public-chat

[dreamy rose]

i mean. its google. they've got trillions at this point they don't need your 10 dollars.

[harsh quartz]

okay thats dumb

[fierce moth]

Thanks archive.org!

[ornate minnow]

why tho

wdym

[ionic abyss]

but honestly nintendos security is quite lax when you know what to look for

[graceful burrow]

nah these were obtained by a different means

[dusky jacinth]

I do not care for Spotify, the way their system works, and for the fact they don't actually have everything I'd want to hear.

[fierce moth]

Ah right

[harsh quartz]

i mean, collection wise sure its fine, but for practicality, and we were mroeso talking about background play for like cars, you cant run a vinyl in a car or on the go

[ornate minnow]

fair to each their own

[dusky jacinth]

At least CDs (for some) still work.

[ornate minnow]

its for home only for me

[dreamy rose]

eh. services like this suck anyway. having the files on device is the better way to play music.

[harsh quartz]

even then, everyone has a phone, just download a playlist

[dusky jacinth]

Or load your phone with music too.

Which is what I do and prefer.

[harsh quartz]

bruh, thats what ive been saying

[dreamy rose]

you always have the access to the library, or no ads. just your music

[fierce moth]

Personally I use a mix of youtube music and my personal plex media server

[dusky jacinth]

Though I will say, bluetooth audio with my car can sometimes turn into a pain in the ass. Lol.

[dreamy rose]

and you actually don't get screwed when its not on spotify or whatever becuase its not spotify

[ornate minnow]

if only phones still have headphone jacks

[harsh quartz]

thats because bluetooth audio sucks

[dusky jacinth]

And then it's really the only vehicle with bluetooth at all that I can drive.

Also, CarPlay and Android Auto on it somehow break themselves too.

[ornate minnow]

kinda why some peeps just wear headphones while driving

[dreamy rose]

can use USB cant you?

[harsh quartz]

this is fuckin cursed

[ornate minnow]

its what some peeps do sadly

[dusky jacinth]

... And that's before the whole infotainment system decides to crap itself, sometimes even taking the driver's screen with it.

[ornate minnow]

Also, CarPlay and Android Auto on it somehow break themselves too.
did you read this bud?

[harsh quartz]

im aware, and im aware that those people are psycopaths that are going to get hit by an ambulance they cant hear one day because they have headphones in

[gilded quest]

What's "Sega"

[graceful burrow]

the winner

[fierce moth]

I wanna get a mister fpga

[dusky jacinth]

Could, but like... At that rate, that system can't even be trusted to run with my phone plugged in before the screen freezes and then disconnects to bluetooth audio anyway, so... Yeah.

[gilded quest]

"winner"

[dreamy rose]

Carplay? Android Auto? bro i aint using those. i'm using that shitty GM Infortainment or anything NOT by apple or google. anything old like that.

shit with Tape decks

[gilded quest]

My car has Microsoft software 🥴

[dusky jacinth]

Yeeeaaah, until we talk more current vehicles (like both of mine), which only get CD players.

[dreamy rose]

2000s Jeeps and shit like that

[dusky jacinth]

My dad's truck is a 2004 Titan and only has a CD player. Tape deck was not an option for it either that far back.

[gilded quest]

Ah man

[dreamy rose]

what @harsh quartz its not like its a PC from like 2003. its not outdated as hell

[gilded quest]

My high school car had a 6 cd changer

[dreamy rose]

sure its not from the same decade as now but its not useless

[dusky jacinth]

That was an option now for his truck though.

[harsh quartz]

1. its a jeep 2)its an american made vehicle in the past 20 years

[dusky jacinth]

Just didn't get it and kinda glad he didn't, given all it's issues now.

[dreamy rose]

so?

it works. that's all a car needs to do it doesn't need to make steaks in the engine bay or scent the fuckin aircon or something ridiculous like that

[harsh quartz]

ahh yes, the standard features on modern vehicles, cooking steaks and scented ventilation, thats definitely a reasonable argument youve made

[dusky jacinth]

I don't want ones that have dumb concept-only features like that...

Most consumers don't either, even with the luxury cars.

People who want that have to figure it out themselves. Lol.

[dreamy rose]

i don't know or care what fancy cars have. irrelevant to what the actual purpouse is

[harsh quartz]

oh idk, more than 15MPG, working air conditioning, reliable engine, cruise control, electric windows, only the most luxurious of things

[dreamy rose]

Ok but who said the aircon didn't work and the windows are manual?

[dusky jacinth]

Wait, those have been normalized now though. Lmao.

[echo canopy]

A lot of trucks get worse then 15MPG in their modern incarnation

[harsh quartz]

oh, but you said you dont like luxury options, and those were luxury options back in the early 2000s, so your sending mixed signals here

[echo canopy]

The ford f-150 LX for example gets like 12

[harsh quartz]

yeah, like i said, american cars made withing the last 20 years 😛

[dusky jacinth]

Well, when towing or the ones with the larger engines and then a ton of options.

Though the ones that do get better range are like...

[dreamy rose]

in modern cars. this ones a Cherokee Red River. from like 2003.

[echo canopy]

3.5 6v ecoboost. One of the lowest trims.

[dusky jacinth]

... It depends on what exactly you're down for.

[echo canopy]

Large displacement engines can also be fuel efficient.

[harsh quartz]

and youve missed the point entirely, im not going further down this road

[dusky jacinth]

Oh no. Smaller. They put the four-pot Ecoboost in as the lowest trim now.

[dusky jacinth]

Indeed they can and they've worked to make that a thing.

[harsh quartz]

can the v12 get 30mpg?

[shut lichen]

people will complain about fuel cost while driving around something with more than 4 cylinders

[echo canopy]

Maybe with the right gearing and high enough compression

[harsh quartz]

i complain about it while driving around with 4 cylinders

[dreamy rose]

idk. just sounds like you're a jeep hater or something.

[dusky jacinth]

Uuhhh needs to be tiny in order to do that, I bet. Lol.

[echo canopy]

2.0 liter v12 lol

[dusky jacinth]

This only makes sense for those of us who have actually efficient straight 4s, but then like... The vehicle it's in is nearly 2 tons in overall mass anyway.

[harsh quartz]

oh wait its not a v12 i was thinking of, its a 8.0 liter W16 whatever the fuck W means

[echo canopy]

Nearly all turbo charged engines in modern cars are outright worse than older cars. Mainly turbo causes more internal friction and the lower compression ratios used to prevent detonation or as some people like to say knock

[dusky jacinth]

Excusing the part where it's usually a crossover with too many fails at trying not to have the aero of a flying brick.

[dusky jacinth]

Yep.

[dreamy rose]

like a V config but more pistons copy pasted to the other side

[shut lichen]

no no no, you have the right to complain when driving something that at least tries to be efficient.
anyone that buys an inefficient vehicle and then complains can go shove it where the sun doesn't shine

[echo canopy]

w is v but on each side of the crank the pistions are staggered a bit left and right to minimize the size of the block.

[shut lichen]

the engine I'm putting in my celica runs on the highest octane available and won't exactly use it efficiently, and you won't see me complaining about that

[dusky jacinth]

Oh them.

They should take the sun itself and shove it there instead in that case.

[echo canopy]

Weird as higher compression is more efficient

[harsh quartz]

||i really dont care that much||

[echo canopy]

Unless it’s because it’s turboed

[dusky jacinth]

They're expecting the unlikely if they want something that wasn't meant to be efficient to uuhhh... Be efficient. Lol.

[harsh quartz]

i want a peel p50 for shits n' giggles

[dreamy rose]

its like buying a Vanquish and crying its not as Efficient as a Cygnet

[shut lichen]

11.1:1, 86x86mm... perfect 2 litre. it won't be efficient because I won't be tuning it to be. I will squeeze as much power out of that thing as possible
and no, turbos are fucking expensive, I ain't doing that anytime soon

[dusky jacinth]

Like these companies aren't GMA, Koenigsegg, or something.
Those groups have no business doing what they do with efficiency and performance and yet they do it anyway. No major automaker bothers to, let alone has to accomplish those same feats to the same degree either.
That's literally pure choice alone and you lose a ton doing it.

[echo canopy]

You can get high power and be efficient. Just don’t run rich at lower RPM as it’s unnecessary and expensive

[dusky jacinth]

Exactly.

[shut lichen]

~200HP in stock form

[harsh quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-hub-bread-gif-21779939

[echo canopy]

You would also have to do an engine rebuild for a turbo. No way in fucking hell will a 11.1: survive a turbo even with forged pistons

[shut lichen]

oh it will. it's been done

[echo canopy]

Detonation my beloved

[harsh quartz]

lets put 7 turbos on 4 cylinder

[echo canopy]

Only twin turbo makes sense and barely

[harsh quartz]

7

[dusky jacinth]

Sooo one massive 4-pot, 7 teeny tiny turbos.

[echo canopy]

Wdym by pot?

[harsh quartz]

7 full fat turbos

[harsh quartz]

weed

[shut lichen]

cylinder

[harsh quartz]

this is an allegory for drugs

[dusky jacinth]

I'm aware of that having been done before. Lol.

[dusky jacinth]

Some refer to the cylinder as pots when counted.

Don't ask me why, they just do and I kinda use it interchangeably.

[harsh quartz]

sounds british

[echo canopy]

Init

[harsh quartz]

yeah we know your british, i wouldnt be proud of that

[echo canopy]

I’m a gas guzzling American wtf do you mean

[harsh quartz]

you can lie all you want but we know the truth, its in our DNA to smell a british

[shut lichen]

the hartley twin turbo 1gz v12 runs 11.5:1 compression, which is the same as the stock compression of the altezza version of the 3S that many people turbo without issue

[echo canopy]

If anything I have Irish and Italian heritage

[harsh quartz]

were you born in a dublin street?

[golden talon]

me with my engine running a 11:1 compression ratio stock with hypereutic pistons

[echo canopy]

It can be done yes. For anything not MotoGP or rally WHY

[shut lichen]

because moar powa

[echo canopy]

My car stock does 10:1 on 87 octane exclusively for efficiency reasons

[dusky jacinth]

Jamaican-Chinese, German-Scott American.
Basically, I'm a "mutt". Lol.

[golden talon]

11:1 on 93 octane equates to 32 mpg in a heavyass SUV

[median idol]

My dad side is like a Romeo and Juliet scenario. Of Iranian-Azeri and Armenian ancestry

[echo canopy]

Thats basically 20 MPG when price adjusted compared to 87

Unless you use additives that cheaper then just straight 93

[golden talon]

Neva

Sometimes i run 91 octane for long road trips but otherwise 93 all the way

[harsh quartz]

at elast here 93 isnt too too much more than 87, 87 is already ludicrous tho

[echo canopy]

Spot the California user

[shut lichen]

https://engineswapdepot.com/?p=51286

[harsh quartz]

bruh im tennessee

[echo canopy]

LMAO

[golden talon]

bro lives in the middle of nowhere

[harsh quartz]

we have so many people in this chat from tn weirdly enough

[dusky jacinth]

Oh yeah.

I forgot you came from there too, like I did. Lol.

[harsh quartz]

probably cause theres fuck all to do here so we have computers to waste time

[shut lichen]

the only thing I know tennessee for is mediocre whiskey and fedex, aka mediocre shipping

[echo canopy]

BRUH THATS only 800 hp with v12? There are beta II engines in South Korea that make 1000 WHP

[harsh quartz]

bruh, you gonna bring up whiskkey and just not mention moonshine?

[golden talon]

I miss my old 335i lol, 850 hp out of that piece of shit

[harsh quartz]

hillbillys and moonshine is literally our claim to fame

[shut lichen]

literally a few words below that mention 1017 after swapped to 11.5:1

[median idol]

Moon pies?

[harsh quartz]

ehh, thats a tourist thing

[shut lichen]

with only 11.6 psi

[echo canopy]

Ah yeah I’m dumb

[shut lichen]

limited by what? the fuel system

[echo canopy]

That’s surprising

We’ll, that they didn’t fix that

[shut lichen]

was probably the same system from when it was making ~700hp without the turbos

[harsh quartz]

only limited by your courage

[shut lichen]

this is an article from almost 4 years ago right after the swap happened

[echo canopy]

Probably done now

[echo canopy]

It’s limited by your head blowing off like a manhole cover

[harsh quartz]

its thoughts like that thatll keep you from reaching your highest possible point

you give up a few things chasin a dream

[echo canopy]

limited by your transmission effectively getting a neural dump every time you press the throttle

[harsh quartz]

skill gap

[golden talon]

just increase line pressure

[harsh quartz]

Just drive an automatic

[echo canopy]

automatics are still less efficient

[shut lichen]

the only efficient "automatics" are good CVTs

[echo canopy]

Except ones without launch gear that shreds themselves in a few years

[harsh quartz]

Rav4 BB

[unreal wing]

should i replace the glass skates on my m800 pro with dot skates

[lilac bear]

wth are dot skates

oh a dot of PTFE

up to you, glass needs a new coating every 6 months
PTFE lasts years but isn't as smooth

[wispy marsh]

I should buy a merch message next week

Really want news on that small backpack

[manic torrent]

Lol. Depends what you mean by "auto". But an automatic gearbox is pretty much faster in every way.

[lilac bear]

automatic drain gallons of fuel
manual with bald tires better

with full on cow in the back trunk

[manic torrent]

What the fuck?

[golden talon]

Lol wat

automatics are more efficient than manuals

[harsh quartz]

not the way i drive it

[manic torrent]

In a modern context, there's honestly nothing in it. It's all down to driving style.

[harsh quartz]

i just drive my automatic as inneficiently as possible

[golden talon]

A dude in a manual car trying to hypermile will be less efficient than the same dude in a modern automatic trying to hypermile

[harsh quartz]

ive heard of a country mile but i aint ever heard of no hyper mile before

[finite rain]

Where do I go for Mac tech

[harsh quartz]

hell

[manic torrent]

Nope.

[golden talon]

Feel free to prove me wrong

Computers will always be more efficient than humans

[manic torrent]

.... I see you don't know shit about fuck.

[lilac bear]

I make sure to red line my automatic and let it idle whenever possible to prove to people that manuals better than automatics from a usage point

[golden talon]

Still waiting for you to prove me wrong

[harsh quartz]

no?

[manic torrent]

Hypermiling is all about maintaining speed. At a fixed speed there is zero advantages to an auto gearbox.

On average, I would expect that an auto car would get better mileage than a manual. Yes.

But that's not because it's "more effecient"

[lilac bear]

idk about you but I feed my slaves in $10 in food a day
but this RTX 4090 costs me $30 a day in electricity bills

[manic torrent]

The reason to get a manual is because you enjoy it and you enjoy driving. Nothing else.

[golden talon]

You assumed I meant hypermiling on a highway or something lmao

[lilac bear]

I'll hypermile your mom

[manic torrent]

..... That's what hypermiling is

[golden talon]

Hypermiling is literally just trying to get places as efficiently as possible, type of road be damned

[lilac bear]

so you just made the point that trains are the best form of transportation

[golden talon]

to quote " the practice of making adjustments to a vehicle or using driving techniques that will maximize the vehicle's fuel economy."

[lilac bear]

[harsh quartz]

the slaves probably cant even raytrace, smh

[golden talon]

On paper maybe

[manic torrent]

Yes, but people who do that are off their fuckin chops, so who gives a shit

The difference is irrelevant

[golden talon]

It's relevant when you're trying to stuff highways into an argument that has nothing to do with it lmao

[manic torrent]

.... Wut

[lilac bear]

fr fr I have to plug their neuralinks into my desktop server

[manic torrent]

Manual transmissions are dead, in any case. Certainly in America

[golden talon]

It's a shame but yes

[manic torrent]

I love my manual transmission. But they are dead.

There is no sane reason for an NPC to buy a manual car.

[golden talon]

They're all just moving to EVs now lol

[harsh quartz]

MANUAL evS

[golden talon]

that's gonna be a thing in a couple of years

Lexus is working on one

[lilac bear]

Manual EVs

[golden talon]

yes

[lilac bear]

is the gearbox still going to cost an arm and a leg like an automatic

[golden talon]

well there is no gearbox

its just a stupid shifter thats hooked up to a computer that limits the torque of the motors to make it feel like a manual

has a clutch and everything

[harsh quartz]

you act like motorheads wont buy it

also they gotta have something for the old folk to drive when gas cars eventually get phased out

[limber marten]

They're right I won't buy it it's an EV
I do not speak for all motorheads only myself

[harsh quartz]

aight so when you can no longer buy parts for gas cars would you rather have a manual or automatic EV?

[limber marten]

manual ofc

[harsh quartz]

and thats the point, even though the manual means literally nothing other than feel of the vehicle, you would prefer it

[golden talon]

modern manuals dont even feel that good personally ngl

[manic torrent]

It's a pointless discussion. Society will have collapsed before then.

[golden talon]

I liked the GT3s manual and the S2000's manual thats about it, really

[manic torrent]

S2000 is not modern bro

[harsh quartz]

tbf a lot of automatics dont feel that great either

[golden talon]

I didnt say its modern

[harsh quartz]

you implied it

[golden talon]

I just said I liked it

[limber marten]

The only time I really like an automatic is in my Grandma's XR6

[golden talon]

I do want to drive a miata manual once though

dont care much for the rest of the manual cars on the market

[harsh quartz]

imma just stick with my automatics and have an easier time driving

[manic torrent]

I like the 6 speed in my legacy GT wagon

[opal thunder]

they said they disliked modern manuals then proceeded to talk about something you dont consider modern.... wasnt the point that it wasnt modern?

[golden talon]

To be fair I think some people consider the GT3 modern

[harsh quartz]

they mentioned modern manuals, then listed 2 manuals, that implies that hes saying theyre modern

[manic torrent]

"modern z isn't that good. X and y are the only ones I like"

[opal thunder]

wait i replied to the wrong person 🤡

[golden talon]

Except... sent in two completely different messages

[manic torrent]

There's a lot of different GT3s

[manic torrent]

.... One right after the other.

[harsh quartz]

two completely different messages that in no way was completely differnt

[golden talon]

Different messages nonetheless

What a pointless fucking argument lmao

[harsh quartz]

they LOOK like two halves of the same thought, as thats what most people would see

[manic torrent]

It's ok to admit you were not clear in your communication

[harsh quartz]

i fuckin LIVE for arguing over petty semantics, this shit is my JAM

[golden talon]

Anyway, 991.1

[opal thunder]

Im neurodivergent so i didnt see that until you pointed it out but yeah both sides make sense imo

[manic torrent]

991.1 is modern compared to a fucking S2000 😄

[golden talon]

the MYs i drove were 6 years apart i mean

[manic torrent]

But Porsche have always made good gearboxes

[golden talon]

AP2 S2K was good

[harsh quartz]

yeh, shame theyre in Porsches

[golden talon]

Porsche hella based wym

[opal thunder]

this is the internet there are more arguments than there are seconds left for me to live on this planet lmao

[manic torrent]

I drove a 996 cabriolet manual and to be honest.... It slapped.

Not because cab, but because manual.

[harsh quartz]

theyre based cause theyve only made 1 car for the past 40 years and convince people to keep buying it

[golden talon]

It's always a tough choice with porsche now, do you go for one of the best dual clutches or one of the best manuals

[golden talon]

What's wrong with that?

Obviously it's selling cars and smashing records

[harsh quartz]

its just....meh

[golden talon]

I can see the boring design language

[manic torrent]

In that they have refined it over and over and it's an incredible machine? Yes.

[golden talon]

But it's definitely, undeniably evolved as a car

[manic torrent]

You can choose not to like it

[harsh quartz]

imo it didnt look good to begin with and 40 years havent made it loo kkbetter

[golden talon]

I don't actually love the 911s as much though

I find the Caymans much more fun to drive despite them being slower

[harsh quartz]

porsches look the same as beetles to me

[manic torrent]

I think I should buy a cayman

[golden talon]

That joke died decades ago

[harsh quartz]

its not a joke, i think theyre just as ugly

the cayman is better but im not 100% down with it

[golden talon]

The Cayman feels much more playful than a 911

louder, smaller

ive driven a GT4RS but ive had a bit more playtime with a 4.0 GTS 981

[steep girder]

Beat everyone on green light who reaches for sport mode button. Youre still the more sport moding one because shift point to second is when you really have to lol

[harsh quartz]

what about the porsche macan

[golden talon]

i cross shopped one when buying my X3

it's an overpriced audi

[steep girder]

Then just gotta hit 2nd propery maybe and you won.

[harsh quartz]

all the european SUVs are ugly as fuck to me, with the exception of the jaguar F-pace

[golden talon]

each to their own ig

I went with the X3 because of class leading reliability and i do want to mess with it down the line

[harsh quartz]

they look like theyre still really trying to be caravans or station wagons, too boxy

[golden talon]

thats what most of them are trying to do lmao

theyre just wagons on stilts

[harsh quartz]

yeah, and i dont like it

[steep girder]

Then again, on super cars it gets to a point where machine shifts better. I saw a video in russia a guy kept smoking the other car because he was manual. His car was apparently 'better' but idk you gotta like shift up 1 to 69 gear in three seconds perfectly lmfao

And the clutch already has to be let go into first before you started. If you give gas at all, its already smoked lol. Thats how bam margera got his porsche or some sht. The guy loading it during shipment took it for a joy ride

[golden talon]

Dual clutch transmissions are a cheat code unless you're doing launches

[steep girder]

Burnt in one ride. Hella joy ride that cost one german clutch lmfao. Then he like made a vid of him n steevo finding where he lived and dumping paint buckets on his car.

[steep girder]

Then cheat code is undone because gears are flat lol

Isnt the real cheat code in most non-racing cars the fact that they dont go in straight or something. Thats why it doesnt take like 3 tries to plug it into that gear

[golden talon]

Wat

are you talking about CVTs or something?

[steep girder]

Racing cars have flat gears. Theyre hard to plug into apparently. The reason why you see trying to shift multiple times i heard. Idk never drove one like that though

[shut lichen]

no, they're talking about helical gears in most regular transmissions
and the syncros are what make it easy to change gear, Helical gears are just quieter

what you refer to as "flat gears" are straight cut gears

they're noisy af, and are also used as the reverse gear in most transmissions too, which is why there's a whine while reversing

[steep girder]

Yeah straight cut sounds right.

Lol didnt know about the reverse gear though heh

[shut lichen]

aka spur gears

[steep girder]

They have the least resistance right? Makes sense for race I guess. Gotta get aa much of those HP to wheels

[manic torrent]

Lol super cars. Like a golf.

Also a racing gearbox is often sequential, in that you literally have to go up or down, you can't select a gear.

[steep girder]

True. That even moreso explains dual clutch i guess. Unless im spewing complete nonsense again heh

[manic torrent]

Unrelated to dual clutch.

On the street you often want to skip up or down.

[steep girder]

If it alternates between two even and odd, idk makes sense to shift sequentially. Or at least skip two, four idk. Arent you not supposed to skip in general? Like i dont think i go from 4 to 2 Unless neutral was in between lol

[steep girder]

I mean I remember wanting to go 6 to 4 on freeway because i was fking around and kept slowing down and zipping away on some poor fella. He thought he was fast lol

[manic torrent]

No, a sequential gearbox is literally built to physically only ever be able to go up or down. It does not have gear selectors in the same way

[steep girder]

Gotcha.

[manic torrent]

This is basically doesn't exist on street cars.

[steep girder]

Like in beamng DCS or whatever?

DCT something like that

[manic torrent]

No, not at all.

Dct is dual clutch

[steep girder]

Oh. Right lol. It only shifts up and down by one though. Maybe im remembering wrong idk. Tbh the controls are up and down by one haha

I dont have a shifter controller :p
or a car steering wheel at that

[manic torrent]

Because that's what the controls do.

[steep girder]

I opportunistically used flight yoke and rudder pedals. Didnt go quite as imagined

[manic torrent]

The actual gearbox can select different gears

The difference is that a sequential gearbox is physically limited to up and down.

In auto mode they will often skip shifts.

[steep girder]

Right im looking at one now lol. Never drove anything besides automatic with PRND and regular ol standard

[manic torrent]

I have never driven a sequential either. As I said, it's race only.

[steep girder]

Right. So when you should be driving one, it means youre also likely in roll cage and steering wheel is weird lol

Car is like formula one 0.8L and uses methanol for fuel or some sht :P

[manic torrent]

Yes, and there's a giant LED segment display showing the gear

Nah, rally or circuit

[steep girder]

Oh yeah lol. Cause you gotta know gear but cant tell by shifter. Never thought of that

Then again im one of those people that jerk shifter to side to triple check its in neutral lol

It might not be in neutral every 5 sec for some reason xD

Ive had times i forget gear or think im in low gear but really its down two gears up. Then I realize mid shift i dun goofed. Honestly thank god for selecting gear because i put it back into same one lmao

Also where is neutral in sequential? Is clutch pedal the neutral gear? Lol

Honestly could be enough if you keep it out. If i ever have some incident (knock on wood) I feel like it will be up to clutch pedal quickness. Shift to neutral is preferred idk. Like trying to get out of a colossal tokyo drift. Remember to shift to N is a tall order. Both hands on wheel is important too. Even w power steering, I dont think one is enough to be stable and precise. Never tried losing control tho. I drifted only twice in my life. Both manual but first one was front wheel drive. People advised me not to but I randomly dared myself. Almost overcorrected into an oncoming car too. Engaged it by just accelerating fast and turning suddently. Second time i somehow perfectly did it on a left turn into lane. Everybody else saw it too stopped on red both sides. Idk it was AWD and rain helped. Still it was xdrive bimmer so I wasnt supposed to drift on it lol

[steep girder]

Rally btw idk. Its insane to me. Is the whole idea that driver goes in blind and doesnt know course? There is second guy spotting with list of turns

[manic torrent]

Absolutely not, they pre drive the course.

[steep girder]

Or do they do it because there are too many turns and a second person yelling out angles is somehow more precise? Either way eek

[manic torrent]

Yes, because you need to know the upcoming turns in order to position the car and handle weight transfer.

[steep girder]

So driver just listens to spotter more as more executive instruction? Wow

[steep girder]

So must show how crazy it is. Youd think the driver could drive it a few times and if car is the same exact one, theyd memorize by feeling

[manic torrent]

The rally courses are huge

[steep girder]

Also lol they must predice with same or similar passenger if the spotter is 250lbs even... maybe

I have a friend in low 300s and I stall sometimes when he first gets in lmfao. But then when i start driving i adjust somehow subconsciously almost immediately by how it feels afterwards

But then again idk 400 turns and bends on gravel and you drift on a lot of them...

[steep girder]

Ive seen like traditionally every year some dutch town gets pretty much entirely closed down for rally race. Long but also entire town is mountain serpentine. Tbh thats another thing i never did. Actual mountain cross. Trucker vlogger I remember said they dont even cross and wait for weather to get decent

Was something like colorado doesnt allow chains for some reason. So he waits until its safe lol. I wouldnt do it even w chains maybe. Or simply already because its like semi or full truck on mountain side

Like im not sure about the rest but if you lose one of front wheels... what do you do? Pray? The guard rail is your last hope but they always make them smaller than usual :p

On the other hand rally car has roll cage and youre buckled in. Race cars roll a lot come to think of it and the problem is getting unbuckled afterwards lol. Methanol fuel I think the problem is just to see the flame in daytime...

But injury wise I mean the malcom in the middle star took up racing and hit his head apparently to the point where it caused issues. He corrected the story later saying he didnt forget all of his childhood as the rumors had it. Just a lot of it and malcolm in the middle he forgot most way before because he didnt care lmfao. So he started racing because he wanted to forget it, not vice versa

[manic torrent]

Most race cars don't run on methanol, and they use fuel cells that don't leak when they are upside down

[steep girder]

But then take like boxing and honestly guaranteed same brain injury only a matter of time. Begs the question who is crazier: the racer or jet pilot taking serious risks or boxer who takes head slugs 10 rounds entire fight :p

[steep girder]

I hope. Also yeah methanol i dont like the idea. Is methanol fuel even safe to smell? Lol a tank of it.

It doesnt take much to like damage eye nerves with another tiny margin between that and lethal dose. And whats crazier is you can drink way more but since it's in drinkable ethanol like 40%, nothing really happens. That might be true never really fact checked on it but moonshine can still blind and kill. So idk dont catch the head or tails whichever has mostly methanol.

[opal thunder]

71kmph wind gusts

crazy

[steep girder]

Honestly why arent we using ethanol or methanol fuel cars? Arent the emissions orders less problematic? Or even ethanol and methanol together. Literally crude distilled hooch and you can burn it.

[shut lichen]

why not methanol?
you asking that shows you know nothing about methanol.

[steep girder]

You shouldnt need to filter or separate anything at all apart from collecting where the alcohol starts and ends

[opal thunder]

if it worked better we would already be doing it

[steep girder]

I mean idk. Its lighter. It tastes like regular ethanol pretty much apparently but some say it has a bit of a sweeter tinge to it (lol whoever said that check on them)

[shut lichen]

the tiniest bit of methanol will kill you. racers have to use special helmets when driving a car with it

[steep girder]

But i know that methanol is insanely poisonous and also ends up corroding optic nerve. It doesnt take much either. Its same thing but instead of metabolizong into acetyl- stuff the way drinking alcohol does, its like a mirror process only all formyl-

[shut lichen]

and as for why we don't just use pure ethanol as fuel, it's energy density is mediocre, and you have to use more of it to make the same power
it's used in performance stuff because of it's high octane

[steep girder]

I.e. you dont have acetylaldehyde but instead formaldehyde at a certain point. Instead of turning it into ultimately like just vinegar which is acetic acid... you get formic acid

[shut lichen]

and the amount of farmland required to produce enough ethanol to fuel every single vehicle would be insane

[steep girder]

Formic acid has some additional poisonous effects. Dont know the exact chemistry but it binds something out in blood cells. Also somehow ends up eating optic nerve.

[steep girder]

I remember we talked about this here. But the land argument... does it take up more space per kilojoule than... idk wind?

I mean wind takes up enough space too. But also corn field doesnt kill birds and is the opposite of deforestation. CO2 consumed by plant helps to reduce the greenhouse problem right?

[shut lichen]

wind doesn't fuel a car
and wind farms can be built almost anywhere, and operate all the time, requiring very little maintenance.

but how is this even relevant? if you're trying to transition this into EVs, wind is a small percentage of pretty much any high renewable grid.
Hydro > all

[steep girder]

But idk methanol burns into co2 as well right? CO? Either way it has carbon and youre burning it up just like fuel. But while its produced, it converts that co2 back into oxygen uniquely. Petrol is like oil rig and breathes oil sometimes onto ocean surface. 10000 turtles die idk

[shut lichen]

any carbon based fuel will produce co2

[steep girder]

Plus the oil spill can be on fire already too sometimes. Idk but my point is you cut out oil at least.

[shut lichen]

which is why burning hydrogen is cool

[shut lichen]

you literally have to deforest to create more farmland. animals n shit live in forests, not farmland

[steep girder]

Actually yeah what about H2 lol. You could literally electrolize even ocean. I mean if that uses little enough energy to do somehow

[shut lichen]

outside of low volume stuff/racing/converting old engines, hydrogen combustion makes very little sense. you still need energy to produce that hydrogen, and transport it. much more efficient to just put that energy into a battery and power an electric motor in any regular car

[steep girder]

Honestly im kinda skeptical because if youre getting it from water, that should be energy required to break that bond.

I feel like the potential you get when water separates to h2 is similar to what you spent electrolyzing in the first place, no?

Also yeah its a light gas at most considerably normal pressures and temps lmfao

[shut lichen]

I don't think you fully understand how hydrogen is made, and the logistics of getting it to the vehicle that needs it

[steep girder]

Hydrogen is made a lot of ways i think. Tbh hydrogen was supposedly first element to ever form in universe. Actually everything else was made from hydrogen

[shut lichen]

that vs the efficiency of just charging up a BEV and driving that, is why "outside of low volume stuff/racing/converting old engines, hydrogen combustion makes very little sense."

[steep girder]

Even all other atoms in universe at some point were hydrogen lol.

[steep girder]

Right but the whole thing is fuel can have the energy already inside it. Electric batteries dont get found in nature. And even when you find them, they didnt precharge themselves :p

[shut lichen]

what on earth are you on

Energy, in the form of electricity is required to create and transport fuel.
that electricity can just be used to directly charge a BEV instead, increasing the efficiency exponentially

[steep girder]

Fossil fuels you find with energy in it. Electric vehicles are virtually always charged through some other means in terms of energy source

Actually was gonna say what about ethanol source and ebv but thats stupid lol

Probably not as efficient as fossil fuel regardless

Honestly no idea how much space corn fields would take up but i feel like best case scenario is it beats wind lol. Which I already dont like

Nuclear + ebv because nuclear cleanest and most efficient we have. Should be that.

[shut lichen]

so you're forming opinions on energy sources while nothing absolutely fuck all about the topic... noted

[steep girder]

Or at least nuclear until we can even afford and built up solar, wind, whatever

[steep girder]

I really didnt form an opinion. Just that some people say we cant sustain ourselves if we shut down all nuclear immediately at the moment

Especially if ebv charger replaces all petrol stations right now lol

[shut lichen]

no idea how much space corn fields would take up but i feel like best case scenario is it beats wind
literally an opinion based on fuck-all
Which I already dont like
and an opinion about wind energy that is either based on fuck-all or the disinformation shit

[crude jasper]

dude ethan

Dimmski is a professional yapper

It's been like 6 months of this

[steep girder]

Well no my opinion is i have nothing against wind or solar if it actually works

[shut lichen]

[steep girder]

But like we already saw a rolling black out not long ago in Texas of all places lol

[shut lichen]

that has nothing to do with the energy source and everything to do with the dogshit management of the grid by rubbish companies in charge of it

and corruption

[steep girder]

And some people are of the opinion that we will see more. This is because they theorize that certain pushers of wind and solar have no interest in any long term or even short term success

Instead some say its people trying to make a quick buck lol

[shut lichen]

and those theorisers have no fucking clue what they're on about, and are chasing all the wrong issues

the US is constantly getting fucked by oil and coal funded lobbyists

[steep girder]

And I mean gotta hand it to them... solar panels but for some reason all from china shipped across some of the longest possible strerches of ocean on planet... as opposed to idk US producing their own at home... kinda sus green energy lol

[shut lichen]

I can tell you know nothing about global logistics from that message

[wary mulch]

Hey is anyone here good with laptops

[shut lichen]

#1027757333117415424

[wary mulch]

K

Thx

I made a post called F Gaming F15 FX506 gaming laptop

[steep girder]

Right then theres the other side which honestly im also skeptical to believe them. They are in it for the buck too probably. We all are lol. But then I guess there are remaining questions you could still ask... like is china shipped solar panel across pacific to replace all energy even possible without us running out beforehand and reverting back to stone age? What about the oil?

[wary mulch]

Can u check it out, any help would be greatly appreciated

[steep girder]

But personally i like to look at it: how much energy do we use to haul solar panels across pacific? Is it at least a net positive lmfao

And also environmentalists' extreme chain myself to the highway enthusiasm about us ruining our ecology... what about literally the most spillage possible of solar panel into ocean (again entire fkn pacific and all panels sourced from china)... why the silence lmfao

[manic torrent]

if only there was a whole bunch of people whose whole fucking job it is to understand this

and you could just fucking listen to them

Literally the oil and gas companies have known full well about climate change for 50+ years and they have actively worked against changes that would have helped against it.

[shut lichen]

what even makes you think that all solar panels come from china?
the 2nd biggest solar panel producer is canadian

the 3rd is american

and a lot of the china production that does exist, will be going to china and other parts of asia.... they are kinda the biggest lump of the population

[steep girder]

I mean we already polluted literally all water on planet with microplastic. Its my fav to bring up because say what you will about atmosphere and earth being hottest recorded since we began doing so a few hundred years ago maybe is accurate enough to know something concrete... microplastics everywhere are 100% made by humans without any doubt. So we know for certain we did something to planet which is abnormal (literally never happened before once because theoretically not a sign of anything that even increases by any amount an already unlikely enough chance to not be considerable... that tiny plastics were in the earths water ways somehow happened before)

[manic torrent]

if only it was possible to be worried about more than one thing

[opal thunder]

My windows are rattling lmao

[pallid wyvern]

Can someone tell me if I should start by buying a case then later start buying pc parts 1 by 1

[shut lichen]

that's not very fast, you should get some better windows

[manic torrent]

There is no benefit

[shut lichen]

no. save your money until you can buy it all

[opal thunder]

My window is not actually rattling but since the roof is right next to it the wind being redirected is very loud

Had to check after you said that

[hot tide]

yo in a bright ass room whats better qled or led

also whats the diffrence between qled and led

[shut lichen]

qled is just led with quantum dots...
what really matters is the specific panel you get

[crude jasper]

qled

[pallid wyvern]

That’s a mission

[hot tide]

ok

thanks

[crude jasper]

do you mean qled vs oled ?

[hot tide]

no

[crude jasper]

qled and lcd are both good in sunlit, bright rooms

[shut lichen]

you're not going to have a functioning computer until you've spent that much money anway, so no point in spending it until you have all of it.

[hot tide]

oled wont work for me

its between two huge windows

[shut lichen]

if you start buying things now, you'll likely end up with worse parts than you could've gotten if you wait

[pallid wyvern]

I make 200 a week I’ll just buy case then next week cpu then next week gpo

Cpu

[opal thunder]

The only reason I wouldn’t do this is if you see some insane deal or bundle

[hot tide]

is nanocell lgs version of qled

[shut lichen]

or you could save that money and buy it all at once.

[opal thunder]

But didn’t have enough to fork out the entire amount for a system

[shut lichen]

and if you suddenly need to spend money on something else, you'll have that money.

[pallid wyvern]

Takes too long dude

[shut lichen]

instead of being broke

[shut lichen]

let me repeat myself
you won't have a functioning computer until all the money is spent anyway

[crude jasper]

Do you even have monthly bills

[pallid wyvern]

No

[crude jasper]

Takes too long my ass

[pallid wyvern]

Okay why can’t I just wait a couple weeks

I see no problem I got an Xbox and gaming laptop rn

[shut lichen]

it will take exactly the same amount of time either way
just save the money until you have enough to buy everything at once.

and a couple weeks? at 200 a week you ain't getting anything decent in a couple of weeks lol

[pallid wyvern]

All good

[shut lichen]

at some point you're going to need to learn how to save money, may as well start now

if you just spend money as you get it, you're going to make bad purchasing decisions and end up regretting it

[pallid wyvern]

Mission

[shut lichen]

@crude jasper the yapper has been typing for a while

[crude jasper]

Lol

[pallid wyvern]

Anyone know a good cpu budget is 50-200 aud

😋

[shut lichen]

.

[pallid wyvern]

Send good cpu

[shut lichen]

you've already got a laptop and xbox.... save up your money and buy something that'll actually be decent @pallid wyvern
and also this is the entirely wrong channel. go create a thread in #1106613567966429224

and like do some video watching.... you're not going to be easy to help if you have zero clue on what you're doing, which it sounds like is the case

[pallid wyvern]

All I know is

Cpu with the h at the end

Gives good fps

[shut lichen]

that's a laptop chip thing

[pallid wyvern]

Bruh

[shut lichen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY

[pallid wyvern]

Thanks Pookie

Hope it helps

[shut lichen]

you've got a lot of learning to do, good luck and have fun!

[pallid wyvern]

@steep girder whys bro typing non stop

[opal thunder]

they are smashing their head into the keyboard because this chat hurts the soul sometimes

[median idol]

Man is he typing a novel or something

[pallid wyvern]

Wtf us dude typing😭😭😭

[edgy sluice]

Ok anyone

I biught a 4070 ti for my ryzen 5 5600 build

The psu is msi a750gf

Its a racing sim build will it bottleneck?

[steep girder]

You know how Day After Tomorrow uses imagery to convey that we caused something that never once had occurred before? Also while implying that we are the key factor which lead up to it? It's important tbh... because without painting a picture with those two things... what did the Earth descend into? An Ice Agev

[devout pasture]

bro its 3 lines

[opal thunder]

should be fine afaik

[edgy sluice]

Oh

I just realized im not in tech chat my bad guys

[shut lichen]

@steep girder do yourself a favour, go touch some grass and then learn how to get your information from actual trusted, factual sources

[opal thunder]

5600 is pushing it a bit though

if at 1080p

[edgy sluice]

Im gonna upgrade the cpu later

[edgy sluice]

1080p for now

[shut lichen]

6 cores is fine

it's simracing, not cyberpunk

[steep girder]

So the main things they intended to portray that its even abnormal in any sense:

• It took a few days to reach mid ice age of entire planet
• We didnt predict or even see it coming until it already started
• The infamous horror imagery of the continent sized ubercells (impressive as they are in size already) freezing all living things at the eye of the storm in mere seconds

[shut lichen]

[opal thunder]

Yeah but for the gpu in general the 5600 is not the best but will work

[shut lichen]

what is this incoherent rambling about a movie

[median idol]

Never change, pub chat..... Never change

[edgy sluice]

What is that guy yapping about

[opal thunder]

had too much to drink maybe? idk

[shut lichen]

seems more like a stoner with too much internet access

[opal thunder]

but you dont really type that well when drunk so idk

[errant mesa]

dont ask you dont ask if you've had too much to drink, you ask, have you left enough for tomorrow

[wispy marsh]

Hey

[opal thunder]

REAL

[wispy marsh]

Does anyone know which headset Linus is using on his BeatSaber stream?

[shut lichen]

he says it in the stream

the bigscreen beyond, the one he's doing the review on

[wispy marsh]

I've never tried VR before (only 5min game demos) and I'm contemmplating the Quest 2

[errant mesa]

i regret buying VR

[shut lichen]

normally, he uses a valve index

[wispy marsh]

Is it released or does he have a review unit?

[errant mesa]

$1600 sitting in my wardrobe

[opal thunder]

I want it so bad but im not mr money bags

[steep girder]

So disect all that. The eye of the storm ironically depicts that it's not a typical naturally occurring ice age because pretty much everybody immediately looks at it as surreal. Honestly, you'd probably start off by proving any scenarios possible at all in real life for this to occur even man made

[wispy marsh]

Index?

[shut lichen]

that message looks like you're drunk right now

[opal thunder]

Get a used one, very cheap and easy to resell if you dont like it.

[shut lichen]

smh, go play some beatsaber

[errant mesa]

nope, just adhd

[errant mesa]

no job atm, can't afford it lol

[wispy marsh]

I'm looking for ones below $220 and there are tons

[errant mesa]

Pro eye

[wispy marsh]

The BSBeyond looks good, but 1,000

[pallid wyvern]

Oi can someone tell me if the processor speed is the ghz

[shut lichen]

a what?

[wispy marsh]

Never heard of it, sorry

[steep girder]

Then the fact that its portrayed as abnormal because we didnt predict it. So a bunch of humans all start to run around and scream like crazy. Therefore not an ice age

[opal thunder]

1500 cad 😭

[pallid wyvern]

My laptop is 3’5 ghz

[errant mesa]

ill find it one sec

[wispy marsh]

It's around 1600/~1700CAD in my country

[errant mesa]

https://www.vive.com/nz/product/vive-pro-eye/overview/

[steep girder]

Day after tomorrow idk definitely crazy but what about week after the next?

[shut lichen]

it sounded great at first when linus talked about it on the wan show.... and the specs are great... but there's too many major downsides

[steep girder]

Or even full ice age next year? Think about it lol

[wispy marsh]

Yes and no. Architecture, branch prediction, scalable pipelines, workload, multithreading also determine the speed of the processor.

[opal thunder]

i cry since i would also need to buy base stations and controllers

[wispy marsh]

I see.

[shut lichen]

seriously, go touch some grass, and use less of whatever substance you seem to be on

[errant mesa]

I bought it i think 2 years ago?? - 1800

[wispy marsh]

I kid you not, it looks hilarious.

[wispy marsh]

Yeah. Singapore and Canada have similar currencies.

[steep girder]

cant afford the alcohol or the adhd lol

[errant mesa]

that could be both a positibe and negative

[shut lichen]

bad purchasing decision

[opal thunder]

literally 1:1 rn

[errant mesa]

whys that?

[errant mesa]

or the fasd, or epilepsy or apd

[opal thunder]

'

[chrome vector]

Damn, I knew 2230 SSDs were small, but holy shit. 2TB of data can fit on this? My gawd

[opal thunder]

[errant mesa]

.....why.....

[shut lichen]

jeez, let me type

[steep girder]

I have no clue what two of those are except for epilepsy lol.

[errant mesa]

Sorry

[full fossil]

hey i need some help with 1440p gaming

[fierce moth]

i got a lot of shit coming

[shut lichen]

not as good as the index, and roughly the same cost as just importing an index

[errant mesa]

Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, and Auditory Processing Disorder.

[wispy marsh]

Looks... disappointing. https://vr-compare.com/compare?h1=pDTZ02PkT&h2=PzyrrM6SuMh

[steep girder]

True. FASD sounds severe too

[errant mesa]

at the time it wasn't. i did explore the index but it was going to 500 minimum more.

[wispy marsh]

Also this page is wrong in that the Quest2 is actually 90hz

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[errant mesa]

yeah....it is. the simpliest way i can explain it, is imagine diffirent aspects of learning/brain at diffirent ages. maturiy maybe 22, reading level, 14 etc etc.

[full fossil]

is the ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6650xt good for 1440p gaming at 60 fps+, or the xbox series s?

[errant mesa]

don't underestimate the power of NZD

[shut lichen]

I've looked at importing an index multiple times since it came out. assuming you get the kit for the valve price and don't do something dumb like buying it from amazon for a $600usd markup, it's cheaper than anything you could buy here (not including quests)

[errant mesa]

I already regret it, dont make me regret it more

[shut lichen]

I'm not underestimating the power of our glorified monopoly money

[errant mesa]

let me find out when i bought it

[shut lichen]

step 1 of buying anything from america: have american friends.

[steep girder]

Idk. The range of that 'spectrum' i feel like is more along the lines of missing limb or hole in heart to something small enough to get noticed entire life lol.

[opal thunder]

real

[errant mesa]

I've got a friend who has a mate in the states, he buys thing for straight USD, with no import cost. down side is its by boat.

[steep girder]

Irl though either alcohol at pregnancy did or didnt cause some abnormality no?

[wispy marsh]

I spent 1350CAD on a 6800XT, three months before the market crashed and that was then the 6900XT began at 999.

[shut lichen]

why on earth would you ship things via sea

[wispy marsh]

Really unfortunate. I could've gotten a 6900XT and have 351CAD to spend on a 4TB ssd

[errant mesa]

It's a huge thing, and yeah very diffirent things with it. here is a fun stat for it. only 20% of people who have it, can live indipenditly

[wispy marsh]

[errant mesa]

no import costs

[steep girder]

But it always can potentially affect the baby. Hence the official opinion being no alcohol during pregnancy lol

[shut lichen]

things don't magically become free to import because you shipped it via sea

[errant mesa]

i spent $2500 on a 3080Ti before the price crashed....GPU died

[errant mesa]

they do when you have someone that does such from the states.

[wispy marsh]

I'll buy the $220 quest 2 this weekend

[wispy marsh]

Yeouch!

[opal thunder]

WTF my 4080 cost 1700 cad after taxes which are 12% here

[errant mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-miley-miley-cirus-tears-gif-5292592

[wispy marsh]

[opal thunder]

😭 I would def regret

[errant mesa]

the mate ships things here quite often.

[shut lichen]

I recently made a questionable financial choice
I bought a 2nd Evga 1080 ti SC Black edition for $193.50usd, total is about $466nzd including shipping and tax

[errant mesa]

as much as i regret spending $4000 on a macbook pro 16" that i then got scammed out of?

[edgy sluice]

@opal thunder should i side grade or will the 5600 be fin on the 4070 ti

[errant mesa]

Yeah, well its part of the reason I was born 11 weeks early....

[shut lichen]

you better hope they don't get done for dodging import duties

[opal thunder]

Should be fine but i would upgrade that cpu in the future

[edgy sluice]

this will be a separate pc btw i have a main but its too far from the sim

[opal thunder]

esp if you game at 1080p

[edgy sluice]

im planning to upgrade like a 5800x3d next year

[opal thunder]

perfect

[edgy sluice]

does it bottleneck?

or not noticeable?

[wispy marsh]

I wonder how the quest 2 will perform on a 6800XT

[opal thunder]

There is no thing as no bottleneck but it wont be that noticable

[errant mesa]

don't think he's that stupid

[opal thunder]

esp since you are upgrading your gpu you will probably like the fps bump

[edgy sluice]

ok thanks man

[errant mesa]

i went overkill when i bought my CPU

3900x

[shut lichen]

either he paid it for you, or he's dodging shit by falsifying item values

[steep girder]

11 weeks so about 2 months? I guess yeah thats abnormal. Are you otherwise ok now though? 😉

[errant mesa]

Yeah, was in a incubator for quite some time. and well its pernament brain damage, likely the cause of my epilepsy aswell. and the aswer is...no. life scares me, and im finding out how much it does affect me.

[errant mesa]

I don't care enough to ask, but considering it's his business. i don't think he would risk that for not paying duties.

[shut lichen]

you'd be surprised

[errant mesa]

don't ask don't tell

[shut lichen]

we wouldn't have the SFO if people were smart

[errant mesa]

True.....

[steep girder]

Oh was gonna say ive heard of epilepsy being linked to that as result. Dang man sorry to hear it. Regardless, way I like to see it is youve got internet and some silocon connected to it. I assume food and water because were all alive here lol (unless some of us are bots tbh )

[pallid wyvern]

Someone send me a good cpu for 200 uwu

[errant mesa]

Okay i found out when i bought the VIve Pro.... March last year.....

[pallid wyvern]

@shut lichen I’m looking at u

[shut lichen]

how many times do you have to be told?

[wispy marsh]

How does vr perform on a 6800xt?

[errant mesa]

Yeah, thats what the neurologist said. and thanks. yeah. im adopted, but as well. learn adulthood. its how i see the damage....23

[shut lichen]

there's not even been enough time for you to finish the video I sent @pallid wyvern

[errant mesa]

i've got an old gaming laptop, i took apart, got a 3050Ti on it, ill ship you the Mobo

[steep girder]

Just out of interest actually... do you drive? Are you allowed to have a license? Because I knew somebody with a form of epilepsy but all my friends couldnt believe he drove a car. Tbh we didn't know for the longest time until he had a seizure

But irl it's no prob right? If you have a certain type maybe where theres always an 'aura' ahead of the seizure somebody explained to me.

[errant mesa]

Recently allowd to drive. but I had a major seizure... in 2018. and legally not allowed to drive for 2 years after last seizure. but we couldn't find the cause since the EEG's were all negative. so every annual check up the neurologsit told me no, untill december last year

[wispy marsh]

Woah

Epilepsy sounds terrible because of all the random lights in traffic

[steep girder]

Lol shouldnt have told them about your seizure. Idk kidding I guess

[errant mesa]

3 types i have, focal, tonic clonic, and sleep. havent had the first two in a couple years

[errant mesa]

problem was i hadn't gotten my learners at the time. so screwed me even further

[errant mesa]

yeah its terrible, the thing that was bad for me was the focal seizures.....started at about 6 years old.....thoose seizures scared me untill 2017. and from what i understand the photo sensitive epilepsy is less then 1% of people with epilepsy

[steep girder]

I mean I know theres a whole range of different types altogether. I knew a girl who had it since birth and they were photoepileptic seizures. So I remember school bus drove by a tree line with the sun completely clear and head on to her window

[wispy marsh]

So you can't take photos that need flash?

[errant mesa]

i dont have photo sensitive epilepsy, i believe i have temporal lobe epilepsy

the triggers for me, ranged from video games, memories, music

and smells

[wispy marsh]

Memories?

[steep girder]

I guess she looked at it when the sun flickered behind trees and immediately got seizure like that. I mean idk for driving unless you could somehow make sure to avoid those things

[idle nymph]

I have a 6800 but honestly really good tbh

[wispy marsh]

I know of people who have their cptsd triggered by memories, smell and stuff

[wispy marsh]

Alright then I'm getting the Quest 2

[errant mesa]

for example....Speed Racer 2008,

[errant mesa]

yeah, well the worry was that i'd have a focal seizure and just drift and crash so

[errant mesa]

Oh, its interesting to say the least...made me question reality quite a lot....

[indigo plume]

why is there no 64 gb version for oled steam deck

[errant mesa]

Random memories, that then become "tainted" with the memory of having the seizure aswell, speed racer 2008 film is one of them...

[shut lichen]

because storage cost is negligable compared to the rest of the system cost anyway

[indigo plume]

wdym the 64 gb was much cheaper

[errant mesa]

I bought the vive pro march last year. 1600

[shut lichen]

do you really think they made money on that at all? no.

[indigo plume]

like the 64 gb was like 450 cad the 512gb was like 650

pretty big difference

u dont even need 512 gb if u have sd cards

they just making ppl spend more money on storage

[shut lichen]

they really need to teach basic economics in schools more...

[indigo plume]

scummy fks

only care about money like everyone else

[errant mesa]

more? at all! - never got it growing up

[errant mesa]

valve are a lot better then most

[shut lichen]

I guarnatee you, they're still losing money on every unit sold

[indigo plume]

better than garbage aint a big improvment

[shut lichen]

go be a yapper elsewhere

[indigo plume]

every console is

[errant mesa]

okay fine, valve are better then everyone else

[steep girder]

Idk driving is overrated anyways. If you stay off the roads, youre insanely less likely to be injured. Theres a way to look at it as a plus I guess. But it applies to pedestrians as well. You literally have to stay off roads idk

[shut lichen]

cOmPaNy bAd bEcAuSe tHeY wAnT tO lOsE lEsS mOnEy!!!!!1111!!!!11!!!

[indigo plume]

valve has monoploy

[errant mesa]

yeah, but im working on it atm, as i need the independance, to go where i want, to get a job, haven't had a job for a couple months, people usually just reject my application based on the fact i don't have a license

[wispy marsh]

I see. I hope those will eventually go away.

[steep girder]

I cant count how many times somebody literally almost killed me on road if it werent for my own reflexes. And purely by whim. Like they cut me off or something else dumb just to go faster since theyre agitated

[errant mesa]

me too, the thing now is the meds, im on 150mg twice a day....for the rest of my life.

[indigo plume]

I miss when games were just physical copies not tied down to internet stores

[shut lichen]

valve is not a monopoly. there are multiple other platforms that aren't steam... they just happen to be shit, so no one likes them

[errant mesa]

yeah it's definetly scary.

and its not like they tried to make a monopoly, they proposed the idea to multiple people and was rejected so they did it themselves.

[indigo plume]

and value populaized gambling with lootboxes

popularized

[steep girder]

You drove a couple years with epilepsy meanwhile like 12 times somebody without it nearly deaded me potentially lmfao

[indigo plume]

with the cases bs

[shut lichen]

valve was most certainly not the one to popularise that

[indigo plume]

all loot boxes should be banned

[steep girder]

Its not gambling if you cant cash back out

[errant mesa]

havent driven yet....but i have the amount of times being in the car with family and almost been killed lol

[errant mesa]

sure, but that's not on valve, if everyone else does it. everyone is at fault.

[indigo plume]

wdym its not on valve\

then openly thing its okay to having gambling in there games

[steep girder]

Valve was among geniuses... wait... let's keep the rng crates, hats, trading cards and even money only we make the money perma sink into... our platform

[indigo plume]

its scummy af

[steep girder]

Insert a much needed gabe newell smily wearing a crown with dollar signs for eyes

[errant mesa]

incorrect, by definition. there are multiple other platforms out there....people choose steam because its better. and the others are not. they dont control anything or posses the control of anything.

[indigo plume]

anyone who has paid lootboxes in there games loses my respect

I miss when it was u just bought the game and didnt have games tied to a online shop

[steep girder]

Idk seriously though its a slippery slope. I meam whats to stop me from saying like chaos scrolling 30% a helmet in maple story is gambling

[errant mesa]

it's not on valve lol, no one had to copy it. no one had to do anything. that'

[indigo plume]

so if its not on valve whos it on then lmao

[errant mesa]

yeah, lootboxes etc. are bad. and should be banned and considered legally to be gambling

[indigo plume]

they have gambling in cs mate

like if they cared they would have removed it

[steep girder]

You could have gotten item pay to win for real money ultimately and you like boost its stats or destroy it based on rng

[indigo plume]

but no they just like other corps who only care about milking their fan base

[errant mesa]

each company, perhapes the law aswell. for allowing it. its not exactly a new concept. yeah valve put it in gaming (dont know for sure if they did it first)

[steep girder]

They had gambling in pirates mmo. Actual poker and you could also cheat and maybe get caught lol

[errant mesa]

that's not how that works....

[shut lichen]

the stuff in CS is all cosmetics... you never have to interact with any of it to play the game. you never have to spend a single cent on CS to enjoy it

[errant mesa]

what's milking about it? is newman at your PC forcing you to buy crates?

[errant mesa]

exactly

[indigo plume]

they made 40 million dollars in the first 40 mins of cs2 launch

[errant mesa]

that's great

[indigo plume]

off of cases

its cringe

[steep girder]

I mean it was all fake money but i can see how its not good just to be portrayed to someone who is struggling with gambling probs

[shut lichen]

let the idiots spend money on the cosmetics. it prints money for valve to do other cool stuff, like develop hardware

[errant mesa]

that number is irelevent

[indigo plume]

loot boxes should be illegal

[errant mesa]

yes they should be, but valve don't write laws....

[indigo plume]

its gambling

[errant mesa]

its up to goverments to do something about it

[indigo plume]

that isnt relegated

[errant mesa]

correct

[indigo plume]

and scummy

[errant mesa]

yep

[indigo plume]

but ppl defend valve cuz mfs think they cant do anything wrong

[errant mesa]

can i have some examples of wrong

you can defend something that has done something wrong? aswell as right

[indigo plume]

I misss days when there were no online stores and it was just physical games

[wispy marsh]

Valve discontinued steam controller

That is one way they're wrong

[errant mesa]

yeah, they then sold off the remaing stock at $5

[indigo plume]

releaseing cs2 in terrible stake and deleteing csgo

[wispy marsh]

I want another one so bad but the rb/lb was terrible

[indigo plume]

cs2 is unplayable

in terrible state

[opal thunder]

Gusts of 91km is grazy

[steep girder]

Well some of those people are called 'shopaholics' or 'impulse buyers'. Just like any addiction, they are hooked on a rush they get from clicking buy

It's also considered to be a real addiction pretty sure.

[indigo plume]

cases pray on those type of ppl

[errant mesa]

yep, which is why goverment needs to come in.

[shut lichen]

then they need help.

[indigo plume]

goverments dont care about video games

most are out of touch boomers

who havent played video games in like 30 years

[errant mesa]

then it doesn't matter, then it isn't gambling, and you can't blame the corps, does it make it/them shitty? yes, but it doesn't matter if nothing is done about it.

[indigo plume]

wdym it isnt gambling

what is the copuim

[errant mesa]

legally.

[indigo plume]

just cuz goverments officals dont pay attention to it dont make it okay

[steep girder]

As for government regulation, where I'm at cigarettes have been long hidden from display. Recently they even banned like flavors and pictures off packs lol. Even the brand name and background is gov regulated same font on brown backdrop. No tobaccos advertisements anywhere. They also tax the sht out of it. Its actually insane. Theyve been raising tax for a while now to the point where now anybody who doesnt smoke would even imagine spending that money... and yet people still smoke

[indigo plume]

every game is just gunna be filled with micro trasactions

for now on

nothing stopping it

[errant mesa]

correct, but it also means its allowed, and nothing can be done otherwise.

[indigo plume]

devs dont need to make good games to make money anymore

they hsut make loot boxes and make millions

[errant mesa]

NZ is passing something that i believe current 14? year olds will never be allowed to buy them

[steep girder]

Microtransactions tbh gonna look like memories of a beautiful dream if face id for age verification comes in lmfao

[errant mesa]

they have ruined gaming, but by greed. valve always had it, people shouldn'r

[indigo plume]

ppl aint gunna agree to face id mate

[errant mesa]

especiallyy people that have an addiction, but the amount of games they have made it the forefront of the game

[errant mesa]

if it was legal, they wouldn't have a choice. depending on how it was done.

[vapid cypress]

In our country they banned advertising alcohol on TV then all the companies started making 0 alcohol drinks and this somehow created this loophole to still advertise alcohol because when they go to the store they will buy the alcoholic version. Also for some reason gambling ads are still a thing on TV

[indigo plume]

or just do it the way south korea does it

uses ur social insurance number

[shut lichen]

if you think that, that just shows that you don't play many games.... there are PLENTY that don't have anything at all.

[indigo plume]

for now they dont

its legit basicly just indie titles

[steep girder]

I mean 14 is def bad. Like a lot of people smoking before 25ish is additionally bad because theyre still developing physically idk

[indigo plume]

any online game is filled with micro trasactions

[wispy marsh]

Law here's 18

[errant mesa]

as in when they are 18 or what ever, they will not be old enough, the age required to smoke will rise with their age. so people of age now can still smoke, but younger never will

[wispy marsh]

21 for alcohol

[errant mesa]

murica?

[indigo plume]

18 for alcohol here

[wispy marsh]

Singapore

[steep girder]

But after that smoking in general is still pretty harmful lol. Cigarettes have heavy metals among many other things. Heaviest metal found in cigarettes is like depleted uraniun or plutonium lmfao

[opal thunder]

19 here

[errant mesa]

oh okay, didn't know that. nz is 18

[wispy marsh]

I like heavy metal

[shut lichen]

you've misunderstood.
the people currently 14 will never be able to buy them. Never.
the minimum required age is still 18 currently

[wispy marsh]

Sad but true

[indigo plume]

ppl will get them if they want them

[wispy marsh]

Isn't uranium still radioactive?

[errant mesa]

its quite smart really, it doesn't take it from people who have it, never gives a chance to thoose who don't

[indigo plume]

like how u think mfs get weed when its illeagal

if they want it they will get it bruv

[errant mesa]

which is why its an age based thing, less likely to if they've never had them...and tbh most people just use vapes now a days anyway, higher nicotine content etc etc.

[shut lichen]

you really need to stop yapping about shit that you have no clue about

[indigo plume]

vapes are terrible

idk how ppl willingly kill them selfs smoking

[errant mesa]

yummy uranium

[steep girder]

I mean your body doesnt puns aside. Tbh that whole water crystal thing a japanese dude did proves that even the music heavy metal is different than mozart for instance... in that the ice crystals subjected to heavy metal were all asymmetric n sht. Mozart was symmetrical. Whatever that means lol

[shut lichen]

more incoherent yapping

[steep girder]

But the real bad music is synthesized especially digital vs natural instrument sound

[vapid cypress]

It's very popular amongst kids and adults I hate it 😊

[wispy marsh]

How ice freezes when exposed to different types of music

[indigo plume]

mf is unironicly saying yapping

[errant mesa]

the same reason we have functioning alcoholics....

[indigo plume]

u watch to much tiktok bruv

[errant mesa]

Vanilla Ice helps.

[wispy marsh]

Never heard of it

[shut lichen]

not at all, I'm using it because that's what mando referred to them as earlier

[errant mesa]

bruh tik tok is so bad for infomation.....

[wispy marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719761429179138138/1172836225988694067/24db6261e74bcd4e1daa04d3deee1853.jpg?ex=6561c3da&is=654f4eda&hm=2ecec1c02291760ca12231cee7f592179d802ed4a3ad3d5b1193199a4b17011a&

[errant mesa]

you've never heard of Vanilla Ice?

[indigo plume]

wtf is a mando

[wispy marsh]

Whats that

[errant mesa]

Bruh how old are you???

[shut lichen]

one of the other floatplane members here

[errant mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-ice-baby-vanilla-ice-rap-musiv-video-gif-11959717673329722264

[steep girder]

I mean its no mystery. Classical music has harmonies with some of the lowest prime ratios. The 'nice' intervals like perfect 5th, octave, p4, etc

[wispy marsh]

29, lol, it's on my profile

[indigo plume]

pharse yapping is just cringe and over used these days cuz of tiktok slange mfs

[shut lichen]

@crude jasper damo the clown apparently doesn't know who you are

[vapid cypress]

The amount of text to speech garbage there is on there that just spews nonsense is crazy one of my dormmate listen those bro doesn't even shower and he sleeps with his clothes on

[indigo plume]

social media is wost think to happen to socieity

[shut lichen]

that's what a yapper would say

[steep girder]

Literally lowest possible primality in harmony Octave is 1:2 5th is 2:3

[errant mesa]

Classical music is awesome, had a boss walk in once while i was listening to mozart....he stoped and said this is the music you slice up bodies to. and that i was weird.

[indigo plume]

Im returning this laptop

[errant mesa]

Oh lol.....well then play Ice ice baby on spotify

[indigo plume]

shits ass

[errant mesa]

What laptop is that.

[wispy marsh]

I don't have Spotify anymore

[indigo plume]

cringe tiktoker

[steep girder]

Vs metal where they use dissonance on purpose. The diminshed 5th

[errant mesa]

youtube then

[indigo plume]

legion 5 pro

[shut lichen]

never used it in my life

[indigo plume]

u sure talk like one

[steep girder]

And those actually resonate the water so...

[vapid cypress]

Youtube music is more based

[indigo plume]

youtube music is awful

[errant mesa]

Misinfomation is so bad on tiktok, but only because of how many people use it.

[vapid cypress]

In terms of price

[shut lichen]

glass houses

[indigo plume]

youtube has the worst ui

[wispy marsh]

I have YT music but I don't use it

[indigo plume]

yt music ui is terrible

[vapid cypress]

Well you better start using it

[vapid cypress]

Skill issue

[indigo plume]

yt music ui is soo messy

[wispy marsh]

Woah a rapper. Just like Beastie Boys and Hollywood Undead

[errant mesa]

i havent swapped because i have all my spotify music and playlists.....plus my family would kill me if i did....

[indigo plume]

spotify ui si way cleaner

[shut lichen]

major skill issue

[opal thunder]

Nah, Steam is messy.

[wispy marsh]

I have Apple Music for the family

[errant mesa]

his only hit lol. still great.

[steep girder]

All the good music is on regular youtube to this day

[vapid cypress]

Whatever fits you

[indigo plume]

and spotify has higher audio quality than youtube music

[vapid cypress]

Me spreading misinformation over the internet 🤭

Actually youtube does

[indigo plume]

ouTube Music's maximum streaming quality is 128kbp, while Spotify's is 160kbps

[wispy marsh]

Bestie Boys yeaaaaaaah

[steep girder]

Then you open it in mobile browser, desktop mode on, switch to new tab and turn off screen. Boom. Premium 🤫

[errant mesa]

you get an award for 10 misinfomations

[indigo plume]

youtube website does

not the app youtube music

[vapid cypress]

No u

[errant mesa]

Yeah, Eminem is my fav rapper tbh.. but i have a wide range of music, I have classical music, 50s - now all in one playlist

[errant mesa]

okay. Im the reincarnation of Steve Jobs

[indigo plume]

eminem eww

[errant mesa]

source, me

[indigo plume]

eminem hasnt made a good song in like a decade

[wispy marsh]

Nice

[steep girder]

Keep the misinformation going. That way chatgpt will still think like you lose consciousness for a split second while sneezing n sht

[vapid cypress]

Buy me an iphone

[errant mesa]

you don't know good music then

[indigo plume]

eminenm fell off so far

[errant mesa]

okay done, its next to you

[indigo plume]

he was good in like 2000s

[wispy marsh]

I listen to soothing music like game bgms, metallica and post malone

[indigo plume]

not anymore

[errant mesa]

post malones lastest album so underated

[errant mesa]

still good

[indigo plume]

cope

[wispy marsh]

Laugh it off

[indigo plume]

u just a fanboy

[lapis solstice]

Yeah, his old music were fire

[vapid cypress]

Did you just lie to me? On the internet??????

[errant mesa]

omg i looked up i have headache, now i have 4 diffirent types of brain cancer

[errant mesa]

no i didn't. stop lying

[vapid cypress]

You did 😡

[indigo plume]

im returning this legion laptop fans are loud as shit when all im doing is using discord

[errant mesa]

yes, but i still like it and think his latest stuff is awesome

[errant mesa]

nope, your lying and just want another one. - wait this is gaslighting not misinfomation

[indigo plume]

im not even using anything that should justify fans being so loud

[errant mesa]

get macbook

[indigo plume]

apple cringe

[vapid cypress]

Maybe you should've checked the reviews for loudness of fans

[lapis solstice]

Check what's using the cpu

[indigo plume]

apple over priced crap

[lapis solstice]

I'm pretty sure there's some control for fan curves

[wispy marsh]

Bios set mode to quiet

[errant mesa]

😮

[vapid cypress]

Get your facts straight Steve Jobs

[errant mesa]

what facts? i made them up

[wispy marsh]

Apple good

[errant mesa]

and thats a fact

[wispy marsh]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931960199911206945/1160803677133602816/IMG_2182.jpg?ex=655ae7ab&is=654872ab&hm=5e750783290690f5c27159dbd6253bf1fbce5bd18f18d10950cc21e9e85a4269&

[indigo plume]

apple sucks

[lapis solstice]

Yeah, but the quality of products are....

[errant mesa]

no u

[indigo plume]

apple jus has a cult following

[vapid cypress]

No sideloading booo

[wispy marsh]

Erza sucks kek

[full fossil]

Other ppl will find it good or shit

[steep girder]

Honestly eminem I can think of two movies he acted in off the top of my head. Both of them he portrayed himself and both had misinformation lmap

[errant mesa]

if they sucked they would sell as many as they do, or have a near 3 trillion market cap

[indigo plume]

apple usally just copies what other companies do and then apple fans think apple came out with something brand new

[errant mesa]

what?

[errant mesa]

?

[indigo plume]

mate 90% of the shit they add to there phone android already has

[lapis solstice]

Every cooperation has brain dead fans

[wispy marsh]

This is news since 2010. You've just woken up from a coma?

[lapis solstice]

But they do it better?

[indigo plume]

copuim

[wispy marsh]

I mean, if you want to get off on bashing something, don't bring it to a civil place like here

[wispy marsh]

I wouldn't know if you liked to bash babies or swing them around

[errant mesa]

all your doing is saying apple is shit.....without proving it

[shut lichen]

public chat has never been civil

[lapis solstice]

I mean, the M series chips were great

[indigo plume]

i guess

[steep girder]

8 mile he is main character but some ego version of himself. He wasnt as poor and ghetto apparently as he made himself out to be. Like the trailer park he refers to as salems lot he did grow up in but it was quite nice lol

[vapid cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/war-never-changes-war-fallout-soldier-run-gif-16498934

[wispy marsh]

Now, Lovense is something that you can get off on

[indigo plume]

ive never seen public chat civil

[wispy marsh]

WHO'S CAUSIN IT

[lapis solstice]

This is pretty civil

[indigo plume]

aint always be vbruv

[vapid cypress]

Me hehe

[steep girder]

Then another movie he played actually himself this time briefly in the interview

[errant mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-dog-question-mark-gif-23128484

[indigo plume]

ur the one who told me to get mac

[lapis solstice]

Yo that movie was so fine

[indigo plume]

and started apple convo

[steep girder]

Only he was into dudes and was surprised that nobody knew since he expected people to pick up on the clues he left in lyrics the entire time lol

[errant mesa]

yeah a comedy film, thats not misinfomation....

[indigo plume]

this lenovo laptop is cheeks

[errant mesa]

get a surface....

[indigo plume]

even worse

[errant mesa]

naaaahhh

i love my surface pro 4

it sits on a shelf next to my ipad

[fierce moth]

Just 3d print a laptop 😎

[timber ridge]

What laptop model is it linus has been showing off on wan show recently? The folding screen one

[errant mesa]

better yet, make it out of concrete

[steep girder]

Well yeah but imagine it turns out he actually is. Whole additional layer to it lmfao

[errant mesa]

did he ever deny it? could still be true lol

[errant mesa]

he did get thoose diamond encrusted...rings for elton john