public-chat

[vapid cypress]

Yeah people used to do surgery on awake patients

[jaunty compass]

we might have more technology but like
we're still human at the end of the day

[polar fern]

Oh that’s just how they did things they didn’t have modern anaesthetics available

[vapid cypress]

Fun

[lapis solstice]

Lobotomy

[polar fern]

They also had to be awake because they wanted to make sure that what they were doing wasn’t killing them.

[lapis solstice]

Remember Arthur had to die cause of TB

[vapid cypress]

Just blood let, it will cure all your diseases

[jaunty compass]

clear the humors

[vapid cypress]

That was real sad

[vapid cypress]

Trollface will be in history books

[polar fern]

People used to go to the mountains and the seaside, because of health reasons … what they didn’t figure out until later is that the air quality in their houses that they were living in was basically toxic

[jaunty compass]

my sister's grandkids studying memology:

[harsh quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/baguette-baguette-cat-nom-nom-french-cat-frenchy-gif-20649123

[jaunty compass]

trollface and rick astley will be in history books together

[polar fern]

Never gonna give you up

[jaunty compass]

he's no stranger to love

[lapis solstice]

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

[echo canopy]

He knows the rules and so do I

[harsh quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-breadroll-porkroll-gif-24156801

[vapid cypress]

Instead of those war cartoons people draw to depic what is happening its gonna be memes

[jaunty compass]

Shitposts are the modern political cartoons

[sonic spruce]

Bread

[vapid cypress]

Idk what those things are called I forgor

[jaunty compass]

Specially troll face and doge ones

[harsh quartz]

You mean a propaganda?

[vapid cypress]

I mean these things like idk what they called

They depict something

[harsh quartz]

Either propaganda or political cartoons, both of which have already been stated

[vapid cypress]

Yeah

But instead of that it's gonna be a trollface

[harsh quartz]

Actually swap it, political cartoons are the modern shitposts, considering how many have become memes

[vapid cypress]

I feel like memes died after 2019

Or like after 2018

At least for me

[harsh quartz]

It’s okay, you can be wrong all you like

[jaunty compass]

What we've done is entered the post post irony phase or something

[harsh quartz]

All those names are just different ways of saying depression without calling it a depression

[vapid cypress]

It all started to turn unfunny after stuff like beanos and Howard the alien

[harsh quartz]

You can’t tell me the reactive armor meme wasn’t funny

[jaunty compass]

You're the only one who remembers those two lol

[harsh quartz]

I stilll have no idea what he’s talking about and I’m not gonna google them

[vapid cypress]

I'm a certified memologist

But my license expired 4 years ago

[harsh quartz]

I will say the golden age of sharing memes died around 2017-2018 when tiktok became popular and ifunny fell into the cesspool

But there are still plenty of funny memes if you know where to look

[vapid cypress]

I never heard of it that's the funny part

[harsh quartz]

It’s a good meme

[vapid cypress]

I liked when the internet turned into just like loud + random = funny for a couple of years

You know what I'm talkin about like vineboom + laughing and a random clip of a horse flying away that type of stuff

[harsh quartz]

You say memes are bad but liked deep frying?

[vapid cypress]

I'm being sarcastic

The only deep fried meme that was somewhat funny was that boneless pizza meme

I fucking feel old now thanks a lot

Even tho I'm only turning 20 this year

[quaint venture]

turning old gang

👴

[vapid cypress]

🥹

[echo canopy]

There isn’t anything specific for memes anymore besides r/dankmemes but that’s just turned into a political cestpool as well

[eager notch]

Jesus Christ Verizon has been down for like 4 hours

[old yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[eager notch]

It just came back up

[harsh quartz]

Average Verizon L

[echo canopy]

Don’t they also use a different protocol for cellular then like everyone else?

[median idol]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-hear-me-now-verizon-guy-gif-10909293

[eager notch]

Yeah, in the 3g days

[echo canopy]

Ah

[harsh quartz]

Wait your not using 3g?

[median idol]

Who here remembers this good ol' meme?

[echo canopy]

3g no longer exists in the states AFAIK

hence anything without VOLTE being useless

[dull granite]

why is everything below LTE so slow?

or 4G

[harsh quartz]

because old

why is everything before fiber so slow?

[spice pine]

3G’s still kicking in some really rural areas, but yeah, mostly sunset

[dull granite]

wait how old is 4G

[harsh quartz]

4

[median idol]

There are even some rural areas still using dial up

[spice pine]

my neighbors are well aware

[dull granite]

2009?!?!!

[spice pine]

that tracks, yeah

[harsh quartz]

there are non-rural areas still using dial up my guy

[spice pine]

the Vita got some criticism for being 3G only when the networks were transitioning to 4G

[dull granite]

is dial-up vintage internet

or it's still lame

[harsh quartz]

no its shit internet

[eager notch]

And some rural areas with fiber

[spice pine]

a lot of rural areas have fiber but it’s dark

[eager notch]

Artisanal handcrafted internet

[harsh quartz]

thats just pigeon carriers

[eager notch]

No fiber is generally clear

[dull granite]

me when I'm in doubling every two years competition and my enemy is a number of transistors in chips

[median idol]

We used dial up all the until the late 2000s. Don't miss that shit one bit

[dull granite]

hello creamy soda

[echo canopy]

TBF you can get multi gig on residential coax. Comcast is using it as a last ditch effort

[spice pine]

i thought residential coax topped out at gigabit down

[echo canopy]

Nope

[spice pine]

weird

[harsh quartz]

i think coax caps at 5gig doesnt it?

[spice pine]

gigabit down, 30 up is common around here while they’re rolling out fiber

[echo canopy]

Depends on the quality of cabling using. There isn’t a hard limit and you end up fighting noise of interference and the capacitance of the cabling itself

Fiber actually suffers from the latter as well but you can throw in as many wavelengths as you want without much issue

[echo canopy]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/13/23916047/comcast-2gbps-internet-symmetrical-upload-docsis-4-0

[vapid cypress]

Idk why I'm listening to 1 hour of shreksohpone at 1am

[echo canopy]

cause youre special

[vapid cypress]

I'm definitely special, not in a good way

I can't leave

I'm stuck with Shrek making sweet sweet love to my ears

[eager notch]

Comcast can suck on my sweaty balls

[echo canopy]

Comcast loves you too

[vapid cypress]

Comcast best waifu

[full fossil]

yo guys, what's a good software to encrypt files

[echo canopy]

7zip with the 7z container using AES encryption

nearly everything supports it and its modern "military strength" encryption

[full fossil]

explain it to me like im 5 yr old, not good with tech

[echo canopy]

do you know how to use 7zip?

[eager notch]

Encrption-definitely_notavirus.exe

[full fossil]

is it free?

[echo canopy]

yes its free

[vapid cypress]

Ads be like: "Military grade steel 💪💪😡"

Manly steel

[eager notch]

Ransomware is also good at encrypting your files

[vapid cypress]

Bitlocker is fine too

[old yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-chris-evans-captain-america-strong-gif-13945109

[full fossil]

ok so I googled ransomware and installed the first thing that came up, but now all my files are encrypted

[vapid cypress]

Wish I could do that

[echo canopy]

> install 7zip
> right click file(s)/folder you want to encrypt
> go to 7zip
> add to archive
> select 7z as the container and use store as the compression scheme
use encryption and set the password

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1E8bAB16VM

[full fossil]

ty

[vapid cypress]

OK I'm done with shrek

[echo canopy]

DONT USE ZIP AS THE CONTAINER, zip does NOT encrypt file names or the file tree, use 7z

[vapid cypress]

It's been on the loop for over 10 minutes

[full fossil]

tysm for the help :)))

[eager notch]

WinRAR is also good for file encryption but you do have to pay for it after the trial is over

[echo canopy]

7z supremacy

[sweet osprey]

Are the lenovo yoga and flex 5i the same?

[echo canopy]

flex has a higher end display and better cpu at the cost of battery life, thats pretty much it otherwise.

current intel based ones or the i sku of both, the yogo has a 11th gen while the flex has a 12th gen "high end" cpu

the 7th gen yogo with the AMD zen2 4650u i had and it was nice but the 60fps display kinda hurt and the speakers were meh

the screen also had minor buldging at the bottom left hinge

[sweet osprey]

By meh do you mean it wasent loud or bad audio quality type of meh

[echo canopy]

they were kinda quiet and the bass was non existent

they didnt sound blown out like other laptops tho

[sweet osprey]

Ah ok ok, how about the screen? Ya know how many nits/how bright it could get?

[echo canopy]

I used it outside for school and it was serviceable if a little too reflective of the sun. I dont know the peak nits tho but i think you could find that in the spec sheet.

[sweet osprey]

Fair
Did it ever overheat or become laggy?

[echo canopy]

It throttled before it ever reached 99 or the bottom of laptop got hot. It wasnt "laggy" for the stuff i was ever doing on it. both in windows and linux

[wind pulsar]

We have 2.5 Gbit/s here =p

[sweet osprey]

:( man, i was planning to use it for minecraft

[echo canopy]

CORRECTION, i had the 6th generation yoga

[echo canopy]

the one with the 4650u could play vanilla minecraft perfectly fine. with mods like sodium it was a solid 60 FPS

Im sure the intel based ones could just as well

[sweet osprey]

Oh damn

[echo canopy]

There were multiple "thermal profiles" you can chose from in the BIOS that seemed to prefer lap usage over cpu performance and vice versa but none of the options seemed to ever do anything

[sweet osprey]

Man I sorta understand why ram is soldered onto the mobo now but cmon, they but a damn 13gen cpu and only put 8gigs of fucking ram?

Kinda stupid to even advertise the thing as a feature

[polar fern]

i dont mind air noise, so i usually crank whatever i'm using to like 75%-80% of the rpm range

on my mac pro with its monster delta fans i had them going at like 2800 rpm hehe

https://youtu.be/DVqObWoB80g

[dull granite]

the thumbnail looks like a close up shot of

a belly button

[lavish elm]

does anyone know why my spotify on desktop, both on pc and laptop just so laggy

but when on my phone it is perfectly fine

[spice pine]

spotify bad

[lavish elm]

so

what do you suggest

[spice pine]

literally any platform that pays its artists more (all of them)

[echo canopy]

Spotify has shitty DRM tho and its easy to rip songs off of it

or TIDAL

[cyan raft]

unfortunate considering spotify is only useful and worth using on desktop, where you can choose whatever song you want, and you'll barely get ads, whereas spotify mobile is an ad-filled mess that makes you have to sit through 10 other songs before you can play the one you want.

[echo canopy]

do you have hardware acceleration turned off?

[graceful burrow]

If you pay for Spotify premium you can listen to whatever you want

On mobile

Paying for it makes it actually function as it should

I don't like that and just use a hacked Spotify client lol

[echo canopy]

"want a break from the ads?"

[cyan raft]

you shouldn't have to pay for a subscription just to get pretty barebones features

[tranquil jungle]

hate when they say that

[graceful burrow]

I agree
You're preaching to the choir

[echo canopy]

man gets mad when corp loses money giving him song and they subsidize it with ads

[cyan raft]

lmao yea

[lavish elm]

i pay for spotify

[cyan raft]

cus they're shitty at business

[lavish elm]

let me try that again

spotify is so laggy clicking on the button isn't even responsive

[dreamy rose]

streaming music sucks ass having it stored locally is better

[graceful burrow]

I refuse to pay Spotify lol

[lavish elm]

not convenient for me, i like listening to new music all the time ykwim xd

[cyan raft]

Makes me wanna sail the seven seas

[echo canopy]

yeah spotify still loses money, the article worded it shittily

[dreamy rose]

aren't doing that when the connection is lost,

[cyan raft]

[hollow raft]

Say guys, should I get a pc? I currently have this https://www.lenovo.com/il/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-flex-series/IdeaPad-Flex-5-14ITL-05/p/88IPF501452?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F
with a 1165G7 intel processor with integrated iris xe with 16GB RAM and a 1TB ssd/hdd(idk for sure)...
Aside from my laptop broken, falling apart, overheating constantly, and my storage is shrinking(not from garbage I can assure you) I am not planning to play games in the future and will only probably edit stuff on premiere pro and use it for storage management... Should I buy one then?

[lavish elm]

true but i am always connected and if not the cache saves me for those few hours

[dreamy rose]

MX450? bruh you need an upgrade

[hollow raft]

Not even... I have iris xe integrated graphics

But I'm not sure if I should upgrade since I don't really plan on playing any games... just edit stuff

[dreamy rose]

Could still be worse. like my GT540M which gets beat by Intel HD Graphics 605

[hollow raft]

hmmm

[lavish elm]

editing stuff having a better gpu will help

[cyan raft]

Editors need more ram, and a larger hard drive will probably serve you well. GPU also needs an upgrade. Do you care about portability? If so, a better laptop might serve you well too.

[dreamy rose]

that's the idea every company ever has about their customers, always online, never offline unless its a natural disaster etc.

[hollow raft]

How good should it be? like what is decent?

[lavish elm]

hmmmm

dare i say, 3050 mobile will be perfect for you

[hollow raft]

Portability not really... I'll probably keep using my laptop on the road if I do buy one.

[dreamy rose]

its fucking nonsense i tell you. why am i forced to be connected to the internet to save in GTA 4?

[lavish elm]

fucking hate this app

[hollow raft]

How good of a processor should I get? is a 13100f good?

[lavish elm]

doesn't load, been waiting for like 4 years now

[hollow raft]

Mobile?

[cyan raft]

Do you have a certain budget?

[dreamy rose]

EGS?

[lavish elm]

pc

[lavish elm]

spotify 😭😭😭😭

[dreamy rose]

ah yeah equally as shit.

[hollow raft]

Would prefer under 1000$ but if necessary then 1200$ is the limit

[hollow raft]

I meant the graphics card

[lavish elm]

ohhhhh if you are looking for a new laptop yeah 3050 mobile and for pc 3060 will be good, but yeah better ram and more storage is better

[dreamy rose]

laptop graphics card

[hollow raft]

Oh ok

[sweet osprey]

Who thought it was ok to put 8gigs of ram with a 13 gen intel

[dreamy rose]

literally anyone.

8GB is the minimum,

[sweet osprey]

💀 aint no way

[lavish elm]

i think 16 should be the new minimum, the way phone storage 128/256 is the minimum

[sonic spruce]

Dell

I3-12300 + 8gbs of ram + 256 gb nvme ssd

In a dell optiplex

Bought by the state of California

[sweet osprey]

Yeah with an 11gen maybe but a late 2022 gen, thay shit will fucking bottle neck the hell out of hit

[cyan raft]

You'll need to allocate a lot of that budget to CPU, if you plan on building a pc. Intel core i7 12900k seems to be a pretty good cpu for premiere pro, according to my research. For your gpu, don't go with amd for video editing as they're still a long way to go editing-wise and productivity-wise as compared to nvidia. Maybe an RTX 4070 would be good if you can fit it in there. You'll need atleast 32gb ram, and probably choose a big hard drive or two.

[dreamy rose]

8 is still useful for lower end hardware. 16+ is for gaming and doing anything other than Web browsing

[lavish elm]

yk what hurts? having a like almost high end pc and spotify still lags like a bitch on it

[dreamy rose]

hey he did just say "13th gen intel" and no specific model.

[hollow raft]

Does that fit the budget? RTX 4070 plus a 12900k is a good combination but it seems like it'll be at least 1500$

[lavish elm]

beautiful

[sweet osprey]

I5 1335u

[dreamy rose]

waste your money on a 14900K. make intel feel like their shitty refresh is any valid.

[hollow raft]

But then I'll have an integrated gpu because all the budget will go on that

[sweet osprey]

What 💀 14 gen is already out?

[cyan raft]

Yeah i realised that, the rtx 4070 + 12900k should cost almost $900, so considering you still have to afford the case, ram, hard drives, mobo, etc., I recommend taking a few steps back. Maybe an rtx 4060 ti? And the i7 12700k is really good for premiere pro too. How much will you be editing btw?

[dreamy rose]

you didn't know?

[cyan raft]

as of a week or so ago yea

[sweet osprey]

Gah damn

[dreamy rose]

it fucking sucks.

[velvet marsh]

Another thing to look at is which codec and what resolution

[hollow raft]

Idk but pretty often

[velvet marsh]

Is it camera footage or gaming footage?

[cyan raft]

You do this for fun, or do you like do commissions or earn money from this?

[dreamy rose]

nobody should actually buy intel right now. AMD is just a much better option.

[hollow raft]

Camera footage

[velvet marsh]

Do you know which codec? And which resolution?

[hollow raft]

I take that back... sorry, I plan on making editing videos tutorials @cyan raft

[lavish elm]

oh that reminds me, what are good settings for recording game footage without it looking like the footage went through 4 world wars and it coming out all grainy and blurry

[velvet marsh]

So screen recordings? Or live camera footage?

[dreamy rose]

intel throws out sockets after 2 generations and feels that refreshes with 0 uplift and increased prices is a good idea. well i guess they wouldn't be the only one with that opinion

[hollow raft]

Screen recording

[velvet marsh]

Ahh okay. Camera footage is more of my forte. But if you don’t have a ton of experience with Premiere I’d suggest Davinci Resolve.

[cyan raft]

Ah I see, i'll rig something up on pcpartpicker and then send it for you to see if you like it, or if adjustments should be made. How important are other components like case, powersupply, motherboard, to you?

[hollow raft]

Ok

[velvet marsh]

Davinci also loves gpu. Uses it much better than premiere does

[hollow raft]

Case and other stuff not really but power supply should be Asus TUF Gaming 750G

[cyan raft]

Alrighty

[keen cedar]

guys i have sad news

ram might be dying

[cyan raft]

take it to a vet? sick rams and sheep can be easily healed by your local veterinarian

[keen cedar]

real

imma let it run at stock jdec and if it dosent crash my c die is going through the shitter

[cyan raft]

lmao but what ram is it

[keen cedar]

crappy old 32gb of 2933c16 vengance rgb pro

[cyan raft]

probably best to just get it replaced then

what problems have you been having with it?

[keen cedar]

yeah my 5600x would appreciate better ram anyways

[keen cedar]

hard crashing with memory errors and hard restarts

[cyan raft]

I see, replacement is best lol

[keen cedar]

stock no xmp is working just fine

I’ll leave it running for an hour

Just to double check I’m low on money rn

[hollow raft]

Ok

[keen cedar]

Prob just gonna have it limp around until my birthday

Still crashed wtf

[full fossil]

Ordered this so I can write away from home without the bulk of my gaming laptop... https://www.currys.co.uk/products/lenovo-tab-p11-11.5-tablet-128-gb-storm-grey-10244078.html

[keen cedar]

I’m gonna try my optiplex’s ram

[echo canopy]

What are you using to record?

[polar fern]

dude, its a ploptiplex

[cyan raft]

Maybe try squeezing as much money as you can out of your ram sticks, though doubt anyone may buy. Try running some other tests to make sure its a faulty stick and not just incompatibilities or misconfigs.

[keen cedar]

If one stick is down I’m just replacing the kit

[echo canopy]

Also its weird to see that spotify has so much issue when it runs completely fine on linux

even fucking DRM works of all things

I seem to be missing fonts tho

[polar fern]

and folks wonder why linux isnt the mainstream desktop thing

[echo canopy]

This is a DIY distro, if i was on something like linux mint this wouldnt be a issue

If i dont need it on here its not installed

[polar fern]

still tho

[echo canopy]

What?

[spice pine]

linux will never be a mainstream desktop os

[polar fern]

the bootstrap % of market that linux would need to become more common is higher than mac os's current %

the more adopters, the more effort/psuh would be to fix any issues

and the fractional nature of the linux scene makes htat pretty unlikely

[echo canopy]

Mac OS is already at a disadvantage because nothing that runs on windows runs on mac and vise versa. That is simply not the case with linux. For a LOT of things the experience is transparent on linux.

With more and more applications being electron based and abstracted away theyre even becoming native applications. Im not emulating anything rn, spotify is running nativly

[polar fern]

nothng that runs on a mac runs on a pc?

[echo canopy]

I can not run a mac EXE on windows and i cant run a windows EXE on mac.

[polar fern]

um ... firefox? office? minecraft? what you talkin bout?

[echo canopy]

I can run most windows applications on linux

[polar fern]

mac os is basically linux

[echo canopy]

its literally not. its fucking unix

if youre gonna be like that at least know what the fuck youre talking about

[polar fern]

i mean i could info dump on you what i know, but i'd rather not and sum up mac os as "basically linux"

[halcyon rapids]

breaking bad season 4 ending is awesome

I love the flower part

in his backyard

[echo canopy]

the linux kernel is unix like and is based roughly off the unix kernel from bell labs but isnt and never will be unix.

and from a more "general" experience of software development they couldnt be further apart from one another.

Any gpu related i literally have to rewrite for mac os, i dont have to for windows (from linux) as they both share similar graphics apis.

[halcyon rapids]

linux can run windows and android

[echo canopy]

android is linux.

[halcyon rapids]

exactly

so you can basically run everything you run on android

[echo canopy]

MF be pretending that the only thing seperating different OS is the fucking kernel when you can have entierly different experiences on the same fucking kernel

ignoring other important things like how the fuck do i even render a window to the screen

[halcyon rapids]

?

[supple pawn]

By using a graphics processing unit of course!

[echo canopy]

@polar fern calling mac os and linux pratically the same thing

[halcyon rapids]

isn't it?

[polar fern]

thats not what i said

[echo canopy]

its not.

[halcyon rapids]

they're based off the same thing

[echo canopy]

theyre not

[polar fern]

i said "mac os is basically linux"

[supple pawn]

A Ferrari and a Ford are both based on a 4 stroke engine.

[halcyon rapids]

Mac os is basically linux

[echo canopy]

not at all. how you go about doing most things un user space is entierly different

[halcyon rapids]

linux and mac os are based on unix

[supple pawn]

Yeah, you can put a Ford 302 in a Camry, no problem!

[echo canopy]

linux is unix like in its design but its not entierly based off of unix or even unix certified

[halcyon rapids]

i mean what's the difference in linux distributions if they're all running on linux

different distributions are like different custom runs running on a phone

they're all android but just made differently

mac os is just a distribution of unix just like how linux is one

[supple pawn]

Isn't there disparate Linuxes? Like Debian and Ubuntu?

[polar fern]

yes

[halcyon rapids]

those are still linux but distributions

like there's Linux mint

linux mint is based on ubuntu which is based on debian

[supple pawn]

I thought they used slightly different syntax for the CMD (or whatever it's called in Linux, I forgot)

Bash?

[harsh quartz]

Yum

[supple pawn]

Bread?

[halcyon rapids]

i mean

there are repositories like aur and the one of opensuse (mb I forgot the name)

[harsh quartz]

Yum is a type of package manager that some linux distos use

[supple pawn]

What's a repository?

[halcyon rapids]

big library with apps

[supple pawn]

Oh

[polar fern]

not tu be confused eith a supository

[supple pawn]

Sorry for the 100 questions, I've never played with Linux

[harsh quartz]

It’s fun to play with but it’s really impractical to daily drive unless you just really like it

[halcyon rapids]

neither have I

i only used a few distros

[echo canopy]

What window display protocol do you use (x11/wayland)?
what drivers do you use for your gpu (for reference there is 3 for amd gpus on linux, 2 for intel and 3 ish for nvidia)?.
What protocol do you use for audio (pulse and pipewire are most common but tens of them exists)?
what do you use for screen sharing (x11 has its own protocol for this but wayland implements portals and its most common to use pipewire for this)?.
What sheduler do you use for high performance applications or latency dependent applications.
What init system do you use and what service do you use for services (linux has 3 main one used but several more)?

Each one of these has to specifically be programmed for and is part of what makes porting software to different platforms a nightmare. WINE is a massive fucking project adding a translation layre for windows NT apis to run on native linux apis but is still imcomplmete due to the magnitude of options

[polar fern]

why would you ever appologize for asking questions?

[supple pawn]

Well, I've installed it exactly twice, which means I've more expensive with Linux than MacOS

[harsh quartz]

MacOS is just a bad experience

[halcyon rapids]

ok

[harsh quartz]

But isn’t macOS also Linux based?

[polar fern]

for you maybe 😉

[halcyon rapids]

?

[supple pawn]

I tried to install Linux on my desktop recently but the installer wouldn't complete and I couldn't figure out why

[polar fern]

macos uses a unix kernel called darwin

[harsh quartz]

My bad, macOS is Unix based, not linux

[halcyon rapids]

everyone has different problems

there's some guy compiling gentoo and failing a step

[polar fern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

[graceful burrow]

They're very very very very distant cousins

[echo canopy]

MacOS is based off the kernel developed for NeXT computers which itself is based off the unix kernel from bell labs. (that at some point was a microkernel which is shit for its own reasons but it a entirely different design paradyme)

linux is its own separate project that is unix inspired but is in no way actually unix or unix comparable

[halcyon rapids]

there's me failing to set timezone while installing arch because the guide is old

[supple pawn]

What I've gathered is MacOS and Linux are both based on Unix, but are diverged significantly enough so as to be completely different things?

[polar fern]

yes

[halcyon rapids]

and there's this guy who installs the most basic linux and the graphical installer doesn't work

[echo canopy]

linux was never unix. mac os was alway unix certified

[harsh quartz]

Yeah, like Linux can be good, as opposed to macOS which is exactly the opposite

[halcyon rapids]

wdym by "never Unix"

how is linux running

[supple pawn]

Can any OS actually be Unix?

[halcyon rapids]

unix is basically the thing that makes your real time clock work

[supple pawn]

I thought Unix was just, like, equivalent to the NT kernal?

[echo canopy]

the offical unix is long dead

[halcyon rapids]

it works everywhere

your digital clock is based on unix

traffic lights are based on unix

[supple pawn]

Damn autocorrect

[echo canopy]

It never adhere to the requirement to be unix. This is a actual set of guidlines mac OS kernel darwin follows.

[halcyon rapids]

literally everything

[supple pawn]

Was Windows once/is now based on Unix?

[halcyon rapids]

windows nt is a different kernel like linux

[echo canopy]

the closest thing windows ever got was the POSIX cert which was barely a implementation at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOeku3hDzrM

[halcyon rapids]

what are the numbers

[echo canopy]

kernel version number i assume

[halcyon rapids]

I once used openbsd on my pc and it ran like shit

[echo canopy]

probably a diver issue

[halcyon rapids]

my phone runs on 5.10

[harsh quartz]

Man, computer history is great and all but I’m glad I grew up just late enough to not have to worry about that stuff

[polar fern]

numbers?

[echo canopy]

Most of these were paid for or only used in the server space and you would have never touched them

[echo canopy]

notice how the line for GNU is dotted because its not a actual decedent

[halcyon rapids]

hey why don't we move this conversation to #linux ?

[harsh quartz]

Yeah, but I just mean back when everything was changing quickly and when it was, ya know, hard to run a good computer

[echo canopy]

Most of the history you hear is over the corse of decades

you could compare it to using windows 10 over windows 7 or XP

[astral viper]

🍿

[gleaming harbor]

man i missed out buying popcorn from the grocer

[harsh quartz]

I mean from the time span of it going between the first home PCs and windows xp

[astral viper]

I wish there was a fully-functional Darwin distro (that's fully opensource and not macOS)...I'd even compile it myself like Gentoo if it were available.

[echo canopy]

implying mac OS isnt fully functional

[astral viper]

There, fixed qualified my statement 😛 lol

[harsh quartz]

Tbf it’s not functioning well

[supple pawn]

MacOS functions, just poorly

[echo canopy]

yeah it still refuses to support vulkan and instead uses its own METAL api based off the rough draft for vulkan called molten

[harsh quartz]

It’s as functional as it’s designed to be, which just… isn’t that good

Let’s build one of the most power PCs you can buy and just not let you do whatever you want on it

[astral viper]

How well does Molten work as a Vulkan → Metal translation layer?

[echo canopy]

Apple purposfully made installing other OS on it possible. Theyre open to things like asahi linux. you will just never get offical support

[astral viper]

Oh, you wanted to own your own PC? Nah fam, we are letting you use our Mac. /s

[harsh quartz]

Also give us 8000$ plus 2000$ more for the screen and your not allowed to change the components in it

[echo canopy]

its only vulkan 1.2 and has to be built into the application so kinda shit

[supple pawn]

They'd make more profit if it were a monthly subscription

[harsh quartz]

Don’t give them ideas

They gonna start repossessing macs

[halcyon rapids]

can I install windows 10 on windows nt 6

[supple pawn]

Buy the new MacBook on a payment plan. It's $200/month for the first 2 years to pay for the computer, then $50/month after for your MacOS subscription.

[echo canopy]

no.

[harsh quartz]

Why not

[echo canopy]

because windows 10 released with NT 10

[harsh quartz]

Mfw 8sleep

[harsh quartz]

Yeah but live dangerously

[astral viper]

ouch. I had thought it was something you could...ya know...just install and use as a translation layer, akin to...uh, forgot the DirectX → Vulkan translation layer x.x

[echo canopy]

DXVK

[astral viper]

Yeah! That

[supple pawn]

Microsoft buys Hulu, includes it installed on every Windows OS, first 3 months of Hulu LiveTV free

[spice pine]

Hulu as a service doesn’t make a ton of sense when Disney owns it

[supple pawn]

Alright, then Microsoft just needs to buy Disney

[old yacht]

Nah i never wanna own anything, too much pressure

[astral viper]

As long as one is making an informed decision and has the choice... to each their own 🤷‍♀️ 🙂

[old yacht]

totally not stuck in the rent trap 😦

[harsh quartz]

Pressure, pushin down on me

[supple pawn]

Ice Ice baby...

[harsh quartz]

No stay out of this

[old yacht]

I love vanilla ice

[harsh quartz]

Queen is better

[supple pawn]

That is true

But annoying you with vanilla ice is even better still

[halcyon rapids]

macos is linux

[spice pine]

Eh, not really

[supple pawn]

Any case can fit any components if you own an angle grinder

[harsh quartz]

macOS is Unix

[silk island]

no, its not, its based on BSD

[harsh quartz]

Or a match 🙂

[silk island]

(Unix)

[spice pine]

Linux is not Unix

[silk island]

Unix != Linux

[supple pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-i-know-this-unix-system-gif-14433570

[echo canopy]

It is unix certified. it is unix

[spice pine]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[harsh quartz]

We literally just had a full conversation over this I’m not sure why it’s back

[echo canopy]

it does not matter what it is based off of. it is fucing unix

[harsh quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/375436621450969089/1142312437769584710/embreadfail.gif

[supple pawn]

I lack perms apparently

[silk island]

linux isn't unix certified

[echo canopy]

oh i thought you said mac os wasnt unix

im too tired for this shit

[harsh quartz]

Y’all are saying the same thing :p

[silk island]

macOS is Unix but its not Linux

[echo canopy]

yes

[harsh quartz]

Kek

[astral viper]

Confusion \o/

[silk island]

Linux is POSIX-compatible, however it is not UNIX compatible / certified

[harsh quartz]

This is why we just stick to windows, less confusion

[echo canopy]

windows isnt compatable with anything therefore i cant rage about it

welll.... not windows but the NT kernel

[silk island]

actually, windows is POSIX-compatible

[echo canopy]

@harsh quartz its not POSIX nor UNIX compat

[supple pawn]

Windows isn't compatible with Steam?

[harsh quartz]

So you can’t rage about it? I’m just missing the connection there

[halcyon rapids]

YOOOO IT WENT FROM 2:59 TO 2:00

[supple pawn]

How did this argument even start? Like, what's the purpose of the argument?

[echo canopy]

Its a virtualized enviroment and not actually NT itself

[harsh quartz]

There’s no argument

[halcyon rapids]

I JUST TRAVELED BACK IN TIME

I WENT FROM 2:59 TO 2:00

[supple pawn]

Then why not start one lol

[silk island]

The POSIX subsystem isn't emulated / virtualized

[supple pawn]

Bread and taters both starches right?

[echo canopy]

transit biker saying linux will never be a mainstream desktop because its like mac os when literally every way it fucking isnt

[harsh quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-wallace-get-breaded-gif-20574655

[silk island]

however, as of windows 8 that subsystem no longer exists

[harsh quartz]

Yeah but we all should know to ignore whatever bs they say

[silk island]

so arguably its no longer posix compliant

[supple pawn]

Here's a point of discussion. Instant mashed potatoes are superior to real mashed potatoes!

[harsh quartz]

Na imma fuck you up for that one

[silk island]

the funny thing is macOS is more mainstream on the desktop than Linux

[harsh quartz]

Yeah, apple fans are a weird bunch

[silk island]

not really, i like macOS, i like the fact that its based on UNIX

[echo canopy]

i like their phones but not their desktops

[silk island]

and its super easy for ppl to use

[harsh quartz]

I despise macOS, IOS is pretty good tho

[silk island]

....why?

[supple pawn]

Meh, Android > iPhone imo

[silk island]

yeah no

too buggy, unstable, and app reliability is hit or miss

[harsh quartz]

It’s just not right, everything is backwards and it feels slow, like I can never remember where anything is at and I have to use spotlight for everything

[supple pawn]

K... U wrong doe

[harsh quartz]

The iPhone is the only good apple product, your in the wrong on this one

[silk island]

this statement is also in the wrong lol

[astral viper]

That's because it's left...buttons on the left.......get it? 😬 lol sorry had to

[supple pawn]

Nah I'm just messing with y'all, I don't really have an opinion

[gleaming harbor]

but.... but no airdrop 🥺 🥺 🥺 /j

[harsh quartz]

Also, saying android can mean so much, like I would say that the bomb of a note 8 is not better than an iPhone

[silk island]

Macs are amazing, they have significantly high end hardware and macOS while not great for gaming, is great at pretty much everything else

[astral viper]

kdeconneeeeeeeeeeect (read this in the "bitconnect" meme lol)

[harsh quartz]

They have great hardware that is butchered by a company who won’t let users use the hardware that they pay for

[silk island]

actually macOS isn't locked down in terms of what you can do with it

[harsh quartz]

Can I game or install windows on apple silicon?

[silk island]

you can game, yes, as for windows, you could if Microsoft actually made Windows's ARM version actually fucking available for download

[supple pawn]

Can I install a 4090 in a Mac?

[silk island]

no

[harsh quartz]

Can I switch out the m.2 with another empty ssd without having apple change the serialized numbers over?

[silk island]

Apple terminated any and all contact with NVIDIA back in the macOS Mojave days

[supple pawn]

So I can use my 7900 xtx?

[silk island]

also no

[supple pawn]

Intel GPU?

[silk island]

no

why tf would Intel GPUs work on Apple Silicon Macs

[harsh quartz]

Okay, can I use the internal GPU on the m2 max/pro/ultra whatever it is, to run cyberpunk since it’s so powerful?

[silk island]

....man temper your expectations, i already said macOS is not great for gaming right now, but that is not what people buy Macs for in the first place

[harsh quartz]

No, but if I have to pay 8k for a machine, that machine should be able to do whatever the fuck I want it to do within reason

[silk island]

um

you can get an m2 mac mini for $700

[harsh quartz]

If I pay 8k for a computer I should be able to run a computer program, like a game, that I would be able to run on a 1k windows system

[silk island]

also, for something to work on Mac, people actually have to port it to macOS, which CDPR has never done

[supple pawn]

That's more than I paid for my phone!

[silk island]

they have never ported a single one of their games to either macOS OR Linux

[astral viper]

How easy is it to install packages/applications that aren't within the App Store? What are the limitations in such a scenario? Signing packages? (Genuine question)

[supple pawn]

Why would anyone bother when Windows has much more market share?

[harsh quartz]

I wonder why, linux has a small user base that doesn’t work with DRM protections and macs are locked down to where they can’t gams, why would you ever port a game over if it’s just not gonna work

[silk island]

keep in mind that over 500 million people use Macs...

[supple pawn]

An absolute number isn't useful without one as a comparison

[harsh quartz]

Okay, and apple has gone out of their way to block users from gaming on their hardware, they have admitted that they do not want the “unprofessional” look on their machines

[silk island]

okay except no they haven't, that is straight up false

[random jolt]

yeah but 500m is still a significant amount of people

[silk island]

they literally advertise gaming features on the macOS Sonoma product page

and Death Stranding, Assassin's Creed Mirage, etc are being ported to macOS which will lead to more games being ported as well

[harsh quartz]

It’s a quote I heard somewhere but no I cannot find the source now, so I concede that it might be false but I do know I heard it at one point

[silk island]

Resident Evil Village was also ported to macOS

Cyberpunk could be ported too, if CDPR cared enough to port it.

[echo canopy]

apple does not care if people game on their computers. The issue is they have their own graphics api you HAVE to program for because there is no other option.

[silk island]

technically, no

macOS supports Vulkan, albeit unofficially, through the use of MoltenVK

https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK

[echo canopy]

moltenVK is a translation layre not actual vulkan support that has issues, only supports up to vulkan 1.2 and has to be built into the application

so yes, you have to use metal or opengl on macs

[brave lava]

RIP Mat Perry ☹️

[silk island]

false

it supports Vulkan 1.3

man how far behind are you in terms of knowing about this stuff lol

[silk island]

OpenGL is deprecated on macOS and has been for years.

[echo canopy]

they need to update their git then

[silk island]

https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK/releases/tag/v1.2.6

[echo canopy]

bassically all platforms lol

[silk island]

nah, nvidia still releases new extensions for it on top of the base opengl 4.6

i think amd does as well

[echo canopy]

it supports it but performance can be questionable

[silk island]

but macos's opengl implementation has been stuck at OpenGL 4.1 for ages

[dusky jacinth]

They're deprecated by support, just not by all the people that would use it, which unless you just tolerate DirectX or something, it would be most people including those getting into programming.

[full fossil]

Imagine not having a 256gb phone

[dusky jacinth]

Not like a beginner would be recommended to start out learning Vulkan first or anything. Lmao.

[silk island]

however the only game that still uses OpenGL today is Minecraft, even though they could very easily port it to Vulkan

[supple pawn]

I just prefer my Windows machines cause I know I can run pretty well any program or any hardware that will physically fit in the system.

[dusky jacinth]

Doesn't make sense to.

[echo canopy]

performance reasons. opengl performs just worse on most gpus

[silk island]

actually not true

in some cases vulkan can perform worse than OpenGL depending on implementation

[dusky jacinth]

And very easily only applies to Mojang, not the massive majority of the modding community who proved otherwise.

[echo canopy]

inb4 its actually cpu overhead

point is vulkan is lighter and has a higher performance ceiling

[silk island]

vulkan isn't lighter...it requires much more work to implement

[echo canopy]

overhead wise.

[silk island]

and in some cases a vulkan implementation can perform worse than if they just used OpenGL / DirectX / Metal

[echo canopy]

yes i know it depends on the developer skill level

[supple pawn]

Is it true that Xbox is called Xbox because it used DirectX?

[echo canopy]

this is microsoft were talking about

[echo canopy]

yes its literally a direct X box

[silk island]

microsoft doesn't implement the opengl or directx drivers

amd and nvidia along with intel do

[echo canopy]

oh you mean gpu driver side?

[dusky jacinth]

Minecraft in itself (namely Java) just requires them to actually use a more up-to-date OpenGL implementation, with some optimizations in order to fix their performance problems.
I mean that's really what the modding community has even done so far and the uplift is immense as a result.

[silk island]

a vulkan renderer mod exists for Minecraft as well

[supple pawn]

So how long until Intel dethroned Nvidea in the discrete GPU market?

[silk island]

not for a long time until people get off their NVIDIA high horse

[supple pawn]

I mean, amd already a better value to performance option

[astral viper]

I still remember Jedi Outcast being opensourced (minus the assets, of course)

that uses OpenGL :3

[silk island]

sure but ppl still almost exclusively go with NVIDIA in most regions

[echo canopy]

cause cuda

[dusky jacinth]

Yes, and meanwhile with said vulkan mod (which I have used myself), it breaks the game very easily if you try to also load it with literally any mod at all into the same folder.
Some managed to get around that, but not everyone can and it's weird trying to figure out what does or doesn't crash the game immediately upon loading.

[silk island]

thats not why

[silk island]

yes, they literally say its gonna break compatibility with any mod that makes OpenGL calls

[echo canopy]

cuda + tensor is the main reason ive seen people here and on other sites get nvidia even when AMD is better at raw raster performance

[silk island]

its a proof of concept more than anything

[supple pawn]

It's because Nvidea's marketing isn't ass like amd marketing is?

[silk island]

the real reason is because nvidia is dominant in laptops

thats the real reason, most people buy laptops, not desktops

[dusky jacinth]

And because that's most mods that exists, it's... Pretty much the active proof for why Mojang moving to Vulkan would actually just be a massive pile of headaches.

[silk island]

not like mojang hasn't gone and broke mods before

they've done that pretty much every update

they don't officially support mods

they never have

[dusky jacinth]

Okay, but we're talking Java version, not Bedrock too.
They might not have, but the community made-do anyway.

[supple pawn]

I've noticed this. It's hard to find any amd GPU laptops. I've read its because they struggle to supply laptop chips?

[silk island]

i'm literally talking about the Java version

they have broke mods with every single update for the Java Edition

the only mods that don't typically break, are mods that use Fabric and even then those mods sometimes break as well

[dusky jacinth]

And the community still managed to get over that hurdles because it's not much to do so, since the main game doesn't change a ton every update.

[silk island]

but i believe that Mojang would be better off ditching OpenGL

due to its lack of maintenance

[dusky jacinth]

I personally don't see it after reading through the whole debacle for it, especially after the realization that they really were just... Using Java's base implementation for OGL, which was an outdated version anyway.

[silk island]

they don't use java's base implementation

[dusky jacinth]

All the performance mods like Sodium solved that issue by just literally updating the rendering engine to the latest and optimizing around that.

[silk island]

they use LWJGL

they've always used LWJGL

also what java doesn't even natively support OpenGL without a library 😂

[echo canopy]

yeah wtf are you talking about lol

[silk island]

and maintenance != performance problems

OpenGL isn't maintained anymore by Khronos, they replaced it with Vulkan

and even then Minecraft doesn't really have performance problems, most GPUs out today and readily available can play Minecraft at 60fps, even GPUs included with modern Intel & AMD CPUs

[echo canopy]

yeah its cpu and garbage collection

[dusky jacinth]

Yes, I'm aware of that.

[echo canopy]

which sodium mostly fixes.

[silk island]

arguably you only need sodium if you have low end hardware

or use shaders

[echo canopy]

even on a 7700x i get microstutters in MC without sodium that are painful

[dusky jacinth]

Excuse me- what now?

[silk island]

i tested Minecraft on my 13700K's integrated UHD 770, it runs minecraft at a solid 60 😂

[echo canopy]

even on my 4650u it ran fine

[silk island]

and with MC 1.20 they completely revamped and optimized the lighting engine with inspiration from the Starlight mod

[dusky jacinth]

That's not every rig, dude.
Also solid 60 is if you run single player only with most of the world loaded in and then depends on which version you run anyway.

[silk island]

i got 60fps on my Core i5 4200M as well...

Minecraft isn't hard to run

[polar fern]

Is this decent ram? https://a.co/d/231jSzL

[dusky jacinth]

I learned about that and I was like "wow, that took a while to fix I guess. Lol."

[silk island]

Minecraft is also written in Java which is like the worst programming language to write games in along w/ Python

[polar fern]

Web java games, miss those.

[dusky jacinth]

It's not hard to run, IF you just want to run it period.
If you want it to run well on the other hand, then you may want to use performance mods for that.

[silk island]

Minecraft is still only single-threaded as well

mojang has never optimized the game to use more than one core, and sodium doesn't change that either

[dusky jacinth]

Because from all I've heard so far, people even with high end rigs have a hard time running Minecraft Java well on their systems.

[silk island]

ok except thats bullshit lol

[echo canopy]

its multithreaded. has been for a while and thats not just the javaruntime running in parallel. I think even some things related to chunk loading is parallel now

[polar fern]

Imagine Minecraft running multi-thread. Would evaporate server lag issues.

[silk island]

its not multicore optimized.

[dusky jacinth]

For most of it. Some of it is multithreaded, but very limited and only for less taxing tasks outside of world generation.

[silk island]

even though java supports multicore systems, mojang doesn't take advantage of it and has never actually optimized MC for multi-core systems aside from chunk generation / loading

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, they made chunk loading run in a separate thread, though it doesn't stop it from feeling pretty heavy at times.

[sonic spruce]

Sounds amazing

[silk island]

also anyone can use these command line arguments and help minecraft's performance without sodium:

-XX:+UseG1GC -Dsun.rmi.dgc.server.gcInterval=2147483646 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:G1NewSizePercent=20 -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=50 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=32M

[dusky jacinth]

Well, the Folia project proved this to be the case, though the catch is:

• It only makes sense for large servers with a playerbase above the maximum limit of a standard server.
• If you're running vanilla only as it breaks most plugins, so only SMPs, anarchy, skyblock, and such types of servers could actually stand to benefit really.
• It's also mostly multi-core optimized of a PaperMC fork and works best the more physical cpu cores it has to work with.

[polar fern]

Mhm

Paper seems the better server implementation

[silk island]

(however sodium does still SIGNIFICANTLY improve Minecraft's overall performance in terms of higher framerates)

like sodium is allowing mc to get over 4500fps now staring at a heavy area on my 7900 XTX

[ocean terrace]

Yoo, how we doin

[silk island]

24 threads go brr

[hollow raft]

is a m.2 good for editing?

[silk island]

yes lol

[lilac bear]

same for Java
like are you new to Minecraft modding Mojang allows mods but doesn't support them
and every update requires the mod to essentially be rechecked and sometimes rewritten entirely

[gleaming harbor]

it's an ssd what do you expect

[hollow raft]

What about a regular ssd?

[gleaming harbor]

sata

[silk island]

ehhhhh

[manic torrent]

That isn't a sensible question

[silk island]

sata is past its prime

[hollow raft]

Oh ok

[sonic spruce]

Very fast

But if you need lots of storage, get hdd

[hollow raft]

Because I was planning to buy one m.2 and one sata but now I'll buy 2 m.2 1TB

[silk island]

ehhhh even 2tb m.2 ssds are affordable now

[gleaming harbor]

make fun of me and bully me but im using sata hdd in 2023
and using a hand-me-down pc from my dad

[sonic spruce]

How much is cheapest?

[manic torrent]

Why would you not get one 2tb and have a slot for expansion

[supple pawn]

Imagine being one of the people programming the Apollo program for NASA on punch cards

[lilac bear]

only applies if you need like 24TB

[dusky jacinth]

That's what it does for me, not neccessarily in the thousands, but it really gets me to around 300 or so, even allows me to average 112 with Complementary shaders via Iris.

[hollow raft]

I'm getting 1TB hdd and 2 m.2 1TB

[manic torrent]

Or one of the people knitting the memory cores?

[sonic spruce]

$50 4tbs

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sDK2FT/toshiba-mg04aca400n-4-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg04aca400n

[sonic spruce]

Nice

[supple pawn]

I'll knit your cores

[manic torrent]

Yes, and it's a bad idea

[silk island]

ew no

[manic torrent]

You wouldn't know where to start

[dusky jacinth]

Aaasss someone who lived on handmedown hardware, I don't feel anything from this. Lol.

[silk island]

guaranteed those HDDs have like zero cache

[lilac bear]

that will be slow as hell

[silk island]

well, 128mb but still less than other HDDs

[manic torrent]

Yes, but we are talking about buying disks. Not using them.

[dusky jacinth]

Well no, they have caches, but compared to what's on most ssds these days, they are... Very small.

[silk island]

https://www.newegg.com/black-wd4005fzbx-4tb/p/234-000G-000W6 more expensive but better built and has a higher cache at 256MB

still shitty though

i'd rather save up and just get a 4tb m.2 ssd

[polar fern]

I’m planning to do video editing & I have a 1 tb project drive separate from the boot drive

[manic torrent]

Also i haven't used a PC or laptop without a primary SSD for well over a decade, so anything that isn't crap tier even hand me down should have a boot ssd.

[lilac bear]

tbf thats like three times the cost

[silk island]

yes but its also not a shitty toshiba

iirc toshiba hdds are not known for their reliability

[sonic spruce]

Why?

[lilac bear]

not wronggg but the point was most data per dollar

[silk island]

poor cache, not that reliable of a brand

and its an HDD

[hollow raft]

you're right but If I'll need more than 3TB then I'll buy a sata one or a hdd or just swap one of the m.2 for a better one. also 2 1TB's are cheaper than 1 2TB and also the rate of both of them failing is smaller than if I had 1 m.2

[sonic spruce]

So?

[silk island]

so SATA is dead

[sonic spruce]

I have 2 tb hdd seagate barracuda in my pc

[sonic spruce]

I also have 512 gb silicon power a55 ssd

[silk island]

okay and i too have a 2tb HDD in my PC along with 2 m.2 SSDs

[dusky jacinth]

The first two I'd buy, but the last one's a weak reason for somebody who is actively set on getting an hdd. Lol.

[sonic spruce]

1 m.2, 1 sata ssd, 1 hdd

[manic torrent]

Because it's noisy, slow, unreliable, large, heavy, obsolete

[silk island]

and i hate how HDDs spin down and then have to spin back up when they're idle for a while

[polar fern]

Mhm https://a.co/d/iRljsuc

[sonic spruce]

Noisy, not really, the rest I mean yeah

[lilac bear]

yeah the SSD snappiness is nice

[manic torrent]

Yes, really.

[silk island]

my hdd makes a noise whenever it spins up

[sonic spruce]

But I need the storage, and it was from my old pc

[silk island]

and its annoying

[sonic spruce]

Really, weird. Mine doesn’t

[dusky jacinth]

If you use laptop hdds, they're relatively quiet compared to standard 3.5".

[lilac bear]

do you have your server in a different room? lmao

[silk island]

mine is a laptop hdd

[sonic spruce]

Main pc, under my desk

[dusky jacinth]

But they are also stupid slow compared to more desktop oriented hdds, so...

[lilac bear]

strange

[hollow raft]

Actually @manic torrent the 2TB one costs 1 dollar more but I'm not sure if I can risk drive failture... like 2 is a lesser chance that it'll fail...

[silk island]

its an HDD from a seagate external drive enclosure that i brutally murdered

[manic torrent]

Yeah see, you're missing the point entirely. "It was from my old PC". Once again we are talking about buying

[sonic spruce]

Oh ok

I mean, I might buy one

[lilac bear]

at that point you'd want to be making back ups anyway

[sonic spruce]

Tbh, I just use it for roms and movies and photos

[manic torrent]

Honestly that is a ridiculous difference. If you don't want to lose your data, back it up.

[silk island]

bruh that's a stupid reason, drives will always fail regardless of how many you have

[sonic spruce]

And external storage

[silk island]

even hard drives fail

hard drives are actually notorious for failing at some point or another due to their use of mechanical components

[dusky jacinth]

Dude, you need to consider backup storage if you're worried about drive failure.

[hollow raft]

Ik that's why I'm gonna dump all my junk there

[sonic spruce]

All drives fail

It’s just a matter of when

So external hdd is bad idea or no?

[hollow raft]

Ok then I'll buy the 2TB one

[silk island]

also...ssds tend to last for like tens of years

[dusky jacinth]

External is fine.

[lilac bear]

external is just HDD with USB instead of SATA

[sonic spruce]

Depends on quality

[dusky jacinth]

Internal, keep it as ssd.

[manic torrent]

An external spinning HDD as a backup, yeah fine.

It's shitty, but meh

[silk island]

i wouldn't recommend an external HDD at all tbh

[manic torrent]

Much better off using backblaze or equivalent

[sonic spruce]

Ok, cuz I have 1 x 5 tb for $65 usd, 2 x 2tb for $20 to $25 usd each

[silk island]

i'd rather get an external ssd

[dusky jacinth]

Hey, better than nothin', or at least better than sd cards. Lol.

[harsh quartz]

External SSDs have gotten so cheap it’s not worth buying the external HDDs anymore

[sonic spruce]

You’re opinion has been noted

[hollow raft]

thing is... I have a backup for the backup and for that backup I also have a backup

[manic torrent]

Hence meh 🙂

[polar fern]

You’re?

[silk island]

lmao

[lilac bear]

you are

[supple pawn]

Your

[sonic spruce]

I’m using 2 tb for Wii, 2tb for Wii U, 5tb for pc

[silk island]

English isn't their first language probably

[manic torrent]

Good, because that's what you need 🙂

[polar fern]

You are opinion

[harsh quartz]

Ssd or hdd?

[sonic spruce]

Yes and no

[polar fern]

Doesn’t matter. Still funny.

[sonic spruce]

Hdd for all

[hollow raft]

Yeah.... I am only using the hdd for my backup of my backup of my other backup.

[silk island]

although even then, people who learn english as their first language can still suck ass at actually writing it proficiently

[supple pawn]

Your funny

[polar fern]

My funny

[sonic spruce]

I learn 2 languages at once when I was kid

[polar fern]

Ye

[silk island]

lmao

[silk island]

learned*

[sonic spruce]

So I’m at an intermediate level with my English

[supple pawn]

Learnt

[harsh quartz]

Tbf the Wii and Wii U don’t need very fast speeds, they ran off of disks anyways, but SSDs are so cheap right now, IMO it’s not worth buying Hdds atm

[polar fern]

-hides my funny in a place-

[silk island]

learnt and learned are the same

[lilac bear]

writing is different from speaking yes

[sonic spruce]

Wouldn’t it be learn if I’m still learning English?

[polar fern]

Turnt

[chrome vector]

I think it's bad.

[silk island]

Not in that sentence structure, no.

[dusky jacinth]

Another case of consoles using ehdds, eh?
Okay, I've approached that topic before and it... Really doesn't matter what you use with those, as the difference in performance is going to be virtually the same (USB controller and bus limitations basically), so that should work just fine.

[sonic spruce]

This was before ssds was cheap

[lilac bear]

did people forget that writing used to be a skill

[silk island]

writing still is a skill

[dusky jacinth]

[harsh quartz]

Yeah ik, that’s why I said it was fair the the Wii and Wii U, and why I specified the ATM thing

[sonic spruce]

My bad

[supple pawn]

No, because you specified a time period (when you were a kid) which occurred in the past, which needs the past tense learned or learnt

[dusky jacinth]

Their internal storage was also pretty slow too, despite being solid state.

[silk island]

people have run mac os 9 on the wii; pretty cool tbh

because the wii is powerpc-based

[harsh quartz]

Downgrade tbh

[polar fern]

Passed passed, past, past

[harsh quartz]

Cause you font get the Wii music if you install macos

[polar fern]

Too two too

[silk island]

i don't like the wii music anyways

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, modding scene for 7th gen has been pretty cool so far.

[harsh quartz]

Yeah this is a bad take ngl

[polar fern]

From form forum

[silk island]

its an opinion

[harsh quartz]

Yes, and my opinion is that it’s a bad take

[dusky jacinth]

Meh, I'd be indifferent to that. Wii Music wasn't my fave game on Wii really.

[sonic spruce]

This was like 3 years ago

[silk island]

they're talking about the music that plays on the Wii Dashboard

[sonic spruce]

Emmc memory

[harsh quartz]

And the Wii shop, mii plaza music

[sonic spruce]

For all Nintendo consoles with internal storage

[hollow raft]

say I don't have to buy a 144hz monitor if I'm not planning to game right? like I'm gonna do editing mostly so I'll buy a 100hz one to give more budget for the PC itself.....

[silk island]

and i don't care about any of that

[supple pawn]

I wish I had passed my driving test, but I passed a school bus with its sign on, while thinking on my past indiscretions.

[silk island]

i don't really like console music

[lilac bear]

have you seen Hollywood movies lately
idk about that

[harsh quartz]

I’m aware, I’m clarifying

[sonic spruce]

Wii, DSi, 3ds, n3ds, Wii U, switch all use emmc memory

[silk island]

the ps5's music is fine though

[sonic spruce]

Does psp use emmc or just the memory card?

[harsh quartz]

I wanna run an 3ds on an m.2

[sonic spruce]

M.w?

[chrome vector]

Peter Parker precariously predicted he'd partially pick a peck of pickled peppers.

[silk island]

no i haven't lol the last movie i saw was barbie over a month ago

[sonic spruce]

Oh, use emulator then @harsh quartz

[harsh quartz]

Autocorrect is kicking my ass tonight

[dusky jacinth]

For the Wii U, yeah. For the OG Wii, it's... Actually not clear which standard of NAND flash they were using for it.

[lilac bear]

not a terrible idea
144hz is just nice to have if not gaming, makes everything smooth

[sonic spruce]

I’m assuming based on the size it’s emmc/sd card

[harsh quartz]

Not that, I mean I want to run like 3ds hardware on an m.2, not just emulate the hardware

[silk island]

im not sure you can do that.

[sonic spruce]

Oh ok

[silk island]

3ds doesn't support m.2

[sonic spruce]

Impossible

[harsh quartz]

Probably not, that’s why I havent, still wanna do it

[sonic spruce]

What Evelyn said

Unless you can make microsd to nvme, it’s not possible

Also not worth it

[supple pawn]

Are there any cool mods you can do to a Sega Dreamcast?

[harsh quartz]

I’m aware it’s not probable, doesn’t mean I don’t want to do it

[sonic spruce]

Yes

[graceful burrow]

it'd be easier to get an m.2 fpga prototype board and emulate the cpu and gpu in that

[sonic spruce]

Ide mod to use sd card instead of optical drive

[silk island]

you literally can't though so there's no point to even wanting to do it

[sonic spruce]

There’s also a special cd that lets you play games from sd card

There’s also emulators

[lilac bear]

cd what

[harsh quartz]

People wanna have a good life when they can’t but they still dream, just cause something isn’t probable doesn’t mean I can’t want it

[sonic spruce]

Dreamshell

If you’re interested in emulators on Dreamcast dm me

[graceful burrow]

this will get you in trouble lmao

also redream is the better dreamcast emu

[silk island]

...the mods barely exist

[sonic spruce]

I use flycast

[silk island]

e.g. as you saw last night

[graceful burrow]

truly

[silk island]

did that guy ever get talked to lol

[sonic spruce]

I didn’t say do it, I just said you can do it

Also I never said download roms illegally

[supple pawn]

I use an actual Dreamcast. I has 2. Love the things.

[harsh quartz]

Linux isos*

[silk island]

"I has 2"

11/10 english

[harsh quartz]

Bruh why the fuck we got so many people worried about proper English tonight

[silk island]

it was a joke lol

[lilac bear]

yeah we should be worried about Steam taking over the gaming market

[sonic spruce]

Play nice

[silk island]

calm down bud

[silk island]

again it was a joke, settle down 😂

[harsh quartz]

Your really beating a dead horse in continually using the joke

[lilac bear]

why the hell do I need a store front just to play a game

[silk island]

bc you do

deal with it, end of convo

[graceful burrow]

oh god this fucking argument again

[harsh quartz]

Tbf, you don’t, but the alternative is having to get stuff from 100 different websites

[lilac bear]

I want to start playing the games I own, immediately as I login

[graceful burrow]

transit emboldened like 15 people against him earlier with this argument

[silk island]

LMAO

@polar fern bro did you really make an argument against steam

[harsh quartz]

Yes but this literally every sentence transit ever says

[dusky jacinth]

We have Steam, we have Epic, we have Itch.io, we can still download games directly- I don't know what you're worried about, man.

[harsh quartz]

Are you implying you can’t do this with steam?

[lilac bear]

which I would only need to visit one time, to buy the game

[silk island]

bruh steam literally loads at startup.

[dusky jacinth]

If you want it to anyway.

[supple pawn]

Steam is the worst game store other than any other game store

[harsh quartz]

I’m not sure what the problem here is

[silk island]

we also have GOG.

[low rain]

Me when me when me

[dusky jacinth]

I don't see how, but okay.

[supple pawn]

Could be using Origin

[silk island]

EA Desktop*

Origin is dead, Jim.

[graceful burrow]

ea desktop is better than origin but neither is better than steam

[chrome vector]

https://tenor.com/view/pane-bread-steam-hot-gif-17793131

[dusky jacinth]

And EA's, and Ubisoft's, Rockstar's, and more.

[chrome vector]

You know what else Steam is in? Bread. Let us rejoice for our gluten savior, for it what binds us together 🙏 🍞

[lilac bear]

why do I need to waste resources that could be used for the game, and yet Steam decides it needs to still run in the background

[graceful burrow]

so crack your games

[dusky jacinth]

I think even Itch had their own launcher too, if I recall.

[harsh quartz]

How many resources is it really costing you to have steam in the background?

[silk island]

tf kinda argument is this, it needs to be open to track playtime and record achievements and so you can interact with your friends, you doofus

[dusky jacinth]

And how much is being wasted exactly?

[chrome vector]

At least one

[silk island]

YIKES

[supple pawn]

Plenty on a Core 2 Duo

[harsh quartz]

Probably more like treefity

[lilac bear]

exactly. see how bad it is

[silk island]

oh i know why

[lilac bear]

worse than Chrome

[silk island]

nah its not

just stop steam from defaulting to the store when you launch steam in its settings

and change it to library instead

[harsh quartz]

It’s taking like, what is that, 1.3ish gb?

[dusky jacinth]

Whoa... That adds up to about 1.28 gigs.

[chrome vector]

Gawd damn lochness monster

[silk island]

there we go. much more sane

[dusky jacinth]

Uuuhhh I would agree if only it wasn't actually running on Chrome in actuality, because it's an Electron app. Lol.

[silk island]

nah its not electron, its CEF

[gleaming harbor]

661mb for me
i cant show the image cause i do not have nitro boost or a subsciption

[dusky jacinth]

What's the difference?

[harsh quartz]

Even 1.3gb isn’t really that much in a modern gaming rig

[silk island]

cef is significantly more optimized and barebones than electron, in that it doesn't embed Node.js or anything, its literally just Chromium

[harsh quartz]

Free embed perms moment

[graceful burrow]

not that bad

[dusky jacinth]

Ah, so lighter then. Interesting.

[silk island]

yes but steam uses an ancient version of Chromium

[lilac bear]

which is a lot, considering Windows itself uses like 8GB

[silk island]

i think version 86?

[supple pawn]

Maybe Steam should include a new feature in one of their updates to have a kind of 'light mode' where it only runs the bare minimum in the background?

[silk island]

so its missing like 25+ versions of optimizations and stuff that Chromium has done

[harsh quartz]

What windows are you using that uses 8gb?

[near nymph]

what's the use of a teller if they can't count my brief case full of cash?

[dusky jacinth]

What are you even running in the background then??

[harsh quartz]

This is dumb as fuck

[supple pawn]

About 20 chrome tabs with people holding hands more than likely

[silk island]

with most apps closed aside from radeon software, windows is using 5.6GB for me at idle

[chrome vector]

What in the ever loving fuck is this absolute bullshit? That would be the day I cancel my account with them. A cashless society is a welcome mat to a tyrannical society.

[silk island]

well, 5.3 GB technically

[lilac bear]

anyway, point is that Tim Sweeney is right
Steam is a greedy company that wants to force us to use their stupid service

[dusky jacinth]

Uuuhh so is Epic?

[silk island]

okay no, no they don't

[gleaming harbor]

i want to use chrome but
=eats my ram 16gb like a foodie
=no adblock maybe
firefox is like privacy optimized fror me

[silk island]

you are so ill informed on this its insane, i like EGS but even i know that Tim Sweeney is an idiot when it comes to judging Steam

[dusky jacinth]

And EA, and Ubisoft, and all the rest of the big companies?

[harsh quartz]

This is just capitalism my guy, steam is the least of the evils, idk what you expect tbh

[near nymph]

The point of me paying for a bank account is for branch services. ATMs aren't reliable enough. Had them eat $500 of my deposit.

Like where tf am I supposed to do if I need to deposit like $20,000 in cash?

[supple pawn]

The fuck kind of argument is that? Literally every company is doing anything they can to get people to use their service, that's literally how businesses work?

[harsh quartz]

Wait your PAYING for that account?

[dusky jacinth]

Like... They're all major game devs. What did you expect?
They work as a business, that's the whole point.

[silk island]

Exactly

companies want your business, and Steam has been in the industry since 2003

[proud chasm]

I need a list of the best sites for pre-built gaming desktops! 🙂

[near nymph]

Banks with branches require payment or... Hold a stupid amount of cash with the bank

[supple pawn]

God damn Microsoft running shit in the background constantly making people use their shitty service to run their Windows PC

[silk island]

They have had 20 years to build their marketshare

[dusky jacinth]

Valve is more respectable, sure, but that doesn't change the fact they're huge and still need to keep up their profits somehow.

[gleaming harbor]

is ibuypower a stupid brand for prebuilt pc

[silk island]

valve is highly profitable

[chrome vector]

That's 100% why I would cancel my account with them. You should, don't let them get away with this shit. Go open an account with another another bank, go in to them, cancel & transfer, and specifically tell them why you are cancelling

[harsh quartz]

The funniest part of this is that you say steam is forcing it’s users, and it’s not, whereas epic was literally forcing people to use epic by buying the rights the new games and releasing them only on epic for extremely long periods of time

[silk island]

i don't think they've ever operated at a loss in the past 10+ years

[proud chasm]

my friend has one. it's seems to be good

[silk island]

but i don't know for sure bc i don't know their financial records

[dusky jacinth]

Yeah, which is no wonder why Epic had tried competing so hard with them. They want in on the same thing where they can.

[silk island]

they're a private company so they don't have to disclose how much they earn

[lilac bear]

it's not like I said Epic was good either
all stores are stupid

[supple pawn]

Gosh damn gas stations forcing people to use their services to drive THEIR OWN CARS!!!1!

[harsh quartz]

Not all of them, my bank only required 50$ in a savings account and I use their free checking account and I can leave that one with like 1$ in if, with no fees for either of them

[silk island]

so, what, you wanna be a caveperson and go back to using optical disc drives to install games at slow as fuck speeds?

[harsh quartz]

Yes but like I said, steam is probably the least evil corporation I have ever seen, of all the ones to pick I would happily take that one