it's not DOA

pure olive
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“Today is my Friday” = I have tomorrow and day after that off

neon mesa
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Oh that's the first time i'm hearing that

pure olive
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:)

neon mesa
karmic wedge
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@neon mesa the minimum frame rates are still really good though, they are way up compared to the 3700x

neon mesa
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uhhh this is bad

neon mesa
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Even a thermal limited 5700x3D will rekt the 3700x

pure olive
neon mesa
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Ever since covid my sleep has been disasterous

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it's only the last 2 weeks i managed to get my circadian rhythm on track

pure olive
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Ever since 6th grade

neon mesa
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and wow i don't even need coffee anymore

pure olive
karmic wedge
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@neon mesa and when I look at the power draw of the previous CPU and the current CPU the power is about the same but I do agree with you that temperatures are higher

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I'll crank it down then I'll crank my hog

neon mesa
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yea defo mounting issue

karmic wedge
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For a job well done

karmic wedge
neon mesa
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going to a computer mall is really fun
i'm definitely going there again when i wanna do upgrades lel

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it's like the one on linus' video

pure olive
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It’s too risky

neon mesa
pure olive
neon mesa
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SO much, eye candy

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I almost pulled the trigger on a mechanical keyboard too

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but the fact that there's no 104 keys white ones saved me

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There's one corsair one but it's pricy asf

pure olive
neon mesa
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There's this interesting case i saw

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it's like this but the mobo is orientated 90 deg clockwise

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so the I/O is on top

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it's such a simple yet genius idea to have a PC that can be oriented on both sides

cold prism
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No filtering hmm

neon mesa
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oh there definitely are filters

cold prism
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I'd be down for some radical innovation in cases

neon mesa
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You mean the 69th fish tank looking case

cold prism
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I mean anything but that

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A move away from aesthetics towards practicality would be nice

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I usually look at my monitor and not my case when I use my pc shruge

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Top IO could be nice

neon mesa
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Nah i want it to look nice
I want to look at my hardwork and say damn this is good
and not
damn this looks like a cheap rundown dell prebuild

sand igloo
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Well.

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Honestly, for an open case, I don't think you should feel too bothered about filtering.

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I mean, it's... open for a reason.

cold prism
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I can't have an open case due to cats

young valley
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finally posted my battlestation

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Ive been waiting so long for this

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I can die in peace now, lol..

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NOO!! I forgot to put my LTT Screwdriver in the photo!

wispy marsh
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Again

karmic wedge
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@neon mesa cranking it good rn

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No wiggle now

neon mesa
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nice

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it was wiggling before??

karmic wedge
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So much easier outside of the case

karmic wedge
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Like a few degrees of movement each direction

neon mesa
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yea that's bad

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good thing you rectified it

karmic wedge
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Might have crossthreaded something but when I jiggle it the whole board jiggles with it

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So we're all good

dreamy rose
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this guy is literally speaking facts. how CAN windows be THAT bad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAn4YeeifLY

I know most people keep using Windows as they are used to it, but how about taking Linux for a spin and see how that goes? Better privacy, better security, less ram/cpu usage, ...

It's true that some applications are not compatible, but we have Proton which keeps improving, wine to run windows apps, and a lot of alternative programs which can p...

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karmic wedge
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Cooler, cranked down
Hog, not yet cranked

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@neon mesa max was 80c, proper cooler mount dropped it by like 6c

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13.2k

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Got to 4.15GHz max core

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think we're sorted now

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@neon mesa thanks for gaslighting me into sorting my stuff out

neon mesa
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nice

karmic wedge
karmic wedge
# neon mesa nice

I bet the temperatures will be even better if I'm not fxxking cooking upstairs while I try to do PC maintenance and I sweat through two different t-shirts after all that

young valley
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I need to put the supprt arm on my GPU. I keep forgetting to do that

karmic wedge
sand igloo
unkempt nest
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modern GPUs sag, that’s just how it is

young valley
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My card is MASSIVE though, and heavy as hell, its not sagging. I put every damn screw in it. Its just that the booklet that came with it said if I didnt put the support bracket on it, the warranty is voided.

karmic wedge
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It props up my XFX 6950 XT very well

manic torrent
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I put a waterblock on my GPU and mounted it vertically. Problem solved!

young valley
unkempt nest
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I’m gonna watercool eventually… but for now… 1.8kg air cooler it is KEKW

sour merlin
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Is the Kingston fury beast really that bad? I saw people trashing on it on some review site

unkempt nest
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I have a gpu on the way that’s shipping with a waterblock, I just need everything else lol

wise tundra
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I just have an M2 Pro Mac Mini. I love this thing.

young valley
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Im happy I got what I got, the RGB on my GPU is sick, its a massive LED band that can do all kinds of stuff, and I have it set to like a laser trailing light right now.. whicle the rest of my rgb "breathes" so its a cool effect

wise tundra
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And the power consumption is minimal

unkempt nest
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the card I’m getting has rgb but I’m immediately turning it off with the switch lmao

grim belfry
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Send help

young valley
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Hopefull thats Celcious

full fossil
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hi

young valley
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Celsius

young valley
sour merlin
grim belfry
young valley
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I just could never buy anything Apple. I feel like they are single handedly to blame for the dumbing down simplification of society

young valley
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Apple is the reason most (not all) people under 25 cant troubleshoot any tech at all.

sour merlin
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I mean didn't apple make it so on one of the iphones if u try to repair it by removing some parts face id breaks

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Remember something like that from a few years ago

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Like if u try to do a screen replacement the face id would stop working

young valley
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I know they were trying to increase the market for tech in general by making it more appealing and less scary to a much older generation, and it worked. In the process though, it groomed younger generations for oversimplicty, reduced control, and reduced options. Which led to reduced understanding of how their devices operated.

young valley
sour merlin
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Honestly, their prices are dumb

full fossil
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Hey 👋

neat gull
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Thinking about buying a 1997 Honda prelude in the future

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It’s gonna be worth

wise tundra
wise tundra
# sour merlin Could have bought a gaming PC for cheaper

Ok and? I'd be spending way more on electricity with a PC as under full load my Mac draws 50W form the wall including all accessories, then with a PC, compiling for ARM targets would be more difficult which is something that's required for my job. Also the Mac Mini takes so little space in my apartment.

sour merlin
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Okay bro

wise tundra
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Oh also I'm a Linux user so there won't be any real benefit for using x86_64

simple quail
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also the trackpad is so much better than on anything else and suspend is so smooth, I pretty much never completely shut it down :)

simple quail
idle nymph
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i would love to use a mac for school ngl

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smooth, battery life, heat

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it seem just perfect

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just not a big fan of the os tho

manic torrent
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I use Linux for audio work.

simple quail
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in school, being able to just close your lid when you're done and not worry about it, that'd probably be awesome

idle nymph
idle nymph
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i have to charge my laptop pretty frequently at school

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but with a mac ? wouldnt need that

simple quail
idle nymph
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i only write in math

manic torrent
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Pipewire is basically magic.

simple quail
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what annoys me is people always focus on the price and the gigabytes and gigahertz when there's so much more to the user experience with a computer, for example the keyboard, the trackpad, how well the audio, wireless, display, camera hardware all interface with the software, which very often tends to cause problems on cheaper hardware

simple quail
manic torrent
idle nymph
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trackpad is partly broken

simple quail
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my old Linux studio computer was, well, old so I was just using plain old JACK on that one, about 80 % of the time it worked just fine

simple quail
manic torrent
wise tundra
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The Asahi drivers aren't ready for gaming yet

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And I need Fusion 360 for work as well

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So dualbooting is necessary

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Also, hello fellow Fin

spare pagoda
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hi

celest hawk
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bred

fossil frost
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and FreeCAD sucks balls

wise tundra
fossil frost
wise tundra
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Well MacOS uses the FreeBSD userland so I'm totally fine with using MacOS' terminal

barren matrix
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can i ask a question here?

wise tundra
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No

fossil frost
wise tundra
barren matrix
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is an rx 580 doable with a 500 watt silverstone

barren matrix
wise tundra
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I will refuse to help

fossil frost
barren matrix
fossil frost
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i dont care, use the link and figure it out

wise tundra
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RX 550 is shit

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RX 580 is fully usable

barren matrix
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i refuse to believe i only need a 450 watts psu

fossil frost
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rx550 is worse than nothing... genuinely

wise tundra
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Got my sister an RX 580 2048SP on December and she has a 450W

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450W is fine

fossil frost
barren matrix
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but i've been using this psu for a long time now

wise tundra
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Everyone always over specs their PSUs

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And I don't understand why

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It's fine

barren matrix
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and i've used old gpu cards like gtx 550 ti gtx 650 and hd 7770 they all broke in a year or so

barren matrix
wise tundra
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Isn't that the generation where there were issue with die contact to the substrate?

fossil frost
#

tbh... buy the 580 or the 550, its your money, we are just telling you that the 550 is fucking terrible, and the 500w psu is fine for a 580... believe us or dont... but dont ask us to beg you to make the right decision.. you asked for information... you got it... now go and do something with that information

simple quail
wise tundra
#

Probably

fossil frost
barren matrix
wise tundra
#

My sis has an i5-4690K with an RX 580 2048SP and a 450W Bronze power supply. It's going to be fine.

barren matrix
#

so i don't think spending money for an rx 580 is good but atleast i can play tekken 8 with 60 fps unlike the rx 550

simple quail
#

300 W would be quite a lot for a card as old as the RX 580

wise tundra
#

The 80+ just means efficiency

#

So it doesn't matter what efficiency it is

fossil frost
#

i dont think my sons 580 in the PC i built to be at his mums house, has ever used more than 90w at full load :S

wise tundra
simple quail
#

practically every power supply these days has it so it's quite useless as a benchmark for a quality power supply :P

wise tundra
#

Your power supply is fine

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

guy is a troll or attention seeker...

barren matrix
wise tundra
#

Don't. Waste. Money. On. Shit. Hardware.

barren matrix
wise tundra
fossil frost
#

they have the info... yet are carrying on despite having all the info

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

you have shown that you dont think at all.. you have asked questions, been given answers, told us that we were wrong, despite not actually knowing... and then gone off about your laptop, despite that having nothing to do with anything...

#

you have the answers to your questions, make your decision yourself instead of getting us to make your decision for you

#

its your money, its you who lives with the outcome... you make the decision

wise tundra
#

RX 580 2048SP cards are really cheap

barren matrix
wise tundra
#

AliExpress is still available there, no?

barren matrix
wise tundra
#

Wot

fossil frost
barren matrix
#

no

#

ali express does exist in my country although it offers basically nothing

wise tundra
#

I'd still check the 2048SP model from there

barren matrix
#

although the shipping is where it gets you

fossil frost
#

rx580's in the UK right now are between 100 and 120... when it was released, i got mine for £139, new... so i wouldnt say they were cheap 🙂

barren matrix
#

you'd pay 30-40 bucks just from shipping alone

wise tundra
#

Sheesh

fossil frost
#

again, guy is an attention seeker, putting more and more road blocks in front of the obvious choice, just so they can carry on, or so that we can justify them buying a crap product like the 550

#

buy the 580, or dont, nobody cares 🙂

barren matrix
#

fuck the 550

wise tundra
#

I was looking into buying a CardKB which is a single flat PCB and the shipping from Germany would've cost way too much

barren matrix
#

as long as it doesn't die or overheat on me i am good

#

because i am livingg in a tropical country normal temperature here fluctuates from 40-50

wise tundra
#

Checks the probe
-2°C
A warm day today!

fossil frost
#

my son uses a rx580 on a 500w psu, with a 6700k... plays fortnite and eafc24, both at very well playable framerates

barren matrix
wise tundra
#

Couple weeks ago it averaged -20°C

barren matrix
#

pc temps must be low there huh?

barren matrix
wise tundra
#

I mean, I run ARM so the temps are high to begin with

fossil frost
#

where is that?

wise tundra
wise tundra
fossil frost
wise tundra
#

The picture shows Philippines

fossil frost
#

ah ok

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

because most tropical countries average around 27c, 2-3c either side of that... phillapines averages around that too... only places its EVER hit 50c in modern times, is death vally... and places like the middle of the sahara, struggle to hit 40+

barren matrix
barren matrix
fossil frost
#

from what im reading here, the maximum temp reached anywhere in the phillapines in 2021 (yeah 3 years ago, but still relevant), was 32.5c

#

and im sure if the max temp of somewhere had gone up by 18c in 3 years, somebody would have said something about it

wise tundra
#

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I have an app that shows data from two different weather companies so that's why there's two side by side

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

heat index isnt temprature

#

heat index is apparent temprature, which is what the real temprature of 32c feels like, given the humidity

barren matrix
#

i thought it's the exact although it's really hot asf

#

Some europeans who visits the philippines sweats their ass off some stinks because they're not wearing deodorants

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

deodorant doesnt stop you from sweating, it just covers the smell of sweat that you didnt wash off from the day before

fossil frost
#

and, you dont want to NOT sweat in a place like the Philippines, because your body would cook its self

fossil frost
#

sweating is your body cooling its self down

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

people who are from there, are adapted to the hotter temps, those who are not from there, are adapted to different climates, so will sweat more than locals... but thats just their body trying to not die

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

and sweat usually doesnt smell, its the bacteria that feeds on the salt in your sweat that smells, and it takes about 12-24 hours for that smell to develop... so basic washing of your sweaty parts will solve the smell (for any individual)

barren matrix
fossil frost
#

yeah, was gonna say, if your sweat "just smells", you have a bad diet 😄

barren matrix
bright granite
#

Hey what was the game Linus started to play on the Chromebook video? My son saw it and now he is demanding that I find the game lol

karmic wedge
ivory mirage
#

ads with ublock origin on
is this the end?

karmic wedge
ivory mirage
karmic wedge
#

I just flat out haven't used the youtube website in months now, moved entirely to Freetube+Invidious after the first adblock warning started happening

karmic wedge
#

Works pretty damn well, you just don't get commenting

ivory mirage
karmic wedge
quick silo
#

Can I have help

karmic wedge
barren matrix
karmic wedge
# barren matrix ?

If you're buying from Aliex it's a cheaper but still very capable RX 6600 equivalent

void sable
#

H

ivory mirage
#

fuck google

quartz nimbus
#

@haughty knoll you are a LRAP in irisshitty iriscity.

bright granite
bright granite
karmic wedge
# bright granite Nice cheap card to get you gaming. I have seen some boards coming from AE with s...

in some cases that 6600M is even beating the actual 6600
https://youtu.be/1KHXR0mqLdo?t=67

Some crazy folks over on Aliexpress have put a Mobile RX 6600 M (51 RISC) into a desktop PCB.... and it works extremely well, not just for performance, but also the price, where in today's video we compare this GPU to the RX 6600 8GB Eagle, RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 2060 and GTX 1060 6GB.

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fossil frost
fossil frost
idle nymph
#

they work well nowaday too

fossil frost
#

He now uses a 6600xt on his pc at my house, and the 580 in the pc I built for him for his mum's house. Both PCs have a 6700k

idle nymph
#

ooohhh neat

tiny sky
#

🤨

dire flax
#

i wanna lurn tech

#

im a newbie

tiny sky
fossil frost
dire flax
fossil frost
#

find a reason to learn it.. an excuse.. i.e. what are you trying to accomplish by learning this?

eternal hearth
#

youtube is for learning, discord is for arguing

fossil frost
#

watching youtube, you will hear the words, they will stick with you in the short term... but like learning a second language.. you need to actually USE it, to make it stick long term

proper dagger
#

hi im new

hot loom
#

Is it normal for a 7800x3D to have idle temps at 50 degrees and gaming loads between 60-70 degrees?

hot loom
fossil frost
#

no, but i dont need one to know thats a normal temp range for not only the type/class of cpu, but the cpu its self too

hot loom
fossil frost
#

no not at all

#

with very good water cooling maybe, but air cooling or even an AIO, no, not at all

sand igloo
hot loom
fossil frost
#

then yeah, your temps are fine

sand igloo
#

Also, remember to crank the pump to full.

#

That's how it's supposed to be run.

#

Unless you mount it sub-optimally it shouldn't make any audible noise.

fossil frost
#

pump by default will run in "quiet" mode, which is about 40% speed, if you dont have CAM installed.. if you do have CAM, or use something less shit like FanCtrl, you can set it to 100%, and leave the fans up to your motherboard to sort out for you

hot loom
#

I've had hwinfo64 open; and have seen maximum temps go up to 86.5 degrees in the red. Don't know when it happened, but that's why I'm concerned

fossil frost
#

they run hot on purpose

#

the fact that you are seeing max temps less than 90c, means you are cooling it well

#

so yeah, you dont need to worry... its doing exactly what it was designed to do

#

the red in hwinfo64, is nothing to do with danger or anything like that.. its just a UI choice by the developers

sand igloo
fossil frost
#

the 7000 series target 90c.. by design... its part of the PBO spec for the 7000 series, aim for 90c, and use as much power as you are allowed while staying at or below 90c

#

and if they detect they are going OVER 90c, they will start to downclock and reduce power usage, to stay at or below 90c

sand igloo
#

I see, very interesting..

fossil frost
#

5000 series and earlier had a power target, 7000 series instead have a thermal target

#

it may not REACH 90c with a good cooler, it may hit the limits of your VRMs first depending on your motherboard.. but B and Z series boards now have such over spec VRMs, that its unlikely to limit you unless you go for a terrible board

sand igloo
#

To say B-boards have such overspec VRM would be... a massive overstatement...

fossil frost
#

12v @ 360amp even for the lowest of those 2 numbers.. is a LOT

#

4320w, which is more than any PSU could supply

neat holly
#

First post for me on the LTT Discord. Quick(ish) necdote about Casetify... Despite warnings, my wife still lkes Casetify and just ordered from them. She had jump through a few hoops, though, as our credit union literally flagged the purchase attempt as suspicious, locked down her card, and will not allow any purchases from them despite her asking to unlock the card for her.

sand igloo
sand igloo
fossil frost
# sand igloo 4.32kW...? That sounds... absurd...

in all likelyhood, 6 power stages would probably be in 2 parallel banks of 3. so would probably be 2 out of phase lots of 3, so closer to 180amp really.. or 2160w theoretical max, but much more stable

#

either way... "overspec" is an understatement for VRMs these days

#

motherboard manufacturers dont want the old days of VRMs exploding and cooking CPUs to come back

#

and VRMs are quite cheap now, so its worth overdoing it

#

now... i need to figure out how to tell my neighbours that "Password2000" isnt a good password for their wifi... without explaining how i know that is their password

eternal hearth
#

do they have a printer on it?

idle nymph
fossil frost
#

no, if they did, i would have had some fun first 🙂

fossil frost
idle nymph
fossil frost
#

no, i live in a normal country where i own my house, they own their house... and what we do with our own land is our own business 🙂

#

HOA's in america are the dumbest shit ever

idle nymph
#

well fliers

#

thats all i can recomend

fossil frost
#

they are older, but pretty decent.. i might just tell them straight 😒

idle nymph
#

you should

#

explain how its a security risk

fossil frost
#

"i broke into your wifi because you have a crap WPA password... you need to set it to something decent, because im not the only person in the world who knows how to do this stuff, and its not even hard to do"

idle nymph
#

that would be accurate

fossil frost
#

"but why would somebody do that"

idle nymph
#

bring it up during a conversation

fossil frost
#

"you mean why would somebody drive round, sniffing out these passwords, and then use the ones they found to do illegal stuff, that cant be traced back to them then... and then just drive away?"

#

tbh, ive broken like 3 other of my neighbours passwords.. but... i dont know whos is whos... i only know this one is next door, because its the strongest wifi signal after my own

eternal hearth
#

just change the name to something else, maybe they'll figure it out

fossil frost
#

after that, the rest have quite a significant drop, but all drop to a similar level, so i would just be guessing

eternal hearth
#

hunter2 is still a good password right?

native meadow
#

Hi

full fossil
fossil frost
# eternal hearth hunter2 is still a good password right?

my old work used to have (and still does have) "Password1!" as the default password for new user accounts, and then sends an email to a user asking them to change that password to something else, the link is multi-use, and has no timeout... but, the "Password1!" password IS active until you do change it... so if they get a new client, and import all their users, there are a bunch of users that may not get used, all with a very simple way of getting onto the system for an attacker

#

tbh, with who their clients are, im surprised they havnt been breached a few times now

celest kiln
#

companies…

fossil frost
#

in other news, my dog has just realise my GPU is working overtime with hashcat.. and has gone to sleep next to the computer, so he gets all the warm air goodness while hes sleeping 😄

celest kiln
#

Awwwww

silk grove
#

What are normal ambient temperatures for the 7800x3d

fossil frost
silk grove
fossil frost
#

thats fine

silk grove
#

Ive never had seen a CPU with ambient temps this high

fossil frost
#

your AIO will auto scale its fan and pump speed as needed

#

and 7000 series have a temp target of 90c... which is where they are designed to run... 5000 series had a power target and a temp limit... 7000 series have a temp target and are told "consume all you can, as long as you are below this target"

#

my 5950x, with twice as many cores, with pbo cranked up to max, and power targets cranked up to max... idles at 38-42c, but ive spent a lot of time and effort tweaking my fan curve, pump curve, using better paste, using better fans, using an offset bracket... it also runs at 88c, consuming 245w, at full load...

#

without all those tweaks and a stock AIO, 50c would be expected and throttling would be expected at full load

silk grove
#

How did this guy get 25C with the 7950X

#

Would it be worth a try to resintall the themral paste

fossil frost
#

they got it at 75c...

silk grove
#

75C under load and 25C as the ambient temperatire

fossil frost
#

ambient is the room temp

devout pasture
#

so when i resize the window , only one of them resizes , i remember that the other window used to get resized simultaneously.

silk grove
bright granite
silk grove
#

Alot of the people getting those temps are using air coolers

fossil frost
silk grove
#

I think I should be getting like 40 with a 280mm AIO?????

fossil frost
silk grove
#

comapred to say a themralright peerless assasin

fossil frost
bright granite
fossil frost
#

because i can make an auth request, see that it was accepted, and once i have the authorisation to be on the network, i dont use that authorisation

bright granite
#

Don't auth requests imply you used the correct credentials to be identified? Therefore using it?

#

I have no idea on details mind you.

fossil frost
#

no, authenticating means you unlocked the door... opening the door and walking through it, are subsequent steps

mint abyss
#

Just booted up my pc and the "This PC" shortcut on the desktop is gone missing. I know how to get it back but this has happened in the past and I'm wondering what happened?

fossil frost
#

doing the auth, merely validates the credentials, you then need to send further requests to associate with the network, and then get an ip address

#

it all seems like a single step when you put your password into windows or your phone or any other OS... but under the hood.. its many steps automated for you

bright granite
#

All I can relate to is an ATM, you put the card in so it knows its your card but then it doesn't do anything until you put a pin in.

fossil frost
#

my having your ATM card, and putting it into a machine... not illegal... my putting your pin number in without you knowing... not really illegal either... me then using that to look at your balance, print a statement, withdraw cash... super illegal

#

swiping the PIN with a fake ATM isnt technically illegal in most places... but when people get caught doing that, they usually get caught using those PINs for stealing cash too, which is illegal, and thats what they go to jail for

full fossil
#

If time is money does that mean ATMs are time machines?

devout pasture
#

what are toasters

night heron
#

but not time traveling

distant tide
devout pasture
#

thats when you have money

distant tide
#

Dang it

lost igloo
#

hi

harsh quartz
long briar
#

"I live in your walls and steal your internet"

silver sun
#

48

next flint
gray hull
#

Say hi!

next flint
north escarp
cinder wing
#

Anyone any advice how to google for a good mic? I want a good studio mic, that I can use niceley and that is not in front of my face. I kinda want it above me on the wall, or abive the monitor. But idk so its like half a meter away from me and my voice will get picked up clearly. There a name for this? I dont want a mic that has a standard and has to be almost inside my mouth to get picked up cuz thats not functional..

long briar
#

Your best bet would be the videomic go ii from rode

#

after that, you're spending hundreds to get a proper setup like the AT875R and some sort of other interface

cinder wing
#

I allready got a focusrite 2i4. And the budget is 300-600 euro's.

#

Ill look into shotgun mics

long briar
#

with all shotgun mics, you want to point it directly to your mouth and no further than you need it

odd thunder
#

I'm loving this latest video 🤣

elfin solar
#

One thing I found you have any mic that far away and it will pick up reverb and background noise if your room isn’t treated. It’s the reason I don’t have my se8 ( loved that mic).

pliant karma
coral sapphire
#

never done such thing, but is it possible to pass trough a midi usb keyboard to windows device aux output so I can connect it to the sampler?

#

(without using a DAW)

placid perch
#

Hi everybody!

junior yew
#

Hello there

placid perch
#

i've scoured bing and duckduck.go and still fail to understand what Louis Rossmann reading of a cease and desist from Youtube about an API. Anyone familiar?

#

i have an understanding of APIs. What I don't understand is what application is accessing an API that has youtube in such a huff

placid perch
#

ooh, cool. thanks!

chrome vector
languid siren
#

🍞

fossil frost
# long briar Send them a message over their local network somehow

i just went round and told them, they were interested in how it works, so i had to explain to them how wifi works and how different it is to wires and what could happen with a weak password for their wifi if someone other than their friendly neighbourhood spiderman security enthusiast found out that they had such a weak password

fossil frost
manic torrent
#

Yeah I figured 🙂

fossil frost
#

100% broke in, their WPS was turned off, which is good.. but their WPA key was in weakpass... so my gpu found it after about 10 minutes

wise isle
#

hi

#

im new

manic torrent
nocturne atlas
#

Me too

burnt ether
neon shoal
#

Guys how can I remove a pic cable from my gpu

cinder wing
#

pull it

neon shoal
#

It’s like resisting maybe it’s stuck

#

Like no matter how hard I try it’s not coming off

leaden quiver
#

push the little clip down

#

wiggle side to side

fossil frost
#

is it a display port cable? some of them have a button you have to press to release

neon shoal
#

No pci cable

fossil frost
#

ahh, pci power... nvm... then yeah, they can get stuck hard, push the clip, and wiggle

neon shoal
#

I’m not going to break it right

graceful burrow
#

We don't know
You might just lol

#

We can't tell the future

thin tulip
#

Oh crap wrong channel

graceful burrow
#

How is it concerning

#

It's just a Google search

thin tulip
#

I was expecting that google would judge me or something.

graceful burrow
#

??
No?

#

Google is a search engine
It searches

thin tulip
#

No. The assistant.

graceful burrow
#

You say that like Google assistant isn't just a ton of if then that statements

#

They haven't integrated bard into Google assistant at all

thin tulip
#

#

Tryna toggle the new UI.

#

Not working as far as I can tell.

#

Nope.

#

I get the popuo then nothing happens.

#

Nada.

#

Even if I relaunch.

graceful burrow
#

The new ui is standard now, that no longer works
Update your discord app

thin tulip
#

Reinstalled. Still. Don't have it.

#

Tf

graceful burrow
#

Post a screenshot of your app

elder bluff
#

what would be a good m atx pc case

thin tulip
#

Now its not respecting my reduce motion settings.

graceful burrow
#

Oh well I guess
Wait for an update 🤷‍♂️

thin tulip
#

Is it for tablets as well?

graceful burrow
#

It's the same app on the tablet just stretched

thin tulip
#

Tf...

#

Ok.

heady night
#

I hate the invisible HDD

wheat karma
#

man Zack Snyder is a legend

dreamy thorn
#

Shout outs to am4, gotta be one of the GOATs

sweet osprey
#

Any of yall know if I can use windows as an os to create a NAS?

graceful burrow
#

But ye absolutely

harsh quartz
#

We use a windows NAS at work cause it’s rarely used for very few files and we need something low skill and low maintenance

graceful burrow
#

Truenas core is absurdly low skill

#

Amd at the user end you just connect to it like any other samba share

harsh quartz
#

I mean, if I used one at home yeah I would probably use true nas, but I wasn’t the one that set it up :p

#

But it’s legitimately got like maybe a few gigs worth of files

manic torrent
pliant karma
#

Not fun

blazing lily
#

there's a dead pixel on the camera sensor for latest LTT video and its bugging the hell out of me lol

left dragon
#

Call Linus out, make a joking fuss out of it, turn it to profit and sponsor an LTT video about the dead camera sensor pixel lol.

#

I kid but would be funny them responding to it if they had not knew about it yet.

jagged heron
#

Hi

lime pollen
pliant karma
#

same didn't see a dead pixel though I might tale a look again

blazing lily
#

all thru the vid on their A cam 😄

#

when they crop you can see it drift around with their tracking haha

blazing lily
pliant karma
long briar
lime pollen
#

I can't unsee it now etiher

blazing lily
merry gull
#

I'm gonna cry if I somehow don't wake up to this awful sound that Apple created

#

the ear piercing lost mode alarm

full fossil
wispy marsh
#

It's a turn-on efiWink

manic torrent
wispy marsh
long briar
#

In my experience, temperature doesn't seem to play a major role in hot pixels

#

not as much as boosting iso

manic torrent
wispy marsh
wispy marsh
#

It's a denon amplifier fearcat

#

It's so big

shut lichen
wispy marsh
shut lichen
#

because you probably have a speaker killer 5000 like iono

wispy marsh
#

Hmm

#

I have a set of PSB Alpha P3's

#

The amplifier's from taobao, Aiyima A07

#

It sounds so good for a desk speaker BL3Mayaya

blazing lily
wary summit
#

long time no see people

idle nymph
#

sup

wary summit
#

I think Doreen is fibre? but at that price idk

manic torrent
#

.... lol

#

a) that fibre is only 1gb x2 between two switches
b) I have fibre internet, but it comes into here as UTP, and goes into the router up the top. 1000/50 and it's fine

manic torrent
wispy marsh
manic torrent
manic torrent
shut lichen
manic torrent
wispy marsh
long briar
#

(it's cold outside, enough that condensation becomes an issue)

long belfry
#

i discoverd something funny, one of my monitors displays the colours one tint lighter then they are filled meaning grade 1 colours display as white, whilst grade 2 colours display as grade 1

#

so i move it to one of the other 2 and its back to normal

#

i changed nothing exept the monitor its displayed on

#

both are 1440p ips panels

#

tho one is connected via usbc and one via hdmi

#

i thought it was amuzing tho

#

turns out to have been a contrast slider at 100% rather then 75 as normal

desert dagger
wispy marsh
desert dagger
#

well obviously, but still.. hang on.. gonna see if I can find a good example

#

#wastedscreenspace

wispy marsh
fresh drum
#

how to pronounce jakkhuh?

sand igloo
#

Jak-khuh.

gleaming harbor
#

is sleeping dogs aka asian gta worth it on sale

rapid apex
#

hi

fossil frost
#

if you want more dicking around... get saints row

wispy marsh
#

Sleeping dogs 10/10

tender wyvern
#

We don’t need this many linuth

vapid moss
devout pasture
#

what file should i paste from windows 10 iso to windows 11 iso in order to install windows 11 on an unsupported computer?

vapid moss
#

oh sleeping dogs is only $4, yeah get it

winter cedar
#

Any game suggestions to attempt to run on my intel compute stick?

devout pasture
#

can it run crysis?

gleaming ginkgo
#

We were getting our yearbook done now and i got roasted for my poker face 🤣

shut lichen
manic torrent
desert dagger
#

back in those days smh

manic torrent
desert dagger
#

I could listen to two mp3s at the same time

neon mesa
#

never tried winamp skins as i don't know about them since i was really young (it was XP era)
though my younger self loved the visualizer and just stare at it

winter cedar
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Im gonna try tdu2 on it and maybe some other basic stuff but yea, 2gb of ram will be limiting

gleaming harbor
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first minigun from splatoon 3 irl sadly you cant put ink in that, water only

jagged dune
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Fym can't? Who's gonna stop you

shut lichen
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liquid is liquid.

jagged dune
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^

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As long as you're not shooting people with it, No one can stop you sassy_shrug

gleaming harbor
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i mean if you use printer ink thats real splatoon but more damage then colored water

sour merlin
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Did I downlaod the right COD ? I want to play warzone but this popped up when I searched cod warzone

cloud portal
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Say hi!

manic torrent
indigo atlas
gilded forge
fringe ledge
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hi

summer folio
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Does Discord have anything to do with DiscWorld?
Disc.

quartz nimbus
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who likes cable management?

summer folio
gleaming harbor
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the more cables that look like a studio, the better

quartz nimbus
# summer folio Nobody does, the more cables everywhere the better

I have a steam game that is about cable management. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2541310/The_Cable_Guy/

Welcome to the world of cable chaos! You are the IT company's savior, the one and only cable guy. Your mission is to navigate through a procedurally generated maze of tangled wires and connect all the users to their servers in the corporate network.In an ever changing office environment you'll have a ton of cables and other nifty tools to help y...

Release Date

February 2024

▶ Play video
summer folio
quartz nimbus
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shut lichen
summer folio
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?

summer folio
summer folio
shut lichen
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Dude do you even know what you wrote? KEKW

summer folio
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That discussion piracy on a braod scale is allowed,
Like marketting on piracy sites tips to the creator.

shut lichen
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What you said was not broad at all KEKW

summer folio
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You're the child that cries wolf Ethan.

shut lichen
gilded forge
summer folio
shut lichen
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🤡

quartz nimbus
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🤡

near nymph
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Oh hi boys.

keen cradle
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i like pizza

summer folio
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Pizza Party at work!!1 PogChomp

carmine stirrup
near nymph
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DO YOU GUYS... Wanna listen to some controversial tending music?

summer folio
near nymph
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do y'all like WAP? pepoJuice

summer folio
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"You are listening to "blablaba" from the albm blablabla" says randomly in the song

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Now I know I like Nightwish, Now I would buy a ticket if they evere came to my town. jamesLaser

carmine stirrup
summer folio
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Good Guy Nightwish, uploads their creative work for free.

shut lichen
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Stop making up shitty excuses for being a pirate KEKW

carmine stirrup
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"I steal from people, but I'll pay them for other stuff that I can't manage to steal, so I'm a good person"

near nymph
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It's fine to be poor

shut lichen
carmine stirrup
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Libraries exist

near nymph
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Coomer sites exist. No need to Pirate that stuff

keen cradle
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lol

summer folio
keen cradle
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what????

summer folio
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Copy 1:s & 0:s is not stealing.

carmine stirrup
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Intellectual property is property

shut lichen
summer folio
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Agree to disagree.

carmine stirrup
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Whenever you steal stuff, you're just making other people support you

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and when artists release things for free, they do it only because other people have paid into the system

near nymph
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I pirated stuff lately... Not proud of it... But they didn't have TED (2024) until recently. In Canada

summer folio
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in Sweden it's only legal to "pirate" stuff to close friends/family.

shut lichen
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Steal from movie companies and record companies all you want, they're rolling in money, but fuck anyone that pirates games that you can still easily obtain legitimately

keen cradle
summer folio
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Like, if I have bought a movie or CD there is 0 reason for my friends to buy it, they can just copy my movie/music

shut lichen
keen cradle
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lol

summer folio
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You pay a couple of cents extra on all CD/DVDs, & per GB on on all storage devices in Sweden.
& Then the company "CopySwede" distributes all those money to all copyright holders.

keen cradle
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what about like

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every other place in the world

near nymph
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I would only justify piracy... If you can't access X thing. Like if a TV show isn't in your country.

shut lichen
near nymph
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Or.... I need to Pirate cuz... Wii games are no longer sold

keen cradle
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again, nintendo is a exception

mighty flare
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hi

near nymph
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Nintendo is kinda crappy

summer folio
shut lichen
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It's a deal your country made with record labels and movie companies